The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Overview

In this featured episode of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick engages in an in-depth discussion with Mike Tannenbaum, a former NFL General Manager, and JC Tretter, the former President and Chief Strategy Officer of the NFL Players Association (NFLPA). The conversation delves into the complexities of NFL player contracts, the current turmoil within the NFLPA, and the dynamics between team owners and players.

Current State of NFL Players Association

The episode opens with Dan Patrick addressing the ongoing struggles within the NFLPA, particularly focusing on the negotiations and contract disputes that have plagued the association.

Dan Patrick [02:25]:

"It's not that people don't know that exercise is healthy, it's just that people... And we're struggling to try to help people help themselves and each other."

This statement sets the stage for a broader conversation about the challenges faced by the NFLPA in advocating for player rights and ensuring fair compensation.

Contract Negotiations and Player Comparisons

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the contractual negotiations of key NFL players, notably Micah Parsons of the Dallas Cowboys and Trey Hendrickson of the Cincinnati Bengals. Patrick and Tannenbaum dissect the strategies employed by team owners, particularly Jerry Jones (Cowboys) and Mike Brown (Bengals), in handling these high-stakes negotiations.

Dan Patrick [02:38]:

"You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on FOX Sports Radio."

Mike Tannenbaum [02:42]:

"Welcome to the program, Hour one on this Tuesday, Dan and the Danettes. Dan Patrick Show Got a poll question. Play the day STAT OF the day."

Discussion Highlight:

• Micah Parsons' Contract:

  Tannenbaum criticizes Jerry Jones for his inconsistent statements regarding Parsons' contract.

  Dan Patrick [04:57]:

  "I remember signing a player for the highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out two-thirds of the year. Dak Prescott."

  JC Tretter [08:26]:

  "I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrick emotional about his contract situation. This guy's 30 years old."

• Trey Hendrickson's Negotiations:

  The discussion highlights Mike Brown's portrayal of Hendrickson as overly emotional during contract talks, which JC Tretter finds unjustified and detrimental.

  Dan Patrick [11:57]:

  "So this is a game of chicken."

  JC Tretter [13:20]:

  "Micah Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as fast as you can."

Ownership Approaches and Transparency Issues

The conversation shifts to the contrasting approaches of NFL team owners. Jerry Jones is portrayed as someone who thrives on publicity, sometimes at the expense of player relationships, while Mike Brown is seen as more reserved but critical in his communication.

Dan Patrick [16:22]:

"Radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to."

JC Tretter [22:21]:

"The Eagles gave us the blueprint for building a team that Howie Roseman done a wonderful job and Jeffrey Laurie and getting these contracts done."

Departure of JC Tretter from NFLPA

A pivotal moment in the episode is JC Tretter's announcement of his resignation from the NFLPA, citing personal sacrifices and frustrations over internal matters.

JC Tretter [23:07]:

"I felt like I had nothing left to give the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed the back end of my career and I sacrificed time with my family..."

He addresses allegations and internal conflicts within the NFLPA, emphasizing his commitment to player welfare over organizational politics.

Dan Patrick [25:46]:

"But that's the problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention."

JC Tretter [30:15]:

"This is not where we wanted to be when we launched the search years ago. We were looking for an executive director that was going to be here for two plus terms."

Collusion and Legal Challenges

The discussion delves into the controversial topic of collusion within the NFL, referencing legal findings and ongoing investigations.

Dan Patrick [27:07]:

"If you knew the league was colluding against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there was factors outside his control that were illegal."

JC Tretter [32:33]:

"If we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it, it would come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits."

The panel scrutinizes the NFL's stance on guaranteed contracts and the broader implications for player trust and union negotiations.

Future of the NFL and Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

Looking ahead, Patrick and his guests discuss the potential changes to the NFL's structure, including the proposal for an 18-game season and the implications of the current CBA, which is set until 2031.

Dan Patrick [35:19]:

"I don't know. That's a CBA issue."

JC Tretter [36:34]:

"We have a CBA until 2031. There is no need to rush into those negotiations."

Healthcare for Retired Players

Addressing the long-term welfare of players, the episode touches on the challenges of providing lifetime healthcare benefits.

Dan Patrick [37:32]:

"So we have disability benefits, we have health, we have HRA accounts, we have post-career health care."

JC Tretter [38:50]:

"All of these things that if you stack up the right way, you can have coverage for a long time, but it's not as clean as just like a single plan that lasts forever."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on the need for transparency, effective leadership within the NFLPA, and the importance of prioritizing player interests over organizational or ownership agendas.

Dan Patrick [37:32]:

"With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories."

JC Tretter [35:15]:

"I'm confident they will."

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Notable Quotes

• JC Tretter on Trey Hendrickson:

  "It's stunning and totally unnecessary. It's the cost of doing business." [45:12]

• Dan Patrick on Player Contracts:

  "Have done the discipline thing and not paid him." [15:54]

• Mike Tannenbaum on Ownership Speaking Out:

  "Let the public dive in and get to know these candidates and share what they found out about them." [32:33]

Key Takeaways

• Contract Negotiations: The NFLPA is navigating complex negotiations with team owners, particularly concerning high-profile players like Micah Parsons and Trey Hendrickson.

• Ownership Dynamics: Owners like Jerry Jones and Mike Brown have differing communication styles and strategies, impacting player relations and public perceptions.

• Leadership and Transparency: The departure of JC Tretter underscores the need for transparent and trustworthy leadership within the NFLPA to advocate effectively for players.

• Legal and Ethical Challenges: Ongoing investigations into collusion and financial dealings pose significant challenges for the NFLPA and the integrity of player negotiations.

• Future Prospects: Discussions around extending the season, revising the CBA, and enhancing healthcare benefits highlight the evolving landscape of professional football and the pressing needs of its athletes.

This episode offers a comprehensive look into the intricate relationship between NFL players, their union, and team ownership, shedding light on the ongoing struggles and potential pathways forward for better player representation and welfare.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

It's not that people don't know that exercise is healthy, it's just that people.

[Sarah Spain]

Don'T know why it's healthy.

[Dan Patrick]

And we're struggling to try to help people help themselves and each other.

[Sarah Spain]

Listen to WebMD Health discovered on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on FOX Sports Radio.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Welcome to the program, Hour one on this Tuesday, Dan and the Danettes. Dan Patrick Show Got a poll question. Play the day STAT OF the day. We'll dive into the NFL Players association mess and it is a mess right now. We'll talk to one of the leaders who decided to step down, former player JC Treader. He'll join us coming up next hour. STAT OF the DAY brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. And for over four decades now, tire rack has been doing it, helping you find the right tires for how and what and where you drive. Tirerack.com is the way tire buying should be. All right. 877-3DP show if you'd like to dial us up. Operator Tyler sitting by. And we say good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that is our streaming partner, NFL Training camps open. Veterans reporting today. And you've got a situation with the Cowboys and the Cincinnati Bengals. And both of the owners of those teams had something to say about the players who were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson, his contract situation. Mike Brown talked about that. And Jerry Jones, of course, talked about Micah Parsons signing him to a contract extension. I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer about yesterday. He, of course, the Monday morning quarterback. If you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony? Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going to pay Micah Parsons, right? I have a hunch the Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson. Now. I'm sure they're saving money. I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I, of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves to be. If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract, then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys as a team and how good they're going to be. But it's rarely that now. That'll happen later in the season. But with Micah Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing him to a contract extension. Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, we've signed.

[Dan Patrick]

I remember signing a player for the.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out two thirds of the year. Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about, just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and Guaranteeing money. Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to say the quiet part out loud. Why? Because then all of a sudden, now you're Micah Parsons. How do you feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak Prescott and I said, don't resign him. And plus, you gave him all that money. If you're going to give somebody money, give it to Micah Parsons. But he made Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankle surgery. What's the logic in that? And a guy who's now 32 can't stay healthy and you gave him all that money? That I don't understand your business philosophy. As for Micah Parsons. Yes. Did he miss games? Yes. When he plays, he's great. You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson. All he's done is outperform every other edge rusher the last two years when it comes to sacks. And the NFL doesn't pay you on what you did. They pay you on what they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner, Mike Brown on Trey Hendrickson. We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over in the office working to get that done. We like Trey as a person. He's a good guy. But when it comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional. We never have an easy time of it. But there's one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And I think this one will. Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out? Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, hey, how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey, we need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey, we spent all this money on offense. Can we stop anybody? They're going to be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals. Why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever you're going to give him. Three year deal. Now, I know he's four years, I think four years older than Micah Parsons. Well, he's. He's not Micah Parsons, but he is really good at what he is paid to do. It's just the Bengals are notoriously cheap with this and that's unfortunate because you spent all this money on your wide receivers and your quarterback. Your quarterback said, I need those guys. Now. I don't know if Joe Burrow said, hey, by the way, I also need somebody who can stop somebody so I'm not on the field, and I have to score touchdowns every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would have helped. But now you look at these situations now, will they get done? Yes. I just. These are different approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much. Jerry Jones says too much. And I don't know why you bring up something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring up something with Micah Parsons. Now, I know he loves to be in the headlines, and the Cowboys are constantly in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys. And here we are again. Yeah, Paulie.

[JC Tretter]

I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrick emotional about his contract situation. This guy's 30 years old.

[Sarah Spain]

This is his last chance to get paid.

[JC Tretter]

He gets roughed up. He's never gotten the monster contract. This is it.

[Sarah Spain]

This is his livelihood for him and.

[Dan Patrick]

His family the rest of his life.

[JC Tretter]

You could see why. Be emotional about it.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, but just because you're emotional about it, I have to look at. It's still a business. He's 34. It's a business. What do I want to pay him? Am I going to pay him? T.J. watt, Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett, money? No, I'm not. And you would think you would earn it based off what you've done, but that's not the way it works, certainly with what the Bengals approach is on this. With Trey Hendrickson. Yeah. Seaton. Wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent? Yeah. So what is the, like. I mean, maybe I'm just being naive, but the whole, like, well, you know, he gets really emotional and all this. He pushes hard, but he gets emotional. Well, is that his agent telling Mike Brown that, well, you know, my client is really emotional about this, or is he just projecting it through the agent? Isn't that the whole point of dealing with an agent is so that you can do exactly what you just said? You remove emotion from it, and now this is just business. It's just us two. It's not the player who's going to be emotional about it. It's just me, the agent, and the owner. That's it. I think Trey has had some comments, you know, the last couple of months, so I think that's the emotional part of it, but surprised that you do bring up emotion? Yes. This is your contract. Mike Brown's going to have 15 contracts to deal with. This is the only one Trey Hendrickson has. And, of course, you would be emotional. You've given everything to the team. You've played hard, you've outperformed your contract. But you know that if you look at the why the NFL is so successful, it is a league that favors owners and fans. So we get. We get to consume. It's great for us and it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for the players. And now you have this turmoil with the NFL Players Association. Where is their collusion? Was there, you know, the Players association in cahoots with owners to try to stop these guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson? I mean, there's a whole lot going on here. And I think TJ Watt got his deal done. He got it in his salary that we said this is probably where he's landing around 40 or $41 million. I just don't understand why it has to be dragged out. Unless they say, well, we can save X number of dollars by doing it later on. Well, then just tell the player, hey, we're going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet. No need to go back and forth. But that's the problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention. Now. Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't realize this, and I remember that you had a couple of analysts who came on the show and they said, he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else. It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he gets in the process. I said, well, if he wins, he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah, they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of those. Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that, and that's unfortunate. Yes, Todd, if they're ultimately going to pay Parsons.

[JC Tretter]

So this is a game of chicken.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

What is going to change with his.

[Dan Patrick]

Ability or what the numbers are going to be?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Jones is going to all of a sudden pay him sooner.

[JC Tretter]

The agent's going to take less from.

[Sarah Spain]

The Cowboys because they're concerned he's not.

[JC Tretter]

Going to get the money that he wants.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

No. He even said, well, you could get hit by a car. Like what is. Yes, yes, that's. That is true. He could get hit by a car, he could hit by lightning. Uh, there could be a lot of bad things that happen. But if you're saying, well, we don't know. I mean, Jerry, you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you. You need him right now. You're an average team. You overpaid at quarterback. You have drafted pretty well. Somebody in the front office must be doing a great job because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry, you know, famously had some bad picks. Whether it's a head coach or keeping himself as the gm, Some of the signings that he has, this one seems logical. Of all the signings. Now, I love CD Lamb. I thought, okay, pay him. And Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not a great quarterback. He's not a top 10 quarterback. But you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes. Yeah, Paul.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[JC Tretter]

Micah Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as fast as you can.

[Sarah Spain]

Micah Parsons, in four years, three time.

[JC Tretter]

All Pro, four time Pro Bowler, he's 25 years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If you're the Bengals, you're happy to.

[Dan Patrick]

Give Joe Burrow the most money in.

[Sarah Spain]

Quarterback history at the time because all.

[JC Tretter]

He did was play well for you. And now he's entering that second contract.

[Sarah Spain]

He lived up to the draft, pick exactly what you want as an owner.

[JC Tretter]

It's like the only smart money is.

[Sarah Spain]

That second contract of a sure thing player.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey hendrickson is. He's 30. 30?

[JC Tretter]

Yeah.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Okay.

[JC Tretter]

Parsons is 26.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Okay. So four years older. Okay. I don't know if I said 34, but I think he. The sack total was 35, maybe over the last two years. But I'm going to go back to the beginning of last season, and Seaton brought this up, and we were just having a casual conversation. He goes, you know, the Cowboys, they're. It's a weird situation they're in. You're. You want Dak to play well, CD Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well. But as a result, you must pay them. So they're going to live up to where you drafted them or how they performed. But then that can be a negative because you do have to pay these guys $130 million. 140 and $160 million. Well, that's three players where you got $130 million each season with these guys, and you don't have the performance that goes along with it because of the other players on the team. So it was kind of a good situation, but it was going to go bad because if they played well. You have to pay them commensurate to that. And that's exactly what happened. These guys are going to be, Michael will be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak, who's the highest paid quarterback and CD Lamb, who's what top five wide receiver. With what he's getting paid. Those are good things that they play well. It's just I never would assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension. Yes, Paul, but you could go back.

[Dan Patrick]

To a mistake off a player who played well.

[JC Tretter]

Ezekiel Elliott, drafted in 2016, 1600 yards, 1000 yards, 1500 yards, 1400 yards. He carried the ball more than anyone.

[Sarah Spain]

In the sport for four straight years.

[JC Tretter]

And they gave him the monstrous second contract where he started going downhill. But they got caught up in we drafted the running back high. He paid off. We must pay him when they should.

[Dan Patrick]

Have done the discipline thing and not paid him.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, I said you got everything you wanted out of him. Move on from him. And then Jerry signs the contract extension. Even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call. I, you know, if you're loyal, great. But if you're loyal, don't say things publicly about Micah Parsons or Dak Prescott or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he acts like he's a caller to a radio station and that's unfortunate.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

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[JC Tretter]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

JC Treader, former center with the Browns and the packers, former NFL Players association president and chief strategy officer. At least those were former titles because he has decided to step down. Why are you stepping down?

[Dan Patrick]

J.C. yeah, I. I feel like I had nothing left to give the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed the back end of my career and I sacrificed time with my family and I did those for the players and I would do them again. I love working for the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like I've had to sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some stories out there about me that aren't true, and I've been asked to sit on that and not talk about it. And that was for the organization that wasn't for the players. And in the end, I felt like I couldn't do that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever wanted to care about was being a great dad and a great husband. And once this job wasn't fun anymore or hurt my family, I was out. And it happened both of those at the same time, and it was time for me to leave.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

So Lloyd Howell Jr. The former NFL Players association executive, has decided to step down as well. Be specific on what you're talking about. That is not true. That's being said about you.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of narratives spun. The idea that I buried the collusion grievance. I've never seen the collusion grievance. The collusion. I don't have access to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about the collusion grievance. Just not part of my job. The idea that I've been angling for the executive director job since I was a president, also not true. I was asked to run for executive director during the last search. I declined because it would take me away from my family for too much and I wanted to be with my kids. I've got two young kids. I love watching them grow up. There's been a story about us firing an arbitrator that said it was because of me. I don't fire arbitrators. That's legal department. I don't do that stuff. So a lot of things had been rolled down to this must be JC's fault. And that's not where I sit in the organization. And that's not the type of person I am. And I didn't want people thinking that was the type of person I am.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

ESPN reported last week that Howell struck a confidentiality agreement with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players. And that was a January arbitration decision finding that the league executive urged team owners to reduce guarantee player compensation. When did you find out about that collusion?

[Dan Patrick]

I know we lost the collusion grievance in January. That, that I knew that I didn't know of any agreements or what was happening with that because it's not part of my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, I started learning more. I was on the board call and the EC call when it was explained what had happened over the last six months to the players. So I know more now, but at that point I knew nothing. I wasn't involved in the discussions.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would you elaborate on that? Is that a accurate quote?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So that's the thing about being deposed. They get your phone, they read all your text messages. It's not, not comfortable. But those are all, those are all facts. So what had happened was when I retired, I actually did an interview and I talked about. They asked about guaranteed contracts. And I said the next best person to get a guaranteed contract is Russell Wilson. I thought he was traded for assets similar to Deshaun Watson. He's a former super bowl winner. The team can't just let him leave. They have a lot of pressure on him. They also have a cash rich owner. There's a lot of things in his favor to get a guaranteed contract. When he did not get a guaranteed contract, I texted D and I called him a loser and I called him a wuss. And I was upset in that moment because I felt like we were missing an opportunity to get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins get one years ago and no one came behind him. And then I was worried we're going to have the same thing and we're going to miss an opportunity for players to get guaranteed contracts. That was before the collusion grievance was launched. That was before the idea of collusion had come up. Months later was when we launched the collusion grievance. And that's why my deposition, they asked me about it and I said if I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there was Factors outside his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen. But I didn't know that the time I sent the text message.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Do you think that owners have been colluding on no more guaranteed contracts?

[Dan Patrick]

I can only know what was in that report, which is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude. But the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there is no damages that we could prove either at this point. Now this is still pending. So even though it was, quote, hidden, it was in a standstill agreement and the right to appeal was still there. So the NFLPA is appealing. So this is still open and could potentially change. So this is still a pending investigation or a pending matter and I hope it comes out or I hope it's proven that we are able to prove those other two pieces that are needed to win the entire collusion group.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But isn't there a public record of the owner of the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking about guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what it looks like and then what the findings were or what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings? And the actual findings as of now is that they wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still under appeal. And I think the hope is that that changes when it goes to a three judge panel.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

J.C. treader, former NFLPA president, Chief Strategy Officer and of course a former NFL player. Some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Jr. ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and retaliation in 2011 when he was an executive at another job strip club going to strip clubs. I don't know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former head of the nflpa?

[Dan Patrick]

We were aware of those during the search. We brought up those that came out in the background check. We asked him questions during the interviews both with the executive committee and at the final board meeting. We asked him directly about those. He explained his side of the story and the board was comfortable with his answer. And that's how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club, I was not there. I've never been to a strip club. I don't drink. I don't do anything in that realm that should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it. It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk about who else was there. That's not my business. I was not. And that's a bad look.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But is it a business meeting at two different strip clubs? Like I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he charges it to the NFL Players Association. Correct, Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

That was the story. I do not condone it at all. I do not think it is right. It should never have happened. It should never happen going forward.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

How do you think players should feel about the NFL Players association now?

[Dan Patrick]

This is not where we wanted to be when we launched the search years ago. We were looking for an executive director that was going to be here for two plus terms. That's like 10 years. That did not happen. So this is not part of the plan. I think what's the most important thing for the players right now is to understand that this is their union. The players need to come together. They need to find an interim to lead in the time being, and then they need to find a search to find somebody that is going to lead them going forward. And this is not the timeline we wanted. We wanted a longer Runway going into the next cba, but these are now where the chips have fallen. And I think the players need to take a very hard look at the organization about what to do moving forward and find the person that's going to come in and make this organization what they want it to be. Because in the end, the players are the most important part of this. That's who leads this. That's who this is all about. And the players need to dive in and take care of it.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

What's the feedback been from current players over the last couple of months?

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, this is also a weird time in the schedule where a lot of guys are away. So I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in the last couple of days as they get back in the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've told them I've loved working for the players since I became president. It has been an honor. And that no matter what happens, I will always be there for them. Because that has been always my motivation is just doing what's best for the guys. And that was one of the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like I lose opportunities to do work for the guys. And that's sad. It was a very emotional weekend for me and I finally woke up with Some clarity of this is the best decision for me and my family. But I'm always going to be sad about leaving the organization because those guys do a ton of work and I understand what they go through and what they put on the line and what they deserve. And I really want them to get what they deserve.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Speaking to a couple of people involved in this and they said they're just a lack of transparency, that it felt like that even when you hired how that it was kind of cloaked and you know, it was a clandestine, shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a, I mean, guilty of lack of transparency would you say that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association?

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, if we go back to the search process, yeah, you can say there was a lack of transparency to the outside. Right. Like, but that's not exactly who we represent. Like, I don't think we owe the outside transparency. I think we discussed it as player leadership, what the search process should look like. We had two previous search processes that weren't good. So it's not like what we used to have was a great option that that bared great results wasn't true. So we did something different that the players voted on unanimously and we executed exactly what we as players decided. And that decision was we wanted the players to make their decision without outside interference telling what they should make. And we did that. And in the end you are judged by your results. And the results were not what we wanted. Again, we wanted somebody here for the next 10 years. That did not happen. So I think when they launch their next search, they should have a discussion learning from the mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last one of what they want to change and what they want to do different. No search is perfect. I think there are changes needed and I think they will figure out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those. But yeah, I think the transparency is a. Is an issue that we talk about of what needs to be known. Again, I have frustrations now because you have two sides of the coin. One of, well, let the, let the public dive in and get to know these candidates and share what they found out about them. But I look at my situation where there's been a ton of stories out there that just are patently not true and that's not fair to people. It's not fair for somebody with an ax to grind to put out information that isn't true and bury someone's reputation and impact their standing amongst the union. So there are different ways to look at what people should be able to share information on. And I think the guys will end up making the right decision on how they want to run it going forward.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May. The FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and the Baseball Players Association. This is a multi billion dollar group, licensing firm, one team partners. Like there's a lot of stuff going on here. You're chief strategy officer and it feels like nobody knows or knew what was going on here.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. One, I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so I'm not going to speak about it.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

I will say that's ongoing. Is that right?

[Dan Patrick]

Correct. And we have outside counsel looking into it with a group of players looking into it. And that's the important part. Right. We have active players who are on a committee to dive into these issues and evaluate all the issues. Because in the end, it's the players union and the players have to know what's going on. And the players deserve to know what's going on. You're right. And that is a problem. And the players need to get to the bottom of it. And they will. I'm confident they will.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

When are we going to 18 games?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know. That's a CBA issue.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

So whenever you guys have had discussions for a while about this. So are there concessions that you're asking for the players?

[Dan Patrick]

No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers made it clear anytime the microphone gets in his face, he brings up 18 games. So I think he's been clear about what they want. But in the end they can't unilaterally impose that. That needs to be something that's given in a CBA negotiations and those haven't started and those probably aren't going to start for a while at this point with everything going on. And in the end, that is a major. If that is something players are ever willing to give, that is a major give that damages players, hurts them bad. I know Roger went on a long list of things recently around sharing costs and lowering cash payments in more international games. Those are all things that are really bad for players. And I think players shouldn't rush into a conversation when the other side is listing off a long list of demands that are really bad for them. We have a CBA until 2031. There is no need to rush into those negotiations. If they want to have an early discussion with the players, then they should have a list of things of why it's good for the players. And I haven't heard a reason why having an early negotiation is good for the players at this point.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Do the player, should the players trust the commissioner?

[Dan Patrick]

This isn't a shot at his character. He works on the other side. There's labor and management. He has bosses that are not the players. He has interests that are not the players interests. So you probably should not trust the person who negotiates on the other side of the table because he has other interests besides that. I think the players need to find a leader, an executive director that they do trust and they want in that room to negotiate their behalf for their best interests. That is how unions work. You need a leader of that union to represent the player's interest and you trust that person. You don't trust the person on the other side of the table.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

I ran into Jim McMahon in Tahoe and he's in bad shape. I think there was thought that he might lose part of his leg. And I said, well, but don't you have health benefits? And he said no. So why doesn't Jim McMahon like help me understand this? I mean, do you get it for like five years and then that's it, you're done?

[Dan Patrick]

So there's a couple different ways, I think. One, we've talked about lifetime health care forever. That's been a conversation for 25 years, probably longer at the union. The issue is that is not an option because no one is offering lifetime health care. To get lifetime healthcare, you need an institution to give you lifetime healthcare and there is nobody willing to offer it. No one's willing to take on that risk no matter what the payment is. So that's the reality. So the next step goes. How do you get insurance to players? What we have right now is if you vest, you get five years post career health insurance. You also build up an HRA account. If you map those out, you can build up some insurance for a while. What we need to do is find other ways to supplement the insurance coverage until we have an institution that is willing to give us lifetime health care and we have the money to pay for it. Because again, that is part of the revenue split. Everything comes out of the revenue split. So if we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it, it would come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits. But right now that is not an option. So I think one of the important things of the union is going through and figuring out how to give coverage. We have disability benefits, we have health, we have HRA accounts, we have post career health care. We have a bunch of different things that if you stack up the right way, you can have coverage for a long time, but it's not as clean as just like a single plan that lasts forever.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Jc, thanks for joining us. Good luck.

[Dan Patrick]

Absolutely, thank you.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

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[Mike Tannenbaum]

Mike Tannenbaum of the Mothership, former general manager in the NFL, kind enough to join us. Mike, I want to get your reaction to these two different clips from two different owners. Let me start with Jerry Jones and what he is saying about Micah Parsons. Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, we've signed.

[Dan Patrick]

I remember signing a player for the.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out 2/3 of the year. Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about, just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money. What's the purpose of those comments, Dan?

[JC Tretter]

It's stunning and totally unnecessary. It's the cost of doing business. Nobody knows that better than Jerry Jones, who was one of the architects of the collective barring agreement. Look, there's parts of the agreement that are both. That are good for both sides, Dan, and everyone knows the risks. But you're fortunate to have a great player in Micah Parsons and he's going to be the highest paid non quarterback in the history of the NFL. Every day you don't get that deal done, the more expensive it gets. And I was stunned by what he said.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

All right, and then you have the Bengals owner, Mike Brown, who said this about his great edge rusher, Trey Hendrickson. We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over in the office working to get that done. We like Trey as a person. He's a good guy. But when it comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional. We never have an easy time of it. But there's one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And I think this one will. Okay, you have an owner who inherited a team and he is critical of a player who gets emotional trying to negotiate a contract here. Help me understand what Mike Brown is saying.

[JC Tretter]

Yeah, likewise. That was A surprise. Dan, look, if they had locked Trey Hendrickson in a room after the last game and said, hey, we're gonna make you, the highest paid pass rusher would have been $34 million, 34.1 million higher than Nick Bosa. And when we see the off season, Danelle Hunter, Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, and lately T.J. watt. And if we're running the Bengals, Dan, T.J. watt and Trey Hendrickson are two months apart in terms of age. Trey Hendrickson has out produced TJ Watt over the last two years. And we know based on everything Pittsburgh has done from Aaron Rodgers to DK Metcalf, John who Smith, Jalen Ramsey, Dan, they're going to get D.J. watt done. So why are we waiting? So I was surprised by Mike Brown's comments and I just. They had a great off season getting T. Higgins signed. Jamar Tay side. Why not be aggressive and proactive to get Trey Hendricks inside?

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Yeah, it feels like the Eagles gave us the blueprint, gave us the blueprint for building a team that Howie Roseman's done a wonderful job and Jeffrey Laurie and getting these contracts done. And they, they don't drag out, I don't think, do they, in Philadelphia.

[JC Tretter]

You're making a great point. No. And look, if we're in an arms race, we're the Cowboys and we're trying to catch the Eagles and we're paying premium prices and they're getting discount prices. That's why you lose guys like Jordan Lewis to Jacksonville, DeMarcus Lawrence to Seattle. You know, Adam Schefter mentioned this morning, Dan, like, maybe that's why they didn't have the money signed Derrick Henry. So if you. And they've done a nice job of drafting, if, you know, you have CD Lamb or Dak Prescott or in this case, Parsons, sign them early. You would save tens of millions of dollars. And that translates into keeping more good players to your point, which is what the Eagles have done.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

How tough is it to be a general manager and have an owner who speaks?

[JC Tretter]

Well, look, I always define the job of being a GM is the point guard of information. I gotta sit between the head coach and owner and it could be Darrell Rivas or whomever and say, hey, look, here's where we are, here's what's reasonable, here's what they want. You know, is there a spot that we could all live, live with, fight another day, maybe not ideal. And look, owners are going to speak. They certainly, you know, they're entitled to it. Dan, my whole thing was if we're speaking, let's just be alive on the sound bites. And let's never say anything negative or anything that could be inflammatory to the other side, especially the big media markets. I want, you know, worked in. And Jerry Jones is too smart and too strategic. Like, why would you want to inflame Micah Parsons or even take a shot at Dak Prescott? Wasn't like, Dak Prescott tried to get hurt. You know, the guy cares deeply. He got hurt. So I was really surprised by what, you know, what he said.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But is this how owners really think? We're just hearing the quiet part out loud.

[JC Tretter]

That's a fair question. Look, I don't think it's one size fits all, to be candid. Do some owners think that way? Yeah, obviously they do, but, you know, there's others that all they want to do is, you know, want to win. They understand the risks involved. Look, the collective bar agreement, Dan, is a very long and complicated agreement. All these valuations of the franchises keep going up. So the asset appreciation is a very big one for the owners, which it should be. They've taken the risk of ownership, and they should enjoy the upside. Players get their bites of the apple when they earn it three years and, you know, from their rookie year to get back to the table. So to me, I'm Jerry Jones. I'm very well aware of how much my franchise has gone up. I should thank the players that are busting their tail for me. And when a guy gets hurt, it is what it is. Nobody wants it to happen, but that's just part of the game.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

He's Mike Tanenbaum, the former general manager in the NFL, works for the mothership. How often were you told to sign somebody that you personally didn't want to sign?

[JC Tretter]

Well, I would say what would be more frequent was like, how much to sign the player for. And again, you know, we had a sign up in our. In our office stand in God we Trust. For everyone else, we need data. And basically that symbolized, hey, when we have disagreements on who to pay, how much to pay, it's not going to be who screams louder. It's going to be, let's get more information, let's watch more film, let's do more research, whatever it may be. And I just felt like if we kept drilling down into the information that should lead us to the best decision. It's hard, Dan, because not only do you have 90 players, but it's how much to pay them, how much of the pie to give a player. And you're going to have disagreements on, you know, a player's worth. And I just felt like the more information we could get, the less emotional it is and the more reasonable we can be getting to a landing spot that makes sense.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

What is the downside of paying Micah Parsons a dollar more than TJ Watt.

[JC Tretter]

If you're going to lose other good players? Like when your cap is 280 million and 60 is going to DAC and and 41 or 2 is going up, you know, Parsons and CD Lambs getting his like you're upwards of, you know, 130, 35 million dollars for three players and you know you're going to have injuries. So that's why to your point, which I agree with, on a team like the Eagles and you have devontae Smith or AJ Brown that's getting paid the mid-20s and CD lambs in the 30s, that cumulatively adds up and we're seeing more and more of the top end of these players get more money. Like if Patrick Mahomes walks in tomorrow and says to Andy Reid, either pay me 70 million a year or are going to retire, they're going to pay him 70 million a year. That's going to cost them, you know, a good guard in Joe Tuney for example. And that's the context of the decisions you have to make, which is when we pay a star player, which is a great problem to have, somebody else is going to have to leave the roster.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

Always great to talk to you, Mike. Safe travels. Thanks for joining us.

[JC Tretter]

Appreciate you having me. Thanks, Dan.

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