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Lines via virtual prepaid card last 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 days device knowledgeable carrier and timely redemption required. Card is no cash access and expires in six months. Foreign what's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top.
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Marvin Prince
101, free agents will have it covered.
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Dominique Foxworth
For you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In Mississippi, Yazoo clay keeps secrets.
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Dan Patrick
7,000 bodies out there or more.
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Dominique Foxworth
A forgotten asylum cemetery. It was my family's mystery.
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Dan Patrick
Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not.
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm Larison Campbell and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Dan Patrick
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Dominique Foxworth
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All all topics are fair game, right?
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Marvin Prince
Exactly.
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Dominique Foxworth
And you'll never know who will drop by to join us. Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB.
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Dominique Foxworth
On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Mark Seal.
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Dominique Foxworth
And I'm Nathan King.
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Dan Patrick
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Dominique Foxworth
The five families did not want us to shoot that picture. This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seal's bestselling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun. Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
You are listening to the Dan Patrick.
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Marvin Prince
Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Dan Patrick
Not a free agent frenzy yesterday, but still some notable names. Joey Bosa going to Buffalo. That to me is spicy because I thought he might go to San Francisco to play with his brother, but he goes to Buffalo. That's a nice addition for them. DeAndre Hopkins going to the Ravens got a lot of coverage. Too much coverage because I think we're still living in 2015. Yo, Ravens got D hop, okay? They're going to get DeAndre Hopkins and hope that he has one or two games where you go. That's why they got him. Maybe he's going to have seven catches where you go, oh, look at those catches. And they might be big catches for them, but DeAndre Hopkins getting a hundred balls, not going to happen. But DeAndre Hopkins going to the Ravens. Joey Bosa goes to Buffalo. March Madness punching their tickets. Bob Morris, UNC Wilmington, St. Francis of Pa and Gonzaga. The Cleveland Cavaliers are getting too good for shows networks to avoid them. I mean, that's how good they've gotten because I can guarantee you Mothership and Fox and anybody else is going. They won again. They want again. They're 55 and 10. That's tied for the fifth best record through 65 games in NBA history. You have to cover them now. Not exciting. I watch them. They're a really good team. They're a balanced team. I mean, that's not the kind of thing where you go, hey, tonight, the Cavalier. All right. Hey, tune in for teamwork tonight. Watch the Cavaliers play both ends of the floor tonight on tnt. Yes, Seaton.
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Dominique Foxworth
Which is funny because it's kind of what critics of the NBA are always looking for. Where's the fundamentals?
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Dan Patrick
Where's the team? Teamwork, all this individual ISO play, that's.
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Marvin Prince
Not the game I grew up watching.
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Dan Patrick
So the Cavaliers 55 and 10. The warriors in 2015 went 59 and 6. The 1995 Bulls love them. Went 58 and 7. The Bulls in 96 went 56 and 9. The 76ers and 82 went 56 and 9. Those are the only teams who have had a better record through 65 games. And please don't do this. Please. If you're an analyst at a network on a radio show, don't say the following. Yeah, but what are they going to do in the postseason? This is about the regular season. If that's the case. Do we go, yeah, Shea Gilgis, mvp. But what's he going to do in the postseason? This is about the regular season. It's like the Seattle Mariners won 116 games. I didn't think they were built for the playoffs, but you still have to acknowledge that they won 116 games and they proved not to be have not to have a pitching staff that was built for the postseason. But Cleveland has done a wonderful thing here. They play really good basketball. It's not maybe your type of basketball, exciting basketball, you know, flinging threes all over the place. But Seaton makes a great point. This is about playing winning basketball. That's not exciting. That's not going to get you clicks. That's not going to get you the featured game on TNT or the Mothership. But the Cavaliers beat the nets. They've won 15 in a row. First NBA team to have multiple winning streaks of 15 or more games in a season since the 06 Phoenix Suns. They're. They're that good that you have to cover them, which is kind of interesting, but I enjoy watching them. If you're going to talk about Shay Gilgis, you got to give him the MVP because he's playing on the team of the best record in the west. Then you have to have consideration for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell is the best player on the team with the best record in the NBA. He's not going to win. He's probably going to get a ton of third place votes. It'll be sga, then it'll be Joker, and then it'll be Donovan Mitchell. Just be fair, cover the sports. Just be fair occasionally and acknowledge some of these sports that they're not going to, you know, make the headlines here. They're not a ratings draw, but our job is still to cover sports. We may go once again. I was there for a couple of the Spurs NBA championships and I can tell you there was an audible groan when, oh, got to go to San Antonio again. You still saw one of the greatest teams in NBA history. I mean, with David and Tim Manu, Tony, Sean Elliott, one of the greatest coaches in history. But it wasn't exciting. We'd rather see a team that is more exciting. Not as good and maybe they don't win a championship, but boy, they were fun to watch.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yes, Marvin, the crazy thing is the best offensive basketball I've ever seen played in my entire life. All 40 years of Marvin Prince's life. 2014 spurs, when they mollywop the Heat in five games. That is what basketball is supposed to be like, it's so boring.
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Dan Patrick
That's what you guys want. Just like seeing said earlier, you guys want all this teamwork.
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Dominique Foxworth
And when people have teamwork, they're not excited. They don't draw ratings.
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Dan Patrick
These guys don't shoot 60 threes. You know, that's. But, you know, we've kind of gotten accustomed to that's exciting basketball or that's basketball. And that's not necessarily the case. Cleveland is a really good team, really good team. And they'll have home court advantage. And let's see what they do when they, you know, collide with the Boston Celtics. I mean, that's probably what it's going to come down to. Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
Seaton, I'm on NBA.com right now looking at the MVP ladder.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And they.
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Dominique Foxworth
Donovan Mitchell right now. Do you want to guess where he is in the top 10?
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Dan Patrick
Oh, you extended it to top 10?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, well, I had to.
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Dan Patrick
I'm going to say. Well, I had to. I'm going to say he's eighth.
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Marvin Prince
You're close. He's seventh.
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Dan Patrick
Two weeks ago he was tenth. Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
Now he's moved up to seventh.
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Dan Patrick
He is behind.
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Marvin Prince
Let's see, starting at one, Shay Gil, Just Alexander, Nicola Jokic, Giannis, Jason Tatum.
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Dominique Foxworth
LeBron James is at five, Jalen Brunson and then Donovan Mitchell.
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Marvin Prince
Okay, is Steph just behind him?
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Dominique Foxworth
Cade Cunningham and Anthony Edwards.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, but Jalen Brunson's ahead of Donovan Mitchell.
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Dominique Foxworth
Correct.
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Dan Patrick
Like, I gotta give that. What is value is value. Being notable, getting clicks, being popular, highlights. Like what is. What is value? Now to where it used to be. Your team is winning at a historical pace. If, if he's. If Donovan Mitchell was averaging 29 instead of whatever, he's averaging 20, 24, then. Then all of a sudden he's the. He's third. Because it'd be easy to go. Well, yeah, he's averaging almost 30. When he's averaging 24 and it feels like there's a big difference between 24 and 29. That SGA and he's averaging 30. Well, if he's averaging 24, is SGA going to be the MVP? I don't think so. It's tricky. Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
Pulling and you could maybe, if you want to go deep cut on this with Mitchell, make the case by him shooting less. Three years ago he took 21 shots a game. He's down to 18. He's opening up for his teammates. He's not being selfish. He's not a stat hog. And I'm not calling anyone else that. But remember Steph Curry when Kevin Durant showed up and he went from 30 points a game to 24 and a half and they won? You didn't see Steph complaining about his stats that year.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, there's value in certain things that you do. D. Wade letting LeBron think the Heat was his team. There's value in that. LeBron is showing value with what he's doing with Luca right now. I mean, there's a lot of ways to equate value. And. And this isn't to diminish what SGA has done. He's going to be the mvp. He's been wonderfully consistent this year, but I. I think you got to acknowledge certain people on certain teams at certain times, and this is one of those moments. They're 55 and 10 and he's averaging 24. And I probably guarantee you that there's a lot of people haven't watched an entire Cleveland Cavalier game and they're going to be voting on these things. It's like the Heisman, but, you know, there's a lot of people vote on the Heisman. We tend to vote on highlights. If you're voting on highlights, Donovan. Donovan Mitchell's probably not going to get a lot of love there. SGA does, but he's just so good. He. He is unstoppable. He truly is. He can get to the hoop on anybody. Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
If this was Utah, Donovan Mitchell always got some highlights.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. But the Cavaliers are that good. 15 consecutive wins. Zion Williamson continues to play some pretty great basketball. 22, 10 and 12. I'm still not buying the stock because this is always a. If he stays healthy. He's the king of. If he stays healthy. Yes, but he won't like all. He's an ankle turn away from all of a sudden being out for a while and then coming back. And then we have to have a slow rebuild again. But he's playing well. He's a really good passer. He can't shoot, but that's what makes it even more amazing at his size, still going inside and dominating. And 22, 10 and 12 since January. So the last six weeks, seven weeks, he's been great. He's. He's back to all when he's healthy. He's been on two all star teams. It's just. He's usually not healthy. But 22, 10 and 12. Couple other notes there. The Dodgers extend Dave Roberts, and rightfully so. And let's see. We got a couple of bids that are on the Line last. Coming up tonight, the Southland, the Patriot League and the Big sky. So Lamar and McNeese, Navy and American University, Montana versus Northern Colorado. Also, the story that kind of slipped in, and all of a sudden it feels like, wait a minute, Tiger tears his Achilles and he's out, won't be able to play probably for a year. And it was weird because. And Seaton brought this up this morning. Are we holding on to Tiger, or is Tiger holding on for dear life to golf? Because I think it's us holding on to Tiger. I don't expect him to do anything. He can play in the video game league, the tgl. Okay, it's great to see him out there, but the days of 2000, long, long gone, but it is a sport that you can play and play well when you get older. It's just. He's going to be 50 years of age coming up, I believe, in December. And that's an old. That's an old 50. That body has been through an awful lot. But we'll talk about Tiger and the Achilles injury. And granted, the injury and the surgery is a whole lot different than it used to be with modern medicine, at least in the last couple of years here. And maybe there's a chance that we see Tiger and people will say the following. Well, you only have to be healthy for the four majors. It's not like you just show up at the majors and that's all the golf you play. It is weeks of preparation to get to that. And then after that, it'll be weeks of recovery for him with that body, it's not just four weeks out of the year. It's probably 20 weeks out of the year to get ready. And then all of a sudden, you have to get ready again. You got to ramp it up. You can't do it. And that's always been my concern when we talk about Tiger going into a tournament, can you be healthy? Can you play great golf for four days and he can't, you know, it's just too much to ask. He'll show those glimpses. The networks fall in love with him. They'll show every shot of every round. But I don't think he's threatening. And this was before he had the injury. But never rule out Tiger. There's certain athletes where you go, nope, I will not bet against him. But I don't know how much he wants to play. I mean, he's got a brand. He's got, you know, a new business. You got merchandise to move. I mean, there's a lot attached to this, but the. The days of what we saw before. And that's where we're holding on to. All I asked for years ago was, give me one more. That's it. And he gave it to me, Gave it to me, to Augusta. I'm fine. I think he's the greatest goal forever. I think the year 2000, you can put that up with any other athlete in any other sport. What he did, he changed golf right before our very eyes. Maybe this is all. This is the way it ends. I'm full. This is Thanksgiving meal. I'm very lucky. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino.
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Dominique Foxworth
And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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Dan Patrick
You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio.
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Dominique Foxworth
And, of course, the iHeartRadio app.
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Dan Patrick
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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Dominique Foxworth
We talk about everything.
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Dan Patrick
Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in.
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Dominique Foxworth
The world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss.
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Dan Patrick
And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search KO Vino and.
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Marvin Prince
Rich wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay.
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Dominique Foxworth
It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.
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Dan Patrick
It's terrible, terrible dirt.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that.
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Dan Patrick
Get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not.
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Dominique Foxworth
In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest.
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Dan Patrick
Hospital made a shocking discovery. 7,000 bodies out there or more, all former patients of the old state asylum.
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Dominique Foxworth
And nobody knew they were there. It was my family's mystery. But in this corner of the south.
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Dan Patrick
It'S not just the soil that keeps secrets. Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.
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Dominique Foxworth
When you peel back the layers of.
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Dan Patrick
Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.
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Marvin Prince
The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to under yazukle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. It's Julie Stewart Banks.
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson. I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey. Believe me, he does.
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Dan Patrick
Energy Line with Nate and JSB is.
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Dominique Foxworth
The name of the podcast and it's.
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Dan Patrick
Going to be, well, it's going to.
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Dominique Foxworth
Be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex. Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey.
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Dan Patrick
And try to do what energy lines.
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Dominique Foxworth
Are supposed to do.
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Dan Patrick
Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mark Seal. And I'm Nathan King.
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Dan Patrick
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Marvin Prince
The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.
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Dominique Foxworth
Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth.
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Dan Patrick
From start to finish, this is really the first interview I've done in bed.
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Dominique Foxworth
We sift through innumerable accounts.
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Dan Patrick
35 pages isn't very much.
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Dominique Foxworth
Many of them conflicting. That's nonsense.
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Dan Patrick
There were 60 pages.
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Dominique Foxworth
And try to get to the truth of what really happened. And they said, we're finished. This is over.
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Marvin Prince
It only stopped going to work.
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Dominique Foxworth
You gotta get rid of those guys. It's just that Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to leave the gun. Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild ha priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in.
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Marvin Prince
A hell bent effort to sabotage a war.
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Dominique Foxworth
J. Edgar Hoover was furious somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their.
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Marvin Prince
Neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans?
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Dominique Foxworth
It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the God damnedest love story you've ever heard.
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Dan Patrick
I picked up the phone and my.
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Dominique Foxworth
Thought was, this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life.
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Dan Patrick
I couldn't believe it.
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Marvin Prince
I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention.
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Dominique Foxworth
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stefan Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine.
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Dominique Foxworth
All in less than a year.
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Dan Patrick
It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in.
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Dominique Foxworth
Data and analytics, the math and the.
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Dan Patrick
Ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. He's Dominique Foxworthy, ESPN writer, commentator for andscape and former NFL cornerback. You can see him the Dominique Foxworth show in season football podcast three times a week and also regular with get up with who is that on? Mike Greenberg, I think is the host of that program. Right? Is that right? Yeah, Mike. Mike Greenberg. Mike Greenberg, Yeah. How you doing?
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Dominique Foxworth
I feel like there's a lot of subtext there that I'm not going to ask any questions about. I'm doing great.
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Dan Patrick
No, I like greeny. I like.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, Greedy school.
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Dan Patrick
Absolutely. I like green.
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm doing. I'm doing really well. I do think that I heard a little bit of the last segment and I feel like you guys are giving Bobby Hurley a little short shrift. I don't know, like it's. I feel like what you're deciding between is a longer run or a higher peak. Because to be Honest with you, I was a pretty good college football player. Can you imagine how awesome it was to be a two time national champ white basketball player in the 90s? I, I, I think that Bobby Hurley probably, I think he probably had a good, good time at Duke. Had a pretty good time.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. You would rather have Bobby Hurley's career than Danny Hurley's?
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Dominique Foxworth
No, I'm just saying. Well, wait a minute.
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Dan Patrick
No, we're not. I know what Bobby did. I'm talking about you got to make a decision. Are you going to be Danny Hurley? Are you going to be Bobby Hurley?
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Dominique Foxworth
So is, do I want to have a higher peak or a longer run? Because I think they both probably have enough money to be comfortable. Obviously Danny's made more money, is revered, I guess, is what benefits do you prefer more? The short run benefits?
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Dan Patrick
I'm just asking you a question. The question.
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Dominique Foxworth
You, you advertise me as a smart guy, so I think the answer, I think the answer is probably, yeah, as, as a 40, 41 year old married man, the answer is Danny. I want to be Danny. Danny seems like a responsible choice.
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Dan Patrick
All right. Would you rather be Kieran Culkin or Macaulay Culkin?
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Dominique Foxworth
Oh, it's easy. It's Karen Culkin. Because being a star when you're eight, like that stinks. Whatever. You get extra candy. That's not fun. And then, I mean, you inevitably have all these other difficulties that child stars have. Yeah, I much rather be an adult, successful, Oscar winning actor than the dude from Home Alone.
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Dan Patrick
All right, what are the Niners doing and is it time to panic if you're a Niner fan?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, we've been thinking about this a lot because I think part of this is I don't think it's time to panic because you have Kyle Shanahan and John lynch, two people that are obviously very good at their jobs, and Kyle Shanahan is going to manufacture some level of offense out of whatever he has. The real question is, are they going to be able to rebuild that defense? The defense has always been kind of the quiet key to the success that they've had there. And it's fallen off recently and they lost more players. But I think the question came up, should they completely, should they trade Christian McCaffrey and try to accrue draft picks? That's a thing that we discussed on, on my show, honestly, and then also on Get Up Today. And I've been fighting against the tankification of everyone in media where it's like either you win a championship or you trade Everything and blow everything up. I think that might work as a strategy in basketball. In football, it just hasn't proven to be successful. If you look around at all the good competitive teams, none of them completely bottomed out their roster. Well, not intentionally, at least. I guess the Bengals might have bottomed out their roster because the Bengals just were poorly run. But all of the good, successful teams, like, maintained some level of competence and built from that. So the idea that the. That the 49ers or anybody, frankly, like I even would defend keeping Miles Garrett, that anybody should, as a strategy, just completely get rid of any semblance of competence in hopes that you'll get enough draft picks and you'll build something up. It just doesn't work in football.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, you mentioned the Browns, but. But it feel they weren't even taking offers. Dominic.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right. Yeah, I mean, I. I get it. I think that there's a reasonable way to go about a rebuild. I think the thing that I've come to. And people talk about culture a lot, but culture is really important to big organizations in football. And to be clear, culture to me is like the accepted behaviors and activities processes in an organization. And it is impossible to maintain a culture in a locker room of 60 players, 25 coaches in front offices if you are constantly throwing people out. A basketball team is slightly different. You bring in one really good player who has the proper mindset, and the culture around the 15 guys changes immediately. I do think there's something to be said for understanding that when you land in an organization, this is how we do things. And like, I played for the Ravens, I played for the Broncos under Mike Shanahan. These were places where when I showed up, I knew how things were done. And even though we weren't always great, like, I understood. And you see, the Ravens are a team that has had a pretty consistent leadership, and they've managed to transition from era to era and still have that culture. I think that's really important. And the Steelers, you point to them, and there's a lot of teams that I think can fall into this category, and they happen to also be the teams that are consistently competitive.
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Dan Patrick
But do you think we've gotten to a point, though, Dominique, with the Steelers, that they have to do things that are not traditional? Like, you brought in. You spent a lot of money and you bring in DK Metcalf, you might bring in Aaron Rodgers. I don't know. It just feels like, hey, we can go 9 and 8 and we can go 9 and 8 again. How about we try to go 10 and 7, 11 and 6. How about we win a playoff game? How do we do that? I don't know. How about we do something different this year?
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Dominique Foxworth
I agree with you and I think a lot of the like analytics in football has pushed everyone to try to make these risk optimizing decisions, which I think are great generally. But to your point, like leadership is sometimes making a decision with your plums. Like make a decision like an aggressive decision that flies in the face sometimes. It's going to sign a running back for more than what running backs go. Because in trading for Christian McCaffrey, we talk about the 49ers that accelerated that team. But everyone at the time was like, why would you trade for running back? And then you point to the same situation with the, the Falcons. Why would you draft a quarterback when you already have one that you paid a bunch of money? It seems like they're in a better position now had they just stuck with Kirk Cousins. You can go through the list of times when people have made these kind of irrational seeming decisions, but I do think that it's about making calculated gambles and that would be in Pittsburgh. Think you're alluding to Aaron Rodgers as a selection like that. To me, as long as they are not convinced that it 100% works, as long as they are aware that this is a calculated gamble that they think is worth making, I think it's fine. It's one and only organizations that I, I think is stable enough that can, that can bring in some unique personalities like Aaron Rodgers.
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Dan Patrick
Dominic Foxworth from ESPN the Dominique Foxworth Show. You can see him on Get Up With Mike Greenberg as the host of Get Up There. But if I'm Aaron Rodgers or I'm trying to figure this out, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, how do I convince the Vikings I can make this work? And if I'm the Vikings, do I need to be convinced that this is, this is a chance? If I'm Aaron Rodgers, that's where I want to go. If I, if I can get Minnesota to go, hey, you know what, we can have a Jordan Love transition here and you come in. As long as you're willing to help him get better, that makes you a whole lot more of a playoff super bowl contender than JJ does, I think to start out, can this work in Minnesota? Would you take that chance?
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Dominique Foxworth
I wouldn't take that chance, but I think when I am, I'm not sure that it's the wrong, it's not the wrong chance to take. To get back to the idea of sometimes you just got to make these kind of riskier decisions. I think when I make decisions in my life and when I'm evaluating decisions that other people have made, often think about like, what is the worst possible outcome of either of these forks in the road that I go down and which of these worst possible outcomes am I more comfortable living with? And I think that's how you can look at it because you can realize like this, this could turn out really bad. And that's why if I were the Vikings, I wouldn't choose Aaron Rodgers as my bridge quarterback. Because I think the worst possible outcome is one that I'm not comfortable living with. If I don't go Aaron Rodgers, the worst possible outcome is we were wrong on JJ McCarthy and we don't make a championship run and we're back looking for a quarterback next year. I like that a little more than what happened to the last organization that.
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Dan Patrick
Aaron Rodgers joined as a former defensive back. Tell me, and I don't know if you've broken this down, to be fair to you, but tell me what you see with Cam Ward and tell me what you see with Shador Sanders.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
And the separation between those two. The biggest, biggest differences are what?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, there, there are trends that happen in the league and at one point Shador Standards would have been a much more attractive option, I think in this league because of how he feels like a more trustworthy, conventional, consistent type of player. But what we've seen recently in the league is the high end athleticism and explosiveness and the big playability, the creativity is what's going to drive you to the top of the draft. And that's what it is with Cam Ward. You're going to get the high end and the low end. And as much as I think turnovers are an incredible predictor of who's going to succeed in the game, which more, what is more important than that is big plays. So like I will take the turnovers occasionally, the inconsistent play and hope that we can coach it out of them and be really happy to have the high end explosiveness with his legs and with his arms, like the throws that, that Cam Ward is making and the plays that he makes, his highlight tape, it's as good as anybody. You see. If you pick out his 10 best plays, you would assume that he is being revered like Caleb Williams was last year. He has that type of ability. And I think that's the difference is teams are willing to take the risk of the downside because the upside risk or the upside potential is so great.
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Dan Patrick
But I don't understand where a team goes. We got to get a quarterback. And you will spend a top 10 draft pick on maybe Shador Sanders, but you're not sure, whereas I could. There are guys that I know are going to play in the league probably for seven to 10 years and probably be all Pro.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right.
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Dan Patrick
But I think, why do teams continue to do this, that you, you don't have to get your quarterback this year. Why not get a player that, like, if you say, I have Abdul Carter, I feel pretty good. Yeah. Travis Hunter, I feel pretty good. I like, there's probably seven to 10 of those guys that you can name right away and you go like, I, I'm, I'm good here.
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Dominique Foxworth
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is the other strategy, essentially the lottery ticket strategy, like Jaden Daniels. You just have to see it once every 10 years for a coach or an organization to fall. Like Washington. I Live in Washington, D.C. washington was very far away from being competitive. Jaden Daniel shows up there in the NFC championship game. And I think that coaches and general managers see that. And then we look at Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett could be considered one of the best defensive players ever. And you would have traded him honestly for a consistent starter at quarterback. The impact on your team would have been greater if you had like a legitimate consistent starter at quarterback then having an all time great defensive end. It's as outrageous as it is. Like that, I think explains. I don't know that it is. I don't know if it's the right decision, but I think that explains why teams are so willing to roll the dice.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but Shador is not Jaden Daniels.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right?
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Dan Patrick
Jaden Daniels is Jaden Daniels. Everybody talked about his talent. That's why when people are like, Washington's fine, they're going to sit at number two because they knew what they had at number two. And Caleb Williams can turn out to be a great quarterback. That, that draft was different.
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean, I think. Right. I would push back on you because, like, who's a. Let's say Geno Smith is like a mediocre quarterback, as stupid as it may sound to you, and it does sound to me, as I fix my lips to say it, Geno Smith playing mediocre quarterback play will improve your team's success more than someone like Miles Garrett. So like, I understand that if they get a quarterback that is a legitimate starter, someone that for whom you don't have to shop every year, like you feel like your team, you've added a win And a half, maybe to your team. You don't really change the trajectory of your team with certain players. Like, it's. Obviously, there's a whole.
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Dan Patrick
I wouldn't have kept Miles Garrett. I. I mean, I got to be honest with my fans. I got to be honest with my team. You know, if you said I got Geno Smith as my quarterback and I get, you know, four first round picks or something in the future. As long as you trust management to make good draft picks, that makes. That makes better sense for me. Miles Garrett may gave you 15 sacks. Great. He gave you 15 sacks last year, and you guys were terrible. Like, nothing is going to change with that. You need a quarterback. I'd bring in Kirk Cousins, I bring in Kurt Cousins and say, all right, here you go. Give me. Give me one or two years here. Let's see what we can do elsewhere. But miles Garrett at $40 million.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right. So you're. We started this as a draft conversation, but now you're arguing that you should take Abdul Carter, I guess, or take a more sure player at a different position and then go sign a veteran quarterback.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
The challenge with that is that because quarterbacks are so rare. Veteran quarterbacks, but I don't want to cost so much money.
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Dan Patrick
But I'm reaching, it feels like, with Shador Sanders and maybe Cam Ward. Like I. Yeah. Just because you're the best quarterback in the draft doesn't mean you're going to be one of the best quarterbacks. And. And look, the draft is littered every single year with this philosophy. And I get it, you want the lottery ticket. Only one person wins the lottery, though, normally. And you're going to. You're going to try to win the lottery with Cam Ward going to Tennessee. Well, good luck with that. You're not winning anything anytime soon.
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Dominique Foxworth
I think it's like moral hazard is what it is, essentially. It's like, I think that you are making these decisions that I think optimize for success over the long run. Nobody has a long run like the guys who are making the decisions. They got three years. Got three years to show some promise. And drafting an all Pro D lineman is not going to show nearly as much promise as finding a quarterback that's serviceable and that's how the game has been designed, that nothing's more valuable than a serviceable start.
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Dan Patrick
Jones is serviceable, right?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I guess.
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Dan Patrick
Okay, so I could have. I could have had Daniel Jones. I could have brought in Sam Darnold at a reasonable price. Then I could have traded Miles Garrett.
- [37:33]
Dominique Foxworth
See, Whoa. You Said at a reasonable price. That's where you're wrong.
- [37:37]
Dan Patrick
No, Sam Darnold is a reasonable price. He's getting 27 and a half million dollars for the next two years. You wouldn't take Sam Darnold at 27 million next year.
- [37:50]
Dominique Foxworth
I take Sam Darnold at 27,000,000 next year and that's again Sam Darnold has his choice of places to go. Sam Darnold is not going to choose to come to your franchise where you.
- [38:02]
Dan Patrick
Had so like the sits Cousins doesn't cost you anything. If they release him you can sign him for the minimum. Would you take Kirk Cousins as your quarter? Okay, that's what I'm saying.
- [38:12]
Dominique Foxworth
I'd absolutely take Kirk Cousins as my quarterback. I don't want to read the Russell Wilson situation.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. Would you take Russell Wilson as your starting quarterback in Cleveland?
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Dominique Foxworth
I would take Russell Wilson as a starting quarterback in Cleveland. The Cleveland situation is different though because they do they already have the cap space tied up in a quarterback. I know that that situation is uniquely bad but I generally agree with you from building a franchises. No again the best quarterbacks in football you can't think of any except for Joe Burrow who started out in bad situations. They all started out in good situations. I think it's foolish for all these bad teams to think that they're they can draft LeBron James. Most of these quarterbacks developed in situations that were already good. Patrick Mahomes, best in the league. He came into a team that won the division. Like the Bills went to the playoffs the year before the Ravens got Lamar at the end of the draft. Dak Prescott came into a ready loaded team. Like all these really good teams or good quarterbacks came in a good situation. So I agree that you're right. I'm just trying to explain why they make these decisions that appear irrational. It's like they're rolling the dice and hoping that they hit.
- [39:13]
Dan Patrick
Was that kind of like a get up segment there that we were like fake yelling at each other?
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Dominique Foxworth
I don't know. Did you if you liked it.
- [39:21]
Dan Patrick
But we didn't. But you know what we didn't do? We didn't mention the Cowboys. So it's not a get up segment there.
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Dominique Foxworth
I said Dak, I squid I squeezed that. Don't, don't try to get me fired from the worldwide leader. I know my responsibility. I even said they're looking for LeBron James in the draft and it's not even a football topic. I know what I'm doing baby.
- [39:39]
Dan Patrick
I know what I'M doing.
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Marvin Prince
I love it.
- [39:40]
Dan Patrick
I love it. Thank you, Dominic.
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Dominique Foxworth
No problem, man. Thanks a lot, Dan.
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Dan Patrick
Dominique Foxworth. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo Clay. It's thick, burnt orange and it's got a reputation is terrible, terrible dirt.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yazoo clay eats everything, so things that.
- [40:08]
Dan Patrick
Get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not.
- [40:12]
Dominique Foxworth
In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest.
- [40:16]
Dan Patrick
Hospital made a shocking discovery. 7,000 bodies out there or more, all former patients of the old state asylum.
- [40:25]
Dominique Foxworth
And nobody knew they were there. It was my family's missing. But in this corner of the south.
- [40:31]
Dan Patrick
It'S not just the soil that keeps secrets. Nobody talks about it, nobody has any information.
- [40:37]
Dominique Foxworth
When you peel back the layers of.
- [40:39]
Dan Patrick
Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.
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Marvin Prince
The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.
- [40:48]
Dan Patrick
I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Under Yazu Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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Marvin Prince
I'm Mark Seal.
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Dominique Foxworth
And I'm Nathan King.
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Dan Patrick
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Dominique Foxworth
The five families did not want us.
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Marvin Prince
To shoot that picture.
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Dominique Foxworth
Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth.
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Dan Patrick
From start to finish.
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Marvin Prince
This is really the first interview I've done in bed.
- [41:22]
Dominique Foxworth
We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting. That's nonsense.
- [41:28]
Dan Patrick
There were 60 pages.
- [41:30]
Dominique Foxworth
And try to get to the truth of what really happened. And they said we're finished. This is over.
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Marvin Prince
It's not going to work.
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Dominique Foxworth
You gotta get rid of those guys. It's just that Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Patrick
It's Julie Stewart Banks.
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my.
- [42:05]
Dan Patrick
Favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Dominique Foxworth
I wore nine NHL sweaters. And I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey. Believe me, he does.
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Dan Patrick
Energy Line with Nate and JSB is.
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Dominique Foxworth
The name of the podcast and it's.
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Dan Patrick
Going to be, well, it's going to.
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Dominique Foxworth
Be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the energy line. We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait to see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex. Okay, well, lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from.
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Dan Patrick
Hockey and try to do what energy.
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Dominique Foxworth
Lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost.
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Dan Patrick
How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in.
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Marvin Prince
A hell bent effort to sabotage a war.
- [43:13]
Dominique Foxworth
J. Edgar Hoover was furious. Somebody violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees. The FBI went around to all their.
- [43:24]
Marvin Prince
Neighbors and said to them, do you think these people are good Americans?
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Dominique Foxworth
It's got heists, tragedy, a trial of the century, and the God damnedest love story you've ever heard.
- [43:35]
Dan Patrick
I picked up the phone and my.
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Dominique Foxworth
Thought was this is the most important phone call I'll ever make in my life.
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Dan Patrick
I couldn't believe it.
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Marvin Prince
I mean, Brendan, it was Divine Intervention.
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Dominique Foxworth
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan Patrick
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO of Moderna, Stephane Bonsell, about how he led his team through unprecedented times to create, test and distribute a COVID vaccine.
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Dominique Foxworth
All in less than a year.
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Dan Patrick
It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in.
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Dominique Foxworth
Data and analytics, the math and the.
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Dan Patrick
Ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Former head coach of the Cowboys, NBC Football Night in America, analyst Notre Dame Football Analyst, always great to see Jason Garrett back on the program. Coach, good to talk to you again. Let me put you in the Minnesota Vikings situation. J.J. mcCarthy, coming off an injury, would you entertain the idea of bringing in Aaron Rodgers?
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Marvin Prince
I don't like that decision for them right now. I think you want to create a, an atmosphere and environment for JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback of your team. And I don't think you want to have a guy who's as accomplished as Aaron has been throughout his career. I think you probably want to have a more traditional veteran backup who can go in and play for short periods of time. I think Aaron Rodgers wants to be a quarterback of one of the 32 teams. I don't think he wants to be a backup. And I think you made that decision with pick 10 last year, that JJ McCarthy is going to be your guy, and I think you stick with it and create a great environment for him.
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Dan Patrick
What are the Steelers doing or what should they do?
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Marvin Prince
I think they should really entertain going to get Aaron Rodgers. I really do. He played better when he was healthier at the end of last year. For me, when you analyze his career, a really interesting crossroads came when Matt LaFleur was hired as the head coach of the Packers. And Aaron had done things a certain way in the system for a long time, and Matt LaFleur had come from an offense where they were under center more with the quarterback. They ran the ball play action maybe a little different than Aaron wanted to play. And I think there was probably some tension between those two guys early on, but eventually they kind of settled that, hey, we're going to do some things that Aaron does well. We're also going to do some things that I want to do as the head coach. I want to run the ball, I want to run play action stuff from under center. And they got to that marriage and I think that worked out well for them. And so in Pittsburgh, I would try to do the same thing. I would not do what the jets did and say, Aaron, you're the quarterback, but you're also the offensive coordinator and let's play GM2 and you bring your guys in. I would fit them in and say, hey, this is the way we want to play in Pittsburgh. We want to play great defense, we want to run the ball, play action, pass. And oh, by the way, we're going to create an environment for you, Aaron Rodgers, to do what you do best. And I would blend it that way. And I think at 41 years old, Aaron Rodgers would embrace that. I think he'd Embrace maybe taking some of the burden off of him to do everything every snap like he did for a long time. I think he. He would understand playing for one of these incredible foundational teams in the Pittsburgh Steelers like he did with the Packers. I think he'd embrace that. And I think if he could fit into how they want to play, I think it could be a good marriage.
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Dan Patrick
I'm wondering if you had contact with somebody before you signed them in free agency legally, but like Mike Tomlin. If you're Mike Tomlin, would you reach out to Aaron Rodgers and say, let's not waste time here. If we can help each other, great. Did you ever do that as the head coach of the Cowboys, to reach out to say, I need to get an idea where you are right now?
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Marvin Prince
Well, I think you have to be really careful with tampering rules and all of that. I think everybody knows with how these free agency rules and logistics have changed in recent years that they have this dead period. There's a lot of people talking in the dead period, but I think you got to be careful about being direct. But I do think there are representatives that can talk to representatives, can talk to representatives to get the idea out that, hey, we want you in Pittsburgh. What's your interest?
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Dan Patrick
Is it a resurgence of the running back position?
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Marvin Prince
Well, not in my mind. The running back position never left in my mind, and I don't want to be one of those guys, but I've been banging this drum forever. You know, I played for the Cowboys for eight years, and we won three Super Bowls, and our running back was Emmett Smith, the leading rusher in NFL history. And I just saw the impact that he made on the entire team. The ability to run the football with a guy like that. We handed the ball to him 25 times a game. He made the offensive line better, and the offensive line was really good. He made the quarterback better, and the quarterback was really good. He made the receivers better, the tight ends better. He made the defense better, and all of those guys made him better. And it was just the way to play football. And we won three Super Bowls in four years, and I haven't changed from that. You know, when I became the head coach of the Cowboys, that's the kind of team we wanted to build. We drafted linemen, we drafted running backs. You know, DeMarco Murray in 2014 led the league in rushing. Oh, by the way, it happened to be Tony Romo's best year as a pro. Dak Prescott in 2016 won 13 games as a rookie. Oh, by the way Zeke Elliott led the league in rushing, you know, so the value of the running back to me has not changed. They're so impactful. And I've said this before and Devin McCourty and I talk about this a lot. I think the New England Patriots and Tom Brady distorted the value of the running back. When Tom Brady's your quarterback, you can load up on defense and you can only, you know, you don't have to draft linemen real high and you don't really need an every down running back, you know, because he was so amazing at making the whole situation work. And then people said, hey, you know, you don't need running backs, you know, and not that they didn't have good running backs in New England. They had role player running backs. They didn't have the marquee guy that were there to hand the ball to 20, 25 times a game. And for me, that changed everybody's perception of running backs, that, hey, you don't need this guy. Well, maybe you don't if you have the best. If we're going to make Mount Rushmore of players, the first face you're chiseling is Tom Brady. Well, if you have that guy as your quarterback, maybe you don't need a running back. But short of that, the running back helps everybody else. And I do think it's fun for me to see the resurgence because I think it's just a reaffirmation of those values.
- [51:02]
Dan Patrick
We're talking to Jason Garrett, Football Night in America analyst, but that brings me to Ashton Genty. We had an analyst who said, reminds me of Emmett Smith, but faster.
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Marvin Prince
Did you tell that analyst that Emmett Smith rushed for over 18,000 yards in the NFL? Yeah, and he was kind of good. If he reminds you of Emmett Smith, but he's faster, you probably should draft him. I just think you got to be careful of talking about reminds me of the, you know, one of the greatest players ever to play in the NFL. But, but you know, I can see what they're saying. He seems to be a guy that is not overly flashy but is hard to tackle. He's got excellent contact balance, always finishing forward. You know, those guys make a difference on your team. And you know, we were talking on Football Night in America all year long, maybe the last half of the year, who's going to be the MVP. And about week 17, I blurted out, how about Saquon Barkley, right? I mean, do you think he had an impact on that team? The offensive line was great, I get all that. But when you have a runner who rushes for 2100 yards in 16 games, and you don't think that's going to positively impact your quarterback. One of the best things that Kellen Moore did in the Super Bowl, Dan, is he kept running the football. Saquon, I think, was 24 carries for 57 yards. There were 47 Kansas City Chiefs on the line of scrimmage trying to stop Saquon Barkley. Right. And all of a sudden, AJ Brown is a big game. And. And these receivers, well, it's because of the. It's because of the runner and the threat of the running game that you have to load people up and you create favorable looks outside, and it certainly helps your quarterback, too. So if. If Genty is like Emmett Smith, but only faster, you should be the first pick of the draft.
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Dan Patrick
The commanders were a great surprise last year, but as I've cautioned people, they did win a lot of games on the last drive, last possession, last seconds, and it's hard to sustain something like that. Yeah, Jane Daniels was wonderful, and they have gone out and gotten some other pieces here, and I do like that. But if you're going to handicap commanders in the Eagles, what's the. What's the separation between those two, at least right now, going into next season?
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Marvin Prince
Yeah, I think Philadelphia is still a cut above, and Philadelphia is losing players. And that's what happens when you have a championship team like they do, and they're so talented.
- [53:43]
Dan Patrick
But.
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Marvin Prince
But Howie Roseman's done an amazing job building the team. And, you know, we were talking about it earlier, you know, one at one of Jeff Bezos is 14 leadership principles is. Is great. Leaders are right a lot. And, and you know, when you talk.
- [54:01]
Dan Patrick
Can I become a billionaire if I come up with silly things like that?
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Marvin Prince
Yeah, but. But it's true. You know, if you simplify it, you got to be right a lot. And, and you have to be right in personnel because ultimately that's what separates teams. You can have the greatest personnel process there is. How we, how we talk about it, how we go out on the road, our reports, all that kind of stuff. When it comes to nut. Cutting time and you got to pick a player, you got to pick the right one. And Devin and I were laughing about it. With pick 199, the New England Patriots took Tom Brady in the year 2000, middle of the fourth round in 2016, we drafted Dak Prescott. You know, there's a lot of other guys that you're talking about, you're thinking about, but you got to Pick the right guys and, and how. He's done an amazing job both in free agency and in the draft, picking the right guys for Philadelphia. So even though they're losing guys, I have confidence in him to keep that thing going.
- [55:00]
Dan Patrick
Can you be honest with me? Would the Cowboys have taken Connor Cook out of Michigan State if he was available? The pick before you guys took Dak. Connor Cook, when I think to the Raiders, were you. From what I was told, you guys were higher on Connor Cook than Dak Prescott.
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Marvin Prince
Well, I'll take you through that whole draft, you know. You know, right at the top of the draft, we had the fourth pick and we drafted Zeke Elliott, which to me it was a fantastic pick. He, you know, really changed our team in so many ways. But the quarterbacks went first, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, and then, you know, the next guy up was Paxton Lynch. So there's conversation at the bottom of the first round about Paxton Lynch. Should we trade up? Should we. We do this, should we do that? I mean, a lot of conversations about that. And then, you know, there were other guys. I'm trying to think who was in the. Maybe in the third round, somebody went. And then, and then it got to Connor Cook. And the, the Connor Cook discussion was more about he played in a drop back system at Michigan State. He was under center. You know, we felt like Dak Prescott was one of the five guys in the draft that could be a starting quarterback for us in the league. But he was a guy and I'll be honest with you, I thought it was going to take him time because he played in the gun. Yeah, there was a lot of quarterback run and at the time, that's not what we were doing. And so he had all this stuff, but it was like, huh, you know, he's probably two or three years away. Well, sure enough, he wins 13 games as a rookie, so there goes that part of the evaluation. But we had no doubt about Dak in terms of we were all in on this guy can be our quarterback in the future. It just seemed like Connor Cook was more ready to be our backup right now and then possibly the quarterback in the future. And, and Oakland traded up to get him. We fell back. We took a defensive lineman from Oklahoma in the fourth before we took Dak in the fourth. So, you know, all those different things when you reflect back on them certainly fell favorably for us. But. But he ended up being an amazing pick and a great player for us.
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Dan Patrick
So I was correct that you guys liked Connor Cook more than you did Dan Prescott.
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Marvin Prince
We did, and we had healthy discussions about.
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Dan Patrick
But you guys like Paxton Lynch. Didn't Jerry love Paxton Lynch?
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Marvin Prince
Yeah. And, you know, one thing that. That I always laugh about is that, you know, people go back afterwards in the draft and say, you know, there's like, revisionist history. You guys would have taken him. You guys would have taken you literally. Talk about 300 players all day long. Hey, what would happen if this guy fell back? Would you trade up for him? So if you went back and transcribed those conversations, you know, history would be different. Right. You know, there was always the story that Bill Walsh likes Steve Dill is better than Joe Montana. Well, he ended up drafting Joe Montana.
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Dan Patrick
So I got Cody Kessler. Cody Kessler, Christian Hackenberg, Jacoby Brissette. Those are the other quarterbacks that were taken before Dak Prescott.
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Marvin Prince
Yeah. And we felt. We felt great about Dak. I'll give you a good story about that. You know, Wade Wilson was our quarterback coach for years. I don't remember Wade, but he passed away a few years ago. But he was one of my teammates. He played 19 years in the NFL, and it was our quarterback forever. And Wade never liked quarterbacks. Like, he would go work guys out and, you know, in for the draft, I mean. And I would say, wade, what'd you think of that guy? He can't play. He can't play. He can't play. I mean, this went on for years, Dan. It went on for a year. And I'm like, he can't play. Can't play. I'm like, at some point, we gotta, like one of these guys. We'll never draft anybody. And I'll never forget it. I think it was a Friday night. He called me early March, leading up to that 2016 draft, and he said, I think we got one.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, wow.
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Marvin Prince
I said, what? He's like, yeah, I'm down here in Starkville, Mississippi. I think we got our quarterback. And he just raved about that he loved him.
- [59:13]
Dan Patrick
And then.
- [59:13]
Marvin Prince
And then, I don't know if you remember this, like, two weeks later, Dak gets a dui.
- [59:18]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah.
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Marvin Prince
And so I'm like, you know, he was the face of the program. Everybody loved him, the whole deal. He had all the stuff you wanted, and he gets a dui. And I'm like, hey, here's our guy. What the heck? You know? And over the next month or so, we had some real aggressive conversations with Dak about the whole process. And I'll tell you the quick story. We used to do this thing for about three hours with Quarterbacks we're thinking about drafting, we get them in a room, a quarterback room, and it would be me. And the time was Scott Linehan, who was our coordinator, and Wade and some other people. And. And I would stand up there, and I would put three plays in from our offense, Three pass plays, five man protection, a six man protection, a seven man protection. I would talk really fast, use all our jargon, give him every rule that we had, talk about defense. This would have that. And then I would erase it and say, okay, you're up, and now you got to give it back to me.
- [60:16]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
- [60:17]
Marvin Prince
And I would interrupt them on purpose and talk really fast and see if they could retain information, see if they could spit it back, see how much football they knew, all that. But we had a real question about. About this thing with Dak Prescott, about this dui, because it just seems so out of character for him. So we get him up on the board, and I'm talking really fast and put it all in, and I'm like, all right, you're up. It's an empty whiteboard. Give me the first play. And he starts talking and starts going through it, and about 10 seconds into him, like, hey, stop, stop, stop. Hey, hey, hey. Give me the story about this dui.
- [60:54]
Dan Patrick
Oh.
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Marvin Prince
Okay. And so I'm like, hey, get me to the bottom of this. And so he tells me the story. It was fantastic. It was so accountable and specific detail. I had a couple margaritas after the workout. I was going 38 and the 30. I got pulled over. Whatever. I mean, it was like. And it was clean, and it was direct, and it was accountable, and I'm sorry for it, and whatever, whatever, whatever. All right, I'm gonna keep going. And so he draws up the rest of the play, and we're asking him questions. Stop. Hey, go back again. You know, you're the face of the program at Mississippi State. You know, this whole thing, I'm peppering him, and. And he kind of stops and gives me another explanation. Okay. Third time, he's drawn up another play. I stopped one more time, and he turns, and it was a great answer. He said. I said, tell me what happened again on this deal. And he said, coach, I don't know what you want me to tell you. I told you exactly what happened. I took accountability for it, whatever. And it was just a Dak Prescott answer. And I said to myself, I need to be quiet. So he finishes up the. The. The. The interview, and he's phenomenal. I can't tell you how good he is mentally he's just off the charts. So sure enough, he comes to the Cowboys, has an amazing start to his career, all of that. Wade Wilson tragically passes away about four years later. So we're at the repast after the funeral, and Dak comes up to me and says, coach, I never told you this story. He said, you remember you did that meeting with me before the draft where you were talking really fast and you kept interrupting me and all of that? I said, yeah. He's like, wade Wilson told me all the answers to the questions before I went in there, said, he's going to ask you this, he's going to ask you this, he's going to ask you this. So he said, when I got a little frustrated when you kept peppering the question, I wasn't mad about the question about the dui. I was mad that I was forgetting all the stuff that Wade had already told me. It was a setup.
- [62:50]
Dan Patrick
Oh, that's great. Always great to talk to you. Thanks for sharing and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Jason.
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Marvin Prince
You got it.
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Dan Patrick
Thanks, Jason Garrett. What's up, everyone?
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