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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick.
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Chris Collinsworth
Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Dan Patrick
Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody gangs all here, ready to go. My starting five, Fritzi Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly and you there. If you're in your car, in your home or wherever, somewhere in between, you like to join us, you can. On Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. And Mako's been doing it for over 50 years, making your car look a little better. A little tlc. They bring your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs like collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako Poll question, play of the day, Stat of the day, all of that forthcoming Chris Collinsworth from Football Night in America. He will join us coming up a little bit later on. Former college coach, now an analyst for CBS Sports, Rick Newel on what happened this weekend in college and what he thinks will happen this upcoming season. 8, 7, 7, 3 DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls in no particular order. Today, I think America, maybe the world, was rooting for Tommy Fleetwood. Part of me wanted to see Scotty Scheffler put a little pressure on him, but we've seen what happened. So when there's been pressure on Tommy Fleetwood, it usually doesn't end well. But he finally got his first PGA win, and it's a big one. And I was talking to Charles Barkley yesterday afternoon. So Charles called me about something playing golf, and I said, aren't you playing golf now? He goes, I'm watching Tommy Fleetwood. I put a lot of money on Tommy Fleetwood. He better win. And it said, okay, well, you might get one right here. It looks like he's going to hold on. But Fleetwood, it was fun to see because the expectations always been there when you. And that's what's tough. When you have the potential, you have the expectation. It's not like he comes out of nowhere. People have been waiting for him to come, you know, to the forefront. And he did that yesterday and did so in dramatic fashion and got his first win, and that's a big one. College football is underway. Iowa State, Hawaii, UNLV got victories there. NFL preseason is over, and cuts are underway as we speak. We'll come up with a poll question. And by the way, when, you know, we talk about preseason, it's officially behind us now, but the real action is ready to begin. And keep this in mind. Don't take any of it too seriously, because we fall into this trap every preseason. Caleb Williams was supposed to light up the NFL. Marvin Harrison Jr. Was going to be a Jamar Chase, like rookie Kyron Williams with the Rams. We thought he was going to be a punt returner. He ended up getting 1400 yards and $33 million contract in the off season. The point is really simple. With preseason, it's about evaluation, not prophecy. And it feels like we want to project now. We got it all figured out, man. Jackson Dart, and he should be starting. Dylan Gabriel looked great. Maybe he should be the starter in Cleveland. We. We want to. We want to be the first to tell you something. And that's why I always say, just use caution, because the real story starts now on how good these guys are, how good these teams are. And I watched a lot of preseason football the last couple of days, and I still see a tendency with young quarterbacks. This isn't going to be a referendum on Shador Sanders, but I was watching him. What happens with quarterbacks when they come from the college ranks into the NFL. And I'll talk to Rick Neuheisel about this later, because he played the position, coached the position in the NFL. They, these rookie quarterbacks tend to come in and they take longer to get the ball out of their hands. They think they have more time because in college you do, and in college your guy stays open longer. They. They're open in the NFL. They just don't stay open very long. You can get away with a lot, and you get bad habits. I was listening to Brady Quinn and Brady, the former Notre Dame quarterback, and I was listening to him this morning driving in, and he talked about how quarterbacks, young quarterbacks, already rule out one side of the field. When they go back to pass or they're in shotgun, they will turn their hips so their hips are pointing towards the offensive line. So now you've taken away the left side of the field, and you're also holding on to the ball. And this is what we saw this with Shador Sanders at Colorado. Yes, everybody talked about how bad the offensive line was, but now that's not the point here in the NFL. The point is you hold onto the ball too long. He holds onto the ball longer than any quarterback in preseason because you're waiting to make a play. You have to take your losses, you have to get rid of the football. And you get sacked five times, got pulled from the game, although I didn't understand that unless. And my source with the Browns said this to me, what if Kevin Stefanski wanted to see how Shador Sanders would react to getting benched in the final two minutes? And Shador tried to talk his way back into the lineup. So I don't know. Once again, this was being speculated to me by a source, and I said, okay, well, he did want to get back in. He didn't play well. But I don't know what kind of mind games you're playing. He just holds onto the ball too long. Dylan Gabriel, you know, he gets the ball out in rhythm. And when you're playing at Oregon and, you know, quicker, quicker, quicker, quicker. And you saw that, you know, Caleb Williams got the run of the place at USC with Lincoln Riley trying to make a play. Hold on, you can't do that in the NFL. It's so quick and you must react. And. And he watching Shador, he had a guy, his first read a couple of times, didn't throw once you go from, you know, your first to your second, and if you get to a third, chances are you're going to Be on your back. And that's what I saw. That's what I see with these young quarterbacks. And they have to get rid of these bad habits. But when you go back to pass, you must stay with, you know, your body facing the line of scrimmage because now the defense doesn't know if you're going to the left or the right, but they go back to pass and then they've got their hips pointed towards the offensive line. Well, now you're not looking at the left side of the field, and I saw that a couple of times. But Dylan Gabriel has looked better than I think people are going to give him credit for. And I think Jackson Dart has played really well, but I'm not surprised with Jackson Dart. I thought he. Midway through the season, I said, I'm getting a first round grade on this guy and he's played well, but I don't think he's ready to play right now. Shador's not ready to play, but he's probably still going to make the roster. It's. We get caught up in, oh, my gosh, I've got this figured out. And so many times we don't. And that showed once again this weekend where you're watching somebody and you're saying, is that guy good? He was good last week, not this week. Well, are you playing against the first team defense? Are you playing with the starters? There's a lot that goes into it and that's where I think we all want to go. I got that situation figured out. Seaton, what's the poll question today?
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Show Contributor (Possibly Producer or Co-host)
We got a couple here from the. To double D, which is always a huge, huge tree on a Monday morning.
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Dan Patrick
Huge.
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Show Contributor (Possibly Producer or Co-host)
We could start with one real quick, which is a bigger problem. Slow play in golf, Slow play in baseball.
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Dan Patrick
Patrick can't lay. Just hit the freaking ball. Oh, my goodness. Just hit it, dude. Slow play. And I think we've all been around somebody who plays very, very slow. But you're a professional. Like, at some point you would think, hey, I'm pretty locked in. I know what I'm doing. Not let me back away. Let me get over it. Let me stand over it. Let me, let me, let me. Okay, I'm gonna hit it. Oh, Paulie goes, I thought my. My TV froze. I'm watching Patrick Cantlay and I go, oh, damn, my fro. My TV froze. It didn't Patrick Cantlay pull the trigger? Nothing good happens. I don't think when you wait that long, when you're hitting a golf shot, get up There, Set up quick. Remember Sergio. And you gotta eventually get into a quicker rhythm. You've done this millions of times. It's not like us. When we get out there, we're like, damn, I have no idea where this is going. They have a general idea where it's going. Pull the trigger. What else? What else do you have? Seaton.
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Show Contributor (Possibly Producer or Co-host)
Let me see here. Running through to dubs. Were you rooting for Tommy Fleetwood yesterday?
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Dan Patrick
Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I was. Yeah. Just. And this is what. There are a lot of things that I really like about him, starting with his blue eyes. But you know what? And he's got great hair, too. But also, when he's lost, he's talked to the media, he's met with the media. And I appreciate that. You know, Rory is kind of scampered away, and Colin Morikawa. And I think you owe it to the fans. Maybe not the media. Maybe you don't like the media, but the fans are the ones who want to understand we. What happened. They're rooting for you. I think you owe it to the media or the. The fans. The media. We're the conduit here. And the fans are the ones who buy callaway clubs or BMW cars or come out and see you, because without them, then you don't get those endorsements. And Tommy Fleetwood stands up and says exactly how he feels. What happened? And I think that is admirable. I've mentioned this before. Bill Buckner, the ball goes through his legs. And he answered everybody's question after that World Series loss, one of the worst moments in baseball history, and he answered every single question. Mitch Williams gave up the home run to Joe Carter. Toronto won the World Series. Mitch Williams answered everybody's question after that game, after that loss. These are tough situations, but you get paid to be in tough situations. And I think how you respond sometimes says a lot about you. And I. I was rooting for Tommy because he needed this. It's almost like Rory at Augusta. He had played poorly, and all of a sudden, he's just tripping over himself, heading, you know, down the stretch in the final couple holes. And it was like, just let him have this because he can't take, you know, more of this pain, misery. And that's how I felt with Tommy Fleetwood. Certain times. I'm rooting for a situation because it's right for that situation. And Tommy Fleetwood couldn't win anything. Came close a couple of times, did win, and that's what. I loved it. You know, I said to Fritzi, although Fritzi almost gave Him. The jinx. The DP Show Jinx. He goes, what do you think? I'm going to reach out. And now the tournament's not over yet. So the 14th hole, I get a text from Fritzi. And Fritz, he says, hey, you want me to reach out to Tommy Fleetwood? And all of a sudden I go, oh, no. Nepali goes, jinx.
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And I was pulling from. I didn't want to be a jinx, but to discuss inviting him on the show five holes before it's over was a little premature.
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Dan Patrick
Well, okay. But we didn't need to decide then, because nobody's going to talk. Hey, he's going to the 15th. Hey, Todd Fritz wants to know if you can be on the Damn. They don't do that.
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They wouldn't talk to him before?
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Dan Patrick
I don't think so.
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Let's put the bug in his ear just to let him know that we're interested before everything's done. If you happen to win, this is one of the guest opportunities.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, Paul.
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Rick Neuheisel
Tommy Fleetwood has been on the PGA.
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Chris Collinsworth
Tour for 10, actually 11 years. He made $24 million in his first 10 years. Yesterday made $10 million.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. Of the day. This is the start of the day. Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. And I want to have him on. I want to ask him about his. The role that his wife has played. Because when you go home after you lose, there's no cameras. Nobody's, you know, following you, that. It's lonely. And then you really got to sit there and probably give your true feelings. And his. The role that his wife played. I'd love for him to talk about that, because that's usually where you got to find a friend. You got to have somebody that you can kind of just let it out, but, you know, good for him. All right, what other poll questions do we have today? Let's see.
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Show Contributor (Possibly Producer or Co-host)
We've got many more after the break.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, wait. They're teasable. That's how great they are.
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Chris Collinsworth
Dan.
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Dan Patrick
We came out on a Monday.
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Chris Collinsworth
We're ready to play. Every day is a Super Bowl. Let's go.
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Dan Patrick
All right, we'll get to your phone calls. Best and worst of the weekend. Collinsworth will have the Thursday night game. That will be the Eagles and the Cowboys. Still no movement there on Micah Parsons. Still no movement on Trey Hendrickson and no movement on Terry McLaurin. It's going to be a big week. Feels like a big week. And the difference with when you had the contract for Dak Prescott that he agreed to on the day of their first game last season. That's different because he was going to play Micah Parsons. I just don't know if you can go Sunday more or Thursday morning and go, hey, next Thursday, and go, hey, we agreed to a deal. Now go out and play against the Eagles. I think it's a different scenario there. And I always worry about these guys who get in late and then all of a sudden they want to prove if you get a deal or you didn't get a deal, you want to go out there and you play a little extra and that's when you get hurt. But we'll take a break. Phone calls welcome 877 3DP show. We'll talk about college football underway. Iowa State and K State in Dublin, Hawaii against Stanford. I told you that was my favorite game of the weekend. And it turned out to be a great finish there. And the preseason is over. Cuts underway. If anybody of note gets cut, we'll bring that to your attention as well. We're back after this and the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific, on Fox Sports.
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Rick Neuheisel
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
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Dan Patrick
Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Chris Collinsworth
That's it.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Chris Collinsworth
Yeah. First alternate a few times, too.
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Dan Patrick
Does that count?
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Chris Collinsworth
No.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Chris Collinsworth
But that's when it, you know, it's peacock. I can throw that in, you know.
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Dan Patrick
But it meant something back then to be a Pro Bowl.
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Chris Collinsworth
You know, the game was hard back then. I mean, people got. Got ripped. I mean, if you remember, there have been a few plays, just explosive, just kind of shots. But we were playing for real money back then. It was either if you won, you got 10 grand, if you lost, you got 5 grand and you lost money on the week. So that was a deal. I mean, you're playing.
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Dan Patrick
We were playing Chris and Company Sunday Night Football. It'll be on Thursday night. Next Thursday night, Cowboys and the Eagles and 17 seasons as an analyst on the prime time. Howard Cosell is second with 14 seasons in prime time. I didn't know that.
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Chris Collinsworth
Well, that's a sure sign I'm getting old as hell, brother.
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Dan Patrick
Congratulations.
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Chris Collinsworth
I love Howard, though. Did you know him at all? Did you know Howard Sell at all.
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Dan Patrick
Late in his life? I met him a couple of times, and one was kind of a sad moment. He couldn't pour water. He couldn't pour his own water because he had Parkinson's. And the other one, he yelled at me for being on the phone when the baseball strike ended. Was this 1984. And I was doing a live report over the phone for cnn. And he yelled at me because it was the only phone that was available. And he came out and he kept trying. There were three other phones. They didn't work. And I said, you know, Howard, I'm really sorry, but I'm doing this live report on cnn and he goes, as if the whole world's watching cnn. And then he stormed away going, I just. I just met Howard Cosell.
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Chris Collinsworth
That was good. That was good. I had him at the Superstars. And I'm in the swimming competition, which they forced you because they were a sponsor, to wear Speedos. So I'm next to Mark Gaso, both wearing Speedos. So Kel is going up and down the, you know, doing this thing, Amart, Gasano, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Dan Patrick
And.
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Chris Collinsworth
And so he comes to me next and he goes, well, Mr. Collinsworth, what do you think? And I looked down at myself, I looked over at Gastonau, looked down at myself, looked over at Gastonau, and I said, howard, I've never felt so humiliated in my entire life. He went, and that was it. That was it. Was great.
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Dan Patrick
It was like the before and after. You were the before and Gastonau was the after.
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Chris Collinsworth
Way before. It was. It was not good.
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Dan Patrick
I opened the show talking about rookie quarterbacks and mistakes that they make. And in college, you get the opportunity to extend a play, receivers are open longer, hold on to the ball more. We saw this with Caleb Williams. You know, obviously we saw it with Shador Sanders. But when you look at film, when you see rookie quarterbacks, what are the things that are really that jump out, that are negative?
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Chris Collinsworth
Hold the ball. I mean, Shador Sanders was a really good player in college football when he got the ball out of his hands. You think because he's Deion's son, that he's a runaround guy. Right? You would think. In reality, those were his worst plays. When he got the ball and got it out of his hand and under 2.5 seconds, that guy could really play. I mean, it was. It was really impressive. And so my whole thought on him is, is he going to be able to take a step back and say, all right, I like to run around, I like to make plays out of the pocket. But in reality, that's when I was taking sacks, that's when I was turning the ball over. There were some good plays in there, too, but at this level, you've got to get it out of your hand. And that's what we've seen Jackson Dart do. That's what we saw Bo Nix do last year. That's what we see the young quarterbacks that can come into this league and make an impact right away, because those guys playing edge rushers in the NFL are the greatest athletes in the world. I mean, Those guys are 6, 6 and 270 and run 4 or 5 and, man, don't mess with those guys.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, and getting into a rhythm. And I thought Dylan Gabriel did a really good job, but I think he was programmed to do that in college, where I thought Chador didn't have a good offensive line, did hold onto the ball a little too much, and oils fails. He had Travis Hunter to bail him out. Now, you got to get into that rhythm. How do you teach that, though, with young quarterbacks?
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Chris Collinsworth
I mean, I've seen everything. I've seen them blow a horn at 2.5 seconds, like I. So I've had kids, even in high school that the idea of they all want to do the same thing. Usually if you're playing quarterback in high school, you are the best athlete in the school. Right. So your entire life, you've played tag, you've played Freeze tag. You've played all these different games, right? Nobody can catch you. You are the best athlete. So you get on the football field, and what do you know how to do? All right, let me just run around. They can't catch me, and then I'll, you know, make a play. And. And you watch Patrick Mahomes and you watch Lamar Jackson and you watch Josh Allen, and those are the guys that are competing for the MVP of the league. So I want to be able to do that, too. But in reality, if you hold on to it, all you're doing is inviting more pressure. If you get back there in the pocket and you just go, boop, boop, boop. I mean, Jackson dart. I wouldn't. I wouldn't blitz him if he got in the game for anything. Like, I want to see him throw the ball down the field a little bit and read out the defense fully so that, you know, those are the kinds of things that I think the adjustments are there in the National Football League, and Caleb Williams is probably the prime example of that. I think every analyst that went in there and I think, you know, as far as the top games, I'm the only one that wasn't a quarterback. So he heard it from everybody, like, get the ball out of your hands. Like, dude, just get the ball out of your hands. It doesn't matter. Complete 70%. And that's what Ben Johnson's been trying to do with him. Just, hey, 70%. We got to hit seven out of 10 of these, and that's really hard to do. That means a lot of checking down in the. In the NFL, and that's where he's got to get to.
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Dan Patrick
Are you preparing for Micah Parsons to prepare for the Eagles?
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Chris Collinsworth
Of course. Of course. I mean, are you watching the Netflix thing on the Cowboys? Are you seeing any of that? And, of course, the Emmett Smith thing, He held out for the first two games. They lose the first two games. Jerry's been down that road before. We've seen all this. They want to be a show. They want to be all these things. But the problem for Mike is that, you know, they really do control him for the next three years. He's under contract, and he can be franchise tag the two years after that. So I don't know what the contract was that he agreed to. It wasn't a great concept to go in and sit down with Jerry Jones and start talking about a contract. It's not a great concept for the players association to allow NFL players in the room to negotiate with NFL owners. Those Guys are trained killers, right? I mean, they are billionaires. They know how to negotiate deals. So as an agent, there is no way I'm letting Micah Parsons anywhere near Jerry Jones. I don't even want him to have a private conversation on the field. I don't want any of that stuff. So. But once you do and, you know, man up. He said he was willing to take less earlier, you know, and, you know, whatever it was in the offseason, he goes, oh, I'd take less to play for the Cowboys and all that. And Jerry took that and ran with it. And whatever was said behind closed doors, Jerry feels like he has a deal.
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Dan Patrick
I know we're obsessed with rankings, ranking our quarterbacks. You know, where is Jalen Hurts? Is he a top 10? You know, I don't know where you, I, I'm going against my own philosophy of, you know, kind of acknowledging these lists. But I am curious, since you do have the Eagles with Jalen Hurts, where does he kind of fit in to the pantheon of quarterbacks?
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Chris Collinsworth
Yeah, I'm not sure that I've seen a story like his. I mean, I remember watching that national championship game when he got benched for tua, and TUA gets in the game and throws the game winning touchdown pass. They win the national championship. Everybody's going crazy. And I think most of us maybe who are just parents, maybe those are the people. But I was thinking, oh my God, that kid's career is over. Jalen Hurts, career is over. He's been a really good player, but there is no way, mentally or emotionally he comes back from this that you just can't happen. Right? Goes off to Oklahoma. And I think he did a little bit of what we were just talking about. He had one of the highest completion percentages when he played for Oklahoma, comes out, gets drafted in the second round. Universally, everybody was panning the pick. Oh, what are you doing? A second round quarterback? You might as well just throw it in a garbage can, whatever. But that's a team that was built around offensive line, built around defensive line, and to watch him and to meet him. You ever met him? You ever just had a conversation with him?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, he's impressive.
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Chris Collinsworth
He's probably the most serious minded football player I've ever met. I mean, to get a smile out of him, you feel like, you know, you want to have a celebration. But he is all in. He's all in for his teammates. He's not afraid to lead, he's not afraid to put his head down and run. And when we talk about great Players, what do we talk about in the NFL going from the 20 to the 20? Anybody can do that. You know, if you had any chance at all, you can do that. The game starts in two situations in the red zone and short yards. Right. Those are the two you got to convert on third and fourth down. And you got to score touchdowns. When you get to the red zone, you're kicking field goals, you're going to lose in the NFL. And so what does this guy do better than anybody else? A hits a high percentage. B, can run the ball with not. He's not a Lamar Jackson, maybe more of a Josh Allen, kind of a big, strong, physical guy, but he scores touchdowns and he converts third downs. Some of them with his arm, some of them with his legs, some of them with just sheer power or, you know, his brain, his audibles, because he studied the game so much. So it was interesting. I did an interview with Peyton Manning not too long ago, and he said that Jalen calls him all the time about how do you operate, what were you thinking here? What do you do there? And he's a real curious guy, but he is. He is a dynamic guy. Would I want him as my quarterback, I would take him all day long. Plus, he sets the tone for that physical style of play. I mean, how frustrating would it be for a 300 pound, 350 defensive tackle to know he can't stop the quarterback from on a quarterback snake? That's making these teams insane. I mean, they tried to change the frigging rule on him. Yeah, it's making them all crazy out there. So. Yeah, I really, I think very highly of them.
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Dan Patrick
Well, what's different now? And you know, this is NFL teams drafted a quarterback and then you had to kind of adopt that team's philosophy of what they do. Now it feels like you're catering your offense. Whether it's Cam Newton or Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. We want to cater our offense to your strengths.
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Chris Collinsworth
Yeah, Lamar Jackson's probably the top of that list, right?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Chris Collinsworth
So that was a Ozzy sitting and there's Lamar, last pick in the first round. And as it gets a little closer, he and John Harbaugh are having this conversation and I've talked to both of them about it and basically it was this. Are we going to do this? Because, you know, we've got to change everything that we've ever thought about offense if we're going to do this. If we draft Lamar right here and it's going to be your last pick as a general manager, it's going to be a bit of your legacy. I, Harbo, as the coach, have to totally commit to what he does. Right? And at the time, nobody. I mean, obviously, if he's a 32nd pick, everybody else had a chance. They didn't think that highly of him. Right. But the one thing that I thought about him from the beginning was that he was a pocket passer at Louisville. He was. That's what he was. Now he scrambled out of that and he ran and he did different things. So, yeah, I think that in its entirety now, the league is about finding guys who can make those plays, who can escape pass rush, who can gain and convert third downs, strong enough to take a hit, smart enough to know how to run an offense, but have a good enough arm. And those are the guys, to me, those are the guys that are winning championships right now.
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Dan Patrick
Give me the team you're most curious about.
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Chris Collinsworth
Probably the Bears. You know, I think it's. It's hard to not want to see what that combination is. Ben Johnson's a really good coach. He's got a really talented quarterback. And Caleb Williams, he stacked him with receivers all around him, helped him with an offensive line. Joe Tunis over there right now. And. And I think Ben Johnson's that smart. You know, he's like, you know, I hate that we have a rocket scientist in the league and, you know, he's a computer scientist and, you know, so it's like, I don't know how much of that makes a difference or not, but he's a smart guy. And I think that what he did going into Chicago was, you know, I'm going to beat him up, you know, I'm going to make his life really miserable. This guy's gotten nil money in college. He drove a fancy car before I ever drove a fancy car in my life. I'm going to beat him up because this is Chicago and they take football very seriously here. And if he can't handle me, he certainly is not going to be able to handle the Green Bay packers and the Minnesota Vikings, right? So I'm going to beat him up and see whether or not he can take it. But I still believe the hardest thing he's going to have to learn. The part that didn't make any sense to me at the time, why Ben took Chicago instead of. It could have added almost any of the jobs, is he had a quarterback and Caleb Williams, who had, I think, literally like a dozen snaps in college under center. And so much of what they did in Detroit and the reason they were so successful in Detroit was because they were under center and they ran the football and they very much were part of that offensive line, you know, being the driving force of the team. And then Jared Goff became a good player because he got protected and they ran the football and you can go play action. So you know what they're trying to put in place here. I just. It'll be interesting to see whether Caleb can become an under center quarterback.
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Dan Patrick
But I don't know why more quarterbacks don't get under center. That, that it takes away the illusion, you know, where you're going to do play action, where you actually are faking or giving to a running back and can you speak to that of everybody's in. In the gun.
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Chris Collinsworth
I think it's what they know. You know, they've got all these passing camps now and they're in high school and you go seven on seven and you do all that and so nobody's taking the center snap. And I can tell. I mean, I played quarterback until I was a sophomore in college when they figured out I couldn't throw it at all. But so, but just. And I would talk to Kenny Anderson about it. I'm like, what are you watching as you're going back? And he said, I'm, I'm watching the two safety. So if they split, that means one thing. You know, one comes up on goes back. If they're too deep, that means another thing. I know through my progressions immediately what I'm going to do. And I said, well, why don't you like doing the shotgun? He said, because I got to catch the ball. And I what? He goes, if I catch the ball, I have to take my eyes off of those two safeties. So I think to some extent there you see snaps get bobbled all the time. But they're trying to watch the two safeties, they're trying to see the field, they're trying to catch it without really looking at the football. But they've gotten used to doing that over the years. What they can't do is the reverse of it, which is drop back and get themselves set and be able to make the same kind of reads down the field. It's hard.
- [43:32]
Dan Patrick
Good to talk to you. Excited for the upcoming season and thanks for joining us.
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Chris Collinsworth
Good talking to you, buddy.
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Dan Patrick
That's Chris Collinsworth, Pro Football Focus. He's a part of. If you're watching on Peacock, he's wearing the colors there and it'll be 8 Eastern, the NFL kickoff and it'll be the Cowboys and the Eagles. We'll take a break. Our best and worst of the weekend. More phone calls coming up right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live this Labor Day.
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Rick Neuheisel
Well, I don't think you have to even try. I think everybody understands the magnitude of the contest and the stage that will be the city of Columbus and the shoe. This is going to be a monster game. What's fascinating about this game is that you've got two quarterbacks with relatively little experience and I think the two coaches, Sark and Ryan, will basically play a very cat and mouse game. I think this is a low scoring game. Try to make sure that your quarterback's comfortable. Don't throw them to the wolves too early and I think it's going to be a wonderful setting.
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Dan Patrick
Who's winning the Big Ten this year?
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Rick Neuheisel
You know, I think Penn State. If not now, when? Right? They've got so many things coming back. The two running backs are fantastic. They've got the most experienced quarterback in the league. They've got a, you know, James Franklin has proven he can recruit. They're wonderful defenders this, this and they've got a schedule to beat the band. Right? They've got three they'll pre seed. It's basically preseason football for the first three games. I think it's Nevada, FIU and Villanova to start the season. Then a buy, then you get the whiteout game versus Oregon. So everything sets up for Penn State this year.
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Dan Patrick
What about the sec?
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Rick Neuheisel
You know, I'm going to go with lsu. I think Garrett Nussmeier is the real deal. We all remember both Joe Burrow and Jaden Daniels. I think this guy is going to have a heck of a game in Death Valley, although with a small D. I guess. Given that it's not Baton Rouge, I think he and Club Nick are going to put on a show. But I think Nussmeier is going to come out on top.
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Dan Patrick
We have 12 teams now in a playoff, probably going to 14 or 16 at some point. But then the Big Ten leaks a proposal for 24 to 28 teams. Why did they leak that?
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Rick Neuheisel
To me it was almost to get people to understand 16 is the right number. Sometimes if you have 12 and people sitting there, maybe 12 is the right number and then you throw 24, 28 out somewhere. If compromise is where we're going to be, compromise now goes to 16. As I like to say, the answer is money. Now what was the question? I think, I think we're, we're going to 16. The fact that no team with a buy last year won shows the lack of value of that buy. And I think 16 will be a great number for college football.
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Dan Patrick
Talking to Rick Neuheisel, CBS Sports college football analyst and former college football coach, we we're going to get to a number where we're going to jeopardize the regular season. Have or have we gotten to a number where we're jeopardizing the regular season?
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Rick Neuheisel
I understand the argument, but I just saw an analytic piece of data where K State and losing to Iowa State over there in Dublin, now their playoff chances shrink to 13%. So remember we've, we've. Even at 16, the number is much smaller than any other sports league out there in terms of who gets to graduate to the playoffs. We have 137 teams in Division 1 football. So the facts of the matter are the regular season is still very, very exciting. These preseason games are testament to that. And then you get to that month in November with so many more teams are still in the, in the hunt, it just gets overwhelming. And if we go to automatic qualifiers, which I think will be the answer, again with the premise that the answer is money, what was the question? We get to automatic qualifiers. You can only imagine the influx of more playoff games, much like the NBA where both the SEC and Big Ten will have play in games.
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Dan Patrick
SEC going to nine game schedule.
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Rick Neuheisel
Yeah. Means, means that the coaches didn't get their way. I think Greg Sankey did his best to try to listen to him and see if it made sense. But when Oklahoma is selling seats at a post game press conference and Tennessee selling advertising that's going to appear on the field, you can see the athletic directors are in need of money and rather than keep shaking down the boosters, they're going, let's go to that ninth conference game. Our television partners will pay more for it. It now creates an opportunity with the Big Ten to create some non conference games that will be paid for handsomely. It's, it's a money play and it's the right move.
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Dan Patrick
What did you think of the NCAA's punishment with Michigan much ado about nothing.
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Rick Neuheisel
The guy who is most guilty is still coaching in the NFL. Now, had they done something to Jim Harbaugh and he had to sit a little bit in the NFL, that would have been something. But. And remember, that's exactly what they did with Jim Trestle when he was. It got his hand in the cookie jar with that tattoo gate thing. They made him sit as he was working for the Colts at the time. This is a, a big fine. 20 million bucks, maybe even north of that. But at day's end, it was worth it. For those who said Michigan versus the.
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Dan Patrick
World, would you have punished Harbaugh?
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Rick Neuheisel
I would have, yeah. If the punishment could have gone to sit him down because that flew in the face of what we're all about in terms of fair play. And listen, I know I've always had a bent against Harbaugh, so I'm real kind of careful about my personal bias about it. But at day's end, if we really want to curtail this stuff, the punishment should have followed the criminal.
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Dan Patrick
Notre Dame doesn't have to join a conference now ever because all they have to do is go 10 and two and they're going to be in the playoffs because they're a brand and, and can get.
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Rick Neuheisel
Whether it's home games or can get the buy right. The, the seating thing changed. So Jack Swarbrick goes down as a hero. Not only did he fight for their independence, he also has got them in a chance where they can be part of the field on an annual basis and, and they can schedule around it. That will be the interesting thing. Who will schedule Notre Dame and can they freeze them out to force them into a, into a conference? That remains to be seen.
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Dan Patrick
But you know, they're playing usc, but that's going away.
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Chris Collinsworth
Right?
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Dan Patrick
They're not playing Michigan. I mean, who's. They're going to play? Some ACC, you know, schedule teams, but.
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Rick Neuheisel
That's right.
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Dan Patrick
10 and 2 seems pretty reasonable every year for Notre Dame.
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Rick Neuheisel
I would agree. I would agree. And they've got a nice recruiting machinery. This is, this is a good thing for Notre Dame. But there will be some clamoring back and forth after a few years of this. This is in its infancy, but after a few years, if they don't schedule up and it'll be interesting as to the Big Ten and the sec, how much they'll schedule them. You can see both of those conference involved with the Notre Dame right now.
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Dan Patrick
I was watching a little bit of the Browns with Chador Sanders and of course Caleb Williams last year. It feels like quarterbacks coming in from college are. They have bad habits, right? Hold on to the ball, right? Sometimes they'll have their hips parallel to the line of scrimmage. Then they. They already take away one side of the field. They're only going to be locked in on the right side. They get the ball out too. Too slow. They try to make plays. You play the position, coach the position. What is it that you're seeing with these younger quarterbacks?
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Rick Neuheisel
Those two guys in particular are, you know, have watched the Patrick Mahomes extension, right? The When Mahomes breaks, the. What was called in the huddle and now becomes a freelancer. He's been magnificent. And the oohs and Oz that follow those kind of plays have been a lot. Those two guys also were given green lights by their coaches. Lincoln Riley and Deion Sanders both said, you guys are the quarterbacks. So they've been allowed to just play this kind of backyard football. Johnny. Johnny Football type of quarterback at the NFL because people don't. The people get open the same way they do in college, but they don't stay open. You have to let the ball go. You have to have anticipation, which means there has to be a metronome in your footwork, and they don't possess it. Now, I saw Caleb Williams in that 38. I think they beat the Bills 38. Nothing. That was as good as I've ever seen him in terms of throwing on time and with rhythm. If once he gets there and Ben Johnson's working on that, he can be a great player. That will be the case with Shador as well. The question is, how many reps will Shador get now that he's in a four quarterback kind of menagerie there in Cleveland?
- [58:23]
Dan Patrick
I thought Dylan Gabriel looked good because he makes quick decisions.
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Rick Neuheisel
That's. That's exactly who Dylan Gabriel is. He knows he has to get it out of his hand. He. He knows what the defense tells him. His feet. His feet are almost perfectly in place to throw with rhythm, and he throws accurately. He's a bright guy. He's a good leader. That's why he had more starts in college football than anybody previous.
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Dan Patrick
Andrew Luck is a gm. Like, what role is. Is that. And he's in the booth during the game, so.
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Rick Neuheisel
Oh, he's. He's a junkie, Dan. I mean, I got a chance. Him, he loves this being back in it. As a matter of fact, it was precipitated by him going to the president at Stanford and saying, hey, here's my two cents on what's the program needs. He says, well, then why don't you run it? Basically, he's got the job. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep from becoming the head coach because he's got such a zest for it. He hired the guy, Frank Reich, who was the officiant in his wedding and you know, so that this is a partnership and he's all over the practice field. The guy's having a blast. But they're going to have to average more than under 4 yards a pass attempt if they're going to be a player in the acc.
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Dan Patrick
Great to catch up with you. We'll talk to you soon.
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Rick Neuheisel
Always a blast, my friend.
- [59:43]
Dan Patrick
Thank you, bud.
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Rick Neuheisel
See ya.
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