Todd Archer (1:55)

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Dan Patrick (2:00)

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Todd Archer (2:38)

Show on Fox Sports Radio.

Dan Patrick (2:40)

He's Brady Quinn, F Fox college football analyst and part of the big Noon kickoff. They will be in Columbus and it'll be Texas against Ohio State. We'll talk about that coming up in a moment. Good to see you again with yesterday's news happening in the NFL. Did that change your opinion on which who is the team to beat a little bit?

Todd Archer (3:02)

I mean, I think the way I look at the NFC is there's probably three or four teams that I think we legitimately are looking at thinking that they can win a Super Bowl, Philly being at the top of the list. But Green Bay was probably one of those teams and now it makes them without a doubt a contender, maybe even the biggest contender to the Philadelphia Eagles, in my opinion.

Dan Patrick (3:22)

Help me understand. Let's start with Dallas. You're shaking your head already because, because.

Todd Archer (3:28)

Dan, none of it makes sense. I know, like a guy you drafted who has been a generational talent, has done everything on the field that you'd hoped he would be. How do you make any sense of letting him walk? And I'm not saying that Kenny Clark won't help the run defense or they might not get a couple good first round picks, but probably because they're from Green Bay, probably in the, you know, second half, somewhere in the 20s, it's not like you're getting a top 10 pick. And so I just, I really don't see in the short term how this is going to help them the way it would if Micah Parsons was on the field for them. And even the long term, like, let's just say that, you know, they're in a rebuilding phase, not that they necessarily are, but in no way, shape or form does this help Dallas in the short term or long term. And if I'm a veteran in that locker room in Dallas and I keep hearing the phrase last year we're all in, and people have kind of questioned some of that throughout the years. Now I'm really questioning it. Now I'm really wondering what exactly is going on in Dallas and how does this happen? Because it's not like Jerry Jones doesn't have the money or the cap space to do that sort of deal. It was a good deal, but it wasn't astronomical. Something that really blew things out of the water in regards to the Dallas Cowboys being unable to, to sign him to that deal. They, they were able to make it work with Dak Prescott. They've been able to make it Work CD Lam and other other players. This wasn't the sort of deal that would completely handicap them moving forward in their salary cap.

Dan Patrick (4:53)

I just didn't understand the lack of leverage there that Jerry could have created. You're a businessman, create leverage. And maybe prior to the draft you could have said he's available or you could have said in the last couple of weeks he's available. Let's get into a bidding war here because two first round, two late first round picks and Kenny Clark, the fact that Seattle gave up three first round picks for Jamal Adams, you know, Khalil Mack when he went to the Bears, the Raiders got a better deal. Like it just doesn't make sense with what you got in return.

Todd Archer (5:27)

Yeah. And by the way, is Green Bay the only team that wanted Micah Parsons services? That's the other odd thing. It's like, was there not more teams inquiring? Was it Green Bay that was your best offer? It's just shocking. I mean, I think if you look at it statistically speaking, Micah Parsons is on a run. That's again, like in the likes of someone like LT and the likes of some of the greatest that have ever done it. And so you have to think that every single team that is in need of an edge rusher had reached out and would be willing to mortgage at least the next few years of the first round of the draft to have a player like that and sign him to a long term deal, especially when he's still in his prime. So look, I don't know if there's more to the story behind the scenes, whether that's from Micah's side or Jerry Jones side. It feels like that because none of this makes any sense and it definitely doesn't from the Dallas Cowboys standpoint. And I feel bad for their fan base because I feel like they're being sold a bill of goods. And it's almost as if you can hear Jerry Jones up there trying to talk everyone into why this makes sense for them. And it, it just, it sounds like one of those things where you, you, you know, have your grandparent. They're getting to a point where you're like, okay, okay Grandma, I'm not sure I necessarily believe what you're saying right now, but I'm going to give you a hug and a kiss and I'm going to keep supporting you.

Dan Patrick (6:40)

I don't know who's running the NFL Players Associate Players association anymore, but why did they allow Jerry Jones to negotiate in parentheses a contract with Micah Parsons without his agent there?

Todd Archer (6:52)

I mean, the sheer fact that you don't know who right now is running the NFL PA kind of lends itself to how that probably happens. I mean, that the NFL PA has had its issues, let's just put it that way. I mean, as far as how things have, how business is being done, or maybe I should say how some of the meetings were taking place, especially with some of the venues they were taking place at. I know Fritzi frequents those from time to time, but I'll go ahead and leave that out of it. I don't know. I mean, this, this, this whole entire saga, whatever you want to, however you want to describe it is quite possibly, I mean, again, you can only describe it as it being something that happens with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. I don't know any other team that does business like this other than Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, at least at this point in time in his career, owning the team and being the general manager.

Dan Patrick (7:42)

Talking to Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst Big Noon kickoff. It'll be there at the the Shoe in Columbus and it'll be number one, Texas, number three, Ohio State. What advice would you give Arch Manning?

Todd Archer (7:56)

Oh, it's a good question. I think the first thing I would say, I mean, he started some games before, but this one's going to feel different in part because he's got some new pieces up in front of him. But it's, it's probably just weathering the storm. I mean, there's going to be that initial adrenaline rush which I'm sure you felt before the first time he started, going back to last year or even when he first got inverse Colorado State. You know, you feel that adrenaline like run through your body where you get that excitement. But there's going to be a different feeling in this one because of the atmosphere. I mean, Buckeye Nation is one of the best, toughest fan bases that you're going to go up against. There's a hundred thousand plus in that place and it gets loud. And so it's really about to me, weathering the storm early. You know, he's still very young in his career. It's his first year full time now as a starter, so there's going to be mistakes made and it's kind of having that short term memory, taking a deep breath, weathering those first few punches that Ohio State's going to have and then settling in. And that's sometimes easier said than done. Sometimes it takes you a half a football, sometimes it takes, you know, a couple positive plays or that first big throw that first completion, it's almost like, you know, playing basketball. You know, once you kind of break the seal, you're able to make a bucket, then it feels like you get a little more confident, like everything's going to start going in. So I'm sure Steve Sarkeesian, because he's a mastermind at devising plays, he's going to come up with a few screens just to get him started and just also to try to tire out the Ohio State pass rush.

Dan Patrick (9:22)

Social media is going to have a field day this after this game, one way or another, it's either Arch is going to win the Heisman or Arch is not going to win the Heisman or Texas is not a great team or Texas looks dominating, Ohio State's overrated or they're not going to repeat. We tend to do that. You know, that quick reaction referendum coming up on Monday. What do you think the headline is going to be after this game?

Todd Archer (9:51)

Well, I see it being more of a tight, low scoring game. So I don't know that we're going to see really either side coming away with like a blossoming report on either quarterback or either offense for that matter. I think it's going to be more of a defensive battle. Typically the defense is always ahead of the offense anyway. This time of year it's and part the quarterbacks in both these games are inexperienced. You know, Sam's getting his first start of his career. But it's also the offensive line we tend to forget. Like that group takes a while to gel and in particular for Texas, they got a bunch of new starters. Ohio State has a bunch of guys who play but haven't been in a full time starting role. But you get in that environment again with the crowd noise, everything else and just your communication, how you pass off the stunts and games. So I think it's going to be more of a low scoring defensive battle and I think we're going to come away with it. Looking at both these two teams as two of the top teams in college football and probably two teams that we want to see how they progress and what they're going to look like at the end of the season because they may very well be squaring it off for a national championship when it's all said and done.

Dan Patrick (10:51)

What is it like when you're out there on the road? Let's say you're at the big house. Let, let's say there's 80, 90, 100,000 people there. What's that feeling like when you first go on the field and you know, everybody in the building hates you.

Todd Archer (11:05)

It's awesome.

Dan Patrick (11:06)

And oh yeah, it's the best, it's.

Todd Archer (11:07)

The best thing in the world. Like there is no greater feeling than walking in as the enemy. And, and probably the most powerful thing that you can do in that situation is hear silence. And so when you create those big plays when you, when you throw a touchdown pass. But I'll never forget going to Michigan in 05 and we went in with a no huddle offense because Charlie Weiss, our coach was like, we don't even want to give the crowd the opportunity to play any impact. And I think our first drive we drove right down the field and scored and it kind of took the wind out of everyone and we kind of just controlled the game from there. And I remember thinking back, like walking out of that place hearing 100,000 plus in the big house, quiet, nothing better than that. Like that's one of the most powerful things you can do as a quarterback when you're a part of a team that wins a game on the road in a big environment like that and you just hear silence. It's awesome.

Dan Patrick (11:56)

Brady is also part of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, the radio program that precedes ours on a lot of our affiliates. I was listening the other day and you were talking about rookie quarterbacks or second year quarterbacks and they will block out one side of the field when they go back to pass, they're already turned. And you know, you were talking about the windows you have, you, everybody's open, but in the pros they're only open for, you know, a split second. You were kind of given a referendum on why these quarterbacks struggle. So if you can recall what you were saying, you know, with Caleb Williams and you know, some of these other guys, why do they struggle when they first come in?

Todd Archer (12:40)

So I think this is, and it starts to me at really a fundamental age of, of learning how to drop back because so many offenses, I mean, I've got nephews now, my, my sons are too young to play, but I've got nephews now that are playing in junior high and even, you know, in like fourth grade, fifth grade. And they're in shotgun already. I mean, they don't do a snap from under center almost anywhere anymore. And the reason why I think that's a bad place to start for quarterbacks is everything under center is tied into a sense of timing and rhythm. So your three step, five step, seven step, even your play action, pass fakes are all off of that. And the reason why that's so important is because you have a sense of timing for the footwork that your receivers are running too. And so if you're, you're footwork synced up with their footwork, the timing kind of works out for it. And I know it sounds like something small, but that shotgun snap, the amount of time it takes to get to you sitting back in shotgun makes just a bit of difference, that it changes really the timing of the play. And so for a lot of quarterbacks who are trained with playing from under center, they naturally have that internal clock you hear people talk about all the time for when they drop back, when they need to get rid of the football. The other thing it teaches you to do because you're sitting right under center and is to get back from the line of scrimmage so you can see over those big guys in front of you. And so whether it's your three step, which no one does anymore, five step or seven step, it teaches you how to set the back of the pocket so you can see, but then step back up into it because then that's what that tackles our coach to do, is kind of push those edge rushers out around you. So what happens is oftentimes when you catch the football and the shotgun, it's really hard to kind of be as disciplined with your footwork because the ball takes a little bit longer to get there. It depends on the, you know, center snap too. But oftentimes you're almost reacting to then when that, that footwork of the wide receiver, when things start to kind of come open. So you do your best you can to make that, you know, shotgun snap in the same rhythm that you have on your center. But sometimes it doesn't work out that way. And so it hurts the timing of the play, it hurts how you set the pocket of it. But the thing I was pointing out was oftentimes quarterbacks will catch the football and they find themselves getting the back of the pocket and they never square up their shoulders. And if you don't square up your shoulders, you're not going to be, you know, forced to climb up in back into the pocket and then maintain the ability to still throw down the field and anyway, left, right, what have you, whether you're right handed or left handed, once you turn your hips and your shoulders parallel to the line of scrimmage, you're really limiting where you can throw the football downfield because physically it's difficult to contort your body and throw all arm to the right side. For example, if you're a right handed quarterback or the left side if you're a left handed quarterback. And so, and then you naturally, when the way you see the rush is you want to run left or right, you don't want to step up into it. So it's just something that I think has happened over the course of, I don't know, the past decade or so where so many quarterbacks now are growing up playing shotgun that they don't have this natural sense for how to navigate the pocket. And it takes drill work and it takes time for these guys to learn how to do it.

Dan Patrick (15:38)

Yeah, and I saw that with Shador Sanders. When, when you're in, in the gun, it feels like you're going to scramble out instead of move up in the pocket. It's rare when these young quarterbacks move up in the pocket. They're used to escaping, I think. And Montana told me this years ago, he said, I loved being under center because it allowed me to watch everything unfold and I could see everything in real time. I got back to the pocket and I, I had a better sense of where I was and, and then I could move up in the pocket and I feels like these guys are already back there and then they're going to try to, you know, be an escape artist. And that's what Shador's gotten in trouble with, Caleb's gotten in trouble with. And I don't know how Cam is going to do or Jackson dart, but it feels like they've all been taught kind of the same thing.

Todd Archer (16:27)

The best way I describe it is if you look at boxers, for example, and how they navigate the ring, it's very similar for the footwork for a quarterback because when you get back there, you're really setting up because you're delivering that overhand right. So every movement you make should still keep you in a position to be able to make that overhand right or that throw. I say overhand right in my case because I'm right handed. And so that's where if you watch a boxer, like they never are facing each other really directly with their shoulders parallel. You know, usually they're, they're turned a little bit so they can get torque and they can throw that overhand right for the knockout punch when they need to. And, and so that's why like I, I cross trained with some boxing when I was younger obviously because I felt like it was, it was great to keep you in shape, but also it's very applicable for the way you navigate and move through the pocket and you had to get kind of get used to that. And so look again, it's something that you can work on, you can drill out, but it does take some time to kind of, you know, I guess reinvent, you know, some of your, your sense of timing and footwork within the pocket, even from shotgun. But it just, it takes time and getting a lot of practice at it.

Dan Patrick (17:29)

What do you expect with Notre Dame, Miami Sunday night?

Todd Archer (17:33)

Yeah, I'm not sure what to expect from Miami. You know, they've got so many new players. I think I counted five new starters on defense. Corey Heatherman's taken over as their defensive coordinator because they really struggled defensively last year. Carson Beck steps in as quarterback, which, look, two years ago he was phenomenal. I really thought last year at Georgia he would play well enough to put himself in the position of being a top 10 pick. And it just, it didn't work out that way. And any transfers and now you got to learn a new system. You have to develop chemistry with new pass catchers. That's not easy to do. So knowing Mario Cristobal and he's got that O line background, you know, I think he doesn't mind making this like a battle in the trenches. And I think Marcus Freeman's loves that because that plays right into Notre Dame's hand. Their defense is going to be stout, 21 of the best in college football. We've got the best running back in the country and Jeremiah Love and everyone, like a lot of people forget, Jadarian Price is a damn good back too, you know, a little Williams too, played as a freshman last year with those two. So they're going to be able to run the football. I think this is a low scoring game and I think it's one. It's going to be a battle and it's probably going to come down to which team can kind of limit their mistakes. And I think honestly, C.J. carr, who's got all the talent, ability in the world, you know, he just has to make enough big throws and enough conversions on third down to allow Notre Dame to take care of business, which I think they will do.

Dan Patrick (18:49)

Who has more wins this year, the Patriots or North Carolina? Football.

Todd Archer (18:56)

Yeah, it's funny, like outside of Clemson, the acc, I think UNC can make a pretty good case for, for making a run that next team to keep an eye on. So I'll say they can probably get to nine. It's gonna be close. I mean, look, I'm a huge Mike V. Fan. I love Drake May. I love everything they've Done with that roster. I think they're gonna finish second in the division this year. So I think that'll net them somewhere around 9, 10 wins. So I'm actually gonna go on to say I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with the Patriots.

Dan Patrick (19:27)

Okay.

Todd Archer (19:28)

I, I think they're a 9, 10 win team. I think UNC somewhere in that 8, 9 win ballpark.

Dan Patrick (19:33)

Good to talk to you. Safe travels to Columbus and thanks for joining us as always.

Todd Archer (19:37)

I'm just hoping to get credentials so I get in the stadium. Like that's what I'm really.

Dan Patrick (19:41)

Will you get, will you get booed there?

Todd Archer (19:45)

Well, I get booed. I don't know if I will necessarily will get booed. I don't know that there's other people that might get booed.

Dan Patrick (19:53)

Is Dave Courtney. Is Dave Courtney. Dave Porto.

Todd Archer (19:57)

We do a lot of charity work with Ohio State. We were donating thousands a year to that school. I was like, I hope they don't lose. We'll see.

Dan Patrick (20:04)

Leonard will get booed as he should.

Todd Archer (20:07)

As he probably should now. Now Mark Ingram will never get booed because Mark is like the people's champ. Like Mark is. He is the party that, like wherever you need to go or you need to bring up the vibes. Like Mark is the guy to do it. And obviously coach won't. I mean, they love coach. You know, coach won him a national championship, so he's in good standing. I, you know, there's some other folks that could get dicey.

Dan Patrick (20:29)

Is Dave Portnoy going to be there with you?

Todd Archer (20:32)

He will be in Columbus, yes. And on the show. You know, as far as where he'll be, I can't divulge that information.

Dan Patrick (20:39)

I'm guessing he won't be in the stadium.

Todd Archer (20:42)

I don't know. You never know. I mean, that would be one of the all time great.

Dan Patrick (20:46)

Yeah.

Todd Archer (20:46)

I mean, you know, you saw the Michigan win last year. Maybe he finds his way into the stadium.

Dan Patrick (20:49)

Who knows?

Todd Archer (20:51)

I can't say.

Dan Patrick (20:51)

Thank you, Brady. Yep, Brady Quinn. He'll be there with big noon kickoff as Ohio State hosts Texas. Also two pros in a Cup of Joe radio show.

Todd Archer (21:03)

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Dan Patrick (21:04)

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Todd Archer (21:07)

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Todd Archer (21:34)

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Dan Patrick (21:36)

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Todd Archer (23:27)

Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was what's in these boxes? There were a few unplayed gems that we had been alerted to by Charlie Pinion of Sinatra Enterprises. So we knew that certain songs like shadow of your smile, which actually is not on this record, it'll be on the next one.

Dan Patrick (23:47)

Seth MacFarlane.

Todd Archer (23:48)

Don Rickles went up to Frank Sinatra and he said, listen, I'm going to be having dinner with this lovely woman and I, you know, would you come over and say hi? And just so you know, because I feel like if she sees that I know you, it's going to make me look really cool and, you know, I might have a good night. During the middle of dinner, Frank walks over and says, don, hi, how are you? And Don goes, frank, please, I'm in the middle of dinner.

Dan Patrick (24:05)

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Todd Archer (24:09)

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Todd Archer (24:51)

The pilot is having an emergency and.

Dan Patrick (24:54)

We need someone, anyone, to land this plane. Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control.

Todd Archer (25:06)

And they're saying like, okay, pull this. Until this, pull that, turn this.

Dan Patrick (25:09)

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Todd Archer (25:12)

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And on our new show, no such thing, we get to the bottom of questions that, like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence. Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.

Todd Archer (25:29)

And then as we try the whole.

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Todd Archer (25:35)

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Todd Archer (25:44)

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Dan Patrick (25:46)

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Todd Archer (25:47)

I want to tell you about my new fiction podcast.

Dan Patrick (25:51)

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Todd Archer (25:53)

It's about Buzz Aldrin, one of the true pioneers of space. You're a great pilot, Buzz. As far as I'm concerned, the best I've seen. That's the story you think you know. This is the story you don't predisposition.

Dan Patrick (26:07)

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Todd Archer (26:09)

We'll see Buzz try to overcome demons.

Dan Patrick (26:13)

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Todd Archer (26:15)

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Dan Patrick (26:16)

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Todd Archer (26:19)

Good luck to you and become a true hero.

Dan Patrick (26:22)

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Todd Archer (26:23)

Lunar module not because he conquers space, but because he conquers himself. Buzz, we intercepted a Soviet radio transmission starring me, John Lithgow. Can you put it through Translate on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan Patrick (26:43)

Columbia Hour 2. It's a meat Friday. Ready to go. Fritzi's here. Dylan is in for Seaton. Seaton's on the road. He's in Columbus for the Fox Sports Radio tailgate tour. Go to danpatrick.com to follow along. Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Marvin's here, Paulie's here. Yours truly and the back room guys spent a lot of time, first hour talking about the trade. I wonder if this is going to be, hey, do you know who the Milwaukee Bucks got for Kareem Abdul Jabbar when they traded him away or Wilt Chamberlain, you know, one of those. Where? Do you remember who was that guy that they got from Green Bay? Oh, yeah, they got a couple of draft picks because sometimes, you know, we move on and we forget, oh, who did they get like Jamal Adams when the jets got three first round picks. Garrett Wilson was one of those guys that they got in return. The fact that Jamal Adams can command three first round picks and Micah Parsons gets two first round picks and Kenny Clark and it feels like the attention, the spotlight is on the Cowboys like it always is. But you know, the packers, they're not going to change, alter their, you know, ticket prices this year, maybe next year. But you just went from being a plus 200, 2000 to win the Super bowl to plus 1200. And you were plus 1100 to win the NFC now plus 600. You got quarterbacks in that division. I mean, that is a very, very competitive division that is rivaling what you have in the AFC West. We don't know what we have in Caleb Williams or J.J. mcCarthy. Jared Goff has proven to be a high end quarterback. Jordan Love has had his moments. He was banged up Last year. But this is a, this was a dangerous team. Now you got a team that is going to be one of the on the short list of super bowl favorites. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. And we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. It is a meat Friday, in case you're wondering what's on the menu. Dylan is doing double duty here by sitting in Seaton's chair. He has to come up with a poll question as well. We have smoked brisket. It's been smoking for over 12 hours. We also have Capri say salad, coleslaw, potato salad. Who has it better than we do? No body Cowboys don't have it better than we do. Todd Archer, ESPN NFL Nation reporter covering the Cowboys since 2003. Well, I didn't think we would get here, but we got here. How did we get here, Todd?

Todd Archer (29:28)

You know, Jerry Jones has a line.

Dan Patrick (29:30)

That he likes to use where he.

Todd Archer (29:31)

Says, don't let your money get mad. I think his money got mad in this situation.

Dan Patrick (29:36)

When he wasn't able to work out.

Todd Archer (29:37)

The contract with directly with Micah Parsons. There were no negotiations after that, no offers sent from the team to the agent, nothing from the agent back to the team. And they, Mike aside, made one last push at the start of the week or the end of last week to.

Dan Patrick (29:54)

Say, hey, can we get going on this? Let's do a deal.

Todd Archer (29:57)

And Jerry flat out told him, no, you're playing on the fifth year option and then we'll see what happens after the season. We'll franchise tag you. That kind of set all the balls in motion towards this trade with Green Bay. A number of suitors that we were told were involved. The Cowboys were kind of limited to who they could be because it was that team needed cap room, that team needed a defensive player they could get in return. And it came together pretty quickly once the packers were able to come to the agreement with Parsons on the long term contract.

Dan Patrick (30:28)

But Todd, let's go back to March. If you know you're not going to sign him, at least create some leverage, a bidding war going into the draft. That's what I don't understand. If he doesn't understand it either, then then maybe I understand the rationale. But still, you traded away, you know, one of the five best defensive players in the game and you know, trajectory for the hall of Fame. You get Kenny Clark, who's over 30, and you get two late first round picks. More than likely I just don't understand how Jerry can, with a straight face, say the team is better now today than it was yesterday. Well, they're better for the playoffs.

Todd Archer (31:09)

He didn't say they were. When they were going to make the playoffs, I guess.

Dan Patrick (31:11)

Right.

Todd Archer (31:12)

If it would be this year or not. But. But I asked Jerry that question. If you knew in the beginning of April that you had this pushback on the agreement that you and Micah had from the agent, why didn't you make the deal before the draft when you had the opportunity to help your team more theoretically in 2025 by getting a player in multiple draft picks as well? So. And his answer was convoluted.

Dan Patrick (31:38)

And Jerry like.

Todd Archer (31:38)

And I really don't know what it was, but Stephen Jones said, well, the draft is in April, too. This was the beginning of the month and the end of the month. You're at least three weeks where you could have worked that out and got into a deal. They chose not to do it. They went this route, and in their mind, this is the best that they could do right now. And they knew that if Micah Parsons wasn't going to play Week 1 against Philadelphia, that it would have been a situation that would have been onerous for the entire year, and they didn't want to put Brian Schottenheimer in part, in that situation.

Dan Patrick (32:10)

But we've talked about this before. If the Cowboys have a traditional general manager who has power, who has teeth, do we get to this point in this, you know, situation where you're partying with Micah Parsons?

Todd Archer (32:24)

Well, I think in that situation, the owner says, hey, man, too bad. Work it out. You know, that's what the owner would say. Because you. You can't convince an owner who's not the general manager to that that team would be better without Micah Parsons that particular season.

Dan Patrick (32:38)

So that. That's where the.

Todd Archer (32:40)

The. Everybody who says Jerry needs to fire the gm.

Dan Patrick (32:43)

Well, this is the case where the.

Todd Archer (32:44)

GM didn't have an owner telling them what to do either.

Dan Patrick (32:47)

I just wonder the role that Stephen Jones played in this, because Jerry loves to be a buddy to the players. Is. Is Stephen. Are Steven's fingerprints on this, that he. It might have been the one that, you know, convinced Jerry to trade away Micah Parsons?

Todd Archer (33:05)

I wouldn't cast the blame on Stephen Jones. Jerry told us that this was a.

Dan Patrick (33:11)

Unanimous decision from everybody in the organization.

Todd Archer (33:14)

That they talked to, including some players. Players are on the leadership council when we met yesterday. Now, I get it. It's easy to say, of course everybody's going to tell Jerry Yeah, let's go ahead and do this if that's what Jerry wanted to do.

Dan Patrick (33:26)

Wait, wait. There were players on the Cowboys who co signed on this to get. To move on from Micah Parsons.

Todd Archer (33:32)

That is what Jerry told us yesterday, that they're a player, they have a leadership council. Players were contacted and they were. They understood it as well.

Dan Patrick (33:40)

Whether they were okay.

Todd Archer (33:41)

Okay with it, maybe a distinction without difference, but they were. They were understanding why the Cowboys had to make the move.

Dan Patrick (33:48)

And look, there.

Todd Archer (33:49)

There have been teammates in Micah's past and even probably some in the present that have been annoyed might be the best word by some of the things that he's done. And they all might be little things to some degree. Not putting Dak Prescott in as one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL on your podcast, not working the hardest on the practice field, showing up to the game the other night, eating nachos, lying down on the medical table. All that stuff might be little stuff, but when you start adding all that stuff together, I think teammates again, some. For sure. Some former guys were just annoyed at times by Micah.

Dan Patrick (34:28)

Great.

Todd Archer (34:28)

But they always understood his production on the field is what mattered most.

Dan Patrick (34:34)

Thank you, Todd. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining us. Thanks. Todd Archer, ESPN NFL Nation reporter, covering the Cowboys since 2003. Yeah. You're trying to figure this out where you go? Okay, this makes a lot of sense. Sure. We're a better team today. It goes back to when Jerry said they were all in. Like, all in one. Like, all in a pile of bleep. Like, what are you all in on? Yeah.

Todd Archer (35:01)

Pauline, I saw your reaction when Todd Archer said that players on the whatever competition committee, that they have agreed with this trade. And Jerry Jones said that to the media. Do you believe that?

Dan Patrick (35:14)

I mean, I'm going to take Todd at his word, but I can't imagine Dak Prescott or CD Lamb if they're part of the leadership committee. Hey, hell yeah. Get rid of him. Let's get worse. I get. I don't understand it. Look, there are personalities that you have to put up with, and you balance that by production and personality. It's like Draymond Green. I would have moved on from Draymond Green. I don't want to deal with that personality anymore. When he was great. Okay, I can deal with the personality. Did Micah Parsons. Get to the point. And I know he wasn't universally loved inside that building. He was not. And yes, he has a big mouth. They know all of these things. If you know all of these things and how much they're going to cost you. Then trade him. Trade him in March or April, not now. Rob Damofsky, he's been covering the packers since 1997. ESPN NFL Nation reporter, what was your reaction to this trade?

Todd Archer (36:14)

Dan, as the week began, earlier in this week, you sort of had an inkling that this might be a real possibility. In fact, on the day after the cuts, I asked a couple players in the locker room about it. And one of those guys being all pro safety Xavier McKinney, who just so happens to have the same agent as Micah Parsons, it was not a coincidence that I went up to him. But Xavier first, he looked at me and said, I'm not talking about that. And I'm like, but you know him, right? He goes, I know him, he's a great dude. And that's about all I can say right now. And he smiled at me. I mean, you know, again that at that point we weren't 100% sure that the packers were involved or that the Cowboys were even listening. We know now that they have been listening for a little while. And I can tell you this, Dan, from a Packer standpoint, this all started a week or so ago, maybe a little longer. And Brian Gudig is the general manager. This is what I was told. Walked into Matt LaFleur's office and asked his coach, would you want Micah Parsons? And LaFleur goes, well, of course. And then it took off from there.

Dan Patrick (37:18)

How does this not work out for the Packers?

Todd Archer (37:22)

You know, if, obviously if Parsons gets hurt, you know, it's a, it's a disaster, right, because you paid him all this money. You don't have your draft picks. You know, as long as Micah Parsons is the Micah Parsons that we've seen for the last four years, I mean, this is a team, Dan, that has not had a player, a single player with double digit sacks in a season since the year before Micah Parsons came into the NFL. Their last double digit sack guy was Zadarius Smith in, I believe it was 2020. You know, Rashawn Gary is a former first round pick, a good pass rusher that they then gave a second contract to, but quite frankly has not been as good as they would have hoped. I'm sure they think the addition of Micah Parsons not only gives Micah, it gives them Micah Parsons, but it also takes some of the double teams and the attention away from Rashawn Gary. I do think, you know, Todd mentioned some of the, Todd Archer mentioned some of the things that go with Micah Parsons. I did talk to somebody this morning in the league who thought, you know what, maybe there is some of that, but this is, this being Green Bay is the perfect place for him. Like, it's all about football here. Yes, he's got a little bit of an entourage, but so does everybody now. And that the packers infrastructure, you know, their, their player development, player engagement, security guys, they have the infrastructure to make this work. And, you know, I don't think the packers would have done it if they didn't feel like that was a big concern.

Dan Patrick (38:46)

And this, this has been kind of unpacker. Like you take a wide receiver in the first round, you know, you take a big swing and you go, micah Parsons. And you know, it had. The packers, have they changed their philosophy?

Todd Archer (39:02)

It's a great question, and I think the answer is yes. And I think it goes back to a couple things. One, on January 16, that was four days after the packers lost to the Eagles in the playoffs, Brian Goodykoons, the general manager, said in front of us at the podium, it's time we start competing for championships. And then he does what you said, drafts. Matthew Golden. The last time they drafted a first round receiver here was 21 years ago. And then I think there's another factor at play here, and that's the change in presidents. You know, the packers don't have an owner, they have a team president. And that team president now is Ed Policy, because the former president, Mark Murphy, reached the organization's mandatory retirement age of 70. And for those people who don't know Ed Policy, but think they know, that name sounds familiar. It's Carmen Policy son. Carmen ran the 49ers for a long time, made a lot of bold moves out there. You know, moved on from Bill Walsh, moved on from Joe Montana. And when we met with Ed Policy in earlier this summer for the first time, he talked about how, you know, he watched his dad make these bold moves that almost always, not always, but almost always turned out for the better at the back end of it. And I don't know if that Policy is necessarily, you know, encouraging them to be more aggressive or those guys just feel like they can be more aggressive with this type of leadership.

Dan Patrick (40:25)

Great to talk to you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining us as always, Rob.

Todd Archer (40:28)

You got it, Dan. We'll be seeing you.

Dan Patrick (40:30)

Rob Demonski. He's been covering the packers since 1997. Yeah, I was told that yesterday about Carmen Policy's son, because Carmen policy ran the 49ers and they made big swings, they made trades. They weren't afraid you know, you're bringing in Steve Young. They weren't afraid to let Joe Montana go or Bill Walsh go. And you gotta have. That's where it goes back to being indecisive. Packers were not. We're taking a wide receiver first round. We're going to make a big swing for Micah Parsons. Whereas the Cowboys have been indecisive. You know, they were indecisive with Dak leading up to that, you know, first Sunday in the NFL season where, hey, we agreed to this contract. They were indecisive about Micah Parsons. Unless they, you can say they were decisive. They decided that back in March that they weren't going to sign him. That was the final offer. Okay, but then carry it on through. And if you're the Cowboys, why stop here? Why not see if somebody wants CD Lamb? Why not say to the Rams, hey, would you like Dak Prescott? Can we have Matthew Stafford? And you're going to get Matthew Stafford for one year. I mean, I'm just throwing out stuff. You're not beating the Eagles. How are you going to beat the Eagles? Well, stockpile draft picks, just like you did with the Herschel Walker deal. Like, if you're all in on, we're not going to pay. We're going to get draft picks. You're either in or out. And that would be the only thing I would say. If you're going to do something, then I would say keep doing something. But they won't, because Jerry still needs shiny objects. There. There have to be guys you want to come out and see. CD Lamb, Dak Prescott, Diggs. Okay, but I mean, at what point do you say, and then you got a rookie coach like, oh, my God, but is Ed Werder the great reporter who's been there for, I don't know how long? Ed's been there for 30 years. He just sent a tweet. You do not trade Micah Parsons not a week before the season opener and never to the Packers. Yep, he's right. But I know that they were trying. Okay, the leverage that I was told this. I'm allowed to say this. I. I had two conversations off the record yesterday, and. Which doesn't help me in being a radio host, but it did kind of help me understand sort of what was going on. But, yeah, they were gonna. Their leverage was, we're gonna make you pay play on that fifth year option, and then we're gonna franchise you. And they were just trying to get him to agree to the initial agreement because Jerry was all about loyalty. We shook on this and we were going to pay him, you know, $40.5 million a season or whatever it was. And Micah Parsons said, I don't have my agent here. I'm not agreeing to anything. There's no contract here. And then all of a sudden you realize, micah, don't negotiate. Look at what these contracts are going to be for. Guys at your position. You're going to be able to get $45 million. It turns out he gets 47. That's how this thing's happened. I think we got an agreement. Sort of let me bring in my agent. And then all of a sudden the agent's probably like, no, no, don't do this. This is what we're going to make. Trust me on this. And then Jerry probably never forgave Micah Parsons for, you know, reneging on, you know, their agreement because I bought the Cowboys with a handshake agreement. All right, times have changed.

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Dan Patrick (48:53)

You get your podcasts. Columbia in case you're wondering, the Eagles Cowboys betting line opening night next Thursday. Seven and a half. Prior to the Micah Parsons deal, it was seven and a half. I guess the bookies, the odds makers didn't think he was going to play or if he did, how much he would play and would it even have an impact here. So it's stayed the same at 7 1/2. 8773 DP show email address DP danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show he is Vince Young, former Texas quarterback and won a national championship back in O5, beating USC Heisman Trophy runner up and has a podcast. It's called the Stampede, the Texas Longhorns. It's a weekly show. It's Vince, former coach Mack Brown and stories that you haven't heard before. Go to the stampedeut.com to subscribe. There he is, Vince Young joining us on the program. Can you relate to the pressure that Arch Manning is going to face coming up this season?

Vince Young (50:01)

Yes, a lot of it. But he's, he's ready for it. He's ready for it. He's definitely ready for it.

Dan Patrick (50:09)

Okay, what do you see in him so far? Because it's been a small sample size that leads you to believe he's ready for this?

Vince Young (50:18)

Well, just being around him, the way he carries himself, he has that I respect you kind of attitude, character, like it's about my teammates. He, he has fun. He's goofy, he's silly. He even challenged me one day. I was throwing the ball to my son on the football field and he was like, Vy do you still got it?

Todd Archer (50:41)

I was like, what?

Vince Young (50:43)

Good one, good one. So that type of things right there just to show me what type of person he is. And you know, a lot of people don't understand when you have two uncles And a dad that's in your family that went through it all, and you was a kid just sitting behind the scenes, watching it and learning it, even getting small words from your uncle and dad, you know, that resonates for you as you get older as a kid. So you can see it in him, and I can feel it, too, when he talks and how you carry yourself.

Dan Patrick (51:12)

How successful were you against Eli and Peyton?

Vince Young (51:17)

Pretty, pretty successful. I mean, me and Peyton went at it because we had to play him twice. Twice a year. And, yeah, I think I'm undefeated against Eli. I got Eli a couple times.

Dan Patrick (51:29)

Okay.

Vince Young (51:30)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (51:32)

But when you see Peyton, do you see Arch more like Eli or Peyton or neither?

Vince Young (51:38)

Neither. You know, I feel like he has the traits. I think he has that big head like his uncle.

Dan Patrick (51:48)

But he doesn't run like his uncles.

Vince Young (51:49)

He don't run like his uncle. And I feel like he has his own swag. I Has his own character. Especially with this generation. You can tell with this generation, these guys, you know, they have a. They have a little bit more fun with their teeth. Teammates and. Which is a good thing because of the fact, like, in order to win on the level that he's on at Texas, you got to have a little bit more chemistry and more character with your guys. And you can see that with the whole entire Texas team.

Dan Patrick (52:17)

If you ran a 40 against Arch, who's winning?

Vince Young (52:21)

He got me right now.

Dan Patrick (52:22)

He does.

Vince Young (52:23)

Unless he gave me a week or two to warm up and it take that long for me to warm up right now.

Dan Patrick (52:28)

But you could run a 40. And four, six.

Vince Young (52:30)

I can get it by in four, six. Not just coming out the stands or something like that. No, I won't get it, but if they give me like a month.

Dan Patrick (52:39)

Yeah.

Vince Young (52:40)

Give me a hot tub and some cold tubs and stuff like that, then. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (52:45)

What highlight comes to mind when you think of your career? Looking back, what's. What's the one highlight you want fans to remember?

Vince Young (52:53)

Oh, man. My favorite is I graduated, you know.

Dan Patrick (52:56)

Oh, cool.

Vince Young (52:57)

A lot of people didn't in my neighborhoods and my peers and the doubters didn't think that I was going to finish with that piece of paper. So that's one of my major highlights for my whole entire family because I was the first to graduate, and then I set the tone for my kids as well to go and get a degree as well.

Dan Patrick (53:18)

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Vince Young (53:48)

Play is menu two. So it's something we ran just about all the time. It was one of the top plays that we ran that I felt like a lot of people couldn't stop. And we was very successful in it, percentage wise. And before we left Austin, Coach Brown and coach Greg Davis, offensive coordinator at the time, was, if the game was on the line, what play, what play would you call him? And me being who I am is quarterback sneak. You know, I want the ball in my hands. And you know coaches, this is why coaches coach and players play. They was like, why wouldn't we just call it a pass play? And it gives you both options. And sure enough, it happened just how we talked about it before we left Austin.

Dan Patrick (54:27)

It felt like there they had a spy, but the spy wasn't fast enough to catch you.

Vince Young (54:33)

Well, first of all, you know, they ran that blitz a couple times, that strong, strong blitz a couple times. And all our guys did was stay at home, did what they supposed to do. And then Selvin Young did what he's supposed to do. If there's nobody there, run your route. And he ran his route to the point that he got Rucker to focus on him just enough for me to take off with the ball. So, you know, a lot of people give me a lot of credit for that play, but I give a lot of credit to my old line and Sylvan Young for doing everybody doing their job. And, you know, I can find that, that spy guy for me.

Dan Patrick (55:07)

Best player you played against?

Vince Young (55:10)

Best player. And this in college or pros, just period, period. Oh, man, it's a couple of names out there. Ed Reed, man, A.J.

Todd Archer (55:25)

Hawk.

Vince Young (55:25)

That Ohio State game that was on my butt the whole time. Troy Palomala. Unbelievable player. Big Harrison. Pittsburgh Steelers D line, man, it's a long list.

Dan Patrick (55:41)

James Harrison. Is he crazy?

Vince Young (55:44)

Yeah, he dumped me. I don't know if I remember that. He. He body slapped my butt in that game.

Dan Patrick (55:51)

Did you say anything?

Vince Young (55:53)

I was pretty pissed. I didn't say nothing to him. I was pretty pissed at the referees for allowing it to happen.

Dan Patrick (56:00)

It looked like wwe. I'm looking.

Vince Young (56:02)

Exactly. So I was like, man, I need to get my weight up. I need some more potatoes. He just made that look so easy.

Dan Patrick (56:10)

Did you ever think about asking for Heisman when Reggie Bush had it taken away?

Vince Young (56:17)

No, they tried to give it to me, but, you know, I didn't want to take it because of the fact that he won it fair and square. So, you know, Reggie was a dynamic player, and he's a great individual character guy that. I appreciate even that to this day when we have opportunity to come together and do things together. He's just a. A fun person and. And he won a fair square because.

Dan Patrick (56:38)

He wanted on the field, is what you're saying.

Vince Young (56:40)

He definitely wanted on the field for sure.

Dan Patrick (56:42)

Yeah.

Vince Young (56:43)

If the Heisman was probably after, then I probably should. I think we probably would have. They would have gave it to me, but he earned it fair and square, for sure.

Dan Patrick (56:52)

But you didn't have a chip on your shoulder going into the national title game.

Vince Young (56:56)

Yeah, I was pissed off a little bit. I was definitely upset because I wanted to bring that Heisman back to Austin because, you know, Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams wanted. You know, a lot of people don't understand that the Heisman Trophy is not just an individual accolade, is actually a team award. So I really wanted to bring that back home to Austin and then. So we can have three Heisman Trophies at the University of Texas.

Dan Patrick (57:20)

Yeah, but you got the national title, and you'd rather have a national title than a Heisman.

Vince Young (57:24)

Yeah, and we needed that because I think it was 37 years before we had a championship. So we definitely need to bring that trophy back to Austin, Texas, and the state of Texas.

Dan Patrick (57:34)

Is Matthew McConaughey ever suggested to put you in a movie?

Vince Young (57:39)

I haven't tapped him on his shoulder yet about that yet, but it's coming.

Dan Patrick (57:43)

Oh, it is.

Vince Young (57:45)

I will. Some things that I. That's working underneath the radar. But, you know, for him to mentor Bijan right now, I thought that was pretty cool because Bijan wants to get into acting when he's done playing and, well, while he's playing and for him to. For Matthew to give him guidance on that, you know, I should have took advantage of that a long time ago, but, you know, I'm happy that he's doing that for a lot of the, you know, young athletes out there that want to get probably involved with. In the movies.

Dan Patrick (58:16)

You on the sidelines on Saturday?

Vince Young (58:19)

Oh, yeah. I don't too much let my Longhorn go too many places without me now.

Dan Patrick (58:26)

Does Sarkeesian. Has he ever asked you for advice?

Vince Young (58:30)

I spoke to the team before, you know, kind of gave. Give them, you know, things that they should work on, things that they should focus on understanding the tradition of The University of Texas, you know, things like that. You know, I didn't enjoy doing that, but most time I don't, I don't baller coach. I just like being around him. He's a great coach, pretty good coach. He's down to earth. You know, I like talking to him about the USC games and talking football. You know, he played at byu. Quarterback. You know, we, we kind of in the same position because we played in the same, you know, same, the same position. So it's always cool to be around Coach Stark.

Dan Patrick (59:07)

And Sark was there at USC when you won the national title.

Vince Young (59:10)

Yeah. So, you know, we had to ask him like, why did you, why you didn't have Reggie Bush in the game on that, that play? So everybody wanted to know that. So that was the first question I had to ask when I first met him. I love it when he came to Texas and you know, became the head coach at the University of Texas.

Dan Patrick (59:26)

Well, have fun in Columbus. Hopefully they treat you nice and good luck with the podcast, Vince.

Vince Young (59:32)

Yeah, hope. Hopefully they'll treat me like you said. It's gonna be really wild out there. But thanks, man. I'm glad to have opportunity to chat with you. It's good to see you.

Dan Patrick (59:40)

That's Vince Young, former Texas quarterback. He was the 06 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year, two time Pro bowl quarterback as well. I'm hearing from USC fans, why do you have Vince Young on? I go, why are you so sensitive? I mean, I have Matt Leiner on. Well, I have Lindale White on if you want to.

Todd Archer (60:02)

Yes, Todd, we've had Sanchez, Reggie Bush. We've had plenty of USC Kaiser.

Dan Patrick (60:05)

I know, but Vince Young ran in the touchdown and they lost the national.

Todd Archer (60:09)

They'll have to get over it. It was 2005.

Dan Patrick (60:11)

Oh, coming from you getting over something.

Todd Archer (60:14)

Like 39, 20, 42, 10 and 55. 10 Super Bowls.

Dan Patrick (60:18)

The Stampede podcast, the Texas Longhorns with Vince and Mack Brown. You can go to the stampede UT.com to subscribe. Let's see. Deanna and Albuquerque. Hi, Deanna. Hello. Hi. I'd like to weigh in for my husband Ryan at 64235. He's a die hard fan and been listening to y' all forever. And it's his birthday today and his name is Ryan. Ryan. Okay, here we go. Three, two. What? Paul?

Todd Archer (60:55)

Oh, just getting the crescendo.

Dan Patrick (60:56)

Oh, you were, oh, you were being the conductor there. You had your hands up. I thought I was like a stop sign there. Happy birthday.

Todd Archer (61:07)

Happy birthday.

Dan Patrick (61:12)

That was awesome, guys. You know make his, his day, his week. Huge fan. And he says I remind him of Fritzi. He calls me a little Fritzy. I assume that's a compliment. That's not.

Todd Archer (61:24)

It's unfortunate.

Dan Patrick (61:25)

That is not. Oh, yes, I see. Yes. Thank you, though. You did it. You did your job, Deanna. But have. Have a great weekend. Thanks for joining us. Let's see. Jacob in Oklahoma. Hi, Jake. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. First time caller, long time listener. 1.7 meters, 80 kilograms. Okay. And it's very hard, my muscles at least. Of course. Todd, I don't think you can talk about getting over anything. You just celebrated your five year anniversary with the bagel incident. So I don't know if that's really something you should be doing. You kind of touched on it. But Micah Parsons, I've seen him a couple times in person and I've kind of been underwhelmed. It just seems like his effort is kind of hit or miss. I know Jerry should have signed Micah a long time ago, but with 47 middle gear, I just, I kind of got to defend Jerry a little bit. I mean, it's not like he was going to win anything going forward. He's probably still not going to. And look, Jacob, I understand that. I think he got to a point where he was too expensive and there was some, you know, kind of leftover scar tissue. But do it in March. If you're going to hold a grudge against him because he didn't agree to that deal. That was a handshake agreement, then trade him. If you're going to do something for the betterment of the franchise, then do it back then that way you can bring in other teams. Everybody's got their draft picks. Micah Parsons is available. Who come on down. Who's interested? But thank you for the phone call. Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.

Todd Archer (63:25)

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