The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show Release Date: May 2, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick engages in insightful and spirited discussions with notable guests from the worlds of sports journalism and analysis. The conversation spans major topics in the NBA, strategic insights into baseball, and touches upon broader themes within sports culture. This summary captures the essence of these discussions, highlighting key points, memorable quotes, and the overall flow of the conversation.

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NBA Playoffs and Team Dynamics

Guest: Clayton English, NBA Analyst

Dan Patrick kicks off the episode with an in-depth conversation with Clayton English regarding the NBA playoffs, focusing particularly on the performance of teams like the Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons, and the New York Knicks.

• Golden State Warriors' Championship Run

  • Dan Patrick [01:33]: "And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State Warriors are the 2015 NBA champions."
  • Clayton English [07:47]: Discusses the Warriors' strategic moves over the past decade, emphasizing their consistent performance and the controversial decisions that fueled their success.

• New York Knicks' Fan Enthusiasm

  • Dan Patrick [04:00]: "Do the Knicks fans celebrate too much?"
  • Clayton English [04:29]: Explains that the Knicks' fans deserve to celebrate despite the team's long drought in making the conference finals last since 2000. He appreciates their energy, stating, "They're a fun bunch to be around."

• Player Performance and Coaching Decisions

  • Dan Patrick [05:49]: Criticizes coaching decisions, specifically highlighting frustration when a star player like Jalen Brunson is not adequately supported on the floor.
  • Clayton English [06:39]: Emphasizes the importance of defensive excellence, stating, "What greater test is it right now than to stop the most clutch player in the NBA this season?"

• Future Prospects and Team Strategies

  • Dan Patrick [07:43]: Shifts focus to discuss the threat levels of the Clippers versus the Nuggets.
  • Clayton English [07:47]: Analyzes team constructions, noting the Clippers are better equipped but highlighting the ongoing dominance of Nikola Jokic.

Notable Quote:

Dan Patrick [14:06]: "I think Giannis has won a grand total of one playoff series since 2021. [...] I would take Giannis over Luka because he stays in shape and because he's a great player on both ends of the floor."

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Baseball Insights with David Cohn

Guest: David Cohn, Baseball Analyst

Transitioning from basketball to baseball, Dan Patrick welcomes David Cohn to dissect the impressive performance of Aaron Judge and delve into pitching strategies against elite hitters.

• Aaron Judge's April Performance

  • Dan Patrick [23:33]: "What exactly did Aaron Judge do in the month of April?"
  • David Cohn [24:52]: Highlights Judge's remarkable stats, including a batting average over .400 and reduced strikeout rates, attributing his success to smart hitting and anticipation.

• Pitching Strategies Against Top Hitters

  • Cohn [25:16]: "If I were to face Shohei Ohtani, same strategy applies—trying to get ahead somehow."
  • Discussion: Explores the balance pitchers must find when facing power hitters who are both aggressive and selective, emphasizing the importance of early pitch strategy to gain count leverage.

• Hall of Fame Considerations

  • Cohn [34:44]: Reflects on his Hall of Fame candidacy, mentioning his WAR statistics and comparing himself to contemporaries like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez.
  • Dan Patrick [35:08]: "You would. You didn't win 200 games, which probably, you know, we like round numbers."

Notable Quote:

David Cohn [26:15]: "He's such a smart hitter, Dan. He's chasing less than ever. You can't get him to chase those breaking balls out of the zone anymore."

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Humorous Exchange and Light-Hearted Moments

Amidst the serious analysis, Dan Patrick injects humor into the conversation, particularly when discussing player names and hypothetical scenarios.

• Naming a Derby Horse
  • Dan Patrick [47:29]: Jokes about naming a horse "Hurricane Wanker," leading to a playful reprimand from guest Loni Ali.
  • Loni Ali [47:58]: Reacts humorously, "I can't believe you've just done that."

Notable Quote:

Dan Patrick [48:15]: "Stop it."

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with continued discussions on sports topics, interspersed with promotional segments and brief exchanges that highlight the camaraderie between Dan Patrick and his guests. The show effectively balances deep analytical conversations with moments of levity, providing listeners with a comprehensive and entertaining sports discourse.

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Memorable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dan Patrick [05:49]: "I find it inexcusable that you can't get the ball out of the hands of the one guy who can beat you."

• Clayton English [07:47]: "What greater test is it right now than to stop the most clutch player in the NBA this season?"

• Dan Patrick [14:06]: "I would take Giannis over Luka because he stays in shape and because he's a great player on both ends of the floor."

• David Cohn [26:15]: "He's such a smart hitter, Dan. He's chasing less than ever."

• Dan Patrick [48:15]: "Stop it."

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Final Thoughts

"The Best of The Dan Patrick Show" encapsulates the dynamic range of topics that Dan Patrick consistently brings to his audience. From sharp critiques of playoff strategies to in-depth analysis of baseball talents, the episode serves as a testament to the show's commitment to delivering engaging and informative sports content. Whether you're a die-hard NBA fan or a baseball enthusiast, this episode offers valuable insights and memorable moments that resonate long after listening.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015.

[Vincent Goodwill]

NBA champions on the new limited podcast series Dub dynasty. It's been 10 years since their shocking run to a championship. We examined the controversial move that made it possible.

[David Cohn]

It's never a great conversation as a player when you hear that you're being.

[Vincent Goodwill]

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[Laura Carenti]

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[Clayton English]

Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.

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[Clayton English]

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[Muhammad Ali]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

[Dan Patrick]

Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports, NBA writer and host of the Good Word podcast on Yahoo Sports Ball Don't Lie channel. Joining us on the program. You heard those stories about Prince, right?

[Clayton English]

I actually had dinner with someone last week in LA who talked about having a pickup game with Prince at the University of Minnesota in the late 70s with the that Kevin McHale team. And the coach told Prince to get off the floor because he was like, you're just a random guy here. But Prince was playing so well that the players were like, man, just come back. So. Yeah, and the Prince Stevie Wonder argument is closer to me than the Michael lebron argument. It depends on the day.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. So you're saying Stevie Wonder?

[Clayton English]

Probably.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, probably.

[Clayton English]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll respect that. You're wrong, but I'll respect that.

[Laura Carenti]

Prince.

[Dan Patrick]

Prince was a hit machine, man. He was. And you know, Stevie, what is it? Songs in the Key of Life.

[Clayton English]

Look, Songs in the Key of Life in a Visions Talking Book. He had a run in the 70s that I'm not sure any artist ever has done. So that. That's the Stevie argument.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, do the Knicks fans celebrate too much?

[Clayton English]

Dan, when you haven't won anything, then you deserve to celebrate. Like, the last time the Knicks made the conference finals in the east was in 2000. I was a sophomore in high school, man, so I get it. I. I totally understand. Every other team has made it to the conference final, so most teams have made it to the conference final six since then. The Knicks haven't. So, you know, I appreciate their energy. I really do. They're a fun bunch to be around.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so you can't say, act like you've been there because they haven't been there in such a long time. But your fan base, I mean, you just beat the Pistons and you're celebrating like you want it won a championship. When they beat the Hawks a couple of years ago, they celebrated like they'd won a championship here. I like the enthusiasm, but they kind of treat the Knicks like they're, you know, the young upstart team. Like they were the Pistons, you know, like, hey, look at this little spunky group here.

[Clayton English]

Well, I mean, they've won 50 games, right? Like this should be expected of the Knicks. Yeah, Knicks are the team that was prohibitively the favorite in this. And you won three games on the road by the skin of your chinny. Chin chin. It took the refs to help you one game. It took, you know, Asar Thompson, who had Jalen Brunson in jail in the fourth quarter. Like Dan, you've ever been on punishment before where you can't go outside and you look outside and the weather is just good and your friends are running around and you can't go anywhere because you did something stupid? That's what Jalen Brown was. Excuse me, Jalen Brown. Jalen Brunson was until that last play, a phenomenal play. And now the Knicks have reality facing them because the Boston Celtics are going to send them home in unremarkable fashion. If it goes six games, I will be happy for the Knicks.

[Dan Patrick]

I, this, this is one of my pet peeves. And I, I'm. I apologize to my honors because they know that I say this all the time. I, I can't let the best guy on the floor beat me. He, he was just named the most clutch player in the NBA. They actually have an award that they give to him. Thompson had done a wonderful job on him. But I go back to when I watched Michael Jordan push off Brian Russell and there's no help coming against Mike. So the greatest player in the history of the game, and you're going to have one guy try to guard him. And here's Jalen Brunson. Where is the help to get the ball out of his hands? Cat's not on the floor, had any fouled out, so maybe you're going to force somebody who's not used to taking that shot. I find it inexcusable that you can't get the ball out of the hands of the. The one guy, you know, who can beat you.

[Clayton English]

I think coaches like to keep things simple because when you get into scramble situations, someone cuts and gets open. Earlier in that fourth quarter, Mikhail Bridges wound up getting to tip in because the floor was unbalanced. A lot of times you're going to say, Asar Thompson, you want to be one of the best defenders in the game. If we are to elevate ourselves as a franchise, as the Detroit Pistons, you have to be the guy in these situations. What greater test is it right now than to stop the most clutch player in the NBA this season? Like if you're the Pistons, you're playing with house money at that point. Dan, this isn't the NBA Finals in 1998 where you got John Stockton and Karl Malone's legacy on the line. You can afford in that spot in this series to find out what you have if this went to a Game seven, Dan, the Pistons would have been wiped out, like, emotionally. I think that series would have taken so much out of them because they weren't expecting to play this long, given where they were last year. So you saw what you had in the sar Thompson in that moment, he's going to learn from it. And hopefully for the Piston's sake and for Thompson, he will come back better for it next season.

[Dan Patrick]

Who's more threatening going forward, the Clippers or the Nuggets?

[Clayton English]

Oh, I mean, look, I think the Clippers are better constructed, right? I think the Clippers to some degree are a better matchup for the Oklahoma City Thunder. But have you noticed what Nikola Jokic is? He's still the best player on earth right now. And anytime you have a guy who can tilt the axis of a game just by his mere presence, because you have to double him. You can't let Isaiah Hartenstein or Chet Holmgren or anybody else guard him one on one. Assuming they get to the next round and have game seven on that home floor tomorrow, like, that's where the balance comes. The question comes to me, Dan, do you trust James Harden in a critical situation? In a critical game? He showed up last night. But that's been more or less the anomaly in the long term. Like, he's had some great games and he's had some stinkers. And the stinkers stand out a lot more than the great games. They're just louder. But, Dan, have you noticed the players who have the stinkers, the players who have the loud, bad games, suddenly have come to the forefront and had some great ones, like Julius Randle with the.

[Dan Patrick]

Minnesota Timberwolves, talking to Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo. Sports NBA writer. He was there last night with the Pistons and the Knicks. You also witnessed the Lakers get eliminated by the Timberwolves. Let me bring back what JJ Redick said yesterday in his exit interview. This is how he starts out. And I want to know how you think this resonated with Luca.

[Laura Carenti]

I'll start with the off season and the work that's required in an off season to be in championship shape. And, you know, we have a ways to go as a roster. And certainly there are individuals that were in phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have been in better shape. That's where my mind goes immediately, is, you know, we have to get in championship shape.

[Dan Patrick]

He's on the cusp of saying, luke, I'm talking about you. How do you think Luca is taking this?

[Clayton English]

I mean, when you get traded and the underlying tenor of that was, we think you're fat and out of shape and you don't play defense and we don't think your career is going to last very long, as it should. That should be a wake up call in itself. I'm a bit surprised that Luca didn't get himself in better shape in LA once he was traded. Having that sort of wake up call, that sort of public embarrassment, like, say what you want about being traded to the Lakers and you're the next guy and everything else. Dallas rejected him or Nico Harrison rejected him in such a way that was public and in such a way that usually challenges a player. And then JJ Redick goes out there and challenges him like that. Van, he was food in that series against the Lakers. He was blown by every single time and he just looked so gassed and out of it. And by the time game five came around, you could tell he was going to be productive. But he can be productive with his eyes closed. Like, Van, go look at what Luka looked like as a rookie when he was a teenager. You're like, man, he looked like an Adonis compared to the guy that we see now. So I suspect he will come back in better shape because, you know, he wasn't talking about LeBron James. Like, we know who he was talking about there. So, yeah, Luca got challenged publicly in a way that he has to respond now.

[Dan Patrick]

Doesn't this back up what Nico Harrison was saying in Dallas?

[Clayton English]

Yeah, it does. Does it validate the trade? Does it validate what you got in return for the trade? Does it validate that you did not scan the league to get the best return possible for the trade? I don't think anybody. I won't say there's not too many people. There's a lot of people who were like, you know what, Luca? I mean, excuse me, Nico Harrison's out of his damn mind. Right? But there were some people who are willing to say, you know what, I understand what Nico was doing. I just wouldn't have gone about it the way that Nico did it. And now, yeah, the greatest thing for me is this. Nico Harrison essentially called Luka Doncic a loser. Pretty much. He says, I've been around world class athletes who are winners and champions, and you don't fit the bill of that. If there is not a greater indictment whether he's wrong or right. But for someone to basically and tacitly say that about you and then repeatedly say that about you in the aftermath and say, I'm not even afraid to trade you to the Lakers, I think that's how much of a loser you are, you better have a fire lit on the ass.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And now I understand why you can trade him. You don't want to invest that kind of money. You must get a better haul in return. That would be the only thing that I would argue with this, the pushback on this. But let's say Christie and AD Were still on the team and you didn't make this trade. Were they better equipped to beat Minnesota and actually make a longer run in the postseason than with Luca?

[Clayton English]

Yeah, it's one of those things like the butterfly effect. Right. Like, if you put that team against this Minnesota team. Yeah, you got somebody that can handle Rudy Gobert, but you're not getting to the third seed without Luka Doncic being able to carry the regular season load in a way that LeBron James probably can't at 40 years old in the way that you structure your roster. This was a better playoff roster with Anthony Davis. It was a better regular season roster for Luka Doncic. Like, make no mistake about it. All the things that we said, he's still a top three player in the game. Let's. Let's not get it twisted. There's just more space for him to grow in the meantime.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, wait a minute. You say he's top three. So Luca's best or Joker's best?

[Clayton English]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Sga. Giannis. You're going to put Luca over Giannis?

[Clayton English]

I think Giannis has won a grand total of one playoff series since 2021. At some point, you got to start. You got. You have to start saying, what have you done for me lately? Janet Jackson, you got to start saying that. And I would take Giannis over Luka because he stays in shape and because he's a great player on both ends of the floor. But I, if any, I wouldn't quibble with anybody who says that.

[Dan Patrick]

Lucas 3, would you take Anthony Edwards over Luca?

[Clayton English]

Now we're getting somewhere. And now we're getting a little spicy here. You know, Ant man, Superman, Batman, Lakers in five. Like, don't you love that? Don't you love the fact that Ant is so outside he pays attention to what everybody says? But. But on the floor, Dan, there's a pride there. That Ant looked at the Lakers and he said, I'm going to put these dudes out. And not only am I going to put these dudes out, but I'm locking up LeBron, I'm locking up Luca. Like, taking the personal challenge of all this on both ends of the floor, realizing that both ends of the floor are important and leading. Like, think about this. He's gotten the most out of Rudy Gobert, Carl Anthony Towns and Julius Randle. That's a motley crew of dudes that, as an NBA public, we don't believe in.

[Dan Patrick]

I like that the Lakers made Rudy Gobert look like Will Chamberlain and they.

[Clayton English]

Made Julius Randall look like Charles Barkley circa 1989. Like, are we kidding here? Like, the Lakers just didn't have anything for Rudy Gobert. And when Rudy's the punching bag and Julius is the punching bag, it's good to see the rabbit have the gun sometimes. And I'm really, really fascinated by this. Next year I'll be covering the next series, whether it's Minnesota and Houston or Minnesota and the Golden State Warriors. And if Anthony Edwards, Dan, puts out in consecutive years, Kevin Durant, Nicola jokic, Luka Doncic, LeBron James, and then maybe Steph Curry. We're talking about an Isaiah Thomas run, a Hakeem Olajuwon run of putting out dudes with my bare hands. Can't wait to see it.

[Dan Patrick]

Golden State in an okay situation here. How do you feel about them?

[Clayton English]

They better win tonight. Are you kidding me? They better win tonight. Dan, you got a game six on your home floor. Anything can happen in the game seven. And when you're playing against a young and dumb team, and I say that affection. I just watched a young and dumb team in Detroit last night. You don't want to give them any confidence to believe that they can actually win this series. Like, we know Houston is one player away. Whoever that player is, we don't know. We will see. But they're a player away. Golden State is built to win. Right now, Draymond Green is where he is. Jimmy Butler, they acquired him for this. This is why you have the guys that you have. Not just so you can get out of the first round so that you can make a legit run to the NBA Finals if they lose a 31 lead. Dan, can you imagine the jokes to Ime Udoka and the Houston Rockets?

[Dan Patrick]

My goodness, what happens to Jimmy Butler if they bow out here?

[Clayton English]

I mean, he's going to still have a lot of money in a couple of more years to figure this out with Golden State? I think it's. It's a bad look for everybody. But as we saw with Jimmy Butler in game four, with that bad injury, he's capable of carrying them in ways that lifts a team not dissimilar to what Stephen Curry does. They just do it in a different way. I would not be surprised if the warriors treat this like a game 7 tonight because they have to treat it like a Game seven tonight if for no other reason. Dan, they need the rest. They need a couple of more days before going on to the next series. You don't want to be wearing the Houston Rockets scent on you while you're playing Anthony Edwards in the Minnesota Timberwolves in the next round. You don't want those problems.

[Dan Patrick]

Always great to talk to you. Safe travels. Thanks again for joining us.

[Clayton English]

Always good, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports NBA writer and host of Good Word podcast on Yahoo. Sports.

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[Dan Patrick]

Dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015.

[Vincent Goodwill]

NBA champions on the new limited podcast series Dub dynasty. It's been 10 years since their shocking run to a championship. We examine the controversial move that made it possible.

[David Cohn]

It's never a great conversation as a player when you hear that you're being.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Benched for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Dan Patrick]

He's David Cohn. He won five world championships. He works for the yes network and also ESPN Sunday night baseball analyst. And I've been watching baseball and reading about baseball and I forgot about Aaron Judge. And I looked at the numbers. His April is mind blowing. Like it's, it's Barry Bonzian. And I said to Fritzi, I said, see if David Cohen will join us just to put this in perspective. And Coney joins us now. You get to see this on a daily basis here. What exactly did Aaron Judge do in the month of April?

[David Cohn]

Well, Dan, thanks for having me on again. Always a pleasure. I got my time zones mixed up. Central east coast, you know, 10:00, 11:00. But you know, and you know, we'll leave that where it is. But you're watching Aaron Judge since the day he showed up. I was in the booth with Joe Tory, actually, and Paul O'Neal. His major league debut. He had a massive home run off the center field restaurant, the black glass up in Yankee Stadium. We couldn't believe what we were seeing. And then over the years we said, well, yeah, tremendous power. Strikes out a little too much. He struck out about 40% of the time on average when he first broke in. Now it's in half. He's cut that in half. He's only striking out 20% of the time now and his batting average is over.400. The Power's still there. He's such a smart hitter, Dan. He's chasing less than ever. You can't get him to chase those breaking balls out of the zone anymore. He's hitting for a High average. It's just, it seems to me that the only way you can talk about Aaron Judge is talk about how smart he is as a hitter. He anticipates the flow better than ever. He knows how you're going to pitch him and, and he's, he's on you. He knows you, he reads you. He, he's getting better and better and better every year to where now he's only striking out, as I said, about 20% of the time. Major League Baseball average is about 22%. He's below average, striking out now and still hitting 450 foot home runs.

[Dan Patrick]

But he has a bigger strike zone. I think eight years ago, everybody talked about is that swing going to hold up. You know, big guy, long swing, but it has held up. But you as a former Cy Young winner and you win five World Series titles, I want you to, you're going to face Aaron Judge right now. So first inning, he comes to the plate. How do you start Aaron Judge?

[David Cohn]

Well, he does swing at enough first pitch fastballs to where that kind of scares me a little bit. You know, even though he's very selective now, he gets a ton of walks he doesn't chase, but he's still ready aggressively for that first pitch fastball. So, Dan, I'm still, I'm trying to get ahead of him. I'm trying to sort of get ahead with a breaking ball because a lot of times he'll spot you that. So if you can drop a curveball in there for the first strike, then you've got count leverage. And now maybe I'll try to bust him up and in out of the zone, but everything I'm throwing him is around the edges and up in the zone. I still think, you know, you try to get him up and in any great hitter, if it was Barry Bonds, if it was Babe Rue, for that matter, I've got to test them up and in to see if they'll chase to see if they can hit a fastball right on the upper right quadrant, upper inside corner. And then once I find that out, then I'm back to trying to throw breaking balls. But that's where he's been so impressive. He does not chase. The fish aren't biting Aaron Judge this year. It's just his chase rate is top five. He just does not, does not chase breaking balls out of the zone.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, you're going to face Shohei Ohtani. What are you doing?

[David Cohn]

Same thing, you know, I've got to do to try to get ahead somehow, because he's very aggressive from the first pitch on. And if I were to give any advice to any slugger out there, I would say be ready on the first pitch. If you're going to spot me a strike, then I'm going to take it. I'm going to get a lot of the plate. If I think that you're going to, you know, not swing. That's how I face Mike Piazza in the 2000 World Series. I knew he would take a first pitch strike. So I threw an 85 mile an hour fastball right down the middle and he took it for a strike. And I still can't believe it. And then I went to work, I started throwing sliders, started throwing fastballs in, got him to pop up. So that, that's kind of the strategy. Try to get ahead with something off speed, eventually test them up and in throughout the course of the at bat and then see if you can still try to get them to chase. And they're two hitters that don't chase all that often.

[Dan Patrick]

But you look at these guys who are, and I would think that first pitch you're, you're not trying to throw something away. It's going to be around the plate. That if I'm a hitter, I'm just, I'm going to sit on something, I'm going to guess that you're going to throw me a fastball and it's going to be around the plate. That would be my mindset coming to play. I don't know how many hitters have that first pitch mindset.

[David Cohn]

That's a great point. I think more and more we're seeing it. You know, the thing about analytics in today's game, you know, every account is analyzed nowadays you have reams and reams of information nowadays that players get inundated with. And sometimes that might take away from the natural order of things in terms of their aggressiveness. It makes you a little more information you get, the less aggressive you become, generally speaking. But with that being said, the great hitters can really zero in on a location and if they get it, they're going to jump on it. And that's what we call cheating. And the first pitch of an at bat, if you're cheating on a fastball, you can start your swing a little bit sooner. And if you get fooled or whatever, you still have two more strikes to work with. So that's the pitch that gives count leverage. That's the pitch of the pitcher wants to get ahead of, and that's the pitch that the hitter wants to do. Damage on. Because it might be the best pitch he sees throughout the whole at bat.

[Dan Patrick]

If you could start your franchise with Ohtani or Judge, who would you take?

[Clayton English]

Oh, wow.

[David Cohn]

You know, I mean, I, I guess the projection is how much pitching can you get from Ohtani, you know, with the injuries, what he has left. I mean, if you're going back a couple of years and obviously Ohtani with the pitching side of his game, it just puts him above everybody else. But there is no doubt that in the batter's box with a bat in his hands, there's nobody like Aaron Judge. He is clearly the best hitter, better than Juan Soto because of his power numbers, better than anybody in the game. Right now, Aaron Judge, offensively speaking, is the best hitter. And it's not. It's not really even an argument.

[Dan Patrick]

You did well against Bonds. I remember he didn't even bat.200, I don't think against you.

[David Cohn]

Yeah, I caught. I caught early Barry Bonds, you know, in his Pittsburgh years, you know, in the Mets day. So, you know, early Barry Bonds is a different cat then. Then later, San Francisco Giants Barry Bonds.

[Dan Patrick]

But you couldn't make him. Like he had a strike zone about the size of a breadbo, you know, mailbox. And, and he was not swinging on anything that wasn't in that little area. It felt like, how tough was that to, you know, if you miss, it's gone.

[David Cohn]

Absolutely. You know, and the thing about Bonds was, is that he kind of choked up on the bat. You know, he. You think he looked like Phil Rizzuto up there, the way he choked up on the bed at times. Right. If you ever seen Phil Rizzuto and how much he choked up on a baseball bat, that kind of bounce was that way. And what that made him so dangerous at was fastballs in. He was so quick. If you tried to pitch him in and you did not get it in there, that's the ones he lost. You know, those were gone. Those were hit hard. They were either a line drive or a home run. So you had to be really careful when you tried to pitch Bonds inside because anything. Anything that didn't. That didn't get in off the plate, he was going to have a good swing at.

[Dan Patrick]

What is that like when you throw a pitch and it's almost like an oh, bleep that. That, you know, you threw a pitch and it's a bad pitch. The question is, what are they going to do with it?

[David Cohn]

Yeah, almost out of my hand. You know, it's like hitting a golf ball fat, you know, I mean, you play golf and you, you know, you got a wedge in your hand from 120 yards and you, I mean, you're going to stick this close and you just, you lay the sod over it. You know, that's how it feels out of a pitcher's hand. It's just. You're late with your arm, you get around it, it gets a loose spin on it. You feel it immediately off your fingertips, and you're going, oh, almost, almost halfway to home plate. You kind of have already process the fact that that's fat. That's hung. Watch out.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you have one? You remember where they weren't very kind to the baseball?

[David Cohn]

Yes, I remember in the playoffs with the Yankees. We were playing the Cleveland Indians, bases loaded. Jim tow me up at the plate, and I hung one of those pitches, one of those sliders. I was trying to throw a backdoor, trying to sneak it over the outside corner. It came out of my hand fat, as I said, it kind of just spun in there and it just laid out over the plate. And he had it in the upper deck at the old Yankee Stadium. The sound off is bad. I still hear in my sleep at night sometimes. I mean, it was so loud the way Jim. Only the way Jim told me could hit it. And it was a grand slam. And, you know, we ended up winning that game. It was the clincher in the playoffs, and I think it was 98, I believe we were playing the Indians in the playoffs and we ended up winning that series and luckily we scored enough runs. But that. That brought him back. That grand slam from. Tell me, Tell me. Brought him back. And I still remember it like it was yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

And it's. And it's. There's certain sounds. You know, baseball is about sounds. And you could tell when something's off the bat. You can tell when you're at the plate and you can hear that fastball coming by, how it hits the mitt. But, you know, Maddox told me it sounds like two cars crashing. When he gave up a home run, he just said, yeah. And he said, look, I'd rather you hit it 450ft instead of, you know, two 98 down the left field line.

[David Cohn]

Yeah, you know, it's. Have you ever been in a restaurant where the waiter drops a bunch of dishes in the back and that sound, the dish is breaking, that. That's what it sounds like to me. You know, that sounds off of Jim Toy's bat. I mean, if you, you know, kids today, if you want to see, you know, a mountain of a man Swing the bat. And listen, you know, Jim told me is the guy to go to YouTube and watch his events.

[Dan Patrick]

Can Aaron Judge hit 400?

[David Cohn]

I would say probably not.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[David Cohn]

You know, he's not going to beat.

[Dan Patrick]

Out a lot of infield hit. I mean you got to get some of those like little, you know, five hoppers that you can beat out.

[David Cohn]

Yeah, absolutely. And, and also there is the random variance, the luck factor. Right. I mean analytics. If one thing I love about analytics, modern day analytics is it kind of shows you, you can look under the hood as they say, and say what's kind of lucky and what's going to regress to the mean a little bit. And certainly batting average on balls in play, those ground balls that are always finding holes, you know, tend to turn around. They start to find gloves after a while. So that's the fortune part of it. The batting average on balls and play is, is unbelievably high for Aaron Judge right now. And you got to figure that's going to, some of those hard ground balls are start, start to, to go at shortstops and second baseman and he's not going to, he's not going to have that high of an average on, especially on the balls on the ground.

[Dan Patrick]

Where are we with Torpedo bats? I thought they were ruining baseball and I haven't heard much about torpedo bats. What happened?

[David Cohn]

Yeah, I think that was just, you know, if you, there'll be case studies on how to, you know, how do you create a viral moment, right? How does something go viral in today's, today's day and age? That was just a perfect storm. Michael K. Set it up perfectly. The Yankees had a bunch of home runs on that day. When he, he talked about for the first time the torpedo bat when actuality the Torpedo bat had been out for several years and other players and other teams actually were using it on that day and everybody thought oh no, it was a Yankee thing. Oh, the Yankees are cheating. And it was just a perfect viral moment where everybody thought this was, this is brand new technology. What is this? We got to ban this. You know, this is too good. And boom, there goes Jazz Chisholm hitting the home run. Boom, there goes Anthony Volpe hitting a home run. And it just created this moment to where everybody just jumped on, on the bandwagon and thought this is new, this is, this is something funny going on here when in reality actually was nothing could be further from the truth. It's like getting fitted for golf clubs. You know, it's like a game improvement club, so to speak. You know, the torpedo bat that gets the mass. Where you hit the ball the most often. And that's supposed to help you a little bit, but it's certainly within the rules. There's nothing illegal about it.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the highest percentage you got for hall of Fame votes?

[David Cohn]

Oh, gee, I. I was one and done. You know, I think you had to get 5%. I was a little under 5%. I think I was 4%. Ish. Something in that range, you know. You know, the dynamics of the hall of Fame vote. There's only 10. 10 players you can vote on. In that particular year, there was a lot of good players on the list, so I just. I couldn't quite get enough to stay on the ballot.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you would. You didn't win 200 games, which probably, you know, we like round numbers. But you were on five World Series champions. You won a Cy Young, that pretty good resume.

[David Cohn]

I have no complaints. You know, I mean, that's another reason, you know, why I like Modern analytics, is because war, the WAR ranking, whether you use fan graphs, you know what these websites that sort of calculate the WAR rankings, it's Baseball Reference, B WAR or F war. Fan graphs. War. They're. They're both a little different in terms of pitching. One's based on era, one's based on fit field or independent pitching. So it gets a little technical. But, you know, I'm around 60 war, you know, on both of those categories, and that's kind of the. The entry point to being considered for the hall of Fame. But I still kind of think I'm a classic borderline guy. And when I look at my generation, I can really kind of count on five on one hand, who the. Who the guys were. You know, I mean, let me think. Randy Johnson, Craig Maddox, Smoltz, you know, Pedro Martinez, even Roger Clemens. You know, all the controversy aside, I.

[Dan Patrick]

Mean, what about Kurt Schilling?

[David Cohn]

Why is Schilling. Absolutely. Is above me in my mind. Absolutely. You know, put the politics aside or whether you like them or not, or morality or whatever. I mean, I'm not sure if I want all the sports writers, the guys I hung out with in the hotel bars all those years. I don't know if I want those guys to be the Boral judge, you know, if anybody, to tell you the truth. But Kurt Schiller is a Hall of Famer.

[Dan Patrick]

I always thought that Pedro Martinez was underrated.

[David Cohn]

Absolutely. I think if you talk to a lot of hitters who faced him, they would say he's the toughest. Cal Ripken Jr Ask Cal Ripken Jr who the toughest pitcher he ever faced and that's Cal. He played every day. He didn't miss anybody.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Pedro.

[David Cohn]

Pedro's the answer, you know, so that tells you kind of what you need to know about who you didn't want to face, your least likely pitcher that you wanted to face. And a lot of guys would say, Pedro.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I always viewed him as kind of a right handed Sandy Koufax. He, he just put up incredible, incredible numbers there. Great to talk to you. Tell Michael K. We said hello and thanks for joining us.

[David Cohn]

It's my pleasure, Dan. Anytime.

[Dan Patrick]

That's David Cohn.

[Muhammad Ali]

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[Dan Patrick]

And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015 NBA champion.

[Vincent Goodwill]

On the new limited podcast series dubbed dynasty. It's been 10 years since their shocking run to a championship. We examined the controversial move that made it possible.

[David Cohn]

It's never a great conversation as a player when you hear that you're being.

[Vincent Goodwill]

Benched for the entire behind the scenes story of Golden State's incredible 10 year run. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Muhammad Ali]

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You know, as a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime.

[Muhammad Ali]

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[Dan Patrick]

She is Rebecca Lowe, NBC Sports, Premier League host and hosting the Kentucky Derby. It all unfolds tomorrow. NBC Sports will be at Churchill Downs Saturday 2:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, she also hosts the Premier League live from the very same location with coverage beginning at 2 Eastern right here on Peacock. Oh, look who is part of the scenery. It's Rebecca Low Boy. Describe the pageantry surrounding you, Dan.

[Loni Ali]

So lovely to talk to you. It's a lot of pink because it's Ladies Day. In honor of remembering breast cancer, pay tribute to them. So we've got a lot of pink, but a lot of pink hats. We've got very tall hats. Seems to be a theme. I'm not a big hat person, Dan. I don't know if you are, but I love a fascinator. But the hats around here are quite incredible.

[Dan Patrick]

There's a. There's a horse walking right behind you, by the way. See that?

[Loni Ali]

It happens here. It does happen a lot. I'm in the paddock.

[Dan Patrick]

Right in the paddock. There are a lot of horses down there at Church. Churchill Downs. All right, set the scene for tomorrow.

[Loni Ali]

Okay. So as you said, I'm doing a bit of double duty. So we've got the Premier League in the morning. I'll be here in the morning. We've got three match Windows finishing with Arse taking on Bournemouth. And then we come off air on NBC at around 2:30 Eastern, I think. And I throw pretty much directly to Mike Tirico who then opens the show for the coverage on NBC. They'll have been on all day pretty much though, on USA Network. And Peacock, he'll then open the show on NBC. The big open at 2:30 Eastern. Then I run, I make a run in some direction, not quite sure which direction it is yet, to meet up with Dylan Dryer. We do our first hit and then I have a bunch of hits throughout the day, culminating in the winner's circle with the interview with the winning owner. So can't wait for that. That is always a great, great moment. I get the best seat in the house down to watch the race. I'm like in the pagoda at the winners in the winner's circle. So it's an absolute truth.

[Dan Patrick]

And I told this audience those two minutes, there's. There's nothing else that compares to those two minutes when those, the horses are, you know, in, in the gate and all of a sudden, boom, they're off. And how would you describe that feeling?

[Loni Ali]

I think the only way I can describe it is having seen for the first time I've ever seen the 100 meters race, the men's 100 meters I saw in Paris in 2024, which is only what, nine seconds. So it's much shorter in that way. But you're also. It's the same build up. You're all waiting Building up to this tiny fraction of time in which so much can happen. So it feels a little bit like that. And then the ending is so interesting, Dan, because when the favorite wins, the whole place erupts. And then the last couple of times I've been here when it's not the favorite or we rich strike at 80 to 1. A few years ago, it was like you could hear a pin drop. Everybody was furious. So the end is really interesting as well, depending on who wins. And then it's just seeing the happiness on people's faces, the owners, the connections. It's just one big party.

[Dan Patrick]

It's amazing what kind of celebrities are going to be there.

[Loni Ali]

So I've heard that Aaron Rodgers is coming. I think Lamar Jackson. I think he does. He plays the Baltimore Ravens.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he does.

[Loni Ali]

Yes. Okay, excellent. Simone Biles. I'm going to be interviewing Simone Biles tomorrow. I'm so excited about that Shabuzzi. We've got Jack Harlow, the singer who's a big Premier League fan, so excited to talk to him about Premier League before we actually do the interview. So we've got a good, good number of good faces coming down.

[Dan Patrick]

Taylor Swift, she's showing up.

[Loni Ali]

You know what? I don't think so. This year there were rumors that Travis Kelce was coming. I was going to interview him. That could have been interesting. But no, I think he's going to the Formula one this weekend. So there's a lot of good things going on, but this is the place to be. Dan Patrick, you know, it's. I cannot believe you're not here.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I'm going to ask you this. If you could have a Triple Crown winner, you could be an owner of a Triple Crown winner or one.

[David Cohn]

Wow.

[Dan Patrick]

Or one. One of the owners of Wrexham.

[Loni Ali]

Oh, gosh. I. I have to go Wrexham. I have to go wrex him down because they are going to the Premier League. And that from where they've come to where they're going is just the fairy tale. I used to cover Wrexham when they were in the fifth tier of English football. It's called the conference, the National League. 50 professional, by the way. That's how much we love our football in England. 5 tiers of professional football. I used to go there. I used to cover the games. And that was around sort of 2008 kind of time. 2008, 2009. So to see them now, and in my opinion, they'll be in the Premier League within three years. For us, that'll be an amazing story. And I can't wait for It. Because everybody in Wrexham, this is a small town in North Wales, everybody in Wrexham loves what's happening, and I would love to be a part of that. So if Donnie shares, sell them to me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I. You know, I don't think that the reaction when you had, you know, two Hollywood celebrities buying your football team, they're coming in, and all of a sudden, you know, the locals probably weren't keen on Ryan Reynolds and Rob McEl at the beginning.

[Loni Ali]

Not at the beginning, Dan, Because Wrexham, like every English football club, is very steeped in tradition, has ways of doing things. English football has ways of doing things and. Sounds terrible. We don't like outsiders. We don't like outsiders. And as much as we love Americans, sometimes we've had bad experiences in English football with some American owners. So I think there was reticence and there was nervousness that their club. Because as I told you we've talked about before, Dan, football clubs in England are everything to the people in that town, city, or even village, really. And Wrexham is no different. So they weren't convinced when they came in, took them a little time, but now they've realized they're two people who absolutely have the best interests of this club at heart and are taking them on to great things. And now I think they've bought them.

[Dan Patrick]

She's Rebecca Lowe, NBC Sports Premier League host and hosting at the Kentucky Derby. You know, if I had a horse in the Derby, you know what I would name it?

[Loni Ali]

What?

[Dan Patrick]

What do you think I would name it? Hurricane Wanker. Oh, no.

[Loni Ali]

We got. No, dad. We got two thirds of the way through this interview, and I thought, this is going very calmly. Dan's behaving himself, and then you throw in the only word that you absolutely cannot say on English television. I can't believe you've just done that. I can't believe it. I can't believe it.

[Dan Patrick]

I get you every year. I get you every year. Every year I get you.

[Loni Ali]

At least you don't make me say it.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no. I would never. But if you were working and all of a sudden you went with the favorites, and you went. Sovereignty. Wanker. Sandman.

[David Cohn]

Stop it.

[Dan Patrick]

Stop it.

[Loni Ali]

Absolutely. Can you imagine? Because it's kind of the sort of thing I feel like might happen over here because you guys think it's just, like, a jokey word, and people probably heard it on, like, Ted Lasso. Could you imagine that could actually happen?

[Dan Patrick]

I know.

[Loni Ali]

There I am, dad. I've had a situation recently where my son wanted to buy a fanny pack and I just gotta tell you, in England, we can't be using such words. You Google it, Dan. Patrick, I don't want to say it again. Okay, so do that after the show.

[Dan Patrick]

Have fun this weekend.

[Loni Ali]

Thanks, Dan. Always great to see you.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to see you. That's the lovely and talented Rebecca Lowe, NBC Sports Premier League host and Kentucky Derby host as well.

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[Dan Patrick]

And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State warriors are the 2015.

[Vincent Goodwill]

NBA champion on the new limited podcast series Dub dynasty. It's been 10 years since their shocking run to a championship. We examine the controversial move that made it possible.

[David Cohn]

It's never a great conversation as a player. When you hear that you're being benched.

[Vincent Goodwill]

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[Clayton English]

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[Loni Ali]

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[Clayton English]

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[Steve Covino]

This year, a lot of the biggest.

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This is kind of star studded a little bit, man.

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