The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Title: The Dan Patrick Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Episode: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show
Release Date: February 10, 2025

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1. Introduction

In this standout episode of The Dan Patrick Show, Dan Patrick and his co-hosts delve deep into the dramatic outcomes of the recent Super Bowl, offering expert analysis, spirited debates, and insightful commentary. Featuring esteemed guests like Bill Cowher, Devin McCourty, and Lewis Riddick, the episode provides a comprehensive look at the strategies, performances, and implications of the game between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs.

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2. Game Analysis: Eagles vs. Chiefs

a. Defensive Performance

Dan Patrick opens the discussion by highlighting the impressive defensive showdown that defined the game. He emphasizes the Eagles' ability to dominate the Chiefs without relying on blitzing, stating:

“Mahomes was under pressure. ... the Eagles defense ... you still win with defense. And you saw that last night.” [00:26]

Cooper DeJean concurs, noting the significance of the Eagles' defensive line:

“The defense, the defensive line ... manhandled the offensive line of the Kansas City Chiefs.” [16:31]

b. Quarterback Performances

The performance of quarterbacks was a central theme. Patrick critiques Patrick Mahomes' underwhelming performance under pressure:

“Mahomes was under pressure ... Couple interceptions there at the end of the first half which I really think changed the game.” [02:26]

Conversely, Jalen Hurts receives high praise for his leadership and effectiveness:

“Jalen Hurts was wonderful. ... If you're going to hand out an MVP, that's one of those where it's really the defense. ... give it to a defensive lineman.” [02:56]

c. Coaching Strategies

Coaching decisions, especially from Andy Reid, were subject to scrutiny. Dan questions the lack of halftime adjustments:

“... you get the ball first. Now we got ourselves a game and it never happened that way.” [32:56]

Bill Cowher provides his perspective on the Chiefs' coaching, emphasizing the decision to minimize blitzing:

“We were heavy man to man blitz... we're going to give them a totally different game plan ... it's like, why would we even think about calling a blitz?” [30:56]

d. MVP Considerations

The discussion turns to potential MVP candidates, with an emphasis on collective defensive efforts over individual accolades:

“To me, it's the collective effort of a defensive line when you can do a four man rush and get that kind of pressure...” [21:02]

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3. Poll Segment: Best and Worst Performances

Marvin and Dan engage the audience with poll questions about standout performances from the game.

Best Performers:

• Jalen Hurts: Recognized for a stellar game, Marvin praises Hurts' ability to lead the team effectively.

  “Jalen hurts did a great night.” [05:43]

• Vic Fangio: Despite limited airtime, Vic Fangio's strategic decisions receive acknowledgment.

  “He didn't need to dial anything up.” [05:47]

• Josh Sweat and Cooper DeJean: Both players are lauded for their defensive prowess.

  “Josh Sweat had a great night for himself.” [06:35]
  “Cooper DeJean had a great night.” [07:19]

Worst Performers:

• Tom Brady (Broadcaster): Critiqued for his performance as a broadcaster rather than on the field.

  “Tom Brady, the quarterback, had a great night.” [07:21]
  “I don't think Brady should be doing that.” [09:47]

• T-Mobile Advertisements and Fox Graphics Team: Unexpectedly included in the worst night category.

  “Fox graphics team took up too much space.” [11:07]

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4. Guest Insights

a. Bill Cowher's Analysis

Hall of Famer Bill Cowher offers a seasoned perspective on the game’s pivotal moments. He underscores the impact of key interceptions and the Chiefs' failure to adapt:

“The Chiefs were going to have a chance to go there, score and then get the ball after halftime ... that interception kind of sealed it.” [30:28]

Cowher criticizes the Chiefs' lack of offensive adjustment and the ineffective rush against Jalen Hurts:

“They never truly tried to adjust.” [32:16]

b. Devin McCourty's Thoughts

Devin McCourty discusses the importance of team synergy and the physical demands of high-stakes games. He emphasizes how the Eagles' cohesive defense overwhelmed the Chiefs:

“Philly imposed their will on Kansas City ... they can't do anything.” [47:37]

c. Lewis Riddick's Perspective

Lewis Riddick examines the strategic missteps that led to the Chiefs' downfall, particularly focusing on offensive line vulnerabilities and quarterback pressure:

“Patrick can't get it done just all on his own.” [46:15]

Riddick also touches on the broader implications for team management and player retention in the NFL:

“If he doesn't [trade Miles Garrett], good luck getting a new stadium.” [50:22]

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5. Off-season Speculations

The conversation shifts to potential moves and strategies for the upcoming NFL season. Key topics include:

• Patrick Mahomes' Legacy: Discussions around Mahomes' standing among the all-time greats and the impact of consecutive Super Bowl losses.

  “When Tyson got knocked out by Buster ... Mahomes with the ball game on the line ... that's a big hit on his legacy.” [46:15]

• Aaron Rodgers' Future: Speculation about Rodgers' potential moves, including the possibility of joining the Pittsburgh Steelers.

  “Could he play in Pittsburgh? Yeah, I mean, I don't know...” [27:44]

• Miles Garrett's Trade Demand: Marvin expresses curiosity over Garrett's trade request and its implications for teams like the Detroit Lions and Kansas City Chiefs.

  “Where does Miles Garrett end up and does Cleveland actually let him go?” [50:03]

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6. Concluding Remarks

Dan Patrick wraps up the episode by reflecting on the lessons from the Super Bowl, emphasizing the quintessential team nature of football. He underscores the necessity of balancing offensive strategies with robust defensive plans to achieve sustained success.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dan Patrick on Eagles' Defense:
  “But Jalen Hurts. Did you know, we like to give it to the quarterback. It's really easy. ... give it to a defensive lineman.” [02:56]

• Bill Cowher on Chiefs' Strategy:
  “We were heavy man to man blitz... we're going to give them a totally different game plan...” [30:56]

• Cooper DeJean on Defensive Dominance:
  “The defense, the defensive line ... manhandled the offensive line of the Kansas City Chiefs.” [16:31]

• Marvin on MVP Considerations:
  “The defense, the defensive line of the Philadelphia Eagles.” [21:02]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show masterfully dissects the elements that led to the Philadelphia Eagles' Super Bowl victory over the Kansas City Chiefs. Through expert guest analysis, engaging discussions on player performances, and strategic insights into coaching decisions, listeners gain a multifaceted understanding of the game. The episode not only celebrates the Eagles' triumph but also critically examines the Chiefs' shortcomings, providing valuable lessons for fans and analysts alike.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It was the Eagles and it was all Eagles all the time last night with the blowout 40 to 22 and even the 22 is foe. It's really they could have named the score if they wanted to. They took out some of their starters and it was probably more indicative of a 40 to 6 type game than 40 to 22. Couple of touchdown passes from Mahomes there at the end of the game in mop up duty there. But the numbers are really overwhelming for the Eagles and how they dominated. And if you don't have to blitz Patrick Mahomes and you're going to put that kind of pressure on him, I've said many times you can have an average line and that results into an average performance by your quarterback. And you saw that last night. Mahomes was under pressure. They I think the numbers were close to 43% of the time that they were pressuring him last night. Couple interceptions there at the end of the first half which I really think changed the game because I thought maybe if you get a touchdown you get the ball back to start the second half. But it didn't matter. That Eagles defense, the defensive line and I've said this many times, you still win with defense. And you saw that last night. And you can go back to the Tampa super bowl against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. That was all about the defensive line. You put pressure on him, you put pressure on Montana Brady. I don't care who it is, they'll crumble. And you saw that last night. Jalen Hurts was wonderful. It's weird when somebody says hey, you don't give Jalen hurts enough credit. But Kansas City was going to force Jalen Hurts to beat them, which is weird. They weren't going to let Saquon Barkley beat them. They did a really good job. But they were saying to Jalen hurts go Ahead and he did. So, you know, if you're going to hand out an mvp, that's one of those where it's really the defense. But Jalen hurts. Did you know, we like to give it to the quarterback. It's really easy. Hey, the quarterback is the MVP. You know, give it to a defensive lineman. COOPER DeJon Dean. We keep saying, Marvin goes, it should be DeJean. And now I don't know if we can change that, but, you know, we can start a campaign here. Yes, Mark.

[Marvin]

After last night, it should be with an apostrophe.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay. D, E apostrophe. J, E, A, N. Hey, that's a big play by him on his birthday. Scores a touchdown and then Homes throws. So back to back passes. He gets picked off and you know, it's 17 nothing. Maybe they go down at 17 seven. Maybe a little momentum. But you can't come out and go, three out, two sacks after the fir. You know, when you go into halftime, your halftime adjustments were what? There weren't any halftime adjustments. I still didn't understand. They didn't run the football at all. Now, granted, you know, they don't have a Saquon Barkley over there, but Isaiah Pacheco. When did you hear his name? Third quarter, Kareem Hunt. I thought maybe you do just a little bit, like instead of trying to get something further downfield that maybe you have a run game, maybe you. You keep them. How about three or four yards on the first play? It just felt like they kept trying to do the same thing. And the Eagles had a, you know, a great game plan there, offensively and defensively. But they were the best team that I saw. I think I said that after week 10. They're the best team in football, and it's because they're offensive and defensive lines. But Hurts wins the mvp. Mahomes had two interceptions, sacked six times. I think the goat conversation. Maybe we'll hold off on that. We'll. We'll wait until next. Next season. How about that? We. We just. Let's slow down the goat conversation. The three Pete. Yes, Marvin. After this loss, we're gonna have to.

[Marvin]

Wait about a three Super Bowls to get him in this Go conversation.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. To make it real now. Yeah. He doesn't do well when Tom Brady's involved in the Super Bowl. I think. I think we can establish that trend when Tom was playing for Tampa or last night as well. 8, 7, 7, 3. DP. Show operator. Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @dpshow I do have the odds to win the super bowl next season. Just got these from DraftKings. No surprise. The Eagles are the favorite. You know, that's a. That's a young team, and they got everybody under contract for the most part. So that should be. You know, if you want to talk about the potential new dynasty, it's certainly the Philadelphia Eagles. They've done a wonderful job with that team, and they'll be ready to go. They'll be ready to go again next season. The Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens are all tied for the second best odds here. And then you have the Detroit Lions. All right, Seaton, poll question for the first hour of the program is going to be what?

[Marvin]

Well, we could start with who had the best night.

[Dan Patrick]

Who had the best night?

[Marvin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Marvin]

Jalen hurts. Great night. Yeah, he had a great night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did.

[Marvin]

Career night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

How about Vic Pangio?

[Dan Patrick]

You know, he doesn't get as much camera time because he's up in the booth, whereas Spags is always dialing something up. I don't think Vic Fangio got credit for dialing anything up last night. But here's the thing. He didn't need to dial anything up. I don't know if he dialed last night, did he? They didn't blitz one time, which is astounding when you realize the pressure that they put on Patrick Mahomes. Hey, you imagine he goes in, Nick Sirianni goes, all right, hi, Vic. You know, you're a lifer here. You're one of the great defensive coordinators of all time. Well, like, what are you going to dial up? You know what? We're not going to do anything. Wait, what do you mean? We're not going to blitz? We don't need to. What? No, I'm not dialing anything up. I'll let Spags dial some stuff up. Yes, Todd, it's also more fun to.

[Cooper DeJean]

Say Spags or monkey or something like that. Vic Fangs, you. And it doesn't have the same ring to it. So he doesn't get the. Get the love on the air.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, what else do you have there, Seaton? Other candidates here. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Josh Sweat had a great night for himself.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. A couple of sacks. About two and a half sacks. Yeah. And by the way, people are going to say, well, Jaylen Carter got shut down. He had two guys on him. The reason why the other guys did really well is because of Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter is like a sponge who Just absorbs all the water of the offensive line, and then the other guys get to do what they want to do. I mean, this is the second coming of Aaron Donald, and you saw that last night. Hey, I'll take on two. You guys go have some fun. Who else is in there? Seaton. Well, you mentioned him.

[Marvin]

Cooper De Jean had a great night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did.

[Marvin]

That's an awesome play. How about Tom Brady, the quarterback? Yes. Yes. Tom Brady, the quarterback, had a great night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. And I wonder, you know, Tom said, hey, nobody's rooting for Patrick as much as I am or something. I'm like, no, no, that's not true, Tom. That's. No way. No way.

[Marvin]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Not going to do that. You know, there's part of you that's like, yeah, getting roughed up there a little bit. At least I didn't get blown out when I lost to the Giants here or when I lost to the Eagles. When I lose, it's always a close gang. Patrick's lost twice, and he's gotten blown out both of those games there. So I would say Tom Brady, the legacy, the legend of Tom Brady did really well last night. Maybe not the broadcaster, but certainly the football player.

[Marvin]

Well, that could bring us to part.

[Dan Patrick]

Two of the poll question.

[Marvin]

Who had the worst night? Why don't we start with Tom Brady, the broadcaster?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, no, I don't think. Wow.

[Marvin]

There are two different people last night. There's two different entities of Tom Brady last night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And they had drastically different nights. Okay. I. I mean, I've said what I've said about Tom. I think he'd be better in the studio than he is on a game. You know, it's solid. But I. We expect more than just solid. See, we can knock 2. Tony Romo when he says, I. I don't know, Jim. I think they're gonna. And then it's wrong. But I feel like he's invested in the game. I feel like he is really looking at the game as if he was playing in the game. I don't. Tom reacts. I want Tom to tell me beforehand. That's really what he needs to work on. You know, Collins work does this. Troy does this. Herb street, like, you got to get out in front of it. We see it. I mean, football fans are as knowledgeable as any group. We know it, we see it. Tell me before it happens there, Tom. It did have one moment with Jalen Hurts when Hertz had a signal for A.J. brown, like, that was great. They're just not enough of those moments there. And I could see, you know, when they revamp that, you know, FOX lineup there with Jimmy and Terry, that you could put Tom in there. Probably he would be better suited in that than calling a game. But he's got to get aggressive. You got to be aggressive when you're being the color analyst and tell us things and being excited about it and not waiting to be set up by, you know, your play by play guy. Yeah. See? Yeah.

[Marvin]

I kind of think that sometimes it's not so much that Tom Brady is so bad at it, but he makes other people look great who maybe took for granted for a little bit, like Troy Aikman. I know I definitely took him for granted. Be like, oh, yeah, he's just like the guy who does the games or whatever. But now I'm like, man, look how good Troy is. He really has the ability in seven seconds to give you something that Tom can spend 20 searching to find, you know?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, but. But see, these guys, he's not used to doing this, though. You got to get used to when he played, he waited for you to ask him a question, and even then, he didn't try to give you anything when he was playing. Now you have to give me something, and you have to be out in front of it and be aggressive. And, you know, it's just an average performance by him. There was nothing special. The watch he was wearing is $600,000. I know that. So that was special. And, you know, he and Kevin, they. They looked freshly coughed and, you know, they were ready to go into battle there. Who else are you putting on that list there? Seaton.

[Marvin]

Let's see who had the worst night while Patrick Mahomes.

[Dan Patrick]

We've covered. Covered that. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Well, why don't we start. Stick with the broadcast for this one. The Fox graphics team.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie. Paulie spent a lot of time on the graphics, I think. You know, as an old guy, I'm like, all right, I can read this. I was. It was a little too big for the site challenge. Yes. Yes.

[Marvin]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. For over 50. You're going, oh, I can see. I can read everything there. It's not too cluttered up there. It was just a little too large, that's all. Just a little too large there. What else do we have?

[Marvin]

Yeah, it's weird because there was, like, less to it, but it took up more space somehow. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And the other thing, it's very dangerous to unveil your graphics during the Super Bowl. You have a mass audience judging you.

[Marvin]

And most people don't like change whatsoever, even if it was decent.

[Dan Patrick]

But they felt like bloated and puffy.

[Marvin]

Like they'd been stung by bees. The graphics. And they took up a lot of space, even though that was not their goal. I don't think.

[Dan Patrick]

What else do you have seen?

[Marvin]

And it's also not something that they just sort of whipped up. Like, I take five minutes. Here's our new graphics thing. They took a very long time and went over generation after generation of this one bug that. That took. It took a while to do that. Let's see.

[Dan Patrick]

How about Joe Shane, the Giants gm. The Giants GM who got rid of.

[Marvin]

Saquon Barkley too soon.

[Dan Patrick]

See hang. Even though the Chiefs did a great job in shutting him down, they did because they wanted. They said, if we're losing, it's going to be because Jaylen Herz beats us any. Who else?

[Marvin]

How about your buddy, Nick Wright?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, winner.

[Marvin]

Winner.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Marvin]

How was his night?

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. I text him. I didn't hear back from him. Big Kansas City Chiefs fan came on, said this could be the greatest team in history. Greatest season in history. I think you got to lump them in with the 73 win Golden State warriors and the 07 Patriots who lost in the Super Bowl. But yeah, Nick probably didn't have a good night last night.

[Marvin]

Who had the worst night we could throw in? Taylor Swift on there. People want hers.

[Dan Patrick]

Tay. Tay did not have a good night. And they were booing. They were booing.

[Marvin]

Yeah, yeah. How about Drake? Speaking of people who didn't have a good night, that wasn't great for him.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, dear. Imagine not even being there and having a bad night.

[Marvin]

I think he's in Australia right now.

[Dan Patrick]

He had to go as far away as possible.

[Marvin]

Had to go to the exact opposite side of the world and still cannot.

[Dan Patrick]

Run to the moon. And then when Serena came out and then Serena dated Drake, and I'm like, golly, Kendrick Lamar is not taking prisoners here.

[Marvin]

Yeah, there's something about Serena Williams. Crip walking during the super bowl halftime said as a petty way to get back at some dude that Kendrick is beefing with. Just I don't know how many worlds are colliding there, but that is something.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. Yes. Marv Kendrick's a psychopath.

[Marvin]

A Serena, one of the most famous entertainers of any kind in the world. Hey, come on stage.

[Dan Patrick]

You want to be on screen. Drake. Hey, eight seconds.

[Cooper DeJean]

Are you in?

[Marvin]

And she's like, yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And they're both from Compton, by the.

[Bill Cowher]

Way, too, so there's that.

[Dan Patrick]

Also, do you do you want to get on stage in front of, I don't know, 100 million people and get back at Drake? Sure. All right, this is what you need to do. Because when I saw it, I was like, that looks a lot like Serena, but that can't be Serena. And then it is Serena. And then I'm going, oh, that's right, she went out with Drake.

[Marvin]

Sounds like fun. I'm in.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends.

[Marvin]

For the last 20 years and still.

[Dan Patrick]

Work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Marvin]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.

[Dan Patrick]

Show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobe Nonrich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Bill Cower, hall of Fame coach, Super bowl winning coach with the Steelers and now member of the NFL Today on CBS. Coach, great to see. If I would have said 24 hours ago, how do you think this super bowl is going to play out? You would have said, what, fourth quarter.

[Cooper DeJean]

Who has the ball last? Possibly. But clearly that did not play out that way. Total manhandling, I think, by the Philadelphia Eagle defense against that offensive line, which has been a little bit of suspect this year with the Kansas City, but came to the forefront yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but they don't even blitz one time in that game, which I just didn't understand the first half adjustments or lack thereof or at least the impression of they came out and they went three and out and I thought that doesn't seem like good, you know, first half or second half adjustments there.

[Cooper DeJean]

Yeah, I think the biggest thing to me, Dan, is that they got away from running the football. I mean, you're going against a football team that number one, you know, I think the big. The Cooper DeJean interception for a touchdown. It's 10 nothing. You're still in this game. You try to get your footing, trying to get a first down, you go, sack, sack third and 16 and all of a sudden you get to pick the pick six. And again, I think getting away and not even trying to run the football to kind of settle into the game and coming out, throwing it when you all obviously your offensive line, which is not your strength again, you know, they've been able to get by with it. They made their adjustments late in the season and you know, and moving Tooney out to left tackle. But this defensive front, the Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Jalen Carter, they just manhandled the offensive line of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm with you with running the ball. I thought get three yards, get four, get something. Because if they don't have to blitz then I mean, what an advantage that.

[Cooper DeJean]

Well, yeah, and I think the biggest thing we've seen with this team in Kansas City is they are very good second half team. And you get the ball game into the fourth quarter, however way you need to get there. You need to minimize the, the differences in the scoring and trying to shorten the game to the fourth quarter, keep it within a score because you have the best kicker. You got a quarterback that can make plays with his legs. And it just felt like this game got away from him very early and they could never get anything going on offense. And then they started to press and I think that you could see that happening. And a lot of credit goes to Philadelphia. I mean, I think the Kansas City defense did a very good job of taking care of Saquon. But the biggest thing I always talk about is the attempts. I mean never, they never deviated from the rush. Even though he was getting stopped. There was a great lesson to be learned about that. They still kept running the football and kept that defense kind of at check because they had to play the run first. And I think that was something that they can look in the mirror and say maybe we should try and do the same thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I. And that's what I'm thinking is they kept trying Saquon, maybe there was going to be a home run in there. There was always the threat of he can hit a home run Here and they're sort of saying to Jalen hurts, we want to see you beat us. And he certainly showed them.

[Cooper DeJean]

And I think that was what Spags wanted to do. I mean, I think they were going to take away Saquon, make Jalen beat him. And I think Jalen beat it as much with his legs he did with his arm. You know, I think that's the biggest thing too, when there wasn't the pressure and it wasn't the blitz and the four man rush. And that's the thing to me, Dan, when you look at this team in Philadelphia, they really don't have a weakness. And I think when you look at a football teams around National Football League, the offensive line, the defensive line, you have to build yourself there. And I've always said your strengths get you into the playoffs and your weaknesses is what eliminates you. And I think that played true really for this Kansas City chief football team. And a lot of strength of that offensive side with what they've been able to do with the quarterback. Defensively, I think they showed up again yesterday, but the one weakness that they probably had and they kept trying to toil with it all year was that offensive line and that got exposed yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, the Eagles are set up here for the next couple of years. Like when you talk about maybe a new dynasty, Philadelphia, I mean, give Howard.

[Cooper DeJean]

Roseman a lot of credit. Now they got three big key three, eight. You're talking about Josh Sweat, Milton Williams and Zach Bond. These are three key cogs on that defensive side of the ball. But you know, you're talking about an offensive line that's still going to be intact. You're talking about Saquon, who's still there. Two receivers are coming back. Jalen hurts to me. And I think you go back to also going into this game, we kept hearing about the three peak, we keep hearing about Steve Spagnola, but really the best defense in the league has been the Philadelphia Eagles and Vic Fangio. And so it's a little bit of kind of a disrespect card, I would think that was being played there. And I can understand it as well. And I can understand why we're all kind of excited about seeing history being made. But I think that also didn't play into the hands of the Kansas City Chiefs. I think for the Philadelphia Eagles, under the radar, underdog, went into this game, played exactly the way they wanted to play it. And I think they used that to their, to the, to their benefit.

[Dan Patrick]

He's Bill Cower, hall of Fame coach. Super bowl winning coach with the Steelers. He works on the NFL today on cbs. The MVP last night, in your opinion was who?

[Cooper DeJean]

The defense, the defensive line of the Philadelphia Eagles. And I could sit there and say it was going to be Josh Sweat, but I look at Milt Williams and then you can't take away from Jalen Carter because Jalen Carter is a guy that he disrupts a lot and creates a lot of those opportunities for the other guys. So I, to me it's the collective effort of a defensive line when you can do a four man rush and get that kind of pressure and not have to blitz and you can sit back there and courage and make them throw the ball underneath and play that zone and those guys are great cut. They, they're good tacklers in the secondary. To me, clearly it was a defensive line that filled out the Eagles.

[Dan Patrick]

Don't you wish we could give the MVP to a unit like when Brady and the Patriots lost to the Giants? That front four dominated. There's been moments where, you know the offensive line with the Broncos, when the Broncos beat the Green Bay packers, that offensive line was unbelievable. I just wish we would go with a group instead of an individual sometime.

[Cooper DeJean]

And I think it's a gotta be. The group's gotta be. Actually, I think the individuals come with the skill positions because there's a certain skill position, whether it's a running back or a receiver or a quarterback, they can have an outstanding game. Listen, I'm not taking away from Jalen Hurts because I think his decision making and he's been an integral part of that football team all year long. But when you talk about the two lines, they have to work in sync, particularly offensive line, they have to work together. This is the best offensive line of football. We're talking about the Philadelphia Eagles. So, you know, did they get stopped yesterday? Sake wanted to get. They did. But did Jalen Hurts have time to throw the football? Yes. Was he able to scramble? Yes. Was he sacked? Yeah, maybe one time, maybe hit a couple other times, but he had time. It feels comfortable back there and he had defensive line like you said. I agree two lines to me are units. The skill positions are people. But to me those are the units. And right now I think no one has a better dual of lines than the Philadelphia Eagles. Like you said, set up maybe for years to come. Again, a couple key free agents going up there with Josh Wet Williams and Zach Bond on the defensive side.

[Dan Patrick]

The push, tush, tush, push, whatever.

[Cooper DeJean]

The brotherly, brotherly push.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, brotherly shove. We, we Saw it on display last night with the touchdown. But I wonder. I, I'm. I'm fine with it if I'm lining up and I'm going to do it and nobody else can do it this way. If Buffalo could do it this way, Buffalo would have been in the super bowl, probably so. I can tell by the grimacing of your face that you're not big on the brotherly shove here.

[Cooper DeJean]

I'm not. It's not a football play. It's. It's rugby. They call it a scrum. I mean, that's, that's what it is, Dan. It's called the way it is. It's a scrum. I mean, you're pushing people and pushing them over. I mean, listen, if it's just a quarterback snake, I get it, but it becomes like a pushing in the back and it's a scrum and I don't know, it's not a strategical play, in my opinion, so.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. How do you get rid of it, though? If I don't allow somebody to push the quarterback from behind, would you be okay with that? That's just a quarterback sneak.

[Cooper DeJean]

Yes, yes, I do. I do. I'm fine with that. I think when you start pushing and putting a guy in the middle, and I think there's going to be. I think there's a safety element to this at some point, I would have to think, because you. When you have £600 pushing on one person who's trying to stay in there to £300, that just seems like it's a safety issue. But I. Yeah, if you can't. When did we start? While pushing the guy forward. And I like, you know, these late flags also. We're pushing a guy 8 to 10 yards. That was never the case before. You stop the play. I mean, the play's over, you, guy gets stopped. He stopped. In a game of football is more strategic. It's, you know, that's rugby. I love. Nothing against rugby, but if you want to get a scrum, you want to see a scrum, go to a rugby rugby match.

[Dan Patrick]

Tom Brady's still the goat. Joe Montana still second on that list, in your opinion?

[Cooper DeJean]

Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, I think that you. You can't say not. But listen, I think I'm not going to take anything away from what Patrick Mahomes, what he's done in his career, where he's at right now under 30 and the number of Super Bowls he's been to every year he's been there. This is pretty impressive. You Know, again I'm not going to sit there and take one game and tarnish what he's done. And I think what he's done, he's carried that football team and there's been a lot of change that they've gone through and for Andy Reid and that football team to continue to get back to there and even the injuries they had this year, you're talking about Rashad Rice not even being there the whole year, bringing in receivers. D hop comes in late in the season. You know Kareem Hunt gets when Pacheco goes down. So and then you know, trying to make the moves they did on the offensive line. So you know, you think about defensively, Chris Jones and yet the spag, what he does with that defensive front and the different looks that he provides. It's a well coached team. Patrick Mahomes with no question in the fourth quarter as good as any quarterback in the National Football League proves that year in, year out. So you know, I'm not going to take anything away from him. I mean I still would put him up there with Brady.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you think the Chiefs do in the off season?

[Cooper DeJean]

You know, I think they want to get healthy. I think again they're going to still be the team to beat. I think they have to address their offensive line. I think we've getting, I think moving Toney back inside with Trey Smith and and. And Creed Humphrey that they had a dynamic tree some in the middle and I think there was a comfort level that Patrick Mahomes had that they can take care of the edges. I think they need to get a left tackle that they can count on and on the edges is that other than that, boy, I think they're gonna get. They got some receivers coming back. I think they got their death at running back. Defensively they're going to be fine. I'm not sure exactly where they stand in free agency. But listen, this is a well coached team. They got some great coaches and they just did not play their best football game. I don't think they called their best football game coaching the offensive side of the ball. Like as we just talked about earlier, I don't think they gave themselves a chance, but they were just manhandled by a better football team. The best football team in football won the super bowl this year. That was a Philadelphia Eagles. There's not a weakness they had. If it was that weakness might have been Jake Elliott and he was nailing his things from 52 yards yesterday. So he got things straightened out and again, I mean they're going to be the team to beat to me moving forward.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think Aaron Rodgers plays again?

[Cooper DeJean]

I do. I think he wants to play. I think there's a. There's gonna be a place for him somewhere. I can. I mean, but, you know, I. Aaron's like, he's gonna go to his dark place. He's gonna come out. It's. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you ever know where Aaron's coming from? But I think if he puts his mind to it, I think he can still throw it. I think that, you know, he can still move around fine again. It's going to be the right place for him in the right situation. I just don't think he's going to want to get run out. Like he feels like he got year for the New York Jets. I just don't think he wants to go out on that note. So I'm going to say somewhere he's going to land.

[Dan Patrick]

Could he play in Pittsburgh?

[Cooper DeJean]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know where they are right now in terms of their quarterback situation with Russell and Justin and Aaron. I think a decision has to be made. You know, what's the future plan and what is the plan in the interim? I think there's got to be also a sense of urgency and taking, you know, some guys on the back end of their careers, TJ Watt, Cam Hayward, you know, they, they're in the latter stages of their career, so they want to win now and that's part of what they want to do. But you also got to have a plan moving forward and at that position. So I think there'll be, there'll be dialogue there, but those be conversations taking place in that building.

[Dan Patrick]

Coach, great off season. Hopefully it's quiet for you. Travel. You got plans?

[Cooper DeJean]

No, I mean, I'll hang around here. I'll just. I'll be watching you and see what you transition into. Basketball. Hey, listen, there's nothing like March Madness. I really do love this time of year because March Madness is starting to start to start to come around the corner here. So it's the best tournament going. Love basketball and I look forward to that. So.

[Dan Patrick]

And your daughters played, didn't they?

[Cooper DeJean]

Yeah, they played. They all played to play Princeton. One played a Walker, they all played college basketball. And I mean, a women's game has never been better, to be honest with you. It's. The skill level is unbelievable.

[Dan Patrick]

How are you as a parent watching his daughters play basketball?

[Cooper DeJean]

Well, my late wife, when I used to go watch them play, she says don't say anything about their technique. All I could talk about was their effort. So I could, I was, I was only allowed to to judge effort and defensive if they're defensive like mentality. So I said just keep moving your feet, stay in front. But anything to do with the shot or anything to do with offense, I was not allowed to make any kind of comments whatsoever.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, coach. We appreciate all the time you spent with us this year and I love.

[Cooper DeJean]

Love your front desk too. Thanks, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, buddy. That's Bill Cower, hall of Famer Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Devin McCourty, NBC Football Night in America analyst, three time Super bowl champ with the Patriots. He was doing pre game halftime post game last night for Westwood One. When did you realize this probably wasn't going to go as scripted for the Chiefs?

[Bill Cowher]

For me it was, it was over when Zach Bond got that interception right before the half, like there was a chance you climbed back in the game. It would have been a hard task. But once he got that interception right before the half, I, I thought that ruined it. The Chiefs were going to have a chance to go there, score and then get the ball after halftime and try to go score again. That could have changed the game, but I thought that interception kind of sealed it.

[Dan Patrick]

Help me understand this. As a former defensive back. Let's say you were getting ready for the super bowl and all of a sudden your defensive coordinator says we're not blitzing at all tonight. Now, I don't know if that was the decision pregame, but they weren't going to blitz Patrick Mahomes. They had that much confidence. I mean, it sounds crazy though, but they didn't need to blitz him. Why?

[Bill Cowher]

For me, for me it doesn't sound cruel because we played in Super Bowl 53 where that year playing against the Rams, we were heavy man to man blitz. And then we came in and they were like, hey, not only are we not going to blitz a lot, we're not even going to play that much man to man on first and second down. We're going to give them a totally different game plan and if we execute it, they're going to struggle with it. And that's what we did. And I think Philly might have thought about throwing in, but once the game started and they saw what they were doing up front, it was like, why would we even think about calling a blitz? They can't Handle anything we're doing with just our rotational four man rush.

[Dan Patrick]

What should they have done?

[Bill Cowher]

I thought Kansas City, at some point, they didn't run the ball early in the game, and I know it was tough, but Saquon didn't run the ball particularly well. But they kept running it and then I thought you had to get to your quick passing game and they never did that. They did a little bit of it on the second half where they threw some passes, you know, very quick and trying to break a tackle. Philadelphia did do a good job tackling after the catch, but I thought that was the biggest issue with Mahomes and the Chiefs, that there was no adjustment. Like you can't sit back there in the pocket and do what you normally do, a holding the ball, moving up, finding exits and then going, making plays. They took that away and they just kept doing the same thing, getting stopped. I thought they never truly tried to adjust.

[Dan Patrick]

No. I know Mahomes is going to get a lot of criticism, really. It's the offensive line and I don't think Andy Reid had a good game last night. When you think about adjustments, as much credit as we want to give Andy, he's one of the great coaches of all time, we got to be fair in distributing, you know, criticism. The line, not good. Mahomes as a result, was not good game plan, not good. That's what surprised me more than anything. I thought when they came out halftime, and I agree with you, I thought, they'll score. Touchdown will be 17 7, go into halftime, come out, make adjustments, you get the ball first. Now we got ourselves a game and it never happened. That's. That's what surprised me the most.

[Bill Cowher]

Exactly. And it was across the board, even on defense. And I know they did a good job of Saquon Barkley, but it also was like, well, the game has kind of defined itself that just stopping Saquon Barkley is not going to change the outcome of this game. And still, it didn't seem like they ever tried to confuse Jalen Hurst, give him something different. He, they did a good job with, you know, Devonte Smith. A ton of motion in early in the play to see if it was man or zone, put him into the short side of the field. Just a lot of different things Philly did that I never thought Kansas City did on offense or defense to try to make it harder to give them something new to deal with. It was almost like, it was almost like they thought the same way we thought. The way the game was going, like, hey, this is Just not our year. This is not the game for us tonight.

[Dan Patrick]

And also, it felt like this whole week in New Orleans that there were a lot of analysts who were ready to get Mahomes at least right there with Tom or to label him the greatest of all time because he was going to three peat. Tom's legacy is probably still pretty good right now, would you say?

[Bill Cowher]

I would say the way, and I know it's fresh in our minds right now, but to lose the way that they did and for that to be the second time on the super bowl scene of a huge game to go out there and really just get destroyed, I just don't think was a good look. And we can't take away look, they went back to the super bowl three years in a row. Tom was able to do that, too. He won two of them. They won two of them. So it's still something for them. But the way they lost, why, it's like fresh in our minds. We just don't see the Brady and the Patriots team, they never lost that way. They might not have got there, which I think that you could argue about that. But once they got there, you just never saw a game where, you know, midway through the first quarter, second quarter of the game, we're like, well, this. This one's just gone. At some point. They always were able to rally.

[Dan Patrick]

He's Devin McCourty, won three Super Bowls with the Patriots. He works for NBC Football Night in America. I did think about this last night, and I haven't thought about this in a long time. Might have been the first time I thought of. They really missed Tyreek Hill.

[Bill Cowher]

Yes. There's no doubt because. And you know, you could throw in Rashi Rice that we kept saying, you know, this Kansas City team, there's a lot of holes. I don't really like this. I don't really. And it was like they would play the game and you would be like, somehow they make it a game. Somehow they figure out how to go. And Philadelphia was the first team to say, you don't have receivers that can get open fast on us. You don't have the offensive line that can stop us. We're going to go exploit it and destroy. And that's what they did. But Kansas City's credit is they were outmanned in a lot of games this year, and it never really showed up because of, like you said, the good game planning by Spagnola and Andy Reid today last night was simply, we have better players than you and we're going to show that for four quarters.

[Dan Patrick]

How should we look at Jalen? Hurts. If we do look at him differently.

[Bill Cowher]

After last night, for me personally, I still would put him behind those top four guys in Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. But we have to also recognize is two times Jalen Hurst has been on this stage in the Super Bowl. He's been spectacular and outplayed Patrick Mahomes, the guy of this era who we say is the goat, every single time, the two times that he's outplayed him. So a ton of credit has to go to Jalen Hurst. He has to be a guy that needs to be mentioned year in and year out. He's going to be in this game or have a shot to be in this game because he's proven that with this team. And if he gets there, he's going to be a hard out for whoever has to play him.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, they're going to be here. I mean, they're. If, if you're an NFC team, you're probably going, damn. They're.

[Marvin]

They're.

[Dan Patrick]

They're going to be great. Should be great for a couple of years now. Now, these windows close. Just ask the 49ers. It closes quickly here. But they're set up. They're set up for success for another couple of years.

[Bill Cowher]

It feels like Nick Sirianni felt it. You know, he got up there after the game and he said, hey, Kellen, let's run this black. And. And like, that was the message of, I know your name is being mentioned, and I know it looks like because this has gone on for so long, you're heading to New Orleans. But after being in that environment, he's like, what are you thinking right now? Let's run this back. Let's do this again next year. Everything they're saying about the Chiefs, that could be us in the next four to five years because they have that kind of talent, a lot of young players, but you also got to figure out your cap as you keep winning. Guys get new opportunities. Guys want to leave, coaches want to leave. So they have to figure that out if they want to be back in these games.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you see Coach Belichick in New Orleans?

[Bill Cowher]

I didn't get a chance to see him. I saw his guy Burrige from New England, I see all the time back in New England, but I didn't get a chance to run into him there.

[Dan Patrick]

He had all of his rings on, like, who is this Bill Belichick now?

[Bill Cowher]

Sometimes you got to step out and remind people who you are. Put all the rings on, hit the red carpet, do your thing. That's what, that's what coach had to do.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Coach, thanks again for joining us all season long. We appreciate your time.

[Bill Cowher]

No problem, man. Good to see you.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Devin. Devin McCourty. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Lewis Riddick of the mothership, college football NFL analyst and former front office exec with Washington and Philadelphia. You don't get a Super bowl ring though this time around, right? With the Eagles, they don't give it.

[Marvin]

To you now, man, I'm, I'm good. But they, I'll tell you what, they earned one last night, that's for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

When did you know that this like the tempo of the game or the style of the game, that's the way it was going to be through the entirety of it.

[Marvin]

He got the feeling early on, Dan, that Patrick wasn't quite on it. He didn't have his best stuff on the first series when he missed, he missed Travis on a little zone route coming over the middle where he had found the zone board and he kind of missed him through the ball behind him. You were like, okay, he doesn't look like he's quite in sync, but you know, there's a lot of game left to go. And then I think in the second quarter when it was when on the back to back interceptions on the pick six by Cooper De Jean and then on the Nick by Zach, that's when you knew that the pressure was really something that was bothering Patrick a lot. And Joe Tuney didn't have it. They, they, they really had a very, very, very detailed plan as far as how they wanted to rush Patrick. And it was all about outside pressure, constricting the pocket to interior defensive tackles, making sure you just push the pocket with power and don't give him an area to step up. And they were constricting that pocket so fast you could clearly see that when Patrick typically would step up and find the lane to throw the football like he's done all year long, his eyes have to be down the field and he would know where all five eligibles were. When he stepped up in this pocket, his eyes were looking at where's Jalen Carter, where's Milton Williams? I'm not really worried about who's downfield. I'm worried about trying to survive this thing. But I think those back to back interceptions, that's when you knew the game was over. At that point right there.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but where is the genius of Andy Reid here? You know, I, I, I know Mahomes will get a lot of blame here. They didn't do anything really different to counteract a defense that wasn't even blitzing.

[Marvin]

Yeah, I think the problem was this one. They didn't try to run the football against the team that wasn't really loading the box and was inviting you to run simply because they felt as though the fact that they don't blitz a lot and they were going to rush forward, that they would have five, maybe six in protection, that they would be able to handle it. And they never really got off of that despite the fact that their offensive line was shown, we're not handling it. And they thought that Patrick would be the equalizer like he has been all season long, that he would be able to manage the pressure because he's so good in the pocket. But this was, this was at a different speed. This is at a different tempo. And you know what? Sometimes even great players like Patrick Mahomes that just don't have their best stuff, Dan. And he didn't have it. He just didn't. The defense hung in there. They hung in there. They hung in there. They obviously made a concerted effort to make sure Saquon didn't get going. And they said, jalen Hurts, you're gonna have to beat us. And Jalen Hurts said, perfect, I'll beat you then and see. And then what would wound up happening is I just think the whole team got fatigued mentally and physically. And so to the point where it was like the offense knew that we can't block these guys. And the defense was like, the offense can't move the ball. We're doing everything we can to shut down one of the best players in the league. But now we can't really rush the passer because we're in run stop mode. And it's just all fed on itself.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's one of, it's like when a pitcher doesn't have his best stuff, but he still goes out there and he's trying to fool you a little bit, trying to trick you a little bit. And then after a while they weren't fooling anybody. The fact that like, I can't even give Vic Fangio credit because he didn't, he didn't do anything other than say to his guys, let's don't do anything.

[Cooper DeJean]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

Remember, remember when Seattle beat Denver like that, when Denver was heavily favored in the game. That was a Super Bowl. That was up in New York. And you hear quarterbacks talk a lot about the fact that sometimes they get tricked into feeling as though, you know what? This game's not going to be that tough because these teams aren't very difficult, and Seattle wasn't very difficult to figure out from a schematic standpoint. But when you start playing them and you realize that it may be simplistic in terms of its structure, but the speed and the ferocity with which they. They play, it overwhelms you. Kansas City, for the first time since, well, dang, since maybe Patrick Mahomes became a starter in 2018, outside of the Super bowl, in 2020 when they lost to Tampa Bay, that's the first time I've really seen that team look overwhelmed to where they look like an inferior football team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

And that's what I mean. And Vic, you know what? We were talking about it on TV this morning. Vic was sitting up there in that box, looking down at that field, going, I don't need to send anymore. I don't need to do anything. I'm just going to unleash my big dogs and let them go. And you know what? When it's like that, then sometimes football is just that simple. Bigger, faster, stronger guys who are more ticked off beat guys who aren't as big in this fast as strong. And that's what happened.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Louis Riddick of the Mothership, he was on the call with Chris Fowler, Dan Orlovsky for the fans in Australia and New Zealand last night when it was 17, nothing. And I thought, okay, Mahomes will get a touchdown, go into halftime, regroup, come back out, you get the ball, second half. And then all of a sudden, it doesn't happen that way. And I thought, okay, what adjustments do you make at halftime? And I'm still waiting to see what adjustments were you going to make against the Eagles. I mean, that to me, baffled me more than anything, I think last night.

[Marvin]

Yeah, they came out early in the second half, you remember, and they tried.

[Dan Patrick]

To run the ball.

[Marvin]

They got maybe five or six, and you're kind of thinking, okay, well, maybe they'll try and mix it up a little bit. Maybe it won't be pass, pass, pass. Maybe they'll run it on first, maybe screen it on second, maybe try and run play action on first, maybe screen it on first down. But they went right back to what they wanted to do, which they felt as though. And I. And look, I. And I understand it, they felt as though they had enough cover to cover four beaters. In terms of the routes that they had, that if they could just get enough protection, Patrick would be able to find, find a way to move the ball down the field and score, because he's done it to everyone. But the neutralizer, the great neutralizer, the great equalizer was the fact that the four guys up front just would not allow it to happen. They just wouldn't. And, you know, one of the things I always say in scouting that has always been said to me is when you make two moves to fix one problem, it's usually going to end bad. When there's a team that can really exploit the fact that you made two moves to fix one, moving Joe Tuney to left tackle and then inserting a backup at left guard, that's two moves to fix. One, that left tackle, a premium position, going up against a team like Philly, they're not going to let you get away with that. They're just not. And, and then, you know, Teddy Brusky made a great point this morning, and I noticed it when it happened on the field, but Teddy articulated it perfectly. Remember when Milton Williams strip sack Patrick and then you saw Jalen Carter basically just slap him right in the face?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

And you. Well, number one, I was. I was concerned that Patrick may have hurt his elbow because the way he got stripped. But it was a blatant hands to the face headshot from Jalen Carter that to me said this team was ticked off. This team wanted to send a message. And the message they were going to send was, we're going to literally beat you up because we're bigger, we're faster, and we're stronger. And that's something that Brett Feach is going to have to come to grips with. And I'm sure last night he was thinking, you know, what? For as. As great as we've been, as many games as we've won, and as great as Patrick is, the fact is of the matter is we had a blind spot maybe exposed last night, which is we have to have guys who Andy Reid doesn't have to be perfect. Patrick doesn't have to be perfect. Spags doesn't have to be perfect. We need more of that physical element that Philadelphia obviously has and can rely on.

[Dan Patrick]

We likened it to Mahomes. You know, he took a hit last night, literally, figuratively, with his legacy. But it's like when Tyson got knocked out by Buster.

[Marvin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

When Ronda Rousey got knocked out. All of a sudden, that era of invincibility, now we saw a little bit of that in the Tampa loss in the Super Bowl. But this is one of those where, hey, Mahomes with the ball game on the line, you know, that's who you want. That's two blowout losses in the Super Bowl. On his resume, how big of a hit do you think it that he took last night?

[Marvin]

Knowing Patrick, knowing the people who know Patrick like they do. I don't think, I don't think it'll be something where, you know, like when you're talking about like a Ronda Rousey type situation where you know a fighter is on the decline or clearly they just don't have it anymore. Patrick still has it. But the cold, the, the, the cool thing about this is that this is a team game and clearly he can't get it done just all on his own. Twice now when he's gotten blown out in the super bowl and gotten beat up in the super bowl, it's been because Dolphins align has just caved in this cave to like unrelenting pressure. Think about Philadelphia last year, how they exited the playoffs and how you're looking at Jalen hurts last year and you're sitting there going, this team's done. This team's like they're not, they're not the powerhouse in the nfc. And then one year with the way in which they were able to fortify the offensive line, get Saquon Barkley and a defense and change over the defensive side of the ball with Vic Fangio. Next thing you know, Jalen Carter's become an absolute freak and they get two rookies like Quinion Mitchell and Cooper Dezine. And now they're looking like a team. Like people are going, oh, they're never.

[Dan Patrick]

Going to lose again.

[Marvin]

They're never going to lose again. You'll, they'll be able to fix this. But Brett has to go to work. And it can't just be about Andy's genius and Patrick's, you know, ability to always pull it out in the end, which we've all become kind of drunk with. We've all become like dis. Intoxicated by. Because the guy is a once in a generation player but he, what he's showing you is that this is still the ultimate team game. And when you go up against a team that's evenly matched or even better than you physically, all the schemes and plague faults and shovel passes and no look passes in the world ain't gonna work because football is still like what Bill Parcells and Belichick and every other old school coach talks about. It's about imposing your will on another person. And Philly imposed their will on Phil on. On Kansas City last night to the point where it looked like 85 Bears vs. New England Patriots in that same stadium. It was like, you have no shot. You can't even move the ball. I mean, it was unbelievable. I was. I was in awe. I mean, my, my jaw was hitting the floor, sitting there going, they can't. They can't do anything. That is not how any of us thought that would happen. Besides, maybe the people in Philadelphia in that locker room, Louis, they poured the.

[Dan Patrick]

Gatorade with three minutes left. That has to be the earliest Gatorade pole. If that was a fight a heavyweight, they would have stopped that.

[Marvin]

No doubt.

[Dan Patrick]

They would have stopped it in the third quarter, and they would have said, no, no, no. Most curious player decision in the off season with anybody, whether it's Russell Wilson or Sam Darnold or Aaron Rodgers, who. Who or what are you most curious about in the off season?

[Marvin]

I'm. I'm curious about, really, you know, about. Let's see. Where does Miles Garrett end up and does Cleveland actually let him go? Do they actually say, you know, because, you know, obviously Andrew Barry said, he's not a guy who I want to trade. I'm not going to trade him. But where does he go? And does he. Is he a missing piece for a team? Is he a missing piece for a team like Detroit? Is he a team. Is he a guy who. Like a team like Kansas City? Quite honestly, they need a guy like that. They need a closer like that. Where does he wind up going? Because outside of quarterback premium pass rushers who are, like, on the verge of doing historic things, rushing to pass or don't hit the market, they usually don't get moved. And so Miles is going to be one of the biggest stories of the all season. The only reason why it's probably not bigger is because of the fact that he plays for Cleveland. Right now, nobody cares about Cleveland.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but you worked in the front office of two NFL teams.

[Marvin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

If you worked in the Browns front office, you're the gm and Miles Garrett says he wants to be traded. Knowing what you need for your team and. But you don't want to be the guy who traded him away. What would you do with that situation?

[Marvin]

That situation has so many other tentacles because I, you know, I just get the feeling that Andrew Barry's not doing anything in a vacuum. He's being told what to do. But I would strongly suggest to the people who ultimately make that decision, if it wasn't Just all mine on my own. I would say, hey, look, we need to consider moving them, okay? Because we need a lot. We need help. And as much as that sucks, since he's one of the greatest players in the history of this franchise, we have to move him. And it's quite honest, I would then want to have another conversation, Dan, which is how we gotten to the point where a guy who we drafted and we developed here in house, who is beloved in Cleveland, all of our fan base can't blame. They don't blame him. They would say they would one out too. How are we. How have we gotten to the point where our best players don't want to stay here anymore? Like, that's a. That's an even bigger issue for them that. I don't know, maybe Jimmy has them, wants to have those conversations, maybe he doesn't. But he needs to, because if he doesn't, good luck getting a new stadium. Good luck getting, you know, good luck getting that fan base to rally behind you when you're alienating a guy who is truly, you know, one of the best pass rushers that this game has ever seen.

[Dan Patrick]

Safe travels back. Thanks for joining us the entire season. Always appreciate your insights.

[Marvin]

Of course, man. You bet. Anytime. Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Lewis Riddick of the Mothership.

[Marvin]

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