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Dan Patrick
The Cavs beat the Pistons as Detroit melts down in the final two and a half minutes. They go into overtime, Cavaliers up 3, 2 in the series and a chance to close things out. And if you're looking at the point spreads, it's been three and a half now. It was four and a half last night. Pistons will be three and a half point underdogs on Friday in Cleveland and the spurs four and a half point Favorites Friday in Minnesota. So no basketball coming up tonight. The NBA wisely stepping aside because of the NFL schedule release. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it feels like when the NFL decides to roll something out, get out of the way and some of these matchups. Look, we know the schedules for these teams. We don't know when they're going to be playing somebody. Is it going to be over Thanksgiving, going to be over Christmas, is it going to be overseas? So you kind of have an idea of, okay, that's our schedule. Those are the games we're going to be playing. But you know, packers against the Rams on Thanksgiving Eve. Boy, that's tasty. Thanksgiving, Bears, Lions, Eagles, Cowboys, Chiefs in the Bills. Then you get a Black Friday, you get Denver against the Steelers. Who has it better than the NFL? Nobody. Paula, do you have last year's slate of games around Thanksgiving?
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Paulie
Yeah, the Thanksgiving Day early game was Packers, Lions, then it was Chiefs, Cowboys at 430. And that did a gigantic number. I mean, I think an all time number. The late game, the primetime game was
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Dan Patrick
Bengals, Ravens, which thought that was going to be a big game. Yeah, it turned out to be a dud. Like the Eagles against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. It's going to do a monster rating. That's why whatever you say about the Cowboys, that not winning, not going back to a Super bowl, not really competing at a high level, they still bring in eyeballs. The NFC east, you bring in eyeballs. Eagles, Giants, Cowboys. And you know, that's where the Cowboys, you know, stack up against any team in any sport when it comes to must see tv because you're either tuning in because your dad was a Cowboy fan, therefore you inherited that fandom, or maybe your grandfather was and then your dad was when they were really good. And they haven't been that good for 30 years now. But you're still, you're kind of caught up in the. Why did you do this to me, dad? We have a lot of fans who. You inherit that fandom. Like, why am I a Jets fan? Well, because I was and your grandfather was as well. And we remember when Joe Namath won a Super Bowl. That's a long time ago, dad. Yep. Well, blame your grandfather. Yes.
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Marvin
Marvin, are you putting the Cowboys in the same category as the Jets?
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Dan Patrick
No.
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Marvin
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
No. I'm just saying you inherit the fandom, sometimes you get the baton. And if you're a Jets fan, maybe your grandfather was a Jets fan and they won a Super bowl and then your dad became a Jets fan and now you're a Jets fan, sometimes it's child abuse. When you think about why. Why did you do that to me? Yes, Marvin.
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Marvin
But as far as being a Cowboys fan, and I'm a 49ers fan, so I do not like the Cowboys at all, but I'm not sure if that's child abuse. They've been really good. They've had great playoff, not playoff success, regular season success, but have just, you know, cracked the bed in the playoffs.
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Dan Patrick
Wait a minute. It's a 33 year drought for America's
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Marvin
team, but I'm talking about not being competitive at all.
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Dan Patrick
Okay? I mean, they're, they tease you sometimes in the regular season and then they get into a playoff game at home against Green Bay and you go, what just happened here?
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Marvin
So the Cowboys are the big tees.
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Dan Patrick
They. They are big tees. Yes.
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Dylan
Dylan, if you inherited being a Jets fan, I wouldn't fault you for jumping ship. There's a few teams out there where I'm like, I feel like you're allowed to move along at some point if you so choose.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah, it should be. But I find that more younger fans, they might root for a player. You know, it's Mahomes can make you a Chiefs fan or you're just a Mahomes fan. And it's more individualized because of fantasy football. It feels like. So when you root, when you're watching a game, you might be rooting for your team, but you're also rooting for your other team, your fantasy team. Yes, Todd.
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Todd
And when you're playing video games, you could put any player on any team. It's also a lot less team, more. I'm going to create this player or put this guy on this squad. So it's totally player driven.
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Dan Patrick
And there was a move yesterday that kind of surprised me and Devon Hn, who's a really good running back, got four years, $64 million. And I was wondering, are you gonna now he's really good and he's worth the money because he can run and catch. But if I'm Miami, I kind of go all in tank and just, I, I wouldn't have brought in Malik Willis just to kind of get me through another year. I would just say, hey, Quinn Ewers, why don't you be the quarterback? And then maybe we'll be in the running for a true franchise quarterback next year. And maybe maybe you get Arch Manning or one of these other quarterbacks expected to go in the first round. And there are probably five or six quarterbacks who are projected but if I'm giving a chan, like I don't want to end up in six win land, I want to be like three and four wins. So. All right, we got some younger players we're trying to develop and now we're going to get a chance to get a really good quarterback. Because I've come to the conclusion if I'm the Steelers, I have to walk away from Aaron Rodgers. Now I'm looking at a business perspective here because what are we going to win? We're not the best team in our own division, maybe not the second best team in our own division. And are we going to be back here next year at 9 and 8 and kicking the can down the road? As much as I want to see Rogers play again, if I'm Pittsburgh, I think I have to just come to the conclusion, why don't we try a different approach here because we haven't been able to replace Ben Roethlisberger and here we are with Rodgers. You're not sure, is he going to. I want to know. Your heart is in it. Like I want Aaron Rodgers to be there in the off season. I'm just surprised that the Steelers as an organization are waiting for Aaron Rogers again. I'd walk away, I'd be like, no, you know, we want you to be here, we want you to want to play. And maybe you just turn it over to Will Howard and just say, hey, let's see what we have with this kid. And maybe he's just a backup, but maybe we get into a better position for the next 10 years instead of next year at this time we're probably going to be coming off a 9 and 8 season, maybe a first round exit. Okay, you're not going, you know, you, you're always going to be stuck in neutral. It's going to be, this is as far as we go now. Do we change it up at some point? I wouldn't be waiting for a 41 year old quarterback to come back and decide what we're going to do as a team moving forward here. And that brings me to LeBron James, because if I'm the Lakers, I want to be respectful to LeBron. But I also have to look at this as a business. I would move on from LeBron. I would say, you know what, maybe we could use that 60 million someplace else. We have to resign Austin Reeves, that's a big ticket item. And maybe we go out, get someone like as I've been saying, Isaiah Hartenstein, who's just a lunch pail guy, he's Going to be there, play hard every single night and resemble what a center should look like and act like in the NBA. But I don't try to solve everything right now because you're not going to be better than okc. You're not going to be better than the Spurs. I want to capitalize on, okay, LeBron's farewell tour. And if that's your approach, unlike with Kobe, it was a farewell tour. It felt like for the last couple of years, LeBron, you're going to make the playoffs, but are you going to, like the Lakers aren't satisfied with the second round exit? You can't go away. We made the playoffs and we won 55 games and we lost in this second round. I'd walk away. I would say to LeBron the only, the only way I would bring him back, and I want to see him play again. I just have to look at this from a standpoint of the organization, not my feelings for LeBron because he's surpassed every milestone. So there's nothing that you go, oh, you know, come to this game, because if he scores this many points or has this many rebounds or he wins this game, I have to move on because this is Lucas team. And as great as LeBron was sacrificed, played well as the third wheel, carried them, you know, the last couple of weeks of the regular season, carry them in the playoffs as well. But I have to be pragmatic about this and say, are we better in the long run run here, the long haul, than one more year? Now they're in a better position, it feels like, than the Steelers are. But here you are, you're going to be waiting for LeBron. What are you going to play? Pay him? That's commensurate to being one of the greatest players of all time. The farewell tour. We hear the Lakers, you're the show in town. People are still going to come out to your games. So I don't know how you benefit financially. And if you want him to come back, you say, all right, come back. We're going to invest in you for one year. There was a story, Dave McMenaman, of the mothership, and he had a report that LeBron was upset because he didn't get the game ball for when he surpassed Kareem Abdul Jabar for most games or most victories. I don't even know what the milestone was.
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Todd
Most wins in the history by any player, okay, in the NBA.
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Dan Patrick
But Rob Pelinka, the GM, gave the game ball to JJ Redick, who won his 100th career game. So Dave McMenamin had this little scoopage. I don't know how this gets out, unless LeBron wants this to get out, because, you know, he's buddy Buddy with Dave McMenamin. And does he say, hey, you know how petty these MFers are? You know, they did this.
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Jason
Well.
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Dan Patrick
Then you say, well, did they draft your son? Didn't they bring in Russell Westbrook because you wanted him? Didn't they hire your podcast partner, JJ Redick? I mean, they kind of have done some things for you here. And I thought, how petty can this be? I mean, really, is this a real story? And maybe it's just kind of a window into the relationship he may have with the front office. He loves J.J. redick. Well, he should, because that's the guy. He wanted to be his coach. But I got to move on at some point and it's really difficult. I mean, look back with the Chicago Bulls. Could have run it back one more year with Michael Jordan and Scotty, and front office decided, nope, going to break it up. Imagine that. They started a rebuild, they had everybody there, they just had to pay everybody. And all of a sudden the Tim Floyd era, era and error started. Yes. So at some point now, that to me was malpractice, what they did. But if I'm looking at what the Lakers should do and what the Steelers should do, I gotta move on. I can't be stuck in this. Well, one more year and then we'll get to this point next year. And what are we going to be saying? The Steelers could be saying, you know, Aaron played pretty well. Okay, so what are you going to do? Well, we have the 19th pick in the draft. Okay. And then the Lakers bow out in the second round. You know, LeBron played pretty well for a 42 year old. What are you going to do? At some point you have to look at this and say, it's more than just year to year. This is more of a window of where are we going to be in three years, five years? And knowing that okc, they are deep and they are young and those guys are signed up. And then you got the spurs, they're deep and they're young and you've got them signed up. So that's where you have to look at this and go, yeah, come to think of it, it'd be nice to see. I think the Laker Fans don't love LeBron. They love having LeBron. And there's a big difference in that. Like, he's not beloved because he's not one of your own and he did come there and you got a championship in the bubble. But other than that, okay, you don't owe him anything. You've given him a lot and you can say that he reciprocated, but I can't be waiting around and he can still play at a high level. But, and maybe that's part of the problem. I know that I'm getting, you know, 21, 8 and 7 from him next year. If he was really on the decline, then it would be really easy to say, hey, you know, some nice, nice parting gifts for you. We'll keep we'll keep Bronnie on the roster for an extra year. How's that? We'll do that for you when you leave.
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Dan Patrick
No basketball tonight. NBA taking the night off to allow the NFL center stage. That's very nice of the NBA to do that. It'll be the Pistons, three and a half point underdogs Friday against Cleveland. The spurs are four and a half point favorites against Minnesota on Friday at the end of regulation. There was a play with about maybe two seconds to go. One second to go. Jared Allen bumped to Sar Thompson and knocked him to the ground and I thought that it if they were both going for the ball then I would say okay, play on, let's go into overtime. But Thompson is clearly bumped from behind by Jared Allen, so therefore I have to call it I know there's one second to go, but I, I have to call it now. I'm sure the NBA is going to say, well, he's 26ft away from the basket. He's not really in a scoring position. I understand that, but it's an accidental trip. It's still a trip. If I accidentally foul you, they still call a foul on me. And I thought that it was. It was not a no call in my opinion because I thought Allen is behind Thompson. If they're both side by side, then I'm okay with that. But I was not okay with what I saw. Here is J.B. bickerstaff, the Pistons head coach. Did they give you a reason why
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Todd
there was no foul call on his, on Jared Allen on that trip?
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Dan Patrick
He found a.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
Sir, it's that. I mean, clear. He trips him when he's going for a loose ball in the game situation. You know that that's tough.
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Dan Patrick
It's not a debate, in my opinion, because he does trip him. I don't care if their feet get tangled up. Did you trip him? Yes, accidentally. Okay. But I'll still call foul. If that's in the first quarter, they're calling it. I don't like games to end on, you know, plays that I don't think really were going to be scoring plays or impactful plays. But this is the playoffs and you did trip him and there is time on the clock and I have to call it. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
And Thompson made a great steal on the play. He should be rewarded. Not like you said, it wasn't a 5050 play. He got tripped from behind. You call it. He goes and shoots in the bonus and they probably steal it.
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Dan Patrick
And I don't want to hear this. And I've already heard analysts say, well, you were up nine with three minutes to go. Okay. Yes, we were. And we allowed Cleveland to come back. But was that a foul? How about we take away. We're up nine with three minutes to go and just say, just look at that play. Don't factor in. Oh, you guys blew a nine point lead. Yes. I mean, they, they went out of their way to allow Cleveland to win this game. They really did. But that to me was a foul. Whether it was accidental or not. Yes.
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Dylan
Dylan, there's some games too where the moment it heads to overtime, you're like, I know exactly how this is going to end. The momentum has completely shifted. And you're like, if you're the Pistons there, you're like, no.
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Dan Patrick
And I always love inside the NBA because they Give you great analysis. I mean, where else can you get this analysis from? Charles Barkley talking about the Cavaliers, Max Stru.
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Marvin
I'm thinking what everybody.
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Dan Patrick
That's a pretty man.
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Stan Van Gundy
I don't think everybody.
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Dan Patrick
Can I ask you a question?
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Stan Van Gundy
Yes, you can. What are you attracted to about him?
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Dan Patrick
I'm not attracted to him, but I can.
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Stan Van Gundy
You said he's attractive, He's a good looking man. What are you attracted about? His good looks? His face. His face.
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Marvin
His face.
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Dan Patrick
He's a good looking man. Okay. He's got his bandana headband on, his hair is back. He's got these bright blue or green eyes, he's got his beard on. Paulie's watching the game with his wife. And his wife, when she sees Max SC like, who's that?
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Paulie
I told you that in confidence.
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Dan Patrick
Oops.
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Paulie
My wife hasn't watched 10 minutes of the NBA in 10 years. And I'm like, let's watch the end of this game. It's really tight. She's quiet, she's watching. She doesn't know Donovan Mitchell. And all of a sudden, Max Struz hits a three. She goes, who's that? And. And she said it like that.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah. Now imagine you're watching euphoria and then you say, who's that? Then you're gonna get in trouble. But Max Struse, who's that? All right, Dylan, what's the poll question? For the first hour of this program?
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Dylan
We have a few Dan off our earlier topic. What would be the smarter decision? The Lakers move on from LeBron or the Steelers move on from Aaron Rodgers?
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Dan Patrick
Ooh, okay, well, I think the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers because I gotta look at what is the ceiling here, what's the floor here? And you got smoked in the playoffs. Are we going to go through this again? Like, Steeler fans want and deserve better than this. But it feels like you're kind of. You kind of know how this is going to go as scripted. With LeBron, it's a little bit tougher to say goodbye because he plays at a higher level. But I mean, I, I'd walk away. I'd let both guys go. Yes, Dill, it is funny when you
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Dylan
look at the Steelers, it's like on an island. If you just heard, okay, the last two years they've drafted the quarterback from Ohio State and the quarterback from Penn State. You'd be like, one of those guys. Got to be pretty good. And no one feels that way at all. Drew Allers being deprogrammed.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I saw that. Can you imagine if you were his quarterbacks coach at Penn State and everything that you taught him, the Steelers say we have to undo.
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Dylan
It's like the Met, they take the men in black wand and just put it up to him go.
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Dan Patrick
But Drew Aller, who was pretty hot at the beginning of last season, it was like, okay, this guy is going to be a first round draft pick. It feels like there's always 10 quarterbacks now who may could be first round draft picks. And then we get to the draft and then we have two first round draft picks at the most important position in all the sports. But next year, next year you got what everybody considers one of the better quarterback drafts in recent memory. Yes, Marvin.
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Marvin
The worst thing that happens to quarterbacks is they play great. Their college freshman year and their sophomore year. Christian Hackenberg, oh man, he's the number one pick in the draft. But then they have to keep playing for three and four years and then they get exposed.
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Dan Patrick
Yep, that's what happens when I would be leaving after my third year. Yes, Dylan, last year Drew Aller had
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Dylan
like the third or fourth best odds to go number one overall. Preseason that changed quickly.
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Dan Patrick
But if I'm Pittsburgh, I, I, I know it might hurt one year, but do I want to rip the bandage off and then try to move forward and maybe find our quarterback? I mean, Aaron Rodgers is one more year maybe. It seems like LeBron might play two years just to prove that. I saw where Steph Curry, I think wants to play three more years. He wants to play till he's 40, God bless him if you can do it. But if I'm the Lakers, are we going to be better next year? How much better with LeBron and how much better without him moving forward? Because I don't think you'll be a better team next year because LeBron played really well. But I just think you got to look bigger picture here and I don't want to player hold the franchise hostage. And if it feels like you've done everything that you can possibly do for LeBron and he's not happy or he has problems with some people in the front office, do we move on because of that? Like, I don't want to be petty because it seems like LeBron might be petty. You got to be grown ups here with your decisions moving forward.
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Dylan
Yeah, Dylan, it's funny that LeBron's this is now LeBron's longest tenure on a team and you don't really like when you just split second think about him. I associated more with the Cavs in the Heat still than the Lakers.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. But his critics though, the bubble championship, you know, they, they never call it just an NBA championship. It's a bubble championship.
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Dylan
Mickey Mouse.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Like you in the shadows of Mickey Mouse in Orlando. Yes, Paul.
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Paulie
That's always bothered me because that's kind of unfair to the Lakers to criticize the bubble championship. They would have had home court advantage in the playoffs. So all those games were neutral site.
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Todd
That.
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Paulie
That's actually makes that tougher to win the bubble championship.
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Dan Patrick
Jason in Detroit. Hi, Jason. What's on your mind?
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Merle
Hi.
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Jason
Thanks for having my. Take my call. I appreciate it. I just wanted to kind of comment a little bit about what you're just talking about with the officiating. It's not for me, it's not even just Detroit. It's just like a league wide. I mean, when you see the refs, it's like you can tell they don't, they just don't want to call that foul. Then what are we doing? You know, at that point, like I said, it's not just Detroit. It's like a league wide thing. It's like you can they put the SGA push up on the promo for the. The road to the finals on ABC and ESPN? It's just like, what are that.
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Andrew
It's.
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Jason
I'm 49. I played basketball. I played in a pro am league against Lindsey Hunter, Irano, a bunch of other like CBA guys and other stuff like that. I wanted to play in the NBA. I'm now like, this is the first time ever in my life I'm just like leaving the house. Like when the games come on, I'm like, I don't even want to watch them. And it's like the only thing that can be talked about is the refereeing. It's like the games are just like secondary at this point.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, well, sorry to hear that, Jason, but you got to call that. I wonder if that's SGA and he gets knocked down or LeBron gets knocked down or Wemby gets like. I hate thinking that, but I do think that. I mean, I'm watching old clips of NBA action from the 80s in my free time and you'll see Larry Bird comes around a screen, hits a shot, and then they call foul. And it looked like the official was looking around to say, who am I going to pin this on? Because Larry Bird did not get fouled on the play. And it's one of those where you actually hear the players saying, that's BS and it was. But you're thinking why do we let the best players get the calls? They're already the best players. But last night, that should have been called, like it or not, you know, playoff game. It's in the final seconds of the game, regulation. I gotta call it. That's all. Gotta call it. It's like, oh, you know, the officials, they put their whistles away when it's in the final two minutes of a football game and you don't want to call. Well, if I'm a defensive player, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna hold on to you. And you see it. It's egregious sometimes where they're just grabbing because they're like, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. That's what Seattle, the Legion of Boom did. They're like. They're not calling pass interference on every play, so why don't we hold on every single play. And they were correct.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, that non call last night, though, it's in Detroit. I looked at it again. The ref is right there on top of the play. He's direct view, not shielded at all. That's where we're calling. Nothing to end this game.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, and he had a great angle, and I think that's where. Who is it? Tony Brothers is. Was he the official last night? Now, I don't know if he was the one who was not making the call, but I think he spoke afterwards. But it was like, oh, you know, they're both kind of jostling, you know. No, it felt like Thompson had a step on Jared Allen and he, you know, was going after the ball. It was a play. So Tony Brothers was on the call or non call last night. Let's see. Andrew in Atlanta. Good morning, Andrew. What's on your mind?
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Andrew
Hey, Dan, you. You're kind enough to do a big tease to the main stage. So I was driving by Magic City yesterday into work and was trying to share that clip with my son, and he started asking questions about the main stage. So I was gonna see if I could do a. Maybe a redo so I could have a better clip to share with him and not have as many questions. Is that okay?
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Dan Patrick
Porsche to the main stage. Porsche to the main stage.
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Andrew
No main stages here. I just wanted to say first time, long time. 62300ish. Wanted to see, for your farewell tour, is there a way to get any clips or recordings of your early shows from the attic? And if there's a possibility to shoot a few shows from the attic with the current team? Go ahead.
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Dan Patrick
The Attic is closed for Business took everything out of there they were. There were two bedrooms up there that we converted into my side of the studio and the Danette side of the studio. But we've since taken out the big glass partition in there, all the equipment out of there. And you'd never know that we hosted a national radio show from the attic. Good times. I think everybody had a good time except for Todd and.
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Todd
Why do you say that?
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Dan Patrick
You had your little desk and it was, you know, cramped quarters. Seaton and Paulie were up front. There's three flights of stairs you had to go into every day. Up.
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Todd
I did like the smell of breakfast.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah.
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Todd
Coming from down.
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Dan Patrick
I know you guys would come in and my wife's getting the kids off to school. Let's see. Merle in Ohio. Hi, Meryl.
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Merle
Hey, good morning, Dan. Thanks for the opportunity.
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Jason
Long time.
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Merle
First time. Appreciate you guys a great deal. I want to go back to a conversation from the top of the show. I think Dylan made a comment about this last week of kind of NFL fandom and you're born into it and how to let your child find their own way. Grew up in Youngstown, Ohio, just up the road. Came to Columbus to go to Ohio State. But you know, in Youngstown you've got halfway to Pittsburgh, halfway to Cleveland, and you've also got the 49ers as an option because of the departalo and York families there. My dad was a Browns fan, so I was a Browns fan. That's, you know, not an easy road to hoe between the team moving to Baltimore and just being kind of generally bad for a long time. And now everything that comes along with Jimmy Haslam and the ownership mess in Cleveland now. So my daughter, a few years ago, she's five now, so she would have been three then. We're driving through those tunnels coming into downtown Pittsburgh, beautiful city. And we were going to a Pirates game the next day. The Steelers had a home preseason game. So the lights were on over at Hines Field and she saw the diamond logo and as any three year old girl would do, said, I like that team because they've got diamonds. And she stuck with the Steelers. Since then, I've not tried to force her to, you know, choose the Browns because to your point, Dan, that's kind of an abusive thing to do to a child. So she's a Steelers fan. And thanks to my wife finding one of those Rob Lowe NFL hats, I've gone full free agency. And I'll tell you, Sundays are a whole lot more fun now without the brown all Right.
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Dan Patrick
Well, thank you. Thank you for that. I let my son pick whoever he wanted to pick. It didn't matter to me. And he's a Packer fan. He likes the Red Sox, think he likes the Bruins, hockey. And I'm like, pick whoever you want, but whoever you pick, stay with. And I've told the story. When he was 12, he told me he's a Red Sox fan. And so I went out and got him some gear. He wore the gear. He had a jacket, he had a hat. He wore it to school first day and he ran into some Yankee fans at the school and they took the hat, put it in a urinal and they peed on it. And so that's when I had to kind of explain to my wife what fandom is because she's not a sports fan. She, she likes in the individual things like running a marathon or canoeing or something like that. And, and she's like, she, we should go to the school and complain. I said no, hun, this is the rivalry that. Well, they can't do that. I said no, they can't. But they did. And it's part of the rivalry. It's okay. I said, as long as you're not getting into a fight. And they just took his hat. I said, I'll get him another hat and then you wear it. See what happens. Yes.
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Marvin
Marvin, you didn't put him in boxing lessons or anything? You take, take my son's hat off?
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Dan Patrick
No, but my wife wanted me to go and I said no, that's the worst thing. I'm not. Let him, he picked his team, let him fight. Yeah. And I said, hey you, now you're going to find out how much you like the Red Sox. And he told everybody that year they were going to win the World Series and you would have guys who were 70, 80 years of age going, he did. He doesn't he know the history, like this is going to be heartbreak. And he swore to everybody they were going to win the World Series and that's the year they won the World Series. And so I said okay, now, now you understand the rivalry. You, you got one. The Yankees have 27. The rivalry continues. Yes.
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Todd
Todd, when is it okay for a parent to get involved in so called fight their kids battle for them. You know, is it a certain age? It is a certain school.
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Dan Patrick
Well, why don't I ask you what age do you think it's appropriate that if you fight a battle for your son?
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Todd
I think once you're like in junior high school, late junior high, that probably once you're done with elementary school, you have to kind of figure it out for yourself, whether you're just getting picked on or bullied for no reason or they stole your lunch or they don't like the team you're rooting for. That's what I would say.
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Dan Patrick
Did your mom not step in on your behalf?
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Stan Van Gundy
She did not.
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Todd
My brother did, though, when I got shoved down a flight of stairs for no reason. Like, late in junior high school, I was going down to the gym, to the gymnasium, and I had a big backpack on. So I'm already off balance with this big backpack with all my school books. God forbid I should leave one of the books home and not carry all them with or put it in a locker and someone thought it'd be funny to kind of give me a little shove. And I went tumbling down a flight of stairs, and my notebook opened up and all the sheets of paper are flying everywhere, and I'm a total panic, and I'm injured, and I'm trying to gather up all my notes. And, you know, my brother let the, you know, they didn't get violent, but he let, you know, those people know that that shouldn't happen again. Because he was a big guy, didn't
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Dan Patrick
want to mess with Big Ira.
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Todd
No. And he's not a violent person, but he just, you know, quietly said, you know, we're not going to do that again.
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Dan Patrick
Well, if you're being bullied, if it. If it's something more than, you know, a rivalry with your sports teams and something is happening, you know, chronically, then. Yeah, then you have to step in. Yes.
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Marvin
Marv, they took your son's hat off and urinated on it.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. That's a fight if he makes. But, you know, there's four Yankee fans in him, so can you fight in that instance?
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Marvin
Then I'm getting somebody else, and we're even in it.
- [39:28]
Dan Patrick
I think there were more Yankee fans in school than Red Sox fans. I don't think Red Sox fans wanted to come out, you know, from hiding. Yes, Paul, I could have told you
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Paulie
when you bought the hat that you're in trouble.
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Dan Patrick
Oh, okay. I see. It seems
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Dan Patrick
Tune in Friday. NBA on Prime A pair of game sixes starting pistons Cavs at 6:30 Eastern. That's followed by Spurs Timberwolves. Stan Van Gundy will be on the call with Iron Eagle and Cassidy Hubbard. They tip off at 9:30 Eastern. Great to see you again, Stan. Let me start at the end of regulation last night. If you were the coach of the Pistons, J.B. bickerstaff, what would you be saying to the official?
- [43:39]
Stan Van Gundy
Oh, boy, I. Okay, I probably wouldn't have been as severe as JB Wood because JB will give him an earful. But I thought it was a foul. I thought it was a clear foul. You know, great defensive play by a star Thompson. And then with plenty of time on the clock, Jared Allen just runs into him. He should have been shooting free throws.
- [44:03]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I don't like that somebody uses the logic of, hey, the Pistons, you know, they put themselves in this position, they were up nine with three minutes to go. I'm like, that doesn't matter in this situation. And, oh, it's incidental contact. I think if they were both side by side, coach, then I would say incidental and I would have said, let's play on. Jared Allen is behind him and bumps him. And I don't care if you accidentally trip somebody, you. You can still accidentally foul somebody and they have to call it in that situation.
- [44:34]
Stan Van Gundy
Yeah, look, the intent is not the. You're exactly right. The intent is not the issue. I mean, most of the time when you foul guys, you're not doing it intentionally. And a Sar Thompson clearly had the ball and was clearly ahead of Jared Allen. So it wasn't two guys going for a loose ball. Sar Thompson already had it. I think it's an unfortunate call and especially coming on the heels of last year when they got the unfortunate no call when the Knicks ran into Tim Hardaway Jr. It just, it just seems like in their own building they're having a tough time getting calls at this time of the year.
- [45:19]
Dan Patrick
Who do the Knicks want to face?
- [45:24]
Stan Van Gundy
Philadelphia. Again. That's who they prefer to play. Yeah, Philadelphia. And look at the way the Knicks are playing right now. I honestly think it's a situation where they're just more concerned with themselves and they don't really care. Each team presents a different challenge. Detroit elite defensively, but I feel like New York thinks that they can score on anybody right now. And then Cleveland, the tougher team on the offensive end of the floor. But the Knicks defense has been outstanding. Neither one of these teams, Cleveland and Detroit, are currently playing anywhere near the level that New York has played at.
- [46:04]
Dan Patrick
Who does OKC want to see?
- [46:08]
Stan Van Gundy
Oh, OKC would much rather see Minnesota a little banged up than they would San Antonio. But my guess is virtually all of their preparation time mentally and on the practice court is going into San Antonio. And if that comes to be, I don't think Minnesota is done. But if that comes to be, that could be a great, great, great series and a precursor to of what we might be watching for the next five, six, seven years with OKC in San Antonio battling it out for the Western Conference finals. But what will essentially be the NBA championship.
- [46:49]
Dan Patrick
Is Wemby the best player in the NBA now?
- [46:53]
Stan Van Gundy
He is the most impactful player in the NBA, I think, because if you look at both ends of the floor, so certainly Shay Gilgis, Alexander Jokic, Luka Doncic can match him at the offensive end of the floor for right now, but they don't come close to his defensive impact. Dan I think Victor Wembanyama is the most impactful defensive player I've ever seen in this league. I mean, the entire game changes when he's in the game and when he goes out. And you know, most of the time when you're an NBA coach and you're game planning like you're pretty set on what you're going to do offensively, you know, some wrinkles here and there against certain opponents. But most of your game plan stuff is how are we going to guard these guys? When you play San Antonio, you have to have a separate offensive game plan for when Victor, when Benyama's been on the floor because everything changes. You cannot score at the rim. Minnesota has shot under 50% on two point shots every game of this series. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. But it's all because of Wimby. Even the shots he doesn't block. You just take almost ridiculous shots just to try to get it over or around him. I mean, it's crazy what this guy does. Plus he's not just a rim protector. Rudy Gobert is a great rim protector. This guy goes out on the floor and can move his feet and guard guards I mean, it's phenomenal what he does.
- [48:34]
Dan Patrick
I brought this stat up the other day. Shaq missed over 5,000 free throws in his career. I think Wilt Chamberlain missed over 5,000. And sometimes I'll hear people, fans or analysts say, well, their hands are too big. And I go, that's nonsense. Because Wemby is 7 4, 75 and has beautiful touch. Carl Anthony Towns beautiful touch. I mean, I, I never bought into like Shaq just didn't have a good motion there. Wilt didn't have. He had a, like a jerky motion, then went underhanded there. So when you hear that, oh, it's just because they have bigger hands, that means that they can't have a good touch.
- [49:14]
Stan Van Gundy
No, I don't, I don't think that has anything to do with it, to be quite honest. I mean, there's some guys out there, smaller guys who have huge hands. Kawhi Leonard who shoot. Kawhi Leonard's hands are as big as anyone's. He shoots the ball extremely well. No, it's not that. And I think what we've seen, right, is there's been a total transformation in how big men are developed in this day and age. And so, you know, when, when Shaq was coming up, and even more so when Wilt was coming up, those guys played next near the basket. And that's the skill set that was developed. Now these guys are developed like everybody else with well rounded skills. And I think particularly a guy like Wimble, I've said for years, I think they do a much better job in Europe in terms of player development than we do here in the United States. So I just think that guy was brought up to with guard skills. And he's seven foot four. I mean, he's a true unicorn. We've never seen anything like this. I mean, some of the things he's done, they run, kick and rolls. When he's handling the ball, you know, he's rebounding and leading the fast break. I mean, the things that he does, does. They're running flare screens for him. I mean, I just, I. He blows my mind. I've been around this game a long time. You think you've seen it all and then you see Victor Wim, former head
- [50:47]
Dan Patrick
coach Stan Van Gundy NBA on prime. They'll have both games coming up on Friday night. Stan will be part of the crew that will bring you the spurs and the Timberwolves. Is OKC beatable and if so, how?
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Stan Van Gundy
Well, I think they are beatable. I think that certainly San Antonio can beat them. The talent level is there. It'll be strange for OKC because they're still really young. They'll have a huge experience advantage on San Antonio. San Antonio, only one starter had gone into this playoff run with any previous playoff experience, and that was the Aaron Fox who played one seven game series for Sacramento. And then they had Cornett and Harrison Barnes, neither who play a lot, who had been on championship run. So this is all new to San Antonio. But talent level, they match up with anybody. I mean, and it's not just women. Yama, they've got Fox, Castle and Dylan Harper, who I don't know if anybody can keep them out of the paint. And then the roster has been very well constructed. They've got shooters like champagne and the cell around those guys, those, all of those guys continue to get better. I think these two teams are going to be battling it out for years and years and years. Both have great front offices, both have great head coaches. They've done a great job, not only in evaluation, but they've done a great job in developing their talent. And they're not only really good, they're both really fun teams to watch.
- [52:29]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, it's important that we focus on the supporting cast with Wemby because it's easy to lose sight of those players. And Dylan Harper right in front of us is becoming a very good player. If you ran the Lakers and you had to make a Decision today on LeBron James, what would you do?
- [52:48]
Stan Van Gundy
Well, here's the thing. I think that fans sometimes forget this. It's always a decision of what are your other options. So do you truly. Because they want to win now. I mean, Luka Doncic is in his prime. He's as good an offensive player as we've ever had in this league. Do you have a better option then LeBron James to help you win a championship right now? I don't think they do. So I think I would sign LeBron James. You're in a win now thing. You're not in a rebuild. And I just don't see how there's a scenario out there that's better now. Maybe there will be. Maybe a trade will come up, but minus that, yeah, I'm signing LeBron James. And here's the thing I really liked about what LeBron did. He obviously still playing at a high level, but before the injuries, he willingly took a step back Dan and was playing as a third option in doing so efficiently and well. But he can still step up when need be. I don't know who their option would be out there. I know. I know the rumor they're going to get Giannis. Okay. I don't know if Giannis is the better guy around luka doncic than LeBron James because of shooting. Luka Doncic, you got to put shooting around him. I think the bigger thing for the Lakers coming up is they got to make sure they get Austin Reaves back. I know they want him back, but does Austin Reaves as an unrestricted free agent, want to go somewhere where he can be the number one option and not a number two with Luca? I think that's the bigger issue for the Lakers.
- [54:37]
Dan Patrick
Okay, so you're saying you would take LeBron back instead of if Giannis was available?
- [54:43]
Stan Van Gundy
I would, yes. Right now, look, Giannis, obviously one of the top five players in the league. I don't think he's necessarily a really good fit for Luka Doncic. I think he's a guy that excels with the ball in his hands. And I think the Lakers, especially assuming they get Reeves back, already have two guys who need the ball in their hands. LeBron has been in your system with those guys and shown you he can play as a third option, and he's the far better perimeter shooter to space the floor for those guys. So if you want to win right now. Yeah, I think so.
- [55:26]
Dan Patrick
I asked Jamal Crawford earlier in the week, and I said, who is the best basketball playing analyst right now? And he said that he is the best player currently as an analyst. Okay. Is there any other analyst right now that you think could take Jamal Crawford one on one?
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Stan Van Gundy
You'd have to think age. Jamal's pretty close to, you know, he's more recently retired.
- [55:57]
Dan Patrick
Could. I mean, could Dwyane Wade beat Jamal Crawford right now?
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Stan Van Gundy
I don't think Dwayne. Dwayne State in great shape. I don't know if he stayed up enough on the basketball to be able to play him. He would probably. He would probably be the closest. Griffin, Carmelo State in great shape. Yeah, Carmelo, I think, still plays Vince Carter. I mean, a lot of those guys. But I think Jamal would be at the top just because he's played more recently. He's younger than those guys. You know, I'm surprised my name hasn't come up in the conversation at all, Dan. I mean, I. You know, I think people are sleeping on me a little bit, but if I'm not in the equation, I'd go with Jamal.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. The best.
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Stan Van Gundy
Here's another one. And he's on. He's on Peacock. Austin Rivers But I think Jamal was just a better offensive player. But Austin is young and is recently retired.
- [56:57]
Dan Patrick
Also the best former coach right now. Basketball players who.
- [57:06]
Stan Van Gundy
The best former coach player who's done both. Steve Nash.
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Stan Van Gundy
Steve Nash has done both. And so Steve, I think, clearly, and Steve is another guy. You could probably throw into that discussion what these. A lot of these guys have done. I just don't think they. Jamal still plays that I know a lot of them don't, but they've stayed in great shape. Like, if you look at the guys in our studio and just look at Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash, Blake Griffin, you, Donna sayslam they all look like they did when they played. Dwyane Wade, Candace Parker. I mean, they all look like they could go out and play right now. Maybe Candace would be the best matchup for Jamal.
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Dan Patrick
Before I let you go, I think you were an assistant with the heat in oh, three.
- [58:01]
Stan Van Gundy
Yes, I was there. I actually. Oh three is when I became the head coach for the 0304 season.
- [58:08]
Dan Patrick
Okay. The game plan against Kobe and Shaq, who was tougher, maybe it's obvious, but, you know, in their prime, coming up with a game plan for Shaq or
- [58:20]
Stan Van Gundy
Kobe, I mean, here's the thing. I don't think people understand, like, you could not play anything norm near your base defense against Shaquille, it was just. He was too big, too strong and too good. I think people, because of his size, underrate his skills. So you come in double that guy was a great passer. He had quick feet, great footwork. I think his size has made him underrated as a player. Kobe was great, and there was no way to stop him either. But he was a more normal player. Shaq was just so far out of the norm of what you played against. I mean, you would look out there sometimes. You know, we had Alonzo morning, and you'd look at Alonzo against Shaq and you would think, sometimes I thought Zoe was bigger than that. You know, I mean, it's just. And yet Shaq's feet were so quick. He could really pass. He had phenomenal hands, great touch around the basket. I think people focus on the free throw shooting because it was the only thing that made Shaq look immortal.
- [59:39]
Dan Patrick
Great stuff as always, Stan. Thank you for joining us.
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Stan Van Gundy
Yeah, glad to be here, Dan, and enjoy the games going forward.
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Dan Patrick
Stan Van Gundy.
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