The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show Release Date: March 13, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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1. NFL Free Agency Frenzy

Timestamp: [02:43] - [15:03]

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the NFL free agency landscape. Daniel Jeremiah delves into recent moves, highlighting Mac Jones' transition to the San Francisco 49ers. He discusses the Patriots' strategic shift from Jacksonville to the 49ers, emphasizing the potential financial implications and roster rebuilding efforts.

Key Points:

• Geno Smith's Acquisition by the Raiders:
  Daniel Jeremiah explains, “Geno Smith is going to get a new contract or at least an extension where Geno Smith might be making at least $45 million” ([02:43]). This move grants the Raiders stability but comes at a significant financial cost.

• Sam Darnold's Contract Evaluation:
  Jeremiah assesses Sam Darnold’s signing as “a bargain because $55 million guaranteed out of a three or four-year $100 million deal” ([02:08]). He favors the deal, noting its potential for roster flexibility.

• Raiders' Franchise Tag Strategy:
  The discussion covers the implications of the franchise tag, with Geno Smith likely securing a two-year, $90 million deal ([02:27]).

• Seattle Seahawks' Reboot:
  Jeremiah praises the Seahawks for their proactive approach, trading Geno Smith for a third-round pick and signing Sam Darnold, signaling a fresh organizational philosophy aimed at championship contention ([07:14]).

2. NBA Spotlight: Utah Jazz and Laurie Markkanen Controversy

Timestamp: [05:00] - [14:35]

A significant portion of the episode addresses the Utah Jazz's recent actions concerning Laurie Markkanen. Greg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah dissect the NBA's "player participation policy" that led to the Jazz benching Markkanen despite his lack of reported long-term injuries.

Key Points:

• Markkanen's Benching and NBA Fines:
  Jeremiah questions the legitimacy of Markkanen's lower back injury, stating, “Markkanen was made available to play… if you have a legitimate problem, it shouldn't show up in an X-ray” ([07:14]). Rosenthal criticizes the vague terms used by the league, highlighting the lack of transparency.

• Implications of the Policy:
  The hosts discuss potential financial repercussions for the Jazz, noting fines escalate from $250,000 for a second violation to $1.25 million for subsequent offenses ([07:27]).

• Strategic Tanking for Draft Picks:
  Rosenthal suggests the Jazz are intentionally losing games to secure higher draft picks, questioning the team's long-term strategy ([07:43]).

Notable Quote:

• Daniel Jeremiah: “Those are very vague terms that could use some more explanation” ([07:27]).

3. Team Performance and Draft Prospects

Timestamp: [14:35] - [27:37]

The conversation shifts to team performances across various leagues and their implications for upcoming drafts. Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal evaluate the standings of teams like the Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets, and New Orleans Pelicans, assessing their chances in the draft lottery.

Key Points:

• Draft Lottery Odds:
  Washington, Utah, and Charlotte each hold a 14% chance for the top pick, while Washington leads with 13 wins, Utah with 15, and Charlotte with 16 ([12:04]).

• Cowboys' Inactive Free Agency Strategy:
  The hosts express skepticism over the Cowboys' minimal moves in free agency, pondering Jerry Jones' reluctance to aggressively pursue free agents and its impact on the team's competitiveness ([23:37]).

• Steeler's Strategic Moves:
  They commend the Steelers for trading a second-round pick for DK Metcalf and offering him the biggest non-quarterback contract in franchise history, signaling a proactive stance in team building ([34:41]).

Notable Quote:

• Greg Rosenthal: “Seattle's way of attacking it, I thought really said something about the focus of their front office” ([14:35]).

4. The Aaron Rodgers Dilemma

Timestamp: [27:37] - [35:53]

A heated discussion unfolds around Aaron Rodgers and his potential future in the NFL. The hosts explore various scenarios involving Rodgers, including possible moves to the Minnesota Vikings, Pittsburgh Steelers, or remaining with the Green Bay Packers.

Key Points:

• Vikings' Interest in Rodgers:
  Jeremiah speculates that if the Vikings approached Rodgers, their existing relationship with Kevin O'Connell could facilitate an immediate transfer ([28:02]).

• Impact on Team Dynamics:
  They debate how Rodgers joining teams like the Steelers or Giants would affect team performance and the broader NFL landscape, considering factors like age and quarterback synergy ([33:29]).

Notable Quote:

• Daniel Jeremiah: “If the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey, what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota? Aaron Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly” ([28:02]).

5. Audience Engagement and Polls

Timestamp: [13:58] - [14:29]

Greg Rosenthal and Daniel Jeremiah introduce interactive segments, including poll questions to engage listeners, such as renaming the NBA's player participation policy. They brainstorm potential names, ensuring the audience feels involved in the show's dynamics.

Notable Quote:

• Greg Rosenthal: “Paul, do you think we need a name for this rule?... How about the Kawhi Rule? Is that mean-spirited to name it the Kawhi Rule?” ([10:20]).

6. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Shows

Timestamp: [35:53] - [64:23]

The episode concludes with promotions for upcoming shows and podcasts hosted by the panelists, including Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio, Mark Seale and Nathan King's podcast projects, and other featured programs. These segments encourage listeners to stay connected through various platforms and tune into future episodes for continued sports analysis and discussions.

Notable Quote:

• Julie Stewart Binks: “Seven questions, limitless answers” ([63:49]).

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Final Thoughts: This episode of The Dan Patrick Show provides listeners with a comprehensive overview of current sports dynamics, particularly focusing on NFL free agency movements and NBA controversies. The hosts deliver insightful commentary, enriched with notable quotes and expert opinions, making it a valuable resource for sports enthusiasts seeking to stay informed on the latest developments.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Daniel Jeremiah: “Geno Smith is going to get a new contract or at least an extension where Geno Smith might be making at least $45 million” ([02:43]).
• Daniel Jeremiah: “If the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey, what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota? Aaron Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly” ([28:02]).
• Greg Rosenthal: “Seattle's way of attacking it, I thought really said something about the focus of their front office” ([14:35]).
• Daniel Jeremiah: “Those are very vague terms that could use some more explanation” ([07:27]).

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Transcript

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

Seven questions limitless answers. I'm Mark Seale.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Men's BIDS Last night, McNeese State, American University and Montana. No bids tonight. We are bidless tonight. Thursday night, Thursday afternoon. Couple other items here. Mac Jones is going to the 49ers. So that was the Patriots to Jacksonville to now the 49ers. Still awaiting what the number is going to be for Brock Purdy. It'll start with a five. I was told this yesterday that Geno Smith going to the Raiders. Geno Smith is going to get a new contract or at least an extension where Gino Smith might be making at least $45 million. So while we look at this, where the Raiders did well, they got Gino Smith, they got some stability. It's going to cost them. Now we look at what Sam Darnold signed for. Now that's a bargain because 55 million guaranteed out of a three or $100 million deal. You might have him for 27 and a half million dollars. I'll take that. You can start to rebuild your roster there. As for the Raiders, because the franchise tag is around $41 million, Geno Smith is probably going to get a 45 million. You know, maybe it's two years, 90 million, but Geno Smith's going to get paid by the Raiders from what I'm told. All right, we'll come up with a poll question. Play of the day, stat of the day. Watch some basketball. Last night the Thunder beat the Celtics. They're now 54 and 12. And this is one of those games where you couple that with Denver losing at home to Minnesota sga once again strengthening that MVP resume, the NBA find the Utah Jazz. Now, I'm watching this story and I'm going, I'm curious about this because Laurie Markkanen, who is an all star, he has sat out nine games. The NBA officially announced yesterday a $100,000 fine for the Utah Jazz for sitting him out of the team's games. Now, like I said, being an all star now you're the focus of the NBA. They want to make sure that you're going to be playing. And they call, they call them star players. Teams can be fine for star players, defined as any player who made an NBA all star game over the course of the last three seasons. And if you miss games, let's say you miss games nationally televised, the NBA cup games, or if a team representative says one thing about a player's absence while the official injury report says another. I was curious if Laurie Markkanen was injured. Well, apparently he's not. Long term. Star players shut down or near shutdown, which is defined as a star player stops playing or in the judgment of the league office, begins to play in a materially reduced role and this would affect the integrity of the game. Markin has missed the Jazz last nine games due to a lower back injury, but is generally understood to be healthy and ready to play. Okay, he's got a low. Who's the one who determined that he has a lower back injury? How do you prove that he doesn't have a lower back injury? And then who's the person who said, no, he's healthy and ready to play? If the league were to find the Jazz guilty of violating the policy a second time, it would be $250,000. A third offense would be $1.25 million. Each subsequent offense increases by a million dollars. After the fine was announced, Laurie Markkanen was made available to play in the Jazz game against the Memphis. They're obviously tanking. They would love to get Cooper flag in Utah, but I don't know how that works. If somebody says, hey, we want you to sit down like the competitor. I would. I would be like, no, hey, we, we really need you to sit down. Yeah, but I'm, I'm healthy. Yeah, but for the good of the team, can you sit out nine games with a lower back injury? And do they use the air quotes when they tell him, you've got. What's wrong with me? You've got a lower back injury? I do. Yes. You're gonna sit out for nine games?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's the stomach ache of school.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Sexy. You can't prove your stomach doesn't hurt.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. Yes, Don.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

And what goes into and or who's.

[Greg Rosenthal]

The panel in the league office that in the judgment of the league office and generally understood to be healthy and ready to play?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Those are very vague terms that could.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Use some more explanation.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We did ask the league office who's the one investigating this. Do you have an independent physician who flies all over the country to be like, all right, LeBron, bring out the groin. Let me see it. Yes, Paulie.

[Greg Rosenthal]

The Jazz are 15 and 51 since they started not starting Laurie Markkanen. They've lost nine of their last 10 games, and their odds are increasing every day. When you look at this rule, don't you think it's the don't push it rule? Lowry Marketin set nine straight games. If he sat three games, played, played a gun and then set another three, I don't think they would have find him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't, I have no, I, I didn't know that they had somebody who is kind of in a clandestine role, seeing if something's nefarious going on. Wait a minute, let me look at, you know, this is where somebody wins a, like a class action suit against somebody. Oh, I was in a car accident. And then they have those, you know, cameras, those investigators that they see some guy where he's out there swinging the golf club or, you know, he's changing tires on a semi and then they go, ah, we got you. I don't know if they're doing that with Larry Marketing where they visit his home and go, let me see, I took out the garbage. There's nothing wrong with his back. Is this a good thing? I guess I just, I, I, the shocking part is that Larry Marketin would go, okay, I if he did, because I think you have to go to him and say you're not healthy. I'm not. No. You've got a lower back injury. I do. Yes, you do. And we want you to sit out. We want to make sure you're healthy for next season when hopefully we get Cooper flag.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yes.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Todd, it's well intended by the league.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And I could certainly appreciate that with all the load management and stuff. But I still don't understand how you fully can approve something like that with. He does somehow have a legitimate problem that doesn't show up in an X ray or the average physician report.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm going to guess he doesn't have a legitimate injury. I'm guessing he might still have a lower back injury, but he's not allowed to sit out. Although didn't the Mavericks say with Anthony Davis with his injury now with Kyrie injured and they may shut him down. Well, why are you allowed to shut down Anthony Davis just because Kyrie got hurt? You need, you need to uphold the competitive balance of the league that Dallas can't go, ah, we're just going to roll some guys out there. You still, if Anthony Davis is healthy, you need to put him in the lineup here because what are you doing tanking? We'll just shut them down. We got nothing to play for but teams playing you or teams hoping that you put up a good fight against the team they're competing for. With the playoff spot. That's the competitive integrity of the game. Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Paul, do you think we need a name for this rule? I looked on the NBA's website. It's called the player participation policy. And you know, I don't like alliteration, even though my name is Paul Pabst. How about the Kawhi rule? We name it after a player. Is that mean spirited to name it the Kawhi Rule?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, how many times have the Clippers been fined for. I mean, Kawhi feels like he's always injured. When he's healthy is when they need to investigate.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Okay, then if you want to go back. The origin of this rule is 2010. The spurs and Popovich were fined $250,000. It was precedent setting because it hadn't been done before. He set Duncan, Ginobili, Parker and Danny Green in a nationally televised game against the Heat. That's the genesis of this entire.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, he told him to stay home. No game was in Miami. He's like, no, stay home. And then all of a sudden, it's like, David Stern goes, ah, it's going to cost you. Maybe we call it the Pop rule, but that's another p. Yeah. Before Ps. Yes. Seaton.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I definitely didn't see it coming.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Where?

[Greg Rosenthal]

The Utah Jazz, they need to tank. So they're like, all right, better get marketing out of there.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Then sit them. Sit them.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We got to lose these games.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's not like, you go, boy. If we don't sit him, we're going to be winning a ton of games.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I know. We're just going to be rolling through the rest of the league if we don't sit him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You know, it's kind of like when I'm looking at this one article and they say Markkanen is a quote. Star player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Has quotes around star player. Yeah. Oh, my God. I don't. I don't know if star player should have quotes around it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He was an All Star in 2023. Okay. It says star player air quotes. In this case, it has to have quotes because it's a designation, not an opinion.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

John, what if a player has incentive clauses about how many games they played or they do? So, like, what if loe marketing. I don't know what his contract is, but what if he's getting affected financially.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

By them telling him to sit? Well, he's not going to be an all star or first team, second team, third team. That's where you have to have 65 games. But I was just kind of surprised that do you think the opposition goes? Marketing plan? I don't think so. Now we have a chance. You're the Utah Jazz. Yes, Marvin.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And they're doing all this just to.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Get the eighth pick in the draft now? Maybe, maybe higher than that. Where do they stand with the Wizards in New Orleans?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Or maybe a message is sent.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, they got 15 wins. They got 15 wins.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

The lottery, you never know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Paul. Washington has 13 wins, Utah has 15, Charlotte 16 and New Orleans 18. Washington, Utah and Charlotte as of right now, would each have a 14 chance.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Number one overall.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So you're saying we got a chance. But if you said to Cooper, flag, where do you want to go? All right. He's from Maine, not going to the Celtics. If it's Washington, Utah, maybe Charlotte, because you've been at Duke. Maybe get to play with Alonzo Ball. I don't know. Not Lonzo Lamello. Lamelo. I can't keep it straight, even though I should, because there's only one. That's really good. Do you want to go to dc? No. No.

[Greg Rosenthal]

It's almost like going to the Jets.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think it's worse than the Jets.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, yes, it is.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yes. For sure.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Because I don't think the wizards have.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Won 50 games in my lifetime.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You mean in a season? Not total. In your lifetime?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, in a season, yes. I don't think they've won 50 games in my life.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We'll hear from Josh Allen coming up. Seaton, what's poll question for hour one?

[Greg Rosenthal]

It would be great if we. I don't know if we have enough options for it, but the new name.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

For that rule that you were just.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Talking about, that would be a lot of fun.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Maybe we can populate that a bit. Okay.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Pop. It's so funny. We're like a bunch of seals in here. I said pop in the front row.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And be like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Like we all saw the same pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Did you just say pop? Pop.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You pay us for this. For 12 year olds.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Poll question. Might you have?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, we haven't gotten into some of the quarterback situations just yet, but Mac.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Jones going to the 49ers.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah. He's a more interesting fella than I think it appears on the surface.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Do you think there'll be a 30 for 30 on Mac Jones one day? This could be a chapter of it. This could be.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He is. He is a wonderful case study and how luck and timing play into a.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Successful career at that position. Absolutely.

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

Something about Mary Poppins. Something about Mary Poppins. Exactly.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

This is so weird.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And not just about hockey.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Believe me, he does Energy Line with.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Nate and JSB is the name of.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The podcast and it's going to be.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

We'll have plenty of folks join us.

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has.

[Greg Rosenthal]

She has quite the Rolodex. Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hockey and try to do what energy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Lines are supposed to do.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I'm Mark Seale.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

[Greg Rosenthal]

The five families did not want us.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

To shoot that picture.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The first interview I've done in bed.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We sift through innumerable accounts.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

35 pages isn't very much.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Many of them conflicting. That's nonsense. There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened. And they said we're finished, this is over. Not only is not gonna work, you gotta get rid of those guys. It's a disaster. Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Tom Pelissero, NFL Network Insider Busy man the last few days here, Tom. Let me start with the winners and losers. If you were picking out one team where you go clearly did better than everybody else and then if I said give me the loser, who would you pick?

[Greg Rosenthal]

The winners and losers are always tough because a lot of the time the biggest free agent signings are the guys you see cut two years later. And some of those value type signings are the ones that work out the best. Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond. Nobody was talking about that. That was as impactful as anything. Vikings had a bunch of under the radar signings, I would say. I think that the teams that were active that's really at least made an impact on their teams this year. Look at the Patriots defensively getting Milton Williams. They had to pay a lot to get him. But a game record type. They're playing a new defensive scheme with Mike Vrabel. They also brought in Harold Landy who got released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel. Robert Spillane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean again, you'll see. We'll see what? Because these are all big money types of signings. But in terms of the Instantaneous impact. I think that you're going to see it there. I also would say I like at least the philosophy of what Seattle is doing and they've got some more moves that they're going to need to make. But in essence, you know, they've been going along with Geno Smith. They had, he had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do that with two years left. Just organizational philosophy. This year they came to him, they offered him a raise, they offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not respond well to their offer. At some point this went, wait a second, we can trade him for a third round pick and then sign Sam Darnold, who's a decade younger, coming off a Pro bowl for a little bit less money. We're just going to, we're going to do that, you know, and then DK Metcalf, you get, you get a second round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting, you know, year two for Mike McDonald. What I like about it is they were 10 and seven and they didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need a little bit more. It was, you know what, 10 and 7 is not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship with a coach who's the youngest in the league that we think could be really special here. You know, again, they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they get some more here in the coming days as well as through the draft. But I thought that the way that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it, I thought really said something about the focus of their front office.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly. Chicago did, you know, Washington did. And then you have the other end of the spectrum, the team that made you go.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Well, once again, I think that just anybody looking at this says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that it just makes you wonder what's their plan? You know, obviously they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian Schadenau were getting promoted to head coach. Matt Eberflu is coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them make some, you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday for a couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray and Kair Elam. But, you know, Murray had been a fine player, but that was a salary dump for Tennessee and Kyrie Elam had started like 12 games over three years. You know, that's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade they made last year from Carolina where, you know, they gave Up a fourth for a guy that they thought was a really top wide receiver in the draft, but he hadn't had any, you know, he hadn't had a lot of productivity. And so, you know, their biggest free agent signings at this point, I might be forgetting somebody off the top of my head, but, you know, Javante Williams, a running back who I was at the game in Dallas a couple of years ago when he had the best game of his career, but he had an injury, he's not quite had the same level of productivity. He just, you had to be sitting there and going, when Washington's making all these moves, right? They did at the deadline last year with the Marshawn Lattimore trade. They did it with the Debo Samuel trade this year, a Laramie Tunsil trade. They're going all in saying, hey, we got to catch up to the Eagles. We're going to cash in right now on a rookie quarterback contract for the Cowboys. They're locked in with Dak, they're locked in with cd. They got to figure out the Mica thing. And they're operating like a team, whether it's right or wrong, but doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility. And you just wonder, I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but you do wonder, okay, what's their plan for catching up in a really, really competitive division?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I don't know if this is true though, Tom, but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how smart they are. He is in the draft, free agency, okay, I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents. And they have done well in the draft, but I don't know why there have. It's like a college coach who doesn't believe in the transfer portal. You know, you got Dabo Sweeney at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the trend. You're like, you better get up to speed. But Jerry has never, they've never spent money. Who is it? Greg Hardy is their big free agent signing a decade ago.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That was a wild. Well, I saw that stat that that's the last one they signed to a contract above, what, like $8 million per year in free agency. That. That feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg Hardy side story we don't need to get into there. But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in most cases slower to get their long term contracts done. And the problem with that, we see it over and over is when you wait on these deals, all that does is give more leverage to the player, whether it's because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like, why Does Dak make 60 million? I see people say it all the time, how Does Dak makes 60? Josh Allen signed 55. It's about leverage. Dak played out a franchise tag. They were at risk of having to tag him a second time, which they did until the paperwork went through. And then he played toward the end of that deal and he had all the leverage in this case. Know the same thing with CD last year where Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're seeing him with Micah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out, you know, whether it was, you know, forget about last year, you jump out in March and just say, you know what? We're, we're going to get this deal done with Micah, you know, you're probably talking about, hey, we get that about what the Max Crosby number was, right? Which is like 35, 35 and a half million dollars a year. Now miles Garrett gets 40. You know, Micah Parsons agents are sitting there going, great, we'll sit back and wait and see if we get 41. And now you potentially have another offseason where it's dominated by what's going to happen with Micah. You know, it would give me the indication that they're at least open to exploring whether or not they would trade him. I know they've had internal discussions about, okay, what's the right thing to do when, if you sign him for 40 million plus, that's going to give you a super top heavy type of a roster here. It's just that's, that's kind of the Cowboys way of doing business. And I, I definitely understand the frustration of fans who are just going, what's the plan to get better again when you're chasing literally the super bowl champs who arguably have the best roster in football.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Tom Pelissero, NFL Network Insider the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint. Why don't they just come out and say, we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers? Like you've already said to J.J. mcCarthy, we're moving on from Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey, what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota? Aaron Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly. I mean, that's. Yes, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron Rodgers have a relationship. They're both the same age, believe it or not. They are both California guys. They've known each other for years. They talk, they text. But you drafted J.J. mcCarthy last year, 10th overall, with the philosophy of exactly what, Like I was talking about with Washington, where you got a young guy on a cost controlled rookie contract. You can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use draft picks, you can go, we're going to try to win right now by taking advantage of the fact that we've got the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers, I believe, would come and play for, you know, not very much money at all in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path for J.J. mcCarthy at that point. You know, it would be different if Sam Darnold were coming back off the year he had. They made him an offer. Seattle offered him way more money. He's gone. Daniel Jones, they tried to bring back to give themselves an option here, just because J.J. mcCarthy is in a very rare position where not only did he not play as a rookie, he didn't take a rep the whole season. And there's no precedent for that. But once those two options went away, my understanding has been the most likely scenario, highly likely, is that J.J. mcCarthy is going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue a backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly? I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything out publicly. Is there some scenario here where, I mean, think about this, Dan. J.J. mcCarthy has a setback in rehab. I'm not saying he has. I'm saying if that were to happen right, in May or he tweaked something in OTAs and Aaron's sitting out there still wandering in the sand, maybe you go, hey, this is, this is exactly the type of opportunity here, you know, And I think that, you know, from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's only one person inside his head and Aaron's deep inside there. You know, he's got to make up his decision about what he wants to do. Does he really want to play? And at some point, some of the options that he's got right now potentially are going to go away. I mean, because right now Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today. If all of a sudden the Browns and I don't know that this is going to happen, but let's say the Browns decide, we'd like to make you an offer, we'd like to bring you in. And now all of a sudden the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot from Brett Favre, and when Brett Favre went from the jets to the Vikings, he signed on August 18th in 2009. We can't sit here and just wait. We don't want to lose. Russell Wilson would be plan C because Justin Fields is plan A. We don't want to go from A to B to C to whatever is D. We need to do something right now. That's where the teams at some point might need to move forward. It hasn't happened yet, but that time is coming here. And as much as Aaron might feel like he needs to meditate on this and really get in touch with all the different factors in his life, at some point it's, you got to make a decision and time will tell how much, how much least the teams are willing to give them to do that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building if I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey Russ, let's make this work. You can show Pittsburgh we'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh here and you know, whatever your reclamation tour. And I wonder if the Steelers could be kind of, let's say Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what? I'm going to play for the Giants. Like Pittsburgh could be Duck, Devlin or whoever. Like I, I don't know what plant, gardener, Minchu or Jewel. Like, they could be down to plan D here.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I love a good Devlin, Duck Hodges reference in the morning. Dan. Yeah, I mean, listen there, there are some other things out there, but yeah, let's, let's game this out. Let's game out the situation that you just did, which I, I talked through with some people this morning, let's say, and I don't know what's going to happen, let's say the Browns sign Russell Wilson today. Now the Giants and the Steelers are waiting on one guy who may or may not even decide that he ultimately wants to play football in 2025. Your other options beyond that are you try to get Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where that's still an evolving situation. There he's do 27.5 fully guaranteed, another 10 million for 2026 vests if he's on the roster come Sunday. The Falcons don't seem concerned about that at all because they figure, hey, another 10 million invest two years from now he'll probably make that and it'll be offset anyway. So not a big deal. They're going to wait. But Kirk also has a no trade clause. He might not want to go to certain teams that might have an interest in him. So that's one option. Then after that you're into is Joe Flacco a starter in the NFL somewhere this season? Jameis Winston, Drew Locke is still out there. You try to make something out of Trey Lance. I mean your option, your list of options are getting shorter here. I don't know frankly if any of these options, Dan, they're big names. I don't know if any of these options are stuff that fans are going to, you know, blow up the phone lines or get online and buy tickets to go see 41 year old Aaron Rodgers, 36 year old Russell Wilson, 4041 year old Joe Flacco. I don't know that any of these are, you know, the options that are going to like spur you. Not the way it did when the jets traded for Rogers a couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks and in a quarterback draft where there is very little certainty beyond Cam Ward, probably be in the first quarterback and quite possibly the number one overall pick, you know, at least locking in somebody who you know can go out and function in offense and get the ball to your playmakers gives you a little bit more option.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But can they afford, can they afford another 9 and 8 season? Can Mike Tomlin afford another 9 and 8? Maybe you make the playoffs and you bow out again in the first round.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I think Mike Tomlin has a very unique situation in Pittsburgh and I've talked with our Rooney for it before. Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and his grandfather was as long long as the coach's voices still resonate in the locker room, you feel like people believe in him, they're not going to move. But I would say this, the Steelers are not standing pat. They just traded a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf and gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback in franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here. If I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now, I definitely want to know who's throwing me the football. Russell Wilson. Listen, he's 36, he doesn't move as well, he doesn't throw the ball as well in the middle of the field as he used to. He doesn't have the same escapability. If there's one thing he does, it's throw the ball to the perimeter, 50, 50 balls. Let your big receivers go and get it. Well, the Steelers have the biggest outside receivers in the game right now with Pickens and Metcalf here, I know that people are going to look at that and say it's not a really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's where this ends up, it does make some sense to give it one more shot. Hope Russ is healthy and could find, you know, 17 games like he thought about those first four or five that he played last year.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Any chance? Well, I guess the Niners are going to sign Brock Purdy, right? That. That's not in doubt.

[Greg Rosenthal]

They're negotiating. They have had negotiations, exchanged bargaining proposals. I would anticipate that they are going to get Brock Purdy side as for Mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going. They obviously there was a lot of discussion about them taking him in the draft in 2021. They ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade for Mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville, but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided to send him to the Jaguars instead. So this is like the third swing that Kyle Shanahan and company have made at bringing in Mac Jones. And listen, if something were to happen to Brock Purdy, if he were to get banged up, I think they'd feel good about Mac Jones going in. But this does not bear, from my understanding on the Brock Purdy negotiations, they still want to get him locked up for the long haul. If you look at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down year for him last year, he's still one of the most efficient quarterbacks in football. The key is going to be what's that number? At a time that we think about this, Dan, the highest paid quarterback two years ago in the NFL, for a brief moment was Jalen Hurts. At 51 million a year, he is now the 10th highest paid quarterback. You wonder where's all those cap dollars go? The Caps. It's loaded by 25%. Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thanks for spending time and I know you're busy. Thank you again, Tom.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You got it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's the hall of Famer, three time super bowl champ of the Niners. Steve Young back on the program. Steve, we were wondering, did you ever have a full time job aside from being a football player when you got out of high school and you went to byu, did you ever have a job like, you know, some of 99% of the rest of Americans where maybe you washed dishes or something? So Todd, let me start with you. Steve Young. Did he have a job, and what job was it?

[Greg Rosenthal]

I think he did have a job, and it was some kind of paralegal or something with a law or something along the line.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay. All right, all right.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

High end. Oh, no way.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got to go around the room. Everybody gets a guess here. But, you know, keep in mind he grew up in Greenwich, Connecticut.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Mean streets.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Mean streets of Greenwich. The other side of the tracks in Greenwich. Okay. Seaton.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, boy. Yeah, that really changes things, doesn't it? I think he has had a job.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I think it was more like working at someone's store.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Store. Okay. Marvin, the great one, worked at a car dealership. Car dealership.

[Greg Rosenthal]

All right, Paul, I'm gonna go real specific. When he's young, a caddy in Greenwich. And when he was in college, probably like an internship with a hedge fund.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Or something, I'm gonna say probably had a paper route, and I'm gonna say that he worked. I'm gonna say he worked for his father, Steve.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

All right, so the Young family had the famous paper route. I started it for years. That was when we were little. That doesn't really count. But I'm giving you the credit for it, because I got to tell you the story that my brother, the worst day of the paper route was when he had to go collect the money and knock on the door and ask for the $30 for the Greenwich Times as a pain. And one day, my brother told my mom, I'm not doing it, she got so sick of it. And this is great story where my mom punches my brother as hard as.

[Greg Rosenthal]

She could and puts him back against the wall.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

And we laugh about it today that my mom, who is the greatest peacemaker of all time, who would never hear to flee, somehow got so enraged because my brother would not go collect for the Greenwich Times, she punched him. So anyway, I was in high school and in college, I worked all summers with landscape company Bucky Lanzarone man in Greenwich, Connecticut. And I ran a whole truck of guys. And. And the funny thing about Greenwich is you pull up to these big places, these big estates, you know, to go cut their lawn, and all the mom's like, come inside. The landscapers are here. We don't want to mix company. And I was like, you know, it was. It was rough and tumble back then. Yeah, that was my job. The hedge fund thing is great. Yeah, that works. Sure.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay. If you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm going to make you Aaron Rodgers, and I'm going to give you the Opportunity for Pittsburgh in New York with maybe the possibility of the Vikings. What would you do?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I'd sprint to the Vikings if possible. I'm. You know why Sam would leave a place where he knows he's going to thrive? Maybe because they had to. They told me what you'd have a spot, but you've got to find Dan in today's game. You've got to find a place where someone has left Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh or Andy Reid and understands the new kind of run to the future that is necessary to be great for quarterbacks. And then you got to run to those teams. And that's what Sam found in San Francisco briefly as a backup and that as a starter in Minnesota. So I'd run to McConnell as fast as any of. Because that's what you. If you're going to have. If you're going to thrive in today's game, especially with what all that. Aaron knows he was, he was born and raised in a more sophisticated era of the NFL. He could take advantage of him. That's why Tom Brady, I think we've talked about this before. Towards the end of his career, I ran into him in a Monday night game and I go, what's the difference between the old before the world changes and now he goes, well, now the flats are always open, the middle of the field is unpatrolled and no one can hit me. And so Aaron understands that like that's why people can play in their 40s because we know we learned in a more sophisticated time. So get to a place that understands the future and go dominate. I don't. Look, that's, to me, that's an obvious one. If that's a chance, okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But does Pittsburgh make sense for him if they want him? No.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yeah. To go win some games. Yeah. But they're not built. They don't, they have not run to the future as far as the quarterback position. And those are the teams that are in the super bowl every year. They're in the championship game every year. Then they go deep in the playoffs. And so I would say, yeah, go on with your bad stuff. If you don't want to play, you know, you don't want to retire. I'm not, I'm not done. Look at playing, playing Pittsburgh's amazing. I mean, it's, you know, they're going to win a lot of games. They always do and he can help them win more. But I just, I think the way I see the game today, the way the NFL is built, you know, you Got, you know, New York Giants. No. No.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay. But are the Eagles in that same blueprint that you're talking about? Because.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yeah. Look, Dan, I know you're trying to trick me here and try to catch me on my. My little theory. Yes. Because they have a quarterback that's still, you know, is going to threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They've got a unique way to run the football, just like the 49ers did, and I give them credit for that. But the idea that you're now going to go win Super Bowls by playing great defense in a running game is just not the way that it's going to get done. You have a very dynamic quarterback position, which they do have, and I think that's where they are, a team of the future in that way. They have a unique way to do it with Saquon, which I give them as an anomaly. But, you know, the idea that today's game, you can throw together a number one defense and a great running game and go win the super bowl doesn't happen.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But if I gave you Saquon Barkley or Justin Jefferson.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Stupid bar fights, like, you know. Yeah, I. In today's game, Justin Jefferson with a great, innovative offensive mind and a quarterback that understands the position that can really thrive. Those are the guys that go. So I'd go that way.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Did you call it a stupid bar fight? That. Well, that's what is going on. This is what I do for a living.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I know, but sometimes you just gotta. You gotta admire and just stand back and just say, look, people are great, and I don't want to have to pick, you know. You know how hard it is to be great, and then you want to pick between great, like, I don't know. So it's a bar fight.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's just a fun philosophical question. As a quarterback, who do you want? The guy right behind me. Let's.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Let's do more of it. Let's what? Can we talk about Muhammad Ali versus what you want to do?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You call it better quarterback. You are Montana.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

See, I knew I didn't even have to. I was just sitting here going. I know he's going, so just listen.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You made me do that.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I was headed to mom and Ali. I was trying to get you off track.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Do you get a Christmas card from Joe Montana's family?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

No, but I don't. I mean, look, don't try to. We never fought. We didn't. We never had a fight. We never had a disagreement. We never.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I just asked about a Christmas card.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yeah, no, I'm just trying to say I'm trying to get ahead of you now because I was trying to get you off, but now I'm trying to get ahead of you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Steve Young, the Hall of Famer, joining us on the show. You are on record, I think, beginning of February where you talked about the Niners need to make or not make maybe. That sounds strong. Brock Purdy take advantage of his legs. He's not Jaden Daniels, but I think your quote was he could be 80% of Jaden Daniel. You truly believe that?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I do. I think he's nifty, right. He's got. You saw him in the pocket. He move around. He can, he can carry the football out of the huddle. I, look, I don't want to go back over it again, but because the field is, has gotten bigger, essentially because of the rule changes, you can't launch your body at defenders, can't patrol the field as well as they can. It's, it's. The game is quarterback position has to threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They don't need to go do it, but the threat needs to be there. It's too powerful. And the players that, the quarterbacks that are doing that every play are the ones that are thriving. And so for Brock, he can threaten the line of scrimmage essentially as fast or as strong or all the stuff that other guys do, but he can do it. And I think you have to lead into it because if you don't threaten the line of scrimmage, all you're going to do is be a processing, a phenomenal processing quarterback. And every play is out of the huddle and we're going to just complete lots of passes. Then you're going to have to go the retail way. Right? We have to go the long way. In today's game, there's shortcuts everywhere and you got to take advantage of them. And, and, and so I think he can do more of that. And I think that. And as they try to iterate. Look, when the world changes happened, there was three guys that ran to the future. Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh. And every coach that come out that's been thriving in the NFL has come from those guys. And, and they've all kind of. They had a tactical advantage for six, seven, eight years. That tactical advantage is gone now. There's too many guys out there teaching the same thing. So there's got to be a new iteration of it, a new, you know, kind of reinvent yourself and so for Kyle and Brock, to me it's leaning into threatening the line of scrimmage with him carrying the football. I know that sounds scary to people and that's how he gets hurt and all that kind of stuff, but in today's game, you have to do it or if you're going to be championship football.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

If you look at the amount of money that the quarterbacks make and they defer, you know, they restructure their deals, at what point do you think a quarterback should have a say in what is done with the money that they're freeing up? Like Mahomes, Josh Allen.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Should they be able to have input in free agency?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Look, given enough time, in a million years, all sports leagues will be owned by the players. Right. Because they're the ones that are on the field. They'll be the equity owners. It's inevitable. Over a million years. It's just that football is going to be a really long time. But I think that in that sense, players, especially the ones that you've invested to be the pillars of your team, should be included. Should be included. Those personnel conversations should be included in the draft. The biggest mistake. And I told Aaron Rodger, I told Tom, I told anyone I could that the biggest mistake I made was not. Look, I don't want to say that I did want to do unnatural things and walk in and tell them, you better draft that guy or you better take care of me or you better. No, but I wish that I would have gone into the, into the room and had a say and had the conversation and talked through it and tried to make sure that we were, you know, as a, as a quarterback, trying to advocate for what felt like we needed to try to take care of. And I am, I encourage players to do it with the right spirit, with the right, you know, the way to do it with tactically that's appropriate and that kind of thing. But, but absolutely, Dan, if you're going to do a quarterback, you know, team friendly deal over many, many years, you better. You got to tell me that you're going to be part of those conversations. Absolutely.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, you can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers felt when he's watching the draft and they decide to take Jordan Love and they gave him a five minute heads up.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

There's tough moments. Look, I'm not, I'm not even trying to avoid that or like, oh, don't, you know, I'm going to go and advocate. You better not do. I'm not talking about threatening. What I'm trying to do is Build a partnership in personnel. Because what I. What my experience was, and I'm sure it's still the same, we watched every play, every draft class come in the first ota, and we, as players, we all look at the guys that they drafted. I'm like, oh, he's pretty good. Or, oh, no, he sucks, you know, right away. And like, as players, what if we have that sense in 15 minutes? I'm overstating it, but in a very short amount of time, why would we not be invited in to at least give an opinion about what we see in a certain player, a certain thing? I can think of Gino Kamazi or. I mean, like, we had lots of draft guys at quarterback. Like, what, you maybe let me work the guy out. Why wouldn't you have the quarterback? Like, that's. To me, that's a big mistake that the league continues to make and not, you know, kind of getting the opinion of the players that are on the field.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't know how much you solve Shador Sanders the past two seasons, but it feels like, you know, we get to this point of leading up to the draft, and then you start to get opinions, like, we build you up and then we tear you down. And it certainly happens at that position. And I don't know how much of a role or factor in Deion Sanders with Shador Sanders, or maybe teams are, you know, saying negative things so he'll slide a little bit, which I always find amazing. That, wow, we're not going to take him now. They said, you know, some bad things about him. What do you think of Shador Sanders as an NFL quarterback?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I feel like we better talk about Dion for a second because it's so much a part of the conversation. And I think I've. I shared this with you, but if I haven't, I'll do it really quick. When he joined the 49ers, he pulled me aside and said, steve, I am the best teammate you'll ever have. I show up every day. I'm ready to practice, I'm ready to play. I'll always be there, and I have your back. That's set. Now, the rest of it is a parade that I want you to just get some popcorn and enjoy, because it's going to be a good time, you know, and it's exactly what he did. So I take that, and it's exactly who he was and who I think he is today. It's a. It's. There's a parade and get your popcorn and enjoy the parade. I think Shador is part of that, part of that same philosophy, right? It's like there's a parade, enjoy, and popcorn, everything. But is he ready to play football? Is he going to do the hard work? Is he going to be in the classroom studying and memorizing and getting ready to. I think those are all things that his dad would say, hey, buddy, you better. You better be ready to play ball. And so in that way, I'm not going to listen to the noise. I think that, sure, it's going to be a. The question is about the. The pure raw talent. It's not going to be about his work ethic, his ability to, you know, put the time in to all that kind of stuff. I have no, I have no worries about that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But, you know, we used to say you had to be 6, 4. You know, we're looking for that guy who's 6, 4, 6.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

The prototype Dan was in the pocket delivering the football. That was because the game was different. The game is now. Like, if you. How many teams are still in the past, like, it is now a time where the quarterback has to leave the huddle every day down with a threat to attack the line of scrimmage and make the defense worry that they're going to get free first downs and free touchdowns and every great quarterback today, the prototype is a guy that can run around, throw it all over the field, but yet can still do the traditional job of sitting in the pocket delivering the football. That's the. That's Patrick Mahomes. That's the guy. And. And Shador you. He definitely fits the prototype. It might not be size and weight exactly, but absolutely a prototype kind of player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Give me the guy, the guy who was successful as a quarterback, where you go, it didn't make sense, but he, he made it work. Like, Drew Brees always amazed me because I go, yeah, how. How does he do this? And, you know, he was always had his head up. I mean, he was always looking downfield, always. But is there somebody that you played with or against? And you go, I don't know how he does it because it's just at his size, it's unique.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Well, yeah, I mean, when I, When I met Russell Wilson and I was like, oh, my gosh, that dude. I mean, I didn't realize how much taller I was. That made me feel good. Like, I was like, dominate here, but it's anyone. But I, I admire people that are shorter that can play the game because, you know, there is the element of, you know, kind of visibility.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But Drew Brees doesn't make sense because he's not fast, he's not quick. But he.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

But. But he lived in. He lived in an era where processing was the king.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

It was the only king. And in today's game, processing is vital. But that's not all you have to have. You have to have the ability to run around, threaten the line of scrimmage. That's what I'm trying to tell you is it's different. If you talk about a player that stood in one place his whole career, back in the prototype days of a previous prototype, I don't know that that person would thrive in today's game. It's just that different.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Would you be a Hall of Famer in today's game?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

This is. Dan, come on. This is my game. I mean, I was an oddity back in the day. I was the guy that was like, oh, he's a scrambler.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

You know, Bill Walsh was the only one that I remember, and luckily I was close to him that looked at me in the eye and said, look, because you can run, you're going to be better. I believe it makes you more powerful. It makes you like the other one else was like, this is an oddity. Tie his legs up. You can't move. It's stupid. We don't need any. His crazy scrambling, crazy guy like I was. I was absolutely an oddity in today's game. It is. I am. I am the prototype, Dad. I am. I am ready to go. Just give me a call and I'll.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Are you better than Lamar Jackson in today's game?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Well, no, it's still what is. Okay, here we go. You can't help but, can you? It's like. It's like you're drawing like a. Like a fly to the. To the moy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Why are you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You're fired up today, like you.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I don't know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You make me want to test you a little bit here. I mean, that's all I doing, I would say.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

While we're on with Lamar, you know, he's one of my favorites, and I think he is the absolute prototype. And his. His greatness is not still yet found because he hasn't found the to be great. You need lots of help, innovative minds and offense today with lots of talent around you that can run all over the field like they're getting closer. Baltimore finally capitulated a couple years ago and said, okay, we're in. We're going to get out of this sophisticated running game. We're going to come, we're commit, we're going to get you some, some, some, you know, offensive minds that are going to help you thrive as a quarterback. And if, and get some talent out of the wide receiver and really kind of down they're halfway. They're 60% of the way there of who Lamar Jackson could be. And if you want to compare, he's. If we raced my peak in his peak, he's quicker. There's no doubt, man. He can make people miss. I can make people miss, but not like him. But if we raced. Hello. I don't know. I don't know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You mean like a forty or a hundred?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I think like a forty or even a thirty, you know, I mean like rate, like top end speed. You know what I mean? I don't know. We'll see.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I was, I was sneaky. I was sneaky. I ran down a lot of interceptors and then I cleaned up my mess. I know. I, I look, have Tom look it up. No one ever. I pick six was unheard of with me. Never.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Who would be.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I was cleaning it up, but I could chase them down and I dragged down a lot of.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Who would be better at delivering papers. Who would be faster, you or Lamar Jackson?

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Be tight, man. Collection day.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then you got to bring your mom.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Who knows? You can't get people the door. The kid can't find his mom. They don't have the money. I mean it could get really bucked up.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I hope I didn't set the tone for your day or ruin your day because, you know, it's early.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

This is therapy for me, Dan.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

No one wants to talk football at my house.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

This is like you're surrounded by women.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I know. It's just they love, they love the game because they, you know, like Taylor Swift said it was okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So they're like, yes, Todd.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Steve Young during his NFL career.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

No, Todd. No, no, no. And find out if there was a pick six.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I'm not doing that, Todd. I have the number of pick sixes. I thought that's what we wanted to do. We need. No, we need. He brought it up. What is it?

[Greg Rosenthal]

11 interceptions returned for touchdowns.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Wow. Wow. Wow.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

It's impossible.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Wow.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

That is impossible. You know what? That's what scares me a little bit, Dan, is that when you live in your own little private Idaho and you think, you know what this is how great you were.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Great. Until you got on this call over in the corner.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

This just wants to just, you know, tear you down.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Out of 139 interceptions, Todd, can you see how many Montana threw Pick sixes here. We gotta go. We have to go.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's the best.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thank you, buddy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. What's up everyone? Julie S.W. binks here, along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right? Exactly.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And you'll never know who will drop.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Listen to Energyline with Nate and jsb.

[Greg Rosenthal]

On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Julie Stewart Binks]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if you ask two different people the same set of questions? Even if the questions are the same, our experiences can lead us to drastically different answ. I'm Minnie Driver and I set out to explore this idea in my podcast. And now Mini Questions is returning for another season. We've asked an entirely new set of guests our seven questions, including Jane Lynch, Delaney Rowe and Cord Jefferson. Listen to Mini questions on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

Seven questions, limitless answers.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

The thing, I spoke with more actors.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Musicians, policymakers and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

I love writing more than anything, you're left alone. You know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And write at night.

[Julie Stewart Binks]

And after nine hours, you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen to here's the thing on the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.