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Daniel Jeremiah
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Greg Rosenthal
What'S up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Reality TV and social media have love all wrong. So what really makes relationships last? On this episode of Dope Labs, poet and relationship expert Young Pueblo breaks down the psychology of love and provides eye opening insights and advice we all need. You should not be postponing your happiness. Your greatest happiness is not necessarily going to like come from a relationship. Your partner should add to your happiness, but your happiness is really coming from within you. Listen to Dope labs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here and Eating While Broke is back for Season four every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. This season we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories. On the menu. We have Tony Baker, Nick Cannon, Melissa for October London and Carrie Harper. Howie Turning Big Macs into big Moves. Catch Eating While Broke every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app Apple podcasts Wherever you get your favorite shows, come hungry for season four. Dressing. Dressing.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Oh, French dressing.
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Greg Rosenthal
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Seth Greenberg
One of the great Irishmen of all time. Seth Greenberg, ESPN college basketball analyst, joining us on the program. Happy St. Patrick's Day, Seth.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I'm not appropriately dressed. I apologize.
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Seth Greenberg
It's okay. So, all right, let's get the, the big controversy out of the way. North Carolina made it, West Virginia didn't. Indiana didn't. Ohio State, Boise. How big of a deal is this, in your opinion?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I think it's a big deal. I mean, you know, you are your body of work, your resume is your resume. And you know, North Carolina. Do you get credit for playing good teams? Do you get cred for beating the teams? They're one in 12 against quad one. That's a fact. They played a very difficult non conference schedule. That's a fact. They also lost to Pitt and Wake Forest and Clemson and Louisville. All right, those were opportunities. Not saying those teams aren't good, but those are opportunities that they didn't embrace. They played Michigan State in Hawaii. That was an opportunity. Before Michigan State became the juggernaut that they were. Now look, playing Auburn and Alabama and Florida, you know, those are the best of the best. But I do think that if you look at their resume, their body of work, their resume says they're not an NCAA tournament team. Having said that, Dan, now that they're in the tournament, they can beat San Diego State. Now that they're in the tournament, they can give Ole Miss a game. But you know what? You don't get a free pass to get in the tournament. You earn your way into the tournament and everyone should be evaluated across the same set of criteria. And that's probably the thing that kind of bothers me to an extent.
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Seth Greenberg
How did it happen then?
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Daniel Jeremiah
How did it happen? Bubba Cunningham is a good man. I have a lot of respect for him. He's the head of the committee and they say, well, you know, he recuses himself from the room when they're talking about North Carolina. That's great. Breakfast, lunch and dinner conversations. Committee members that he's chairing who also know they're in that situation. I thought they put Xavier in as well, and I think they put Xavier in and as a kind of another one of those teams that didn't have a ton of Quad One wins. But that was a good way to justify putting North Carolina in because the resumes were similar. But look, I'm not pointing a finger at Bubba, without a doubt. I'm not doing that. But the system is flawed in this way, Dan. We've got to have a better set criteria. So people, everyone's got their own prism of what they're looking, how they're looking at these resumes, right? We've got to say this is the most important. This is second most important. This is the third most important. Instead of having everyone say, well, you know, the, the prism. I looked at this through, like the whole idea that they said, well, West Virginia, you know, the Vries wasn't there at the end of the season. He wasn't there at the beginning of the season. They still won games. I mean, he missed 24 games or so. So, you know, just the excuse after the, the bracket came out was a little bit weak. It is what it is. It's over with now. We're going to have a great NCAA tournament. But there was a guy that sat on the outside looking in for 48 straight months. Dan. Not that. Not that it still bothers me at all. You know, I feel for those guys because, you know, the, the tournament is a reward for your season. I feel for the seniors on those teams. I feel for the coaches. The season starts, you know, in the summer. It goes. It's a long, grinded out season. And I thought some of those other teams deserved the opportunity ahead of North Carolina.
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Seth Greenberg
What's the biggest storyline going into the tournament, in your opinion?
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Daniel Jeremiah
The dominance of Florida. I think Florida can have a, a Yukon type run through the NCAA tournament. I think they're that good. I think I call them Noah's Ark. They got to everything, the pace, the force, the freedom that they play with their bigs, run the floor and are skilled. Walter Clayton, to me, is a lottery pick at the guard position. They go 10 deep. I think Florida's dominance in the SEC tournament, how they won, is one of the key storylines. And then Cooper Flagg, you know, I mean, we got to talk about Cooper Flag, right? You understand that, right?
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Seth Greenberg
Yes. His availability, though, seems like he's getting the green light to go.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I think what they're going to do is, I think he's going to get the green light to go. I think, you know, in just listening to John, who's done just an incredible job, but listening to John, I think what they're going to try to do is he's going to do some individual workout stuff today, back in practice, some skill work, probably no contact, probably Tuesday or Wednesday. He'll do some live stuff and then they're gonna see how it reacts. But they need him to win national Championship. Ideally, they'd like to get him some minutes in the opening round game to get his feet wet, to experience what the tournament's about. Because each game you win, there's a greater pressure. Really impressed with how Duke played in the ACC tournament. A lot of guys stepped up, but I expect him to play. But there's a lot of people. This is the thing that people don't understand. It's obviously Cooper, the medical staff, John Shire, his parents and you know, the last group that's going to be involved in this decision, probably his agent. I mean, because that's the world we live in now where all these players have agents and that, you know, he's a valuable commodity. They just want to make sure that he's going to be healthy. It's just an ankle sprain, but you don't want something to be something that's going to be a lingering ankle sprain that could impact, you know, a big picture, him working out for me, teams and things of that nature.
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Seth Greenberg
Seth Greenberg ESPN College Basketball Analyst the most vulnerable, number one seed is, you.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Know, that's, that's an interesting, I'm going to say the most vulnerable by the bracket they're in, and I would say that's going to be Houston. As hard as Houston plays, as well as they rebound the ball. But if you look at the bracket, first of all, Tennessee is kind of like Houston 1.0. I mean, Tennessee, Rick Barnes, he's play so hard, physical. May Shock and Zakai Ziegler are elite, elite defenders. But the rest of that bracket, if you look at teams that can, you know, be a problem, whether it's if Kentucky gets healthy, Lamont Butler plays, it's three point shooting, which is, you know, which is, which is an issue. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Clemson an experienced backcourt, Illinois finally healthy, and then Tennessee. So I would think Houston has the toughest run. Some people say Auburn because of Michigan with those two seven footers and Michigan State on the bottom of the draw. But my gut feeling is I have this feeling about Tennessee and just their connectivity, their toughness and they're due. They're due.
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Seth Greenberg
Explain Rick Pitino as a former coach and what he does, no matter where he goes, he wins. How does, how does this happen?
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Daniel Jeremiah
How does it happen? He's a savant. He takes his team and beats you and he takes your team and beats you. I mean, he's a savant. He is unrelenting in terms of the standard that he sets. He gets total buy in from his guys he gets winning players and tough guys, but in the end the guy has a gift. Even despite the white suit, he has a gift. I mean, what he does, whether it's a Boston University at Providence with the Knicks lid Louisville with Kentucky, now at St. John's he basically gets guys to play in a manner where they all buy into being winning players. They all buy into one thing, the good of the group. What he's done with Kadari Richmond, getting him to play every play a 6, 6 point guard, which makes them really hard to play against, or RJ Lewis who started at UMass, who's a shot maker and a scorer, and making him and getting him to buy him what it takes to be successful. Like he gets those guys to buy in to the greater good. He gets those guys to buy in to competing at a level they didn' now this time he's doing it with big six, six guards. You know, he also did it with Russ Smith and Peyton Siva. He also did it with Billy Donovan. He also did it with Mashburn. So he's just got a gift and he's in the perfect place because New York guy in New York selling out Madison Square Garden, having the runny had the year that coach car passes. Understanding the history and the tradition of St. John's embracing all that, this was a long time coming because I personally, the last time the job opened up, I probably would have said, you know, he's had some issues. But Rick Patino is New York basketball.
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Seth Greenberg
What happened to UConn this year?
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Daniel Jeremiah
They're not as good. I mean, like the level was so high and the bar was so high. I mean, you know, you lose cling and you lose sono go. The year before you lose, you know, you have two of everything in the post, you lose. Stephan Castle, elite defender. You know, before you lost Andre Jackson, elite defender, they swung and miss a little bit in the portal. I mean, that's just a fact. Their inability to defend the ball at the point of attack, offensively, it's still beautiful to watch their ball movement, their people move it. They don't have a shot creator offensively, which is a problem. They get everything out of their offense. Stephen Castle could just get down the lane, you know, Jordan Hawkins could come off a screen, bang a jumper or shot, fake and get in the lane. They don't have that. And then defensively they're just, they don't have a lockdown defender. So like even in this first game. Jeremiah Fears. Jeremiah Fears. There's a little Kyrie Irving in his Game like defending him in the three guards of Oklahoma, that's going to be a little bit of an issue. And then offensively you get to a short clock situation and you watch so much basketball, you know so much about it and are historian. You get to the end of a shot clock, who do you give the ball to? You give to Lee McNeely as a freshman who's like a six six guy that's developing into it. Give it to Hassan Diarra because he really can't score it, but he can get maybe in the lane. You know, they had pros they were giving the ball to at the end of the shot clock. Having said that, the dude is a savant. The dude is amazing. You know, you can like him, dislike him. He's great for college basketball. I go over there all the time to watch him practice. He's a master teacher. But it's model behavior. He acts and coaches no differently than his dad did when he was winning state championship after state championship and becoming a Hall of Fame coach. The guy is a tremendous coach and his players love him as hard as he is on him and he can be hard on him. His guys respond to him. He connects with him at a different level because you care so much.
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Seth Greenberg
The NBA has surrendered to the three. College basketball hasn't. But I don't know if. And I'll ask your opinion while I give mine, which isn't great. Interviewing but it almost feels like the coaches are in a little more control in college basketball of the style that you can play as opposed to the NBA where the stars are bigger than their coaches.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, we've turned into a European game, the college game. A lot of coaches are running a lot of five out. They're running not as much just pure ball screen. It's more ball and people movement. You know, like everyone. My thing about the NBA is NBA players take bad shots and make them college players take good shots and miss them. So like the coach has to have a more of a little bit more control. You know who you get shot from, where you get shot from, when you get the shot from. That's why I like Auburn even though they're struggling now. Bruce Pearl does a great job of getting his guys where they want their shots to get come from, which is important. So yeah, I, a lot of people disagree with me. I don't think we should go to a 24 second clock. I do think we could advance the multi in the games. I think that would be good because we'd have more exciting finishes. I think we should go to quarters, that's fine. I don't think we should move the three point linebacker. Our game is different. Our game is different. You know what? And we try to be the NBA. We're not going to be the NBA. You know, the chance to get the upset in the NCAA tournament is because of our rules. Like we would have never, when I was Virginia Tech, beaten Duke in North Carolina, when we beat Kansas, when we were at Long Beach State, we would have never had those wins if there was a 24 second clock, if the rule, if the rules were the way it is now. The one thing I am worried about, the NCAA tournament, especially for the SEC, is the SEC. 14 teams in a tournament, I think they can get three in the final Four potentially, which is the first time since the Big east did it. But it's been such a physical league. I do worry the first two rounds when they call it a little tighter and this league is so physical and handsy, if that's going to impact outcomes of games because they're going to get a bunch of teams in foul trouble.
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Seth Greenberg
Best college basketball team of your lifetime was who?
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Daniel Jeremiah
For me, in my lifetime, I played against them. And the unleashing of Jerry Darkadian. They came at you at warp speed. They were absolutely relentless. And I'm talking about teams I coached against. Yeah, they, they played at 113Amoeba. Then they played man to man and they came at you in like, at warp speed. Larry Johnson was running right to the front of the rim. Good luck. You play inside of me, catches it. You play behind him, he backs you down. Anderson Hunt's knocking down threes, how hard they played. So that's the one thing about Jer Tarkani. He was a great coach. He wasn't a good coach. He acquired talent. We know that. He had great players. But how hard they played, how they defended, how simple they were offensively, but how well they executed, they were, they were so hard to play against because of the force they played with, their selfishness they played with. And they never took a playoff. I mean, they just came at you, at you and at you. And it was just, it was a brutal 40 minutes.
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Seth Greenberg
And Bob Lee and I, when we did SportsCenter, we argued about how great this team, one of the great teams of all time. And we kept coming back to, they're blowing people out. If they get into a tight game, I want to see how they do. They got into a tight game in that, you know, second year when they faced Duke and they had a hard time getting a shot off. Your pick for the tournament is Florida. Okay, great.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Florida.
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Seth Greenberg
We'll talk to you. We'll talk to you during the tournament. Thank you again for making.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Thanks for having me, dad. Much respect.
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Seth Greenberg
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Greg Rosenthal
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Greg Rosenthal
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Seth Greenberg
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Greg Rosenthal
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Greg Rosenthal
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Greg Rosenthal
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Greg Rosenthal
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Seth Greenberg
Jeremy Fowler of the Mothership, senior national NFL writer joining us on the program. So let me start with the Bengals last night. Jeremy, your reaction to the Bengals signing those guys and what that means for the rest of this team on the other side of the ball?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, Dan. So this had been trending this way because Friday night there was some momentum that the Bengals were going to be able to reach a deal with both Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, who have the same agent. So this became a bit of a package deal a couple months ago and Higgins switch agencies. And so, you know, it was interesting. The Bengals really, a couple months ago were telling me that, hey, we're going to try to sign all three of these guys, Chase Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. So they've somehow pulled off two of the three. Even though they cost themselves millions of dollars waiting on Jamar Chase. If they would assigned them maybe eight months ago or even six months ago, the price probably would have been $20 million less. But he put together this triple crown season, so they've cost themselves a lot. Now they have Burrow, Chase Higgins on really well over $100 million per year in just cash. They're going to have to pay these guys, which makes it infinitely harder to get Trey Hendrickson done. Even though they're not overly eager to trade him, they really haven't engaged a lot in teams that have interest. And so they're trying to get this done too. I don't know how they're going to pull it off, especially with a team that is not really known for this spending at this kind of clip. But they are determined to surround Joe Burrow with what they can and meanwhile their defense has like minimal parts because they have to somehow draft and develop some guys on the cheap now.
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Seth Greenberg
But I'm, I'm just trying to understand these owners are smart enough to make a billion or two to be able to buy these teams. I just don't understand why you don't. If you know you're going to keep Jamar Chase, then sign, sign him when you can. You know, the Cowboys do this. There are certain teams that you just go, why are they waiting now? Maybe there's some math involved in this and I'm not smart enough to understand it, but if you know you're keeping them, then what are you waiting for?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, that's a valid argument. You're seeing it right now. I mean, just an hour ago, Derek Stingley Jr. Top cornerback for the Texans, signs for three years, $90 million, which is sticker shock for that position. But he's only three years into a first round pick deal, so they already had him for two years of contractual control. You do it now to be able to spread that money out over five years instead of like four. So that helps them to do it early. Buffalo is known for that. Like, they've been really aggressive with all their veteran players this offseason to try to get it done. Whatever the price is now, it's only going to go up. So I think teams are more trying to inherit that logic. The Philadelphia Eagles have mastered that. They're really aggressive. But look, some teams, they either don't want to pay it or in some cases they feel like what the agent and the player are trying to get is sort of untenable or something they're not comfortable with. I think that happens a lot. And look, Dallas, I don't know they'll ever say this, but the fact that they have waited on some of these, it's good for entertainment, keeps them in the news. We talk about Dallas every day, like Dak Prescott and CD Lamb. There has to be a cost. Well, there has to be a benefit for them associated with waiting six months till late August, early September, even though I think it was two to tango type situation, that wasn't all on the team in that case. But it's good for business and Dallas knows that.
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Seth Greenberg
I remember when Dan Orlovsky was on the show and he said, you know, I don't think Jerry Jones really cares about winning as much as keeping his name, his team in the news, like do. It's hard to fathom that for a guy who seems desperate to win one more Super Bowl. But do you think that's first and foremost, that's the game plan is we love when you talk about the Cowboys. It's good for business.
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Greg Rosenthal
I think it's both. Both can be true. You can handle all that and still try to win. Like, I was looking at my list because before free agency I did predict that Dallas would maybe be a little more aggressive than they were last year, that people thought like there's assumption that they're really cheap and all this stuff, you know, but they signed like up to seven starters last week. Not to huge money, more role players, but, like, they filled voids of what could be seven of their 22 starters. Like, that's pretty. I wouldn't call it aggressive, but that's like, you know, modest shopping. So that's something. I mean, it's. They're not just out here trying to put on a bad product. Like, they draft pretty well, so. And they don't want to overpay for guys. You know, it's. It's one of those things where they have paid their stars. Like they paid Dak Prescott, they paid CD Lamb. They do have a penchant for doing that. They just do it uncomfortably and sort of wait. But, you know, Micah Parsons will get paid. Like, unless something goes really haywire over the next four months, he will be paid to be a Dallas Cowboy, and he'll be paid handsomely.
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Seth Greenberg
Did the Seahawks have a good week? Good couple of weeks here. I'm trying to gauge.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah.
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Seth Greenberg
I mean, what do you think?
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Greg Rosenthal
If you feel like Sam Darnold is comparable or like maybe 80% of the player Geno Smith is, then, yes, they had a really good week. DK Metcalf didn't want to be there. Geno Smith didn't want to be there based mostly on the contract. I mean, there were whispers last year of him being really frustrated that they wouldn't redo his deal. And I just think Seattle, they showed it with Russell Wilson, too. Like, they just don't feel like paying quarterbacks, these crazy numbers. Like, they're taking a stand a little bit and saying, like, we're just not going to do that. They were always hesitant to do with Russell Wilson. It got ugly. It got ugly with Geno Smith. Like, they just. They want to build the roster different ways. You know, you're going to see the 49ers, they've scaled back a bunch of salaries in part because they have to pay Brock Purdy a massive number. Seattle saying no, and. And I kind of respect that Minnesota is saying no. They said no to Kirk Cousins last year. So there are different ways to build a roster. I think because of that. Like, really with Sam Darnold, it's. You're getting them for probably $10 million a year less than the Raiders are going to have to pay Geno Smith. And you got a third round pick for flipping him in a trade. If you like Sam Darnold a lot, that's good value. Like, they had a good week. You know, Cooper cup, he's 31, some injuries, but, like, he can still play. You know, DK Metcalf, you never want to trade a guy that talent, but they get a second round pick for him and he didn't want to be there and they didn't want to pay him. Like, like. So if you're Seattle and you say, okay, we don't want to allocate these massive resources to these players. They did about the best they could, but now they have question marks with a team that already had them. That's sort of the issue.
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Seth Greenberg
Help me understand what the Vikings are doing. And I don't know if they need to say if they've gotten to that point. We're not interested in Aaron Rodgers. Like they, they could do that and, you know, put an end to this. Yeah, but they haven't done the fire.
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Greg Rosenthal
You're right. And it's, it's curious and I'm trying to find out what that means. The people I've talked to with the organization have been pretty consistent with their message. With me, it's that Aaron Rodgers is possible, but unlikely. That's sort of the messaging that I've gotten. So that's what I'm taking. So I'm, I'm leaving room for a wild card. Something crazy to happen with Rogers. I don't expect it. I think they're ready to roll a J.J. mcCarthy. I think they're, it's very possible they're waiting on some of these dominoes to fall and figure out how much money they need to spend on a good backup so that it doesn't mess up their comp pick formula. Because they want future draft picks. You know, if you spend a certain amount of free agency without losing enough players and that balance is off, you don't get as many draft picks. So that's a consideration for them. So they're trying to play the long game a little bit in the smart game and not overreact here because they spent a lot of money on other positions last week. But all their moves, especially with like two big offensive line signings, says we're all in on JJ McCarthy and his development. Like from what they've told me, like he has already proven he is going to be their franchise guy. It just depends on whether it happens today. Four months from today, 12 months from today. But they're convinced of that and so they're just only willing to go so far. I'd be surprised if Rogers is there. I still think he'll be, you know, if I had to bet right now a Pittsburgh Steeler. Meanwhile, the Giants are just sort of, like, scouring the earth for quarterback help. Like, they're still having Jameis Winston come in for a visit. Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson was there last week. Like, they're keeping all their options open with the hopes that they can still get Rodgers.
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Seth Greenberg
What's Pittsburgh's plan B?
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Greg Rosenthal
That's a great question. So, like, look, that last week or a week and a half ago, they put together an offer for Justin Fields that I. I was told was. Was very competitive with what the jets offered him, which was two years, 40 million with 30 million guaranteed. Something went off where he chose the jets, and he must have felt the love more from the jets than he did the Steelers, who essentially benched him last year for Russell Wilson. So he gets a fresh start. I do believe they were all in on Fields. I don't know if they had Fields ahead of Rogers, but they were willing to do fields. Like, both sides at one point were open to it. It didn't work. And so now, you know, I just checked with the Steelers. They don't have any updates. They're waiting on the situation. They're not bringing any other quarterbacks in for visits that I'm aware of. So they're not playing the Giants game. They're waiting on Rogers. They have Mason Rudolph as a backup. Well, they signed him just sort of as insurance last year. Two years, $8 million because he started games there before. Like, they at least know if the bottom falls out, they have him and can draft somebody. I think that would probably be the play at this point. They know Russell Wilson well. I don't sense a lot of momentum with Pittsburgh and Russell Wilson at this point. And plus, you're going back to, what, your third option now? Hey, you started games first last year, but now you're a number three. Let's make this work. It just doesn't seem like a. A even marriage.
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Seth Greenberg
Damn. And then the Giants have to wait for everybody, right?
- [31:53]
Greg Rosenthal
Yeah. Yeah, the Giants. You know, I do know that Russell Wilson has looked at the Giants as a viable option for a while now, even dating back to the super bowl around the end of the season. So he must have seen some of those dominoes coming. So I. I do think that will eventually be the play if the money's right. You know, I think he still looks at himself as a valuable starter, and that costs money. I'm curious how far teams are willing to go just because of the musical chairs. He's played the last three years with different organizations at quarterback, so, you know, he's got a cap where you have to work it out financially. And these teams will probably, probably be looking more for like a lower end bridge deal. And I don't know if he's willing to accept that at this stage given all that he's done and all the Pro Bowls that he's made in the super bowl pedigree. So that complicates things a little bit. But my sense is, you know, if, certainly if Rogers goes to Pittsburgh, Russell Wilson slides right into that Giant spot unless things get crazy.
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Seth Greenberg
But can you see the Giants taking Shador Sanders? Could you see the Giants actually try? I don't know if Tennessee's going to actually take Cam Ward. They sound like they are, but I don't believe anything until it happens. But can you see the Giants being aggressive with either one of these quarterbacks?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yes. And even coming even before the Aaron Rodgers talk when they were going for Matthew Stafford, like they spent a month on trying to get Matthew Stafford and put together big financial packages and they were sort of left at the altar. But the sense coming out of the combine was if they strike out on Stafford, they're going to go draft, they're going to go heavy there with that third pick, maybe try to trade up. I still think that's a possibility. If you get Rogers or even Wilson to a lesser extent like that at least frees you up to not have to do that if you don't want to give up too much. But some of that was predicated on Tennessee wanting to move back. It does seem like now, again, a lot can happen with the draft. I won't make sweeping determinations, but from what I've gathered, they seem pretty comfortable with Cam Ward, like there's some momentum there with other teams. I've talked to league wide that they feel like they're just going to sit there and take Ward. I know the interviews with Ward have gone well. They feel comfortable with like the mistakes he has made on the field. They feel like he, he's done a good job of explaining those and can be coached and correct them and he's got the obvious upside on top of that. So if you equal all that out, you know, you sense a little momentum for the Titans to sit put. That could complicate things for the Giants. If they're comfortable with Shador at three or even moving up to two, is that too rich for them? I think they're weighing all those things, but in the short term, they've got to figure this out and at least get a solution. Bird in hand with a veteran free.
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Seth Greenberg
Agent but can you see the Browns taking Shador Sanders?
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Greg Rosenthal
So the Browns have been probably the most unpredictable in all this. Like they don't have a lot of money to spend. I do think Cousins, Kirk Cousins could be in play for them because of the familiarity with Kevin Stefanski, but there's not. Atlanta really is just they don't want to move them. And then if they do move them, they're going to want somebody to pay a good amount of that offset money with the $37 million they owe them. So that complicates things for the Browns because the Panda, Sean Watson, they're looking at guys like Carson Wentz, too, as sort of contingency plans. So they've been all over the map, really. You know, they acquired Kenny Pickett last week, so they've been tough to figure out a little bit. I do know that they like Shador. To what extent, if they're willing to pick them two overall, I cannot say. I do know there's some love there for Shador Sanders and sort of his computer brain to be able to, you know, feel out the game mentally like they have some respect for what Shador can do in that area, maybe more than some teams.
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Seth Greenberg
Great stuff, Jeremy. Thanks for joining us.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, thanks again, Dan. Appreciate it, man.
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Seth Greenberg
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People are forming opinions of you even.
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Walk into the room. And so you really have to think about what is it I want to display?
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Seth Greenberg
Jerry Dulak has been covering the Steelers for a long time. By the way, Bill Cower will join us on the program tomorrow. Jerry Dulac covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and the Steelers Radio Network. If I ask you a month ago, what are the Steelers doing at quarterback? You would have said what I would.
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Jerry Dulak
Have said, not Aaron Rodgers for sure. And I was the last thing I thought they would do. I thought it would be between, excuse me, Russell Wilson and Justin Fields with a split internally in the organization as to who wants as to which person wants which quarterback. And so knowing that the offensive coordinator did not get along with Russell Wilson at the end, they butted heads over how the game, how the offense should be run. And knowing that he was a big fan of Justin Fields, I thought they would lean toward that. But then the offensive coordinator doesn't trump the head coach, the GM and the owner. But there was a split there. So that's what the way I thought it would unfold and given the age difference and, and the potential with what they saw from Justin Fields, I would have guessed Justin Fields, I would not have guessed waiting for Aaron Rodgers.
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Seth Greenberg
The Steelers don't feel steeler like right now that you bring in DK Metcalf, you don't have a quarterback. You're waiting for a quarterback that might not show up and if he shows up, who knows what you're getting. But is there change of philosophy? Like it's not just hey we went nine and eight and we had a winning season and we lose in the first round. Like eventually you gotta aspire to a little more than that, I would think.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah.
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Jerry Dulak
You know, Danny made the playoffs for the last five years. So it's not like the sky is falling and there are more bun franchise but 10 and seven each of the last two years. But more significantly, first round playoff exits, you know, that's eight years now without a playoff win. Mike Tomlin has now had eight one and done. Marty Schottenheimer is the only guy with more with nine. So yeah, they aspire to more. The move for Aaron Rodgers, without question, Dan is very unsteeler. Like that's why I said just a bit earlier that that was the last thing I thought they would do would be get involved with that guy with a lot of the, you know, let's face it, strange behavior that he exhibits. But that's where they are and where, you know, what they are interested in right now is the same thing they were interested in last year. That is the immediacy of trying to win a playoff game and getting back on track. It's almost one step at a time. That's the next objective. But they haven't even reached that. I will tell you this. Whether Aaron Rodgers or if they feel compelled that they need to bring in a veteran through a trade, nobody's getting more than a one year deal. They are fully aware that it's time to move on and try to find, try to find that franchise quarterback.
- [42:41]
Seth Greenberg
Can you see them doing anything in the draft, quarterback wise?
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Jerry Dulak
Well, you know Danny, they gave up that number two pick in the DK Metcalf trade. So it's either, you know, it's either number one and I don't see him going into the first round this year. But certainly they know they have to do it by next year, maybe the third round. Take a chance on a guy if there's someone they like. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's Jackson Dart or Will Howard. But I do know they have interest in those guys. Not and don't know if they'll be there in the third round. Maybe they have to move into the second round to do so. But I know that is certainly if it's not urgency this year, it certainly.
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Seth Greenberg
Is by next year with the Steeler fan base. Embrace Aaron Rodgers.
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Jerry Dulak
The feedback, slash blowback I've received Dan, during this whole period is I don't think anybody is thrilled to see. Oh, some people are, but the majority are not in favor of the movement somewhat for what you referenced earlier about it not seeming like the Steeler way. The guy's 42 years old. He won five games last year with the jets and hit the hit, you know, he had, he had Garrett Wilson, Devonte Adams, Alan Lazard. He had much better receivers than the Steelers had and that's what you're looking at here. So it's not like it offers a lot of promise. You know Dan, I'll say this. Aaron Rodgers is the greatest thrower of the football that I have ever seen. But he's 42 and you know, let's face It I think he's putting out on the 18th green if he isn't already finished with his round, professionally speaking.
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Seth Greenberg
He's Jerry Dulak. He covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Steelers radio network handicap the rest of the division here. Let me start with the Bengals with what they did last night by tying up those two receivers and maybe they have enough money to sign Trey Hendrickson.
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Jerry Dulak
Yeah, that's going to be a big key because now you're going to, you know, let's face it, you sign those two, you're going to weaken the rest of their of your team. I don't blame them for what they did, but that is a lot of money tied up in a quarterback and two wide receivers, probably at the sake of the rest of your team. You know, Trey Hendrickson was the one guy on that defense that, you know, gave them a bit of a spark. But if you can't sign him, and if they do now, you're really hamstrung with how much money you have left. So are really. Are those four guys enough to challenge the Ravens? Well, I'm a big Joe Burrow fan and there's two wide receivers. The one in particular is elite. So, you know, I would, because of the issues right now, I'd put them ahead of the Steelers. I never would rank the Browns ahead of the Steelers because along with the jets, to me, they're the two most dysfunctional franchises in the NFL when, you know, the Ravens are still the Ravens. So, you know, if you want me to handicap it, I'd say Baltimore, 1, Cincinnati 2, Steelers 3, Browns 4.
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Seth Greenberg
It's always nice to have the Browns still in the division there, Jerry.
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Jerry Dulak
Yes, it is. It means you don't have to finish in a basement.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah, but I wonder what they're going to do. Can they get squirrely and take a quarterback, you know, at 2?
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Jerry Dulak
Well, they would have to trade into the round to get it, Dan, because that second round pick is gone. You know, I will tell you this. I have not gotten any sense of panic in the organization. They feel, if need be, based on what they saw the last three games of the 2023 season from Mason Rudolph, that if he has to be your starter, then they will go along with that. All that being said, Dan, this is a team that always, always, always has two quarterbacks at the ready, two veterans. And so even if they don't sign Aaron Rodgers, they have to bring in some type of quarterback with starting experience. Veteran starting experience. Skyler Thompson isn't that guy. And so either way, Even if it is going to be Mason Rudolph and even if they draft a quarterback, they still want to have a veteran either as the second quarterback or the third quarterback.
- [46:46]
Seth Greenberg
Do you think Russell Wilson is still a starter in this league?
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Jerry Dulak
I will. Let me say this. He is still an option for the Steelers, but not a solid one, Dan, because, you know, he's, he's down the totem pole. Because if he was any type of option that they seriously considered, I think they would have made that move by now. You know, I think Russell Wilson gets a bad rap. I look at what he did for those first seven games that he started. This offense, averaged nearly 29 points a game, and it finally, finally looked like a unit that was capable of bailing out the defense, which is exactly what he did in that game in Cincinnati when He put up 44 points, the Bengals scored 38 and he threw for 414. And actually outdoor Joe Burrow. It was from that point on, strangely enough, where I think the head butting began with the coordinator. And we know what happened. I'm not saying that's the reason, but they lost their last five games. So I think Russell Wilson can be an effective starter, but he's certainly not a guy who, I think in the short term, but I don't think you're going to bring him in and think he's going to be your quarterback for the next two or three years.
- [47:53]
Seth Greenberg
Can Mike Tomlin survive another 10 and 7, first round exit or, you know, sometimes both say, both sides say maybe, you know, we've gone as far as we could go. I. So I don't know. The Steelers don't fire coaches, but. But can he survive that scenario?
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Jerry Dulak
I think he could survive another 10 and 7. I think he could survive 9 and 8. They gave him a three year extension. He's good through 2027. And I've always gotten a sense, Dan, that, you know, it's up to Mike Tomlin if, if and when he feels maybe I've had enough. You know, all this, none of this debate is about whether Mike Tomlin is a good coach. We know that. It's about how much longer are you going to continue to watch the same thing before you think, hey, you know what, maybe we just need a change. And it's no reflection on whether Mike Tomlin is a good coach or not.
- [48:46]
Seth Greenberg
Great to talk to you as always. Thank you, Jerry.
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Jerry Dulak
Yeah, Dan, you got it. Good being with you, man.
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Seth Greenberg
That's Jerry Dulek.
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