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Milo
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Justin Penick
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Justin Penick
Podcasts what's up everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did.
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Minnie Driver
What if you asked two different people the same set of questions? Even if the questions are the same, our experiences can lead us to drastically different answers.
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Justin Penick
I'm Minnie Driver and I set out.
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Bobby Bones
To explore this idea in my podcast.
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Minnie Driver
And now Mini Questions is returning for another season. We've asked an entirely new set of.
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Justin Penick
Guests our seven questions, including Jane Lynch, Delaney Rowe and Cord Jefferson.
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Minnie Driver
Listen to Mini questions on the iHeartRadio.
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Justin Penick
App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Seven questions, limitless answers. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We did it. We made it. Everybody's here. Ready to go. The great city of New Orleans. Dan and the Danettes. Dan Patrick show. The minister of humor in rare form last night at dinner. Fritzi, we got Marv here. We got Seaton, Paulie, yours truly, and the br. Geez. Great guest list all week long. Glad to have you on board as we do every Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program in this first hour, brought to you by tirerack.com the official tire expert of the DP Show. Go to tirerack.com Dan the tire decision guide. Full lineup of Yokohama tires. Special offers, free road hazard protection, mobile tire installation. Tire rack.com the way tire buying should be. 877-3DP show operator Tyler sitting by to take your phone calls. We'll play fill in the blank. We'll give you our best and worst of the weekend. All of that forthcoming. But when was the last time you were truly shocked? Sports shocked. This is one of those. It was midnight eastern and getting messages on my phone that was like, omg, question mark, exclamation point. What the f. Question mark, exclamation point. And I don't know what's happened. So all of a sudden you go, I gotta. I gotta contact somebody. So I sent a message to my wife. I said, is everything okay? And she said, yeah. Did you hear about the Luca Don chick? Is that how you pronounce his name? I go, you know it before I know it. And she said, yes. Everybody on the Internet is talking about this. Is that how you pronounce his name? I said, yes, it is. Luka Doncic traded to the Lakers. And you start to think about all the insiders. People get paid millions and millions of dollars to be the insider. Give us a heads up there. And then all of a sudden, nobody was an insider. Nobody had any information on this. Even the players involved in the deal had no idea that this was going on. Now, I understand the mav side of this with Luca, that you're not going to tell him. If you're getting ready to part ways with him, you're not going to say anything to him. The Lakers with LeBron. LeBron friends with AD brought AD in from New Orleans. They won a title together. They're buds. Then there was a report they're at odds with one another. Maybe LeBron doesn't like that. AD is not always available. AD last year played in 76 games. Now, he was injured or is injured, abdominal strain or something, but the fact that you get a guy who does have good numbers when he's played, but you're going to get Luka Doncic in his prime, and that's where you go, why? First question. And I still say that why? Brian Winhorse to the mothership will join us coming up top of next hour. But the. The Mavericks went to the NBA Finals last year. It's not like they flamed out the first round. It's not where you go, man, they got to make some big decisions here. They got to make some changes here. They went to the NBA Finals last year, and you get rid of Luka, who's 25, and you get Anthony Davis in return. Because you say defense wins championships. And then you were talking about your culture, the Mavs culture, that these players, they got fit in better than Luka. And it goes back to why. What do the Mabs know that we don't know yet? And was it just Luca was not in shape. You don't want to give him a max deal where he's going to be making over $70 million a year. But, you know, it's one of those when you watch him play and you go, gosh, if he ever gets in shape, you know, he'll average 40 a game. I mean, he's still good, averaging 30 a game. And I, you know, you look at his weight, that's a big deal. I mean, just like Zion Williamson, that. That has become a big issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Zion is moved at some point in his career. But here's Luca, arguably one of the top five players, certainly one of the top 10 players, and you get him at 25, Anthony Davis, you're not going to build around him. And it's weird that it feels like Sacramento got more for De'Aaron Fox than the Mavericks got for, you know, the trade with Luka Doncic, Darren Fox going to San Antonio, which I think is great. Love it. Thought it was wonderful. But as far as the Lakers, it was one of those where. And you start to look at sports surprises. You know, when Kobe passed away, we didn't want to believe it. It's like, no, no, you know, it's a tragedy. And you're like, no, that, that couldn't possibly have happened. And then all of a sudden you realize that it did happen. I was doing SportsCenter when Magic announced that he had HIV and then he was going to have to retire. Like that is sports shocked. This a trade. And if you're looking at things that probably would shock you, I'll go back to when Lu Alcindor was traded from the Bucks to the Lakers. And I remember, guys, you just traded the best player in the game and you got Junior Bridgman and you got Dave Myers and I think Elmore Smith was involved. You know, it wasn't a great list of players. Even when Wilt Chamberlain was traded, you know, you don't get as much as you think in return. Oscar Robertson traded to the Bucks, you got two marginal players out of that. But I would have thought draft picks. I would have thought you could have gotten a whole lot more from a lot of other people. And it's like you didn't let everybody know. It's almost like you're single and then all of a sudden you're going to marry the first guy that you meet. Like, I gotta. I gotta spread this. Maybe there's other options out there. That was what was surprising. And they kept it quiet, which I thought was fascinating in today's world where everybody, certainly in Hollywood, somebody's telling somebody something, but they kept it quiet. And now you have the Dallas Mavericks with Anthony Davis as they move forward. And I boy, I hope they play great defense. Somebody better tell Kyrie Irving he's got to play defense because defense wins championships. But Luca, look, I don't like Luca going to the Lakers because you got two ball dominant guys. You know, LeBron wants to have the ball and so does Luca. Okay. Don't like it. I mean, I love it from the standpoint of you got to watch it, but I don't know if it's one of those where you go, all right, I see what they're doing now. This is long term. This is a long play. You know, he's 25. But as far as LeBron, is LeBron going to stay longer now? Does he want to get traded? And I think those are questions that we'll ask. You know, Wendy, when he joins us next hour. Yes, Marvin, but LeBron's won championships with ball dominant guys before, like Dwyane Wade and Kyrie Irving. So if it worked there, it might work here. Just one last shot. So LeBron was good at playing a lot of.
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Bobby Bones
Your turn.
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Justin Penick
My turn with D. Wade and Kyrie. So maybe this might be the plan for the Lakers. Well, I mean, Luke is going to want the ball now. Luke is going to want to be out, you know, for vengeance here. I'm going to show everybody, you know, you see, that's what happens. You get trade. Like, he was shocked. He was like, well, I didn't know anything about this. Jason Kidd didn't know. Nobody knew anything about this. Yeah, it does seem like LeBron is.
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Bobby Bones
A guy who doesn't mind not having it all on his shoulders.
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Justin Penick
Right. And so while he wants the ball.
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Bobby Bones
Maybe he wants it a little less these days. Like, yeah, man, this is your. Like, like Marvin said, now this is your turn. And then I'll.
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Justin Penick
I'll get the next one. And I worry about Bronnie, too, just to make sure that he's going to get his touches as well as most people are.
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Milo
Yes, Paul, I have this policy for the past 20 or 30 years. If the Lakers are calling me or talking to me about a trade, don't. Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant, when they. During the draft, Shaquille O'Neal in his prime. Lu Alcindor. I was looking. Lou Alcindor was 26. He had won two of the previous three MVPs. And Milwaukee goes, let's get rid of this guy. It's hard to make sense of that at the time, and this one's just as bad.
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Justin Penick
Well, Lu Alcindor wanted out of Milwaukee, wanted to go to Los Angeles. He had played his college ball out there, and I think that he wanted out of that situation. But, you know, the difference is with the Lakers, usually Jerry west was on the other end. If Jerry west calls, then you don't. You don't pick up because, you know, somehow, some way, this isn't going to work out. But Rob Polinka made the move, pulled the trigger on this. And I. Good. You know, credit to the Lakers. I didn't think they were going anywhere with Anthony Davis, but at least you've, I don't know, revitalized your fan base. And maybe you now look at the future. Maybe you go, okay, we have somebody we can build on who's not 40 years of age. Yes.
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Bobby Bones
And, like, all of the attention is going to the Lakers and the Mavs, obviously.
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Justin Penick
But then when you look at the.
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Bobby Bones
Other side of some of these trades.
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Justin Penick
It'S like, what are the Bulls doing? Well, what have the Bulls been doing for the last 20 years? They're like a team that's being stripped.
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Bobby Bones
Down for parts because, like, some gigantic company bought them.
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Justin Penick
And they're like, ah, just sell off all the good stuff, and then we'll. It's crazy. It's like when animals cross a river and, you know, some make it. And something like the bulls crossing the river. And then it's like, oh, we lost one. We lost another one. And they finally traded Zach Levine. He's probably been rumored to have been traded a hundred times, it feels like, in the last couple years. So he goes to Sacramento, and, of course, you. You reunite him with Demar Rosen, and that's going to be magic there. Yes. Marvin. Zach Levine is Bradley Beal Light. Wow. A lot of points, but it doesn't lead to wins, so that's not a compliment. No, no, no, no. Okay. Yeah. They're both great players, but no. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
All right.
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Milo
I've been wanting to ask you this for about a day and a half. If you're the Lakers, I'd like to know how much time after the initial call to the trade was made and how much due diligence did you get? Because whenever someone offers you something too good to be true, I gotta know why. This house is 600,000. Should be a million. Oh, it's got mold. That's what it feels like. The Lakers are getting something that the Mavericks really didn't want. Why? How do you ask that? How do you find out why they don't want Luke anymore?
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Justin Penick
Yeah, I think that's what we're waiting for. I think everybody was like, and this is one of those where NBA players, in games, they're passing the phone around on the bench because nobody believes it's real. It's like, you've got to be kidding me. Wait, you see this? You see this? You see this? You see this? Yes. And they can't even be like, well, you know what?
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Bobby Bones
The chance to get Anthony Davis is.
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Justin Penick
Just too good to pass up. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Like, what do you want him for?
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Justin Penick
Yes, Todd, is there a standard physical.
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Tyler
After all trades or what? You know, they have to do that before it becomes efficient.
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Justin Penick
Yeah. And both players are injured. I didn't think you could trade injured players. If David Stern was still the commissioner, I would love to have heard his reaction. Would he have vetoed this like he did Chris Paul to the Lakers? I see. Okay.
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Bobby Bones
You guys just want to move your stars wherever.
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Justin Penick
Okay. And then it goes back to, you know, loyalty, franchise loyalty. Luca didn't want to leave. You know, we always talk about the players in the NBA. Oh, they're holding up these franchises. You know, they're the ones that are dictating what goes on? By all accounts, neither of these players knew what was going on. Yes, Marv. And I think we all have to let the public know Mark Cuban is not the majority owner of the Dallas Mavericks anymore, because I got about three text messages. What is Mark Cuban doing? He's just sitting there. He didn't do this. I know. Fritzi. We were at dinner last night, and I said to Fritzi, reach out to Cuban. So he said, he can't.
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Tyler
I can't. Sorry.
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Justin Penick
And I said, wait a minute. Why can't he? He didn't make the move, but he still owns, like, 27 of the Maverick.
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Tyler
He's very busy. Shark Tank has got a lot of stuff going on, a lot of wheeling and dealing.
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Justin Penick
But this is where Paulie goes. Yeah, tell him we can tape it right now. We'll go like. We'll tape it whatever time you want. Yeah. I love Paul.
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Tyler
He's like, guesses out of the country.
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Mike Golick Sr.
Can't do it.
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Tyler
They don't have zoom. They don't have computers or phones. Out of the country.
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Justin Penick
Yeah, Paul.
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Milo
I wonder if Mark Cuban's. I can't waste. I can't. Like, he loved Luca and he made his declarations years ago and always loved him.
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Justin Penick
Well, you know, it's one of those guys where you paired him with Kyrie Irving. They go to the NBA Finals. You would think, okay, I mean, it's not a great team, but still, you went to the NBA Finals last year, and then you decide to part ways. But I don't. Maybe they just looked at this and said, he's where he is now at 25. How much better is he going to get? How much does he care? And then they talk. You know, all these teams and franchises have culture. You know, it's. It's Patriots culture, and it's Heat culture, and it's. I don't know what that means. All I know is Anthony Davis already has it, and he hasn't even put on the uniform yet, which is pretty amazing. Do you buy it in the gift shop when you, you know, land in Dallas, Fort Worth? Yes. Seaton.
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Bobby Bones
There's a quote from Mark Cuban all over the Internet.
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Justin Penick
Now that, as far as I could tell, is real.
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Bobby Bones
But Mark Cuban said, if I had to choose between my wife and keeping.
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Justin Penick
Luke on the Mavs, catch me at my lawyer's office prepping for a divorce. Yeah.
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Milo
That's awesome.
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Justin Penick
I know.
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Milo
She could probably use that in future negotiations.
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Bobby Bones
I'm just.
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Milo
I'm a lawyer.
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Justin Penick
Wouldn't that have been funny if the Lakers Get Luka, Mark Cuban's wife. They get Maxi Kleber and Marquee Morris. The first wife, you know, traded. Yeah.
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Tyler
And the deal makes sense.
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Justin Penick
Yeah.
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Milo
So Marv and I were joking. Dinner the other day when they introduced, you know, they always introduce the new player they. They trade for, and they hold up the jersey that he's going to wear when Luca gets introduced in L. A. When they introduce Anthony Davis in Dallas, do they hold up a sweater and pants?
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Justin Penick
Wow.
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Milo
Street clothes.
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Justin Penick
Dang. Street clothes.
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Milo
Not really fair. He's playing a lot lately. I retract that. Statement retracted.
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Justin Penick
Damn.
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Milo
Too soon, Barb.
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Justin Penick
Yeah, much too soon. Street.
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Bobby Bones
Closed Street.
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Mike Golick Jr.
A great nickname.
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Milo
He's playing well. We retract.
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Justin Penick
He is. He is, of course, coming back from another injury. Yes, Marv, I saw Luca get off the plane. Miraculously, he's 25 pounds down now. He looks great.
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Milo
Shred fest.
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Justin Penick
Oh, he looked great. He looked like James Harden when he got traded, because James Harden was over here looking like Professor Clump at one point. Well, it's. It's like when your significant other decides to divorce you, and then you get, you know, back to your playing weight. Like, you all of a sudden go, all right, I'm out there on the.
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Milo
Market, but in 36 hours?
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Justin Penick
And he gets Spanx.
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Milo
What's he wearing?
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Justin Penick
He's going to Ozempicville. Oh, he's going Hollywood.
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Milo
Part of his contract.
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Justin Penick
Yes. They may have hooked him up on the plane where he's. Can I get an IV of that Ozempic here? Down 25, by the way. Sixers. Weren't the Celtics down by 27 last night? And came back? We were. We were in a bar, restaurant. Every TV there had to be 15 TVs. And that was the only thing on the Celtics and the 76ers.
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Tyler
Every single TV wasn't that bizarre? I know it's not a sports bar, but there were, like, 18 to 20 TVs. Everyone had the Celtic sixer game on.
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Justin Penick
It's New Orleans.
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Tyler
It's not like we were in the outskirts of Philly or Boston or something.
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Justin Penick
All I know is you were on fire last night. I was a little hyper. I don't know why exactly. There is a rest.
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Milo
There's a point in dinner where I wished I was on fire.
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Justin Penick
Last night. I made Todd drink a beer just to see if it would, you know, slow him down, shut him up. It didn't.
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Tyler
I drank, like, half of that bottle.
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Justin Penick
Oh, I know. Oh, I know. Poll question. Seaton. We got an obvious one for the first hour.
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Bobby Bones
Well, we have some that are trade related. We have one off of staff dinners that Todd submitted.
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Justin Penick
Wait till after the break. We'll go over our poll questions for the first hour. Best and worst of the weekend. Operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Had a interesting situation last night as I looked out of my window, my bedroom window at the hotel and saw five guys in their underwear in the swimming pool. And I said, that guy looks like one of my employees. In fact, they're all my employees in the pool in their underwear. Led by Dylan, of course. So we'll take a break. I think that was referred to this.
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Bobby Bones
Morning as dude soup. I believe someone referred to that incident as dude soup.
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Milo
No soup for me.
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Justin Penick
Yes, Ross Tucker, our good buddy will stop by. Brian Winhorse will join his top of next hour. Big Mike Golick and Mike Jr. Will stop by. Chris Sims. Got a busy day here this Monday. Beautiful day here in New Orleans. We'll come back here on the Dan Patrick right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning 9 to noon eastern or 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Dan Patrick show at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day 5 to 7pm Eastern.
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Justin Penick
But here's the thing.
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Bobby Bones
We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.
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Justin Penick
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips blaming me.
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Bobby Bones
Well, you know what it's called Over Promise.
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Justin Penick
You should be good at it because.
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Bobby Bones
You'Ve been over promising women for years.
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Justin Penick
Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised.
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Bobby Bones
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promise and also uncensored, by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder.
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Justin Penick
It's gonna be the best after show.
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Bobby Bones
Podcast of all time.
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Justin Penick
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You need somebody to help you well over 41,000 businesses have future proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one Cloud ERP unified business management suite. One source of truth giving you the visibility and control that you need to make quick decisions, real time insights and forecasting. You'll be peering into the future with actionable data. Now whether your company is earning millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you respond to immediate challenges and seize your biggest opportunities. Speaking of opportunity, download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com Patrick the guide is free for you at netsuite.com Patrick that's netsuite.com Patrick Good luck. Rumor has it there will be a pickleball match front row, back row at some point this week. We're at the Exchange, which is a beautiful facility here in new ruins and I think it's Paulie and Marvin versus Seaton and Fritzi. Pickleball. I don't know what the stakes are. I just know that their rumor has it there's going to be a pickleball matchup at some point this week.
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Milo
Yes, Paul, I think speaking for all of us, we know very little about the rules and regulations of pickleball.
- [27:29]
Justin Penick
I've only played it once. I'm one and oh, I'm an expert. But I'm only here for guidance with you guys. And I reached out to Miller Light. We have some great accessories for you guys to play pickleball.
- [27:42]
Milo
So we'll look like we know you.
- [27:43]
Justin Penick
Will look like you know what you're doing that's my goal, guaranteed. Yes.
- [27:47]
Tyler
Todd, what about the terminology? You said something the other day about the kitchen.
- [27:50]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [27:50]
Tyler
Do we need to learn some terms?
- [27:51]
Justin Penick
You're gonna learn it. You're gonna learn some. You know, you got to serve underhand. You know, can't be in the kitchen. And, you know, some things you're going to need to know. You can't high paddle. Is that.
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Bobby Bones
Would that be called high paddling?
- [28:02]
Justin Penick
Well, you can do that after the serve happens.
- [28:05]
Bobby Bones
Oh, okay. Okay.
- [28:06]
Justin Penick
Got it. Just one. Yes. Marvin, the bowl is served. Okay, got it. By the way, we have great gift bags here. Well, we have great partners. Our studio guests receive a fantastic gift bag. Items from Sonos, Traeger, Panini Kings, Hawaiian, and Rapid Radio. So we'll talk to Ross Tucker here in a moment. Poll questions. Todd or Seaton? Who's doing the honors? Yeah, we got a couple we'll start with. I think kind of an easy one.
- [28:31]
Bobby Bones
Which team got most better this weekend? Lakers, maps or Spurs?
- [28:36]
Justin Penick
Oh, okay. I like that.
- [28:37]
Bobby Bones
All right.
- [28:38]
Justin Penick
The to Double D. He sent in two.
- [28:41]
Bobby Bones
The Luka Doncic, Anthony Davis trade benefits. The Lakers, the Mavs, both teams neither. But then he sent in the one that was a little more controversial.
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Justin Penick
Staff dinners are.
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Bobby Bones
Generally a fun time.
- [28:57]
Justin Penick
Okay.
- [28:58]
Bobby Bones
Depending on where you're seated or mandatory.
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Justin Penick
How would you answer your poll question, Tom?
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Tyler
I would say generally a fun time, but I've worked on other shows and been with other staffs where every one of those three I could have picked at different points in my career. Yesterday was a fun time, but I've been in situations where I guess I got to go to this thing. Everyone's going to show up and it's going to look like I don't want to hang out with these people. There's been other times where I'm like, this is cool, but I really wanted to sit next to that guy, and he's at the other end of the table, and now they're stuck me here, and that's not great.
- [29:28]
Milo
Yeah, I know how that feels.
- [29:29]
Justin Penick
Yeah. Yeah. I was right across from Paulie. Paulie was next to you. And I go. Of all the places, you know, the two siblings, like, if you and your brother and you don't like each other, don't get along and. But you always sit next to each other. You were there, and you were shot out of a can.
- [29:46]
Tyler
I thought it went very well, except that I was a little too much of a chatterbox, and that was kind of irritating.
- [29:50]
Justin Penick
You kept saying, oh, what goes on upstairs? You can go Upstairs. Nobody's telling us. Wait and go upstairs. Hey, what if I get in that elevator? Where. Where's that sitting?
- [29:58]
Tyler
We were sitting right on top of this big, like, silver elevator. I was just very curious. And then there was some kind of staircase and there was interesting lights. I didn't know if it used to be like some kind of brothel or something like that.
- [30:08]
Justin Penick
I know.
- [30:08]
Tyler
Kind of different colors and things were.
- [30:09]
Brian Windhorst
God, I don't know what was.
- [30:11]
Justin Penick
Why are we going to go there?
- [30:12]
Tyler
Just. It was just. It was just. I don't know, it had a vibe to it.
- [30:15]
Justin Penick
And then there was a birthday. Yeah. There was presentation. We. We had some video of that where. Marvin, I think. Did you tell somebody it was your birthday and it wasn't your birthday? No, a couple of BRGs. Oh, they said it was somebody else's. Another BRG's birthday and there was some dancing going on. Yeah. So One of the BRGs goes, Marvin.
- [30:41]
Bobby Bones
I've never seen you turn your head.
- [30:42]
Justin Penick
Faster in my life. That woman was right behind you. She sure was. Yes. There were a couple of women right behind you.
- [30:49]
Tyler
They were.
- [30:50]
Justin Penick
Yeah. Happy birthday. Yeah, Happy birthday. It was great. That's our birthday shout out. Next time when somebody says, oh, my wife Phyllis, she loves the show. It's her birthday. That's the song we're playing from now on. Yeah. Marvin goes, hey, do you think we could go back there today? And I say, it's my birthday again. I said, sure, you can do that. All righty. 877-3-DP Show. Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle it. DP Show. We'll get to your best and worst of the weekend. Coming up, let's settle on the poll question. Which one do you want to go with? First hour, Seaton. Before we bring in Ross Tucker.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, we're actually going to put up two of them. We're going to put up Steph dinners and we're going to put up which team got most better this weekend.
- [31:29]
Justin Penick
All right, our next guest, you know him from his great football calls on CBS and Westwood One. He played in the NFL. Says he could have gotten into Princeton on his grades alone. Nobody's buying that. His head is bigger than some compact cars. You know him, you love him. He. Here's Ross Tucker. All righty. No, no, closer to me. Closer to me. Look at Ross Tucker.
- [32:02]
Minnie Driver
0% chance I would have gotten into Princeton without football.
- [32:06]
Bobby Bones
0.
- [32:07]
Minnie Driver
The Valley tournament. High school. My year did not get in the same year I got in. It was a little bit dicey and.
- [32:15]
Justin Penick
They wanted to get into Princeton.
- [32:17]
Minnie Driver
Yeah, all I ever want to do is play football for Penn State. Yeah, all they ever wanted to do.
- [32:21]
Mike Golick Sr.
Was go to Princeton, Harvard.
- [32:23]
Minnie Driver
And thankfully, by senior year, he was a little bit more relaxed that I could joke. And I said, listen, Richard, while you were fooling around studying, I was lifting weights, trying to get in the best colleges. He went to Columbia or Penn. He's a doctor. I'm sure he's doing great. Yeah, but. But, yeah, I guess, you know, they only take so many people from each school, so I guess I kind of took a spot.
- [32:42]
Justin Penick
Can you remember a sports shock in the NFL that's anywhere near what we got with the NBA?
- [32:50]
Minnie Driver
I remember being. I'm not saying it's near where the NBA is, but I remember Easter Sunday one year, the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. And that was life.
- [33:04]
Justin Penick
Like, wow, right?
- [33:06]
Minnie Driver
I mean, you know, in division. And Donovan had been the face of the Eagles franchise for a decade. That was one where. I think, you know, I used to be working for Sirius xm. I think we had an emergency show. I think they called me, like, can you do a show tonight, Easter, Sunday night, to discuss that. I thought it was pretty crazy when the. The Patriots traded blood so. To the Bills. Although you kind of knew that was coming. Not. Not to this extent.
- [33:35]
Justin Penick
Not.
- [33:35]
Minnie Driver
Not like, oh, I'll say this. I don't know that much about the NBA or that many guys about the NBA. In the NBA, if you're not sure what's happening, when in doubt, the guy probably wanted out. I mean, that. That, like, that's. It seems like all these guys, that's all they talk about in Philly now is embiid and, you know, Jimmy Butler. It just seems like if you're not sure why a team is moving on from a guy, that guy probably wanted. I don't know anything about Luca. Maybe he loved Dallas, but that's just. That's my two cents about the NBA.
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Justin Penick
I thought about Andrew Luck. That that was. Oh, yes, because it felt like that he finally got the Colts offensive line figured out that he was getting healthier, he was in his prime. And then all of a sudden, Shefty drops the bomb that he's retiring. And that was during preseason when he was at the game on the sidelines, and then the fans started booing him.
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Minnie Driver
Yeah, that. That really hurt my heart. I didn't like how any of that went down. You're right. Because what guy retires in the middle, or at least it comes out in the middle of like the second preseason game. That's just not a thing for a starting quarterback to retire middle of the second or third preseason game. You're right. And then they were booing him, and then he had that awkward press conference and you know, that's not how he wanted it to go. I always think about situations like that, Dan. I know you're similar. Who did that? Like, who told Shefty and Shefty, you know, Sheffield did his job, but who? Somebody. My guest in the Colts organization was not happy and they put it out there and kind of put Andrew in a bad spot.
- [35:09]
Justin Penick
Yeah. Shefty tried to do a NFL comp on Luka Doncic and Anthony Davis, and I think he said Joe Burrow for Lamar Jackson.
- [35:16]
Minnie Driver
Right.
- [35:17]
Justin Penick
And that's not good.
- [35:18]
Minnie Driver
That's what I've heard.
- [35:19]
Justin Penick
It's not even close. It would be where you have somebody who is 25 and then a quarterback who's 32, a quarterback who's 25 and awesome. And then if you said Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, that to me would be the comp. Dak Prescott injured a lot, has had some success, hasn't won anything. Joe Burrow is 25 and still in his prime. So I would say that is. That would be the modern day NFL comp for me.
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Minnie Driver
So. And again, I don't follow the NBA that closely, Dan, but everybody's saying, how could the Mavs do this? How could the ma. This. Whoever's running their organization, they're not that dumb. Right. Like, there's got to be some reasoning, some logic. Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't. I saw where he's eligible for the supermax in a year or two. Maybe he told him, I don't want to be there. Like, I'm not going to sign this with you.
- [36:10]
Mike Golick Sr.
If.
- [36:11]
Minnie Driver
If you want to get anything in return for me, you better trade me now. There's got to be more to it that for whatever. Various reasons, agents and all that stuff. Stuff. They don't. They want. They don't want to put it out there.
- [36:22]
Justin Penick
Yeah. I think he was generally shocked. And I think you have a GM who basically says, I'm either going to be, you know, championed or vilified.
- [36:32]
Minnie Driver
Yeah.
- [36:33]
Justin Penick
In. In three years from now. So it feels like. And there, there. It's always, you know, ancillary things that go into this. But, you know, they talked about the Miami or the Mavericks culture that, you know, these players will buy into the Mavs culture. And maybe he didn't. They talked about his Weight and he was out of shape. So, you know these code words that it felt like, do we want to give this guy $75 million a year? Right. And I'm thinking it's not like he's going to slow down or he can't jump any high. He's like, luca Don. Or. Yeah. He's like Joker, where he's not going to slow down because he's already slowed down. Like, he. This is how he plays. He's going to play old man basketball the rest of his career. So that's what I don't. If he shows up with a, you know, a beer belly, cut off shorts, smoking cigarettes, I'll be like, all right, that guy's still going to get 25 a night.
- [37:29]
Minnie Driver
So it's funny because the two things that jump out to me, I'll never forget. I can't remember what game they won last year, but after the game, he's drinking a beer.
- [37:37]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [37:37]
Minnie Driver
Michael Finley comes over and takes it out of his hand. I thought. Thought, I don't know about that. Like, he's the best player. And it's one thing to say, hey, man, probably not a good idea to have that beer. Everything, like, take it out of his head. I'd be like, dude, who are you? I just won the game for us. We're going to the NBA Finals. Give me my beer. That's how I would have been. Give me my beer. The other thing is, there's certain guys. I played basketball through high school, loved it. I get the guys that are fast, can jump high. All those things I'm amazed by, like, Brunson or Luca Dan, that they're slow, they can't jump, and yet they're. I watch and I'm like, how is he doing this? Because, you know, it is hard to get your shot off if you're not coming off a screen, off a dribble. The way they change, it's really, really impressive.
- [38:25]
Justin Penick
But it's like. And we're talking to Ross Tucker, CBS Sports. Like, Le'Veon Bell, he wasn't the fastest guy.
- [38:31]
Mike Golick Sr.
Right.
- [38:31]
Justin Penick
But he kind of drifted, drifted, boom.
- [38:34]
Minnie Driver
Yeah.
- [38:34]
Justin Penick
Drifted, drifted, boom, boom. You know, And I. I guess there's comparisons in all walks of life. Let me go back to the trade where Luca may thank the Mavs at some point for restarting his career or getting to realize, get in shape. You can be one of the greatest players of all time. I go back to when Chris Carter was going through his drug problems and Buddy Ryan traded him.
- [38:57]
Minnie Driver
Yeah.
- [38:58]
Justin Penick
And Chris, later in his Career. Said he saved my career because he. He woke me up. I don't know if it's to that degree with Luca that he. You know, he does. It's not drugs, but it. It's his taking care of himself. And Buddy traded Chris and didn't want to, but had to because thought it was best for Chris's career.
- [39:18]
Minnie Driver
But also, maybe this is just who Luca is, and maybe he can keep going like this. I mean, isn't Ovechkin about to break Gretzky's record? Yeah, Ovechkin. I know some guys that know he's been running hard for a while. Maybe not as much as he used to, but, like, the fact that that guy is gonna break Gretzky's record, he's not only burns it at both ends, but he's like a hitter, you know? I mean, like, he's not like just your finesse, you know, goal scorer like Ovechkin.
- [39:44]
Justin Penick
That.
- [39:45]
Minnie Driver
That's incredible to me that he's still playing and about to break that. I can't believe I'm talking basketball.
- [39:50]
Justin Penick
Look at you, Tim Legler here. If the Eagles win the super bowl, how will we look at. How will history. Look at that trade that the Eagles made getting Saquon Barkley.
- [40:07]
Minnie Driver
Oh, they will call it one of the best free agent signings of all time. Yeah, they'll call it one of the best free agent signings of all time. And it'll just make it look even uglier for the Giants. I mean, we talked about a little bit about McNabb and Bledsoe in division. Not only was Saquon in division, we have it on tape, the owner saying to the gm, boy, I'd have a tough time sleeping. He's our best player. He's by far our most popular player. And the owner kept that guy. The owner said, I wouldn't. Can you imagine losing a guy that might be a difference maker? Might be offensive player of the year? I think they offered him 10 and a half, 11, but they weren't going to go to 12 and a half or whatever. If you think about that, these are. The Giants are probably worth $8 billion, right? Over a million and a half. They let their best and most popular player go to the other team in their division. Don't you think in like, just. Just ticket sales and just jerseys, don't you think Saquon almost makes up for that million and a half a year? Like that? Stuff like that is the stuff I really, really don't understand.
- [41:14]
Justin Penick
I just hope that it Revitalized the running back position because I kept waiting, knew it would happen. I didn't know it would happen like this. But you got Derek Kent, I mean, you got teams that really. James Cook, they focus on the run.
- [41:27]
Minnie Driver
Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon, there's a bunch of guys that got signed, older veteran guys. Here's what's crazy because I wrote about this during the season, you know, like Michael Pittman for the Colts. He's a good player, right? Nice receiver. He makes $24 million a year. He makes double saquon. He makes three times what Derrick Henry makes. So kudos to Howie Roseman and Eric DaCosta and the GMs of the Ravens and the Eagles for saying, wait a minute, this is not right. Like a good game for Michael Pittman is like six catches for 88 yards. We're going to give Saquon Barkley the ball one way or the other 20 times a game. And I think they also correctly figured out, you know, Saquon, if you get him to the second level and he gets that speed going, look out. The Giants just could rarely do it. But with the Eagles offensive line, he gets that space to get up to 22 miles an hour often. And that's why we've had. I see, I can't remember a guy, maybe Chris Johnson from the Titans that one year, but I can't remember a guy with this many. 60, 70 yard. It just doesn't happen in the NFL.
- [42:35]
Justin Penick
It's great to see you always, man.
- [42:36]
Minnie Driver
Good to see you guys in person for sure.
- [42:38]
Justin Penick
Thanks for all your contributions. We appreciate it. You're always there for us. The audience loved you and you know, we, we do. Do you have the Eagles winning? Do you have to have the Eagles winning?
- [42:48]
Mike Golick Sr.
No, I don't.
- [42:48]
Minnie Driver
No, I, I think I, I don't know how you pick Sirianni and Hertz over Andy Reid and Mahomes. No one score game. I really don't. I mean I, I think the Eagles.
- [42:57]
Justin Penick
And you cover the Eagles all season.
- [42:59]
Minnie Driver
I do their preseason games, I do multiple things for the Eagles. But when someone asks as my prediction, I gotta go with what I think is the most likely scenario. Most likely scenario is one score game in a one score game. I'm taking Mahomes, Andy Reid over Hertz and sir, they can do it. But I think the Eagles best chance is if they just run away from it with Saquon and win like 34, 23. Eagles need to somehow either win by two scores or be up by two scores late. Because if it's a one score game. We we've seen that movie over and over and over again.
- [43:30]
Justin Penick
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- [50:53]
Milo
Yeah Paulie I went back and looked at a couple with the NFL and the NFL is rarely as big with trades, but the Herschel Walker trade to Minnesota Vikings was October 12, 1989. That was mid season and they got the monstrous hall that turned out to be the Cowboys run a couple years later. The other one was the Ricky Williams draft trade. The coverage was out of hand with Mike Ditka trading his entire draft to draft Ricky Williams out of Texas.
- [51:18]
Justin Penick
It's like Ditka didn't want to work, you know, here in New Orleans. He's like, you can take all my picks, I just want Ricky Williams. Then I can I leave now? Can I go get something to eat and go get a drink? What was the other one that you said? Herschel. Herschel changed the NFL. I mean that, that, that changed the Cowboys. That was, that was pretty shocking as well. We talked about Andrew Locke when he announced that he was retiring in his prime and that when he didn't announce it, Shefty did. And then all of a sudden, although Shefty did try to wiggle his way into this by saying, you know, the, the NFL comp would be Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow were like, no, no, it wouldn't be that. It would be Dak Prescott traded for Joe Burrow. That would probably be similar guy who's 32, injury prone and a guy who is 25 who's in his prime. Yes, Marvin. And also the Dak Prescott portion of it. It's the biggest franchise in that sport. Yeah. So the Lakers. All right, look at you. You're doing extra work.
- [52:24]
Bobby Bones
Every day is the Super Bowl.
- [52:25]
Justin Penick
I know, I know. Usually for me it's the divisional round, but today's the Super Bowl. It's kind of a wild card weekend sometimes with us. All right, our next guest from NBC Sports played quarterback at Texas, played in the NFL and he loves to visit a dispensary. He never played football high. That we know of. Here's Chris Sim.
- [52:54]
Bobby Bones
No, I don't ever smoke on the job. I never smoke on the job. Never. Never. I'm an end of the day kind of guy. So even, you know, even post football, right. I mean, never. Never.
- [53:03]
Justin Penick
So when you've done football night in America, never done anything. Right. Never. Never.
- [53:07]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I can't do it that way.
- [53:09]
Justin Penick
We're Pro Football Talk with Mike Florio.
- [53:11]
Bobby Bones
Early in the morning, wake and bake. No, that's not happening either.
- [53:14]
Milo
Right.
- [53:15]
Justin Penick
7:00Am but in college you may have.
- [53:18]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, in college is kind of where it started.
- [53:20]
Justin Penick
Right, right.
- [53:21]
Bobby Bones
It's kind of where I started to be. Go down that route of smoking a Little. I didn't think we were going to be starting our super bowl conversation with this conversation here, but. But either way, we might as well. Yeah, it started in college a little bit. Just because, like, you know, 6th Street, Austin, Texas. I'd go out with my friends, I'd have drinks, and I'd be like, man, I just can't do it. I don't like drinking. And I'd get hungover or throw up or whatever. And that's where I started to dabble in the, you know, smoking a little bit.
- [53:49]
Justin Penick
Okay. But the whole thing about dealing with pain with athletes, I mean, this is serious.
- [53:54]
Bobby Bones
This is definitely serious.
- [53:55]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [53:55]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yeah.
- [53:56]
Justin Penick
But where are we going with that? Medicinal use of marijuana with athletes. I don't know if it helps with cte. I don't know what the studies.
- [54:05]
Bobby Bones
I don't know all that either. I do know that it's a better option than options that were out there before. Right. I had teammates and friends who certainly got into opioid addictions because. Yeah, especially in my day, back in, you know, the 2010, 2008, the drug testing was much more strict, so you weren't gonna be able to do that. And so guys then would go the pill route. And it caused problems. I mean, lots of problems, whether it was, you know, with their stomach and their digestive system, them getting addicted to it, whatever the mental asp it. But I think we're at a much better place now. And I think, you know, the. We're accepting of it. I mean, look, we're sitting at Super Bowl 59, starting off a conversation with it.
- [54:44]
Justin Penick
Are these the two best teams in the NFL?
- [54:47]
Bobby Bones
Yes. Yeah, they're the two best. I mean, the Ravens would have been right there with it.
- [54:50]
Justin Penick
Right.
- [54:50]
Bobby Bones
I mean, the Ravens. The Ravens, when the playoffs started, are the team I picked to go to the Super Bowl. I thought, like, when this playoff started, I said, man, the Ravens are playing the best ball right now. Like, they look like they're peaking, but certainly the Chiefs are right there with them. The Eagles, though, I don't know if, like, I can't emphasize this enough. I've been trying to say this for about the last month. The Eagles are an all star team. It's one of the best teams we've seen post, like, the new free agency, you know, salary cap era, well constructed teams that I've ever seen. It's one of the best O lines ever. I would put it up there with the 90s cowboys. Like, it's that good. It is that good. They run three plays and he runs for 2,000 yards. They run three plays. They don't run a lot of pass plays either. They're.
- [55:33]
Justin Penick
Wait a minute, give me the three play.
- [55:34]
Bobby Bones
They run inside zone, outside zone, and you'll see two pullers every now and then. It's the only three runs they run and they go, we're so good at it.
- [55:42]
Justin Penick
Screw you.
- [55:43]
Bobby Bones
We're coming at you with it and you can't stop it. That's how good they are. And offensively in their past game, you know, this is one of the things I worry about with the game is because they. I. My. My thing with the matchup is it's kind of brains versus brawn. It's the Chiefs who do everything, and it's the Eagles who are just like, we're here and you know what we're going to do and you still can't stop it. And they pose problems for you. The Eagles, with that O line, that running game. Jalen hurts ability to run the ball. And then of course, he's a good deep ball thrower. That's the. His best thing. So now you get one on one with A.J. brown and Devonte Smith. They cause problems for you, and that's where this game is going to be really interesting.
- [56:18]
Justin Penick
But it feels like there is a concerted effort to have Jalen hurts throw less. Yeah, yeah, they're better when he throws less.
- [56:25]
Bobby Bones
I think.
- [56:25]
Mike Golick Sr.
Think.
- [56:26]
Bobby Bones
I think it kind of just manifested that way a little bit between, yeah, they were running the ball well. I don't think he was playing his best football. Then he got hurt, and then they kind of got like pigeonholed into, oh, he's not hitting on all cylinders right now and playing his best football. So let's lean on the run game a little bit more. But if he throws the ball like he did in the NFC Championship right there, that's. The Chiefs will have to play a special, special game to beat them, I think.
- [56:51]
Justin Penick
Yeah. But is it more important that the Eagles offense is great or the Eagles defense is great?
- [56:56]
Bobby Bones
Ooh, that's a good question there. I would say more the Eagles defense, though. Yeah, still. The Eagles defense. The Eagles defense, it's the best in football. They got everything right. Jalen Carter is arguably the best defensive player in the game. They got really good secondary players. They're simple, too, though. Vic Fangio, it's. Hey, he's the man. I have mad respect for Vic Fangio, but they're another team. They don't do a lot. They're kind of just like, hey, we're good. We know what we're gonna do. We know you can't expose us in our rules because we're so, you know, honed in on all of it. And they're gonna, I think, have to change a little bit because. Can you sit there and play zone against Patrick Mahomes all game? No, no way. That's what happened in Buffalo the first two series. They played zone and he just went zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. And then they went, oh, crap, let's play man for the rest of the game. And then you saw all these man plays as the game went on. And that's going to be one of the chess matches of this thing is can Philly play the defense? They want to play against this guy playing quarterback.
- [57:54]
Justin Penick
But also does Jalen Hurts try to do too much? You know, when you're opposite Patrick Mahomes. Right. You're opposite a great player. Sure. You kind of want to match them. Exactly. Josh Allen is, you know, falling prey to this. Sure.
- [58:07]
Bobby Bones
Lamar Jackson.
- [58:08]
Justin Penick
Right.
- [58:08]
Bobby Bones
It's all that, you know, people go, oh, they choked. I go, no, Lamar didn't choke. Lamar wants, wants it so bad he's trying to do everything to get there.
- [58:15]
Justin Penick
Right.
- [58:16]
Bobby Bones
He's got a guy holding on his leg and he's doing a three point stance, trying to like 360 out of it to still make a throw. And then he fumbles the football. He's not choking. He's just maybe doing too much. Same with Josh Allen, certainly.
- [58:27]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [58:27]
Bobby Bones
You don't want to fall in that trap if you're Jalen hurts. He was pretty good in the first Super Bowl. Right. I mean, the fumble was a huge part of the game, certainly. But if he plays like that again, then they're going to be really tough to beat.
- [58:38]
Justin Penick
Let's say the Chiefs win. Yeah.
- [58:41]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [58:42]
Justin Penick
Greatest team of all time.
- [58:43]
Bobby Bones
I mean, it's the greatest team of all time in a four or five year span. Maybe that's what I said this season.
- [58:49]
Justin Penick
If what they've done.
- [58:51]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [58:52]
Justin Penick
Can you label them the greatest? This is this season.
- [58:55]
Bobby Bones
No, no. No way. No way.
- [58:56]
Justin Penick
Okay. Which team is the greatest?
- [58:58]
Bobby Bones
Gosh, I mean, it's hard for me not to look at like the 92 Cowboys and the 8949ers and teams like that. Where I go, you know, again, it's a little unfair because as you know, it's, it's, it's pre salary cap.
- [59:10]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [59:11]
Bobby Bones
And those teams were stacked, but those teams, I mean, we go back, those teams weren't eking out every game. Going, oh, I hope they miss a field goal. I hope we block it. I hope something magical happens. Those teams were dominating football teams. I think you can remember that. And, yeah, I don't know if it matches up with that.
- [59:27]
Justin Penick
Talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host. You can see that on Peacock. Prior to our show, Chris Simms, unbuttoned podcast and a contributor to NBC Football Night in America, the football equivalent to Luca and Anthony Davis.
- [59:41]
Bobby Bones
I know. I heard you say that. And I did see Schefter's tweet too, and I. It was something more along the lines of, like what you were saying, Older, good quarterback for somebody in his prime. I don't know who that would be.32. Right. You know, Jared Goff type of age for one of these young whippersnappers who's a star right now.
- [60:01]
Justin Penick
Right.
- [60:01]
Bobby Bones
You know, I mean, to me, there's four quarterbacks that stand alone in football right now. Now. And you know who they are? Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow are on another level. Then we can get a discussion about the other guys. But those four are, like, far and away the best in the game right now.
- [60:15]
Justin Penick
But you look back on the Herschel deal.
- [60:17]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, Yeah, I remember it, man.
- [60:18]
Justin Penick
That changed the Cowboys. Yeah.
- [60:20]
Bobby Bones
I mean, it won them three Super Bowls.
- [60:22]
Justin Penick
Change football, right? Right. Andrew Luck announcing his retirement.
- [60:27]
Bobby Bones
It changed some stuff.
- [60:29]
Justin Penick
That was one of those where you didn't believe it, right?
- [60:31]
Bobby Bones
Yep.
- [60:32]
Justin Penick
But I don't know if there's anything else that comes to mind, because you normally don't get big NFL trades.
- [60:37]
Bobby Bones
No, I mean, Eric Dickerson in the 80s, I remember him. Right. That was a big one. That was a big deal. You guys hit on Ricky Williams. Of course, that was huge draft day. But, yeah, nothing that I can like. Nothing to where you can go star for star like that. I mean, I'm not even in NBA mode, but I woke up on Sunday morning like, holy crap, what we did.
- [60:55]
Justin Penick
Is this. This real?
- [60:57]
Bobby Bones
My son text me, and he's like, did this really happen? And I was like, I think it did.
- [61:02]
Justin Penick
I did the same thing, but I had people texting me that just said, OMG or wti.
- [61:06]
Bobby Bones
Right.
- [61:07]
Justin Penick
So I don't even know what they're talking about.
- [61:08]
Bobby Bones
Right. Yeah. I just saw Luca. I think that was the first text I got. I can't believe they traded Luca. And I'm like, what?
- [61:13]
Justin Penick
You know, looking around offseason, Sam Darnold, you know, what the Raiders doing? Chip Kelly just got hired.
- [61:22]
Bobby Bones
I like that. I like Pete Carroll being the head coach there, you know, they're kind of a team that's in a little disarray. Get a guy in there that kind of leads them into the future in the right direction. How long that future will be, I don't know. But Pete can certainly energize an organization.
- [61:34]
Justin Penick
But can you bring in Russell Wilson if you're Carroll, even though Russell tried to get Pete fired in Seattle? No, like, other than that.
- [61:41]
Bobby Bones
Nor.
- [61:42]
Minnie Driver
Nor.
- [61:42]
Bobby Bones
I mean, I don't think even from a football like, decision making process that's a logical thing to do right now. I'd be shocked if he's back with the Steelers as the quarterback.
- [61:51]
Justin Penick
I wouldn't have him back. I would, I would try with Justin Fields.
- [61:55]
Bobby Bones
If you gave me the option of him or Justin Fields, I'd go, there's more upside with Justin Fields. I think Russell, maybe he gets another shot to be a starter somewhere, but if it does, it's going to be something like Sam Darnold was just a part of, like, hey, we're going to sign you, but we might draft a quarterback too, right? You're just going to be a bridge guy. But I don't even know if that's going to happen. It'll be interesting. Sam Donald will be interesting. That. That could see.
- [62:16]
Justin Penick
Are you paying Brock Purdy is your buddy?
- [62:19]
Bobby Bones
I don't know. Kyle Channing doesn't probably want me to talk about these subjects and say these things, but I wouldn't pay him, like, pay him what? You know what?
- [62:27]
Justin Penick
Full boat.
- [62:28]
Bobby Bones
No way. No way. That's crazy. I think that's crazy.
- [62:32]
Justin Penick
I.
- [62:33]
Bobby Bones
This has to stop, you know, to me, like again, I'll go to the Dolphins too, with Tua.55 million a year.
- [62:40]
Brian Windhorst
For what?
- [62:40]
Bobby Bones
Who was going to pay him 35 million a year? They're negotiating against themselves, like, why? No, nobody's going to like, go, oh my gosh, the 49ers didn't pay Brock Purdy. Let's trade the farm form or let's. We'll break the bank form him. He's really good. But what's wrong with paying the quarterback $35 million a year when he's kind of the middle of the pack quarterback in the NFL? That's where I look at Brock Purdy. I think he's about 15, 16, 17, 18, somewhere in that range, you know, So I don't, I don't, I wouldn't do that. And I think that's how teams are going to mess up their, you know, their teams and their rosters. For the future, making those decisions.
- [63:16]
Justin Penick
The Titans on record is talking about generational talent at the top of the draft. Draft. Generational talent doesn't sound like the two quarterbacks.
- [63:25]
Bobby Bones
I. I don't know. They are either. You're right. I mean, they talk about Travis Hunter, maybe. I mean, I don't know if that's the guy they're talking about or Abdul Carter, somebody like that. The quarterbacks, I do like them. I do now. I mean, do I like them as much as the top two guys as last year? And, you know, I haven't gotten into studying these guys quite yet, but, of course, watch college football, and I love Shador Shador Sanders. I think he's old school. I mean, when I watch him, I think it's Doug Williams. He's just standing back there like, oh, I'm gonna throw a rifle down the field.
- [63:55]
Justin Penick
Kids not get his speed.
- [63:58]
Bobby Bones
I said that to my wife the other day. I was like, isn't it funny? His. His son's this big pocket passing quarterback. Strong, makes good decisions, puts the ball wherever he wants. Slow as hell. Slow as hell. Dion's the fastest human I've ever seen on a football field. Cam Ward special, too, though. I do like Cam Ward. Ward.
- [64:15]
Justin Penick
I do.
- [64:15]
Bobby Bones
I. Cam Ward's got a little more size to him than I thought. And of course, his ability, his arm is real, all the different angles, the strength of it. And then, of course, he can make people miss in the pocket to then throw the ball down the field, too.
- [64:28]
Justin Penick
He's.
- [64:28]
Bobby Bones
He's pretty damn good.
- [64:30]
Justin Penick
Can you see Deion influencing the draft? How would he influence the draft?
- [64:35]
Bobby Bones
I think he could influence it. Just, you know, Deion's a master, right? I. I'm. One of the reasons I wore number two is because of Deion. Dion.
- [64:44]
Justin Penick
And you're slow as hell, too, right?
- [64:46]
Bobby Bones
So all the quarterbacks that like Dion are slow, and they're not like Dion.
- [64:49]
Mike Golick Sr.
Right.
- [64:50]
Bobby Bones
That's why I dreamed to be like.
- [64:51]
Justin Penick
You didn't want your dad's number?
- [64:52]
Bobby Bones
I mean, I did for a little, but, you know, when I got to, like, freshman year in high school, Deon and Derek Jeter were kicking some butt, and I was like, no, quarterbacks are wearing number two. And I was like, I'm gonna be the guy that brings two to life.
- [65:05]
Brian Windhorst
Right?
- [65:05]
Bobby Bones
That's kind of what I thought.
- [65:06]
Justin Penick
Okay.
- [65:06]
Bobby Bones
Of course, I didn't bring it much to life, but I literally almost tried to die in it when I lost my spleen and all of it. But. But either way, just imagine how history.
- [65:16]
Justin Penick
Would have treated you. I know. You left it all out on the field.
- [65:19]
Bobby Bones
Right, right.
- [65:19]
Justin Penick
Like I said, I see Kyle Trask.
- [65:21]
Bobby Bones
Wearing two, I'm like, they didn't retire my jersey. What are they doing down there in Tampa? How could they do that to me?
- [65:26]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [65:27]
Bobby Bones
Only guy ever that almost died on the field.
- [65:29]
Justin Penick
Where is your split?
- [65:31]
Bobby Bones
I guess in a garbage somewhere.
- [65:32]
Justin Penick
You know. They didn't even let you keep it?
- [65:34]
Bobby Bones
No. What do you think? I was gonna bring it home and put on like the trophy case and be like, hey, guys, look at this.
- [65:38]
Justin Penick
This. You know, I would have displayed.
- [65:40]
Bobby Bones
Thomas Davis did this to me.
- [65:42]
Justin Penick
I would have displayed it on the show.
- [65:44]
Bobby Bones
I actually, honestly, I'm crazy enough that I probably would have. But, yeah, I never got that option. And, you know, things were kind of emergency at that point, so, yeah, that was it.
- [65:52]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [65:53]
Bobby Bones
But Dion can influence the trap. I think if his son tells him he's not feeling a spot or whatever like that Dion will say it publicly or let the message out there that they're not in favor of it. And that's where I feel like he can sway things a little bit.
- [66:05]
Justin Penick
We just had Ross Tucker on last hour and he, of course covers the Eagles throughout the season. He's taken the Chiefs over the Eagles because he said, I can't go against Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.
- [66:16]
Bobby Bones
I know.
- [66:16]
Justin Penick
If it's going to be a one score game.
- [66:18]
Bobby Bones
I know it's. It's. That's the hard thing. There's no doubt the Eagles are better than the Chiefs.
- [66:23]
Justin Penick
There's no doubt. But they have to be up by at least 10 with two minutes.
- [66:27]
Bobby Bones
You feel like they got to be like that. It's got to be one of those games, 4, 24. If it's 30 to 24, I'm going to be sitting on the couch, going, going, oh, crap, they're in trouble.
- [66:36]
Justin Penick
They're in trouble.
- [66:37]
Bobby Bones
Here he comes. Here comes 15. So, yes, I. I agree with you there. I'm gonna tell you. I am. I feel like I'm leaning Eagles. I lied to you last year.
- [66:45]
Justin Penick
Yeah, you did. Why?
- [66:46]
Bobby Bones
Because I got scared. I was kind of in between, and it was a Monday and I was. I was afraid that the Shanahans and all my family friends and all my Texas friends were gonna go, what the f. You picked the Chiefs right on the Monday to start the Super Bowl. So I was like, a little undecided. I was like, I think I'm gonna pick the Chiefs. But I came on here and said the. And then, of course, as you Saw on my shows and everything. I picked the, the Chiefs later in the week.
- [67:12]
Justin Penick
Are you lying to me now?
- [67:13]
Bobby Bones
I will not lie to you now. There's no, there's no friends or family here that I'm worried about. Right. There's no connections of the past.
- [67:20]
Justin Penick
You're taking the Chiefs.
- [67:21]
Bobby Bones
I don't know if I am. I think I'm going to take the Eagles. I think I'm going to take the Eagles. I'm going to go with the team that I think is the best. Now the Chiefs continually can ruin that and they've done that to me. I'm not sure they've been the better team in any super bowl they've played yet. I don't know.
- [67:35]
Justin Penick
But they've, they've graduated to the Brady Belichick definitely.
- [67:39]
Bobby Bones
And they've graduated to like, wait, oh, this is a clutch moment is do I have a pulse? Right? I mean, that's, that's where they're scary. When you win a Super bowl and you do it the way they did it, nothing can make them nervous anymore. Nothing. Like when I see them in week eight and I'm like, these guys aren't nervous after three 10 point deficits in the super bowl to come back and win. They don't give a crap about week eight. We're down by four in the fourth quarter. Quarter. And I don't think they'll care about this one. The start of the game is going to be big in this because I do think the Eagles are going to manage emotions a little and the Chiefs are going to be like, let's go. We've been here before. And that's where I, I do worry about the Eagles letting the game get away from them right out of the.
- [68:16]
Justin Penick
Gate a little bit. Great. Great to talk to you again.
- [68:18]
Bobby Bones
Always great to talk to you too. Knocking the mic off at the end. Did I hear Russ, I mean, Ross sat there?
- [68:24]
Justin Penick
No, no.
- [68:25]
Bobby Bones
At first.
- [68:26]
Justin Penick
I know he was going to.
- [68:27]
Bobby Bones
What?
- [68:28]
Justin Penick
I don't know. Yeah, he's a lineman. I know. You have to tell him where to go.
- [68:31]
Bobby Bones
Come on, Ross.
- [68:32]
Justin Penick
And he went to Princeton.
- [68:33]
Bobby Bones
I man smarter but not smart. Yeah, those Princeton smart like Fritzi book.
- [68:38]
Justin Penick
Smart but can't go across the crosswalk.
- [68:40]
Bobby Bones
Right.
- [68:41]
Justin Penick
Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to Football Night in America. His podcast unbuttoned. We'll take a break. We'll get to your phone calls coming up right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 until noon. Eastern, 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. That time of the year, the big game is coming up. Let's say you want to trash talk with your buddies. Let's say you're in one city and you got a friend in another city. You're rooting for the Chiefs. He's rooting for the Eagles. Pick up your rapid radio, the walkie talkie. Not your average, not your ordinary walkie talkie. The official walkie talkie of the DP show. One touch of a button. You can connect great communication device with your kids after school. Let's say they're there for practice. You can say, hey, just press the button. Let me know when you want me to pick you up. How about an aging parent struggles with their phone, they can use the rapid radio Walkie talkies. One touch of a button. Not your average walkie talkies. So you push the button, connect with your friends, family, neighbors. It's one touch connection. Rapid radios work on a nationwide LTE network. Network, but no subscription. It's just walkie talkies. With the ease of today's technology and rapid radios are a great communication device for Everybody. They are 100% private, ready to go right out of the box. You got rapidradios.com now the French kid and Seton went down to New Orleans. I could stay in touch with them on the road by just pressing a button while they're doing their road trip. The big German going to New Orleans. And what did I do? I said take a rapid radio with you and I'll connect with you. And I've been doing that. You can do the same thing. And now's the time to get the rapid radio. For a limited time, go to rapidradios.com you'll get up to 60% off. Free UPS shipping from Michigan. Also a free protection bag. And if you add code radio, get an extra 5% off. Stay connected with your family and friends with the touch of a button. When you watch your team play with rapid radio walkie talkies, the official walkie talkies of the Dan Patrick show. You'll love them. And they hold a charge up to five days. Rapid radios go to rapidradios.com and once again get up to 60% off. Free UPS shipping from Michigan plus free protection bag. Add code radio. Get an extra 5% off at rapidradios.com huh? In the NFL, there's no margin for error. One mistake can change the outcome of a game. Science proves quality sleep can help boost reaction time, recovery time, overall athletic performance. As the official sleep and wellness partner of the National Football League, Sleep Number's mission is to provide players with data and insights to optimize their sleep for the ultimate competitive edge. And did you know 80% of NFL players have a Sleep Number Smart Bed? I've been partnering with sleep number since 2008. My sleep number setting is 75 and sleep plays such an important role in recovery recovery and we're all unique in what we need from our beds plus Sleep Number Smart Beds the best beds for couples because you can individualize each side of the bed. Why choose a Sleep Number Smart Bed? So you can choose your ideal comfort on either side of the bed and now save 50% on the new Sleep Number Limited Edition Smart Bed Limited Time exclusively at a Sleep Number store near you. C store or sleepnumber.com Patrick for details what's the future hold for business? You can ask nine experts and you'll get 10 answers. Bull market, Bear market Inflation up down. You need somebody to help you. Well over 41,000 businesses have future proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one Cloud ERP unified business management suite. One source of truth giving you the visibility and control that you need to make quick decisions, real time insights and forecasting. You'll be peering into the future with actionable data now. Whether your company is earning millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you respond to immediate challenges and seize your biggest opportunities. Speaking of opportunity, download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com Patrick the guide is free for you at netsuite.com Patrick that's netsuite.com Patrick Good luck.
- [73:09]
Tyler
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- [74:22]
Justin Penick
Weatherman, but I'll give you my forecast Snow and ice coming your way, making driving a challenge. Thankfully, the experts at Tire Rack know a thing or two about conquering winter's worst Rain, sleet, slush, whatever winter means to you. Tire Rack has all the tires you need to help you elevate traction in braking and keeping you safe all season. Tires, all weather tires and if you live where it snows a lot, dedicated winter tires. Go to tirerack.com the easy to use shopping tools will give you a personalized tire recommendation. The right tires for how and what and where you drive. Full lineup of Falken tires shipped fast and free and backed by two years of free road hazard protection. Go to TireRack.com Dan and see the Falken test results and special offers. TireRack.com there's thousands of recommended installers nationwide offering the convenience of mobile tire installation as well. Great tires, great deals, great people. What more could you ask for? Tirerack.com dan the way tire buying should be Final hour on this Monday here in New Orleans. We'll talk to Brian Windhorst to the Mothership and Big Mike and Little Mike Golick will stop by as well. More phone calls. We'll try to get to those as we always do every Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, you can download the app. If you haven't done so. Our radio affiliates iHeartradio, Fox Sports Radio, over 400 cities carrying this program. Also, you can check out our YouTube channel as well. 877-3DP show the big news, obviously what the Mavericks and the Lakers did. So we'll talk to Wendy about that. Super bowl week underway. It's media night tonight. These teams are savvy enough to know there's probably not going to be. Now there might be questions. I don't know if there'll be answers that will garner any headlines. Chip Kelly quietly leaves Ohio State for the Raiders offensive coordinator John which was surprising as well. Poll question for the final hour before we get to Brian Windhorst, Seton what are we going to go with? It might be right there.
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Bobby Bones
Would you rather work for Ohio State or the Raiders?
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Justin Penick
Okay, both of them are great jobs. All right, we'll get phone phone calls coming up. Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle it DP show busy man. Brian Winhorse. Kind enough to join us, ESPN Senior NBA rider. Your reaction when you got that text or tweet was what? Brian?
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Brian Windhorst
Well, there was nothing. I mean when I say nothing, I had no indication at all. You know, very rarely are people in my business totally surprised by a transaction. A lot of times we can't say everything we know. A lot of times we don't see all four corners of it. So we'll hear something come out and we'll go, ah, I see the pieces fall in place, place. It is very unusual that there's a transaction like this that comes clear out of the blue. There was nothing zero in the world, in our world about this. And I think as far as I, and I believe the people are telling me, I mean I, you know, reserve the right to say I have new information, but I don't think the players knew either. I really, really don't believe that. I know that that's hard to believe, but that's how rare of an instance this is. And we're also talking about a situation where two in their prime star players are traded for each other. That does not happen in the history of the NBA. There's never been a current all NBA player traded for a current all NBA player in the middle of the season. We have definitely seen star players get traded. We have definitely seen shock star players get traded. We've never seen star for star like this. It also would involve the number one most popular franchise in, in the NBA and one of the most in the world. So the sequence of one off events here is pretty remarkable.
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Justin Penick
Okay, but do we know the why? Like why did this happen?
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Brian Windhorst
Yeah, so I know that people, I know that there's a desire to say there must be more to it and I can't, I don't have all of it. I can't say that there that there isn't. But I honestly believe the Mavericks came to a decision after really going through a frustrating year with Luca. It has been a very frustrating year. And just to reset that they're coming off the finals, Luka comes to camp and immediately gets hurt. Now, I'm not a doctor, I don't know everything about that injury, but I think they were frustrated that he had that injury and they thought that Maybe he wasn't necessarily ready for camp. After he gets that injury, he gets out of shape. Out of shape to the point that when he comes back and plays healthy with the injury, they say he's shut down for a hand injury. And he, he was injured with that, but he also was getting in better shape that, you know, when he came back, he, he had allowed himself to get more, more out of shape, comes back, starts playing well again, and then repeats the injury. And again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to tell you that that was physical conditioning, but I suspect that they felt that they were not thrilled with the conditioning. So they go through a very frustrating year. But it's on top of other frustrations they had. And this summer he's gonna be in position to sign a $350 million supermax contract. Now, most of the time, teams celebrate when a player qualifies for this. The Oklahoma City Thunder, for example. Shea Gildas Alexander has qualified for the Supermax. I believe he's eligible to sign it at 6pm on June 30. I promise you the paperwork will be at his, in his hands. Whether or not he signs it. I'm sure he will. When he signs, I don't know. But I'm promising you the Thunder are going to fall all over themselves to get this guy locked up for that $300 million deal. Jason Tatum, they were ready to go with the $300 million deal. They couldn't have been more excited to get this guy locked up. The whole purpose of that being in the CBA is so that you have a superstar player, he is outrageously incentivized to the tune of 100 plus million dollars to stay with your team. It is basically the Kevin durant rule, the LeBron James rule, so that those guys will not leave for nothing. And even if you weren't 150% sure you wanted to give him the money, the conventional wisdom would be you give him the kind contract anyway so that if you want to trade him, you trade him with the five years on the contract so that the player can't leverage you in a trade. That's what happened with Dame Lillard. Lillard signs his five year contract, then the Blazers trade him so that he couldn't say, you got to trade me to Miami. They can trade him to the best place, which was Milwaukee, in that case. Okay? And so to the, for the Mavericks to do this now, it means that they didn't even want to enter into that contract with him. And it also means that they thought that they could do better this season now with Anthony Davis, that they think that if they did this season, they did this deal now, that they could make a better run in the playoffs. And so it's a high level, shocking and complete repudiation of Luka Doncic as a superstar franchise player. And it results, results in this trade, which is going to be a historic sliding doors moment, I think.
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Justin Penick
Okay, well then give me the upside and the downside for the Lakers.
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Brian Windhorst
So the Lakers, first off, the Lakers had a succession problem. LeBron is 40 years old. Whether he's got a year or two left, he's on his way out. He is no longer, you know, a first team all NBA player. Anthony Davis is there, but he's aging too. And I would say that while I am a big, gigantic believer in that, when you win a championship, it means never having to say you're sorry. And they have a championship, they have a banner. And so. But the LeBron AD partnership, it hasn't been a glorious, unmitigated success. It's been a success they should have. No regrets, no looking back back. But it hasn't gone the way that the hopes and dreams were. So they had this challenge of how do they move on from abroad at some point, how do they get their next star? And I thought that would be a problem for two years from now. This falls into their lap and they have to say yes. The direction of the franchise was not let's try to acquire luka doncic in 2025. It fell into their lap. They had to say yes. I know that there's been a thought. Well, was there an issue with LeBron and AD was there an issue with AD and JJ Reddick? Was there an issue? No. The phone rang and they said, do you want Luka Doncic? The answer is yes. And not only that, while you are, you are recognizing that you are acquiring a player the other team is giving up on, they can now sign him to a contract this summer. Dan, that's a hundred million dollars less than what the, what it would cost the Mavericks because he will not qualify for the supermax. And you get a 25 year old megastar on a quote unquote discount. He does have issues, warts, whatever. It's an absolute no brainer for the Lakers. They had to say yes. If they didn't say yes, everybody in the organization should have been fired. So that's where they are. That's where they are going forward. They are in a different reality now than they were fighting days ago. Their Team is different. They got problems. They had to fix their roster, but they're no longer thinking about LeBron and AD. They're now thinking about number 77 going forward.
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Justin Penick
We're talking to Brian Windhorst, ESPN senior NBA writer. I couldn't help but think of David Stern with David Stern. Have green lighted this.
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Brian Windhorst
Oh, absolutely. Because he saw it as an opportunity to get Luke Luka Doncic into the Lakers for the next 10 years. I mean, I'm hearing from like, I was talking to some NBA executives yesterday and they're like, Jesus Christ, the freaking Lakers. Like, blah, blah, blah. And you know, and they're like, your bosses probably love it. And I go, you're damn right that's true. And so the opportunity for the Lakers to, you know, and this has happened throughout our whole lives, you know, Will Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul, Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal. I mean, forget about the guys they drafted. Forget about Kobe and Matt, like, you know, worthy. We're talking about guys that mid career LeBron Paul, Paul Gasol, mid career, arrived in LA, however it happened, and has labeled the franchise to continue its run of dominance. I was talking to one executive yesterday, not from the Clippers, and he was like, man, I feel for the Clippers today. They're about ready to get rid of LeBron. They've got this gorgeous arena. You know, they're establishing their own franchise. They're having this really positive. They're neck and neck. They're about to pass the Lakers in the standings. If they win tomorrow, they're playing here in la. And then they get hit with this right hook that Luka Doncic is now going to be a Laker for the next decade. So. But I do think on. On the whole, on the, on the balance, maybe not to somebody in Oklahoma City or Minneapolis, it's an incredible development for the league with the belief that Luca fulfills his potential, which is what the Mavericks are saying they don't think will happen.
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Justin Penick
Bigger shock when Jordan went to play baseball or this Luca Anthony Davis deal.
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Brian Windhorst
Geez, Dan, you'd be better to answer that. I mean, when Jordan went to play baseball, it was one of those things that was so crazy. I mean, people to this day are still trying to come up with a conspiracy theory for that. That was a bigger shock, I guess, because Magic too, Michael was in his career, middle of his career, and he went to go play minor league baseball. But this is a bigger shock in terms of what the effect that it had. Well, my effect on the league isn't Even accurate, I guess. Jordan was a bigger shock. But now we get to watch these players still play. Jordan left the league. The league, you know, was. Was hurting from it.
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Justin Penick
This.
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Brian Windhorst
The league, in theory, can benefit from it.
- [86:08]
Justin Penick
I know you're busy. Thanks for making time.
- [86:11]
Brian Windhorst
Thanks, Dan. Have a great week out there.
- [86:13]
Justin Penick
That's Brian Windhorst, ESPN senior NBA writer. Paulie says we have an emergency. Fill in the Blank game. And it's NFL news.
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Milo
NFL breaking news. Okay, are you ready, Dan?
- [86:25]
Justin Penick
Okay, fill in the blank. Blank emergency. Does this rival Luca to the Lakers, Paulie?
- [86:31]
Milo
No, but it's really high up there in the football world. You're the only contestant in this game. Okay, Blank has requested a trade from Blank. Blank has requested a trade from Blank. Big time football player.
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Justin Penick
Okay, Blank.
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Milo
Here's the hint. He's frustrated because he's not playing in big time AFC title.
- [86:53]
Justin Penick
Lamar Jackson has asked to be traded.
- [86:56]
Milo
No, not. Not a tick below that.
- [86:58]
Justin Penick
Joe Burrow has asked to be traded.
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Milo
Not an offensive player.
- [87:03]
Justin Penick
Miles Garrett has asked to be traded.
- [87:06]
Milo
Miles. Miles Garrett has requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. He put out a statement less than five minutes ago thanking the town. All I want to do is play in the Super Bowl. With that said, I'm officially requesting a trade from the Cleveland Brown Browns.
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Justin Penick
Did he just realize that the Browns suck? Like, did he think they were going to get better? Yeah, Seaton. Yeah, I think he did think they were going to get better. Yes. Yes. I think I give him a lot of credit for sticking it out this long. Like, he tried. He really did. He tried. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
And time is ticking.
- [87:36]
Justin Penick
Yeah, I'm getting the hell out of here. But didn't they say that no matter what number of draft picks you give, they weren't going to give up? Miles Garrett wasn't like you can give two number two first round picks. Yes, Paul, I think I could quickly.
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Milo
Make the case that this might be a good day for the Cleveland Browns if they could find a way out of Deshaun Watson's contract, which I have the feeling they're going to with some of the things he's been doing in the offseason without a walking boot.
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Justin Penick
Maybe.
- [88:00]
Milo
And if they get a haul for Miles Garrett, they could be set up for the future. Now, what they do, those draft picks, as you always said, Dan, is the base of it. But they got the best of Miles Garrett. They're not going anywhere anytime soon. Soon. Might as well get the huge price for him.
- [88:16]
Justin Penick
Yeah. And by the way, people have asked are, am I going to talk About Justin Tucker the way I did Deshaun Watson. I said I would talk about the football part of this. That's the most important part for me in what we do. It is looking worse. More people are coming out. If there's lawsuits here, will he be, you know, released by the Raven? Like, I'm not going to try this case. But it's the same thing with Deshaun Watson. Is it going to lead to him getting another job? Where's he going to go? What do you get in return for him? Those are all the things that we covered. If Justin Tucker's guilty of this and he has to, you know, pay laws, whatever it is, you know, fine, I'll cover that. I have to cover the football part of this. That's what we do here. It's not Court tv. And I will cover this the way that we did Deshaun Watson. I did not get caught up in all the other ancillary stuff there. But Miles Garrett, looking at the future there with the Cleveland Browns, they're going to have another quarterback. I don't think DeSean Watson ever plays for them again. And you start to wonder in that. In that division. You know, Baltimore still good. Bengals are good. Steelers still going to be formidable as well. And the Cleveland Browns are going to be the Cleveland Browns. Yes. Yes. Marvin. Miles Garrett has a real Dame Lillard quality to him.
- [89:33]
Bobby Bones
Him like he tried.
- [89:34]
Justin Penick
He tried to make it work with this franchise that wasn't doing great.
- [89:37]
Bobby Bones
And you know what?
- [89:38]
Justin Penick
I gotta move on and try to, you know, broaden my horizons and try to get to a Super bowl because he's one of those players that you don't see. You have to go out of your way to watch him. And then you'll hear other players say, you know, he's best defensive player. He's unstoppable. He means all these things. We just don't get to see him on a big stage. We got to see Aaron Donald win a Super bowl and his play, the last play of that game. Game, help them win a Super Bowl. Like that's what you want. You want great players playing in big moments. Yes, Marv. Yeah.
- [90:07]
Bobby Bones
Because right now, if you're not a.
- [90:09]
Justin Penick
Big time football fan, he's a snap your fingers guy. Like, you know who else is really good? Who's. Who's my guy from. From Cleveland. Yeah. And he doesn't want to be that. Yeah. I don't blame him. Yes.
- [90:20]
Milo
Paulie, I love that we've spent last hour talking about huge football historical trades and this one happens during our show. This guy's five time all pro in the past five years. He's 29 years old and he's showing no signs of decline. What's he worth?
- [90:37]
Justin Penick
I don't know.
- [90:38]
Bobby Bones
I don't know.
- [90:38]
Justin Penick
The Goalix will join us. I'll ask them. I mean, is it two first round picks and a player and can the.
- [90:44]
Bobby Bones
Lakers grab him too?
- [90:47]
Milo
Mavericks love this.
- [90:48]
Justin Penick
If the Mavericks were running the rounds and, and do you want Miles Garrett too? And I've seen Miles play basketball. He's a really good basketball player. All right, we'll get the phone calls. The Golics will join us on this Monday. We'll take a break. We're back after this on the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 to noon Eastern or 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Dan Patrick show at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR that time of the year the big game is coming up. Let's say you want to trash talk with your buddies. Let's say you're in one city and you got a friend in another city. You're rooting for the Chiefs. He's rooting for the Eagles. Pick up your rapid radio, the walkie talkie. Not your average, not your ordinary walkie talkie. The official walkie talkie of the DP Show. One touch of a button, you can connect great communication device with your kids after school. Let's say they're there for practice. You can say, hey, just press the button. Let me know when you want me to pick you up. How about an aging parent struggles with their phone. They can use the rapid radio Walkie talkies. One touch of a button. Not your average walkie talkies. So you push the button, connect with your friends, family, neighbors. It's one touch connection. Rapid radios work on a nationwide LTE network. Network but no subscription. It's just walkie talkies with the ease of today's technology. And rapid radios are a great communication device for Everybody. They are 100% private, ready to go right out of the box. You got rapidradios.com now the French kid and Seton went down to New Orleans. I could stay in touch with them on the road by just pressing a button while they're doing their road trip. The big German going to New Orleans and what did I do? I said take a rapid radio with you and I'll connect with you and I've been doing that. You can do the same thing and now's the time to get the Rapid Radio. For a limited time go to rapidradios.com you'll get up to 60% off free UPS shipping from Michigan. Also a free protection bag and if you add code radio get an extra 5% off. Stay connected with your family and friends with the touch of a button when you watch your team play with Rapid Radio Walkie Talkies. The official walkie Talkies of the Dan Patrick Show. You'll love them and they hold a charge up to five days. Rapid radios go to rapidradios.com and once again get up to 60% off free UPS shipping from Michigan plus free protection bag add code radio get an extra 5% off@rapidradios.com in the NFL, there's no margin for error. One mistake can change the outcome of a game. Science proves quality sleep can help boost reaction time, recovery time, overall athletic performance as the official Sleep and Wellness Partner of the National Football League, Sleep Number's mission is to provide players with data and insights to optimize their sleep for the ultimate competitive edge. And did you know 80% of NFL players have a Sleep Number Smart Bed? I've been partnering with sleep number since 2008. My sleep number setting is 75 and sleep plays such an important role in recovery and we're all unique in what we need from our beds plus Sleep Number Smart Beds the best beds for couples because you can individualize each side of the bed. Why choose a Sleep Number Smart Bed So you can choose your ideal comfort on either side of the bed and now save 50% on the new Sleep Number Limited Edition Smart Bed Limited Time exclusively at a Sleep Number store near you. C store or sleepnumber.com Patrick for details. What's the future hold for business? You can ask nine experts and you'll get 10 answers. Bull market Bear market Inflation up down. You need somebody to help you well over 41,000 businesses have future proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one Cloud ERP unified business management suite. One source of truth giving you the visibility and control that you need to make quick decisions. Real time insights and forecasting. You'll be peering into the future future with actionable data. Now. Whether your company is earning millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you respond to immediate challenges and seize your biggest opportunities. Speaking of opportunity, download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com Patrick the guide is free for you at netsuite.com Patrick that's netsuite.com Good luck.
- [95:27]
Tyler
If you're serious about investing, you need to know about public.com that's where you can invest in stocks, options, bonds and cryptocurrency. You'll get some of the highest yields in the industry like the bond accounts 6% or higher yield that remains locked in even if the Fed cuts rates. What sets Public apart is they give you the tools you need to make informed investment decisions. Their built in AI tool called Alpha Alpha doesn't just tell you if an asset is moving, it tells you why the asset is moving so you can understand what's driving your portfolio's performance. Public is a FINRA registered SIPC insured US based company with a customer support team. Bottom line, your investments deserve a sophisticated platform. Fund Your account in 5 minutes or less@Public.com today paid for by Public Investing. All investing involves the risk of loss, including a loss of principal. Brokerage services for U.S. listed registered securities, options and bonds in a self directed account are offered by Public Investing Incorporated member FINRA and SIPC. Cryptocurrency trading services are offered by Bakkt Crypto Solutions LLC. Complete disclosures available@public.com Disclosures I'm not a.
- [96:40]
Justin Penick
Weatherman, but I'll give you my forecast. Snow and ice coming and it's not good. Thankfully, the experts at Tire Rack know a thing or two about conquering winter's worst. You got rain and sleet and slush. Whatever the winter means to you, Tire Rack has a tire that will elevate your driving experience all season tires, all weather tires, and if you live where it snows, a whole lot. Dedicated winter tires. Go to tirerack.com the easy to use shopping tools will guide you to a personalized tire recommendation that means the right tires for how and what and where you drive. Choose from the full lineup of Yokohama tires, ship fast and free and backed by two years of free road hazard protection. Go to tirerack.com dan see the Yokohama test results and special offers and Tire Rack has thousands of recommended installers and they offer the convenience of mobile tire installation as well. Recapping great tires, great deals, great people. What more could you ask for? Tirerack.com dan the way tire buying should be we go to dinner last night. On the way to dinner, Paulie's telling me about how great the flag football game was. Nfc, afc. I said I just can't, Paul. I can't.
- [97:55]
Milo
I don't know if I use the word great. Shockingly decent. It was competitive and fun and they had a lot of fun micing up people in comparison to the last few actual Pro Bowls with physicality air quotes.
- [98:07]
Justin Penick
Yeah, it was.
- [98:08]
Bobby Bones
It was fun.
- [98:08]
Milo
It was light hearted.
- [98:09]
Justin Penick
The NFC did win over the afc and they won the Pro bowl games. They also won the relay race and the tug of war. AFC won the punt perfect event as well. Case, you're just joining us, where have you been? Miles Garrett has asked the Cleveland Browns to trade him. I thought the Cleveland Browns said that no matter what you gave them, gave him a couple of first round draft picks, they wouldn't be trading him, but he just made that public and sent out a statement, basically saying goodbye to the Cleveland Browns and the city of Cleveland. Next up is the Golicks, the father son team known for their football and great job on their DraftKings podcast. One of them seems to be getting smaller as he gets older. The other one, not so much. Here's Mike Golick and Mike Golic Jr. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [99:10]
Mike Golick Sr.
That's some great writing right there. Great writing.
- [99:13]
Justin Penick
Appreciate that.
- [99:14]
Mike Golick Sr.
Thanks.
- [99:14]
Justin Penick
Accurate. Accurate.
- [99:16]
Mike Golick Jr.
No, you know, not wrong. Especially not this week.
- [99:18]
Justin Penick
But, you know, he goes by Big Mike and you're bigger than Big Mike.
- [99:23]
Mike Golick Jr.
And the, the worst part about working with my dad has been the full head of hair and the weight loss. Like as my dad has gotten healthier. Who wouldn't want that for their parent, right? Doing well late in life as my dad goes to his remaining years and is taking as good a care of himself as he can.
- [99:38]
Justin Penick
Remaining years? Yeah.
- [99:40]
Mike Golick Jr.
You know.
- [99:41]
Justin Penick
Are you in hospice?
- [99:42]
Mike Golick Sr.
Oh, my God. Well, I mean, what are you.
- [99:44]
Justin Penick
Is he.
- [99:44]
Mike Golick Sr.
He's leading. I have a leash on like the kids in the, in the mall. Yeah, he puts a leash on me.
- [99:49]
Mike Golick Jr.
Miles, on this expedition that, you know, he's.
- [99:52]
Mike Golick Sr.
He talks so much better than I ever talked. He's smarter than I ever was. My only comeback whenever he rips me is live hair.
- [99:59]
Mike Golick Jr.
It goes to the well on that early and often.
- [100:02]
Bobby Bones
It works.
- [100:02]
Mike Golick Sr.
It was really sick.
- [100:03]
Justin Penick
Yeah. If you fought right now.
- [100:05]
Mike Golick Sr.
Oh, tell. Tell them about when it. When it. The changeover.
- [100:10]
Mike Golick Jr.
This was Easter, I think my junior year of college. So I'm, you know, 295, best shape of my life. Dad, kids. I mean, double digit shoulder surgeries in. And he's begun the weight loss journey. But we're back at my grandmother's house, the house he grew up in in Willowick, Ohio. And we had gone back and forth and he had always said whenever you think you're ready for it? We'll go out there and he's a former collegiate wrestler, so he said, we'll go out there and we'll see if he can get up from off the mat. We did it in his front yard in jeans and polos after my grandmother had cooked us Easter brunch, and I embarrassed him in front of his entire childhood neighborhood.
- [100:44]
Mike Golick Sr.
He did.
- [100:44]
Justin Penick
He did.
- [100:45]
Mike Golick Sr.
In front of the whole neighborhood. Yeah. That was it. That was it.
- [100:49]
Justin Penick
Washington.
- [100:49]
Mike Golick Sr.
He knows all the weak spots.
- [100:51]
Justin Penick
Well, that has to be. Howie Long probably had this same moment.
- [100:54]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yes, exactly.
- [100:55]
Justin Penick
With his voice.
- [100:56]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yes. Oh, I'm sure he did. It's just a matter of when it changed over. If you ask how he's going to say it never changed over, but we know it does.
- [101:03]
Justin Penick
He probably had that, that, that horseshoe.
- [101:06]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yeah, it's exactly there. That dude looks so good in a uniform.
- [101:10]
Justin Penick
Yeah, he does.
- [101:11]
Mike Golick Sr.
I, I, we were both D lineman, and that's where the, that's where the, the sameness ends.
- [101:15]
Justin Penick
All right. Miles Garrett, speaking of defensive lineman, has basically said goodbye to the city of Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns. What's he worth on the open market?
- [101:24]
Mike Golick Sr.
Oh, my gosh. I mean, remember when he came in the league and there were, there were executives that thought he was too philosophical to be a dog in the league?
- [101:33]
Mike Golick Jr.
Like dinosaurs.
- [101:34]
Mike Golick Sr.
I mean, unbelievable. Well, the thing about it is, Dan, is how much power does an NFL player have? We know basketball players have power, but how much power does an NFL. He has years left on his contract, so how much power can he actually wield? It's going to have to be the business decision on the side of the Browns to say, do we want to just force him to stay or do we want to say, okay, he wants to be gone, get the best deal we can get.
- [101:58]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [101:59]
Mike Golick Jr.
I mean, he's got to be worth, you know, I mean, as close to quarterback prices and trades, where you're talking about first rounders or multiple, especially because you said big, they've got control. If you've got him and you've got three years left on a deal and he's in the prime of his career, a player like that, who is in, you know, it's, it's him. Micah Parsons, TJ Watt is these guys that are true game records that every offensive coordinator has to spend the first and last moments of their meetings talking about, there's really not a price too high to pay. I think at this point, for a.
- [102:27]
Justin Penick
Guy like, where does Jalen Carter come into that conversation with these defensive linemen?
- [102:32]
Mike Golick Sr.
Jalen Carter has entered superstar status. You know, that was kind of Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, obviously, before he left. Chris Jones lining up a D tackle, also at edge on third downs. But Jalen Carter is. What he does, what Chris Jones does. They play on the other side of the line. And that. That's what I mean. God. God rest his soul. Guy played with Jerome Brown as an interior D lineman, played on the other side of the line, and it always doesn't show up in stats.
- [102:58]
Justin Penick
What do you mean, the other side of the line?
- [103:00]
Mike Golick Sr.
He plays on the offensive, in the offensive backfield, makes penetration.
- [103:03]
Justin Penick
Okay.
- [103:04]
Mike Golick Sr.
It will make penetration on the center or the guard.
- [103:07]
Justin Penick
And it doesn't get sacks.
- [103:08]
Mike Golick Sr.
Well, get. And the thing is about it, sacks is kind of outdated now. It's pressures. It's. It's for. It's. It's pressure shows up in the stat book, but it's also on a running attack, if you make a running back go east and west and he can't go downhill, that doesn't show up in a stat book. But everybody on film knows it, especially the interior offensive lineman.
- [103:29]
Mike Golick Jr.
And we kind of went through that in the run game a little bit. I forget who it was over at ESPN analytics that kind of tried to do that. Hey, maybe Aaron Donald's actually not as good of a run defender as you all thought. And we all promptly sent that one back. And I love, you know, Seth Walder and those guys do a phenomenal job, but we're like, maybe we've overcooked this a little bit too much.99s in the opposing backfield with that color showing up almost every other play. And Jaylen Carter's kind of there, and he's got a little bit more like, sand in his pants. Like, that's a guy. And when Aaron Donald comes out and says, I think he told the Sean McCoy boy, that's the new me. Like, the next me has arrived in the NFL. That's really all you need to know.
- [104:02]
Mike Golick Sr.
Unreal.
- [104:02]
Justin Penick
And sand in your pants is just.
- [104:04]
Mike Golick Jr.
A little more weight. A little more weight.
- [104:06]
Mike Golick Sr.
Letting your pencil lead your pencil.
- [104:13]
Mike Golick Jr.
That's a family show.
- [104:14]
Mike Golick Sr.
That's a. That's the front area. We're talking about the back area here.
- [104:18]
Justin Penick
That would be on the show. Get up. Come on now.
- [104:25]
Bobby Bones
Degrass is here.
- [104:27]
Justin Penick
Holy smokes.
- [104:28]
Mike Golick Sr.
What are you sending this show? Mike, what are you doing? Yeah, that one clip.
- [104:33]
Mike Golick Jr.
That one.
- [104:33]
Mike Golick Sr.
The youngster said it.
- [104:34]
Justin Penick
Wait, so which one's Big Mike?
- [104:36]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yeah, baby, Go ahead.
- [104:39]
Justin Penick
Mike Golick, senior and junior here, host of Gojo and golick on DraftKings Network here the team more likely to blow out the other team in the Super.
- [104:50]
Mike Golick Sr.
Well I, I think it's Kansas City. Even though they've won double digit one score games, they have the ability with Mahomes, with Xavier Worthy who's can be a home run every time he touches a ball. I think to get that two to three score lead. I don't think they will. I'm actually going in Philadelphia, with Philadelphia in this game. God knows why I'm betting against Kansas City.
- [105:10]
Justin Penick
I mean haven't we learned though, didn't we do this with Brady all the time?
- [105:15]
Mike Golick Sr.
Here's the thing I care about. I only have a, a few more years in this business. What the hell does it matter in life?
- [105:21]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [105:21]
Justin Penick
Well, yeah.
- [105:22]
Mike Golick Sr.
According to Mike.
- [105:23]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [105:23]
Mike Golick Sr.
I'm in hospice.
- [105:24]
Milo
Yeah.
- [105:25]
Mike Golick Sr.
So. But I do think that Kansas City has more of the ability to blow off.
- [105:29]
Mike Golick Jr.
See I would actually go opposite. I'm picking Kansas City to win the game. But if you ask me game script wise, who would be in a position I think it's Philly, just all the.
- [105:36]
Justin Penick
Talent on that roster.
- [105:37]
Mike Golick Jr.
I think between Saquon Barkley and the home run threat there and what we saw me in the NFC championship round, A.J. brown kind of reminding everyone there were points early in this season when even amid Saquon Barkley's, you know, MVP caliber year, people were like that might be the most important player on the team when it's all said and done. So I, I think they'd be the team that would be more likely to. If this thing went away and went sideways, it would be because they put their foot.
- [105:59]
Mike Golick Sr.
You're wrong.
- [106:00]
Justin Penick
Okay.
- [106:01]
Mike Golick Jr.
Nailed it.
- [106:02]
Justin Penick
Flawless victory.
- [106:03]
Mike Golick Sr.
It's my analysis he's wrong.
- [106:05]
Justin Penick
If Saquon Barkley doesn't win the mvp, will a running back win an MVP in our lifetime? Now your lifetime is not that much longer.
- [106:12]
Mike Golick Sr.
I was going to say I got a couple more Super Bowls in me.
- [106:15]
Justin Penick
Let's say the Next. This year, 10 years. Will a running back win the MVP?
- [106:19]
Mike Golick Sr.
I mean you look at was the year of the running back change in teams from Henry to Saquon to Joe Mixon to Josh Jacobs. But I don't think the value is going to increase in the contracts because of it. I don't, I don't think so. I think Saquon is the one. Unless Derrick Henry has another now, he's going to be over 30 next year. Unless Baltimore finally reaches a Super bowl and he has another year like he had. He in my eyes would be the Only one. Unless you get a big back that catches the ball out of the backfield like a Christian McAffrey. If he's ever, ever healthy again.
- [106:49]
Justin Penick
This is the perfect, perfect story. Giants don't want him. We see it on TV unfold right before our very eyes. He goes to the Eagles and that offensive. He changed their offense.
- [107:01]
Mike Golick Sr.
Oh, without question.
- [107:03]
Justin Penick
He rushed for 2,000 yards. Now, I know Lamar was great and Josh was great as well, but if you like value is such a weird word. Yeah, if I, it feels like the value of what he did for that Eagles team and Jalen hurts 2,000 yards. I think if he had gotten the record then I think people would have, it would have been easier for the voters to go. Well, he did set the.
- [107:29]
Mike Golick Sr.
I think if he were. I said on the show if he'd have gotten the record, he'd get the mvp. Okay, I, I thought he would have got the MVP over Lamar, who I think.
- [107:36]
Justin Penick
But he chose not to get the mvp.
- [107:38]
Mike Golick Sr.
He, he, he chose and the team kind of said it was the right decision. It was a. And if there's a record that can go down in the Super Bowl, Mike and I talked about it this morning. It's either three rushing touchdowns where you could tie or about three or four guys have it because you saw Saquon and Jalen both get three touchdowns in the championship game. But how about the, the rushing record, 204 yards. Timmy Smith back in Super Bowl. What, 22 for you youngsters that, that will not, you know, remember.
- [108:04]
Bobby Bones
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [108:05]
Justin Penick
Fritz, he remembers.
- [108:06]
Tyler
It was 10 nothing Broncos in that game.
- [108:08]
Mike Golick Sr.
Yeah, yeah, but, but 204 yards. Now, I don't know if Saquon will.
- [108:11]
Justin Penick
Get, he's going to get Terrell Davis's all time single season.
- [108:15]
Mike Golick Sr.
He needs 29 yards, I think for that.
- [108:17]
Justin Penick
Yeah, 39 yards time.
- [108:18]
Mike Golick Sr.
I mean it's, it's something to Dan's.
- [108:20]
Mike Golick Jr.
Original question, I'll say, yes, we will. Like I wouldn't have thought so before, but we've kind of seen the pendulum swing back. Right. We're five years removed from. This is a pace in space league. It's like the new SEC west where hey, everyone that we thought was playing this physical brand of football before turned it into 11 personnel nickel defenses. And then everyone said, oh wait a minute, everyone got really light on defense. Let's go and run it right down their throat. And so you combine that, I think reinvesting inside the trenches for a lot of people with an influx of young running back talented like Bijan Robinson. In a couple years could be in that situation. If things don't materialize in Atlanta, maybe he's a guy that the team in the right spot with the right line goes for. I mean, we're getting ready to watch one of them right now come out in the NFL draft this year. So you've got a few young guys that could be in that position talent wise to, if they land in the right situation. Breakthrough.
- [109:07]
Justin Penick
When we look at, you know, LeBron will never be greater than Michael Jordan in people's eyes, but can Patrick Mahomes be greater than Tom? Brad, there's not this love affair for Brady that they're. The admiration, the fandom for Mike was different. Oh, but, you know, can Mahomes be looked at as better? What's he have to do to be better than Tom Brady?
- [109:26]
Mike Golick Sr.
Listen, I, I think, I think two things. I mean, you think of the Patriots, how they were run by Belichick, nobody said anything. And you look Kansas City. They're fun.
- [109:36]
Minnie Driver
Andy Reid.
- [109:37]
Mike Golick Sr.
Andy Reid, I hate to go away from your question. Andy Reid is going to be the winningest coach in the NFL. He's going to pass Don Shula. He needs 47 wins. 12 and four years. He can do that. He needs three wins to pass Belichick for most playoff wins. He's going to be the winningest coach. Pat, while I disagree with, with it, quarterback and super bowl are joined at the hip. The number you win, so. And the number you lose, kind of like, you know, LeBron with the number he's lost as opposed to Jordan not losing any. So I, I think Mahomes can reach Toms because he's, what, 28? And I mean, I, I think he could reach Tom's level for sure.
- [110:14]
Justin Penick
I thought he has to get to that number.
- [110:16]
Mike Golick Sr.
I, I think he has.
- [110:17]
Mike Golick Jr.
I don't think so.
- [110:18]
Mike Golick Sr.
I, I don't. I think he could get to a little less, but if he gets there, I think he's going to have. Have it. But they're just more fun.
- [110:24]
Bobby Bones
Now.
- [110:24]
Mike Golick Sr.
We are getting Kansas City chief fatigue, right? Kind of like Tiger woods fatigue, Golden State fatigue. You know, you're kind of hoping somebody else wins, but, I mean, they're, they're a dynasty.
- [110:35]
Mike Golick Jr.
I forget who I had the conversation with, but I think our introduction to Pat was so different than with Tom. Like, they shock drop Pat on us. We got the 07 Patriots right out of the gate with this version of Kansas City. And now we're getting to like, the early 01, 02 ones where it's more Grinded out like the career arc's different. So even now as defense, last year was the story for this team, and this year it's been, you know, poison, close moments and still a lot of the defense leaning on it. Like, Pat's going to get a lot of that credit because he showed us early on he's the reason why everything goes around there. So I don't think it's going to take matching that same number or leaving the way Tom did at the end to beat all that. I think if Pat's close based on the ability. Ability, because he gives us that Aaron Rodgers ability. Like you guys remember, we had that conversation all the time. The best of all time versus the greatest of all time, because Brady had all the accomplishment, but Aaron Rodgers had all the ability. We got the dude with both now. So if you're just close, I think they'll give that tie to him.
- [111:29]
Justin Penick
And I. It's weird that I thought about Joe Montana for such a long period of time. You see him walking down the street, you'd say that's the greatest quarterback of all time. Tom comes along now, he loses that identity. Now Patrick Mahomes comes along, he goes down the totem pole there a little bit. It's. It's kind of. And he never lost, but still, it's one of those where you lose your identity a little bit.
- [111:58]
Mike Golick Sr.
And. And you see, Jordan didn't. Jordan is 6 and. Oh, and Jordan's still the top dog. Joe Montana. Maybe it's our age, Dan, maybe Joe's. Because he's our age, you know, according to Mike. And, you know, losing the identity.
- [112:08]
Mike Golick Jr.
I was talking about Dan. I was talking about you.
- [112:09]
Mike Golick Sr.
Oh, yeah, Dan.
- [112:11]
Mike Golick Jr.
Young, spry, full of life.
- [112:13]
Bobby Bones
Wow.
- [112:14]
Justin Penick
Yeah.
- [112:14]
Mike Golick Sr.
But you're right about Joe. He just keeps. Keeps falling down the totem pole a little bit.
- [112:18]
Mike Golick Jr.
Joe seems to be doing all right, though. Every year, Notre Dame comes out with a new partner with some liquor company, and Joe's the face of it every year.
- [112:24]
Mike Golick Sr.
Feeling bad for Joe.
- [112:25]
Mike Golick Jr.
Great.
- [112:26]
Justin Penick
No, but Wright Thompson had a deep dive on Joe Montana, and it's a couple of years ago, but it. It really, really was illuminating that you. So much is attached to your legacy, like who you are, and then all of a sudden you're not that. And I don't know. It just made him. I don't know. And then I talked to him about it and, you know, he's not sharing in his, you know, his awards. They're not around. Right, right. He just. I don't know. And he was all banged up he went through hell with his body. And I don't know for some reason the greater that Mahomes is and Brady has been the like Dan Marino. I think Dan Marino is one of the, you know, you can say influential quarterbacks of all time.
- [113:06]
Mike Golick Sr.
Completely agree.
- [113:07]
Justin Penick
He was doing five wide in the 80s like he was so far ahead of everybody.
- [113:12]
Mike Golick Sr.
Quickest release I played with and against when we were teammates for a year. But that's one of the reasons and I chose not to be one of the greatest players is I I didn't want to then go through losing my identity.
- [113:23]
Justin Penick
Right. Well done.
- [113:30]
Mike Golick Jr.
I will dare not take Follow your dreams, kids. Just set them dangerously low.
- [113:36]
Justin Penick
And your son has followed in your face.
- [113:38]
Mike Golick Sr.
Well, he certainly has.
- [113:39]
Justin Penick
I went even lower.
- [113:40]
Bobby Bones
I was like, you know what the NFL? No, no, no.
- [113:43]
Mike Golick Jr.
Let's, you know, bottom out in college and then call it a day.
- [113:46]
Justin Penick
It's Mike Senior Mike Jr. One's big Mike Mike co host of Gojo and Golic on DraftKings Network. It's great to see you guys. My best to the family.
- [113:55]
Mike Golick Sr.
Thanks. Yours as well.
- [113:56]
Justin Penick
Certainly your wife and we'll come back, we'll close up shop. Last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in store right after this.
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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
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Justin Penick
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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
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Justin Penick
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Bobby Bones
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Justin Penick
Introducing the Athletes First Family Podcast, the Quarterback Series.
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Bobby Bones
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Justin Penick
The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.
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Milo
You get your podcasts.
- [116:10]
Justin Penick
What if you ask two different people the same set of questions?
- [116:13]
Minnie Driver
Even if the questions are the same, our experiences can lead us to drastically different answers.
- [116:18]
Justin Penick
I'm Minnie Driver and I set out to explore this idea in my podcast.
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Minnie Driver
And now Mini Questions is returning for another season. We've asked an entirely new set of.
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Justin Penick
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Minnie Driver
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Justin Penick
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