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Seton O'Connor
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Bobby Bones
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Paul Pabst
Welcome to my Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
Bobby Bones
Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and Billy Porter.
Dan Patrick
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Paul Pabst
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Todd Fritz
This is My Legacy.
Paul Pabst
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. The New Orleans Saints are the last team looking for a head coach, and maybe their coach is coaching in the Super Bowl. Kellen Moore, Usually when you have candidates who take their name out of the running, that usually means they're taking their name out because their name is already out. Mike McCarthy says he will focus on 2026, maybe getting a job, but Cliff Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator for the Commanders, said that he's going to stay with the Commanders. It feels like it's Kellen Moore's job. I don't know if there's any other candidates. Kellen Moore can go to New Orleans and stay in New Orleans after the super bowl, day after the super bowl, win or lose, hold a press conference. And you got all the members of the media there get a lot of publicity for the Saints there. But Kellen Moore, the offensive coordinator formerly with the Cowboys, spent some time with the Chargers and now maybe headed to the New Orleans Saints. And we, we focused a lot yesterday on, on press conferences. And that initial reaction when you see your team just hired somebody and you go, I love seeing Pete Carroll up there. From a Raiders fan, Liam Cohen, I don't know anything about him seems a little quirky, but maybe he's a mad scientist. Maybe he can help our quarterback Trevor Lawrence the way he did Baker Mayfield. And then you had the Cowboy situation. Aaron Glenn was fiery with the jets, and you're like, yeah, he's one of us. He understands us. This is great. And then the Cowboy situation. So out of all of those, I don't look at this as an indictment on Liam. Liam Cohen, because he was a little goofy. Aaron Glenn, fiery. We've seen Dan Campbell when he was fiery. Remember Nick Sirianni? He stumbled all through his press conference, we've had these moments like you want to win the press conference, and Pete Carroll is going to win a press conference. He's going to have energy in there, chomping on the gum there. And I think there's a sense of stability there that he provides the Cowboys. That, to me, is more troubling because that's really a snapshot of what I think is going to happen. As long as Brian Schottenheimer is going to be the head coach of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones, he dominated the press conference. And I said this yesterday. I mean, I've been around this 40 years. I've been to press conferences with some of the biggest names in all the sports, and that one was one where I was troubled by it, because I don't. Jerry, obviously doesn't read the room, and he probably feels like he doesn't have to. Here's Brian Schottenheimer. It's his moment. He got to be a head coach in the NFL. You're coaching the Cowboys. Your dad would have been so proud. He gets emotional, and then Jerry comes in and has to talk about his dad, and then he gets emotional. And I just felt bad for Brian Schottenheimer because I think we're going to look at him through that lens. That is. Yeah, but Jerry's still the GM and the head coach there. He just is. And that, to me, felt like, get used to this. Aaron Glenn. I liked it. I mean, come on in. Let's go. I mean, you. You're going to be aggressive. You're going to be taking names. Hold, you know, getting receipts. Great. I love it. Liam Cohen, still, it was awkward, but it was. It was entertaining. I don't know if he's likable because there's still the. Wait a minute. Were you supposed to be going back to Tampa and then you got on a plane and, you know, hopefully your son's healthy? Like that, to me, was just a little bit of a mess there. But, you know, you move past. If you win, you move past all these things. And certainly that opening press conference where we tend to put a little too much credibility on that, or, oh, my God, did you see our coach? I just want to know, can you coach? Maybe you can't deal with the media. Can you coach? That's really the most important. You can be charismatic as hell. Going to those press conferences, if your team's not any good, you won't be charismatic too long in front of the media. Yes, Paul.
Dan Patrick
I went back and looked, and you're right. The Sirianni reviews after his press conferences were not good. And a lot of it, they said, we don't know a lot about these assistant coaches. They don't do interviews. So sometimes, at least America, it's the first time you see in them. And Sirianni got roughed up. Dan Campbell was mixed reviews. Some people liked his, and some people said, well, is this guy a coach or just a motivator?
Paul Pabst
I think we were laughing at. And with. Maybe it was, oh, gosh, did you see that? And we're thinking, well, the Lions. It's the Lions, you know, biting kneecaps. But, hey, they made him super bowl contenders, so nobody's laughing at him now. And Aaron Glenn came in there he was on the staff with Dan Campbell and probably thought, hey, that's how he coaches and I can coach the same way and I can have success with the Jets. Woody Johnson is the owner of the jets and he spoke to the media and he talked about what he needs to do next season. I have to look in the mirror.
Dan Patrick
And write I have to be a better, better owner. And I'm trying to be better. And I do self scout and a lot of people scout for me. You know, I've got to have patience or whatever.
Paul Pabst
I've got to let them, let them.
Dan Patrick
Evolve as in these positions, which I think they will. I think it'll be quick, but I think they'll evolve.
Paul Pabst
Okay, so Woody Johnson needs to be a better owner. Five weeks ago today, there was an article that came out on the Athletic from Diana Rossini. This is a deep dive on the jets and just how messed up they are. And I don't know if Woody Johnson, owner, billionaire, don't tell me what to do, looked at that and actually looked in the mirror, because I would have said to him, if he said, hey, I gotta look in the mirror and be a better owner. What is it that you did before that you need to improve upon Woody? Because he really needs to let people do their jobs. I find that the, that the more an owner is involved, the less successful you are. Because it's hard to work that way if somebody's always there over your shoulder. Mean, even with the Danettes, the guys that I have in the back room, you got to let them do their job and if they make a mistake, then, you know, you correct them and then you hope that it doesn't happen again. But if you're always there, if you're omnipresent, you just can't let somebody be themselves. And I think that is the problem sometimes, certainly with the Cowboys, with the Jets. I mean, Woody Johnson, his sons are involved in decisions. You know, did they go into the locker room and they're talking trash to the players? But five weeks ago today that article came out and maybe Woody Johnson says, let me take a step back. I think that would be beneficial for the Jets. Mark Davis is the owner of the Raiders and he talked about the impact of Tom Brady bringing in.
Todd Fritz
Tom Brady was bringing in somebody that.
Paul Pabst
Was on the football side that I.
Todd Fritz
Had been lacking having here at the organization back in, I guess it was.
Paul Pabst
18 with John Gruden. He was somebody that I brought in and really expected to be that person.
Todd Fritz
On the football side that would bring stability to the organization.
Paul Pabst
He had a 10 year contract and.
Todd Fritz
All that, and his head was chopped off.
Seton O'Connor
And we were put in a really.
Paul Pabst
Bad position as an organization head was chopped off. Yeah. I was told a while ago, in fact said it here, that Brady was running the team. This is his. And that's not a question. Now everybody knows that that's the, that Tom was going to be involved in who the coach was going to be and certainly what are they going to do with the quarterbacking position. But Mark Davis is smart to let Tom Brady do this. These guys are smart to get where they are, to have that money to buy a team. I don't know why. They just get dumb. And I think it's, it's because it's sports. And they're like, well, I know sport like Jerry Jones played at Arkansas back in the 60s. He was a lineman. That doesn't mean that he knows what he's doing with football. Just because he played. I played basketball. That doesn't mean I could be a GM or a coach. But I understand the game. But Jerry, hey, I played, you didn't. Okay, but that doesn't mean he should be involved in the day to day. And that's part of the problem here. Hey, I'm, I'm smart. I got a billion dollars or 2 or 3 or 4. Therefore, I guess I can be smart in football as well. It's different. It's so different than I'm running a business. This is a different monster that you're trying to run. Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Pauline, I've always had a theory. I mentioned to you before, there's a lot of billionaires in our country, but I think a lot of billionaires still would love to be famous and known for what they do. And I think a lot of them, that's why they buy teams. Of course it's a great investment. It's the best investment. But there's some. I don't know if Mark Cuban, that was part of his plan, but it worked or just by default. But guys like Jerry Jones and Arthur Blank and some of them, they want to be seen, they want to do press conferences, they want to talk, they want to be heard and known because you can't necessarily buy fame in our country.
Paul Pabst
Well, just ask Dan Snyder. He got 6 billion for his team and he's probably miserable because he's not Dan Snyder and nobody cares. Don Donald Sterling, no one cares. But they did care because you were the owner of my team. But being a billionaire, great. Being a billionaire who owns a team now, all of a sudden people, people look at you differently that way. Seaton back on the road with Mako go to danpatrick.com. you can follow the road trip to New Orleans. Most cars on the road could use a little tlc. At Mako, we bring your car back to life with affordable paint jobs, light collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako. All right, Dylan, you're up. What's our poll question today? All right, Dan, our one poll question. Which coaching hire will we look at the most favorably in three years time? Pete Carroll, the Raiders, Aaron Glenn with the jets, shoddy with the Cowboys, or Liam Cohen with the Jags? Now, you're not putting in Mike Brable in this? No, These are just the latest batch. Okay. All right, what other poll question do you have? Didn't we answer best hire, worst hire yesterday? I think we did that in the final. Oh, Dylan. Well, I thought we were going to continue the conversation. Not best hire right now, but three years time. Which will we look at the best? Am I. Is this working? I don't know. Are you doubling down? I'm going to double down. Okay. I don't hedge my bets. Okay, how about this? Yeah, you should. I've seen your bets. Okay, give me another possibility here. All right, If I was offered the Saints head coaching job, I would take it. Stay a coordinator or assistant or sit out and wait a year for better opportunities.
Dan Patrick
I thought you were asking us, like us in this room.
Paul Pabst
That's Fritzi's poll question, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, okay.
Todd Fritz
We all share.
Paul Pabst
Okay. I thought it was a good one. Okay, but you didn't give him credit, Todd. Thank you. I think you were waiting for our reaction before. It's a. It's a veteran. McLovin used to do that all the time. Oh, you guys didn't like that one?
Martin Luther King III
That was Todd.
Paul Pabst
Yes, exactly.
Todd Fritz
I would take the job. I would take the stitch. I want to be a head coach.
Paul Pabst
Okay, well, I'll start with the best hire three years from now. Yeah. Okay, well, okay, what is a good job? You know, if Aaron Glenn gets the jets into the playoffs, did he do a great job? If. If Brian Schottenheimer just gets into the playoffs with the Cowboys over the next three years, did he do a good, good job? I mean, Mike McCarthy got him to the playoffs three times. Liam Cohen, Jags get to the playoffs. Like, I think we have to understand how we're grading them. If you make the playoffs, you make a title game, you make the Super Bowl. Out of all of those hires, who's got the best chance to make it to the super bowl, that might. That Might be. What is the telltale sign of who did a really incredible job? Aaron Glenn, the Jets. He still can't decide if they're bringing Aaron Rodgers back or Rogers wants to come back. God, that's going to hang over them. I hope that they wrap that up quickly. I hope by the draft they know that Aaron is either back for another year or he's not. Because if not, I mean, I thought that that would be. That was a detriment with that job that you kind of. You were. You had to absorb that. You were walking in and all of a sudden that was handed to you. Like, here you go. I don't know what the backup plan for the jets is going to be. Yes, Todd, I think if we look.
Todd Fritz
At it as in, we don't have to change the wording completely, but which team looks like they're going in the right direction.
Paul Pabst
So this way we avoid wins, losses.
Todd Fritz
Did you reach the wild card round? Did you not finish in last place?
Paul Pabst
And who would that be next year to?
Todd Fritz
What just happened this past year?
Paul Pabst
How about who looks like a Super bowl contender in three years? Can you ask that question to gauge how successful somebody is?
Todd Fritz
Could easily be none of them, though. In the next three years it could be.
Paul Pabst
Could. Thank you. I realized that in three years. I don't know if anybody. That's why they. That's why they had vacancies, Todd. That's because they.
Todd Fritz
That's asking a lot for any of these people to get them towards the super bowl in the next two or.
Paul Pabst
Three years, I think. Thank you. Back to you. Yes.
Dan Patrick
Teams with new coaches. The Patriots had the fourth pick of the draft. Jacksonville has a fifth. Vegas has a sixth pick of the draft. The jets have the seventh pick of the draft. The Saints have the ninth.
Paul Pabst
Yeah, yeah. The Saints is just sort of a. You know, feels like they got seven wins in them. Maybe eight, maybe nine if all goes well. Yes, Marvin, they're the Titans of the nfc. Oh, wow. Irrelevant. No man's land. They're better uniforms. Yes.
Dan Patrick
Correct. Yeah, actually. Correct.
Paul Pabst
Better uniforms. Yes.
Dan Patrick
Paul, they are somewhat. No offense. Stuck with Derek Carr, who's turning 34. He'll make about $40 million next year and they cannot get rid of him this offseason in any way. Next off season, possibly, but he signed a four year, $150 million contract with the Saints.
Paul Pabst
But that's not. It's not terrible.
Dan Patrick
It's unfixable.
Paul Pabst
But he's a. He's a top 15 quarterback, isn't he?
Dan Patrick
17.
Paul Pabst
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Seton O'Connor
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I, I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
Paul Pabst
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
Seton O'Connor
I don't like the color edition.
Paul Pabst
It's extremely pink.
Seton O'Connor
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bobby Bones
I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. If only there were a professional WNBA player with her own podcast I could listen to. Hey, this is Lexi Brown, WNBA player and professional yapper. And this is Mariah Rose. You may know me from spilling the tea on Hoops for hotties on TikTok. And we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball and not just in the wnba, but with Athletes Unlimited unrivaled and college basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories, and a little bit of tea. I know you guys have seen a lot of former and current basketball players telling their stories from their point of view, and I just think it's time for the girlies to tap in. We want to share all of the women's basketball stories that you won't see anywhere else. Tune into Full Circle, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Paul Pabst
Welcome to my Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
Bobby Bones
Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter. And they're plus one. They're ride or Die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey.
Dan Patrick
Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio.
Paul Pabst
App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Todd Fritz
This is my legacy.
Paul Pabst
Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley.
Todd Fritz
Time to remind them.
Paul Pabst
Yellowstone fans, step into the Yellowstone universe. Our family legacy is this ranch. When I protect, I live my life. Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone Podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide.
Todd Fritz
Action.
Paul Pabst
Explore untold behind the scenes stories, exclusive cast interviews and in depth discussions about the themes and legacy of Yellowstone.
Todd Fritz
You know, the first students to settle.
Paul Pabst
This valley fighting was all they knew. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the ranch, welcome to the Yellowstone. Bobby Bones has everything you need to stay connected to the Yellowstone phenomenon.
Seton O'Connor
I look forward to it.
Paul Pabst
Listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Todd Fritz
Let's go to work.
Bobby Bones
Here at Life Kit NPR's Self Help Podcast. We love the idea of helping you make meaningful lifestyle changes. Our policy is to never be too punishing on yourself or too grand in your goals, which is why we've got shows on how to make little nudges to your behavior and create habits that stick. Listen to the life Kit podcast on iHeartRadio.
Paul Pabst
Oh, look who's there. Oh, look at that face seat, no counter. Don't get too close with the camera there. Yo, Seaton, on the road. What is the. What is the location?
Martin Luther King III
We're in Greensboro, North Carolina, right now. I'm with my guy. Phil Collins, believe it or not, is here.
Paul Pabst
Phil Collins is there.
Martin Luther King III
Yes. In the Mako world, Phil Collins is a big deal. I think he's, like, the largest owner of Mako's here. And then there's the other Phil Collins that Todd would be more familiar with.
Paul Pabst
I can feel it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Martin Luther King III
I. In my body to make some type of reference. I was like, I. I can't. But he's.
Paul Pabst
He's.
Martin Luther King III
Luckily, he's a big Alabama guy. So we talked Alabama football and Nick Saban nil for a little bit. And no references to anything Genesis related.
Paul Pabst
Okay. The highlight so far has been.
Martin Luther King III
Let's see, man, we had a really good dinner last night at a place called Machete. Or a Machete. Not really sure which. Me and the French kid haven't killed each other just yet, but that could be on the way.
Paul Pabst
But.
Martin Luther King III
No, we're doing okay. We're doing okay. There's been at almost every place that we've stopped so far at a Mako location. Somebody there is really into drifting. You know, like cars where they're, like, sliding around each other. So that's been pretty cool. That's actually. There's like a huge. I don't know. I mean, we're at a garage, so, of course, people, it's positive. It's popular there, but drifting is a big thing. It's pretty awesome.
Paul Pabst
And where are we off to today?
Martin Luther King III
After Greensboro, we're going to Charlotte for a quick stop there. Then we're going to Greenville, South Carolina, and then maybe, if we have enough time, on to Atlanta.
Paul Pabst
You're still on target for Friday in New Orleans.
Martin Luther King III
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should make New Orleans on Friday. Yeah, that's the plan. But then we got to stop in Birmingham, Gulfport, a couple other places.
Paul Pabst
All right, you're seeing all the Mako people. That's it.
Martin Luther King III
Yeah, yeah, they're treating us well. We got coffee and donuts here. It's pretty sweet.
Paul Pabst
All right. Got it made. You and the French kid, Does he have his watermelon vape pen with him on? He's not. He's not vaping?
Martin Luther King III
No, he isn't. He hasn't been vaping at all this time. It's been this trip, I could say for a lot of different reasons. It's been much different than the previous two. No vaping?
Todd Fritz
No.
Martin Luther King III
Yeah, he's on his best behavior.
Paul Pabst
And. No. No accidents yet.
Martin Luther King III
No, no. The van is in exactly the same shape as when we left.
Paul Pabst
Good. Well, good to see you. We'll chat with you tomorrow.
Martin Luther King III
Yeah. All right. See you guys.
Paul Pabst
That's Seton O'Connor on the road, courtesy of Mako the Great folks there, our new partner on the road to New Orleans in time for the Super Bowl. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Seton O'Connor
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
Paul Pabst
There was something sentimental when you. When you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?
Seton O'Connor
I don't like the color edition.
Paul Pabst
It's extremely pink.
Seton O'Connor
Let's have a lot to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Bobby Bones
I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. If only there were a professional WNBA player with her own podcast I could listen to. Hey, this is Lexi Brown, WNBA player and professional yapper. And this is Mariah Rose. You may know me from spilling the tea on Hoops for hotties on TikTok. And we've got a new podcast, Full Circle Every Wednesday, we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball, and not just in the wnba, but with Athletes Unlimited Unrivaled and college basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories, and a little bit of tea. I know you guys have seen a lot of former and current basketball players telling their stories from their point of view, and I just think it's time for the girlies to tap in. We want to share all of the women's basketball stories that you won't see anywhere else. Tune into Full Circle, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deeply Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Paul Pabst
Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
Bobby Bones
Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter and their plus one, their ride or Die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey.
Dan Patrick
Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio.
Paul Pabst
App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Todd Fritz
This is my legacy.
Paul Pabst
Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley.
Todd Fritz
Time to remind them.
Paul Pabst
Yellowstone fans Step Yellowstone Universe. Our family legacy is this ranch and.
Todd Fritz
I protect I live my life.
Paul Pabst
Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone Podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide. Action Explore untold behind the scenes stories, exclusive cast interviews and in depth discussions about the themes and legacy of Yellowstone.
Todd Fritz
You know, the first students to settle.
Paul Pabst
This valley fighting was all they knew. Whether you're a longtime fan or new.
Todd Fritz
To the ranch, welcome to the Yellowstone.
Paul Pabst
Bobby Bones has everything you need to stay connected to the Yellowstone phenomenon.
Seton O'Connor
I look forward to it.
Paul Pabst
Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Todd Fritz
Let's go to work.
Bobby Bones
Here at Life Kit, NPR's Self Help podcast, we love the idea of helping you make meaningful lifestyle changes. Our policy is to never be too punishing on yourself or too grand in your goals, which is why we've got shows on how to make little nudges to your behavior and create habits that stick. Listen to the Life Kit podcast on iHeartRadio.
Paul Pabst
He's the commissioner of the NBA for the last 11 years. Adam Silver joining us on the program. Hi, commissioner. How are you?
Todd Fritz
I'm good, Dan. I, I need some more stuff on my desk.
Paul Pabst
What happened?
Todd Fritz
It's clean. I, I like all the stuff you got there, though.
Paul Pabst
Well, you got some poll with teams. Why don't you just have a little chotchkis there? You get bobblehead dolls up there.
Todd Fritz
I've got them. I just, I put paper on my desk. We have a different jobs.
Paul Pabst
What is the coolest thing in your office?
Todd Fritz
I have one of Shaq's shoes that looks like a snow boot. And you could use it as a planner.
Paul Pabst
Well, I have one too. His Reebok shoe.
Todd Fritz
Yeah. It wasn't. It was the brand that he created after Re. I think it was like Dunk Man, I think, was the brand.
Paul Pabst
Okay.
Todd Fritz
And it's enormous. It looks. It doesn't look real.
Paul Pabst
Well, he only gave me one. I don't know why he only gives out one shoe.
Todd Fritz
He gave me the other. I only have one. Give the left and right.
Paul Pabst
I, I think I have the left one, but I got the right.
Todd Fritz
He, he split the pair between us.
Paul Pabst
I got Tim Duncan shoes from when they won the NBA title against the Knicks. And he said, I'll give you my shoes if you tell me who's the number one sports century athlete. They just win the NBA championship. He comes in, I'm doing SportsCenter, he's got his shoes, and he writes to DP Tim Duncan. And then he said, all right, who's number one on the list? And I, I, Nobody knew because we had that countdown. I said, it's Jordan. And he said, all right, here's your shoes. So I got Tim Duncan shoes after the NBA Finals. Did you get any Jordan stuff when you were with, you know, Commissioner Stern?
Todd Fritz
No. I mean, only because it wouldn't have been appropriate. I mean, I guess I was around a lot of Jordan stuff, but I, I wasn't a collector. I don't think it would be appropriate.
Paul Pabst
Well, when you weren't the commissioner, you could have said, hey, be nice to get a pair of Mike shoes.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, I bought a lot of Jordan shoes over the years.
Paul Pabst
Yeah, Well, I, I talked to. Who is it? Tim. Who's the Tim? The Tim. No, no, Tim. Who was the Bulls PR guy? Tim. Tim Hallam.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, Tim.
Paul Pabst
How he would get Jordan shoes after every NBA Finals, every title. He. Mike would take off the shoes and autograph them and hand them to him after every one. I don't know if he sold those things, but those things gotta be worth. Because they're championship worn. NBA shoes by Mike. They gotta be worth a whole lot of money.
Todd Fritz
And think about the business Mike created as a division of Nike, the Jordan brand. I mean it's, you know, it's a multi billion dollar business at this point. I mean how many, think about how many athletes have retained. Oh yeah, a kind of notoriety, you know, this many decades post playing career and it's, I mean he's an amazing guy obviously and still a small owner in the league in Charlotte. But my, you know, post his playing career, I mean I knew him a bit over the years but you know, post playing career we got to be really close and he was obviously one of my bosses for the first several years. I was the commissioner and still amazing person.
Paul Pabst
Give me the list here. Like what, what's top on your list here of what needs to be addressed with the NBA.
Todd Fritz
I think top on my list is the transition we're going through in media now. I mean we, we locked in our new media deals for essentially the next decade. Staying with Disney, ABC and espn, moving to Comcast, Universal, Peacock in addition to being on NBC and now Amazon. But I think more interesting in a way is not just moving from one partner to another, but the shift in live sports to streaming. And I think where as most fans see it now and maybe even a little bit of a pain that they got a switch off their box or whatever else and then find the app or however they have to do it from a programming standpoint, it's still they're finding what in essence looks like the same game. It's just streamed, other than being on broadcast or conventional cable. What's really fascinating to me is all the functionality that sort of Internet TV will allow through streaming, all the personalization, the customization that will come, all the new types of information you can present to fans as they're watching games. You know, all that optionality. I think, I mean, you know, when we first met, I was at NBA Entertainment and sort of, sort of began my career on the production side. And I think it's at this moment we can redefine how we present the game to fans and also make it a lot more convenient. I mean in our new deals every game will be streamed and we have a very young audience. You know, they're watching more screen time than ever before, but not traditional television. And I think our ability to bring those games directly to them and in ways they want to consume them, I'll add to that as well. I think using social media to engage fans, I mean not just to interest them. I Mean, like example talked about recently, Victor Wembanyama was in New York on Christmas Day and then was around for two more days because then he played in Brooklyn two days later and he's a chess player and he went to Washington Square Park. I'm sure you saw that clip. Something like 100 million people in a week saw video of him playing chess in Washington Square Park. And our viewership, which is fine, pales though in comparison to the social media following of these players and the league. That number on a global basis is over 2 billion. And I think sort of my job is to get more basketball lovers to watch the NBA and watch it longer. And I think there's an opportunity to use social media to create more engagement and not just to show how multifaceted Wemby is and he loves to play chess, but to teach people about the game, to celebrate the game, to demonstrate why. I know you're, you're a college basketball player. I know you love the game. Like why this is such an incredible game and help people better understand what they're watching, understand the finer points of the game and fair to be critical of it at times too. And you know, should there be less three point shooting, etc. I mean, that's something we're very focused on. But when I, day in and day out, you know, and I have all the various streaming services and have all different programming available to me, I don't think it's an accident that people are increasingly gravitating towards premium live sports. Not just basketball, but obviously football, hockey, baseball, et cetera, wnba. Now, I think because people crave something that's live, something that's, you know, unscripted, something that can be entertaining as well. And I think the basketball and the NBA can be all those things. But we also, our job has become that much harder because we're competing against so many different forms of entertainment. It's podcasts and social media and unlimited numbers of channels and programming. And so we have to up our game too, to make sure that we're finding ways to engage viewers and again to teach people about the game. And that's been one of my frustrations. I think that. And I don't blame the broadcasters and it's hard, you broadcast a lot of basketball, that the game's moving so quickly. You don't have the space that you might have in football or in baseball to be talking more about what's unfolding before you.
Paul Pabst
But what bothers you more? The ratings or the coverage of the ratings?
Todd Fritz
The ratings are fine. I mean, we're roughly even with last season for the regular season, which was the highest ratings for a regular season in four years. There is, I get it, there was a narrative early in the season. We were down a bit. I, you know, it's. You've been covering the league for a long time. I mean, it seems that there's always a narrative around our sport. You know, too physical, too much isolation, scoring too low, you know, super teams, player empowerment. I mean, I could go on and on. And then the narrative early in the season became the ratings are down because of three point shooting. I think those are two independent issues the ratings are now about even with last year. And as I said, if you look more broadly at other measures of engagement, our attendance last season was the highest in the history of the league. You can't look at social media over too long a spectrum because it didn't exist. But when you add in social media, the game has never been more popular in terms of the engagement. So do I get frustrated around the narrative around ratings? Yeah. Especially when because of the decline in traditional television, decline in cable homes, everyone's down a bit. So, you know, plus we entered into our new deals for the next decade. So I feel good about that. But I think those narratives become a reality to the extent, especially even when we're doing well, it's still only a significant, a relatively small percentage of the population that's watching live games. So there's a lot of people out there, there who may not be fans of the NBA and become consumed with that story. And again, NBA seems to take a disproportionate amount of that discussion. I think maybe because we're so relevant from a societal standpoint, our players have been outspoken. There's been a history of activism, certain cases in this league. For whatever those reasons. I think at the end of the day, my job is to find more people who are inclined to want to watch live sports, to want to watch basketball, and convert them into NBA fans.
Paul Pabst
All right, let me, Let me.
Todd Fritz
I don't want to lose sight of that.
Paul Pabst
Let me do rapid fire because there's a few topics here. The nil ruling has made college basketball more of an attractive path for athletes in recent years. I don't know if that changes allowing players out of high school, that you will revisit that. But what is. Is the NCAA a friend or a foe to the NBA?
Todd Fritz
NCAA is a great friend. In fact, Charlie Baker, who's the former governor of Massachusetts, I've gotten to know well over the last couple of years. We're talking about more that we can do together. I mean, you remember in the not so old days, if we touched a amateur, you know, high school player, we could cause them to lose their eligibility. Now, of course, you know, through collectives and nil, they're paid. And what we've been talking the NCAA about is we should jointly get more involved in youth basketball, particularly the training of elite players. The vast majority of them will never make it to the NBA, but will play in college. And so we have a joint interest not in developing elite players. And then for the broader base of players we have a joint interest in for young boys and of course young girls, getting them to be more active. You know, basketball is a great sport to do that, getting them again to love the game. Charlie Baker himself was a college player. So we're working together, I think on the, specifically on nil and collectives. I think there's work to be done in college basketball because just like in the NBA where over successive collective bargaining agreements we've helped to level the playing field in terms of competition. We've had six different teams win championships over the last six years. At the end of the day, we're selling competition. And I think college has to work through some issues where now as players in essence through the portal, can become essentially free agents every year, that there's no real salary structure. So you have a lot of real, you know, out of whack balance in terms of teams ability to compete. And I think for fans of the college game, and I'm one of them, at the end of the day, you want to see great competition in Division 1.
Paul Pabst
But when you revisit like the G League, you got players who are just going to the G League. If you allowed them to come out of high school to the NBA, they wouldn't be going to the G League, I would imagine.
Todd Fritz
Well, yes, but in fact, you know, back before those court rulings which allowed the collectives in nil, at the urging of Condoleezza Rice, who oversaw a commission with the NCAA and President Obama, to a certain extent, we were asked to create a professional track because the view was it was unfair to so called force these young men to go to college for a year before they came into the NBA. So we weren't ready to return to 18 as the, as the minimum age in the NBA. We stayed at 19. But through the G League we created something called team Ignite where we were paying players several hundred thousand dollars a year on a pro track and then could come into the NBA. That seems like a pittance now based on what players are able to earn in Division 1 through these college programs. And frankly, I think the track through these great college programs is better than what we are offering them in the G League because they have first class training facilities, some of the greatest coaches out there, planes, et cetera. That didn't make sense in our economic model and still doesn't for the G League. So I'm perfectly fine with them going to college. And by the way, you know, what you've also seen with nil and collective money is there's a big pool of international players who would have stayed largely in Europe and played but are now coming to play Division 1 basketball because it's a better economic situation for them and ultimately a bet, probably better development too if their goal is to get into the NBA.
Paul Pabst
All right, give me, give me the wildest thing that you guys have considered. I'm sure there's always, you know, we're going to try this. You know, the NFL doing the kickoff the way they did. It's pretty crazy that that's what it looks like. Give me a. This has been discussed.
Todd Fritz
I mean, one that's only been discussed a little. I wouldn't put it necessarily in the category of being so wild is potentially two free throws for a foul and a three point shot. That's. I don't necessarily think I would do it in the last two minutes of the game, but I think that's something interesting. Something else that I'm a fan of and I'm probably in a minority as we get more involved in Global Basketball. The NBA is the only league that plays 48 minutes and I would be. I am a fan of four ten minute quarters. I'm not sure that many others are. I mean, putting aside what it means for records and things like that, I think that a two hour format for a game is more consistent with sort of modern television habits. I don't think people in arenas aren't asking us to shorten the game, but I think as a television program being two hours, that's Olympic basketball is being two is two hours. You know, college basketball, of course, is.
Paul Pabst
Yeah, but if you like it, I'd say it has kind of a little bit of a push there.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, but it's such a dramatic change to the game. I mean, I think something like that would have to be talked more about over time. I mean, incidentally.
Paul Pabst
But the pitch clock was dramatic, Commissioner.
Todd Fritz
Yeah, no, I get it. And I'm a fan of what baseball did. I'm a baseball fan and I think some of those changes have really increased sort of the engagement, the entertainment value of the game. And so I'm paying a lot of attention to that. And in fact I've used the pitch clock, the sort of the increasing the size of the base, et cetera in meetings at the NBA to say, you know, if baseball, which is more locked into tradition, and I don't mean that negatively than any other sport, part of what baseball provides is the tradition, the legacy, that if they're able to make those changes, certainly we shouldn't be afraid to look at changes as well. So, you know, I also think though we have made a series of changes over the years, they haven't been as dramatic in many cases. You know, we've changed the format in the last two minutes of the game so we wouldn't have as many stoppages. We have a coaches challenge now. You know, we had the hacker Shack issue, we changed the rule there. I mean there's this, we added the cup, you know, which we now have. We have a play in tournament. I mean, so we've made significant changes.
Paul Pabst
I have an idea, I have an idea. Before I let you go, how about we take away the three point line during the in season tournament?
Todd Fritz
Interesting. I mean it's, it's like the issue there.
Paul Pabst
Wait, that wasn't interesting.
Todd Fritz
I'm not like, I like the three point shot. I mean, let me take a step back. I mean if you think from when you first started covering the NBA to the skill level of big men now, I mean, look at Victor Wembanyama, look at Giannis, you know, look, look at Jokic. Look what these guys can do. You know, it was, it was like the fact that they are so skillful that they can shoot from these kinds of distances, shoot in the way guards used to be able to. Like, is there too much three point shooting in certain situations? Maybe. But I also don't want to overreact to what we're seeing in the game because the game goes through transitions. I think the game is incredible right now, day in, day out. I think some of the criticism is a bit unfair. And that goes back to my earlier point that I think the league needs to do a better job teaching about the game so that there's real appreciation for what people are seeing out there. And again, ratings are fine. We have enormous global interest. People like what they're seeing right now on the floor. So I don't necessarily buy into the premise that it'll be a better game if you if you eliminated three point.
Paul Pabst
Shooting, how about we make the, the, the floor like a pinball machine where the three point line lights up and when it lights up then you know you're able to take threes. Like you could, you could really dress up the floor. You guys did a pretty good job of the end season. But why don't we make it pinball?
Todd Fritz
Like I don't know if you remember, but last year at All Star, on All Star Saturday night we had literally a lit court.
Paul Pabst
Yeah.
Todd Fritz
And we played with things like that. I mean I like, I have one foot in sort of the traditionalist camp, you know and I really do care about the game and I think it's so special that I think when you move to that place that, where it seems too gimmicky and I don't think, and I think what baseball did, they found right down the middle path where they preserved what's so great about that game but found some ways to speed it up I think have been very effective. So we're open here. We talk a lot about potential change of the game. I would just add back to some notion of a 40 point of a 40 minute game. I mean because this game is so global, one of the things we'd like to see over time is creating a more consistent set of rules globally around the game. Like you know, again the Olympic basketball, I'm sure you watched, you know, on NBC and Peacock, the U.S. serbia, U.S. france. Those are people who are basketball fans. Some are saying those are two of the best games they ever saw. Incidentally, if you went to a 40 minute game with the issues around load management and resting, it would be the equivalent of, I don't know the exact Math, taking like 15 games off the season.
Paul Pabst
I like that.
Todd Fritz
So, so. And I don't think most fans would be disappointed if it was a two hour presentation instead of a. You know, our game is actually about 2, 2 hours and 15 minutes now.
Paul Pabst
You're going to find out the reaction the rest of the day as this gets posted that you're considering 10 minute quarters. I gotta go.
Todd Fritz
Well I, I didn't fully say. You asked me for some ideas. I'm just not quite at that level.
Paul Pabst
I'm not saying there's a vote this week, commissioner. I'm just saying social media will look at this and go, hey, that sounds great. Now we got guys playing more. Maybe the games are more intense and it's 40 minute games and it's great for TV, great for everybody. For another day. For another day. I have to Go.
Todd Fritz
Muriel's in Jackson Square in New Orleans.
Paul Pabst
Okay.
Todd Fritz
Muriel's. I'm not sure, in all due respect to your caller, I would go to. I'd go to New Orleans for sushi.
Paul Pabst
Can I drop your name at Muriel's?
Todd Fritz
I'm not sure it'll be helpful, but absolutely.
Paul Pabst
Do you have an open tab at that restaurant?
Todd Fritz
I will if you go.
Paul Pabst
Okay. Awesome. But I'm not going alone. I'm bringing my whole team here. Yes, the Danettes are going with me.
Todd Fritz
Long time list.
Paul Pabst
Hey, great to. Great to catch up with you again. Thank you, Commissioner.
Todd Fritz
Yep. Bye. Bye.
Paul Pabst
That's Commissioner Adam Silver.
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The Dan Patrick Show: "The Best of The Dan Patrick Show" – January 29, 2025
Hosted by iHeartPodcasts and the Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Duration: 00:00 – 06:36
Dan Patrick and Paul Pabst delve into the tumultuous landscape of NFL head coaching vacancies, focusing on the New Orleans Saints as the last team still seeking a head coach. The discussion centers around potential candidates like Kellen Moore, Aaron Glenn, Liam Cohen, and Brian Schottenheimer, analyzing their suitability and the implications of their potential hires.
Kellen Moore's Candidacy:
Press Conference Performances:
Impact of Owners on Coaching Success:
Duration: 06:36 – 16:29
The hosts continue their analysis by contemplating how coaching hires will be judged in three years. They consider factors such as playoff appearances, team performance, and the ability to lead teams to the Super Bowl.
Criteria for Success:
Poll Segment:
Duration: 23:04 – 25:44
A live segment features Martin Luther King III discussing the road trip to New Orleans, highlighting partnerships with Mako and interactions with locals. The conversation touches on the logistics of travel, the camaraderie among hosts, and the excitement leading up to the Super Bowl festivities.
Road Trip Highlights:
Upcoming Destinations:
Duration: 30:09 – 50:43
In an in-depth interview, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver discusses the league's strategic direction amidst evolving media landscapes, streaming advancements, and fan engagement strategies. The conversation explores the NBA's adaptability to modern consumption habits and the league's efforts to maintain its global appeal.
Media Transition and Streaming:
Fan Engagement and Social Media:
Potential Rule Changes:
Innovative Game Formats:
Global Consistency and Tradition:
Duration: 16:29 – 28:45
The show incorporates interactive segments where listeners are encouraged to participate in polls and rapid-fire questions. Topics include hypothetical coaching career moves, potential rule adjustments in the NBA, and personal preferences regarding team management.
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Notable Quotes:
Highlighted Timestamped Insights:
05:53: Dan Patrick expresses concern over Brian Schottenheimer's future with the Cowboys post his emotional press conference.
32:50: Adam Silver outlines the NBA's focus on transitioning to streaming platforms to enhance fan engagement.
44:57: Discussion on potential NBA rule changes aimed at modernizing the game and increasing its appeal.
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