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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff.
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Dan Patrick
Teams need to return to the postseason and how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.
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Unknown Speaker
Clock, we'll break it all down once.
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Dan Patrick
All 257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lodd and this is season.
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Unknown Speaker
Two of the War on Drugs podcast, sir. Last year a lot of the problems.
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Dan Patrick
Of the drug war. This year a lot of the biggest.
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Greg Rosenthal
Names in music and sports. This kind of star studded a little.
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Dan Patrick
Bit man, we met them at their homes, we met them at the recording studios. Stories matter and it brings a face to them.
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Greg Rosenthal
It makes it real.
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Dan Patrick
It really does.
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Greg Rosenthal
It makes Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war.
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Greg Rosenthal
J. Edgar Hoover was furious.
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Unknown Speaker
He was out of his mind and.
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Greg Rosenthal
He wanted to bring the Catholic left to its KN.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Unknown Speaker
You are listening to the Dan Patrick.
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Dan Patrick
Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Unknown Speaker
Ah, it's great to be back. We will be doing our show in Green Bay starting on Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and first come, first serve as far as a studio audience. Once we get to capacity then we have to close the doors. We'll do a meet and greet on Wednesday night at the bar on Homegrown Way. That'll be from four to six and there's no admission fee there. Basketball yesterday over the weekend the Pacers are a sneaky good team. I know they're facing a banged up Bucks team without Dame Lillard, but they win Nuggets and overtime over the Clippers, the Knicks, I thought they were going to lose to the Pistons and then There was a 21 to nothing run and the Knicks survived Game 1, the Timberwolves over the Lakers. And then yesterday the Thunder beat the Grizz by 51 points. That's the largest game one victory margin of victory in NBA history. 51 points, the largest in a playoff game since 2015. And you're watching the game and it I felt bad for Mike Breen. He's the play by play voice and I'm going Mike, you're going to have to do some Phil, you're going to have to tell some stories with Richard Jefferson here and Doris Burke because this game is going to get out of hand early. The Lakers somehow were surprised at the physicality of the Timberwolves. I never understood that. I don't know if I'd ever admit that. Where I go, yeah, dang man, they, they play physical. Luca played well but the rest of the team didn't hold up there under the bargain and Minnesota came after them and didn't let up and picked up the victory there. But you know you can't lose games at home, can't not first round can't. And you can't be surprised at the physicality of a team there. But they were. But Luca did have a respectable game. But, you know, Minnesota had a balanced attack here. Oklahoma City, they're a cute story. They're no longer a cute story. They're a real story. And I think sometimes we get caught up and you go, oh, that team out there in Oklahoma City, oh, look at them. How many wins do they have? They went 68 and 14. They dominated. You got some other players on that team. I know they're going to have the MVP in Shea. Jalen Williams is a rising star. Chad Holmgren, maybe a future defensive player of the year winner. They got a really good bench. The Thunder, no longer a cute story. They're a problem. They are. They're a real problem. And sometimes you'll see teams. I mentioned this with Houston, Houston lost to Golden State. There are certain teams that go into the playoffs and it's almost like it's a fact finding mission. It's like a school trip. You're like, let's go see what that's like. Hey, let's go into the playoffs and see what that's like. And then we can kind of collect our thoughts and then get ready to go into next season. Now, I'm not going to say that they're not going to beat Golden State. I will be surprised if they beat Golden State. Only because of Golden State has been there. I mean, if you look at just Steph Curry, Steph has more playoff games than the entire roster. Then you throw in Draymond Green, then you throw in Jimmy Butler, then you throw in some of these bench guys, then you throw in Steve Kerr. It's an incredible advantage for them. And you saw with Steph and Playoff Jimmy, they're probably the best tandem in the NBA. And I thought, you know, Luke and LeBron, the way they were playing at the end of the regular season, and I would probably still side with them, but probably the general consensus is Steph and Playoff Jimmy the best tandem. But the Cavs rolled. They beat the Heat, but the warriors beating the Rockets. I'm not surprised at that at all. It's just different basketball and there's certain teams. Oklahoma City, they were on a fact finding mission last year. Then all of a sudden you go, okay, what did we learn? Go down through history. A lot of times you have to lose to learn how to win. What does it take? What do we do? What didn't we do? What do they do better than us? And I think that's what you're seeing with OKC Cleveland. Big question mark there. They were great. Best team in the east during the regular season. The general consensus is what the Boston Celtics, and rightfully so. That team is so deep, it feels like everybody can shoot a three. You could probably get the trainer out there and he might be able to be respectable from three point range. Everybody. And then an oh, by the way, Derek White, you know, Olympian. See, that's the dangerous part of this. When Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum aren't great, but they're great, that's when you win championships. Yes.
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Greg Rosenthal
Marvin, have we ever disrespected a team like the Boston Celtics? And I don't mean that like, purposefully, but we didn't talk about them at all all season long. And they were the defending champs with the best starting five in the NBA.
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Unknown Speaker
But it might be a compliment that we've just taken them for granted, that there's certain players and certain teams that they get elevated. And then we go, okay, we told that story. Now let's move on. Because that's really. We're in the storytelling business. What's the story you're telling about the Celtics this year? Man, can if they good Rod Deep Ross. How about Peyton Pritchard? You know, I mean, you just. We run out of ways to describe somebody. And a lot of these teams, you don't look at where they are in the playoff seatings. The same thing with San Antonio. People would get caught up in, oh, man, are you going to be the number one seed and have home court advantage. Spurs didn't care. They were like, we use the regular season to get ready for the postseason. Certain teams are like, we use the regular season to make the postseason. Boston uses the regular seat just like the Patriots. Like, they use the first three or four games of the regular season for their training camp. Like, this is our preseason. And then they use the regular season to get ready for the postseason. And that's, you know, a compliment to them. Alrighty. Seaton's not here today, so I'm guessing, Todd, are you doing the poll question? I do have the odds to win the NBA championship. OKC is your favorite. Then it's the Celtics. And then a distant third, the Cavs, really distant fourth is the Warriors. And then even further down the list is the Lakers. It does feel like it's a two race, two team race. But the Cavaliers, Cavaliers are a lot of fun. And I was watching last night, you might go, who's this guy who's lighting up the Miami Heat. Ty Jerome. Well, Ty Jerome played for Virginia.
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Greg Rosenthal
Excuse me.
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Unknown Speaker
And I remember when he was playing and McLovin and I went back and forth because he goes, this Virginia team isn't good. I said, man, this. They can shoot. They can shoot and he'll tie Jerome, who's that? I said, I don't know who he is, but I know he can shoot. All of a sudden, Ty Jerome pops up and you go, I'll be damned. Took a while, but he had a couple of games this year that got on the radar. And I went, that dude. And they went at Tyler hero last night. It was not nice. It was not nice. That's where you needed parental guidance. Because I'm going, damn. Everybody wanted Tyler hero guardian last night, but Ty Jerome went at him and you know, they did a great job. Great job. Yes. Paulie.
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Dan Patrick
I had to look up Ty Jerome. I couldn't lie to you. He's been on four teams in six years. He's played six seasons and only started 10 games.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Wow.
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Unknown Speaker
But he can shoot. He can. He got some buckets. He had 28 points. And the win. That's the most by any Cavalier in their first NBA playoff game since Kyrie had 30 against the Celtics back in 2015. Stat of the day. Sad of the day. Of the day. Stat of the day.
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Greg Rosenthal
Here comes that.
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Unknown Speaker
What? Stat of the day. Thank you, Will Ferrell. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. And you try not to get caught up in one loss. You know, I like that. John Moran says, you know, we won't play this way next time around against okc. Wow. Stop the presses. You won't play that badly. You're going to play a little better. It's almost one of those where he could say, if they lose by 15. See, I told you we weren't going to play that bad. We're improving here. But that was. There was no pulse, you know, the body. There was no pulse there. It was a corpse. And. But sometimes you'll have these big blowouts and then, you know, these teams flip the switch on you and maybe you have that with. With Memphis. I don't see it. Just because I think OKC knows. Let's be great. We were great. Continue to be great. Don't take anybody for granted. And don't be surprised. The Lakers were surprised. That's what surprises me. Wait a minute, guys. Come on. You know, and you can. It's not like Memphis is. Or Minnesota is. Memphis, Minnesota, they can play for a title. And that's where you just. You can't be goofing around here. Take something for granted. Yes. Marv.
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Greg Rosenthal
Lakers. Hey, this is the team that beat the Denver Nuggets last year in the playoffs. Yeah, they took Jokic out. So why are we surprised that Nas Reed and Julius Randle are being physical with them? Did they not see the scouting report?
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Unknown Speaker
But then JJ Redick says, hey, and LeBron said that, hey, we were kind of surprised at their physicality. There should be no surprises right now. You've played together long enough. You got, you know, Luca playing well, it. And I really think that they have a chance to play, you know, for. In the Western Conference finals. I mean, I really do. But it comes down to defense. But I didn't think physicality was going to be the difference, but it was. All right, poll questions.
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Greg Rosenthal
Don, we're gonna roll with this one from Paulie. I think the Thunder will win the NBA title.
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Unknown Speaker
Sure.
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Greg Rosenthal
Too early.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, y'all sure are too early. Paul.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay. I don't think they're better than the Celtics. I think. I think they're a great team. This is one of those where they don't get a lot of publicity, just like the Cavs didn't get a lot. Like, you know, we. The media steers you where they want to steer you. They guide you. So when you turn on ESPN or Fox, they're going to guide you to where the Lakers are. They going to guide you anyplace else. Maybe the Knicks, maybe they're going to guide you to, well, Memphis, because Jaws in trouble. Where else are they guiding you? Therefore, you really don't have a. Unless you watch these games, you don't have a good opinion, a strong opinion on the team because you're like, oh, okay, see. Oh, I see the highlights. Yeah. All right. Sga and he's really good, but that's all you know. And then you'll see some of these other teams and you'll go, oh, wow, I was watching the Pistons, man, they're pretty good. It's because the media will hold your hand and take you where they want to, because that's where the stories are. And we do a disservice to some of these other teams that play really well. And that's why I'm glad SGA is getting recognized because he has been great. And players will say this, and they've said, this joker's the best player in the game, but they're happy that SGA is going to be the mvp. Like he. He deserves to win the MVP because of what the Team did during the regular season. So that'll give you a sense of the players know. But is anybody talking about the Indiana Pacers? The WNBA team in Indiana gets more, you know, headlines, credit attention than the Pacers do. The Pacers are a really good team, but once again, the media does not guide you there. The only member of the media who does is Pat McAfee because he's in Indianapolis. But there will be some interesting stories that come out. And if you haven't watched Detroit, yes, they did blow the lead. The Knicks, 21 to nothing run. But Cade Cunningham is real. He is a real star.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Paulie, I didn't want to bring this up so early, but I was watching Thunder Grizzlies, and I'm just looking at the, I don't know, all the Grizzlies players and like, oh, Scottie Pippen Junior's on the team and I think he got the start for the Grizzlies. He spells his first name S, C, O, T, T, Y. His father, Scotty Pippen Senior, spells it S, C, O, T, T, I, E. That blew my mind. I always thought if you named your son after you, had the exact same spelling of the name back to you.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, thank you. Paulie.
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Dan Patrick
Break it down.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it's worth breaking into programming. No. Yeah, you can do it. I guess.
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Dan Patrick
That of the day.
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Unknown Speaker
Start of the day.
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Dan Patrick
Start of the day.
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Greg Rosenthal
Start of the day.
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Dan Patrick
This is the start of the day.
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Unknown Speaker
Paulie, would you stay on that story, please?
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Dan Patrick
Glad to.
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Unknown Speaker
D.P. yeah. I, E or Y with Scotty Pippen Jr. III.
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Dan Patrick
Now it's in your head, though.
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Unknown Speaker
Is he Junior? No, it's gone. Is he? Is he Junior?
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Dan Patrick
He is Scotty Pippen Jr. But it's s, C, O T, T Y again.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, his father's ie I, e. Back to you. Yes.
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Dan Patrick
I gotta tell you, I found that kind of interesting as well.
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Greg Rosenthal
Now that Paulie mentioned.
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Dan Patrick
That's not a good sign.
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Unknown Speaker
No, it's not. No. Oh, Fritzi. Fritz, he sent this to me. He goes, hey, Lucas, number is 77. I go, okay. And do you realize 77 days after they traded Luca, the Mavericks were eliminated from the playoffs.
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Greg Rosenthal
Fascinating.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. I go, okay.
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Greg Rosenthal
My thing, numerology.
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Unknown Speaker
I know it is. I know, I know. But did you notice that no one responded to you?
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Greg Rosenthal
I did notice that as well.
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Dan Patrick
I totally ignored. I didn't get a K or a.
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Greg Rosenthal
Thumbs up or smiley face, nothing.
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Unknown Speaker
I was way too busy. For some reason. I don't know what I was doing, but I'm sure I was way too busy to then, you know, very nice. Respond to your 7777. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports.
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Dan Patrick
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Unknown Speaker
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Dan Patrick
On Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app.
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Unknown Speaker
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships.
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Dan Patrick
What'S going on in the world.
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Unknown Speaker
We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on.
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Dan Patrick
Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.
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Unknown Speaker
Show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich.
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Dan Patrick
Wherever you get your podcast.
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Unknown Speaker
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
- [21:44]
Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff.
- [21:46]
Dan Patrick
Teams need to return to the postseason and how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.
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Unknown Speaker
Clock, we'll break it all down once.
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Dan Patrick
All 257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We ready to fight? I'm ready to fight.
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Unknown Speaker
Is that what I thought it was?
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh, this is fighting words.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, I'll put the hammer back.
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Unknown Speaker
Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a Best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to.
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Dan Patrick
Use our voices to fight back.
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Unknown Speaker
And that's what we are doing on Fighting Words. We're not gonna let anyone silence us.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's the reason why they're banning books like yours, George. That's the reason why they're trying to.
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Dan Patrick
Stop the teaching of black history, of.
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Greg Rosenthal
Queer history, any history that challenges the.
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Dan Patrick
Whitewashed norm or put us in a box.
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Unknown Speaker
Black people have never ever depended on the so called mainstream to support us. That's why we are great. We are the greatest culture makers in world history. Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. The Timberwolves beat the Lakers. Minnesota made a franchise playoff record 21 three pointers. So when J.J. redick and LeBron say, hey, you know, we were surprised at the physicality of that. Well, okay, but what about the three pointers that you gave up? 21. Let's talk to Chris Haynes, senior NBA insider and host of the Hanes Briefs show on YouTube. He is covering the Bucks and Pacers and then he's going to go to the Rockets and the Warriors. Worst first round loss so far turned in by who?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I mean, I think you definitely got. I mean, the worst. I think you say the worst by a point differential. You can say the Memphis Grizzlies, you know, the way they lost to Oklahoma City, but I think most people believe that Oklahoma City is going to get out of the first round relatively unscathed. But the team you just talked about right now, the Lakers and the Minnesota Timberwolves, even though that's not, I understand the Lakers have the higher seed, but I think that's a pretty even matchup. And I think when you look at the athleticism, you look at the dog of Anthony Edwards and you just look how they went into LA and took care of business in the threes. Those threes were opened up by driving penetration over helping. Anthony Edwards was being able to get to wherever he wanted to get to on the court. And it was setting up guys and guys found the rhythm and once they found it, they didn't let go of that rhythm. So the Lakers have some issues for sure.
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Unknown Speaker
The Memphis loss, like it was laughable. Like after a while you're just going, I mean, does Memphis have any pride here? And I know we see teams turn it around, get blown out, then they come back and they'll make it competitive, maybe win that game. But OKC seems to have learned something from Last year, Like, it feels like they understand, you know, how to be a playoff team. I don't know. If you have them going to the NBA Finals.
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Greg Rosenthal
Put me on the spot. DP I haven't made a selection. Nobody, Nobody's ever asked me yet for my prediction. I got them in the class.
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Unknown Speaker
Wait, you know, the playoffs have started, though. Chris, you know how this, this works. You can't wait till, you know.
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, well, usually. DP Usually that's how it works. Like, if you don't get asked now, you get to see these games go on. You get to see a trend, and then somebody, they might ask you in the semifinals round, then I'll have a better gauge. I'll look much more smarter and brighter then.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, give me your. Give me your two favorites to win the title.
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Greg Rosenthal
Favorites.
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Unknown Speaker
Two favorites.
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Greg Rosenthal
Two favorites. Two favorites. I would say OKC come out the west and Boston to come out the East.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, then give me your other two. Following them.
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Greg Rosenthal
The other two. I would have to go with God's tough. I, you know, I want to say Denver. I want to, but there's been so much. The team is different, changing of a coach. I think that series with the Clippers is going to go seven games. I don't know who's coming out. I want to say Denver. DP don't hold me to that. Please don't hold me to that. I want to say Denver. But in the East, I understand Cleveland had the best record over there for the most part. Oh, boy. They're about a few other teams that I can see making noise in the East. I think if New York gets on the run, they can do some things. I think if Damian Lillard gets back, I think the Bucks and Giannis can do some things. It's tougher in the east for me. DP I. I will say. I will say between New York and.
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Unknown Speaker
Milwaukee, a team not in the playoffs, the Atlanta Hawks, the Trey Young situation, you know, you look at his numbers and you go, God, those are great numbers. But I don't know what kind of player he is. I mean, I can watch him play and. But it just seems like he's going to put up really good numbers for a team that nobody really cares about. And I wonder, does he need to be on another team to show how good he can really be, how clutch he can be playing in big moments? And I. And I don't know, like Dame, Lillard, and maybe it's not a fair comparison, but we'd look at Dame and go, God, he's playing Great and meaningless games for the most part. And then all of a sudden he gets traded and it's at the latter part of his career. I don't know if the Hawks are at that point where they go, you know, maybe we're better off without Trey Young. What do you think?
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Greg Rosenthal
So I had Trey on my show, the Hangs brief show on YouTube. Everybody check it out. I had him on my show last week and I asked him about that dp, just about where he's at with the organization within his, his career. And he said he's in a good spot. He said he, he knew that there was going to be speculation once the Hawks went to a younger core, had the number one pick. He knew there was going to be speculation about his future. But he said he, he bought in. He took the, you know, Zach number one pick. He brought him to his hometown of Oklahoma to show him around and spend some time with him right after Zach was drafted, just to get him engaged. And so he's somebody who again, just, just told to me about a week and a week and a half ago that he's down with the process. He wants to see this Atlanta Hawks squad turn the corner and he wants to be a pivotal partner. And, and then dp, he changed his game this past season. Like he was more, I think we know that Trey's a great facilitator, but he modified his game. Like it wasn't just shoot first trade. You know, this was a guy who was getting guys involved. And so that, that speaks to his maturity and that speaks to, you know, him trying to empower his teammates. But with that being said, there definitely are teams out there who are monitoring his situation and, and trying to see if there's going to become a point this all season where that he can be had and where he can't be moved because he's definitely a guy who want, like Trey is one of the most competitive guys in this league. When he went to that conference finals a few years ago, played against the, you know, he, he wanted, he wanted to continue on. He wanted the organization to do things, to make moves, to keep the team on a trajectory. Now they took a little back step, you know, in recent years. He wants to get back to that point, but as of now, DP I can say I haven't heard anything on Trey side that will lead me to believe that he wants out right now.
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Unknown Speaker
Will Giannis finish his career in Milwaukee?
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Greg Rosenthal
I don't think so. I don't think so. I, I, I just, you know, this is going to Be a Pivotal playoff this 20, these 20, 25 playoffs for the Milwaukee Bucks. It's going to be pivotal, you know, Will, if they don't get to the Finals, win the Finals or even make a deep run, you can probably see some wholesale changes going on in Milwaukee from, you know, you can go from coaching staff from front office to the players. Like, it can be a pretty big significant wholes. Milwaukee Bucks don't make a significant run this postseason.
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Unknown Speaker
Could you see them trading Giannis?
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Greg Rosenthal
I could see them going in a different direction. And yeah, I can. I can see that possibility if things go sour this postseason, for sure.
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Unknown Speaker
He's Chris Haynes, senior NBA insider, host of the Haynes Briefs show on YouTube. He's covering Bucks Pacers for Game 2 and then heading to the Rockets and the Warriors. You know, the warriors winning the game against Houston. And then we see that playoff experience that they have. And Golden State, to me, is a fascinating situation because can you do this? Can you win four games? Can that group, you know, because that's what it takes. Every one of these series. You. You can say, are you able to win four? And I think they, I think they could go to the Western Conference finals. And I don't know if anybody would be surprised, but would you be more surprised if the warriors went to the Western Conference Finals or the Lakers did?
- [31:24]
Greg Rosenthal
I will be more surprised if the Lakers went to the Western Conference finals because the Golden State wars, they still have their nucleus in place and they've upgraded. And Jimmy Butler, somebody who fits seamlessly in what they're trying to do on the offensive end and defensive end. The Lakers, we knew there was going to be some growing pains. You're talking about two hall of Fame basketball players, but they have very similar ways of playing the game, and they both require the ball. And it's worked better than what I thought. When I'm talking about LeBron James and Luka Donkeys, but we talking about going to State, man, they're just plugging in. You know, Jimmy Butler was somebody who could fit in. You saw what he, what he did. Clutch baskets after clutch baskets, making plays. And he's somebody that doesn't have to take a lot of shots to be efficient. And so I, I think if I, you know, I'm talking about the Lakers and Warriors. I think the warriors will have a easier path to get to the, get to the Finals than the Lakers.
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Unknown Speaker
Best tandem in basketball right now is.
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Greg Rosenthal
Who are we talking about tandems in the playoffs or overall?
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Unknown Speaker
Let's do playoffs.
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Greg Rosenthal
Dp, you know what dp you're really good at what you do because, you know, this is. This is why. This is why you get a lot out of Charles Barkley. You know, you know how to answer. You know how to ask the right questions. You never know what you're going to ask, and it requires an answer.
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Unknown Speaker
So let me say now, you were stalling with the compliment. I see right through you, Chris. Okay? I know how this works here.
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Greg Rosenthal
That's why you dp.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you think there's a better tandem not in the playoffs than in the playoffs?
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Greg Rosenthal
No, I. I can't say that. Okay. And I would get ridiculed for even saying there's a better tandem that's not in the playoffs, because if they were, they would be at the playoffs.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, you were stalling once again by saying regular season playoffs.
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Greg Rosenthal
Okay, let's let. Allow me to go. I don't want to disrespect the champions. Allow me to go. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. Okay, Is that safe? Is that a safe Astro, dp.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, but I don't want safe. Do you really feel that right now the best tandem in basketball is Tatum and Brown over Jimmy, Steph, Luka, LeBron.
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Greg Rosenthal
The best talent in basketball, pound for pound, is.
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Unknown Speaker
No, we're not doing pound for pound. We're just best tandem. Will you stop? You're better than this.
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Greg Rosenthal
DP. LeBron. Luca.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, there, see, that's not that hard.
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Greg Rosenthal
It actually was.
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Unknown Speaker
But which team did the best job of tanking for Cooper Flag?
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Greg Rosenthal
You know what it was. It was a lot of teams that had a really good job. You know, I'm going to go with the Utah Jazz. They let it be known pretty early on. They put out a. They put out a release and just basically said, these seven guys aren't playing for the rest of the season. You know, it was these. These minor injuries.
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Unknown Speaker
The NBA awards season. You have to play at least 65 games. I was wondering, Jaren Jackson Jr. I thought, was going to win the Defensive Player of the Year. He's not one of the finalists here.
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Greg Rosenthal
How many games did he play?
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Unknown Speaker
It's. He played 74, but he's not one. So. Yeah, it wasn't even one of those where. Because he gets that super max deal if he wins Defensive Player of the year again stuff. And I thought with Victor Wembanyama out, then he was the favorite. He's not even one of the. I got Dyson, Daniels, Draymond. Oh, come on.
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Greg Rosenthal
Evan Mobley.
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Unknown Speaker
What, do we put Draymond in there?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, hey, dp. Draymond's. Had a phenomenal season. I know, but, you know, Dyson Daniels leads the league and steals Evan Mobley. I. I would have, you know, I. I felt like all along Evan Mobley might have been the front runner to win that award. What he's done with.
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Unknown Speaker
I think he's going to win it.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, I. I do think. I think so as well. I think he's the favorite. But Jaren Jackson, you know, it was a tough. This was a tough one this year. And. And dp, I'm telling you, I don't have a vote this season, which I'm glad, because DP around this time, you know, players that have those clauses in their contract, they start to call me around the last two weeks of the season. Hey, you know my situation. Who you voting for? And it just puts me in a tough spot. I'm not going to name names, but I've had multiple players call me constantly over the past, you know, the lab, about the last two weeks of the season just to get a gauge, and I'm like, damn, man, that's. That's tough spot to be in.
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Unknown Speaker
Anybody try to buy your vote, like saying, hey, Chris, man, I got these new Jordans and what size do you wear?
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Dan Patrick
And.
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Unknown Speaker
Or, hey, you know, why don't you go out. Go out to dinner, you know, maybe. Maybe go to Cabo. I'll make sure you take care of it.
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Greg Rosenthal
No, no, they. They haven't said that. They haven't tried to buy it, but what they did do. They. They do. They do try to propose an appearance. You know what? Hey, you know, they. The way they say it, like, hey, you know what? You have a nice show, I could think about coming on if.
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Unknown Speaker
Great to talk to you, D.P.
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Greg Rosenthal
Anytime, man. You take care, brother.
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Unknown Speaker
Best tandem in the NBA is who? All right, Just want to make sure. Thank you, Chris.
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Dan Patrick
Be sure to catch the live edition.
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Unknown Speaker
Of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.
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Dan Patrick
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Greg Rosenthal
This draft report segment is presented by Miller Lite. All right, Fritzi, the draft is coming up in just a couple of weeks.
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Unknown Speaker
Let's go, man.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm super excited we're gonna be there. We sure are. I cannot wait to be in Green Bay. All right, so obviously we've talked a lot about the quarterbacks in the edge rushers, but we forgot about the other skill position players, your running backs, your tight ends, your wide receivers. Now I'm going to start with obviously, the unicorn, Travis Hunter, maybe. Maybe he plays Both sides of the ball. But I'm just looking at him. But I'm just looking at him. As far as a wide receiver, where do you see him making the biggest impact going into the pros? I see that as well. I think he'd be make more of an impact as a wide receiver. I'm very curious. With whatever team picks him, I gotta believe they're gonna at least early on try him out in both spots. I know you increase the risk of injury and all that, but as you.
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Unknown Speaker
Said, being a unicorn, how do you.
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Greg Rosenthal
Have someone that has that kind of special talent and not let him try both sides of the ball? I definitely think he's more of a wide receiver as far as for the NFL. I think he obviously could be great in the secondary, but I'm excited to see and I hope whoever picks him will let him play both offense and defense. And another guy, we talked about him a lot during the college football season. Tyler Warren, the tight end.
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Dan Patrick
Ooh, good call.
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Greg Rosenthal
I love him. I think he's going to make a Brock Bowers like impact going into whatever team he goes to. I like that analogy a lot. He's a football player in every sense of the word. You want him to run the ball, you want him to catch the ball. Look, he'll even throw the ball. So I love him going into the pros. I wish Denver would get him. Whoever gets that guy is going to have a stud and I think he's going to make an immediate impact. Oh absolutely. And then there's Genti, Boise State. How can we not talk about him? And are you convinced that right out of the get go he's going to be able to live up to expectations and become one of the all time great running backs? Is there too much hype? Is that going to hurt him that the expectations are kind of through the roof? The only reason why I'm really not worried about Genty is because running backs, that's the one position where you can make an impact on a team right away and become an all probability as a rookie. In the pros, Miller Lite is the perfect pick for draft season. It's the taste you can depend on. A great beer Trusted by beer lovers for 50 years. Pick up some Miller Lite pretty much.
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Dan Patrick
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Greg Rosenthal
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Dan Patrick
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rose Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
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Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff.
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Dan Patrick
Teams need to return to the postseason and how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the.
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Unknown Speaker
Clock, we'll break it all down once.
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Dan Patrick
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Greg Rosenthal
J. Edgar Hoover was furious somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The Fish.
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Unknown Speaker
The FBI went around to all their.
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Dan Patrick
Neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans? It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century and the God damnedest love story you've ever heard.
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Unknown Speaker
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Thought was, this is the most important.
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Greg Rosenthal
Phone call I'll ever make in my life.
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Unknown Speaker
I couldn't believe it.
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Dan Patrick
I mean.
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Unknown Speaker
Brendan it was divine intervention.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Unknown Speaker
Taking part in his 42nd NFL Draft, Mel Kuiper, Draft expert He'll be at the SPN desk for every pick of the NFL Draft starting Thursday. But before the draft, listen to the final episodes of the first Draft podcast with Mel Field Yates and Mike Greenberg, available wherever you get your podcast. Mel joining us on the program. Why do so many opinions seem to shift based on stuff that's not from actual games that these players play?
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Dan Patrick
It's college to pro. Dan that's what makes it so, so difficult. You're seeing guys play in college against players who will not be in the National Football League. So you're not getting apples to apples. And some games you want to watch an offensive tackle, but the defensive end is going on the right side or left side opposite, opposite, where the player you want the one on one to be. So you get little snippets, okay, snapshots here and there of a player against another great player. That's why Senior bowl practices are so important, because you're getting good on good. You don't get that in college on a regular basis. So a lot of times the stats can be skewed one way. He can have great numbers against I call them AOGs. Dan and other occupation guys. That's what they are, you know, they're AOGs. That's what you go up against in college. I can win that phrase years ago. That's what it is because that's college football. That's the same thing. When you talk about high school, it's tough to go from one level to the next and be accurate with your evaluation. So when you end the day, it's over evaluation too, because you're talking about so much time between the end of the season till late April that you do kind of overthink it and you do factor in things that maybe shouldn't be as heavily weighed because it's so much time and it is level to a different level. And you have to look at everything possible to try to make a good a good evaluation. Certainly. Dan A lot of scouts believe and general managers later in the draft take the talented kids. Bill Napoleon, hall of Famer, always thought he know take the talented guys later in the draft. The Guys are, call them underachievers, Dan, but they have a big time skill set and for one reason or another, they got dinged in the process a bit. Take those kind of guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh round or bring them in as undrafted free agents.
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Unknown Speaker
How do you grade Travis Hunter considering there's two positions?
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Dan Patrick
He's a hard. It's a hard decision on wide receiver and corner when you have other players that are fully invested in that one spot. So you say, okay, Travis didn't play just wide receiver. He didn't play just corner. He was out there every play, every snap. That, to me, prevents him from being as good at one or the other that he could be. So even with that said, Dan, he's my number one wide receiver. He's my number one corner, and it's amazing, if he would just focus on one position, how great he could be. So to me, Travis is as unique as any player in the history of the draft because he is going to play both ways right away. Deion said it perfectly. You're not going to have a drive at the end of the first half or a drive in the fourth quarter or two drives in the fourth quarter settling that game, that outcome and have Travis Hunter standing on the sidelines when our cornerbacks are getting beaten, the quarterbacks driving his team right down the field. Against my defense, you can't have that. So. So Theon is perfectly correct. He's 1,000% correct on that. This kid's got to play both ways.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you love or love? Love Shador Sanders.
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Dan Patrick
Like really love Shador Sanders. I tried to be loyal to what, like I said, August and what I thought throughout their careers. And I understand if you want Dan, somebody who looks the part. I call them LTP ers. That's what they are. They're ltp. There's a couple other guys at that position that are more physically gifted. Okay. When I talk about arm strength, when I talk about just imposing size, the rocket arm, the 4, 6 speed, there are other quarterbacks that have that. Dan, if you want that, take those guys. If you want a kid who can just surgically take a team down the field, pick you apart, see things, recognize things, diagnose, make decisions that are sound. Also get the ball to accurate points and precise points to a receiver and hang in tough in that pocket. Take hits and keep getting up. Don't point fingers, don't assign blame, win football games. He didn't have a running game for two years at Colorado. Dan, his leading rusher. I've said it for the last month, his leading rusher the last two years, the two top running backs in this draft, Jinty and Hampton, would have had more yards in a game and a half than they had the whole year. Think about that. And the offensive line. Then you saw that offensive line. That was a bad group in 2023, a little bit better in 24. But bottom line is he had no chance. And a lot of, a lot of those snaps, he had no shot. So I give him a lot of credit, Dan. But if he's not the guy that you want physically and you can't reconcile taking a guy that high, I get it. But does that not mean that, hey, in the mid, late first round, he can't be a heck of a pick and all this notion too, Dan. Well, if you love him or you like him, whatever. If you just like them, you can't take them. Well, I'll give you an example. In 1984, Dan, my first year at ESPN, I had Boomer Esiason, the third highest rated player on my board. Right now, Shador is at five, by the way. Okay, so say Shador goes in the late first, he goes in the second. What an idiot. Kuiper is right? Yeah. Well, guess what? Boomer was three. Bengals had three picks in the first round. Then I'm sitting there, first year at espn, you know what's going through my head? I'm one and done. I'm sitting there with, I'm sitting there with Chris Berman, Boomer and Bob Lee. I'm thinking there, I'm not going to be back for the 1985 trap. My third highest rated players there. And the Bengals passed them three times, Dan. And two of those three were bust. They took him in the second round. Now, according to that philosophy, if you didn't like him enough to take him with your first three picks in there, why are you taking him in the second round? He's going to be your quarterback. He's going to be the guy whether the first, second rounder, he's your guy moving forward. You didn't even like him enough to take ahead of Ricky Hunley, Pete Koch and Brian Blados. Okay, so again, I don't buy into any of that nonsense. Brett Favre was like highly rated player, went in the second round, right? Look what happened with him. Aaron Rodgers was supposed to go number one three weeks before the draft and slid to 24. The six of the eight sliding picks on terms of my rankings over the last, you know, since 1970, Dan went all the way back to 1970 six of the eight hit. Six of the eight sliding quarterbacks hit. So maybe Shador will be one of the six that does really well.
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Unknown Speaker
We're talking to Mel Kuiper, draft expert, 42nd NFL Draft, and you can see ESPN with every pick there. That'll be Thursday through Saturday. It'll be Mel and Field Yates, Mike Greenberg, the first draft podcast as well with Mel Kuiper. Help me understand this, that I know we get it, we fall in love with quarterbacks, but if I say to a team, that guy right there that you're going to take, it's not a quarterback, but he's going to be a future hall of Famer. But instead you'll roll the dice on Cam Ward. And Cam can be, maybe he's a Hall of Famer, but if you said Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, you know, there's a couple of guys in here that you go, chances are they could be the safest pick and be a future hall of Famer, but we're going to roll the dice on Cam Ward. Explain the logic there at the top of the draft.
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Dan Patrick
It's armed talent, Dan. It's the traits. It's that skill set that Brian Callahan. I listened to an interview with Brian Callahan and he said, I want a quarterback to. And everybody in the stadium knows we're throwing a ball, can throw the ball and deliver a pass and complete it. I want a guy that's wired right. I want a guy that certainly, you know, can be not just good. Because he said. He said just good. Just good's not good enough, Dan. It's been told to us. Listen to what they're saying. I don't want to go. That's just good. They want Joe Burrow. They want Jaden down. He mentioned Joe Burrow and Jaden Daniels in an interview. That's what he's shooting for. He's not shooting. I said this for the last couple of years, Dan. The singles and double days for quarterbacks are over. This is. And even. Maybe even a triple. You want a grand slam or a home run or you don't want that guy, Dan. So what they're doing now is they're just keeping taking shots. They're taking shots. If my guy's not a triple, triple, double or triple, home run or grand slam, he's just a double or single, just good. Then I got to get better. I got to get better. And the one phrase that came out of everybody's mouth this last couple years is, I want a quarterback, my quarterback to play at a consistently High level. Well, you're looking at great then, right?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Consistently high level. Who does that? Dan Patrick does it every day because he's a Hall of Famer. Bottom line is, does these quarterbacks do it every day? Consistently high level, Dan. And that's where again, you look at what we're doing here. If we got a quarterback and we think he could be good, but we got to get better. This kid has the arm talent. Shador Sanders doesn't have the rocket arm, doesn't have the 4, 6 speed and isn't 63230. Cam Ward has the rocket arm, has maneuverability and creativity. The GM was with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has a lot of creativity and a live arm. They all see a little bit elements of the quarterback they were with with the quarterback they're going to select. And I think they see some elements there of what Mahomes does to the way Cam Ward does. Shador doesn't do it that way. That's why Cam Ward.
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Unknown Speaker
But are you sure, like, are you sure that Cam Ward is going to be more successful or as successful as Travis Hunter?
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Dan Patrick
No, no, I don't think anybody can be sure.
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Unknown Speaker
So why not take that guy? That's a generational talent there. This is what I don't understand.
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Dan Patrick
Well, you can't. You have to have. It's the most important position in all sports is quarterback in the NFL, okay? So you got to keep taking chances. I always say, if you don't have that quarterback, Dan, you're spinning your wheels. They got Joe Burrow in Cincinnati, didn't make the playoffs. Okay, so you are. You can have all these pieces. That's what they said. And I was a big Trent Dilfer supporter. Trent Dilfer won a Super bowl, ironically here in Baltimore, right? My hometown, born and raised in Baltimore. I write how it all came full circle for me, Dan. But people said, well, you needed everything around. They let Trent til for go. They cut him loose the next year for Elvis Gerbach. They wanted to get better. Okay. They felt like, okay, we need everything around Trent. But he galvanized that team. He was the true leader. He was the difference maker. That team. They were going nowhere till Trent took over that year. Okay? And he let him to all those wins. But it wasn't good enough even then. Think about that was a long time ago. It wasn't even good enough then they had a Super bowl winning quarterback that kicked them to the curb to try to get better. This has been going, this thought process, Dan has been going On a long time that good isn't good enough at the quarterback position in the NFL.
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Unknown Speaker
I need you to. You got to pace yourself because you got to get ready for Thursday here, Mel. I mean, you're, you're in first round mode right now.
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Dan Patrick
I don't know about that, Dan. The voice always goes by, you're right. By Thursday, I get all fired up this week and he start yelling and screaming. And by Thursday, Friday and Saturday, you got nothing left. So I'm with you. I pay. But hey, Dan, I could listen to you say pace it. I've been listening to you say pace it for about hell many years, Dan. We've been together and do I ever. Dan, listen to Dan Patrick.
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Unknown Speaker
No, I know, I know. I think it's interesting though that your, your, your mock draft is saying this, this is your potential. This is how you grade them, not what the philosophy is of the teams. Is that correct?
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Dan Patrick
Well, philosophy on positions. Like I say, don't take a running back in the first, but I'm not going to grade a kid like Ashton Genti or Amari and Hampton from North Carolina and put him as my 65th player because I don't agree with taking a running back in the first. You grade them based on their ability and, and that's why all those running backs were rated high. I have a philosophy that people said was idiotic, Dan. And now they're all agreeing with it. They all agree with it. Now notice that how that's come full circle too. They all said I was a nut. Now they say, oh, you know, you shouldn't really draft a running back in the first round unless you're one of those great teams that just is missing the running back or that team won the cusp that's just missing a running back. Tell me a team Dan in the top 10 right now doesn't think they're going to be a pretty good team this coming year. Tell me a team this six are going to be picking first next year. Tell me a team going into next year's this coming season that thinks, oh, we're going to be the worst team in the league next year. Tell me a coach in that building or player in that building that were a GM or an owner that believes that. Okay, so to me, look at Tennessee. They were within a whisker last year beating Chicago opening week of being the jets. The second week they ended up beating Houston. They had a lot of games where just a mistake here or block that wasn't made or a drop pass, whatever it may, or Penalty or whatever or an interception, turnover. So again, this is a fine line, Dan. Washington went from being a team that was nothing to being because they had to hit with Jaden Daniels. And that tells you what we talk about a quarterback. They hit with Jaden Daniels and now look where they are. Now look at the future of the Washington commanders, right? I give Cincinnati, hey, you get a mulligan with Joe Burrow. You're not getting two years with Joe Burrow where you don't make the playoffs. You got an MVP quarterback, you better get in the playoffs. I, I'll give you one year. I'm not going to give you two. So once you get that guy, you better win consistently.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you regret not being a GM in the NFL?
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Dan Patrick
Not at all, Dan.
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Unknown Speaker
No.
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Dan Patrick
I had that chance to get into the league when a great best friend I ever had in the NFL were you think about Ernie? Of course, the general manager who was going to bring me in at age 23 before I came to ESPN. Danny offered me the position to come work for him, just do whatever. Not as an assistant GM like some have, you know, erroneously said it was just to be his assistant as a young kid coming in. If I need Kuiper to go wherever, I'll send them if I need him to find out something. And I said, great. I said, what do you want me to do? He said, just keep going through the 83 draft. We'll announce you in July. I had the NFL security come down and interview and go through all the process to be accepted in and all that. So I was going to, it was all going to happen in July. Ernie had drafted John Elway without his knowledge. John Elway was traded to Denver. There was talk about the Colts leaving town. Ernie would obviously be leaving as well. He wasn't going to bring me in as his guy, knowing the future is so uncertain for him with this organization. He called me in June, Dan, and he said, no, I can't bring you in. I said, I said, okay, what do you want me to do? He said, hey, nobody knows that I was going to do this. It hasn't been announced to anybody. You got a great business going. Keep doing what you're doing. Everybody craves that type of information. Keep doing what you're doing. I did and guess what? Five months later I got a call from ESPN to come up an interview for the job. Got that started in 1984. So without Ernie caring about a 23 year old kid and he would have just brought me in, I'd have been with the Colts Hit a left. I'd have been gone at some point. ESPN would have had another draft analyst. I don't know what the heck I'd have been doing right now, Dan.
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Unknown Speaker
But that leads me to what happened with Brent Musburger. I campaigned for him. I reached out to the Pro Football hall of Fame, the Pete Roselle Award. I'd like to do the same with you. I think you should be in the Pro Football hall of Fame.
- [56:41]
Dan Patrick
I appreciate that, Dan, but I don't. I. I don't. I really. I never. I just believe there's so many people that just. You get. You're fortunate. You get a little luck on your side. You're around great people. I was, Dan. I worked with you all those years.
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Unknown Speaker
You changed. You changed an industry. You. What you have meant to the NFL. Can it. It's. It's a different version of John Fasenda. Like, he was the voice and you were. You were the draft guy. Like, look at what it. It's a cottage industry that you created. That is contributions to the game. I know you're modest. I don't care. I'm going forward with it. You. You deserve to be in the Pro Football hall of Fame. You do.
- [57:23]
Dan Patrick
Dan, your great friend Andy Poland's been saying the same thing. I tell Andy the same thing. You know, Andy. And he said he's gonna. I said, you know, to me, you get into this and you see so many people that were responsible at ESPN for what's happened. So you say, I did this. ESPN really did it, Dan, because they televised this thing when the NFL didn't want it to be televised. Think about that.
- [57:41]
Greg Rosenthal
That.
- [57:42]
Dan Patrick
Think about all the great producers that were. From Bill Fitz, who offered me that position in 84 all the way up, John Wild hack. You think about what he did. Freddie Godelli. Freddie Godelli was able to coach me along and teach me so many things about this business. Jay Rothman, Brian Rider, now Robert Damsky, all the great producers.
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Unknown Speaker
Wait, you're giving your hall of Fame speech?
- [58:01]
Dan Patrick
Wade Markman is believing in me all these years.
- [58:03]
Unknown Speaker
Seth was.
- [58:04]
Dan Patrick
Been a great friend. So all the ESPN guys, Dan, they were responsible. All the people that cut those highlight packs, did all that work behind. They were responsible for the draft success. Keep in mind, Dan, ESPN televised draft before I got here. Okay, so the draft was on ESPN because before I became a part of the telecast.
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Unknown Speaker
So you guys changed it. You changed.
- [58:22]
Dan Patrick
Well, I appreciate that, but for John, for sending what you just said, the voice, that voice, Dan, pulled people into the NFL.
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Unknown Speaker
You're the hair. He's the voice.
- [58:31]
Dan Patrick
Mell. Great friend. You'll make great friends. George, right? Late great. George Young, Calvert Hall's own George Young, famous, famous graduate of Calvert hall history. Great friend of mine used to write me handwritten notes after he got the book on suggestions and just thoughts. He'd call me during the draft even, and give me. Get me. Tell him his opinion of what went on. George Young always said one, couple things. He said, first of all, when you draft a player is just as important as who you select. So value is important. He said to me, years of when I. Basically, when I started espn, you got. You got to get a voice coach, Mel. You got to get that Baltimore. You got to get that Baltimore accent out of that. You got to lose that Baltimore accent, George. I said, george, I'm not going to get any changes. Whatever I am. I am. And it's not. It doesn't resonate. And his voice isn't getting done. I'm not. I can't change my voice. George, you got to get that Baltimore accent and lose it. You know, you're never going to have any chance. So it was funny. All the conversations I look back with George and like Ernie, of course, in my great friend Jackson Faulkner with the Rams was phenomenal back in the day. Yeah. I mean, all the way. All the way through my career between Jack, Ernie, George, save it for your.
- [59:39]
Unknown Speaker
Hall of Fame speech. Save it for your.
- [59:40]
Dan Patrick
No, no, no, Dan. No, no. I would say that. Give that up. You know, I got a lot of people in the league that hate me. You know, I got a lot. A lot of people hate me and have hated me for a long time. I do not think anything NFL related to the hall of Fame, whatever. That will never, ever work hand in hand, man.
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Unknown Speaker
No, I'd say pace yourself, but you're not capable. And good to talk to you as always. We'll see you in a Green day. Thank you, Mel.
- [60:06]
Dan Patrick
Appreciate it, pal. Take care, buddy.
- [60:08]
Unknown Speaker
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Dan Patrick
The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.
- [61:51]
Greg Rosenthal
We've told you what last year's playoff.
- [61:53]
Dan Patrick
Teams need to return to the postseason and how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock.
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Unknown Speaker
We'll break it all down once all.
- [62:04]
Dan Patrick
257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lod and this is season.
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Unknown Speaker
Two of the War on Drugs podcast.
- [62:21]
Dan Patrick
Last year a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year a lot of the biggest.
- [62:24]
Greg Rosenthal
Names in music and sports this kind of star studded a little bit, man.
- [62:29]
Dan Patrick
We met them at their homes, we met them at the recording studios. Stories matter and it brings a face to it.
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Greg Rosenthal
It makes it real.
- [62:36]
Dan Patrick
It really does.
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Unknown Speaker
It makes it real.
- [62:38]
Greg Rosenthal
Listen the new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war.
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Unknown Speaker
J. Edgar Hoover was furious.
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He was out of his mind and.
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He wanted to bring the Catholic left.
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Greg Rosenthal
To its knees.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.