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Dan Patrick
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Ryan Seacrest
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Manny
Why are TSA rules so confusing?
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Ross Dellinger
You got a hoodie on. Take it all.
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Manny
I'm Manny.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Noah.
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Manny
This is Devin, and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no such thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.
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Dan Patrick
I deserve it, you know?
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Ryan Seacrest
Lock him up.
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Manny
Listen to no such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gerald McCoy
No such thing.
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Lizzie Logan
Have you ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought that's just a bunch of pretentious nonsense? That's exactly what two bored Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II when they tricked the literary world with their intentionally bad poetry, setting off a major scandal. We break down the truth, the lies, and the poetry in between on Hoax, a new podcast hosted by me, Lizzie Logan, and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, Hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
Hello, I'm John Lithgow. We choose to go to the moon. I want to tell you about my new fiction podcast. That's one small step for man about Buzz Aldrin, one of the true pioneers of space. You're a great pilot, Buzz. That's the story you think you know. This is the story you don't. Buds starring me, John Lythgoe, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'. All. Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people, an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe, to the show, and we had a blast. Take a listen.
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Lizzie Logan
Sue and I were like riding the.
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Dan Patrick
Lime bikes the other day and we're like, wee people ride bikes because it's fun. We got more incredible guests like Megan in store, plus news of the day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We are back and ready to go. Fully assembled. Your fab five, Fritzi, the minister of humor, Seton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly, and of course, the backroom guys. Come on in, stay a while. Lot of topics to dive into after vacation. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. And we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. This first hour brought to you by the great folks at Tire Rack. 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But this is Scotty Scheffler's and you're watching it and it's very methodical. It is, you know, drip, drip, drip, water torture as opposed to a guillotine. Tiger was a guillotine. He would just cut your head off. Scotty's like, yep, there he is again. And there he is again. And there he is again. And then he did this on the next to last hole yesterday and this is how it sounded. Do we have Scotty Shepler, Marvin, or is that our play of the day? That is our play of the day. Oh, okay. So we're gonna save that. Okay, fair enough. So Scotty Scheffler wins the BMW. I think the Happy Gilmore cameo at the end of Happy Gilmore 2. You have over a hundred million people who have streamed that movie. And I think this has helped too, that Scotty is, I don't know if he's embraceable, but he's likable, he's enjoyable. And you're watching and you're going to, okay. He's making fun of himself. And I think that really helped. And he, you know, had a four shot deficit and he caught Robert McIntyre and then of course, had some really great performances, shots that you want. I, you know, I, I hate when somebody backs into a title. And Scotty Sheffield did not back into a title. He went out, grabbed it and won it. His fifth PGA Tour title of the season and the first player to win five straight times on the PGA Tour in consecutive years since Tiger woods back in 06 and 07. And I know it sounds blasphemous to say, you know, put Scotty Scheffler and Tiger woods in the same, you know, conversation. I'm not talking about the style, the presentation. I'm talking about the end result. And that's where Scotty deserves to be put in that category. Now, granted, it's a smaller sample size, but if you're looking at Tiger at his Tigerish peak, Scotty is, you know, at least close. He's at least in the conversation with that. And once again, he's never, he still looks like Carl Spackler from, what is it, the Caddyshack. Yeah. Whenever I see him, you know, he's got the beard there, just looks like Bill Murray's character and Caddyshack. But he, he did it in a methodical way once again and very impressive going into the Tour Championship. Also, preseason football. I think we got to declare moratorium on going crazy with our referendums on preseason football because I do have a dilemma here. And I talk about this in certain sports or athletes or teams where it's clickbait. And I have told you this many, many times. I don't subscribe to it. I don't want to do may, you know, not be beneficial for this show or this, my career. But I have to present something when I feel like it needs to be presented. And I'm watching Shador Sanders play and I realize I have to pick a side. It almost feels like you, you either say, hey, really, he looked great, or okay, you can't even cover it and yet be in the middle, you know, kind of neutral with it, which is what I'm trying to be. I thought he played really well. And then all, all of a Sudden, I see the coverage for Dylan Gabriel and, you know, had a fumble and that had interception. The interception wasn't his fault. And Jackson Dart with the Giants played well, but nobody's going to talk about that. So you're trying to find a middle ground with this, with what you say in the preseason. And it kind of comes with, you know, a cautionary tale. You know, we'll play these back in January, you know, when the season's over for a lot of these rookies. Then we'll probably come back and go, that was said. You know, it's like freezing cold takes. We'll bring him back. And, you know, this person said this. I think Shador Sanders will start a game for the Browns this season. Said that when they drafted him. But I don't have an agenda here. And anybody who, you know, believes in and should or Sanders shouldn't have been surprised at how he played. That was the surprising part of it. If you think he can play, then why were you surprised? I expect him to be good. He played well in college. I voted for him third on my Heisman ballot. But, you know, this outpour of media, I mean, it was gushing, it was dripping. It was like, easy here. And, you know, he's limited now due to an injury. I don't think he's going to be their starting quarterback. I think it's Joe Flacco, but I do think he'll get a chance. But I think we need to be fair to Dylan Gabriel as well in this situation. And if you want to throw in Kenny Pickett, you know, it's kind of a hodgepodge of quarterbacks there. But Shador Sanders played well. That's one game in the preseason. It's like summer league basketball, where all of a sudden I'll come in and go, oh, my gosh, this guy put up 40 for the Pistons. He doesn't even make the roster. I think Shador will play, but you do have to pick a side almost, because if I say something negative, well, I'm a hater. And then if I praise Shador Sanders, then I'm, you know, on the bandwagon with Dion and his son. I expect him to play well, and he did play well, and you can celebrate that. But I don't know what that means. I did want to see composure. We talked to Drew Brees before vacation, and, you know, he wants to see those guys who have a good 30 starts. You know, that's where you really get a sense of how good a quarterback is or is going to be. Jaden Daniels and Bo nix that over 50 starts in their careers playing at two different places. Now you get a good sample size. That's why we've had a lot of these quarterbacks recently, high draft picks who maybe had one really good season in college. That's not enough for me. And I think that that's where we need to have buyer beware with all of this. Shador Sanders played well, but I hate picking a side because I don't really have a side on it. I want to be neutral with him. You have football coming up tonight. You have the commanders and the Bengals. This is the holdout game. So commanders and the Bengals. The Bengals are minus five, three and a half, in case you care. But this is the Trey Hendrickson, Terry McLaurin game. Neither will be there. And it, this is where I, you know, I said this about Micah Parsons. If I hear that they're listening to offers in Dallas or somebody is making an offer, now you have my attention. I truly believe that this will come down to the last week before we get to the regular season and Jerry will own all the headlines and Micah Parsons will be brought in and he'll proudly say he's the highest paid non quarterback in the game and then we'll move on. But as far as the Bengals go, they're listening, you know, reportedly listening to trade offers. Now you have my attention. And if you knew that you weren't going to sign him and you knew that he was going to hold firm in what he wanted, then why didn't you think about this prior to the draft? Why didn't you trade him? That's when you could get more for him. But here you are, and you're probably going to waste another Joe Burrow season. You sign up your best receivers and you have a defense that prevented you from making the postseason. So this is where you look at if I'm a fan and I go, you know, management failed us, either trade him back in March prior to the draft or sign him up. Let's go. You know, you only have so many opportunities here and you got a franchise quarterback, a great quarterback and great wide receivers. You're going to have to score a lot of points even if you have Trey Hendrickson and then you have Terry McLaurin. You had this wonderful season last year, surprised everybody. He wants to be paid. He wants to be paid accordingly to, you know, other receivers in the game. He doesn't do anything dynamic, but he is there and he had a wonderful season and hopefully he gets the money he deserves I hope Trey Hendrickson gets the money. I think it's really easy to go. Let me blame the player. If I look at production, Trey Hendrickson has been better than T.J. watt the last two years. Terry McLaurin, his numbers. I can't deny the numbers. But the NFL does not pay you on what you did. They pay you on what they think you'll do. And that's when 30 years of age in Cincinnati is different than 30 years of age in Pittsburgh, because T.J. watt got paid. All right. Yes. Paulie, how about halftime tonight? To spice up the game, Trey Henderson negotiates with the Bengals live on air. 12 minutes halftime. You got to get the contract done. You got 12 minutes. McLaurin, same thing. That's good TV.
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Gerald McCoy
Sure.
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Dan Patrick
I'm good with that. Bengals probably wouldn't be in favor of that. I'd love to know what those negotiations sound like, feel like, and I mean, while we're at it. And then you get. But Jerry. Jerry has to only have the player in there. He doesn't want to have the agents. So Jerry Jones couldn't do that. But wouldn't you love to see how that goes down back and forth? This is where. What happens in the. In these situations, and it happened to me that management can tell your agent whatever they want to tell them. Now, they wouldn't tell you necessarily, but they will say, hey, as you know, the great Mark Shapiro of ESPN said to my agent, you're over the hill. He's over the hill, and he'll never get another job. Well, he says that to my agent, and I'm like, God, when he'd say that to me, yes, he would. But, you know, it's per. You know, it's business. But for Trey hendrickson and Terry McLaurin, it's personal. This is their salary. This is their future. This is their life. For Mike Brown, I mean, he's like, this is just another contract for him, another holdout, another situation that is so Bengal Esh. And then you got the commanders as well with Terry McLaurin. So, you know, proceed with caution in the preseason. Just going to reiterate that here. Satan, what's the poll question today? Well, we could start there in the NFL if you want. And actually, I've been looking at a bunch of different articles about the best destinations for Trey Hendrickson. I can't tell if some of them are actually good destinations or. Or if some of them are just wishful thinking, too. Right. So, like, the alliance are top of that list. I think that would be great. I. I do think they. They might have the room. I'm not a salary capologist, but I think they might have room for something like that. And this is a team that. I don't think they had a sack against the Commanders in the playoffs, in their playoff game. Aiden Hutchinson, of course, was out, but Detroit is one. What are the other ones? I got a long list here. Buccaneers on that list. That could be fun. Okay. Could be fun. I think he lives in Florida. Commanders are. Seem to be on every list right now as a destination for people. People. The Chicago Bears, if you're Trey Hendrickson, are you leaving the Bengals to go to the Bears? I think he's leaving to go wherever they'll pay him. I don't think he's loyal to Cincinnati. Just go, here's three years for $30 million a year. $35 million a year. How's that? Yeah. All done. Three for 100. All done. 60 million guaranteed or something. Done. Good, good. Let's go. But I don't think he goes, man, I really want to stay in Cincinnati. Yeah. Paulie. I had the current list of salary cap space in the NFL. The Lions are number two. They have 47 million currently in open cap space. All right, good point. Any other places? Seaton.
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Gerald McCoy
Now, here's.
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Dan Patrick
That was one list that I saw. This next four teams are a separate list that I saw. The Carolina Panthers. Okay. Would you rather hold out or play for the. This is the holdout or playlist. No, no, because I'd rather. I just want to get paid. If I'm Trey Hendrickson, I don't care. So I'm. I'm, you know, even Carol. All right. Caroline is nice. You know, maybe he looks, you know, good in those uniforms. You think he just wants to get paid? Yes. Do you? Yes. Yeah. At this stage of the game? Yes. Yes. I've been to a Super Bowl. How about the Cleveland Browns team up with Miles Garrett? You could be unstoppable there. Bengals wouldn't trade in in the division, I don't think. Okay. How about the Colts? Okay. Yes. Paul. I went back and looked to see if Trey Hendrickson ever made huge money. He's never gotten top end, defensive end salary. He made 19 million a couple years ago. 18 million in 2023. Quite a bit less than his contemporaries. He's at $68 million in his career, but this is it. This is the last deal. And this upcoming year, he will be making 16 million, which is less than half of Garrett and Watt. All right, let's take a break. We'll settle on a poll question. We did have the Michigan verdict. After two years, they finally NCAA showing its teeth, of course, but we'll talk about that coming up. And also there's and it's in the early stages that the Big Ten is offering up a proposal for playoff expansion that could be 24 to 28 teams. Early stages, but I mean we're headed in this direction. We just are. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartrad.
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan Patrick
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan Patrick
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Ryan Seacrest
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan Patrick
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Manny
Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.
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Lizzie Logan
Attention passengers, the pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.
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Manny
Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control.
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Ross Dellinger
And they're saying like, okay, pull this.
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Manny
Until this, pull that, turn this. It's just I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.
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Dan Patrick
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Gerald McCoy
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Manny
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Dan Patrick
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Manny
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Lizzie Logan
Ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought that's just a bunch of pretentious nonsense? Well, that's exactly what two Bored Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II when they pulled off what was either a bold literary hoax or a grand poetic experiment, publishing over a dozen intentionally bad but highly acclaimed works of expressionist poetry under the name Ern Malley. In an incident that caused a media firestorm and even a criminal trial, the Ern Malley episode made fools of believers and critics alike and still fascinates poetry lovers to this day. We break down the truth, the lies, and the poetry in between on Hoax, a new podcast hosted by me, Lizzie Logan, and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, Hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history, from forged artworks to the original fake news. To try and answer why we believe, listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
Let's bring in Ross, who joins us now. How would you summarize the NCAA's punishment of Michigan football?
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Ross Dellinger
Oh, it's a good question, Dan. I would summarize it as.
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Dan Patrick
You know.
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Ross Dellinger
I guess it depends on who you ask, Dan. You know, if you ask Michigan people, right, they say it was too hard and the penalties financially are too, are too stiff. And that's probably a point of why they're appealing, right? If you ask everybody else in college football and college sports, they'll say it was way, way too light, right? At the NCAA should have given Michigan a postseason ban and they should have vacated wins in championships and they should have added more suspension and penalties to the, the current head football coach, Sharon Moore. I think what the NCAA did and they're starting to move away from the vacated wins, right? They're starting to move away from postseason bands because it penalizes sort of innocent players that are currently on the team in future players that will be on the team. So they're kind of moving away from that. So they're just substituting these financial penalties, you know, for the postseason ban. And if you look at the, the full penalties, accumulative penalties, financial penalties, it's, it's going to be over $30 million and probably as much as 35, $37 million. I mean, that is a historic penalty that we've, you've just never seen anything like it. And I know it's easy to sort of roll your eyes at. They have a lot of money and they can pay it. We're in an age of athlete compensation where they're going to be, everybody's going to be paying, you know, $20 million to their athletes starting this year. So I don't think it's anything necessarily to roll, roll, roll the eyes at. I think it was a pretty significant penalty, but it's probably not what most people believed that they deserved. And I think, and I'll say one more thing about that, Dan, is that if the NCAA, which was tipped off in October 2023, in the middle of that season, that 2023 season was tipped off to this, this science dealing, took a few days to start to really vet it, realized it was real and then alerted the Big Ten, who then suspended Jim Harbaugh those three games. If, Dan, if that doesn't happen and they don't suspend and the Big Ten doesn't decide to suspend Jim Harbaugh, the NCAA doesn't alert the Big Ten to this. Michigan probably does get vacated wins and maybe even gets a postseason ban.
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Dan Patrick
Wait, explain why.
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Ross Dellinger
I think the fact that you sort of dealt with it immediately during that season. I think there's a thought that the three games that the head coach was suspended in, in you remember he was suspended, I think two or three games earlier that season, two for a separate investigation. The fact that you, they immediately took action. You know, and I think Charlie Baker said this after they won the championship, is that you can't argue that they want it sort of fair and square, something like that. And part of the reason he said that is because of that three game suspension for Jim Harbaugh. It's like we dealt with it then, right? We dealt with it there. And I think they took that, the Committee on Infractions took that under consideration. And if that wouldn't have happened, I just have a belief that, that, that championship would have been in jeopardy of being vacated.
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Dan Patrick
If I asked Jim Harbaugh, did you cheat or not? Him, if I ask him, did Michigan cheat, what do you think his answer would be? If I just said yes or no, did Michigan cheat?
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Ross Dellinger
I can't imagine Jim Harbaugh acknowledging in any way that, that the University of Michigan cheated or that he cheated or that anybody on his staff cheated. You know, Michigan as well as Jim Harbaugh, I'm sure, continues to contend that they really received not much of a, of a advantage from the science dealing and the advanced scouting and that it shouldn't have been illegal and that it should, it should be legal to go scout your opponents. And many times Michigan administrators and coaches have come to me and said, look, you know, years ago this, this, this rule was almost changed to permit schools to do it, but it's sort of a cost containment issue. And so they continue to contend that they, they didn't get any advantage. And again, everybody else writing college sports will tell you they did get an advantage. And I think the committee on infractions thought they did get an advantage. And if we were in any other era, Dan, before this sort of rev share type of era, Michigan would have received a postseason ban almost certainly and they would have had scholarship reductions. But this is sort of a new world. And so they decided not to do that and go instead with the financial penalties.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. Jim Harbaugh has a 10 year show cause which means he can't come back and coach in college. Correct. If it's now, that seems like a really harsh punishment for him if he goes back. But he's not going back. My question though would be if he was still there, what would his punishment be if this is his punishment and he's not there? Ross? Yeah.
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Ross Dellinger
Norman Bay, who is the, the chief, he was like the chairman, I think of the committee on infractions. He gave a press conference last week after the ruling and he was asked exactly that. Basically he was asked what would have happened if Jim Harbaugh was still the head coach, what were the penalties have been. And there was like, literally Dan, there was like an 8 second pause and he just stared at the camera and you could see the wheels turning like oh boy, what do I say here? Finally he really sort of danced around the question of, you know, we, it's a hypothetical, we're not going to get into that. But fairly clearly the penalties would have been a lot more severe if Jim Harbaugh was Michigan's coach. There's no doubt about it that it would have been a lot more severe. I mean I say that they have sort of stop doing the postseason ban, but if Michigan, if Jim Harbaugh was still coach of Michigan, you know, if it wasn't going to be, if there wasn't going to be a postseason ban, there was going to be some kind of like season worth of suspensions for him.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Ross Dellinger, Yahoo. Sports senior college football reporter, I saw the story floated by the Big Ten or the Big Ten has an idea for playoff expansion. 24 or 28 teams and we're looking at the Big Ten and the SEC that they would get half the field and then you would have the ACC and Big 12, they get five bids and then you would have two automatic bids for the non power, four conferences and two at large teams. So that escalated quickly that were at least we're talking about this now. We're, I know we're headed towards this. Why? How long is it going to take to get there?
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Ross Dellinger
I think it's still going to take long and I think this idea is just, was just an idea and it is just an idea, right? It was somebody kind of described it to me. I thought it was pretty accurate back of the napkin stuff like this. It really is like this is very, very preliminary. So this was a, we're a week a week ago. So last Monday I think or last Tuesday the Big Ten had a meeting with us its athletic administrators and kind of just sort of presented this hey, what do you think? And everybody sort of gave it the thumbs up right. And then they sent it to the SEC last middle last week, early last week. And there was a preliminary the first call between Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti and SEC commissioner Greg Sankey Friday about it. And it was just sort of a going through it. What do we think of this? It, you know it. I think the Big Ten is sort of like trying to get a feel for where the SEC is and there's really been no answer there from the sec. But this week there could be some kind of answer. The SEC athletic directors meet for a regularly scheduled meeting this week and so I'm guessing it will come up. But Dan, this is so preliminary. Like it's, it's and I heard about it Thursday I decided that I wouldn't write about it because it was so preliminary. ESPN did write about it on Saturday which forced all of us to write about it. But I went to somebody who was very involved in the process about like hey, I'm writing something. They're like there's nothing to write. This is a non story. It's just starting. We haven't even gotten to the first step of it. And they are right. I mean this is very preliminary. So I think we're still a ways away. But Dan, I think we always knew when we went college when college football went from 2 to 4 and certainly when it went from 4 to 12, we knew this was inevitably it was going to go to at least 16. And so I think that's still where the focus is is trying to get this thing to 16. But there's a deadline December 1st where they have to make a decision on next year's playoff. Obviously this year's is 12 and that's all set. We're trying to decide on next year and in the pre and then the next five years. Right. The new, new the new kind of six year extension that starts next year. So they have till December 1. I have a feeling next year's playoff will be where it is this year. It certainly will not be 24 or 28 teams, right? This is not happening within a year.
- [33:53]
Dan Patrick
Great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. No problem.
- [33:56]
Ross Dellinger
Thank you.
- [33:57]
Dan Patrick
Ross Dellinger, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Manny
Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.
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Lizzie Logan
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Manny
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Ross Dellinger
And they're saying like okay, pull this.
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Manny
Until this, pull that, turn this. It's just I do my eyes closed.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Manny, I'm Noah, this is Devin.
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Manny
And on our new show no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.
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Dan Patrick
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Manny
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Dan Patrick
See?
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Manny
Listen to no such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Lizzie Logan
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Dan Patrick
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Ross Dellinger
Some bones in it.
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Gerald McCoy
Backlog will be identified in our lifetime.
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Dan Patrick
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Ryan Seacrest
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- [38:38]
Dan Patrick
He's Gerald McCoy. He was a former defensive tackle, six time Pro Bowler and third overall pick in the draft 2010. I believe three of the four top four were from Oklahoma. Does that sound right, Gerald?
- [38:53]
Gerald McCoy
That sounds absolutely perfect. Yes. It was three to four. It Was Sam. And then I went. And then Trent went number four.
- [39:05]
Dan Patrick
And then endemic. And sue was in there as well.
- [39:08]
Gerald McCoy
Was two. Yes, but okay, five. Five of the top six were from the Big 12. So we had some going a year.
- [39:16]
Dan Patrick
Okay, let me give the official introduction. NFL Network carries six preseason games that'll be coming up a quadruple header this Saturday, August 23rd, starting at 1 Eastern on NFL Network. Do coaches give pregame speeches in preseason?
- [39:37]
Gerald McCoy
Yeah, they do. Preseason is still about preparing the team and somebody has to play the game. Whether it's the starters, the backups, whoever, the game still has to be played. And most coaches say, hey, if they keep the score, we want to go out and win. And we've been working on all these things, whether you've had joint practices or not, whether you've just been practicing together, whatever we've been working on, coach wants to go see you executed in the game. The coaches do a great job of not trying to downplay what preseason is. That's more like the starters and the players that will do something like that. But the coaches, they locked in at all times. I'm talking about they still yelling on the sideline. They still is still a game. So, yeah, they do get pregame speech.
- [40:24]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but how do I process the Bills getting blown out by the Bears? That we know the Bills are good, but they got embarrassed by the Bears. Let me look at it from the Bill's perspective of how would you feel if you played for the Bills and you got blown out like that?
- [40:40]
Gerald McCoy
Well, it's not a great feeling because we've been practicing. We've still been practicing, and we've still been working on the things that we do. So you go out in the game and don't put up any points, like none. That is. That's not a great feeling for whoever's out there because preseason, some of these games might be the only NFL football some of these guys ever play. And they live and tell stories off their preseason experience and their game. So if you go out there and the only experience you've ever had, you got blown out 38.
- [41:11]
Dan Patrick
Zero.
- [41:12]
Gerald McCoy
That's not a story you want to tell. But also for the coaches who are trying to look for the special teams players and the guys who might be the backups, it's not a good look for them either. So I'm pretty sure those meetings are not pleasant this week.
- [41:26]
Dan Patrick
What's it like when somebody gets cut in training camp?
- [41:30]
Gerald McCoy
It's horrible. It's something you don't want to see. I Remember in the spring, we. This wasn't even training camp. This is spring. Can't remember what year it was, but all the D linemen got together after workouts and meetings, and we went to see a movie. And while we were sitting in the theater during the movie, one of the guys just stood up, was like, all right, fellas, I'm gonna get out of here. We was like, dog, the movie just started. He was like, oh, they just cut me, so I gotta get outta here. I was like. And we was just like, bro, do we sit and enjoy the movie or do we leave? Like, we don't. We don't know what to do. It's a bad feeling. I've seen so many different cuts. We've been sitting in the meeting the day of final cuts, and you feel like once you make it to team meeting, all right, we good. But I found out many a time even making it to their meeting is not. So you walk around, you see people, like, looking around the corner, hoping they don't, you know, get called, and then you get in a team meeting. One time we was in a team meeting, the team meeting starting, and Shelton Quarles, we called him the Grim reaper in Tampa because he was the one who would come grab you. So we was all like, you know, like, everybody look out for the grim reaper. So we sit in the. We sit in the team meeting and then we see. We hear that back door open up and everybody turn around and Shelton, we was like, oh, my gosh, he came and grabbed somebody. And then one time, it was week one, week one, the first practice. So you. We come back that Monday before the first week. It's not that Wednesday. Is that Monday. So you want to get to that Wednesday. So then Monday comes up, we outside of practice, and Shelton walks on the field to practice to the warm ups and grab somebody off the field. I was like. I said, man, this business is ruthless. This is just. Yeah, it's not a great feeling. It's not something you want to see.
- [43:20]
Dan Patrick
Because it's your dream. I think if you made it through the first week in the first game, it's. It's like, okay, I feel like I'm. I've made the roster. I'm pretty safe there.
- [43:32]
Gerald McCoy
That's. That's what it feels like. But I tell people all the time, man, the NFL is about adjustments, not just game day adjustments. You really have to adjust to everything just to new coaches adjust, new players adjust to the weather. Everybody plays hurt, nobody's healthy. After the first day of practice, it's just a game of adjustments. You, the roster you start with, even in week one might not be the roster you go into the game with, but definitely the roster you start with. Week one ain't the roster you gonna end week 17 with. So it's just all about adjustments.
- [44:04]
Dan Patrick
He's Gerald McCoy, works for NFL Network as an analyst and former defensive tackle. NFL Network has six preseason games that'll be a quadruple header this Saturday, Aug. 23, starting at 1 Eastern. The difference in the sound of a rookie quarterback at the line of scrimmage and Tom Brady. You know, any veteran, he's any of those guys, the sound, their voice, Is there a difference? If I say just listen, you can tell a rookie at the line of scrimmage and a veteran, yeah, you could.
- [44:41]
Gerald McCoy
Definitely tell the difference. The level of confidence, how they operate, even the communication from the offensive line. Rookies, depending on who's the center, this is what a lot of people won't know is I don't care how good the rookie is, if he has a vet center, he's going to depend a lot on his center for protections, changing plays, a lot of things that's going. So you may hear the rookie calling it, but they're real indecisive with things they want to do. The center helps them out a lot. I remember this happened with Cam. Trying to think of some other young guys that I played. I really can only really think of Cam right now because that's why I played in division. But Ryan Kalil will help Cam out a lot. Cam was very decisive as he got older. But when we first played, Cam would call things out, but we'd be at the line and Ryan would be calling out, no, we not doing this. We going here, here, Cam. And they would be going back and forth like, okay, confirming what's going on. But then you play a Drew Brees or Matt Ryan, and oh, shoot. Kill, kill, kill, kill. You like, man, what the heck is going on? Hey, switching Levante, please change something. Cause Drew is out there. Like, Drew is cerebral, man. And he listen and Drew. Me and Drew trained together, so that's what made that fun. He would be talking, like, looking at me, like, making changes, like, looking me dead in my face, like, let me know y' all not about to stop this, you know? So it was. It was always fun, you know, going back and forth with Drew.
- [46:13]
Dan Patrick
What was it like to tackle Cam Newton?
- [46:19]
Gerald McCoy
So I don't know if y' all have ever seen, like, toddlers, like, really feel like they can take their Parent down, like, really feel like they can jump on their dad's leg and tackle them. And then the dad is like wrapped. He's like wrapped around their leg and they just like dragging you across the carpet. That's pretty much what it feel like trying to take Cam down. Because Cam in my time was the most elusive. I still think he's the most elusive quarterback ever. Simply because we've seen Lamar, we've seen Vick, seen Randall Cunningham, we've seen all these people be elusive to where they can escape. But Cam was doing everything they're doing at 662-50-260 doing it. But he's just as smooth. He can run not as fast, but he can run very fast. He's outrunning people. He can make you miss. And he had that fake to the right, spin back out to the left. He had that step forward, step back move. Cam had everything you needed to be an elusive quarterback. But then when you hit him, it's like, please go down. Because he had all the padding. He had pads on his arms. He had pads on his calves. He had the flack jacket. It's like, cam, come on, dog. You already 260. Why are you wearing all this stuff? But he's wearing all this stuff and he's still moving. The way he's moving. Like, you really had to jump on Cam to get him on the ground. Cam was. He's one of the best, man.
- [47:45]
Dan Patrick
Do you still have your Batman themed Rolls Royce?
- [47:50]
Gerald McCoy
I have the Rolls Royce, but I made it Kobe after Kobe passed away. So it was Batman. But I have. I. So what I have now is I have a Batman themed cyber truck and I have my Batman chain on too. So yeah, yeah, I'm all Batman down.
- [48:11]
Dan Patrick
How did you trick out the Kobe Rolls Royce?
- [48:15]
Gerald McCoy
It's red. Still red. And I put the Mamba logo on the front of my hood. So did you ever meet him? I did meet Kobe. I met Kobe at the players tribune meeting in la and for somebody to be somebody you looked up to.
- [48:36]
Dan Patrick
So they.
- [48:37]
Gerald McCoy
They kept talking about the players Tribune meeting, and I was part of the players tribune and they were having a big meeting and they called me and they was like, hey, this year, last year, Kobe was supposed to be there. He wasn't there this year. He's for sure going. He's for sure confirmed. Are you going? I'm like, I'm already headed to the airport. So, like, so I get there and I'm in the meeting. I'm seeing all these people. Michael Phelps, These Von Millers, these. These Paul Pierces, these just all these top Maria Sharapovas, all these, like, people. Like, KD's in there. Blake Griffin and all these. And I'm like, I know Blake. I know kd. I know Vaughn. I know all these people. Derek Jeter. Got to meet Derek Jeter. But, you know, he's in Tampa all the time. So I had met him before. I'm like, hey, listen, no offense. Where is he at? You know? So I see him walk down the steps, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is happening. And he just walks in, and he's just a normal dude. He's just a normal dude, man. He walked up. He's like, what's up, big fella? And he's shaking everybody hand, and he sit down. We have a meeting. We go through the players review. We have a great meeting. Then afterwards, we went outside to the pool where they was having the after party. And he comes outside and he comes. He's sitting next to me, and he slapped me on the leg. He's like, what's up, big dog? How you doing? And we, like, hold a conversation. Then I asked for a picture, and then he leaves. It's just like. It was almost like the perfect meeting of one of your, like, heroes, honestly, one of the people I looked up to my entire career, man, and it was a great feeling. So, yes, I did have opportunity to meet Kobe.
- [50:19]
Dan Patrick
More nervous with that or playing in a big. In a playoff game.
- [50:24]
Gerald McCoy
It was. I was more nervous meeting Kobe for sure, because you don't want to mess it up, you know? Like, you know, it's just meeting them, but you still, like, you don't want to be. You just don't want to be weird, man. Like, and I'm. And I'm. I'm. I'm not a nervous person. Like, I'm not. I don't get nervous, really. You know, I don't really get embarrassed if I fall in front of thousands of people. I just get up, like, dang, y' all just tripped and fail. But that's just how I am. Like, I don't really get embarrassed like that. So, you know, I was. But I was really nervous to meet Kobe as much as I've been wanting to meet him and all these things I' ma say to him when I meet him. And I had to do none of this. I didn't do none of this. None of this.
- [51:07]
Dan Patrick
Good. A couple of football things here. The contract situation with Trey Hendrickson, Michael Parsons, Terry McLaurin, yeah. Which one? Which one is, you know, potentially serious. That it? You know, a player could change teams.
- [51:26]
Gerald McCoy
If I have somebody that could really change the team, is Michael Parsons, like.
- [51:30]
Dan Patrick
The Cowboys going to another team.
- [51:33]
Gerald McCoy
Oh, go to another team. Probably Trey Henderson. Trey Hendricks said there's a real possibility he could get traded. You think about San Fran could trade for him? I would love to see him go to the Bucks. He could, you know, possibly Washington. Washington definitely could use him. It's a missing piece, but I think it's a real possibility he could get traded out of there because we've seen the history of Cincinnati. They just. They just don't pay people. It is like this is always like a reoccurring thing. Then we always looking at Cincinnati like, what the heck are y' all doing with. Why y' all don't want to pay anybody? Terry McLaurin, I don't see getting traded. Micah definitely is not getting traded, but, yeah, if I had to pick anybody's.
- [52:18]
Dan Patrick
Trey Hendrickson, give me your sneaky team this year.
- [52:22]
Gerald McCoy
The Raiders. Oh, the Raiders. Pete Carroll, he's a 10 win coach. This is what he does. It's. Some people you just like, they just. This is what they do. It may not be glamorous or whatever, but this is just what they do. You just look up and it's like, man, he averaged a double double again. How the heck is he doing this? That's just. That's. Pete cares. One of them guys with 10 wins, he just, he. He knows how to win. He has a formula. He runs the ball. Physical run game. He had Marshawn Lynch. You go get Ashton Jimty. Because this is. This is my style. This is what I want to do. You go out and get a quarterback that you know can play, that's a vet that you don't have to teach him. He's won some games, made the playoffs. Geno Smith, you. You already got Brock Bowers. You go draft offensive lineman so you can run the ball and be physical. You got your receivers that could take the top off the defense. Max Crosby's on the other side. I know what John Spitek, the gm, I was with him in Tampa. I know his philosophy and how he builds teams. I just believe that this team is going to shock a lot of people with the things they can do with the formula they have. Pete Carroll is just a winner. And, and in that city in Vegas, Pete Carroll fits that perfect. He recruited me when he was at usc, so I've seen how he can handle big cities and how he can Handle the lights. And we've seen it in Seattle, going to two Super Bowls, going to multiple AFC championships, winning a Super Bowl. This is just who Pete Carroll is. And I know what he can do. And I believe that they are going to be a team that sneaks up on a lot of people.
- [54:03]
Dan Patrick
Oklahoma paid better than usc.
- [54:07]
Gerald McCoy
Hey, listen, let me tell you something. I'm in the clear now. I didn't get anything, but I tell people all the time. I tell people this all the time. Y' all can't do nothing to me. Now, if I. If I'm not one of the people that's gonna get on here and say, hey, no, I wouldn't have took nothing. Please. Yeah. All right. Don't. Hey, hey, hey. I'm from Southside, Oklahoma City. We ain't had much. I needed all I could get, but I didn't get nothing. So, you know, whatever. Oh, you just owe you.
- [54:38]
Dan Patrick
Hey, I don't blame players at getting money, you know, getting a handout, but, I mean, now you can do it.
- [54:46]
Gerald McCoy
Yeah. At this. Man, listen, college is. You go for the reasons you go. You know, back then, everything has changed. I go talk to these teams, these guys at ou, these incoming recruits. I've talked to the team that's there now. And when I was there, I tell people the times of going to a school because you grew up loving the school or the tradition or this is ou. I know them days over with, so I'm not one of the people they bring in. And I go talk to the team and like, we have a standard. We have a this and this and this. That's not me. I say, I know the reasons for people going to different schools are different now, but if you're going to be here, be here. Don't have your mind somewhere else. Find whatever reason it is you're here and do it for that at this school. And then I go into the tradition of ou. If you're gonna wear these colors while you're here, at least uphold what we. Our standard is while you're here. If you want to leave after that, then go. That's fine. If you don't want to be here, you don't have to be here. But while you're here, uphold this standard that this school has always had. So that's kind of my message to the new generation, because I know it's. It's different reasons why kids are going there.
- [56:02]
Dan Patrick
So. Oh, you gave you a better deal than usc. Sweet.
- [56:06]
Gerald McCoy
I wish, man.
- [56:09]
Dan Patrick
Hey, keep killing it there on NFL Network. Great to have you on. We appreciate your time.
- [56:15]
Gerald McCoy
I appreciate y' all have me anytime.
- [56:18]
Dan Patrick
That's Gerald McCoy.
- [56:19]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through August 26th, it's back to deals time, where you can enjoy storewide deals and earn four times points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Califia Farms, Pillsbury Crescent, Yoplay, General Mills, Prego, Bertoli, Heinz and Kraft. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pick up or delivery subject to availability restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details.
- [56:51]
Dan Patrick
For years, everyone thought Verizon had the.
- [56:53]
Lizzie Logan
Best network because they did.
- [56:55]
Dan Patrick
But now the best mobile network in the US Is T Mobile. T Mobile's network has the most advanced 5G with more towers and their signal reaches further than ever. So you can text an insta talk and say, you won't believe where I am.
- [57:12]
Gerald McCoy
T Mobile has the best mobile Network.
- [57:13]
Dan Patrick
In the US based on analysis by.
- [57:15]
Ross Dellinger
Ooklev Speed Test Intelligence Data 1H 2025.
- [57:18]
Manny
CT Mobile.com Network why are TSA rules so confusing?
- [57:22]
Ross Dellinger
You got a hoodie on. Take it all.
- [57:24]
Manny
I'm Manny.
- [57:25]
Dan Patrick
I'm Noah.
- [57:26]
Gerald McCoy
This is Devin.
- [57:27]
Manny
And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me, I deserve it, you.
- [57:40]
Dan Patrick
Know, Lock him up.
- [57:40]
Manny
Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [57:47]
Gerald McCoy
No such thing.
- [57:50]
Lizzie Logan
In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more incredible, that article was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who invented Sherlock Holmes. How did he fall for that hopes? Is a new podcast for me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood, and me, Lizzy Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history and try to answer the question why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [58:29]
Dan Patrick
Hello, I'm John Lithgow. We choose to go to the moon. I want to tell you about my new fiction podcast. That's One Small Step about Buzz Aldrin, one of the true pioneers of space. You're a great pilot, Buzz. That's the story you think you know. This is the story you don't Buzz, starring me, John Lithgow, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iheart po.