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Dan Patrick
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Gilbert Arenas
Welcome to the youe versus you podcast. I'm Lex Borrero inviting you to go beyond the titles and the accolades of the world's most successful entertainers. Each week we take off the cape and get real about the inner battles, childhood stories and the moments that shaped our guests. Get inspired to become the best version of you. Listen to you versus you podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Lex Borrero
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Chris Mannix
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Hope you had a great weekend everybody. Gang's all here, ready to go. Hour 1 Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick show, the minister of humor, Fritzi, you got Seton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly and of course the back room guys. Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder, the best regular season team, the best postseason team. But the Pacers held on for dear life. They pushed it to seven games, but the Tyrese Halliburton injury was tough to overcome. We talked about it when he injured his calf and you'll see this, that, the calf injury and the possibility of an Achilles injury. We talked about that last week. Unfortunately, it came to fruition and you couldn't help but think of Kevin Durant when he got off to a hot start and then he blew out his Achilles a few years ago. But Tyrese Halliburton will remember an incredible postseason run. Also Shea, Gilgis, Alexander, not many. This is rarefied air when you put him in there with Michael and Shaq. When you're going to be the regular season MVP scoring champ, you're going to win an NBA title, finals mvp. And he did it in an effortless way. He did it in an old school way. Now I say old school because he doesn't rely on the three point shot. He'll beat you off the dribble. He's capable of scoring on three different levels, but he was efficiently brilliant in the NBA Finals. We'll get to your phone calls. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. 8773 DP Show Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle it DP Show Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated will join us from Oklahoma City. Gilbert Arenas, former NBA all Star, will join us. We'll talk about the Kevin Durant trade that happened yesterday. We have a play of the day poll question. Stat of the Day Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the D. Patrick show. And for over 40 years, Tire Rack has been helping you find the right tires on how and what and where you drive ship fast and free, backed by free road hazard protection. Convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. We saw that on display last week here in the man cave. Tirerack.com the way tire buying should be. All right, Seaton poll question for hour one is going to be what?
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Seton
Well, I've got something that could be considered a sign of the apocalypse or just very bad news for two people here. Okay, Paul and Todd have both submitted the same poll question.
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Chris Mannix
Ooh, man, what happened to Paul?
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Seton
It's Todd coming up or Is Paul going down? I can't really tell.
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Dan Patrick
Might be Paul going down.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. What's the possibility of both questions being good?
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Seton
That's for you to decide, Dan.
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Chris Mannix
Alrighty.
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Seton
The NBA Finals was memorable for. Dot, dot, dot. Well, let's see. Paul's options were the first title of this young OKC team, SGA cementing himself as a superstar. Pacers fight, Halliburton's injury or nothing?
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Chris Mannix
Or nothing.
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Seton
Yes. Todd's suggestions were Oklahoma City winning their first ever tit, SGA being named the mvp, Halliburton's injury, or Kevin Durant getting traded to this. From the Suns to the Rockets.
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Chris Mannix
With no local ties. I would say Tyrese Halliburton's injury, I think his playoff performance leading into the NBA Finals, and he gave them hope. SGA was, you know, brilliant, and he also had a, you know, a Game seven that we haven't had in a long time. You know, 29 and 12 assists. First player to reach those numbers in game seven of an NBA Finals. You have to go back to 1970, when Walt Frazier went for 36 and 19. I just think the injury with Halliburton because of all the big shots that he had leading into the Finals, that he gave them hope, and hope went down and didn't get back up last night. So I would say in 10 years from now, let's. Let's put it that way. How about we put a. A window on this ten years from now, when we look back on this year's NBA Finals, it's probably going to be Tyrese Halliburton will remember because of the injury, how they had played. They forced a game 7. OKC was the best team. But I think. I think what the Pacers did created more headline conversation than what Oklahoma City did. Yes, you can.
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Seton
I think how we remember this Finals is dependent on how both of these teams do the next three years. If. If we go right back to after. After this year, if next year we go back to some sort of, like, return cycle of, you know, Warriors, Lakers, Celtics, you know, whoever win, then I don't know what we're going to really remember from this one. But if the Pacers go on to be great or the Thunder go on to keep being great, it's going to shape how this one is remembered.
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Chris Mannix
But also keep in mind, Tyrese Halliburton will probably be out all next year, so, you know, his impact is going to be felt next year because he won't be able to play. Jason Tatum not able to play for the Celtics. Next year, probably not. So factor those in and how that shapes the east, because the east is really, really wide open now, and we don't even know if Giannis is going to stay in Milwaukee. Like all of a sudden, Orlando, the Cavaliers, obviously Garland's having toe surgery, but they would be the favorites. The Knicks, you know, once again would be in the, in the, in the conversation there. But if you don't have Tatum and you don't have Halliburton and those are the best players on the, on the best teams right now, east is wide open. That's where Giannis might go. Maybe can you help me out a little bit here? Can you give me something here in Milwaukee? But we'll talk to Chris Mannix about this, because I think Mannix gets the feeling that Giannis, if he's going anywhere, would end up in San Antonio. But Kevin Durant ending up with Houston, you know, that Cleveland was in this, I'm told, at the last minute, like there were teams going, hey, we know you got to trade him. What's it going to take? And I think the Knicks made another run at. Everybody was kind of like circling. It was. It was a open secret that Durant was going to be traded. And the question was, where's he going to be traded? And it was going to be this week because the draft is coming up on Wednesday night. But we'll talk about that. With Durant being traded and Houston, I thought did pretty well here. You can look at the draft picks. I don't look at the draft picks the way I used to because it just feels like. And we'll give you, I don't know how many second round picks you want. You want four, you want five? Go ahead, take. Take whatever you want. And Jalen Green, it's weird to be, what is he, 23? And he averaged, you know, over. I think he might have averaged 23 points a game. He didn't do well in the postseason. And I think there was concern with Houston that maybe he is not that number one guy. Phoenix Suns are a mess. They really are. And, and they, you know, it's not just one year. I mean, they've been consistent in being a mess because you get Bradley Beal. I can only warn these owners in GMs so often, if they're not going to listen to me, then it's on them. Get a new owner. Matt Dishbiah, former walk on at Michigan State and all of a sudden you start making decisions. You bring in Durant. You gave up a lot to get Durant Devin Booker. I don't. Are you building around Devin Booker? Like it feels like who is anybody going to pass the ball on that team? Bradley Beal, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. But when I saw it, I go, all right, Durant goes to Houston. I like the roster. Im A Udoka. The head coach just got a contract extension. It's a young team, but now you have a closer. Now you got a guy can go get you a bucket and that's going to make them extremely dangerous. It's a young team, aggressive team, good defensive team, and now you got a guy, crunch time, who can get you a bucket. Now, granted he's 37, but his game is not really predicated on jumping high or moving fast. It just feels like he gets to spots and he will kill you. But from the perspective of the Rockets, I like what they did because it's now, now they're trying to win a championship where Phoenix, Phoenix is going to have to take the wrecking ball. And I, I can't. You can't trade Bradley Beal. Imagine LeBron and Bradley Beal, the two guys who don't have no trade. So yeah, you got Bradley Beal and Devin Booker and Jalen Green and I don't know the, the ghost of Steve Nash there. Yes, Marvin.
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Dan Patrick
The crazy part is the Suns were in the finals in 2020.
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Chris Mannix
I know, I know how things change.
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Dan Patrick
So fast with a young Devin Booker. If you're thinking when they got to the finals, oh, we'll be back. That's the scariest part about getting to the finals. You don't know which way it's going to go.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. You know, I, I brought up this calf issue thing because Dame Lillard and Jason Tatum both told Gilbert Arenas that they had calf injuries before they told their tore their Achilles. And that's what happened with Tyrese Halliburton. And that's why I wondered, can you put him out there? I know he wants to be out there, but you have, he has to know that there is a risk that you're gonna, you're gonna tear your Achilles. Tatum and Dame Lillard both had calf injuries and then they tore their Achilles and that's what happened with Tyrese Halliburton. Also, don't wear the number zero. Dame Lillard, zero. Jason Tatum, zero. Tyrese Halliburton, zero. Yikes. Who else is wearing zero? We got to give them a heads up.
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Dan Patrick
Christian Brown. Be careful.
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Chris Mannix
Well, okay if he wears zero? Sure. Alrighty. So the poll question, what are we going to remember? Seton? Any other poll question for the first hour of the program?
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Seton
Yeah, we got one more here for you. Okay, bigger mistake. Trading sga. Trading the Sonics.
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Chris Mannix
Well, that owner wanted to move them to okc.
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Seton
Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
So I get that. But you go back to when Shea Gilgis was traded. Now, Sam Presti, Oklahoma City gm, insisted that SGA was going to be in the deal, and I think the Clippers were trying to hold on to him. He finished sixth in the Rookie of the Year ballot, and he averaged only 12 points a game. Anybody who said, boy, I saw this, I think he might be lying, because that felt like, all right, you take Paul George, take his contract. What are you going to give us in return? And they had accumulated so many draft picks there in Oklahoma City, and all of a sudden, you know, I watched Shea Gilgis at Kentucky. I can't tell you. I remember one play that he had. Kind of like the way he plays now, where you go, all right, I can score. I mean, he was just another Kentucky player, right? He can score. Okay, get to the hoop. Oh, I didn't think, oh, my God, that guy's gonna be. He's gonna do something that is in rarefied air with Kareem and Shaq and Michael Jordan. Imagine you're on that list and he did it. I don't think anybody saw that coming, that he would be this great. But this, you know, this has been a process like five, six years to get to this point. Remember Chat Holmgren? Soon as they got him, he got hurt in that summer All Star Game that he was playing in. He's had a hip injury. He's obviously injury prone here, but you're getting guys and you're going, okay, nobody wants Alex Caruso. We'll take him. Lou Dorrit. Who? Jalen Williams. Who? I mean, come on. Guy went to Santa Clara. That's where you look at scouting. That's where you look at what you do in, you know, down in the lab. And that's what OKC has done a wonderful job. And it starts with Sam Presti. I think he took over. He was 28 years of age when he was a GM, and now, what is he, 47. Still young for that job. But, you know, this is why, when we talk about the Lakers, that you get new ownership now, you can't go out and just buy whoever you want, but they're going to help the infrastructure of the Lakers scouting. I mean, that. That's where you beef up and, you know, that's what OKC has done. It did a wonderful job and should be commended for finding those players who do fit in. Now, the key for OKC as we move forward is Shea Gilgis is probably going to get a contract that's going to pay him $80 million a year. Just start there. Now, is Chad Holbren going to take less? Is Jalen Williams going to. Is anybody taking less to stay together to win a championship? As a former NBA champion once told me, once I got my ring, I wanted my money. That's what happens. I got my ring, now I want my money. Look at what happened with the Nuggets. Those guys bench players. They got their ring, then they wanted their money. It's a natural evolution when you're trying to keep these teams together. That's what you have to have in place. Is there a commonality that, hey, let's do that. Let's continue to do this. We're having fun. We're the best team. We're young. We have plenty of time to make plenty of money. It sounds altruistic, but it doesn't happen that way. Guys are going to leave. Guys are going to want their money. I understand it. Natural evolution here. All right, phone calls. We'll get to those 877,3DP show operator Tyler sitting by. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. We'll settle on our poll question. Gilbert Arenas will join us coming up next hour and Chris Mannix will recap the NBA Finals. He'll join us from okc. We're back after this. Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 to noon Eastern or 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Dan Patrick show at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco Show.
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Gilbert Arenas
Welcome to the you versus you podcast. I'm Lex Ferrero, and every week we sit down with some of the biggest names in entertainment to talk about the real stuff, the struggles, the doubts, and the breakthrough that made them who they are. We go deep, exploring childhood trauma, family overcoming loss, and the moments that shape their journey. These honest conversations are meant to take the cape off our heroes with the hope that their humanity inspires you to become a better you and therefore set you free to live the life of your dreams. Here's a sneak peek.
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Chris Mannix
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Lex Borrero
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Gilbert Arenas
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Lex Borrero
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Marv
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Chris Mannix
More phone calls coming up, as we always do every Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. He is the co host of Gill's Arena Podcast and he is doing some great things with that, Gill's Arena Podcast and well, it's available on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast and you can stream it Monday through Thursday on YouTube. Good to see you again. Let me start with 10 years from now. We'll remember these NBA Finals for what?
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Dan Patrick
Nothing.
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Chris Mannix
Nothing, Nothing.
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Dan Patrick
No, let's just be honest. When it comes to small market teams, we, we really don't remember much about them. We don't really talk about the Toronto championship, we don't really talk about the Bucs Giannis championship. And with this one, I mean, the only memorable thing was Halle game winner, Game one. Other than that, there was nothing in this finals that makes you say, oh my God, this was the great Finals. And let's put it up there with the top 10 of all time. It's not, they didn't have none of those moments.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, I mentioned Halliburton. 10 years from now we'll remember him, but it's because of the postseason run, Game one and then blowing out his Achilles. So I think if we just say his name, I think we'll, we'll remember that 10 years from now.
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Dan Patrick
I think he'd be more remembered for the Eastern Conference finals, what he did to the New York Knicks because that was, that was a big series. That was like one of those series because it was New York and all the exposure on it and he showed up. I think he will be more remembered for that series than really what happened in the Finals.
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Chris Mannix
You talked to a couple of guys who have blown out their Achilles and they had, there was a commonality to that of you have a calf injury. So you talk to Tatum and Dame Lillard and then you see Halliburton. We shouldn't be surprised that this happened.
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Dan Patrick
No, no, we should not. You know, I think we all thought about it. I think Kendrick Perkins mentioned that he shouldn't play in game six because of what has happened in the past. I don't remember ever when calf strains turned into Achilles tears from the past. So I wanted to ask, like, do you have any symptoms? Were there as soon as they both said, yeah, my, my calf was, you know, hurting. So we all knew he had a calf strain. We all threw it out there that this could happen. But to see it happen is another thing. And you know, it's just sad that this happened in the finals and him trying to fight back and help his team win.
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Chris Mannix
But is this just a coincidence? With calf injuries leading to torn Achilles.
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Dan Patrick
With kd, we could have said yes, but three people in just this year alone, Right. You know, where it's. It's pointed out that, hey, hold on. These strains are turning into, you know, Achilles tears. So I think now when someone has a calf strain, they should really treat it double. Double treatment. Now, like, so if it was, you know, two to three weeks, let's start doing five to six, just in case, because we can see that it's. It's costing you nine to 12 months.
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Chris Mannix
Well, a former player told me when he saw that he had a calf injury, he said, during the regular season, he's sitting out like he's going to be out for at least a week with that, he's trying to come back. He's, you know, it's the NBA Finals. You don't want to be on the bench. You want to try to help your team, and unfortunately, this season ends that way. The other option that we had of, what do we remember 10 years from now during the NBA Finals? Could be Kevin Durant got traded during the NBA Finals to the Rockets.
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Dan Patrick
No, true, true. That was a big trade. We didn't think that that was gonna happen that soon. I don't even remember trades happening during the NBA Finals. This is. This is new.
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Chris Mannix
No, the commissioner. Commissioner Stern, he had an edict. No news. Don't be hiring somebody. Don't be firing somebody. No trades. Let the NBA Finals stand alone. That's what was surprising about this, that you had. What happened with the Lakers sale, and then you had KD being traded during the NBA Finals and A bit, man.
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Dan Patrick
And in Memphis.
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Chris Mannix
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Let's. Let's just be honest. It was probably the most exciting stuff during the Finals, you know, And I know, you know, when we talk about small markets, it's needed because there are, you know, cities that need Finals. They need recognition. But, you know, when you do have, you know, teams like that, that match up this, the. The sales is down, the marketing is down, the views is down. It's clocked through history. So, you know, any kind of exposure that has to do with the NBA is needed, no matter if you like it or not.
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Chris Mannix
And Durant going to Houston. We're talking to Gilbert Arenas, his podcast, Gills Arena. You have Durant going there, and he's going to be, what, 37? I know. He's not a guy who, you know, needs to jump. Be fast, be quick. Like he's a guy who picks his. Gets his spots, and then he's going to score. I don't know what, like what does he add to Houston that you can count on? And, and are they a true title contender?
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Dan Patrick
What you do add is guaranteed 20 to 25. You can just, you know, staple that in. So he's going to give them consistency on, you know, getting buckets when they need it. The only concern I will have is is the rest of the group mature enough to help him win? See, I think that's usually what we miss here with Kevin Durant. He's an A student. Now the people around him that he has to do these group projects with, they're not A students with him. Right. When he went to Golden State, A students, honor students. We've seen what happened when he went to, you know, Brooklyn and everybody wasn't, you know, doing, turning in the assignments. Same thing in the Suns. Everybody wasn't turning their assignments. But he's getting blamed for the group project when his part of the assignment is an A. Now we, this is what is everyone going to bring an A type performance for them to be successful. And I don't think they're ready for that yet. Their games are not mature. Sangoon still thinks he's Jokic. When you're sengun, you guys have different games but you have to understand what you're good at. Stop trying to be, you know, yokish. So he's still having, trying to figure out what his game is. Same thing with Amen. Amen's trying to figure out what is he. We know you're a freak of nature, we know you are a two way player. But you really have to carve out your identity. So with so many pieces, trying to figure out who they are, I don't know if they're going to be a real contender but they do have Kevin Durant and you have a great coach. Everybody else has roles that they, they, they accept. So it could work.
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Chris Mannix
Phoenix Suns are a mess. Yeah, a mess.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I mean it's, it starts from the head, right? When you're talking about not Kevin Durant, we're talking about the owner. Right. Even though he has a basketball background, went to Michigan State. Do you know what it takes to, to, to put a winning team together? That goes from personalities, that goes from basketball style, that goes from coaching, that goes from GMs. What are they looking at? What's their eye? Right. You have to have an eye for talent and how it works together. Like just playing in the game and looking at those three, I'm saying, oh, you need to be in a triangle or you need to be in the Princeton offense because the offense is not made for your superstar, is made for the team. So the team can move around and get little buckets here and there to keep them excited, to keep the defense honest. But when you have a stationary offense where your three main guys have the ball to. Everyone sits in a corner, I don't have to guard the corner guys. So that means I'm just going to guard. Guard Kevin Durant and Beal and we're just gonna load up. And that's what the triangle was made for. Yeah, we got Jordan, Kobe and Shaq, but we're gonna make you guard BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, because we're going to move them off screens. And if you don't play it correctly, here's going to be a layup, here's going to be a jump shot. And that's what they didn't do in Suns.
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Chris Mannix
What. What was your thought or thoughts on LeBron where he said, you know, that we're obsessed with chasing rings. The media is obsessed with players chasing rings.
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Dan Patrick
He's right. Right? It was the same thing Michael Jordan said, you know, he said the same exact thing. He said, you know, Bill Russell got 11, but does that make him better than me? Right. I got six. Does that make me better than him? Because obviously there's more to just a ring and talent. You can be talented and not win a ring. You can be horrible and win a ring because you got a great cast around you. So what they're saying is correct. And it goes by the top 75 list, right? The top 75 list that was put in, voted in, and then they voted in order. That lets you know rings doesn't necessarily matter because you have Scottie Pippen with six rings, six All NBA or seven All NBAs, seven All Stars, 10 defensive awards, but he's sitting at 32, 31 is Allen Iverson. No rings. So you're telling me six rings is getting beat out by what, four scoring titles in MVP. Then you got Chris Paul sitting at 29. Then you got Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley. Not none of them got rings. But they're all in front of Scottie Pippen. Then at 75, you have dame litter, right? Six all. Six all stars at the time, six all NBAs. Klay Thompson doesn't make it in. He has three all three championships, two all, two five all stars, two all NBAs. So he. His resume is not better with the Rick. So it's showing you that rings don't matter. Your individual talent matters. First Then the rings kind of help you over the top. But the media has pushed rings as the cake instead of just the cherry on top.
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Chris Mannix
Would you rather have Scotty Pippen's career or Allen Iverson's?
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Dan Patrick
History says Allen Iverson, he's going to be remembered more because his background says he was a top player in the NBA. He was an MVP. Remember, all MVPs. One, you're the best player. If you're a scoring champ, says you're top five. I don't know how many scoring champs in the NBA went to second team, all NBA. Usually their first team, all NBA. So it kind of says who he was, us in the NBA, Right. You know, the average fan is going to say, yeah, I'm gonna take the six rings. I'm gonna be a champ. But we're looking at Scottie Pippen, and we've seen how Scotty Pippen has been treated with six rings, he's not treated like Michael Jordan. Right. So when you say my legacy, the legacy for you personally, yeah, six rings, but the legacy for everyone. When you walk in public, are you respected? If you say Scottie Pippen and Allen Iverson, everybody runs to Allen Iverson because they remember he was iconic at what he did. I mean, as a basketball player, we're taught we want to be a champion. We get reality. Once our career's done and we're sitting there, six rings, trying to get, you know, these business deals done. And everybody's like, yeah, you're not Michael Jordan. And you're like. And, you know, that's. It's the sad truth. I. I just do the research and then say what I found. You know, they. They can disagree, and then I can say, well, here's all the facts. Do you. Do you not like the facts? There's a reason Kobe's at 10. There's a reason Kobe with three rings push Shaq away. Because when he had the three rings, and we're saying. He's saying, hey, I'm Michael Jordan. They're like, yeah, well, Shaq is carrying you. And he's like, wait, what? No, wait, wait, hold on. No, no, no. You told me that I'm the next thing to Michael Jordan. Why are you not treating me like that? So now, as well, I need to get rid of him to show who I am, when. That's why his fourth and fifth ring to him is the most special one. They're the sweetest ones. The reality of it is we're.
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Chris Mannix
We're.
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Dan Patrick
We're finding out in real time. We're told championships is every day when we're getting them and we're not being recognized form. That's when reality kicks in.
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Chris Mannix
But do you think that Kobe is the one who initiated this? I mean, there was friction with him and Shaq. First of all, Shaq had his little brother. Then all of a sudden, little brother is getting 30. And then all of a sudden, things change. That, yes, we did win. I, you know, had an equal hand in this. But then did it get to the point where both their egos, or maybe Kobe's ego to say, I gotta prove that I can win without Shaq?
- [36:41]
Dan Patrick
And. And that's. And that's. That's exactly what it is. You're winning. He's getting all the credit. And he's like, wait, I. I average 32. I did my part. Why I'm not getting the equal love, right? So when. When we talk about champions and you're giving option one all the love, while option two is like, I did just as much damage. Kyrie, Same thing. Hey, hold on. I hit the game winner. I hit the game winner, didn't it? And. And LeBron is getting all the credit, so he's like, well, I need to. I need to go and show people I can do this by myself too. That's what ends up happening. That's where the egos come from. The egos come from. I'm watching the guy get all the love, and I'm waiting next. And I'm hearing all the people, and everybody's going, getting all autographs, and they're like, hey, Robin, you did great. And he's like, robin. Oh, wait, wait. No, no, no, no. I'm like. I'm like a Batman, too. I'm like, a little like, I'm 1B. I'm 1B. Give me the. They don't get it. And that's where the ego plays a part.
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Chris Mannix
How many titles, if Shaq and Kobe stay together, do you think they win?
- [37:48]
Dan Patrick
I talk to players on the team because I'm a big, big Kobe fan. Even though people don't think, like, every. My whole life revolves around it. Tattoos, la, Kobe, everything.
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Chris Mannix
Wait, you got Kobe tattoos?
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Dan Patrick
I got number. I got a 24 tatted after he won his championship by himself. Right? I got it. Got it right on my leg. 24 tatted, right? Because as a Kobe fan, when they say you couldn't win one without Shaq, we. It's like, you proved everybody wrong. Yes. That's.
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Lex Borrero
Yes.
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Chris Mannix
Wait, wait, wait. You're in the league with Kobe.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
And you Got a tattoo of Kobe?
- [38:21]
Dan Patrick
Yes.
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Chris Mannix
What did he say when he saw.
- [38:27]
Dan Patrick
He never know. He's never seen it before.
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Chris Mannix
Did he know you had it?
- [38:31]
Dan Patrick
Yes. Like, you. People don't know. Like, people don't know. Like, I played. I played in the olympics or the 2006 fever games. I wore number 10. I wore number 10 because I had the conversation with Kobe. If you ever played in the game, what number would you wear? And he said, I'm wearing number 10 because there's one more than Jordan's nine. Okay. So when I got the team, I wore 10. And then when I didn't make the team and he played, he wore 10. But I did that for. I did that for that. So I'm Kobe always.
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Chris Mannix
It's kind of stalkerish here, for sure.
- [39:03]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.
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Chris Mannix
Do you have any other players on your body?
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Dan Patrick
No, just. Just cope.
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Chris Mannix
Just Kobe.
- [39:10]
Dan Patrick
No, no. Oh, no, no. Penny Hardaway, College. So those are my two favorite. Penny Hardaway.
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Chris Mannix
Wait. So when I.
- [39:16]
Dan Patrick
When I went to Orlando. When I went to Orlando, I were number one. I wear number one also. So I have penny 25 on my leg. So I wore a 25 in high school because of Penny.
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Chris Mannix
Memphis Jeff shorts on.
- [39:30]
Dan Patrick
Yes.
- [39:31]
Chris Mannix
Show me the Kobe one. All right.
- [39:36]
Dan Patrick
So I don't know if you can see. So. So.
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Lex Borrero
Whoa.
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Chris Mannix
Okay. Wow. You got.
- [39:41]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
You got Kobe close to your heart there.
- [39:44]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. So 25. So 24 is right here.
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Lex Borrero
And it.
- [39:48]
Dan Patrick
And it's. It's. It's blessed with skills.
- [39:52]
Chris Mannix
Wow.
- [39:53]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I know. But I think they would have won if Shaq. So this is what was said. If Shaq was still the leader and the head of the snake on a 2002, 2003 team, we would have won that fourth championship. We would have won a fourth. But that's where the. The argument where he got coined the Batman and then Shaq got hurt, missed the first 12 games of that season, and Kobe put the crown on, and that's where the fighting started because Phil couldn't get it from him. Right. He was like, I'm not taking a back seat anymore. And so they would have won that championship if Shaq was still the lead dog. They. They think. And then obviously, the Carl Malone them. They could have won that one, but I think they would have probably had at that time, all the way, probably to 2006 or that 2006 season. They could have still managed just add a couple pieces. Then Shaq would have probably started declining right there, and then just, you know, added someone else. I think they could have.
- [40:59]
Chris Mannix
What do you say to your wife? Or what does your wife say to you when she realizes you have Kobe's tattoo on?
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Dan Patrick
As I. Mom, it's my fandom. It's my. It's my fandom. I'm a fan. Like, I'm one of those. Like, if I wasn't an NBA player, I would be a season ticket holder with the paint on, sitting there, that crazy, that crazy guy that's outside asking for autographs. That will be me. Like, I was, I was a fan first. And I used to say when I played, like, I'm an NBA player, but I'm a fan first. So I got. That's why I got all the autographs. If you look at my room, right, I got the okcs on one side and then Indiana's one on the other side, right? I'm rooting for both. Right? But I'm a Laker. I'm a Laker at heart.
- [41:46]
Chris Mannix
But I now know why you didn't show Kobe. Given the location of that tattoo on your inner thigh. You don't say, hey, Kobe, come here, I want to show you something.
- [41:55]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, you know, it's. It looks a little weirdish, right? You know, like, why would you put it down there? It's like, well, I'm, I'm covered everywhere else, you know.
- [42:03]
Chris Mannix
Great to talk to you as always. I appreciate it. That's Gilbert Arenas, host of Gil's arena podcast and Gil and Underdogs hit show, which streams Monday through Thursday, Gill's Arena. You can find it on YouTube, also Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. Always fun, always. But I love the enthusiasm that he does love the game and he knows the game as well. Well, take a break. When we come back, our best and worst of the weekend. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 until noon Eastern, 6 to 9 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And you can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Appsr, or stream us live on the peacock app.
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Chris Mannix
Final hour on this Monday, Dan and the Danettes. Dan Patrick, show more of your phone calls. Best and worst of the weekend. Minister of Hu, Fritzi Seaton, Marv Polyers truly in the BRGs. The back room, guys. Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's almost like, okay, you won your title. Now we want to talk about the other things, right? The draft is coming up Wednesday. How about Durant with Houston? Is Giannis going to be traded? You know, give the flowers to okc. They deserve it. They did everything that you want in a championship team. They won their game Sevens that they had. They had the best player in the sport. He came up big just about every game. He played big. Previous game did not. But came back like a true MVP and a team effort. I know it wasn't exciting. You didn't have star power there. We love to have our stars. You didn't have it. It's like going to see a great movie or a great Broadway play and somebody says, well, who's in it? Nobody really know. Was it good? Oh, yeah, it was really good. I think we're going to remember this NBA Finals, though, for Tyrese Halliburton. SGA was wonderful, but I think we're going to remember Tyrese Halliburton. What happened in game one. The injury, coming back, playing, and then last night trying to play start out well, and then ends up blowing out his hamstring. Yes.
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Dan Patrick
Marvin, if the Oklahoma City Thunder had stars, would we look at them as one of the greatest teams ever? They won 68 games.
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Chris Mannix
I think it would help because then it kind of validates when you're making your argument. You know, you can go back to what the O4 Pistons when they won, but I don't know if they had star power. You were like, yeah, they were really good. Okay, give me. Give me their best players. Like, that's how you make your argument. It feels like when you go, they had Bird and Mikhail and Parrish and DJ and Walton and other. I mean, they had Magic and then Worthy and Kareem and Coop and Scott got. Then it feels like, okay, I got it. Those are great teams. Yes. Yes. Mark.
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Dan Patrick
The 04 pistons. The most famous person might be the head coach. Larry Brown was the head coach. So just like a coronation. Other than that, they had a bunch of hall of very good guys.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. Yeah. But I do think, you know, it's star power. Just about everything that we attach to greatness is, do we know who you are? Or you're on the cusp of being something great. And I think sga, you know, I said that he was efficiently brilliant. There's no highlight, really. He just. He's a bucket. He's. He's. He's, you know, I'm not going to say unstoppable, but he's pretty close to it. He gets what he wants to get when he wants to get it, and that's the mark of a great player. And he came up big when you wanted him to. But I. I think in 10 years from now, we'll look back and it'll be about Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah.
- [50:17]
Lex Borrero
Pauline and the Thunder. It goes back to, like, the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah. They weren't a lot of famous people. Not a lot of entertainment value. But if you win, like two in three years or back to back or three in six years, you force America to get to know your names. Even, you know, Draymond Green, he became famous not because he's this best player on earth, very good player, but constantly in the finals and make you hard to ignore.
- [50:42]
Chris Mannix
Well, when you win sometimes, when you win more frequently, then we attach greatness to you. If Draymond Green played for Cleveland or. Or Sacramento, nobody would really care. Now you'd be like, oh, that guy, he's a. He's a pest. Now, he's a really good defender, but, you know, he wouldn't have any. He wouldn't be a Hall of Famer, but he didn't. He did all the things that that team needed him to do. And by proxy, you're. You know, by being a champion multiple times, now you're a Hall of Famer. That's what helps play for winning teams. You get recognized. Yes, Mark.
- [51:19]
Dan Patrick
So the Thunder have to win another championship in order for us to remember them in 10 years, probably.
- [51:27]
Chris Mannix
Yeah. I think if you go back to back, you get people's attention. Yeah. And look, I know this sounds. Oh, we just want a title. Why are you guys piling up? I'm just giving you my view, okay? I. I don't play to the local. It doesn't matter. It. I picked Indiana to win. But if, you know, even if Indiana won, we might be doing the same thing today. Just. Just to be fair to the situation I watched. I didn't care what the ratings were. If other shows didn't want to cover this. That's on them. It's that you have your own show, you have your own interpretation of what you want on your show. And we've, you know, picked out, you know, we've been sparingly covering other things, but also the NBA Finals. Same with this Stanley Cup Final. Know, you know, I. I'm. I'm trying to find interesting things in. In these games or players or an interview. It's no different than any other sport. Yes, Mark, And I think the big.
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Dan Patrick
Difference, going back to the 04 pistons, it's who they beat. They beat a Shaq and Kobe Lakers team. The Thunder beat a team with less star power than they did.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
So it even makes it even less memorable.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, no, it's fair. It's fair. But congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Winning title.
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Dan Patrick
Sorry, Thunder.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, yeah.
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Lex Borrero
Paul, when we got to halftime last night, I started thinking about if it goes the other way because they have a one point lead, the Pacers, if somehow Oklahoma City loses that game. And we're talking about the Pacers today, I don't know what level of all time upset that is, but I think it's all time. All time?
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Chris Mannix
Yes, because OKC was one of the biggest favorites in the history of the NBA. Make the segue to Chris Manic, Sports Illustrated senior writer. He's at the airport. Okc. He was there covering the game last night. Chris, thanks for joining us. What was your gut feeling prior to tip off last night?
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Lex Borrero
The gut feeling, I would say, was the game could have played out one of two ways. There was a sense that Oklahoma City could just boat race Indiana. The Pacers left it all on the floor in game six. I mean, they expended a lot of energy and it's really hard to do that two games in a row, especially when that second game is on the road in a building that has, you know, a ton of juice to it. The other potential outcome was another miraculous Indiana, you know, fourth quarter comeback where they pull out a very narrow victory. So going into that game there was it really. That was the sense that there were two outcomes that there could be.
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Chris Mannix
Obviously, when Halliburton goes down, you don't know how Indiana is going to react to that, but the sense in the building was what at that point.
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Lex Borrero
I've never experienced anything like that in, in all my years of covering basketball where there is so much energy in the building for a game and in the first quarter of a game and then to have that energy completely taken out of the building, the air taken out of the balloon, you know, it was in that moment everybody in that building realized the significance of what had just happened. You know, from the fans to the coaches to the players to the media, you knew right then and there that something really bad had happened. Based on the reaction of Halliburton, how the under players reacted, how quickly all the Pacers players got on the floor to. To circle him. It was. It was strange. Like just a. It was pandemonium in one moment and then it was eerily silent in the next because everybody just knew that, that we just seen something pretty horrible on the floor.
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Chris Mannix
15, 20 years from now, we'll look back on this NBA Finals and we will remember what.
- [55:23]
Lex Borrero
Oh, I think up the top you probably remember the halberd injury. It's like it takes nothing away from Oklahoma City and what it accomplished. I mean, and look, Halberd and no Halberdon, you know, holding Indiana to 43 points in the second half, winning the third quarter 34 to 20, you know, putting their stamp on the game. I mean, that was, that's how you win. Like that is. That was a statement. Second half, specifically that, that third by Oklahoma City. But it's going to be one of the great what ifs, not just because Halliburton got hurt, Dan, but Halliburton was, he was cooking in that moment. He was three or five from the floor, three or four from three point range. I mean, he was playing great basketball. I just, I think when we look back on this and look at that series, wow, six ultra competitive games. What might have happened in game seven if Kyrie Taliban on the floor had the guy that authored this, this incredible postseason story, one of the greatest postseason stories we've ever seen with the shots that he was making, could he have done it one more time in game seven, the finals?
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Chris Mannix
The future of okc, we like to look at, hey, is this the embryonic stages of a dynasty? Although there's a whole lot of competition out west, so what's the future, immediate future with okc?
- [56:46]
Lex Borrero
I mean, I'm like a year removed from writing about the selfish dynasty that was about to start, so God knows what could happen. You know, we're really, we're just like one year ago today we were talking about the age of Brown and Tatum and you know, Jrue Holiday still in his prime. Porzingis, Derrick White, like, who is going to beat these guys? Like, and now the Celtics are looking at, you know, at least a one year gap year and maybe longer. I do think, though, Dan, Oklahoma City is uniquely equipped to have some longevity for two reasons. One, there's going to be organic growth there. Like, you look at this team, like most of the guys are 27 and under and guys like Chet Holmgren, Jalen Williams, Aaron Wiggins off the bench, they've got another level they can go to just through organic growth. I mean, I was talking to someone close to Chet last night and they were like, he's going to be in the weight room all summer. Like, he's going to get stronger this summer. He's going to come back a better player. So I think there's, there's room organically for them to grow. And look, one of the things that's prevented some of these recent champions from becoming the quote dynasties has been they haven't had the replacement players. When some of their, their veterans have priced out under these New cap rules. They haven't had guys ready to step in. It's what stopped Milwaukee from getting there again. Denver, we know that as they've lost talent, other guys have not stepped up. Oklahoma City is different, though. Like Oklahoma City. I mean, they have a kid named Nicola Topic, who was their lottery pick last year, a guy that would have been Inside the top 10 had he been healthy. He was out all year with a knee injury. When I talk to people in Oklahoma City about him, they're like, he's going to be in the rotation next year. Like he's a 6, 6 point guard that, you know, has one of those dynamic European games. They've got something like seven first round draft picks in the next four drafts. The point is they're not going to or they could. They're more, less likely to fall into that situation where when they lose pricey veterans like a Lou Dort, for example, they're not going to be able to replace them with guys that are close to that level. That's why I think this team, as much as any team over the last six or seven years, has a chance to have some longevity at the top.
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Chris Mannix
Talking to Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated senior writer, joining us from Oklahoma City. Of course, the other big news, Kevin Durant being traded to Houston. Now, what does Houston impose on the rest of the NBA after this? You know, how do they look or how do they feel after this move?
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Lex Borrero
I think it's a great deal and I think it was always the deal that was going to happen. I was reporting back in February that there was mutual interest at the time between Durant and certainly people within the Rockets, specifically Ine Udoka. But the Rockets were determined back then to see what that young team had to see if Jalen Green could step up and become a, a, you know, a guy that could, you could be trusted with the ball in a playoff scenario. They wanted to see what that team had. They figured out it was lacking a player like Kevin Durant and they went out and got him. They didn't have to give up a lot. I mean, look, they were looking to part with Jalen Green anyway. You know, he was no longer really a prospect to them. He was kind of just a bad contract to them. You have the, even the 10th overall pick in the draft. That's whatever, you know, draft, the five second round picks is really just window dressing. That's not something that's all that consequential. And you get a guy that even at 37 years old is still one of the best Scorers in the NBA. And you look at that team in the Golden State series, Dan, what were they missing? You know, a guy that could get them a bucket in the fourth quarter can't always be Alperin Sengun, you know, with the ball in his hands down the stretch. Kevin Durant's going to help them a lot. To the point where like if I'm making a power rankings of kind of who is Oklahoma City's biggest threat next year, Houston's right there at the top one or one A with maybe a team like Denver as the biggest threats to, in the Western Conference. To, to, to Thunder.
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Chris Mannix
What's the future of the Phoenix Suns?
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Lex Borrero
I mean just making bad decisions over and over again and not stop. Like what does that roster even look like right now? Like you've got Jalen Green, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker. How does that work? Like who's sharing the ball in, in that particular situation? Like I'd like to give Phoenix the benefit of the doubt and think that maybe they have another move left in them. And people around the league have been talking to me about that, that like there's no way have that, you know, backcourt or three person rotation going back season. But Bradley Beal is untradable. There's no real market for Jalen Green. They've said they're not going to trade Devin Booker. So I don't know what they're, I don't really know what they're trying to do. Like the big, the big win for the Rockets and all this, Dan, is that they didn't have to give up any of the Sun's draft capital that they own so they can, you know, continue on their path of trying to, you know, win with the group that they have while simultaneously rooting for, you know, the self destruction of the Phoenix suns. So in 2027, 2029, they can have those draft picks and continue to flesh out their roster. I just thought, I thought it was a big win for the Rockets and Phoenix. You know, they were out there, you know, trying to recoup close to what they got from, you know, for what they traded for Durant back a few years ago when laughed out of the room, you know, you know, San Antonio didn't really have any interest. They're going big game hunting, you know, whenever, if and when Giannis becomes available. Miami couldn't, wasn't going to give up any of its young pieces. I mean we got to the point Dan, where like Toronto wasn't going to part with Jakob Hurdle. Like this is where we are. Yaka Purdle, who was like the throw in, in the Kawhi Leonard deal years ago, was a guy that Toronto was not going to give up for Kevin Durant. I mean, Phoenix tried, I'll give him credit for that. But, you know, this was always how it was going to end. I don't think this makes them remotely better.
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Chris Mannix
The deeper we get into the summer, the, the odds for Giannis to be traded or what.
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Lex Borrero
So my understanding with Giannis is that he's going to sit back and see where the chips fall in all this. It is notable to me that the San Antonio spurs hire Sean Sweeney to be their associate head coach. Sean was very close with Giannis in Milwaukee, who's adjacent kids top assistants, was over in Europe all the time working with Giannis. He's a credible coach alone. He's just worthy of a coaching bump in San Antonio. But I did think it's notable they bring someone like that in. But I think Giannis is going to see what Milwaukee's able to do over the next week. The Bucks are trying, like they're making every effort, but they don't have a lot of draft capital to work with. They don't have a ton of movable contracts. They've got a conundrum with Brook Lopez, who's a free agent, and it's going to be expensive for them to bring back. I just think Giannis wants to get to my read on his will, get to mid to late July, early August, and then see what's out there for him. If, if the Bucks have done something that might make him believe that they can compete next year, I think he'll, he's more inclined to stay. But if he's looking at a team that is going to be fighting for a birth in the play, and that's why I think things would get interesting.
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Chris Mannix
Great to talk to you again. Safe travels. Chris, thanks for joining us.
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Lex Borrero
And you never call me anymore, Dan. I've become a Rich Eisen guy. These days, Rich Eisen calls me. Dan Patrick does not call me.
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Chris Mannix
Okay? You should have said to Rich Eisen, I'm Dan Patrick's guy. And then we'd probably have a relationship. So I'm going to blame you because you are flirting with everybody instead of being loyal to me.
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Lex Borrero
I, I, I am a very disloyal guy, Dad. I found that in my life in all walks. But I'm back, baby.
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Chris Mannix
I'm back. Thank you, Chris.
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Lex Borrero
You got it, Dan.
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Chris Mannix
Chris Mannings, former friend of the show, senior writer with sports illustrated. We'll take a break. More of your phone calls Best and worst of the weekend, right after this.
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Lex Borrero
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Marv
I also wanna address the Tonys. On a recent episode of Checking in.
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Lex Borrero
With Michelle Williams, I open up about.
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Marv
Feeling sn by the Tony Awards.
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Chris Mannix
Do I?
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Marv
I was never mad.
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Chris Mannix
I was disappointed because I had high.
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Lex Borrero
Hopes to hear this and more on disappointment and protecting your peace. Listen to Checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on.
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Marv
The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever.
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Lex Borrero
You get your podcasts.
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Chris Mannix
This is an iheart Pod.