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Greg Rosenthal
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Tamara Judge
T I k a/t t e A P O D Symbiotica Wellness made Simple. What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs, mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy. The gritty true story of how one.
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Vincent Goodwill
Man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail.
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Tamara Judge
But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an.
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Vincent Goodwill
Ex con to a literary darling.
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Tamara Judge
From campside media and iHeart podcasts.
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Vincent Goodwill
Listen on the iHeartradio app, Apple podcasts.
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Tamara Judge
Or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Teddy Mellencamp
I'm ready to fight.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, this is Fighting words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back.
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Vincent Goodwill
Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to.
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Tamara Judge
Use our voices to fight back. Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us. You know, we are the greatest culture makers in world history.
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Vincent Goodwill
Listen to fighting words on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Tamara Judge
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Vincent Goodwill
Vincent Goodwill Yahoo Sports NBA writer Host of the Good Word podcast on Yahoo Sports Ball don't lie channel SiriusXM NBA Host what the heck happened in Denver yesterday, Vincent?
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Greg Rosenthal
Before we began, that was the greatest song ever written that you were playing coming out there on the bump Stevie Wonders ad just put me in a really, really good mood. What happened yesterday shows that the NBA is very unpredictable. Like, you've seen more championship coaches fired in the short span than anybody, but this one is particularly, I guess you could say, bizarre. You were hearing over the past couple of months that Michael Malone was probably not going to be there after this year bearing something miraculous happening, bearing another championship run. And then after the All Star break, it just seemed to accelerate. Like the way that the team had performed, the losses they had, you know, the defense. And honestly, some of the things that he said in the post game press conferences kind of alluded to, man, maybe he lost his voice with the team to some degree and maybe that did happen. The total house cleaning was more shocking to me than Michael Malone and even the timing of it because now you don't have a chief basketball executive, you don't have a head coach, and you're walking into arguably maybe the play in tournament, depending on how these next few games shake out. Like, it's a lot of questions for what we consider to be one of the model franchises in the NBA, and we don't have a lot of answers as of yet. I don't know if we're going to get the answers as clear beyond what we've been saying in writing over the past day or so.
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Vincent Goodwill
Any chance Joker wasn't involved in this?
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Greg Rosenthal
I don't think he ordered the Code Red. I don't think he did. The Colonel Jessup ordered the Code Red and all that type of stuff. No, I think in the NBA, Dan, you notice like I know this, sometimes the star player is alerted and they have the opportunity to say, hey, that's not happening, I'm going to the wall for my guy. Or whatever. That doesn't seem like Nikola Jokic and his type of personality. He's more or less the type that it seems like to me from a distance. I don't know him well. I don't know many people who do. That's more or less like, okay, if that's what you want to do, okay, fine. Like, he's not going to step in front and obscure what an organization wants to do. And besides, he doesn't want to pick his head coach anyway. He just wants, I'm sure, to be in a stable situation. And right now that looks like nothing but stable. Even though from what I understand, Dan, the players do like David Adams. They do, they do have. They have reacted positively to him throughout the season since he's been there.
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Vincent Goodwill
Do you make this move because you think it's going to give your team a little bit of a bump going into the. I just, I don't know how that works. Where you go, hey, look what we did. Now go out and try to win.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, I. There's a reason this is unprecedented because it doesn't work. Like, there's a reason why, you know, the Miami Heat and you know, some of the other model franchises, they ride these waters out. But some coaches have different personalities too. And some coaches almost like from a certain tree of coaches almost, they run very, very hot. And Michael Malone ran very hot. And one of the concerns that I knew from the front office and from people and the note was that, hey, is he holding the top guys accountable? Is he playing those top guys too many minutes? Almost. Tibsian, right, Like Jamal Murray, who has an ACL playing the career high minutes. Nikola Jokic, career high minutes. The numbers look great, but you run the risk, Dan, of that team wearing down throughout the course of a playoff run. Remember, they wore down in the last two games of that playoff run against the Minnesota, Tim Wolves. They had nothing left. Jamal Murray, his legs were wiped out. Nicola Jokic looked wiped out. And if you're responding by playing those guys career hot minutes, ain't no joke that's going to happen when you change the coach or when the coach is still there. It's almost like this is going to be another tired run if there is some type of run. But it's really, really bizarre that it happened with three games left in the season. Not bizarre that they fired the coach.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah. The problem I had with this team, they win the title, I wanted to know they were going to lose bench players. I just don't think they restocked. And I called it malpractice. Because I said this team won't win another title. With Joker. You have the best player in the game, and I just don't think that you gave him. You know, that's why they're playing these minutes, because maybe Michael Malone didn't have confidence in that bench. And that leads us to this. Joker had a wonderful year. Murray is hurt. You're limping literally into the postseason. You don't have a coach and you don't have a gm. Other than that, how was your season, Nuggets?
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Greg Rosenthal
Other than how's the play, Mrs. Lincoln? Like that's what this sounds like. But I understand this from this standpoint. They signed Michael Porter Jr. The third star, to a max contract under the old paradigm, under the old cba, where you didn't have punitive luxury tax penalties and fewer mechanisms that you could actually improve your team. Most teams don't have three max salary guys, including a big time max salary guy in yos. No matter how good you are. It is really hard in the financial reality of today's NBA to have three max guys and to build a team around, you have to hit on all of your draft picks. You have to have value signings. And they've done that. Actually, like Christian Brown is one of those guys who's the most improved player candidate, like Calvin Booth actually restocked to some degree with value young players. Michael Malone didn't trust them. And subsequently, because you didn't trust them, you play your veterans more and you don't have any other resources.
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Vincent Goodwill
Luca, last night getting tossed. Last five years, he leads the NBA and technicals with 73. I mean, you're not Draymond Green. You're not Rasheed Wallace. Why does he.
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Greg Rosenthal
Why is he not Rasheed Wallace? Why is he not Draymond Green?
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Vincent Goodwill
Well, because. Are we sure he's one of the best players in the game? He shouldn't be Draymond Green and shouldn't be Rasheed Wallace. Why is he.
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Greg Rosenthal
I mean, look, he's a child prodigy. Like I read his book, Not Shameless Plug for my man, Tim McMahon, the wonder boy. But everything with him strikes out to me like a child prodigy. And those child prodigies, they act out a lot. They act out at people around them, they act out at fans. Luka Doncic is a. Is a chirper. He has ways that he goes about it. I don't think people love it and like it. I don't know. That's one of the reasons that the Dallas Mavericks, they had a litany of reasons why they Traded him. I don't know if I would have done it. They had a litany of reasons and that was one of them. Getting distracted. And you don't remember the plays during the NBA Finals. He picked up his fifth foul in the fourth quarter of game three in a play he shouldn't have. He ordered the team to challenge it. It was a bad play. It was a bad challenge. And then a few minutes later, he files out like it's these impulses in the moment. Now granted, Dan, he was talking to a fan in that moment, but he had already drawn one technical file with that same official, thus eliminating benefit of the doubt. I feel like that's a theme in the NBA for the past couple of weeks with John Morant and now Luka Doncic. Some people don't have benefit of the doubt when you're. When you've eliminated the lack of a good phrase. Goodwill.
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Vincent Goodwill
Speaking of which, Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports NBA writer Josh got a new celebration. Like he. Now he tosses the grenade.
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Greg Rosenthal
Hey, look, man, look, if he wants to go full rebel, go look. He's clearly going full rebel, full villain. And I find it hilarious, Dan, that the NBA, they didn't suspend him. They didn't find him immediately. They told him, hey man, just don't do it again. And you want to know why they did that, Dan? Because they don't want to hurt him. They need him as a young face of the future. They just wanted him to stay on the floor a little bit longer to get people used to seeing him again without associating him with the nonsense. And what is the first thing that he does 12 hours after receiving a warning, he goes out and does it on national tv. You're daring the league. You're daring Adam Silver, the most player progressive commissioner in the history of professional American sports. You're spitting on him. Okay, fine, go ahead. Find you $75,000. And people are still pissed off about that. They didn't suspend them. Like we have to be honest about this stuff. If he's going to go full villain, go full villain. But then don't complain and say that everybody's against you. This is ridiculous.
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Vincent Goodwill
As long as he's not driving with one of his buddies and he's actually got a live grenade, then I'm okay with this. But you're right. Now all of a sudden it's everybody's against jaw. He doesn't realize he created all of this. I don't think people. He was a great feel good story. Came out of nowhere. And all of a Sudden you watch him and you go, damn, this is. I mean, he should be one of those guys that we talk about with all of the greats of the game, and we don't. And I hope that there's somebody who can. They don't have that veteran leadership there. You just fired your coach. I don't know what role he played in that, but, you know, I. You see these guys that they're in the embryonic stages of greatness, Zion, and I just don't know. You got a lot of money. You're not. You don't need to work for it anymore. And I just wonder if, you know, that's to the detriment of a lot of these younger players getting $50 million by the time you're 25.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of expectation. I will say this for Job. I don't think from my reporting, from my gathering, he had anything to do with the firing of Taylor Jenkins. Like, so I won't put any. I won't put that on him. Just like I won't put Michael Malone on Nicola Jokic. I will say this, man, for the NBA. They want their next generation of young players, Ant Man, Zion, Victor, Josh, to take the mantle from the old guys. This is the league that depends heavier on stars. So you're going to give star treatment to stars. The model is there. Step is going to play for 20 years. LeBron's going to play for 20 years. Kevin Durant's going to play for 20 years. They got all the money, all the fame. All they have to do is just, hey, don't play with guns on Instagram. Don't use laser pointers against the Indiana Pacers traveling party in a loading dock. Don't do dumb stuff. It's not that difficult. Nobody's asking you to be a model citizen. They're just saying, hey, go play basketball. Be entertaining. Be electrifying. Just don't make it hard for yourself. Don't be job versus Job. This ain't job versus the NBA. The NBA wants them to succeed. They want to succeed. Come on, man.
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Vincent Goodwill
What kind of reception will the Mavericks give Luca tonight? What kind of reception should they give him?
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Greg Rosenthal
What type of reception will the Mavericks fans give the Mavericks tonight? This is going to be a rough game in Dallas. That's what y'all are missing. This is going to be. It's going to be a lot of Laker Purple and gold in this building. I think he's going to, of course, get the standing ovations. I'm sure there's going to be a tribute video, you know, given to him by the franchise and like, he made five NBA first teams in his first six years, carried them to the NBA Finals in the Western Conference finals. I think his relationship with the city of Dallas is solid. His relationship with the Dallas Mavericks is a different thing. So I am far more curious how the fans are going to react to the home team looking at the other side and seeing Anthony Davis and not seeing Kyrie Irving. I think it's going to be an electric, sometimes angry atmosphere because they're going to be treated to all the things they miss. Dan, have you ever ran into an ex girlfriend and she looks finer than when she was with you? Have you ever seen that before?
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, the. The revenge body.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, the revenge body. You know, hey, some, sometimes guys have revenge bodies. I mean, maybe not Luca, but you know, some people have revenge bodies.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'm gonna leave you with this. Are we giving the Oklahoma City Thunder enough credit for one of the greatest regular seasons of all time? They have, they have 51 games where they won by at least 10 points. At least 10. That's the all time record. Previous record was the 1971-72 Lakers, who won 33 in a row. Golden State in 2016, 2017. Milwaukee Bucks with Kareem and Oscar 70, 71. The Bulls with Mike in 95 and 96. Are we giving. Okay, I know we're waiting for, well, let's see what happens to the postseason. That's it, right?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah. I mean, for one, double digit wins is a proxy of the three point shot and the importance of it. Like when you talk about Kareem's teams and the Lakers teams of the early 70s, they were doing that without the three point shot. So there's a little more, I guess you could say, equity that you can put into that being translatable to the playoffs. But we're trying to see if this franchise, that this team can finally get over the hump. And if you look at how they played against the Lakers the last, their last two games, you could say, man, we got, we got some doubts here. Like, what does this team look like without Shay Gilgis Alexander performing like the mvp? Do you have a second guy that can take advantage of his matchup and create his own shot and make his own shot? I don't know if they're going to run through the Western Conference playoffs like they ran through the regular season. I wouldn't say, I'd be surprised if they get to the finals. But I think there's a lot more competition in this bloodbath of a Western Conference to get to the finals, that I'll be impressed if they do so. More impressed than the winning by, you know, double digits and the highest net rating in NBA history and all that other type of stuff. Like they have to prove, prove it right now. And the thing is, Dan, nobody's afraid of them.
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Vincent Goodwill
Great to talk to you. Have fun tonight in Dallas.
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Greg Rosenthal
More Stevie Wonder. Dan.
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Vincent Goodwill
Okay. Can't go wrong. That's Vincent Goodwill. Yahoo Sports, NBA writer.
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Tamara Judge
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Vincent Goodwill
Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis.
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Teddy Mellencamp
And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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Vincent Goodwill
You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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Teddy Mellencamp
On Fox Sports Radio.
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Tamara Judge
And of course, the iHeartRadio app.
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Vincent Goodwill
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships.
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Teddy Mellencamp
What'S going on in the world.
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Vincent Goodwill
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem.
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Teddy Mellencamp
To have the time to discuss.
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Vincent Goodwill
And the fact that we've been friends.
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Tamara Judge
For the last 20 years and still.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Work together, I mean, that says something, right?
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Vincent Goodwill
So check us out. We like to get you involved, too.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'd say the most interactive show on.
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Tamara Judge
Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.
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Vincent Goodwill
Show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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Vincent Goodwill
And if you miss any of the live show, just search KO Vino and Rich, wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Tamara Judge
What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this episode, NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Teddy Mellencamp
It's Julie Stewart Banks.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quick, quotable Nate Thompson.
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Tamara Judge
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
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Vincent Goodwill
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's gonna be quite the ride.
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Teddy Mellencamp
We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.
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Tamara Judge
We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Vincent Goodwill
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm vibing, Julie.
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Tamara Judge
I'm ready to roll.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Vincent Goodwill
On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found, except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were 10 vile.
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Tamara Judge
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Vincent Goodwill
Grotesque.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, my God.
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Tamara Judge
Oh, my God.
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Vincent Goodwill
Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the. This too, a horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
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Tamara Judge
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
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Greg Rosenthal
From the building of the corps that.
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Tamara Judge
Includes Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to.
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Greg Rosenthal
One of the boldest coaching decisions in.
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Teddy Mellencamp
The history of the sport, I just.
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Tamara Judge
Felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and.
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Vincent Goodwill
Let the players know that we were.
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Tamara Judge
Here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
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Greg Rosenthal
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
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Tamara Judge
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it. Come revisit this.
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Greg Rosenthal
Magical warriors ride this is Dove Dynasty.
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Teddy Mellencamp
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
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Greg Rosenthal
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Tamara Judge
My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious.
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Vincent Goodwill
Somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees.
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Tamara Judge
The FBI went around to all their.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans?
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Tamara Judge
It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the God damnedest love story you've ever heard.
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Vincent Goodwill
I picked up the phone and my.
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Tamara Judge
Thought was, this is the most important.
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Greg Rosenthal
Phone call I'll ever make in my life.
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Teddy Mellencamp
I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention.
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Tamara Judge
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Vincent Goodwill
Scott Van Pelt anchors ESPN's Midnight Sports Center. He's got his own podcast. He does Monday night countdown. He's on the road. He'll be calling the Masters par three contest today. That'll be noon to four eastern. And then live coverage, first and second round of the Masters. A tradition unlike any other. But before we get to that, Scotty, we're both nominated. Our show, you as a host. We're over five, you're oh for eight. So outstanding studio host, zero for eight.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Yeah, That's a lot. That's a lot of times to sit there until the very end. It's a long evening, there's no food, the bitterness builds. And then they say, Ernie Johnson. Yeah, or Mike Tirico. And there have been years where Ernie's not nominated and then Mike wins. And then there's years when Mike's not nominated and then Ernie wins. And this year, Dan, they're both nominated. So we're going to just do the math and just put that nine in the right hand column, pal.
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Vincent Goodwill
Well, when I was nominated for studio host, Bob Costas was always there.
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Teddy Mellencamp
That was a tough one. I got nominated against him a couple of times early on, I didn't. I just looked at that as sort of being like Abilene Christian against Texas. You know, I was probably getting 38 and a half on that, on that board.
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Vincent Goodwill
Well, I always viewed it. I was, I was Patrick Ewing in the Jordan era. I just, I wasn't going to win. I was proud of myself and I would try to put up a good fight, but I would I. I knew I was going to lose. I just didn't know in how many games.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Here's the win for me. I'm at Augusta National. I'm going to have lunch with the. There's a member here that I've become friendly with, and we. We seem to eat lunch on the day that the nominations come out, and it's become kind of this running joke. He's like, did you get. Did you get the. Did you get the notification? And yesterday I said, you know what? I. I did. And so I'm going to look at it as a win because I ate a grilled cheese and bacon sandwich at Augusta national on a perfectly sunny day at the Masters. Ernie Johnson didn't do that. Mike Tirico might have. Actually, Mike, I believe is here somewhere. But, hey, listen. I mean, it's.
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Greg Rosenthal
It's.
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Teddy Mellencamp
Listen, we could joke, and of course, I know you guys want to win, and you should. I hope you do someday, because your show's been awesome for a long time. Of course you want to hear your name, but you make the cut. You make the cut. Not. It's. There's a hell of a lot of people that do what we do. So you do have to give yourself a little grace and say, that's pretty cool. Nice to see your name. And. And then you go to New York, and then you lose.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, but I say this to the Danettes, and they haven't won before, but I say it. You just want to be relevant. You want to be nominated. You want to stay in the game. That's all. And we're a little show. We have 12 employees, including me, so you're going against big boys here. But that's why I said, you know what? One of these days. One of these days that. Before I retire, and I don't want to get a posthumous sports Emmy, Scott. So, you know, if you want to accept it for me, but I'd rather not get one where they go, oh, we feel sorry for him.
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Teddy Mellencamp
He had a good run. And then you get a lifetime achievement.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, I don't want that either. I don't want that.
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Teddy Mellencamp
No lifetime. All right, so Academy, take notes. No lifetime.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, we're going to break down Scott's chances. All right, Paulie.
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Tamara Judge
Yeah, we're talking to Vegas.
- [26:52]
Teddy Mellencamp
Scotty, you're well deserving of this, of course, needless to say, but you're up.
- [26:56]
Tamara Judge
Against Tirico, Kate Scott of cbs, Ernie.
- [26:58]
Teddy Mellencamp
Johnson, and Scott Hansen. Scott Hansen's the wild card. New guy. Ooh, a little quad box here. Witching Hour. Yeah.
- [27:07]
Tamara Judge
Fresh Face.
- [27:09]
Teddy Mellencamp
Scott is entering though the Paul Newman.
- [27:11]
Tamara Judge
Color Money episode, though, where we've overlooked him.
- [27:15]
Teddy Mellencamp
This is his turn. Paul, can I, if I may interject. Years ago, the COVID year, I believe you had me as a lock because of the work we did on.
- [27:24]
Vincent Goodwill
Yes.
- [27:25]
Teddy Mellencamp
That was the one year I got real bitter because I'm like, there was. Yeah, we created content out of nothing. No one was else. No one else was doing television, and we still didn't win. And if that wasn't enough, I just. That was the one year I think I got better. I was like, well, the hell with it. There's just. It's nothing I could do. So. Color of Money, maybe. I don't know. I don't know.
- [27:43]
Vincent Goodwill
Scott, we were doing our show every day during COVID Just let you know.
- [27:46]
Teddy Mellencamp
Thanks, pal.
- [27:47]
Vincent Goodwill
Yeah.
- [27:48]
Teddy Mellencamp
Were you nominated?
- [27:49]
Vincent Goodwill
Probably. So we lost. Yeah.
- [27:51]
Teddy Mellencamp
Did Paul say you were a lock? Because Paul went on your show and said, well, I was a lot.
- [27:54]
Vincent Goodwill
No, I. The only time I ever felt angry was when I had a guy who voted, and he said, saw your tape. You're going to win this thing. And I go. So I'm there with my wife, and. God dang it, I. I wanted to go Larry Bird, where I get up and just put the finger up. I just won. And. And they get. And the winner is. And I. I went to get up. My wife grabs my arm as I get ready to get up, and they go. And the winner is Bob Costas. And then I thought, well, I'm almost up. Do I stand and give him. Because I was kind of caught in between. That's the only one where I go, you gotta be kidding me. You know? Yeah.
- [28:41]
Teddy Mellencamp
I mean, it's you. We occupy a tricky, tricky space where you. You kind of. What you're saying is you feel like you deserve to win is what I'm hearing.
- [28:49]
Vincent Goodwill
That's true. I did. I did. And I feel like we deserve to win this year.
- [28:54]
Teddy Mellencamp
Good.
- [28:55]
Vincent Goodwill
I do say it.
- [28:56]
Teddy Mellencamp
Speaking into existence. I mean, there's nights I'm driving home, I'm like, what other idiots out there doing this by themselves every night at midnight? Like, no one. Who else is doing this? But then you're like, you know what? You're doing that. Because these guys have elevated beyond the need to do that. You're. You're just some grinder out there. Keep your head down. Keep working.
- [29:13]
Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, But, Scott, for 15 years, I.
- [29:15]
Teddy Mellencamp
Was working second shift again. I relate to you, okay? I know this. I know this. I'm not saying I. I'M I'm not saying my pain's worse than your pain, Dan. We're doing pain comparison here.
- [29:28]
Vincent Goodwill
Okay.
- [29:28]
Teddy Mellencamp
This is interesting, by the way, to just us, no one else bitching about not winning an Emmy.
- [29:34]
Vincent Goodwill
You know, the. It's weird. We're talking to the sports Emmy nominated Scott Van Pelt, who has no chance of winning. The number of people who have called in to complain about Brian Harmon taking forever to hit his shot. Okay, what are. You know, baseball's had a pitch clock forever, and then they finally go, oh, we got a pitch clock. Let's use it. Golf, you know, they can put you on the clock, but, you know, do we need a shot clock?
- [30:05]
Teddy Mellencamp
I think I was part of the TGL launch this year, which, for those that didn't see the Tomorrow Golf League, Tiger and Rory behind it. It's SoFi center in Palm Beach Gardens, indoor, sort of just an enormous simulator. It was really. I thought it was a cool thing. It was fun. They have a clock. You see it. And the one person that got a violation, I believe there was only one, and it was Tiger, which. That's how you know it's real. They're going to. If they're going to call a violation on him, then it's a real thing. But what you're dealing with is a big giant clock that you can see that's right there. And when it goes off, there's really nothing to do but say, well, that's a penalty in golf. It's outdoors. Do you have a rules official with each group? It's a bit vague. And Harmon is a good dude who, I don't know if you've had him on the show, but he's like, he's a, he's a Georgia guy, he's a huge sports fan, and he knows that it takes too long and he doesn't want to take that long. It's just he's kind of got these ticks that he is pre shot that, that he's working through. But the bottom line is, yeah, golf would benefit greatly if there was sort of a clock that we knew when it started. And when it hit zero, you get a warning and then you get a penalty. Because the game, that the game does take a long time to get moving.
- [31:21]
Vincent Goodwill
Is there an innovation on the Live Tour that you could see the PGA Tour eventually adopting.
- [31:31]
Teddy Mellencamp
Taking money from the Saudi Fund that. Taking the money, taking the forbidden money. They said, no, you can't take that money. Wait, how much? That's the one. Yeah, but I mean, in terms of Just sort of like the shorts and the rock and roll and whatever else. Not ne, not necessarily. I, I and that feels hopefully like we're felt like the roads were going to, were divergent. Now it feels like they're going to intersect at some point because you just. The game benefits when Rahman, DeChambeau and Koepka etc are playing with all the other guys on the PGA Tour. You know, we see it this week which is good, but that's, that's the one in the innovation is just figure it out and let's, let's get back together.
- [32:09]
Vincent Goodwill
But they have graphics now. They have too many graphics on the screen.
- [32:13]
Teddy Mellencamp
It's kind of like pti, but an ex, a PTI times a billion. Right. Like there's the, the graphic presentation. I get what they're going for, but I'm with you. I think there's, there's probably a sweet spot in the middle where it doesn't need to be that many, but maybe, maybe more than you typically have. I, I mean I've done golf for 30 something years. God, it's not that long whatever it is. So there's only so much you can do with it. Right? It's, it's going to take a while. You could show the wind direction, you could show the slope on the green, but I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know if there's a first down line right. Like we got in football. People want shot tracer if they don't see which direction is. I give up. Where's that? Where's the arrow on the friggin screen?
- [32:53]
Vincent Goodwill
Historically, how good is Scotty Scheffler already.
- [32:58]
Teddy Mellencamp
On the short list because of what he's demonstrated here. That, that and his ability to stack monster tournaments.
- [33:06]
Vincent Goodwill
Does he want to be a superstar? Does he. Well, maybe not a superstar. Does he want to be a star?
- [33:11]
Teddy Mellencamp
No, no. That, and that's his, that's his secret sauce. Dan, I think is that he has maintained a similar humility to before everyone knew his name. And he keeps focusing on doing the same stuff. He's a, he's a simple, simple sounds like a knock. It's not, it's a compliment. He's maintained a simple approach. He's really good at what he's really good at and that's pretty much everything. And he has no desire to go to seek it, you know. Now I do think that the, the one thing you got to learn to live with and I feel like you've seen him get a little bit more prickly with the media this year. I think he just doesn't suffer the nonsense. Well. And you gotta just somehow trick yourself the way Tiger did that. I'm going to be asked a lot of the same stuff. A lot of it's probably going to feel mundane and dumb. And I've answered this before, but you kind of have to just sort of do it again like you haven't done it before. That'll be the, that'll be the interesting thing. Just learning to live with the day to day requests that come of that guy when you're, that guy when he's looking around going, this isn't that big a deal, you know, but that's, that's, that's really his secret sauce. I truly believe that is that he is a superstar without, with none of the trappings.
- [34:26]
Vincent Goodwill
But okay, you talking about answering the questions over and over, you got Colin Morikawa who says, you know, it's not our obligation to talk to the media. Rory just echoed the same scent like, where's this coming from? That these guys don't feel, I don't want to say indebted, but in partnership with the media covering their sport.
- [34:47]
Teddy Mellencamp
I think Colin explained what happened at Bay Hill where he came out and was ready for the questions or ready for the media person to be there and no one was there. And then he went and signed for the folks that were there, autographs and there were. And then by the time the person got there, he's like, look, I was here and I, I'm good, I'm done. And I, I think there's a fine line. I, I, I thought a lot about this when it came to Rory last year. I said it, I believe you did as well about, about Pinehurst and like Greg talked after it completely imploded here at Augusta. You remember it standing in the trees at night down there. And he answered the questions and he smiled and he said the sun will come up tomorrow, essentially. And I think I wanted to know in that moment what happened. But then there's a human part of me where I think there's a little grace to be extended here. If it were the NBA Finals, which you covered so well for so many years, there's that little grace period where they're in the locker room before they're going to come out. And sometimes you got to wait for LeBron or Michael back in the day for a while. But if there was that cooling off period where we waited and it wasn't just, you've got to go right on NBC and tell Us. You missed a two foot putt and you. And you lost the US Open. How do you feel like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like if there were a little bit of grace, a little bit of a buffer zone which exists in the other sports, that might be beneficial. Does that make sense at all to you?
- [36:16]
Vincent Goodwill
You. Well, Calvin Sampson waited an hour before he met with the media, I think after losing the national title game.
- [36:22]
Teddy Mellencamp
And that's based on what happened to his team on Monday night. That feels entirely reasonable to me because if he were asked to speak, walking off the floor, I can't imagine what he could have even uttered. I don't know how you could have gotten a word out after what happened, you know what I'm saying? And I. Look, you and I are on the same lane here on the other side of the rope, where I'm interested in that human emotion. That's why I enjoy the show. I get to do. I get to talk to these people in the moments after high achievement, and you get to try to get the. The feelings out of them. But I'm talking the winners. You know what I mean? I don't. I don't have the person that just lost in gutting fashion on the show. And like, how are you right now?
- [37:05]
Vincent Goodwill
You have to have that hushed hush tone.
- [37:08]
Teddy Mellencamp
Yeah, you got to take that. Very effective. Well, I mean, you want to be. Hey, how's it going? You doing all right? Yeah, I mean, but I really do. I've thought a lot about this, particularly with Rory, because I think he is often as good as anyone in this sport and giving you the good stuff. And so how do we find the room to give them a little bit of time to allow them to decompress? And if they want to go out and slam the trunk and say, I got nothing for you, we'll catch up down the road? That's where I think it's fair to say if we gave you the space, it wasn't unreasonable to ask where you were.
- [37:40]
Vincent Goodwill
Who's got more scar tissue? Rory with what happened at Augusta or Jordan Spieth what happened at the 12th when he lost to Danny Willett that year.
- [37:53]
Teddy Mellencamp
It's different, because what Spieth has here is the knowledge that he gets to come back until he no longer wishes to because he's won. And what Rory has is the weight of knowing that this rec. This represents the Holy Grail. This represents the conclusion of the slam. So I think there's. I think there's more weight on the shoulders of Rory. I Don't think he's. I don't think he's got the same. Like when you get to 12 in your speed, I don't know how you ever forget what happened in that moment. Now you could say, well, Rory had the same thing happen on 10. One wasn't as gory. You know what I mean? But that's an interesting one. I just think for speed, like, he's. He's unencumbered here of thinking, well, I gotta. I gotta figure out how to win, because I want to come back forever, you know, Greg Norman, Dan was going to win here, had many chances. And then the sand in the hourglass runs out, and that's it. You don't get to come back anymore. And that's the thing about this place, is the people that have had their moments and been so close, it's the kind of place you want to come back to forever. So I think the weight on Rory shoulders is clearly heavier. I think the damage that was done on 12, only Jordan knows that.
- [39:09]
Vincent Goodwill
Great to talk to you. This is the year we celebrate together. Yeah.
- [39:13]
Teddy Mellencamp
It's not me.
- [39:14]
Vincent Goodwill
Let's go. Come on.
- [39:15]
Teddy Mellencamp
If it's not me, I want it. I want it to be you. But really, what I mean is I. I want it to be.
- [39:19]
Vincent Goodwill
I know.
- [39:20]
Teddy Mellencamp
Last year. Last year, I. I mean, you probably have to go. Just tell me to shut up. But Tracy Wlson and I were talking because we were both in the same boat. I think she was 0 for 9 or 0 for 8, and we're like, I want it to be you. And then she won. And I'm like, oh, that's awesome.
- [39:32]
Vincent Goodwill
It's Tracy.
- [39:33]
Teddy Mellencamp
And then in my brain, I'm like, it's. There's no way we're both going to win. And she just did. So I really want it to be.
- [39:41]
Vincent Goodwill
Me, Dan, not you, Scott Van Pelt. Thank you, Scotty.
- [39:46]
Teddy Mellencamp
Always my man.
- [39:47]
Vincent Goodwill
Be well.
- [39:48]
Tamara Judge
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.
- [39:55]
Vincent Goodwill
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
- [39:57]
Tamara Judge
What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say, say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [40:27]
Greg Rosenthal
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
- [40:37]
Tamara Judge
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
- [40:42]
Greg Rosenthal
From the building of the corps that.
- [40:43]
Teddy Mellencamp
Included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to.
- [40:46]
Greg Rosenthal
One of the boldest coaching decisions in.
- [40:48]
Teddy Mellencamp
The history of the sport, I just.
- [40:50]
Tamara Judge
Felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and.
- [40:53]
Vincent Goodwill
Let the players know that we were.
- [40:54]
Tamara Judge
Here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
- [40:58]
Greg Rosenthal
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
- [41:05]
Tamara Judge
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it, come.
- [41:11]
Greg Rosenthal
Revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.
- [41:16]
Teddy Mellencamp
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
- [41:19]
Tamara Judge
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio.
- [41:22]
Greg Rosenthal
App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:32]
Vincent Goodwill
On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found, except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were 10 vile.
- [42:01]
Tamara Judge
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- [42:04]
Vincent Goodwill
Grotesque.
- [42:05]
Greg Rosenthal
Oh, my God.
- [42:07]
Tamara Judge
Oh, my God.
- [42:09]
Vincent Goodwill
Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now.
- [42:21]
Teddy Mellencamp
You feeling this too?
- [42:23]
Vincent Goodwill
A horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:31]
Teddy Mellencamp
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and.
- [42:36]
Vincent Goodwill
I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thomas.
- [42:41]
Tamara Judge
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I.
- [42:43]
Teddy Mellencamp
Have story after story to share.
- [42:45]
Tamara Judge
And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
- [42:48]
Vincent Goodwill
Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate. And JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's.
- [42:55]
Teddy Mellencamp
Gonna be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.
- [43:00]
Tamara Judge
We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
- [43:10]
Vincent Goodwill
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [43:21]
Teddy Mellencamp
I'm vibing, Julie.
- [43:23]
Tamara Judge
I'm ready to roll.
- [43:24]
Teddy Mellencamp
Listen to energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:32]
Vincent Goodwill
In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published.
- [43:36]
Tamara Judge
And he was unlike any first Canada had ever seen.
- [43:40]
Teddy Mellencamp
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail, 12 years in solitary.
- [43:47]
Tamara Judge
He went from an ex con to.
- [43:49]
Vincent Goodwill
A literary darling almost overnight.
- [43:52]
Tamara Judge
He was instantly a celebrity, he was.
- [43:55]
Greg Rosenthal
An adrenaline junkie, and he was the.
- [43:58]
Tamara Judge
Star of the show. Goboy is the gritty true story of.
- [44:02]
Vincent Goodwill
How one man fought his way out of some of the the darkest places imaginable.
- [44:06]
Greg Rosenthal
I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my rib. I had my guts all in my.
- [44:11]
Tamara Judge
Hands, only to find himself back where he started. Roger saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one. Rod from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts.
- [44:26]
Vincent Goodwill
Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app.
- [44:29]
Tamara Judge
Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [44:34]
Vincent Goodwill
Make way for Tim McMahon, ESPN NBA reporter, and you can see his or listen to his podcast on the Hoop collective, the band McMahon and the book, the Wonder Boy, Luka Doncic and the Curse of Greatness. Good to see you again, Tim. What kind of reaction do you think Luca gets tonight?
- [44:54]
Tamara Judge
Howdy, Dan. It is going to be a surreal night here in Dallas. And look, this is a heartbroken fan base to this day. Certainly a lot of anger, outrage in the wake of the trade that is starting to kind of turn into apathy. There will be nothing apathetic about the reception that Luca receives tonight. This is going to be a fan base that felt betrayed by this trade that is celebrating six and a half years of spectacular brilliance and mourning that it wasn't much, much, much longer than that. And then, you know, the Mavericks as a, as an organization, they're in this awkward spot, right? They dumped this dude. He didn't want out. He was closing on a house, his American forever home in Dallas, lost his earnest money. Not that he can't afford it, but, you know, this guy was locked in long term to Dallas, couldn't wait to sign the supermax contract. They dumped him in the middle of the night. They pretty much publicly shamed him on the way out. And now they've got to show Some appreciation. You like these? Oh, these are. These are classy.
- [46:01]
Teddy Mellencamp
Should.
- [46:02]
Tamara Judge
Should soothe any hard feelings. These are the shirts on the seats tonight. I don't know how to pronounce that last word. There's, you know, Versiv. I don't know. Havala, sa. The same version, whatever. Thanks for everything. In Slovenian. Should certainly soothe any hard feelings. It will be. I don't know how you say appreciate it, pal. Slovenian. You know, there will be a tribute video play, but, like, let's just call it like we see it. This is going to be extraordinarily awkward because the only way that the Mavericks could attempt to justify trading a generational talent as he approaches his prime was to dump on him was to cite the conditioning concerns, the culture concerns, you know, all those sort of things which mass fans didn't want to hear. You know, Luca certainly felt a certain way about it. And then, you know, Luca last night said he doesn't know how he's going to react. It's going to be emotional. He's used to being the enemy in arenas. He's used to kind of thriving off of that energy, as we saw last night. He's used to kind of going back and forth with fans on the road. He's not used to an entire arena wrapping rotary and wrapping their arms around him and. And, you know, kind of loving them up. And it'll be very interesting to see how he handles that.
- [47:24]
Vincent Goodwill
If Mark Cuban was still the majority owner, does this deal happen?
- [47:30]
Tamara Judge
Hell, no. No. 0.0% chance. Cuban tried to talk Nico Harrison out of it, but Cuban got a. I mean, a five minute heads up. There's this, you know, the equivalent of a handshake agreement on the deal by the time Cuban got a heads up on it. But no, when. When Cuban lost juice, that made this trade a remote possibility. And. And look, man, Mark Cuban, as the. Essentially as the general manager of the Mavericks for, you know, 20 some odd years, had plenty of personnel missteps going. When we go back to Steve Nash, the Porzingis trade ended up being a dud in Dallas. They completely bungled the Brunson situation. You know, I could go on and on. One thing he got right was that Luka Doncic was the guy to take the torch from Dirk. Luka Doncic was the guy to build around. And Cuban's strategy with Luca, you know, to just put it bluntly, was to kiss his butt and make sure he did everything possible to ensure that Luca was happy in Dallas long term. And I think that's a Reasonable strategy with this level of superstar. Luke is not the only superstar in the league who gets his butt kissed on a regular basis. But they went from kissing his butt for six years to stabbing him in the back in year seven, fresh off of finals appearance. There's no way that happens if Cuban's still in charge.
- [48:55]
Vincent Goodwill
You know, you speak about kind of enabling and kissing Lucas, but you write the book the wonder boy, the curse of greatness. We had Vincent goodwill from Yahoo. Sports on last hour and he said, because I was asking him about this behavior that Luca has, that he has 73 technicals in the last five years, most of anybody in the NBA. And Vincent said, you know, he's been enabled his entire life, probably hasn't been told no, and is used to getting his way. You were around him writing this book. Can you see any kind of relationship between how he's brought up and how he acts on the court?
- [49:37]
Tamara Judge
Well, I mean, listen, a lot of superstars around the NBA are enabled and, and Lucas flaws are as obvious as his talent. There's two main flaws. The conditioning concerns, which honestly is, is as much about diet as it is conditioning. You know, does the guy enjoy a postgame brusky or two ski? Yes. You know, his, his post game routine and sometimes his summer routine are way too similar to mine, which you can get away with as a sports writer. You can, you know, and. But you know what's crazy? I say, I was about to say you can't get away with it as an NBA superstar. But he, he's a five time first team all NBA selection who hasn't hit his prime. You know, he, he's been to the finals. He took another completely different supporting cast of the conference finals. And that's part of it is like you could tell him, hey, look, you got to change your approach. Look, you gotta lay off the refs. You know, like the petulance is not helping you, but it's hard to say, dude, you've got to really change your ways. When this dude was a legitimate MVP candidate before he could legally buy one of those beers in America. I mean, at the age of 20, he was putting up historically dominant numbers. His rookie year, he arrived and it was like he was an instant star and the ascension was quick. And it's hard to say, hey, what you're doing is not working when yeah, it was. I mean, was it perfect? You know, could, could he have been better? You could argue that, but it's hard to say his way didn't work when his accomplishments at the age of now 26 stack up with the very best who have ever played in the league.
- [51:11]
Vincent Goodwill
Tim McMahon, ESPN NBA reporter covering Luca's return to Dallas, the Lakers and the Mavs. 7:30 Eastern on the mothership. Mike Green, Doris Burke, Richard Jefferson will have the called in Tim's book the wonder boy, Luca and the Curse of greatness, now available online wherever books are sold. We were shocked with Luca. We were shocked with what happened in Denver. Both are hard to explain, but with Denver at the end of the season, tell me what the logic is to do this right now to fire your coach and gm.
- [51:46]
Tamara Judge
Yeah. And let's just be straight. You were shocked Luke was traded, period.
- [51:50]
Vincent Goodwill
Yeah.
- [51:51]
Tamara Judge
You're shocked that Malone was fired now.
- [51:54]
Vincent Goodwill
Yes.
- [51:54]
Tamara Judge
With a few games left in the regular season, like everybody. Like it was not a secret that there had been more than a cold war, like just, you know, pretty much warfare between Michael Malone and Calvin Booth. And the anticipation was, it's going to be one or the other this summer. Well, Josh Kroenke, you know, the. The face of the Nuggets ownership group, basically said, no, it's going to be both of them now. And what I was told is his explanation internally, you know, as he's meeting with people in the Nuggets organization was, hey, this was an unsustainable situation. It felt like, you know, the, the plane was. Was crashing and the co pilots were so busy bickering at each other and making it about themselves, talking about Michael Malone and Calvin Booth, that he just needed to, you know, get them both out of the equation. Now just looking at, from my perspective with Michael Malone, he's the most successful coach in Nuggets history, wins record, both regular season playoffs, a title. Two years ago, I would have thought that would have earned him the right to have one last crack at a playoff run to try to save his job. But Josh Kroenke decided, no, we need to get these guys out of the mix right now. And in his mind, that's the only way they're going to have a chance to salvage this season and put together a playoff run.
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Vincent Goodwill
Do you think Luca ends his career in Denver?
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Tamara Judge
Luca in Denver?
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Vincent Goodwill
I mean, I'm joking. Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to shock you.
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Tamara Judge
Listen, I've been shocked by Luca transactions before.
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Vincent Goodwill
Joker. Do you think Joker ends his career in Denver?
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Tamara Judge
You know, so one thing I always try to be careful about is putting words in somebody's mouth or speaking on something that I haven't spoken directly to a person about. So with that clarification, What I would say is everything about Joker is indicated that he's kind of cut from that dirt cloth, you know, that, that extreme loyalty, you know, like Dirk, he does have a championship. So it's not like he maybe will have to chase a ring somewhere else down the stretch of his career. So my guess would be that yes, he is a Denver Nugget from start to finish of his career. But I mean, if that situation melts down in Denver and he looks around and it's, you know, and he's playing on a mediocre team, I don't know. And, and you know what? Maybe, maybe he just says to hell with it. I'm gonna go ride some. Ride my horses in Serbia.
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Vincent Goodwill
I'll give you OKC or the field in the West.
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Tamara Judge
I still take Oklahoma City. And look, man, the Thunder are going to set the NBA record for the best point differential in a season that's not nothing. Have they done it? Have they made a deep playoff run? Obviously not. But this is a team that gave the Mavericks a hell of a series last year. The cumulative score in that series was even, by the way. Dead even. So gave the Mavericks the best fight in the Western Conference and then got significantly better. Bringing in Isaiah Hartenstein, bringing in Alex Caruso, two veteran role players, Caruso with championship experience that fit perfectly. And then internally, all their young guys got better, including the guy who's probably going to be the MVP of the league this year, Shea Gilder's Alexander, who by the way was spectacular in the playoffs last year. This dude is significantly better than he was last year as the MVP runner up, Jalen Williams first all Star appearance, you know, learn from a disappointing playoff run. So yes, I would take OKC against the field in the Western Conference. Having said that, literally from the 18 series on, they're going to be facing quality competition. They're going to be in a fight every single playoff series.
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Vincent Goodwill
And that loss by Minnesota last night was mind boggling and costly. How do you. I, I know they're a dangerous team, but they're dangerous to themselves as well, Tim.
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Tamara Judge
No doubt.
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Vincent Goodwill
I don't understand that you blow a lead that big.
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Tamara Judge
Well, and the Timberwolves biggest flaw by a country mile is they stink at closing games. They're a good comeback team, but protecting the lead, they're awful. And I think a big part of that is you have a young ascending star in Anthony Edwards who is very much still learning on the job, a brilliant talent, a guy who you love to have as the foundation piece of your franchise. But 23 years old and, and you know, he's not, he's not like a Luca or a LeBron or a Joker in the sense of like, just has this unbelievable natural feel. You know, those guys are like Jimi Hendrix. They pick up a guitar and they just feel it. They just know how to play it. Where Anthony Edwards is learning how to read sheet music and sometimes, like, I don't want to see that crap. And, and you know, he, his tendency is to lean into hero ball down the stretch of games and a lot of times that blows up in his face and the Timberwolves face. And that's why there might be a 7 seed or an 8 seed instead of a 2 or 3.
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Vincent Goodwill
Good to talk to you. Always great. Good luck with the book. Thanks for joining us, Tim.
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Tamara Judge
Appreciate you having me.
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