The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: "The Best of The Dan Patrick Show" Summary

Release Date: March 31, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Description: A compilation of standout moments from Dan Patrick's daily radio show, featuring exclusive interviews with A-list guests from sports and entertainment, insightful discussions on pop culture and sports, all delivered with Patrick's signature humor.

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1. Interview with John Shire, Head Coach of Duke Basketball

Timestamp: 02:36 – 11:46

Dan Patrick welcomes John Shire, the third-season head coach of Duke Basketball, to discuss his journey and philosophy as he leads the Blue Devils into the Final Four.

Key Discussion Points:

• Transition to Head Coach Role: John Shire reflects on succeeding a legendary figure like Mike Krzyzewski (Coach K). He emphasizes the importance of staying connected during the transition and forging his own coaching identity.

  "I'm not Coach K, not going to try to be him. I'm going to be myself."
  (03:33)

• Team Building Philosophy: Shire discusses the evolving landscape of college basketball, highlighting the shift from relying solely on freshmen to integrating transfer players and maintaining team continuity year over year.

  "I think the biggest difference is now you have to build your team based on year to year."
  (04:58)

• Managing Freshmen: He outlines his approach to coaching freshmen, balancing honest feedback with confidence-building to help them navigate the pressures of high-stakes games.

  "You have to hit them right between the eyes. But also at the same time, you have to give them really good confidence."
  (06:36)

• Reflecting on the Butler National Title Game: Shire shares his memories of the pivotal moments in the Butler-Duke national title game, particularly the impact of a missed clutch shot by Butler's Gordon Hayward.

  "I felt it was off at the last second. But thank God he missed it."
  (08:50)

• Team Embraceability and Player Development: He expresses hope for the team's reception, attributing their positive vibe to talented players who play the game the right way. Shire also discusses the potential return of star player Cooper Flag.

  "We are always embraceable. But I can't explain why that is."
  (09:31)

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2. Interview with Seth Greenberg, ESPN College Basketball Analyst

Timestamp: 18:06 – 23:14

Seth Greenberg joins Dan Patrick to delve into the current trends shaping college basketball, especially with the advent of the transfer portal and Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies.

Key Discussion Points:

• Impact of Transfer Portal and NIL: Greenberg asserts that the future of college basketball lies in the integration of transfers and managing NIL agreements, drawing parallels to professional sports' free agency models.

  "This is the future. 100%. With NIL, with the transfer portal."
  (21:01)

• Team Composition Trends: He observes that modern teams, including Duke, are increasingly composed of sophomores, juniors, and seniors rather than relying heavily on freshmen. This shift aims to enhance team stability and performance consistency.

  "Look at Florida's team. They got four mid-major transfers having a huge impact."
  (21:01)

• Coaching Contracts and Player Agreements: Greenberg advocates for structured contracts and buyouts for players, similar to those for coaches, to foster continuity and accountability within teams.

  "I've got to have some like maybe one-year, two-year contracts to get some continuity in the game."
  (22:21)

• Final Four Insights: Reflecting on the Final Four teams, Greenberg praises their season-long performance and the absence of typical Cinderella teams, attributing this to the strategic team-building processes.

  "You've got the best players playing against each other... we have a great final four."
  (23:14)

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3. Conversation with Gilbert Arenas, Co-Host of Gil's Arena Podcast

Timestamp: 35:05 – 56:38

Gilbert Arenas, a three-time NBA All-Star and co-host of Gil's Arena Podcast, engages in a lively discussion with Dan Patrick about his basketball career, player evaluations, and the evolving dynamics of the NBA.

Key Discussion Points:

• Reflections on NBA Career: Arenas reminisces about his experiences playing against top-tier shooters and legendary players, sharing personal anecdotes and insights into game strategies.

  "I played against Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson."
  (48:36)

• Evaluation of Modern Shooters: He offers his perspective on the greatest shooters of all time, placing Steph Curry at the pinnacle and discussing the unique shooting abilities of players like Klay Thompson and Reggie Miller.

  "Best shooter? Steph Curry. Not even close."
  (49:16)

• Assessing Cooper Flag: Arenas praises Cooper Flag's versatility and unselfish playstyle, drawing comparisons to NBA legends and emphasizing Flag's potential as a top draft pick.

  "The most versatile player I've seen in I. I compare him to Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen."
  (26:50)

• Impact of NIL on Players and Families: Discussing the Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies, Arenas explains how he advises his children on leveraging their personal brands while maintaining academic and athletic commitments.

  "Most parents are mixing the two and they don't understand the difference."
  (38:38)

• Player Development and Draft Strategies: Arenas critiques the NBA draft system, emphasizing the importance of organizational support in developing young talent and the pitfalls of high expectations based solely on physical attributes.

  "It's not about your college performance, it's about your upside."
  (41:40)

• Personal Anecdotes Against Duke: Sharing his competitive history against Duke, Arenas discusses specific games and his perspectives on officiating and team dynamics.

  "I felt that Duke was getting preferential treatment."
  (37:46)

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Notable Highlights and Quotes:

• John Shire on Coaching Philosophy:

  "I'm going to be myself. And wherever that takes us, I can live with it."
  (03:33)

• Seth Greenberg on Future of College Basketball:

  "College basketball is a professional sport right now. That's what it is."
  (22:21)

• Gilbert Arenas on Cooper Flag:

  "Cooper Flag is one of those rare kids where you can't build the blueprint off of those type of kids."
  (40:14)

• Jim Shire on Player Development:

  "They've embraced being the hunters, not the hunted."
  (07:03)

• Seth Greenberg on Team Composition:

  "This is the future, with NIL, with the transfer portal."
  (21:01)

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Additional Segments:

While the episode is a "Best of" compilation, it features brief interludes promoting other podcasts and segments by various personalities. These include:

• Promotions for "Under Yazoo Clay" led by Larison Campbell.
• Advertisements for "Science Stuff" with Jorge Cham.
• Spotlights on "Snafu" podcast by Ed Helms and "Levittown" by Margie Murphy.
• Introduction to "Dropping Diamonds with AJ Andrews."

Note: As per instructions, advertisements, intros, and outros were excluded from this summary.

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Concluding Remarks:

"The Best of The Dan Patrick Show" offers listeners a comprehensive look into high-level basketball coaching strategies, player development, and the shifting paradigms within college and professional basketball. Through in-depth conversations with influential sports figures like John Shire, Seth Greenberg, and Gilbert Arenas, Dan Patrick provides valuable insights into the intricacies of the sport, ensuring both avid fans and casual listeners gain a deeper understanding of the game’s current and future landscapes.

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For more episodes and exclusive content, visit Dan Patrick's Show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

[Dan Patrick]

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[Seth Greenberg]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Larison Campbell]

It's golf in Mississippi. Yazoo clay keeps secrets.

[Dan Patrick]

7,000 bodies out there or more.

[Larison Campbell]

A forgotten asylum cemetery.

[John Shire]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep. Until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Jon Shire, the third season Dukehead basketball coach moving into the Final Four. You've been there as a player, you've been there as an assistant coach. What's it like to be there as a head coach?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Dan?

[John Shire]

Well, it's great to be with you, you know, couldn't be more excited about this opportunity. I'll feel it, you know, I'll feel it in person in San Antonio, but to be honest with you, it feels surreal, you know, like it's the promised land. Obviously, we're hungry for more, but couldn't be more excited about this opportunity.

[Dan Patrick]

You always want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend. I'll go back to John Wooden and, you know, you didn't get that. You got the opportunity to coach, but you're following the legend in Mike Krzyzewski. I don't know if you did research or talk to people who were the ones following the legend as opposed to following the person following the legend.

[John Shire]

Well, you know what, Dan? I did more research on successions than think you could imagine, you know, especially in sport. Right. But even in business. And I tried to find connections about, you know, really why, you know, others weren't as successful and what went wrong and because in most cases, it wasn't about what went right. You know, it's, it's been, it's been very difficult. And I think the first and most important thing I found was to be really connected with, you know, the former coach or the transition. And for me, you know, the fact that Coach K and I are still as close as could be, and the, the, the succession, me and him were so connected about what had to change and what had to improve and what I had to do. But then obviously, you're not going to win if you try to be somebody else. And so I, I had to come to terms very quickly with I'm not Coach K, not going to try to be him. I'm not going to try to coach like him. I'm going to, I'm going to be myself. And wherever that takes us, you know, I can live with it at the end of the day, because that's the only way I'm going to succeed.

[Dan Patrick]

Is there a new philosophy in how to build a team in college basketball? You, you guys might be the anomaly. You got three freshmen are going to be lottery picks, but you're seeing a lot of these teams that a couple of freshmen. But it's really about getting these, you know, transfer guys or guys who are Going to stay for three or four years.

[John Shire]

Yeah, I think it has changed a lot. I think the biggest difference is now you have to build your team based on year to year. You know, it's, and look, it's when I played, this is only 15 years ago and when I played the starting lineup in my group, we had over 100 starting game, over 100 games together. And look, the team we're playing in Houston, Houston has great experience together, but for the most part it is year to year. I think for me the challenge is trying to find some level of continuity which I think still can be done in a different way. We're still bringing in really talented, ready made players that we develop over the course of the year and have big expectations like the guys you, you know, you had mentioned as freshmen now. But I think we, we do it our own way and that's what I'm proud of. You know, I think it's not going to be cookie cutter. We need this amount of transfers, returners, freshmen. I think it's based on the level of readiness that the freshmen we, we recruit have and then also the returners we can possibly bring back. And I think as you look at our roster, Dan, the combination of the Ceon James, the Malik Browns, the Mason Gillis with the Tyrese Proctor and Caleb Foster, well, that helps the freshman having some level of experience with them.

[Dan Patrick]

How would you do against Proctor in a shooting contest?

[John Shire]

I would beat him.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Beat me in.

[John Shire]

The game, but I'm gonna beat any of our guys still, I think, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

How do you coach a freshman as opposed to junior or senior?

[John Shire]

I, I just think for these guys there's a level of they need to always hear the truth. You, you have to hit them right between the eyes. But also at the same time, you have to give them really good confidence because they're going through something they've never experienced before. You know, even I'm, I'm like, I'm so impressed with the maturity these guys have. Playing in my first NCAA tournament game, you know, I remember how I felt and these guys haven't acted like it's.

[Dan Patrick]

How did you feel?

[John Shire]

I felt, you know, jittery, you know, I felt, you know, pressure. You know, we were six seed playing VCU as an 11 seed and you just, I think there's a tendency, Dan, to, when you're the higher seed, to play not to lose instead of playing to win. And so I've tried to just ingrain in them from day one in the preseason of being the hunters, you know, not the Hunted and just going after this thing. And they've embraced that and they've done that. But I think with the freshmen, just to continue to give them confidence at the same time of trying to prepare them for things that they hadn't seen before. And that's what I've tried to do.

[Dan Patrick]

He's Duke's head coach, John Shire, joining us on the program. Take me back to the Butler national title game. When you won, Gordon Hayward wasn't your guy, was he? You weren't.

[John Shire]

He wasn't my guy in terms of me guarding him.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Yeah.

[John Shire]

I was ahead on the play that he got the. So I think the people always think about the last half court shot, which is right there. The one before that he had. We are under out of bounds, we were up by one and he had an isolation play at the top of the key and he ended up shooting about like a 15 footer from the baseline. I thought it was going in, Dan. I was right under the basket hit. Just probably if it's an inch shorter, it goes in, it goes long. So that shot to me was, was the one that scared me. I was already thinking about the, the. How we were going to win with a timeout or what we were going to do. But the half court shot was something I'll never forget. And I just, I felt it was off at the last second. I was ahead on the play, but. But thank God he missed it.

[Dan Patrick]

If he hit that shot, he becomes Leitner.

[John Shire]

Yeah, you know what? And probably, I don't know if I'm the head coach to Duke. I don't know if I'm. I think the whole. I think my whole life is different. I think there's a lot of things that could be different from, from, from that shot.

[Dan Patrick]

But do you explain to your kids, and I don't know if you feel this, but the late New Years, even J.J. redick, people hated Duke. Yeah, it doesn't feel that way. This is, this is a team that people may root for, maybe not root against, but they're not, you know, they're, they're like, hey, Cooper, flag looks great. I mean, you got it. Seems like a fun team. They play, you know, great offense and defense. Are you guys embraceable?

[John Shire]

I sure hope so. And look, it's funny because I think we are always embraceable. But like you said, I think it's a different feeling. And I can't explain why that is. I hope it's the fact that you have a group of really talented players that really embrace playing the right way. You know, it's led to some beautiful offense and they're tough, you know, they're not afraid of anything. So I think that combination maybe has been received well. But again, not JJ Redick was the same. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you had the conversation with Cooper Flag about coming back?

[John Shire]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Just. Is there going to be a conversation?

[John Shire]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[John Shire]

Although I can dream about that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, you can.

[John Shire]

I just, you know, I think that's all it is in this case. I think it's a dream and I think he's got to take the next dream in his life and be the top pick in the NBA draft and start his professional career.

[Dan Patrick]

Before I let you go, I remember talking to Steve Nash and he said during his career with Phoenix, coaches told him he was too unselfish. There are times where I see Cooper Flag maybe too unselfish. The Phoenix Suns had to tell Steve Nash to shoot more. Is Cooper Flag sort of in that it seems like he's really, really engaged to get everybody involved. And maybe I'm not going to say the detriment you're at the final four, but is, are there times when you want him to be a little more selfish?

[John Shire]

I think you hit the nail on the head with him, Dan, because he's part of his. What makes him so special is him bringing along his teammates and his feel for his passing like it is an incredible weapon for our team. But also he can want to defer at times to get them going and word our best. He's at our best when he's in complete attack mode. Teammates will get shots from that. But that's something I have to. It's probably the biggest thing we have to get on him about and just making sure he's not deferring and continually just looking to dominate, which he can.

[Dan Patrick]

Good luck in the final four, John. Great to connect with you again. Thank you.

[John Shire]

Thanks for having me. Appreciate you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Larison Campbell]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

[Dan Patrick]

It's terrible, terrible dirt.

[Larison Campbell]

Yazoo clay eats everything. So things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Dan Patrick]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Larison Campbell]

Former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.

[John Shire]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

But in this corner of the South. It's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.

[Larison Campbell]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

[Gilbert Arenas]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Larison Campbell]

I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jorge Cham]

Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Why is my cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch?

[Jorge Cham]

Or if hypnotism you will use the.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control.

[Jorge Cham]

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[Gilbert Arenas]

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[Jorge Cham]

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[Gilbert Arenas]

This is experimental. This may never work for you.

[Jorge Cham]

What's a quantum computer?

[Dan Patrick]

It's not just a faster computer, it performs in a fundamentally different way.

[Jorge Cham]

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[Gilbert Arenas]

More of a comfort issue.

[Jorge Cham]

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[Ed Helms]

Prohibition it's no secret that banning alcohol didn't stop people from living it up in the 1920s.

[Larison Campbell]

When we're five years into prohibition, the government is starting to go, okay, this isn't working.

[Ed Helms]

In fact, you might even say it backfired spectacularly. I'm Ed Helms, and on season three of my podcast, Snafu, we're taking you back to the 1920s and the tale of Formula 6. Because what you probably don't know about Prohibition is that American citizens were dying in massive numbers due to poisoned liquor, and all along, an unlikely duo was trying desperately to stop the corruption behind it.

[Gilbert Arenas]

They were like superhero crusaders, turning the page on a system that didn't work, wasn't fair, and was corrupt.

[Ed Helms]

So how did Prohibition's war on alcohol go so off the rails that the government wound up poisoning its own people? To find out, listen and subscribe to snafu on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

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[Larison Campbell]

Someone was posting photos.

[Gilbert Arenas]

It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Seth Greenberg]

I wanted to throw up.

[Margie Murphy]

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[Jorge Cham]

This should be illegal, but what is this?

[Margie Murphy]

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[Dan Patrick]

Seth Greenberg of the Mothership. What a busy guy. He was the two time ACC coach of the year at Virginia Tech. Where are those awards?

[Seth Greenberg]

In my office, behind. Behind my desk somewhere.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Do you proudly display those and like, hey, come on into my office. Look what I got. Like, if I go into Coach K's office, you know, I get to see national championship trophies.

[Seth Greenberg]

Well, I mean, I'm not Coach K, but I do have two national KCC coach near and I, what I do is a FaceTime from my office. I show them prominently along with the wins against Duke in Carolina.

[Dan Patrick]

What was your record against Duke?

[Seth Greenberg]

I was three and six.

[Dan Patrick]

And what were you against Dean Smith?

[Seth Greenberg]

I didn't know how to coach against Dean. I'm not that old. I coached against Roy. I think I had three wins against Roy. One of them was actually when they were number one in the country at Kansas. It was weird. My teams, we had four wins against number ones and they were all on the road, which is kind of bizarre.

[Dan Patrick]

Explain to me the role that coaching plays now as opposed to maybe earlier in the tournament or during the regular season.

[Seth Greenberg]

You know, everyone's going to say, does experience have a factor come to the Final Four? People have been through it, understand it, have an experience of dealing with all the requests, the media and kind of finding a balancing point for the preparation. I think coaching has an impact every time of the year. What are you going to get? What are you going to take away? You know, you're not going to reinvent yourself in the NCA tournament. How you get your guys to understand what's the essence of what you have to do to win. And then making sure you're managing the hardest thing from Final Four as an assistant coach in 84 with coach Holland is managing all the obligations and keeping the guys focused. It's great, it's unique. You got, you know, police escorts, you know, you're practicing in front of 25,000 people, you've got 8,000 people that want tickets. Managing all that. So you can stay focused on what's most important, the game. And the very best. Figure out, all right, how do we get laser focused on the things that are most important? And now it's even harder with social media, with agents, with workout gurus, with all the other obligations that players are asked. And then also, like some of these guys might end up transferring at the end of the Final Four.

[Dan Patrick]

I was talking to John Shire last hour about that. That the blueprint, it feels like, has changed where you have the blue bloods are taking away the mid majors, good players to prevent the, you know, the mid majors from making these Cinderella runs. They're already, it's kind of circumventing the system there a little bit. Instead of waiting for this, they come in and grab those players. And we're seeing less freshmen impact the tournament other than Duke. And it feels like now it's, you know, maybe sophomores, juniors and seniors. Is this, is this what we should be expecting in years to come?

[Seth Greenberg]

100%, this is the future. 100%. Look how old the Duke, look how old the Auburn team is. You'll get a starting lineup. There's a 25 year old, a 23 year old, a 24 year old. You've got one freshman, Robert Todd Pettiford. You got three freshmen. Basically at Duke you don't have another freshman. You've got every single team. Look, look at Florida's team. They got four mid major transfers that are having a huge impact on their team. So this is the future, you know, with nil, with the transfer portal. And that's why in a lot of ways, look, this is the way it's going to be. But we've got to get guidelines then we just have to. And we've got to have contracts and we've got to have incentives. And the other thing we got to do is we've got to eventually put education back into this thing. Also, like you get guys transferred three or four times, it's going to impact graduation. We've got to have incentives for academic progress, retention, graduation, community service, along with, along with obviously team Success and then maybe some individual success. We've got a base salaries, we've got to find a way to get this thing back. And I'm all for the players making money. That's not it. But we've got to have some like maybe one College basketball is a professional sport right now. That's what it is. It's a professional sport. Name a professional sport that has year to year free agency.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think any. Well, the owners wouldn't allow it to happen because they. Yes, they don't want it to happen.

[Seth Greenberg]

And people say, well, coaches can go anytime they want. I agree. Coaches go anytime they want. And you've seen a lot of coaches go from mid major to high major. You see Kevin Willard go from Maryland to Villanova just a week. And that's true. And what do coaches have in their contracts? They have to. They have two way security. They've got guarantees if they get fired. But they also have buyouts. And I actually think the part of the contracts with the players needs to be a buyout. I don't care who pays it. Player could pay it. The school that's trying to get the kid can pay it. But if we have buyouts and it's two ways and we have two year contracts, we can get some continuity in the game.

[Dan Patrick]

All four number one seeds reach the final four. Second time that that happened 2008. The only other time good thing for the tournament or a bad thing.

[Seth Greenberg]

This year a very good thing because those four teams have separated themselves all season long. All the sport teams, I think I'm not mistaken, have been number one in the country. This is the future. I don't know about all four number ones but the one number ones beat the number twos. You saw what happened to Tennessee. You saw what happened to Michigan State. Yeah, I do. I think it's good on good. You're going to see the best players playing against each other. You're going to see the best teams who've earned it with their body of work throughout the season playing against each other. You're not just going to see a Cinderella who gets out. We don't have that many Cinderellas. We have them in the first round of second round. There are very few VCU's and Loyolas. That doesn't happen very often. And I look at upsets. If you, if you have a one in the three and they're major conferences and their teams that have beaten other high level teams, it's no big thing. But this year and the last time it was the four number ones, it was in San Antonio also this year. These four teams have separated themselves throughout the season. Their body of work said that, you know, let's see good on. Good. Let's see great defense in Houston and great offense and defense in Duke. Let's see Jennifer Broom having his Willis Reed type moment coming out of the locker room, you know, and making that, and making that three, you know, against, you know, a Florida team with Walter Clayton absolutely just took over two games. At the end of the games, I actually think it's. We have a great final 4.

[Dan Patrick]

Seth Greenberg, ESPN college basketball analyst Let me go back to Walter Clayton Jr. I am a big proponent of not letting your best player beat me. And I for the life of me couldn't understand this. You know that's the one guy, right? Everybody in the building knows that's the one guy. Why am I not getting two people at him? Why not? Am I? And I know he's quick, he's got a quick release, all of that. I got to take the ball out of his hands. Seth, I don't understand this from a coaching perspective. Tell me what I'm missing here.

[Seth Greenberg]

Look, look, that was my philosophy every time I won a big game. We took the other team's best player out. I mean, it was just an automatic. Grant McCarthy did that for 36 minutes. They blitzed him on every ball screen. They got the ball out of his hands and they did an incredible job on. They always committed two to the ball and forced him to kick it out. Now one time, late game, look, that upset. It takes two to tango. So like Texas Tech helped him by missing the free throws. Hex that helped him by taking some quick shots. And then, you know, Thomas Howe happened. He makes those first two threes, which were huge. One of them on a pass off a double team where they got the ball out of Clayton Sands and he gave it up early and helped knock down a big three late in the game. I am 100% agree with you. Late in the game I thought Clayton did a really good job of relocating quickly before they could send a second guy at him. The one, the last one he made where he was inside the three point line about the foul line and he turned and dribbled out and got himself squared up. I asked J. Will the other day how hard I could. I can't relate to it. How hard is that to do? And like it's really hard. So like, I give the guy credit for making those plays, but that's what Grant McCasland wanted to do. But he, like, he said he thought his team got a little tired and lost its focus, and. And you lose your focus on that guy and he sends you home.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And you're right about the free throws, because if they make the free throws, then there's. There's no heroics there. How would you describe Cooper Flag's game to somebody who hadn't seen him play?

[Seth Greenberg]

The most versatile player I've seen in I. I compare him to Grant Hill, Scotty Pippen, very much. Those two guys, I think, and Jason Tatum. He's got kind of a mixture of all three of those guys. I mean, initiate your offense kind of like they do with Tatum and Scotty Pippen. Danny, he scores at all three levels. People don't really appreciate his 72 wingspan. He's got great defensive range, and he's so damn unselfish. Like, like, like, he's a terrific passer. I mean, his feel for the game for. He's 18 years old. He's 18 years old, and he just plays like, total. Like, I got this. We're in good shape. Never gets too high. Now his mom has lost her mind, but he is perfectly fine. Like, that dude's playing in the biggest games, in the biggest moments, knocking down big shots. And like his mom, he made a couple of turnovers early in the game, and the first thing he hears from his mom is, in three turnovers. You got to be better with the ball. I mean, there's a high standard. Is a high standard in the Flag family. I understand that, but he's unique. You know, people say unicorn. Yeah, I don't know. I've never met a unicorn, so I don't know what a unicorn is, but the dude is like, really? He's not only special, but his demeanor is special. And yet being fiercely competitive.

[Dan Patrick]

You coached against Duke when people hated Duke. Yeah, but this team has embrace. I said to Coach Shire, I said, people don't dislike Duke. Like, they're kind of like, yeah, you might not root for them, but it doesn't feel like you're rooting against them.

[Seth Greenberg]

Yeah, I mean, a little bit I do. With Mike and the Evil Empire, it had to do with, you know, just the, the, the, the. The amount of success he had. The, the, the consistency and his success. Duke became the Yankees. You loved them or you hated him, and it's just the way it is. So, I mean, Coach K and what he was able to build and the consistency that he had, people got tired of him and, you know, either you liked him, you didn't like John Shire and I'm glad you had him on. To me, he's incredible. He is so comfortable in his own skin. He's Not Coach K 2.0 or 1.0. He's John Shire 2.0. He is 100%, unapologetically himself. The way they play totally different style of basketball in a lot of ways. The way they defend differently. They're not denying everything to keep it in front. The way he interacts with his team holds him accountable, but a little bit different, but a great communicator. Coach K was a great motivator in the history of our sport, maybe in the history of sport ever. His ability to create causes, whether he did it with the Olympic team or with his Duke teams. But John Shire has a likability to him. He's allowed these guys and it's a different age. Everyone knows these guys now from TikTok and social media and the accessibility that they have. You see their personalities, they're not like put in small boxes. So I think the social media aspect of it has changed it. John Shire's approach has changed it. And these kids are very comfortable putting themselves out and being a little bit outside the box, if you would think that people expect them to be.

[Dan Patrick]

I know you're busy. Thanks as always. Great to talk to you again, Seth.

[Seth Greenberg]

Always honored to be on your show. You're the best.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Seth Greenberg. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Larison Campbell]

There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.

[Dan Patrick]

It's terrible, terrible dirt.

[Larison Campbell]

Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.

[Dan Patrick]

7,000 bodies out there or more, all.

[Larison Campbell]

Former patients of the old state asylum, and nobody knew they were there.

[John Shire]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.

[Larison Campbell]

When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.

[Gilbert Arenas]

The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.

[Larison Campbell]

I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Under Yazu Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jorge Cham]

Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you, why is my.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch.

[Jorge Cham]

Or if hypnotism is real, you will.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Use the suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control.

[Jorge Cham]

But what's inside a black hole?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Black holes could be a consequence of the way that we understand the universe.

[Jorge Cham]

Well, we have answers for you in the new I Heart original podcast Science Stuff. Join me, Jorge Cham, as we tackle questions you've always wanted to know the answer to about animals, space, our brains and our bodies. Questions like, can you survive being cryogenically frozen?

[Gilbert Arenas]

This is experimental. This may never work for you.

[Jorge Cham]

What's a quantum computer?

[Dan Patrick]

It's not just a faster computer. It performs in a fundamentally different way.

[Jorge Cham]

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[Gilbert Arenas]

It's more of a comfort issue.

[Jorge Cham]

We'll talk to experts, break it down, and give you easy to understand explanations to fascinating scientific questions. So give yourself permission to be a science geek and listen to science stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Prohibition. It's no secret that banning alcohol didn't stop people from living it up in the 1920s.

[Larison Campbell]

When we're five years into prohibition, the government is starting to go, okay, this isn't working.

[Ed Helms]

In fact, you might even say it backfired spectacularly. I'm Ed Helms, and on season three of my podcast, Snafu, we're taking you back to the 1920s and the tale of Formula 6. Because what you probably don't know about Prohibition is that American citizens were dying in massive numbers due to poisoned liquor. And all along, an unlikely duo was trying desperately to stop the corruption behind it.

[Gilbert Arenas]

They were like superhero crusaders turning the page on a system that didn't work, wasn't fair, and was corrupt.

[Ed Helms]

So how did Prohibition's war on alcohol go so off the rails that the government wound up poisoning its own people? To find out, listen and subscribe to snafu on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Larison Campbell]

Someone was posting photos.

[Gilbert Arenas]

It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of of A global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Jorge Cham]

This should be illegal, but what is this?

[Margie Murphy]

This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.

[Jorge Cham]

The way I approach risk is constantly try things and actually make it okay to fail.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel. I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life. We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think.

[Seth Greenberg]

Is the right thing for the world.

[Dan Patrick]

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. He's the host of Gil's arena podcast. Three time all star with the Wizards and his show, his underdog hit show just surpassed 1 million subscribers. Look at you. You're making moves, man. You're making moves. Trying to this time of the year. I think back to March Madness when you guys played for the national championship and you played against Duke. What do you remember about that moment?

[Gilbert Arenas]

That's funny because of Richard Jefferson. I remember the final four against Michigan State where I was doing a lot of gambling for steals and tried to get through a pin down screen. And Troy, it was Hudson and Zach Randolph closed that door on me and I tore soft tissue muscle in my chest. I finished the game but you know, I was hurt going into the championship.

[Dan Patrick]

Game or you would have beaten Duke, Is that what you're saying?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Of course. I was a man on fire back then.

[Dan Patrick]

Was that Mike Dunleavy's Duke team.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yes. That was Mike Dunleavy's breakout game, you know, but they had a loaded roster. Also that Jason Will or Jay Will Boozer. You had Duhan Young Dohan. Shane Batty was the best player on the team. So they were there. They were also loaded.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you hate Duke?

[Gilbert Arenas]

I did. I did. Because I thought, you know, even though I was hurt, we still had a chance to win that game. And I think There was like 22 missed calls in that game, which we felt we was reft unfairly.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, wait, wait. Who decided there were 22 missed calls?

[Gilbert Arenas]

You know, you know, the ESPN after, you know, you know, when you watch after, you know, there was a pivotal play where Jason Gardner was dribbling and he stopped and J. Will fell on him, which would have been his third foul in the first. And they didn't even call him. He's just sitting there. Jay Wills fell all on him. He's just sitting there, just bouncing the ball. And they never actually called that foul.

[Dan Patrick]

So you think Duke getting preferential treatment?

[Gilbert Arenas]

It felt that way. It felt. It did feel that way. But, you know, it's the championship game. You know, they can't call everything.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm curious. With Nil, with your son and your daughter, you do have the financial means that, you know, but do you still. How are they taking advantage? Will they take advantage of name, image and likeness, your son and daughter? Very, very highly rated recruits?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yes. You know, I, I told them, you know, there's nil and then there's collective. Right. Most, you know, parents are mixing the two and they don't understand the difference. Nil is your name and likeness, so you have to be a popular player and personality. The collective is what everyone's getting from the school themselves. Right. So, you know, the school money is very different from the nil Nil you have to earn through your performance, your social media presence. So, you know, they're understanding, you know, that, that. That situation.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but are you their agent? Are you negotiating?

[Gilbert Arenas]

No, no, I'll talk to agents. Right now, you know, my son is thinking about going with clutch sports, you know, and, you know, working on the nil side of it. You know, my daughter's still trying to figure out, you know, what she wants to go with. I think she might go with Aaron Goodwin for her Nil and Collective deals.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And then your son reclassified.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yes. He went from being a junior to a senior so he can, you know, get into college early because the collective money will be cut off April 8th and then there would be a cap in college.

[Dan Patrick]

But do you look at Cooper Flagg at 18 being successful as any kind of blueprint or, hey, my son can do the same thing at the same age.

[Gilbert Arenas]

You know, you can, you can't, you can't compare, you know, your kids to these unicorn type of kids where that's where a lot of parents mess up. You know, Cooper Flagg is one of those rare, you know, kids where, you know, you can't build the blueprint off of, you know, those type of kids. The LeBron James, the Cooper Flags, the Paulo Bencheros, the Zion William though, those are one offs, right? Cooper Flag will be successful. He's, I mean, what can you say about him, right? He's number one pick. He will be the number one pick. And people say if AJ was in this draft, he would be the number one pick. Yeah, right. I'm sorry, this Cooper Flag has an engine you can't teach. Right. You can teach him skill, you can teach him the game. You can't teach how hard he plays this game. And 17, you know, now 18, I'm drafting him number one every single time.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's tricky. Now who's the best player who couldn't miss that you played against or with. Like everybody thought that guy's going to be a star. And just for whatever reason wasn't that.

[Gilbert Arenas]

I played with or seen coming into the league. Yeah, we'll probably been in my draft where we had all the high school kids, you know, the Eddie Curry's, the Tyson Chandler. We knew he was just a defensive player. The Kwame Browns.

[Dan Patrick]

How does Mike Michael Jordan take Kwame Brown?

[Gilbert Arenas]

How does he. Upside?

[Dan Patrick]

What? Oh, okay, so your upside, you know.

[Gilbert Arenas]

So what you're looking at is you're looking at the age, you're looking at the body style, and you're looking at the raw potential of the player where, what's his ceiling, what's his, his floor. And you know, it's, it's not the kids that are the bust, it's the organization. Because you're taking this kid with the idea that you're gonna build something great. So if you don't build something greater, if you don't have the infrastructure of building, you know, a player, then it's your, it's your fault. Because the 18 year old doesn't know what to do. He's coming in from high school straight into the NBA. He doesn't know the landscape. So you have to teach him, teach him that.

[Dan Patrick]

But Jordan, you know, takes a chance on Kwame and Then Adam Morrison was the other end. He had been in college and both of these guys turned out to be bust. So, you know, Mike and a lot of great players, former players, have a hard time, you know, assessing other players because their standards are so high.

[Gilbert Arenas]

It's, it's, it's the standard, but it's also the, the delusion of what makes you great. Right. So someone like Jordan, he thinks he's great or he was great because of his fundamentals of the game. Right. He doesn't consider the raw athleticism that he had, the big hands, the 40 something inch vertical, the fast twitch. He doesn't consider that. So he looks at, you know, what made him the greatest of all time, not what he came into the environment with. You already had a Bugatti engine and then you tweaked it for, you know, every train, he's buying Hondas and drafting Hondas thinking he could turn them into Bugattis. Like, no. Right. So it's, it's, it's a little bit of the delusion that he came into the world with the Bugatti already.

[Dan Patrick]

We're talking to Gilbert Arenas, co host of Gill's arena podcast. But you had Jordan, Washington Wizards version.

[Gilbert Arenas]

No, I played against that. I was the person that came in after he left.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

So did you play against him as a rookie?

[Gilbert Arenas]

I played against him those first two years when he was in Washington.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, and how was that as a.

[Gilbert Arenas]

You know, I played him in, I played against him in 99, right. When he retired at Jordan camp, when I played against him in the NBA is Jordan. So, you know, for the most part you're admiring as a young fan, but you also trying to show him that you belong to. So, you know, I dropped 41 on him.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think he remembers that as well as you?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Oh, yeah, no, yeah, he remembers it because, you know, you know, I was a Jordan camp kid. I was a counselor, so I was performing very well then too. So when I got to the NBA, I used to talk a bunch of trash of how I did him and he said, this is the big leagues and nothing changed.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you ever have a situation where, like Stephen a. Did with LeBron James, where a reporter or broadcaster that you have an incident on the court?

[Gilbert Arenas]

No, I understood media early. You know, I usually beat them to the punch. Right. So if I had a bad game, I, I, I brung it up first. You know, I didn't let anyone hit me with, you know, you're 4 for 17 performance. I was like, I know why you guys are here. I was 4 for 17, so let's just get right to it. So, you know, already lightened the room, but, you know, this is uncharted territory. You know, no one ever played with their kid. No one ever had, you know, this type of situation where you can have this blended gray area conversations.

[Dan Patrick]

But what if you were in the league and your son was able to go into the NBA and you had that wealth of power that you said, I hey, I'm gonna navigate this. So we draft my son to be able to play with me at the end of my career, I would have.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Did the same thing. Okay, listen, let's just be honest. Every parent would have did the same thing across the landscape. Most of you know, America, kids that go into the business is not ready. They're not ready to take over the business or get into the situations they get into. But, you know, as a parent, as a father, as a mother, that is your job to prep your kid and get them ready for this level. So, you know, what LeBron did, every parent would have. Right. But if you, if you rewind and go back to, you know, the 55th pick, who did they. Who was available, that's showing you right now. They should have been that pick. No. 1, right? So being 19 years old, athletic for a point guard, six two, fast, right. Strong, can shoot, can dribble, right? That was the right pick. And, you know, people have to remember that Clutch said, if you pick him earlier than we're trying to, we're going to go overseas. So there was teams interested before 55th.

[Dan Patrick]

How have you assessed Bronnie? Have you been critical?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yes, I'm. I live in reality, right.

[Dan Patrick]

Don't you live in LA?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yeah, true, but from the 40, from the 40th pick to the 60th pick, what. What am I expecting from these guys, right? A bench filler. Someone is going to go to the G League. They'll probably be out of the league by two years, right? Maybe they might get you the third year, but most of these guys are not getting to a second contract. So where Bronny is, I figured, okay, by the time his third year comes around, he will be usable in the NBA. You know, come in, you know, last two minutes of the game, last three minutes, you know, he'll be one of those type of players. I did not expect him to be dominated in the G League right now. I thought he had to learn how to be aggressive. The bones of his game was already there. Right. Fast, can jump. You can't teach that being Aggressive in the shell shock of Curry, John Moran. Yeah, that was going to, that gets everyone number one pick to the sixth pick, right? So I'm impressed with how fast he actually turned his game around, and you can see the confidence in him.

[Dan Patrick]

Who were the best offensive players in your career that you faced?

[Gilbert Arenas]

That I faced Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson.

[Dan Patrick]

That's a pretty good list.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yeah. Kevin Durant, LeBron James. I can even, I can put Tim Duncan up there. Vince Carter. Right. So I, I came in Dwayne Wade. Right. Carmelo Anthony. Right. So the, the era I came in is basically, if you look at the top five shooting guards of all time, I actually played against all of them.

[Dan Patrick]

Who's the best shooter of all time?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Best shooter? Steph Curry.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, not even close.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Not even close.

[Dan Patrick]

How would you do in a shooting contest.

[Gilbert Arenas]

If we, if we had to shoot a hundred times? I'll probably win 10, 10 to 15 of those games. It's, it's, it's. When you, when you're talking about that elite, the Reggie Millers, the Birds, the Craig Hodges, the Clays, even, you know, Kevin Durant, Kawhi is a great shooter. It's about who can empty their brain the longest. Meaning there's no thought, right? There's not, oh, did I leave the stove on? Is anybody watching? Right? It's just, it's just Homer Simpson, this Homer Simpson moment. Who can be Homer Simpson the longest, though, right? And I, and I think that, you know, Curry and Clay seems like they can sustain it longer than, you know, everybody else I've ever seen, but it.

[Dan Patrick]

Feels like there's a really wide margin, Gilbert, between the greatest shooter of all time and then whoever's the second greatest shooter of all time.

[Gilbert Arenas]

It's the longevity.

[Dan Patrick]

And. But is Ray Allen, like, who's the second greatest shooter of all time?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Probably Clay.

[Dan Patrick]

Second.

[Gilbert Arenas]

I'm sorry to say I really believe it's Klay Thompson because the shots he's had to take, the volume, the microscope of it, the 60 points with less than 11 dribbles, those guys didn't do that. I mean, the shot ability wasn't in the ERA then, but just to see he's doing that with two hall of Famers first ballot on his, on his roster. If you remove those guys, I mean, Jesus Christ, Clay would have been first ballot. He still might be a first ballot, but you would be saying he is the greatest shooter of all time. It's just the ways he did it. Now, if I'm going to take Clutch, I'm going with Reggie Miller, right? Reggie Miller's clutch shooting is above, you know, those guys. Ray Allen is an in between of a guy who was a, I call it like a perfect, perfect player shooter where he was very athletic. He can shoot, he can play make. Right? So he was, he was like above Reggie and just the player themselves. And then Steph actually combined everyone into one. Someone who can shoot off the dribble, fast break shooting off the screen shooting. His ability to just put them all in one. That's what Steph Curry is.

[Dan Patrick]

How bothered are you that Richard Jefferson went 13th in the draft and you went 31st?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Oh, not gonna lie. Every time I see his face, I'm like, ah. Because it's the, it's, it's the one thing he, he can always bring up that actually gets to me, right? You know, me being an all star, all NBA, getting paid more than him. Something about the draft where he was, he was the fourth best player on our team, like from his freshman year to his junior year. He didn't improve in nothing. Right. 11 points freshman year, 11 points, sophomore year, 11 points to junior year, like, but really did open up my eye to understand what the next level is. Right. It's not about your college performance, it's about your upside. And then when you step back out of our team. He had the best upside. Right. You know, you're talking about a 6, 7, 68 small forward shooting guard, Today's power forward, today's center who can run, jump defend, put the ball in the basket if need be. That's, that's who you're going to go with every single time.

[Dan Patrick]

He looks like he was a star player when you see him on tv.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Yes, yes. Like he was a very, very good mixture of if you need me to dominate, I can. Or I can be your second option, your third option. I can be your bridge player. Right. So he was like the perfect guy.

[Seth Greenberg]

That.

[Gilbert Arenas]

If you do not know what to pick, you're safe picking him because he can fill in a lot of voice.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm just saying watching him on espn, he, the older he gets, the better he was like, he looks like he used to be a first team all NBA guy.

[Gilbert Arenas]

No, right where he speaks and he, yeah, he got the look and he's like, you know, if he said, yeah, you know, I used to average, you know, 25. You can believe it just by looking at it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he's Senator Jefferson is who he looks like. He looks like he could, you know, run for political office.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Listen, we had the best personalities on that team. I mean, Luke Walton was with us, right? So we had some. Some guys that, you know, that really pushed a button. And it's. It's no, it's no mistake that we're both in the same field.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, congrats on the success of the show. Always great to catch up with you. Thank you, Gil.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Gil's arena podcast in Mississippi.

[Larison Campbell]

Yazoo clay keeps secrets.

[Dan Patrick]

7,000 bodies out there. Or more.

[Larison Campbell]

A forgotten asylum, cemetery.

[John Shire]

It was my family's mystery.

[Larison Campbell]

Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell, and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Dan Patrick]

Someone was posting photos.

[Gilbert Arenas]

It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.

[Margie Murphy]

This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deepfake pornography and the battle to stop it. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jorge Cham]

Have you ever wondered, if your pet is lying to you, why is my.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch?

[Jorge Cham]

Or if hypnotism is real, you will.

[Gilbert Arenas]

Use this suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control.

[Jorge Cham]

But what's inside a black hole?

[Gilbert Arenas]

Black holes could be a consequence of the way that we understand the universe.

[Jorge Cham]

Well, we have answers for you in the new I Heart original podcast, Science Stuff. Join me, Jorgeham, as we answer questions about animals, space, our brains, and our bodies. So give yourself permission to be a science geek and listen to science stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Larison Campbell]

What's up, y'all? I'm A.J. andrews, pro softball player, sports analyst, and the first woman to win a Rawlings gold Glove on my new podcast, Dropping Diamonds. We dive headfirst into the world of softball by sharing powerful stories, insights and conversations that inspire and empower. It's time to drop bombs and diamonds. Dropping diamonds with AJ Andrews is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Athletes Unlimited Softball League and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to dropping diamonds with AJ Andrews on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

[Ed Helms]

Prohibition is synonymous with speakeasies, jazz flappers, and, of course, failure. I'm Ed Helms, and on season three of my podcast, Snafu, there's a story I couldn't wait to tell you. It's about an unlikely duo in the 1920s who tried to warn the public that Prohibition was going to backfire so badly it just might leave thousands dead from poison. Listen and subscribe to snafu on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.