Chase Daniel (9:15)

So it sounds like you.

Dan Patrick (9:16)

I just let Zeke do that.

Mike Florio (9:17)

Gotcha.

Dan Patrick (9:18)

But I don't want anybody here that's not healthy to have somebody around who wants to be someplace else. Really, it's not. Okay, then why did you deny permission? Mike doesn't want to interview with the Bears. He'd rather stay with the Cowboys. But if you're not going to resign him and let him go interview with the Bears. Mind boggling. Mind boggling. All righty, Satan. What's poll question for the first hour of the program?

Bobby Bones (9:49)

Well, we got a few of them here for you. Let's see. Paulie sent one over.

Dan Patrick (9:53)

The head coachless team that feels furthest.

Bobby Bones (9:56)

From the Super Bowl.

Dan Patrick (9:58)

Furthest from the Super Bowl. Head coachless.

Mike Florio (10:05)

It's a fun phrase, isn't it?

Dan Patrick (10:06)

Sounds weird. Look at us, we're head coachless. How's the rest of the body? Okay, well, let me think about that. Maybe we'll do that in, in a few minutes. Okay. What else do you have seen?

Bobby Bones (10:21)

Let's see.

Dan Patrick (10:22)

We have better gig Fox broadcaster or Raiders front office? Well, he is a part owner, so that's different than. And they kept Tom Tesco as their gm. I, I just see Brady as a one and done. He does the super bowl and then he decides that he's going to be more involved with the Raiders. I just don't see Tom sort of in and like one foot in, one foot out with the Raiders. I just, he's too much of a competitor. And it's one thing you can compete in this business. Like I compete with myself every day. We compete, you know, with ourselves each day. But this is different. These are wins and losses with Tom and creating something, building something. And I think that would probably intrigue him as opposed to being a broadcaster. I mean, Tom can be at a certain level and he knows that there'll just be people who don't like him just because he's Tom Brady or he beat their team or whatever it might be. You know, Tom is competing against Tom and I think that, I don't know if he gets the same kind of adrenaline rush now. He will. When you do a playoff game, when you do the Super Bowl, Tom's going to be like, oh my God, that was awesome. But it's still not that awesome of playing in it. Or you're part of a team now. It's a different team. It's the Fox broadcast team. But he's used to winning and losing and when you get done with the show, only you decide if you've won or lost. Hey, how did I sound? Was that good? This is different with the Raiders. Yeah, Seaton.

Bobby Bones (12:01)

But if his plan was to be part of the Raiders organization.

Mike Florio (12:05)

Right.

Bobby Bones (12:06)

He's a minority owner, but he wants to be involved in the day to day operations. Why would you sign a 10 year contract at Fox?

Dan Patrick (12:13)

Well, he got that before he got the Raiders situation. He didn't know that was going to be approved. Now, once again, I don't have any information on that, but I'm just thinking, I think Tom realized broadcasting is a little bit tougher than he thought. I think he thought, you know what, this is fun. I'm around the game and I've been around a lot of former players and former coaches who realize that those who make it look easy, that's how they stand out. Those are the stars. It's not easy but when you make like John Madden made it seem like, oh, man, you just get it and then boom. But it was so much more than that. Like, you have to put in your time. Tom can't even go and be in these meetings now. Like, he can't even be there to talk to these people like, you know, the analysts normally do. So I think Tom, it was an offer he couldn't refuse. And then I think he probably realizes that, all right, I kind of like it. You know, it's kind of fun. But nothing compares to competing. And he's one of the ultimate competitors. And that's why I think. And look, Andrew Marshon of, you know, the media critic, he's the one who brought it up and said, hey, he thinks Tom's going to be one and done. Yeah. Paulie, if you had this could be.

Chase Daniel (13:34)

A five minute poll question, if you.

Mike Florio (13:35)

Had to bet that Tom Brady has one job a year from now, which would it be?

Dan Patrick (13:40)

The Raiders. Yeah, yeah.

Chase Daniel (13:42)

The competitive angle.

Dan Patrick (13:44)

Yeah, yeah. Once. Once again, you know, I was around Drew Brees and when you're, when you're in the studio, it's sterile and that's what it's really jolting for these former coaches and players. It's like you're watching these games and then you talk a little bit about them with highlights and analysis and. But if you go to games, broadcast games, there's a whole different energy when you walk in. And I thought, okay, maybe that can replicate something that Tom had when he played that feeling. And I, man, I like this. I, I think he realized it's a little bit tougher, the critics. You know, you can't just go out there and say, I'm going to throw a touchdown pass. That's. It doesn't work that way or, man, wait till they get this analysis. And Tom was working, is working with somebody who is trying to help him bring up things that nobody else is bringing. Like he wants to get that he's a competitor. There's. And I was told that he works with somebody at Fox and they're trying to give him these stats, you know, things that he can work on, bring up. And then it's like, all right, I see what you're doing there, Tom. Yes, Todd. Is he more concerned about his look or how he sounds in the air? I don't know. I, I mean, I think his looks are all set. He's good there, I think. But you still got to maintain it, though. Yeah, well, I think he's pretty good for a little. Let himself go Clearly, I. I think in the next 10 years, he'll look pretty good. Still. His voice. His voice is something that, you know, he. It. He doesn't have that great voice, but I don't know if that would factor in at all. I think this is just. Tom, get a coach in there, maybe get Mike V in there, and then you find your quarterback, and then this is a different way of kind of differentiating you from anybody else. You know, Elway tried to do it. It didn't work out. You know, others have tried to be part of a franchise, and certainly great quarter, hall of Fame, quarter of Dan Marino's with the Dolphins. This is something where if you create something like this, I think you just put that on the resume. It's another thing to put on the resume and say, yep, I did that. Did you? Yeah. Paulie.

Chase Daniel (16:05)

As journalist Tom Brady just last night posted a picture on vacation.

Dan Patrick (16:09)

He's at the beach with a football in his hand.

Mike Florio (16:11)

He goes, man, it's January.

Chase Daniel (16:12)

I gotta see how the.

Dan Patrick (16:13)

The arm is.

Mike Florio (16:14)

See if I can still do it, like, for fun. He's just goofing around, but of course, he's.

Chase Daniel (16:17)

He's shirtless, and he looks.

Dan Patrick (16:18)

The lighting is just perfect. Yeah, but he could still play. That's the thing.

Chase Daniel (16:23)

He looks lean.

Dan Patrick (16:24)

He will. He will be the best quarterback in the building with the Raiders next year. Even if they bring in Sam Darnold, Tom. Or bring in Rogers.

Mike Florio (16:37)

He.

Dan Patrick (16:37)

Tom would probably think, you know, I could probably do this. It's just, you know, this is. And I wouldn't rule it out after watching LeBron last night. Now it's different. Lebron's, you know, freakish. The dunk that he had against the Mavs. But, you know, in his mind, Tom probably goes, I could still do it. And I'm only 40. I'm only 47. I could see that. All right, glad you're with us. And whatever role we play in your lives on a daily basis, certainly those of you in Los Angeles, hopefully we can be a diversion for you today. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino.

Mike Florio (17:29)

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Bobby Bones (18:26)

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the, the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.

Mike Florio (19:09)

There was something sentimental when you, when.

Dan Patrick (19:12)

When you send it, it's like, do.

Chase Daniel (19:14)

I send the heart now?

Bobby Bones (19:16)

I don't like the color edition.

Mike Florio (19:17)

It's extremely pink.

Bobby Bones (19:18)

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Dan Patrick (19:25)

Chase Daniel, co host of the Athletic Scoop City podcast, host of the Chase Daniel show on YouTube, and co host of the Facility on Fox Sports 1. Chase joining us from his car driving through Los Angeles. How would you describe what it's like driving through Los Angeles right now?

Chase Daniel (19:45)

You know, I'm on the 10 right now getting, trying to get to work. You know, Fox is about 6 miles from Pacific Palisades. Also, there's a huge brush Fire going in Pasadena, but I'm going through downtown LA right now. Traffic, a ton of smoke, maybe some fog, but it smells. I mean, I started smelling smoke about 10 miles south of downtown LA. So just trying to get through this. You know, it's a lot worse than probably what people think. Pacific Palisades, one of the premier neighborhoods in la. I mean, it's just burned to the ground. It's going up to Malibu right now. Just a really scary, scary thought for a lot of these people. 30,000 people already evacuated and it's zero percent contained. And the crazy thing about it, dan, is there's 99 mile per hour wind gusts.

Dan Patrick (20:35)

Yeah.

Chase Daniel (20:36)

And so that's the, that's the difficult thing here for these firefighters trying to contain it.

Dan Patrick (20:41)

Yeah. I was live texting with somebody who lives in the Pacific Palisades over by Riviera, and he was evacuating. You know, he said, I. You don't even know where to go. He said, I don't know what direction.

Chase Daniel (20:55)

Exactly and there's some road closures around, so we're having to do that. But my wife and I literally were in Pacific Palisades Village. The whole thing is burning and the houses were burnt. We were there this weekend. We did a staycation up from San Diego where we lived and just saw it for the first time. I was just amazed at how nice it was. I think it was built in 2018 and it's just completely devastated right now.

Dan Patrick (21:19)

I'll make the awkward segue. So we do talk some football here. More surprised that Gerard Mayo was fired or Antonio Pierce.

Chase Daniel (21:28)

For me, I think it was Gerard Mayo. I think that was a surprise firing of the cycle. Look, I don't agree with it either. You bring him in. What did you think was going to happen when you, when you draft Drake May? Your. Your entire team, really, your offensive weapons not where you want it to be. Look what Belichick did in his last season. And you, you know, you have this coach in waiting term for him that he's had for a while and you just give up on him for. For one year. Doesn't make a lot of sense. And you don't even start Drake May at the start of the season. I think things could have been different. Like, they're like, oh, he's not ready, he's not ready. Well, he's played exceptionally well, shown some growth. This firing to me is two things. One, I guess that Robert Kraft and the Patriots didn't like the progression and the developmental plan for Drake May and to like it just screams Mike Brable. And so it looks like, you know, who knows what direction they'll go. I just think he got the raw end of the deal, in my opinion.

Dan Patrick (22:28)

Yeah, but then Antonio Pierce gets fired, which I wasn't surprised. I thought Tom Brady's fingerprints are going to be all over this franchise, right?

Chase Daniel (22:36)

Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt about it. That was the one. You know, you go 5 and 4 as an interim coach and I think they were 4 and 13 or something like that. It comes down for me with the Raiders and Tom Telesco, which I like. Tom, they didn't get a quarterback this past year. They could have easily had the ammo to move up to get one of the top six guys. I mean, look at what Bo Nix has done.

Mike Florio (22:55)

Right.

Chase Daniel (22:55)

They end up with Brock Bowers. I understand that, but I mean, this definitely has Tom Brady's fingerprints. He's going to have a say in the next head coach. So then you look at who, who's out there for him. It's like, oh, well, Rabel as well. So it just seems like Brable's name keeps coming up everywhere.

Dan Patrick (23:10)

Well, give me the, the best opening right now.

Chase Daniel (23:15)

You know, for me. I'm a huge Chicago Bears fan and I like what the Chicago Bears have done. I like what they have on defense, I like what they have on offense. They got to get Caleb playing well. But one of the, one of the main openings that I think actually would attract some people and you're going to think I'm crazy for saying this is the Patriots job because you do have your franchise quarterback. I would argue that Drake May, along with Jaden Daniels are probably the top two quarterbacks that have developed throughout the entire year. They have their guy in Drake May. I fully believe that. And they have a lot of cap space to spend in free agency. So it depends on who they get. But I like, I like both those. I'd probably leave Patriots for me.

Dan Patrick (23:59)

Do you have to have an offensive minded head coach? Like what's more important to a quarterback's development? Your offensive coordinator or your head coach?

Chase Daniel (24:08)

No, I think it's your head coach. There's no really more, there's no more important relationship in my opinion based on the teams I've been in, the hall of Fame coaches. I've been with that relationship between a head coach and a quarterback.

Dan Patrick (24:22)

Right.

Chase Daniel (24:23)

I just have said this always about defensive head coaches and I've been with few. I've been with two of them. Brandon Staley and the guy in Detroit who got Fired Matt Patricia. Everything is the quarterback's fault when it goes wrong or everything is the offense's fault.

Dan Patrick (24:41)

Right.

Chase Daniel (24:41)

And I think that when you have an offensive minded guy, he protects the quarterback a little bit. So when you have these young quarterbacks and when stuff doesn't go right, I've just seen things go awry when a defensive head coach takes over because it's never their fault.

Dan Patrick (24:56)

We're talking to Chase Daniel, co host of the Athletic Scoop City podcast, also the Chase Daniels show on YouTube, which is great. He breaks down more film probably than anybody. And co host of the facility on Fox Sports 1. Speaking of breaking down film, I'm curious, what if the Ravens go back and look at what Lamar did or didn't do these previous playoff appearances and you're going against a familiar opponent here. What do you think the Ravens will do differently or Lamar differently to get them past that first round?

Chase Daniel (25:30)

Yeah, that's a good question, man. And everyone knows you know Lamar Jackson's career playoff record, two and four, nine touchdowns, nine turnovers in his career in the playoffs, a one to one ratio. He was at a five to one ratio this year. Dan, for me, when you're playing a team for the third time and I've done it a few times in my career, stuff gets weird, it gets interesting. You know them, the Steelers know you. I would love to see Lamar get out of the pocket early in the game and make them respect his legs. I know your like Chase, you ran for almost 800, 900 yards. I get that. But I think when you get into a game where you know each other, they're going to have a great plan. Defensively the Steelers are. I think if Lamar uses his legs early, I think it's going to get them off kilter and then it'll open up the pass game and then obviously you know Derek Henry over 1900 yards rushing. I think that is a big part of their deal is like control the football, play some smash mouth football. You know how this is in the AFC North. I think this game will actually be closer than people think. I know the Ravens are playing really well as of late and the Steelers obviously four game losing streak, but I think this will be close.

Dan Patrick (26:37)

Chase, there's a lot on the line here and and some of it is just the perception, some of it could mean changes. John Harbaugh hasn't been successful in the postseason recently. Mike Tomlin hasn't been successful recently. Lamar hasn't been successful recently. Russell Wilson's trying to hold on. I mean there's a whole lot of storylines in this game.

Chase Daniel (27:00)

I mean there really is and I think the biggest one and what we've been talking and I was the biggest proponent when, when Russell Wilson was 6 and 1. I said hey, let's resign him right now.

Dan Patrick (27:10)

You know.

Chase Daniel (27:10)

And then all of a sudden he's like, okay, you know, 04, a couple big red zone turnovers as of late. You can't point the finger right at him. I think that's a big storyline. How does Russ play? If Russ doesn't play well, do they look behind door number two this year for the quarterback? We had a conversation on the Fox show the facility. Hey, is Mike Tomlin on the hot seat? And I was like, no, no, no, no. And the more you think about, well, I mean like, you know, sometimes this might be good for a change. I'm not saying that he's not one of the best coaches out there, but it could be time for a change. And then everyone knows Lamar thing, I think that's easily the number one storyline in this game is like Lamar, you put up really, you could be an MVP again this year. You could be a three time mvp, although I think Josh Allen will win it. You could be an if you go and you go two and five in the playoffs, what is your legacy like? I think a great game for storylines. You hit them all, man.

Dan Patrick (28:03)

All right, before I let you go, give me the surprise. This weekend there's, there's going to be a road team that's, well, maybe even a home team like the Rams against the Vikings. But you got a surprise for me.

Chase Daniel (28:14)

I look, I would not want to go into Tampa and play the Bucs offense and Liam Calm and what they're doing because they are playing really well. I think a team that can do it though is Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders. Even a rookie on the road, we all know what Philly did last year. Laid an egg in Tampa. It's just a weird place to play in the playoffs. But Baker's having the best year of his career. I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Quinn has some good defensive minded strategies to help slow down Baker. And then I think Jaden really balls out with his legs. I think Zach Ertz catches a touchdown. I think they might win on the road.

Dan Patrick (28:51)

More importantly, safe travels this morning. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.

Chase Daniel (28:55)

Chase, thanks for having me on. Dan.

Dan Patrick (28:57)

Chase. Daniel, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at 9:00am Eastern, 6:00am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Bobby Bones (29:10)

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored, they changed and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

Dan Patrick (29:53)

There was something sentimental when you, like when you send it, you're like, do.

Chase Daniel (29:57)

I send the heart now?

Bobby Bones (29:59)

I don't like the color edition.

Mike Florio (30:00)

It's extremely pink.

Bobby Bones (30:02)

Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan Patrick (30:09)

Mike Florio is joining us on loan from Pro Football Talk. Always great to talk to Mike, and you can see him with Chris Sims Monday through Friday preceding this show on Peacock. Why did the Raiders wait a day to fire Antonio Pierce?

Mike Florio (30:25)

Well, you know, first of all, Dan, there's no and Happy New Year. If it's not too late to say Happy New Year. But first of all, yes, okay, that's fine. Happy New Year anyway. I mean, what's the alternative? Unhappy New Year? Is that what happens?

Dan Patrick (30:35)

How about just, hi, Mike, how are you?

Mike Florio (30:38)

Hi. Hi, Dan. Unless you are going to jump into the chase for Mike Vrabel, which maybe the Raiders will, you can't have face to face interviews with coordinators from other teams until January 20th, so you don't have to make a snap decision right away. But you'd like to think, as Jerry Jones so eloquently said last week, going into the Week 18 game against the Commanders, the hay is in the barn on what you're going to do about your coach. The Patriots knew. Why wait now, look, there's an element of awkwardness that creeps in when you're firing the guy still in the locker room after the regular season finale. But once you know what you're going to do, any delay in implementing it runs the risk that someone else is going to find out. And it's going to get out there. So, you know, whether it's Mark Davis wanted to talk to Tom Brady, who was working on Sunday and not at the game and not available for Davis to caucus with whatever the case may be, one day isn't a huge thing in the grand scheme of things because if you're looking for coordinators, you got a couple more weeks before you can even sit down and talk to.

Dan Patrick (31:41)

I talked to somebody yesterday I trust in the business, and we were talking about a variety of things, including Brady's fingerprints all over the Raiders situation here. And I said I thought Antonio Pierce was going to be fired. So now you have the Mike Vrabel situation, Brable Brady relationship. And so this person said to me, I could see a scenario where Vrabel doesn't go to the Patriots because of his allegiance to Bill Belichick and what the crafts did to Belichick out the door. I don't know if he would do that. You know, it seems like he's the obvious guy there, but can Brady convince Brable to go to the Raiders?

Mike Florio (32:20)

Well, that's where it would become extremely interesting if Brady would use the way the Patriots treated Belichick, even though it kind of fell apart for Brady and Belichick near the end. But that's a way to convince Vrabel not to go back there. Vrabel is going to do his own thing. Vrabel is going to do what's right for him. And he's got that red jacket with the crest on it that makes him a member of the Patriots hall of Fame. It's going to be tough to pull him away from New England, but he's the one guy right now who is going to have multiple opportunities. Interviewing with the Bears today. Saints want to talk to him. Jets have talked to him. Raiders presumably will want to. It's everybody with the Jack Jaguars so far have been linked to him in one way, shape or form. And at the end of the day, he'll know in his heart whether he wants to go to New England despite the things that happened with Belichick. And I could see variable compartmentalizing it. I could see Rabel smoothing things over with Bill if Bill's nose is out of joint. How dare you take that job and go to New England when I was there all those years? And. And you know, Vrabel's got. He's got a lot of parcels in him where he'll make his point in a very blunt way. But it's also kind of a charming and funny way and he's good with people in that respect. And, and, and I think that he'll manage Belichick and he'll go where he feels like he should go. And it, it just seems like a no brainer for him to go to New England. But how many times have we seen no brainers that just blow up and go a different direction?

Dan Patrick (33:46)

How do you think Brady like after he does the Super Bowl? Do you think Tom Brady's one and done as a broadcaster?

Mike Florio (33:54)

I think that Tom Brady and I made this point last week. Tom Brady either has no self awareness whatsoever to realize the various landmines and conflicts of interest and just, it's just a bad look, him trying to do two jobs that do not mesh. And Miles Simmons of PFT put it best when this was all first percolating. He wants to be the best at everything he does. It's impossible to be the best possible broadcaster you can be and the best possible part owner of a team you can be. And he's either completely oblivious to that or he is hyper aware of the fact that he can do whatever the hell he wants and he's going to do whatever he wants to do. But I think at some point he's going to realize not being able to go to the games, not being involved with the team in the regular season, as involved as he'd like to be because he has another job that keeps him occupied on Sundays in other cities covering other games. I think at some point he's going to realize on his own that I shouldn't do both. I can't do both. I want the competitive juices. I want to be in the fray. I want to be with the Raiders full time. And I think that there are people in the league who are quietly hoping that's the way it goes.

Dan Patrick (35:09)

Will the Lions lose both their coordinators?

Mike Florio (35:12)

It well, you know Ben Johnson is only going to leave if he feels like it's the right opportunity. Alignment with the front office is one of his top factors and he's learned from the mistakes of others. Where that window opens to be a head coach, you jump through it and you land in a briar patch and two, three years later you're out of a job and you wish you hadn't left. And I also think, and I heard this this weekend, he'd much rather be the mad scientist who is designing all these different crazy trick plays and exploiting defensive weaknesses than the guy who's at the center of attention, the guy who gets all the pressure, the guy whose Address gets posted online and people show up at his house. And Dan Campbell goes through a lot now. He makes a lot more money, but 4 or 5 million a year for an offensive coordinator, that's not a bad life. And you get to do what you want to do. You don't have to deal with all the hassles of being a head coach. And he seems to be just sensitive to the fact that life changes dramatically when you become a head coach. It's got to be the right spot. And I would not rule him out going back to Detroit and just waiting and waiting and waiting for the perfect opportunity.

Dan Patrick (36:17)

Talking to Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk LIVE co host, also contributor to Football Night in America. We just played our weekly game of in or out. I'm sure you've heard of it. The first pick of the NFL draft will not be a quarterback. Are you in or out?

Mike Florio (36:36)

I'll say I'm out because if the Titans decide they want a quarterback, they'll take one. And if they don't, I think they should trade the pick to a team that really falls in love with one of these quarterbacks. Now, it's still early in the process and whatever teams have put together by way of preliminary draft boards, that goes out the window once the coaches aren't coaching anymore and they get involved in the scouting process and their opinions begin to skew things. So there's a lot of work still left to be done. But just from the standpoint of teams that need quarterbacks, you got teams that have franchise quarterbacks and teams that don't, and the teams that don't are trying to get one. And the Raiders are a team that could maybe trade up with the Titans. You know, there are teams out there that I think if it's not the Titans taking a quarterback, they'll trade the pick to a team that wants one. Because the Titans could then parlay that into a bunch of other picks that could address other needs.

Dan Patrick (37:30)

If Jared Goff wins Super bowl mvp, he's going to the hall of Fame. Are you in or out?

Mike Florio (37:38)

I have to take a closer look at his entire career. It would be his second super bowl appearance. You know, the Rams basically attaching a first round pick to get him off their books is not a good look. I don't know that it's enough to get to the hall of Fame, but it puts him on track for something that three years ago we never would have dreamed possible. Because, I mean, this never gets described this way, but the Rams gave up an extra first round pick. They gave a 1 and a 3 for Stafford, and they attached a first round pick to golf to get his contract away. That's. That's how. How far he had fallen in the eyes of Sean McVay. And it might have been the best thing that ever happened to him because it sparked this resurgence where. Yeah, you know, I never thought of that, but I still think he'd have more work to do.

Dan Patrick (38:25)

All right, final one. Aaron Rodgers will not be a player or a broadcaster slash analyst next season. Are you in or out?

Mike Florio (38:35)

Well, I think if he retires, he won't be a broadcaster. He said he'll walk off into the sunset, but I can't. I also can't imagine him fading away from relevance and keeping his mouth shut. I am out on him not being a player, though. I think he'll find a spot next year.

Dan Patrick (38:49)

Yeah, I do, too.

Mike Florio (38:49)

I think he will.

Dan Patrick (38:50)

Yeah.

Mike Florio (38:50)

I've been watching Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. And Sims made a point today. This guy, Chad Brinker that nobody heard of until yesterday, who somehow arrived in Tennessee two years ago and is now completely in charge of the operation. Nashville is a place where Rogers has a house. The Titans need a quarterback. Here's the key. Brinker was with the packers from 2010 through 2022 in the front office. And we know how Rodgers feels about the Green Bay front office. And he either loves Chad Brinker or he hates Chad Brinker. There is no in between with Aaron Rodgers. So you may scratch Tennessee off the list right now if he doesn't like Chad Brinker. But I can see Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin finding a way to join forces for one season, and, man, that would be exciting.

Dan Patrick (39:36)

The MVP conversation is always fascinating. And you have a guy that, if this was the Academy Awards, it's Josh Allen's turn, they would probably say, whereas Lamar Jackson probably had his best performance. But you get voter fatigue. You get voters who go, yeah, but he doesn't do well in the like. People have their own criteria here. What do you think this comes down to as to why this quarterback will win the mvp?

Mike Florio (40:05)

Well, and I said this the other day, trust your gut if you're a voter. Because what we do as humans, we find objective statistics and facts to support whatever it is our gut is telling us to do. Anyway, watch Josh Allen. Watch Lamar Jackson. Look at the season Lamar Jackson had in comparison to last year when he was mvp. And I know that other guys had less seasons than that and guys had better seasons than. I get all that. But you got to Trust your gut. Who is the mvp? And you know the problem with this award, Dan? And I say this is one of the voters fully cognizant of the fact that they may take the award away or they vote away. And if they do, I don't care. What the hell is an mvp? Like, what does it mean? I heard Chris Fowler talking about it during the game on Saturday. Most valuable to your team. Well, is that what it is? I mean, it's an age old debate in sports. Most valuable to. If it's the most valuable player to the league, it's Patrick Mahomes every year until he retires, because there is no one bringing value to the sport like him. So it's just a crazy thing. And I just tell people, whatever your gut feeling is, go with it. Because if you start coming up with objective justifications, all you're doing is because we can find any stat to support whatever it is we want to do.

Dan Patrick (41:20)

Wow. But don't say that you don't want your vote. They can take it away.

Mike Florio (41:24)

Oh, I. Well, let me tell you something. I've spent about this week, and this is a busy week. And I know we're covering sports. I've had real jobs. Real jobs suck. I'm not complaining about my job. But to throw another 10 hours of work between the all pro votes and the awards ballots on top of everything else, for the grand total salary of zero dollars and zero cents, you get to a point where you're like, you know what? I wouldn't be so upset if they took my vote away.

Dan Patrick (41:53)

I'll take your vote. But I. I don't know if the commissioner will let me have it.

Mike Florio (41:59)

Oh, it's not that. Trust me, the commissioner has nothing to do with it, or I would not. If the commissioner had anything.

Dan Patrick (42:04)

How did you get the vote?

Mike Florio (42:06)

Yeah, I wouldn't have the vote.

Dan Patrick (42:07)

He would vote against you getting a vote.

Mike Florio (42:09)

He would. He would blackball me.

Dan Patrick (42:10)

Yeah. All right, well, you can ship me your. Your MVP vote. All right. Thank you, Mike.

Mike Florio (42:17)

Thank you, Dan.

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