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Wilmer Valderrama
It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddie Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former that 70s show castmate Topher Grace stops by the speakeasy for a two part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times.
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Freddie Rodriguez
We were still in that place of like what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time.
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Wilmer Valderrama
Listen to Dos amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
What's up Frederation? It's Freddie Prinze Jr. And wrestling with Freddy is back and we're going all in on WrestleMania 41. From the unpredictable to jaw dropping finishes, this year's mania might have just changed everything. By the way, almost all the matches that we saw looked like real fights. I thought like they were like, yo, we're going hard today, tomorrow we're going to hurt, but we're going hard today because it was like beast mode times 10 out there. Listen to this episode of Wrestling with Freddie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Michael Kasson
I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm Joined by Angeli Su, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.
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Wilmer Valderrama
What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There's so many out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content.
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Freddie Rodriguez
The term that we always hear from.
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Wilmer Valderrama
Our audience is that they feel seen.
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Michael Kasson
Listen to Good company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. You got basketball coming up tonight. Bucks and the Pacers, Pistons, Nicks, Magic, Celtics, Clippers and the Nuggets. I would say there was basketball last night, but maybe a reasonable facsimile. Cavaliers blow out the Miami Heat Boy, so much for Heat culture. This is one of the biggest bl I. You know, even by saying it's a blowout that's downgrading this. The Cavaliers beat the Heat 138 to 83. They completed a first round sweep, the 55 point win, fourth largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history. Cleveland also outscored the Heat by a combined 122 points. That's the largest point differential in a playoff series in NBA history. How about a round of applause for the Miami Heat?
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Dan Patrick
We need a word that's bigger than blowout.
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Michael Kasson
I don't know if you can say those words on on radio, but at some point you have to go, we're not going to win this. We probably can't even make it respectable. But when I saw that it was 43 to 17, I go, okay, I'm gonna guess the Cavaliers are probably going to move on. Just a guess, but I think they're going to be able to move on from the Miami Heat and Heat culture. The Miami Heat are sort of like the St. Louis Cardinals. They're always there. Feels like they're always competitive. They'll like dip in and be in a World Series or win one, but they're always playoff worthy playoff caliber. And then all of a sudden Jimmy Butler wants out and now it's Tyler Hero Bam Adebayo's team. And they went south quickly. But let's not lose sight of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They got the defensive player of the year and they got the coach of the year. They've been a great surprise that they took that next step just like OKC did. That that's what you want to see with these teams are going to compete for a title. What do you do the following year when everybody expects you to be great? OKC had the best record in basketball, look at what the Cavaliers were able to do in the shadow of the Boston Celtics. But last night, I know we'll focus on the Heat. That was embarrassing. But what the Cavs have done throughout the series, they did what they were supposed to do. Yes. Todd, when it's 72:33 at halftime and you're in the locker room, is it okay to take a peek at the travel agent or to kind of figure out where you might want to go with the family on vacation? You know, it's false you to catch.
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Freddie Rodriguez
You doing that, but maybe in for.
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Michael Kasson
A second, you're in the corner. They're just kind of looking at travelocity. I don't know. The Miami Heat have made the playoffs 26 times in the last 32 seasons. It's a given. But all of a sudden, you're looking at the Miami Heat differently. That used to be a destination member players would always talk about. They wanted to go Miami. Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami. And a lot of these players are like, yeah, that's where I want to go. And I don't know if that's going to be the case moving forward here. Heat culture. Yes. Yes, Marvin. But the thing is, they're still in Miami. They are. They are. You can visit. You don't have to go there. It's kind of like Atlanta. NBA players love visiting Atlanta. Yeah. Just not living there. Yeah, well, they might love living there, and it's not playing there. Yes, Paulie, you're right.
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Dan Patrick
There was a time where both lifestyle and team the Heat were like a one seed for free agents.
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Michael Kasson
Yeah. But they got roughed up, and now the Cleveland Cavaliers will move on. Cleveland has Boston next? No, no, Cleveland has. Well, we don't know what's going to happen in the rest of the east here. So Magic and the Celtics and the Pistons and the Knicks. So they would get the Pacers, the Cavs would get the Pacers and the Knicks and the Celtics. So that's good. That'll be fun. I'm telling you, the Pacers, they can score. They're dangerous. Now, I know they're going against a Milwaukee team that's banged up, but don't sleep on the Pacers, you know, beating Cleveland. I watch enough of them to know that they are. They probably love the fact that nobody talks about them at all. Rick Carlisle probably loves that. It's like, all right, don't let him. We don't need it. No headlines here. Nothing to see here. You know you want to. Hey, Caitlin Clark's In Indianapolis, you know, come and see Caitlin Clark. Don't worry about us. Pistons in the Knicks. Let's see, what else do we have? Here's the 49ers extended George Kittle, and that just happened. So now he is the highest paid tight end in the game. Well, I don't think you're bringing back George Kittle if you're not going to bring back or pay Brock Purdy that kind of money. Now of course they're bringing back Brock Purdy. The question is how much are they going to spend? Now I would have thought you would have was signed Brock Pie and then George kd. But they've gone the other way around here with George, you know, because now they can say to Brock, well, we gave George, you know, a lot of this money. Like we don't have that much left over. Would you play for $47 million a year? And I still go back to what I said about Brock Pie. If he was drafted where Mac Jones was, I don't think anybody would have a problem with paying him $50 million. It's just in our mind we're going, he was Mr. Irrelevant. Even if he's like taken the round before that final round, we might look at him a little bit differently. But the fact that you're Mr. Irrelevant, well, how good can he be? And George Kittle, I think it was a fifth round draft pick. You know, you get these guys. And that leads us to Shador Sanders because, yes, everybody still has some kind of angle on this. There's a crusade here for Shador Sanders. You know, this should not be lumped in with Colin Kaepernick. Completely different. But you're getting analysts or host who are saying, oh, you know, we. Kaepernick was blackballed. I don't think Shador Sanders was. Although Boomer Assassin did say on his radio show that owners were told to take him off their draft boards, told their people to take him off their draft boards. Okay, I don't think that's collusion, but, you know, it, it feels like people are trying to make this more than maybe you just had somebody who was not as good as we thought. Maybe you had those doing mock drafts who didn't do a good job on this. They basically whiffed on it. And they took Dion's word that his son was great. And Albert Brer, the Monday morning quarterback is going to join us coming up. And, you know, he had some interesting things to say and he said, you know, let's just have an honest conversation about Shador Sanders. And he said it starts with the team's evaluations of Dion's son Shador as a player. Tuesday before the draft, Albert Brear and the Monday morning quarterback said that it wasn't easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado quarterback as a first round talent. He's not a great athlete, didn't show great arm talent, bad habits of taking unnecessary sacks, bailing out of the back of the pocket, had trouble playing on time in general, did things off schedule and they weren't going to translate to the NFL. Also, he did not take blame when asked about interceptions when he was interviewed by some teams. Okay, but did we think he was going to drop to the fifth? If we knew all of this, then why were we still banging the drum that he should be a top 10 pick, 15 pick, first round pick, Steelers at 21. I mean, it was right there in front of us, wasn't it? It's the same thing with Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel, everything that was going on with him was right in front of us. It felt like we didn't want to ruin the story. Like the story was great. Johnny Manziel. And then if you realize, guy didn't love football. I think he was great at football. He cared about being a star, didn't put in the time stuff that went on at Texas A and M. Thank God he had Mike Evans as, you know, his wide receiver, you know, so it was right there. We sometimes have wishful reporting and I don't know if people wished that Chador Sanders was going in the first round, but we certainly like the prospect of could he go to the Steelers? What's Dion's relationship with Mike Tomlin? What about the Rams? Would the Rams go up and get him? Are the Giants going to go back into the first. You know, so we created all these scenarios and really, I think Shedor Sanders needed somebody who was going to be honest with him. I think his son, or being the son of Dion, you know, there is entitlement there. I think you're. It's your team. You're able to do what you want. You're the quarterback. But are you as good as you think you are? Like, you can tell us and your dad can tell us. I just think that they probably needed somebody in their camp to say, I'm going to be honest with you here because you have a lot of yes men. If you're around celebrities, you're around actors, musicians, there's a lot of people tell you what you want to hear, but you want to hear what is going to make you better, what is going to keep you grounded. He doesn't have an agent. And that agent might have been honest with Shador and just said, anna, I don't want to be a buzzkill, but I'm not hearing good things about this or this or this. Hey, we gotta be ready for this. Like, that's what an agent does. I'm sure there are advisors there, but Dion, when Dion was with us at the super bowl, certainly felt like he was the battering ram. He was. He was the Trojan horse. He was. He was going in, and he was going to tell teams, don't draft. My son talked about the Cleveland Browns not wanting his son to go there. But I think if somebody would have been or should have been honest, then maybe he wouldn't have suffered a painful lesson now. He would have gotten humbled, but he would at least been prepared. And then that's when you take the. The initiative. That's where you go, hey, I got things that I'm working on and will continue to work on. And I realize I'm not a finished product. I'm ready to go. Whatever Cleveland wants me to do, I'll do. I want to be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Like, at least if you push it forward and not be defensive or blame it on, you know, scouts or people who didn't like Dion, Whatever. Whatever somebody's initiative is, I think just being honest, that's sometimes what you want to. There are times I don't want to hear things, but I'll hear things that I know that, you know. Paulie will say, hey, don't want to be a buzzkill, but. And then he'll tell me something like, all right, I gotta eat that. This is what Shador, I think, needed. Because the truth is the best advice of all. In a situation like this, and you get caught up in this, you're, like, being told, you know, a lot of sycophants out there, they're going to tell you what you want to hear, man. You're great, man. You get those Giants cleats, man. You're going to the Giants. You know, you and Malik, neighbors. You're going to be here. It's you, man. I mean, that's why you have guys who watch Entourage. You know, when you see Entourage, they're telling Vinnie Chase whatever he wants to hear. That's what this is Dion. And maybe. Maybe he had tough love for him and told him, hey, you gotta stop doing this. Hey, you got to be in the moment. Hey, you have to listen to these people. Hey, you got to be prepared. I mean, I would think Dion would do that, but it certainly didn't feel like Shador Sanders went into those interviews trying to impress you. It's almost as if he came into those interviews to say, all right, you need to impress me. What do you got? And it doesn't work that way.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Paul, it does feel a bit like a confluence of things. The first athletes of the NIL era who are making millions in college come in differently, with a different tone, driving whatever cars are driving. And maybe they don't play the game like they used to, but it seems like a couple of things happened the past 24 hours. I don't know who said it the other day, but some teams never even looked at Shadore Sanders because they didn't expect him to fall. So that takes a bunch of teams out that might have drafted him. Then boomer size and said a few owners told their people, don't take them under any circumstances. That takes out a couple more teams. Now you're running out of possible landing spots where it doesn't really matter how many rounds you go. If those teams passed on you, they're not going to come back. Like a couple things had to happen for this to happen.
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Michael Kasson
Yeah, but I still go back to the Raiders. I mean, Tom Brady's known this kid for a long time, but. And he drafted a quarterback later on, so you. You can't go in it and go, hey, where's. Where's our bargain in the draft? If Tom. So when you say, oh, you know, this is collusion. Why did Tom Brady pass on him? And they drafted a quarterback late in the draft. That's what I don't understand. Because Tom has been around Shador Sanders and Dion had him mentor his son, and they bypassed him a few times, I think. And I don't have confirmation on this, but I'm trying to get this is there were a couple of teams that just didn't view him as a starter, but did view him as a quarterback in the NFL. And there's a big difference in that because a lot of times you'll get the quarterback in the first round, but you don't get the quarterback until, like, the fourth or fifth round. Now, you know, Jalen Hurts was a second round pick, but, you know, if you look back on some of these drafts, a lot of times you don't get the second round, you know, draft pick at that position because you're either good enough to be in the first round or you're going to be later on because you're a backup quarterback. Now, some of these guys will take snaps as a starter this year. I truly believe there could be three or four of these quarterbacks who were taken later who will play this year in the NFL. But that doesn't mean they're first round, you know, talents. That doesn't mean there's a franchise quarterback, a starting quarterback. And I think that's what happened with Shador Sanders. He was a really good college quarterback. He got by with doing some things that he needed to really clean up on. And these are things that I told you about with arm strength, line of scrimmage, speeding things up, you know, being, you know, having that clock in your head, being. And this is what is told to me by two scouts and helped out by having Travis Hunter as well, held onto the ball too long. Didn't take blame when things went bad. But then I had one scout who said to me last night, his teammates loved him. Loved him. They like, they, they, his energy, everything about it. And I'm like, like there's a, there's just such a, a fractured, mixed message here. That's what I'm still trying to figure this out. But I do think, as I talked to a source last night, he just not viewed as a starting quarterback, a franchise quarterback was the word. But that's why he, he drifted because he's a backup quarterback in some people's eyes. And I think, you know, Cleveland going back in to get him, that felt like that was an owner doing Dion a solid there and his son, it really felt that way, whether that's true or not. And I think Cleveland was the right place for him. I really do. I think Shador Sanders will eventually be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now, I don't know if he's great, but I still think that situation. And they owe $46 million to Deshaun Watson this year and next year. Congratulations. All right, let me take a break. Getting long winded here. Let's see. Poll question. I have that for you coming up. Yes, Paul?
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Dan Patrick
I just keep thinking about the Browns watching Baker Mayfield throw for 40 touchdowns.
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Michael Kasson
Yeah. Yeah. All right, we'll take a break. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
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Michael Kasson
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Freddie Rodriguez
And I'm Rich Davis.
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Michael Kasson
And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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Freddie Rodriguez
You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app.
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Michael Kasson
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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Freddie Rodriguez
We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.
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Michael Kasson
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends.
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Freddie Rodriguez
For the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?
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Michael Kasson
So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.
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Freddie Rodriguez
Say the most interactive show on Fox.
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Michael Kasson
Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kohvino Enrich wherever.
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Freddie Rodriguez
You get your podcasts.
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Michael Kasson
And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Wilmer Valderrama
It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddie Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former that 70s show castmate Topher Grace stops by the speakeasy for a two part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times.
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Freddie Rodriguez
We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time.
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Wilmer Valderrama
Listen to Dos amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
Wrestling fans all over the globe, It's Freddie Prinze Jr. And on wrestling with Freddie, we're breaking down every Damn moment from WrestleMania 41. Two nights. Non stop chaos, legends, surprises, emotions and some of the best wrestling we've seen coming from wwe. We've got takes, we've got questions, and we have a whole lot of love for what these Men and women pulled off at Mania. Tiffany Stratton. She earned her stripes at Wrestlemania. And I don't mean because she won. She bled for her art. And it always felt like to me, after the Attitude era, once a wrestler gets cut and you see real blood coming out of their mouth or real blood coming out of their head, the crowd kind of goes, hey, respect. And they kind of give you that nod, right?
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Freddie Rodriguez
You go, wow, every one of these.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
Guys is bleeding for the bro. That's literally like blood, sweat and tears.
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Freddie Rodriguez
That's all they got is blood.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
We're talking Cody, we're talking Ria, Roman, Seth, Tiffany. The future of the business is bright. And if you watched Mania and you're still buzzing, or if you missed it and want to know what went down, we gotcha. Listen to this episode of Wrestling with Freddie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Michael Kasson
And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015.
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Dan Patrick
NBA champion on the new limited podcast series Dub dynasty. It's been 10 years since their shocking run to a championship.
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Michael Kasson
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Dan Patrick
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
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Freddie Rodriguez
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Narrator
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Michael Kasson
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Freddie Rodriguez
Oh, my God.
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Michael Kasson
Poll question from hour one, Seton. And then what are we pondering for hour two? We've been taking many suggestions on if the Heat didn't quit last night. What exactly did they do? Right now, my favorite is coming from a fellow here who said they strategically lacked effort. Okay, that would be tanking. Hmm. Yeah, that could be. Utah Jazz did that this year. Strategically lacked effort. Yes, they did. But the Cavs blew out the Heat by 55 points. So that's the fourth largest margin of victory in a playoff game in NBA history. They also outscored the Heat by 122 points, the largest point differential in a playoff series in NBA history. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Here comes at what Stat of the day. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. Official trading cards to the Dan Patrick Show. Now, I didn't expect this kind of blowout, but I did expect Cleveland to not have any issues with the Miami Heat. You know, keep in mind, Miami was a play in team. They had 37 wins. Cleveland had 64 wins. Cleveland's a really good team. Everybody's waiting to see how they're going to do in the playoffs this next matchup here against Indiana. You know, people are going to have some trepidation there before they. I mean, they're doing that with OKC right now. We've seen it with the Celtics. Now we're waiting to see Cavaliers on that level, OKC on that level. I think that's what everybody's sort of waiting for here in the postseason. Bucks and the Pacers coming up tonight. Pistons, Knicks, Magic, Celtics, Clippers and the Nuggets. Here was something that kind of got lost a little bit, I think, with the post draft coverage. And I don't know if you're aware of this, but you should be. Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred said he discussed Pete Rose with President Trump at a meeting two weeks ago. The commissioner plans to rule on a request to end the sports permanent ban of Pete Rose, who died in September. Speaking yesterday to the Associated Press, the commissioner said he and the president discussed several issues, including concerns over how immigration policies could impact players from Cuba, Venezuela and other foreign countries. The commissioner is considering a petition to have Rose posthumously removed from baseball's permanently ineligible list. The petition was filed in January. And we have talked about this many, many times. And I wondered, would he get in? And I was saying all along that if he got in, it would be posthumously that the commissioner was not going to let Pete Rose go up there and give a speech. If anybody was going to do it, it'd be somebody in Pete's family after Peter died. But this just gets him back on the ballot. If they want to do that, fine, because people look at it as a lifetime ban. This is a permanent ban. So his lifetime. It's over, but he's still banned. That's why the permanent part of this is the key part of this. If this was a lifetime ban, well, his life has ended. Now. If you want to vote on this, you want to put him on the ballot. But the. The president's involved in this, and don't underestimate that, because the number of people who would love to have Pete in the hall of Fame, as opposed to those who would oppose this, I would say would be a pretty wide margin. Those in favor of Pete Rose. And I know we're, you know, we're shoulder deep in gambling here. And now moving forward, do we take away the permanent label, that word? Because If I'm the 1919 White Sox or Shoeless Joe Jackson, all of a sudden I go, hold on, hold on here. If you're a relative of Shoeless Joe Jackson, do you say, well, wait a minute here. You know, we had a permanent ban. You know, should it be a lifetime ban? Our life is over. Can somebody kind of pick up the baton here and get them into the Baseball hall of Fame? But that's going on right now. And could I see a scenario where the commissioner puts Pete or allows Pete to be eligible. Eligible for the ballot. Now, does he have a better chance, like the Veterans committee, are they going to look favorably to Pete? All the years that he hijacked Cooperstown? You know, I'd like to know. You know, I'd like to get a consensus of how that's going to go with the Veterans Committee, because there are a lot of players who were not in Pete's corner because Pete never showed any contrition. He never really apologized. But that's. That's what made Pete great. You know, Lance Armstrong, he never apologized. Bonds never apologized. Clemens never. Like, that's what made them great. They needed to have that. You know, I didn't do anything wrong. You did. And Pete. Look, when he came on my radio show years ago and said that he bet on the Reds to win every game, and then people go, hey, well, that's what you want. Well, you can still manipulate the lineup. I mean, no, you can't bet on your team. But people, I think, thought that, well, at least he's not betting against his team that we know of. Do you think Pete would actually say, you know, I bet against my team a few times because you want to win your bets. You don't. You don't care. And would I think Pete would put himself in a position like that? Yes, I would, because he was not a good gambler. But I think that this is probably headed towards Pete being eligible for the ballot? I do. I think that's where we're headed. Because when you meet with the president, the president wants this to happen. The president gets to take a victory Lap. But he's also saying to the commissioner, hey, I can affect some of these other things that you're dealing with. You help me here, I'll help you here. And I truly think that's what's going to happen. I. I think this commissioner will put him on the ballot, and then he can wipe his hands clean of this. He can say, all right, you know, I listened to the president. We put him on the ballot, and I'm going to let the Veterans committee decide. Now, would he be on the regular ballot or would he be on the veterans Committee since he hasn't been on the regular baseball ballot? I would think you would. You should go through that process with Pete before you get to the Veterans Committee. Does it say anything about that? Paulie, we're checking.
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Dan Patrick
Back in 1991, the hall of Fame's board of directors said anyone on the permanently ineligible list cannot be considered for the Hall. So that's why he was never on the ballot. We're checking what ballot he would be.
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Michael Kasson
On because if you just say we're going to change it to a lifetime ban. Okay, you know the semantics of that. Because a permanent ban, it doesn't matter. Hey, you died, and you're posthumously going to be on the ballot. Now, that. That can't happen.
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Dan Patrick
If Rose is reinstated, it doesn't mean he would be automatically on the hall of Fame ballot. He would first have to be nominated by the Hall's Historical Overview Committee, which is the Baseball Writers Association. It's a small group. And then he would end up on the ballot. So he has to be voted to be on the ballot, to be on the ballot.
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Michael Kasson
All right. Yeah. I would just keep an eye out, because I think that's what's going to happen. I think this commissioner is probably going to decide to go, all right, let's just be done with this. Yeah, Paul.
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Dan Patrick
And the commissioner can really be done for it. If he reinstates Rose or. And then he doesn't make the ballot, it's not his decision to not vote him. It'd be a separate committee. He would have nothing to do with it.
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Michael Kasson
Well, gets phone calls. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback, had a lot of things, interesting things about Shador Sanders. Just to recap, kind of what we talked about. First hour. I just wonder if Shador Sanders, Deion Sanders, had that guy in the room, in their inner circle, who was the guy who would tell you what you didn't want to hear, and he didn't have an agent. And sometimes that agent's job is to Protect you from you. I remember I thought that I was ready for a job and my agent at the time said, look, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know if you're ready for this. And, you know, your first thought is I should get another agent. Like I need to have somebody tell me what I want to hear. But he was telling me the truth. And, you know, while he humbles you and you're like, damn, okay, I had somebody who was honest with me. I don't know if Shador had that. If your dad is your biggest cheerleader and talking to these teams, maybe guiding these teams to your son or away from your son. Are you getting that honest truth of you didn't interview well? You don't come off as a great team player. You seem like you have other interest. You were distracted. It felt like maybe you wanted the teams to try to tell you why they wanted you instead of why you wanted to play for them. Like, you need to hear that. And I think, would that have helped him? Well, it can help him moving forward, but it could have helped him to at least understand what was going on in the draft because as we pointed out last hour, you don't get many second round quarterbacks because teams will use a quarterback in the first round, but second round, now you got to do team needs. If I didn't draft you in the first round, I'm probably not going to take you until the fourth round, fifth round. The difference is that's a franchise quarterback, that's a backup quarterback. And I believe since my, you know, source said I didn't have a first round grade for him, that meant that maybe teams viewed him as a backup or maybe teams didn't even think he was going to be there or for whatever reason. If it's true that owners, you know, told their staff to take him off their draft board for whatever, like what happened that all of a sudden you're telling your, your scouting team, take him off our draft board? Are you following along with everybody else? Like, did you hear the story? Did you hear the story? Do you know what he did? Oh, but we'll talk to Albert Brer about that coming up. Jake in San Diego leads us off this hour. Hi, Jake. What's on your mind today? Hey, first time, long time. My five day old son is seven pounds and three ounces. Just two questions. Wondering one, if you had any advice for me for what to do with this little thing and secondly, if Aaron never doesn't sign with the Steelers, if Jordan love God forbid something happens to him that he would sign with the packers in the middle of the season. Oh, my God. I don't, I don't want to play the, if somebody gets hurt hypothetical around the league. Now, I did mention if Matthew Stafford, let's say, would get banged up, would you bring him in? Like there, there's certain situations where maybe that would happen, but I, I don't see that happening. Where Green Bay goes, do we want to go back into this? And I would say no, but it does feel like the, the Steelers, given what's happened or what happened in the draft, that they're going, you know, hey, we'll take the kid out of Ohio State. But that's kind of a. Yeah, you know, who knows which? I do like the draft pick. I mean, he did win a national championship, played for two different schools. I think he's athletic. I think he grew up a Steeler fan and, you know, probably thrilled to come in there and maybe he gets a chance. I think that's a really good pick. And here's the other thing. I already know what Mason Rudolph can do. Like, I already know if I'm the Steelers, like, okay, we got him. And yeah, he's our quarterback. Maybe not he's a backup, but, you know, you want to bring in Will Howard. I think it's a good pick. Not viewed as a starter. Maybe he can be a starter. And I think, you know, given what they have, you already know what your backup quarterbacks are all about. You're hoping for Rogers and then maybe, maybe you swing for the fences and you get a quarterback who can come in and maybe in two years he's playing. Yes, Mark. And I think Brock Purdy succeeding has given a lot of these late round draft picks hope. And now they can say, hey, I can beat Brock Purdy instead of the other really famous late round quarterback, which is Tom Brady. And you don't want to have that type of expectations. You know what? I could breed Brock Purdy if I get the opportunity. Yes, Todd, from a fan standpoint in Pittsburgh, if Aaron Rodgers does eventually become a Steelers, all forgiven and they're all immediately all in. And we love Aaron Rodgers or because this took so long, you think there's going to be bitterness. Well, I don't know if they have any other choice but to bring him in. I mean, you gotta back him. I don't, I don't know if there's anything else you can do. I mean, Mason Rudolph is not the answer and they can pretend that he is, but he's not you could have taken other quarterbacks in the draft. I just think they're getting Aaron Rodgers and praying that he stays healthy. But we thought that that would happen after the draft because I said at least what I was told is Aaron's not going to sign before the draft. He wants to make sure he wants to see what the Steelers do. Whether this is true or not. This is what I was told. Are they going to take a quarterback a little bit higher? Would they use a first round draft pick? Because we thought maybe Jackson Dart was going to go to the Steelers. Maybe Shador Sanders would would go there. I don't know if that would had an impact on Aaron Rodgers, but I think that you have to factor that in. If I'm Rogers, I'm like, I don't have to hurry. I can meet with the Steelers, I can talk to the Steelers and I just want to and he's probably just going to survey the landscape here. If somebody happens to get injured in training camp, he wants to win another super bowl, are you going to do that in Pittsburgh? And I think that's why he wanted Minnesota, because Minnesota is closer to winning a Super bowl than Pittsburgh.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Paulie and the Steelers spent most of their draft on the defense. Yes, running back, quarterback, then all defense and DK Metcalf in the off season, they're poised to plug in somebody.
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Michael Kasson
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apple.
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Freddie Rodriguez
We were still in that place of like what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time.
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Wilmer Valderrama
Listen to Dos amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
Wrestling fans all over the globe, It's Freddie Prinze Jr. And on wrestling with Freddie, we're breaking down every damn Moment from WrestleMania 41. Two nights. Non stop chaos, legends, surprises, emotions, and some of the best wrestling we've seen coming from wwe. We've got takes, we've got questions, and we have a whole lot of love for what these men, women pulled off at Mania. Tiffany Stratton, she earned her stripes at Wrestlemania and I don't mean because she won. She bled for her art. And it always felt like to me, after the Attitude era, once a wrestler gets cut and you see real blood coming out of their mouth or real blood coming out of their head, the crowd kind of goes, hey, respect. And they kind of give you that nod, right?
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Freddie Rodriguez
You go, wow, every one of these.
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Michael Kasson
Guys is bleeding, bro.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
That's literally like blood, sweat and tears.
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Freddie Rodriguez
It's all they got is blood.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
We're talking Cody, we're talking Rhea, Roman, Seth, Tiffany. The future of the business is bright. And if you watched Mania and you're still buzzing or if you missed it and want to know what went down, we got you. Listen to this episode of Wrestling with Freddy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Michael Kasson
And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015.
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Dan Patrick
NBA champion on the new limited podcast series Dub dynasty.
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Michael Kasson
It's been 10 years since their shocking.
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Dan Patrick
Run to a championship.
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Michael Kasson
We examine the controversial move that made it possible. It's never a great conversation as a player. When you hear that you're being benched for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio.
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Freddie Prinze Jr.
App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Freddie Rodriguez
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Narrator
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Michael Kasson
Oh my God.
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Freddie Rodriguez
Oh my God.
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Narrator
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Michael Kasson
Albert Breer, frequent contributor to the program, the Monday morning quarterback who joins us on the program. Let's start with the second pick in the draft. Let me do what everybody else has done and not really focus on Cam Ward going number one overall. Felt bad for him. It's like, oh yeah, that's great. Okay, now let's get to the interesting stuff. Grade the Cleveland Jacksonville trade swapping two to five.
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Freddie Rodriguez
So I, I would actually give Cleveland an A to be able to get what they got and we'll see what becomes of I think the two guys that got for him were Mason Graham and Quintean Judkins. We'll see what becomes the players they got from. But you know, I think that they were really in a position where they had to reset their roster a little and they're starting to feel the effects now of all those first round picks going out the window for DeSean Watson where they're aging in certain spots, they're aging a little bit on their offensive line, they've aged on their defensive line, they've aged a bit in their secondary, they aged at running back. And so like I like they had to find a way to reset their roster a little and this effectively does it now. You know, walking away from, you know, one of the two true blue chip players in this draft I'm sure wasn't easy, you know, but they wind up with Mason Graham and Judkins and they'll have a another first round pick next year and depending on how good Jacksonville is, that could wind up being a high first round draft pick. We'll see. So I just think, you know, if you want to talk about the logic behind it, it's pretty easy. Easy to see what the Browns logic was. I would give the I give the Jaguars a B plus and here's why I love Travis Hunter as a player. I think on the high end you're going to get a truly unique like just a unicorn, you know, like, and I know that's a little redundant, right? A unique unicorn. But like you're getting one of these guys that like there's never really been one of these before. If he hits on all cylinders, but even if he doesn't, you have a lot of cracks at getting it right because there's so many different things that you can do with them. So I love that for them. My question is are they in that position yet where they should be taking this sort of swing? In other words, like Liam Cohen, James Gladstone came from the Rams where they were known for taking these sorts of swings, but when they took these sort of swings they were on veteran players and it was a team and it was with a team that was in position to win right now. And so the question is, do the Jaguars now think they're closer than maybe the general public does to truly competing to maybe knocking off the Texans in the AFC south, to being a contender? And you know, obviously a lot of that's going to come down to what Liam Cohen gets out of Trevor Lawrence. But maybe they think that, you know, so if you're Jacksonville and you think you're closer than the general public does, then this move makes a ton of sense because you know, Travis Hunter might be a player that can put you over the top and then, you know, maybe that pick next year is in the 20s rather than being in the top 10. So, so, so we'll see on that.
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Michael Kasson
When did you realize that Chidor was falling?
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Freddie Rodriguez
February. I know that sounds crazy. February. I like, I don't know. I was like everybody else in December and January thinking okay, is it going to be Cam or should door? You know, being the first quarterback off the board. The more people I talked to when I started to do my research on the draft class, which really I try to do it all year but it really kind of gets going once the season ends. The more people I talked to said this, he's just not a first round talent. Now people would have said the same thing about Bo Nix the year before. And I think I said this to you guys. I said there's a bunch of different places. Like I would say he could go third or 33rd. And the reason I said that is because I didn't think he was going in the first round, you know. And you really, what I meant by that was like maybe he finds the fit the way that Bo Nix did. And no one's going to argue with where Bonix went now because of the rookie year he had. And there was a team that fit him perfectly. He found that team, they found him and you know, now they live happily ever after. But absent finding that team, he wasn't a good enough physical prospect to go in the first round. He wasn't what you normally see in a first round quarterback. And a lot of people were just whistling by the graveyard on that. But it was what it was all along. And now here's the other part of it Dan is if he's not a first round pick and he's got to go find his fit, does it make any sense for him to be thinning the herd? It was effectively is what they were doing, you know, over the last couple of months the way they were handling some of their meetings. And so, you know, I think that that was a mistake. I think another piece of it is, you know, how you view your backup and what you expect from your backup and how most coaches want their backup to blend in with the furniture. And, you know, most coaches would say, you know, you, you know, you put two, two quarterbacks in front of them, one's a celebrity, one's an anonymous player, and you say it's going to be the second or third quarterback in your roster. Most coaches will say, give me the anonymous guy. You know, it's just the way it is. So I think there were a number of factors on why he fell, but I'd say first round, second rounds, about talent, performance, and then after that it's about everything else.
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Michael Kasson
Yeah. And that's what I brought up because my source said that didn't have a first round grade. Yeah. And there aren't a lot of quarterbacks who were taken in the second round because you're either first round worthy or you're backup worthy. And that's where you get into the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh round. And I think that's what happened with Shador, is he wasn't Jackson darter Cam Ward, but he wasn't going to be Jalen Hurts kind of lingering there in the second round. He was going to be viewed as a guy who was probably going to be a backup quarterback. But did the media get duped here? Because if you consider Mel Kuiper, you know, is still shouting from the mountaintops. There are a lot of people who had Shador in the first round and, and that, that became a story because now everybody's shocked that he dropped as far as he did, but it almost felt like the media in general was eating what Dion was serving. Yeah.
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Freddie Rodriguez
And it was good for business too, right?
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Michael Kasson
Yeah.
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Freddie Rodriguez
Like Shador is a 5th round pick, isn't. I mean, he's, you know, at that point he's case keenum, which is a highly productive, good college quarterback who's not going to be a high draft pick, you know, so, I mean, I would say this is sort of a symbiotic thing, you know, where, you know, Shador's camp probably felt like it was good for him to be presented as if he was going to be a top five, top ten pick. And like that, that was a lock. Like they felt like that was good for them. Now it wound up being bad for them, you know, because I think it affected a lot of other things. But that was also good for business in the media. Wouldn't you say, Dan? I mean, well, the draft didn't have a lot of sex appeal, right? Like this, let's call it what it is. Like, this was a draft that was heavy on linemen, that didn't have very many blue chip guys. Travis Hunter is really interesting, but like are, is, is Abdul Carter as good as he is? Is he drive driving ratings? No. The fourth picks an offensive tackle. The, you know, the, the, the, the fifth picks a defensive tackle, the seventh pick is an offensive tackle and ninth picks an offensive tackle. Like, something's got to drive the boat here, you know, and, and I think it was a part of. It is, it's good for business for all of us. I mean, I, I'm, I'm not exempt from it either. I wrote a lot about Chador and I talked a lot about Chidor and I went on TV a lot about Chidor over the last two months. It was good for business that way.
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Michael Kasson
Talking Albert Breer, the Monday morning quarterback, help me understand the Steelers quarterback room right now.
- [51:44]
Freddie Rodriguez
Yeah, so I, I think it's a pretty good tell that they feel good about where they stand with Aaron Rodgers right now. And I think Kirk Cousins would loom as a, as sort of a fallback option if Aaron Rodgers, if that doesn't play out the way that it does. But I think we should listen to what Aaron said too, which is, I've got some personal things that I'm trying to work out. And you wish he had said that at the beginning because it probably would have, you know, saved a lot of the noise from getting out there over the last couple months. But he did say it and I think we can all respect it and I'll respect like whatever he's going through in his personal life. And you know, I, I think in that case, like, you know, he's going through that in his personal life. Well, maybe it would make sense then that he would be waiting on signing with a team because, you know, the minute he signs with the Steelers, if he signs with the Steelers three weeks ago and says, okay, I'm going to handle his personal matter and then I'm going to show up, well, what does the narrative then become? Well, he's not here for the off season program. OTAs are starting. He's not here for that. The veteran minicamp, is it going to be a circus because of that? I mean, it, I could see where, you know, if he like again, taking it at face value, he's handling a personal matter here, I could see where it probably makes the most sense for everybody to take a step back a little bit and say, like, it just doesn't make sense for us to sign you right now because it's going to turn the volume up on everybody. And we don't need that right now. You don't need it? We don't need it. Let's just let sleeping dogs lie. And then, you know, I think as far as the Kirk Cousins thing goes, I mean, where we are right now with that, like, the Cleveland Browns, which are the most logical suitor, they have a full quarterback room right now. The Vikings just traded for Sam Howell. And I think under certain circumstances, the Vikings would have considered bringing Kirk back as a backup. And so, like, the Steelers can kind of sit here and say, okay, like, well, you know, if something goes wrong in the Aaron Rodgers situation, we could still revisit Kirk Cousins. So they've got a couple options out there for themselves. And, you know, then I, I know, you know, like, I, I don't see them going into season with Mason Rudolph as, as the starter, but at least they've got a guy they've got experience with there.
- [53:51]
Michael Kasson
What do you do if you're the NFL to the Atlanta Falcons when the phone numbers got out and your defensive coordinator son is videotaping him and his friends calling these. These jobs?
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Freddie Rodriguez
I mean, I don't know. You know, in some ways, I, like, I think we all did that. We all did stupid stuff when we were that age. So I hate to kill the kid. You know what I mean? Like, I probably would have thought it was hilarious when I was 20 years old, too. You know what I mean? Like, so, like, I have sympathy for Shador in this situation. I also, you know, like, I also see this as, like, this isn't a capital crime. Now there is a security issue, you know, so that's something the NFL has to clean up. How these things get out. There's a million different ways it can happen. That it was a burner phone, I think obviously points to. Okay, like, well, if he only had this phone over the week leading up to the draft, then it had to come from somewhere. And, you know, I think this is. If it did come from an NFL email, then the league office has to look inward, too, and how they're distributing those things and are they being a little careless about distributing them? I, you know, I think we have to be open to the idea that it's an honest mistake if you leave a tablet open and. Which is what they said, I think, right. Was an iPad. If you leave a tablet open and Your kid walks by it. I mean, you know, again, is that a capital crime? It's sloppy, but like, it's not a capital crime, you know, so it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a weird story. It's a weird thing. But, you know, I, I, like, there's just a huge part of me that looks at this and says, like, let's just all move on. This is so stupid. It doesn't. I mean, is in stable condition right now. I would say right after, after, after what happened on that phone call, the.
- [55:41]
Michael Kasson
Niners paid George Kittle.
- [55:43]
Freddie Rodriguez
Yeah.
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Michael Kasson
I didn't know if maybe they were going to do it in reverse order and pay Brock Purdy and then you pay George Kittle. But what do you make of the Niners making George Kittle the highest paid tight end?
- [55:56]
Freddie Rodriguez
Well, I think it's like sort of a acknowledgment of who he is as a player and what he's done for the organization and as a guy who's going to turn 32 years old in October, you know, we still trust you. You know, we still trust that you're going to do everything you need to do because it's going to get harder as you get older to get yourself ready to be one of the best tight ends in football. Now on paper, you know what this really is is it's a bump and it's, you're going to be on the team in 2026. Like, he knows he's going to be on the team this year. This essentially assures that he's going to be on the team in 2026. So he gets a nice pay raise. You're going to be on the team the next two years. Then after that, we'll see. It's trumpeted as a four year extension. It does not mean he's going to be on the team when he's 38 years old.
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Michael Kasson
Yeah.
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Freddie Rodriguez
So, you know, I think as much as anything else, this is sort of the gold watch deal. You know what I mean? Like, this is the deal where you say, we love you. You're going to be a part of our organization forever. You've got a legacy here. We're going to reward you one last time. We're going to give you the security of knowing you're going to be here for the next two years and we'll see after that.
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Michael Kasson
The Bill Belichick book where Robert Kraft is not even in the acknowledgments. What do you make of that? Exchange that he had with the Sunday morning, the CBS Morning show.
- [57:17]
Freddie Rodriguez
Well, I mean, was it Georgia Tech against Cumberland and the, Was that the 222 to nothing game?
- [57:23]
Michael Kasson
Right. Yeah.
- [57:24]
Freddie Rodriguez
Like, I would say that would be sort of the same matchup as CBS News against the people who are running Belichick's interview there. That makes sense.
- [57:36]
Michael Kasson
Well, okay, wait a minute.
- [57:38]
Freddie Rodriguez
Now.
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Michael Kasson
His girlfriend's job, I would think, is to troubleshoot. She heads up his pr. Yeah, you have to have. Let's go through the potential questions. You're going to get Bill, right? I'm going to ask you the questions and then we are going to cobble together an answer. Yeah, Bill, Bill seemed shocked. And then he also when the, you know, they followed up by asking, you.
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Freddie Rodriguez
Know, and if it is true, if it is true that the reason this got out and the reason they shot, that they, they shot her off camera is because it was non stop interrupting and there was a real problem for them. Well, that's not the way, like a professional in that situation acts. Like, if you have like a publicist or a PR person who's handling that for you, I mean, you know this as well as I do, Dan. You've sat down in these, like, sorts of interviews before. I mean, they're very, they're usually very professional. And if there is a PR person or a publicist there for the person who is, is being interviewed, that person's not interrupting. That person has an idea of everything that's going on with everybody there, in a lot of cases has a relationship with the network. You know what I mean? Like, so they're working through all of that.
- [58:48]
Michael Kasson
But Bill should have been prepared for that question. That's the thing.
- [58:52]
Freddie Rodriguez
Yeah. And that part of it is even.
- [58:56]
Michael Kasson
Him getting fired, Albert, he didn't even have an answer for that because they let him go. And he goes, mutual. Mutual.
- [59:03]
Freddie Rodriguez
Yeah, yeah. But that part of it, I'm not sure he would have answered that differently. Like, I, I, that felt, did that not feel to you like a little bit of knife twisting? Like, you know, with, with, with Kraft? Like, it just felt to me like I know what he doesn't want to hear here. So I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna twist the knife. That's what it felt like to me.
- [59:23]
Michael Kasson
Yeah.
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Freddie Rodriguez
I mean, and we know the guy knows how to hold a grudge. Right? I mean, so I, like, I, it, it felt to me like just watching it and knowing, and knowing Bill and having, you know, been around professionally around Bill for the last 20 years, like like, he generally doesn't say a lot of things by mistake. And that correct answer was like, basically like, yeah, I did it, and I meant to do it, and I did it for a reason.
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Michael Kasson
She just has to be better. If you're going to, if you're going to be his sounding board, you have to say to him, they're going to ask you these questions, Right. You know, you're preparing for a deposition.
- [60:05]
Freddie Rodriguez
Well, and if I'm, if I'm in the room, they're going to ask about me, Right?
- [60:08]
Michael Kasson
Well, I'm sure. But, you know, I, I, she could have been hands off from the standpoint of, this is a book about Bill and winning. This has nothing to do with her, their relationship, or North Carolina.
- [60:21]
Freddie Rodriguez
Right.
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Michael Kasson
But now, would I still ask because she's interrupting? I probably would have said, why don't you come over here and sit down with us? Because you're disrupting the interview. Either be in the interview or get out of the room.
- [60:37]
Freddie Rodriguez
Right. It also, it also sort of makes Bill look weak, doesn't it?
- [60:41]
Michael Kasson
Like, I just.
- [60:42]
Freddie Rodriguez
I mean, it does. Like, we can call it what it is. Like, if you're talking about, like, making him look good, that wasn't happening either. You know, like, let him answer the question.
- [60:51]
Michael Kasson
He's the most prepared coach we've ever had.
- [60:55]
Freddie Rodriguez
And, and you don't. And, like, you don't think he knew that could be asked? Of course he did.
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Michael Kasson
Of course he did.
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Freddie Rodriguez
I mean, like, if he's putting, if he's parking her 10ft from the camera, like, then he has to know, like, they're kind of. They could ask about that. And maybe they will, maybe they won't, but they could ask about that.
- [61:17]
Michael Kasson
So isn't it absurd that we're actually talking about this? If I would have said to you, hey, three years ago, hey, you know what's gonna happen with Bill? He's gonna meet this girl on a plane, and he's, he's not gonna get back in the NFL. He's gonna leave the Patriots and he's gonna coach at North Carolina, and we're gonna talk about how she's running this life.
- [61:38]
Freddie Rodriguez
Well, you look at it so interesting.
- [61:40]
Michael Kasson
And those pictures on the, on the beach where they're posing like, we had.
- [61:43]
Freddie Rodriguez
The, we had that. We had that thing like, Brady Kraft Belichick for all those years and everything else. And who's, I mean, like, who's the one that's, like, winning that again? I guess that's another Georgia Tech versus Cumberland. Right. Like, it's like, is. Brady is now a part owner of the Raiders. Was, was, you know, just part of hiring a head coach and a general manager. And, you know, the other two guys are sort of engaged in this.
- [62:07]
Michael Kasson
It's just, it is crazy.
- [62:10]
Freddie Rodriguez
It feels to me like the theater of the absurd. I mean, it just like if we can all be again, like if we can all be honest about this, it's like there's no way. There's no way. Five years ago, if you had told me that this is where we would be, you know, and five years ago is when Brady walked out the door. If you had told me, like, this would be the, this where, where we would be left five years later, I would have, I would have said, that sounds like a, that sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit. I mean, it's just unbelievable.
- [62:41]
Michael Kasson
Good to chat with you. We'll talk to you in the off season. Thank you again, Albert.
- [62:46]
Freddie Rodriguez
All right, thanks, Dan.
- [62:46]
Michael Kasson
That's Albert Brear. He is the Monday morning quarterback.
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- [63:20]
Wilmer Valderrama
It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddie Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilbur's friend and former that 70s show castmate Topher Grace stops by the speakeasy for a two part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times.
- [63:36]
Freddie Rodriguez
We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time.
- [63:44]
Wilmer Valderrama
Listen to Dos amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [63:50]
Freddie Prinze Jr.
What's up, Predaration? It's Freddy Prinze Jr. And wrestling with Freddie is back and we're going all in on WrestleMania 41. From the unpredictable to jaw dropping finishes, this year's mania might have just changed everything. By the way, almost all the matches that we saw looked like real fights. I thought like they were like, yo, we're going hard today. Tomorrow we're going to hurt, but we're going hard today because it was like beast mode times 10 out there. Listen to this episode of Wrestling with Freddie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
- [64:32]
Michael Kasson
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail.
- [64:37]
Freddie Rodriguez
But when Roger Caron picked up a.
- [64:38]
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from.
- [64:42]
Freddie Rodriguez
Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app.
- [64:48]
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [64:51]
Michael Kasson
I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Angeli Sud, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.
- [65:07]
Wilmer Valderrama
What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There's so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.
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Michael Kasson
Listen to Good company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.