The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Introduction

The Best of The Dan Patrick Show episode, released on June 9, 2025, offers a curated selection of memorable moments from Dan Patrick's engaging sports and pop culture discussions. Hosted by iHeartPodcasts and the Dan Patrick Podcast Network, the show features in-depth analyses, insightful conversations with A-list guests, and a healthy dose of humor. This summary highlights the key topics covered, including the intense NBA Finals showdown, the transformative NCAA settlement affecting college athletics, and an exclusive interview with former NBA player and Thunder analyst Michael Cage.

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1. Intense NBA Finals Showdown: Pacers vs. Thunder

The episode delves into the gripping NBA Finals series between the Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder. The series is currently tied at two games each, with Game Three scheduled in Sunrise, Florida.

Key Discussions:

• Game Analyses: The hosts break down the dynamics of the first two games. Game One saw the Pacers seize an early advantage, but Game Two witnessed the Thunder's robust defense leading to a double-overtime victory.

  • Tom Brokaw remarks, "The Pacers are the first team in over a decade to not have a 20-point score in the first two games of the NBA Finals" ([26:27]).

• Player Performances: Tyrese Haliburton's fluctuating performances are scrutinized. In Game One, Haliburton had a pivotal shot that won the game but appeared "neutral" in Game Two, raising concerns about his consistency.

  • Tom Brokaw comments, "Tyrese Halliburton... he can't be just okay" ([08:46]).

• Strategic Insights: The Thunder's depth and defensive strategies are highlighted as key factors in their success. Shay Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) is compared to Michael Jordan in terms of scoring ability and fearlessness on the court.

  • Tom Yamas states, "He reminds me of a Jordan like player. He's not afraid of contact, he's not afraid to get in the mid-range" ([28:22]).

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Brokaw: "If you let him score, he'll score 70. He'll kill you." ([29:57])
• Tom Yamas: "This is what the team is about and that's what you're probably going to expect for the rest of the series." ([28:22])

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2. NCAA Settlement: Transforming College Athletics

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the recent NCAA settlement that allows colleges to pay athletes directly. This segment features insights from Ryan Seacrest and Paul Feinbaum, host of The Paul Feinbaum Show.

Key Discussions:

• Impact on College Sports: The settlement is poised to reshape the landscape of college athletics, potentially benefitting affluent schools while disadvantaging smaller programs and women's sports.

  • Ryan Seacrest: "The NCAA is essentially dead... they have absolutely nothing to do but try to look busy." ([38:35])

• Transfer Portal and Player Movement: The flexibility and chaos introduced by the transfer portal are scrutinized, highlighting challenges for coaches and programs in maintaining team cohesion.

  • Ryan Seacrest: "The portal has to be there, and I don't think they can do much about it." ([44:10])

• Financial Implications: With schools expected to receive substantial funds, questions arise about the sustainability and distribution of these resources, primarily sourced from donations and boosters.

  • Ryan Seacrest: "It comes from donations. Boosters... they recruit and fundraise." ([42:40])

Notable Quotes:

• Ryan Seacrest: "Ultimately, if you have fat cats, they're going to remain part of the system." ([43:36])
• Lester Holt: "But it's all about money, Paul, and there's more money to be made." ([46:35])

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3. Exclusive Interview with Michael Cage: Insights from a Former NBA Player

The episode features an engaging interview with Michael Cage, a Thunder TV analyst and former NBA player. Cage shares his rich experiences from his 16-year NBA career, including interactions with legends like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson.

Key Discussions:

• Career Highlights: Cage reminisces about his time with the San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers and the camaraderie with teammates and other NBA stars.

  • Michael Cage: "When we drafted, my alma mater...but two weeks later, the team moved to Los Angeles." ([22:11])

• Comparisons to Contemporary Players: Discussing Shay Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA), Cage draws parallels between SGA and Michael Jordan, emphasizing SGA's mid-range prowess and leadership qualities.

  • Michael Cage: "He reminds me of a Jordan like player... he's the NBA's leading scorer, NBA's MVP." ([28:22])

• Personal Anecdotes: Cage shares humorous and heartfelt stories, including how his unique hairstyle influenced popular culture and his interactions with fellow legends.

  • Michael Cage: "The whole Soul Glow thing came in with the Jheri curl... a baptism into the entertainment industry." ([23:44])

Notable Quotes:

• Michael Cage: "He's brought back the mid-range... that's where he reminds me of Jordan." ([28:22])
• Michael Cage: "He handled that kind of fame and success really well." ([32:07])

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4. Conclusion

The Best of The Dan Patrick Show effectively encapsulates the essence of Dan Patrick's dynamic conversations, blending meticulous sports analysis with broader discussions on significant developments in the athletic world. From the high-stakes NBA Finals to the evolving landscape of college sports, and personal stories from NBA veterans, the episode offers a comprehensive and engaging listening experience for sports enthusiasts and casual fans alike.

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Notable Quotes Overview:

• Tom Brokaw: "Tyrese Halliburton was seen limping from the podium after game two loss." ([13:45])
• Ryan Seacrest: "The NCAA is essentially dead." ([38:35])
• Michael Cage: "This is what the team is about and that's what you're probably going to expect for the rest of the series." ([28:22])

Timestamp References:

• Discussions and quotes are attributed with timestamps in MM:SS format for easy reference.

Note: Advertisements, promotional segments, and non-content sections were excluded from this summary to focus solely on the core discussions and insights provided during the episode.

Transcript

[Tom Brokaw]

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[Lester Holt]

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[Tom Brokaw]

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[Lester Holt]

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[Tom Yamas]

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[Tom Brokaw]

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[Tom Yamas]

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[Tom Brokaw]

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[Lester Holt]

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[Lester Holt]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Few things to go through the thunder over the Pacers last night, that series tied at a game of peace. If I said to a Pacer fan, hey, you can win Game one or you can win Game two, you'd probably say, let's win Game two and take that momentum back to Indiana. But you win Game one, you get roughed up in Game two, the Panthers in double overtime. Game three is tonight in Florida. They always say South Florida because they never want to say where they're actually from. Which is Sunrise, Florida? Because people go, where is Sunrise, Florida? South Florida. But congratulations to the Panthers in double overtime. We've had overtime and now double overtime. Interesting results from the French Open. Coco Golf, who has been on the worldwide radar since she was a teenager. Well, 13 or 14 years of age. Here she is, 21 years of age, winning her second major. Carlos Alcaraz, who would have thought you got center with a chance. You got three championship points and you can't put him away. That's what always amazes me watching tennis. You're down to your last point and then all of a sudden you win. Then all of a sudden you move on to the next set, then all of a sudden you've got the advantage, you've got the momentum, and it's five hours, there's no clock. You just play. It felt like every time Michael Chang played a tennis match, it went five sets. He may lead, I was going to say lead the league. He may lead men's tennis in five set matches and maybe not winning those matches, but it felt like every match was five sets. But the French Open and Alcaraz and center, hopefully you have, you know, moving into a new generation of great players, that that's the next wave, that they'll be facing each other for many, many years to come. A couple things stood out last night. The Pacers are the first team in over a decade to not have a 20 point score in the first two games of the NBA Finals. Now, I like spreading the wealth, but this is Oklahoma City's defense here. And another thing that would concern me if I'm an Indiana Pacer fan, is Tyrese Halliburton. He did have the big shot in Game one. He didn't have a great game. And last night he was kind of, I don't know, neutral. He was just okay. He can't be just okay. But give credit to okc, the defense that they're playing. And then you have Shay, Gilgis, Alexander, the difference in Game two as opposed to Game one, he was more economical with his shooting. And you know, you're taking 30 shots to get to 38 points in game one and you're taking what, 21 shots to get to 34 points and you throw in eight assists. That's where they're really dangerous. And you had so many players from the bench coming in and contributing. You saw a true OKC performance last night. Now, that's one game. But is it habit forming? Does OKC realize that we should have won Game one? We made a mistake. We can't let this team get any breath of fresh air and think they have a chance to beat us. And you saw that in Game one and they should have known that. If you watch the Pacers when they're down by 15, you don't know if they're down by 15 or they're up by 10. And that's what OKC realized in game one. Now I'm looking at DraftKings telling me the NBA Finals outcomes. As far as if you're betting if this is going to go five, that is the favorite right now, followed by four, two, Thunder, followed by Thunder, four, three. And then it jumps to The Pacers winning in six, Pacers winning in seven. You can place a bet at the Pacers winning the next three to win this series, but those are long odds as well. OKC is favored. They showed you why they were favored. And now the series is going to shift to Indiana. Let's see. See, you got a poll question for me.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, we got a couple for you here.

[Lester Holt]

Well, let's see.

[Tom Brokaw]

You're kind of hitting a bunch of sports. So we can start with Paul's question that he sent over. The most strenuous sport. Basketball, hockey, tennis. We'll leave football out of that. Basketball, because that's clearly the one. But basketball, hockey, tennis.

[Lester Holt]

So we're going with sports that are happening now. Yeah, you could throw boxing in there.

[Tom Brokaw]

Is that even happening now?

[Lester Holt]

Well, is. They're just. Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Is that even happening?

[Lester Holt]

Not even. Not marquee matchups, I think.

[Tom Brokaw]

I think sports. Were you actively, like, like, all right, there's fighting in all sports, but the sport isn't fighting. You could take those out. Ufc, take that out. Can take boxing out. I think you take football out.

[Lester Holt]

Okay, so just the ones that are going on now.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

Okay, so which one is more strenuous? Well, I guess we're going to focus on tennis because it went five and a half hours. Hockey always, to me, I mean, hockey is. You're out there for 90 seconds, go as hard as you can now, you know, go to the bench, and then we're going to do it again in a couple of minutes and then repeat and repeat. Tennis is. You're out there, and it's not like you can go, can I go sit down for a little while? You're going to play. Now, granted, how long do the points last when you're on the clay? It. It, you know, lasts a little bit longer. You have rallies on. On the clay, as opposed to when you're at Wimbledon or US Open or Australian Open. But I'm just amazed that when you're out there for five and a half hours. And also there's the mental aspect of that, of being out there for five and a half hours. It's not just athletically, but mentally, you have to be all in out there. And then you see these guys when they're, you know, in their mid-30s or late-30s still doing it. That's even more remarkable that they're able to do that. Yes, Todd.

[Tom Yamas]

And not only the duration and the heat or whatever the conditions are, but just mentally from one game to the next, just like yesterday, you just had it. You're about to win a championship. And then you have another chance and another chance and how it. How. How you're going to bounce back from that, how it gets in your head, knowing what's. Now there could be another knowing in the back of your mind. Could be another hour and a half of Tennessee had to be played to figure out who's going to win this.

[Lester Holt]

Thing as opposed to just, you know.

[Tom Yamas]

You'Re skating around and everything. But you get those breaks like you said.

[Lester Holt]

And nobody knows tennis quite like you do.

[Tom Yamas]

Second doubles, I know every once in a while, they threw me out there for a couple of points.

[Lester Holt]

Did you let her in? High school and tennis, we all got letters.

[Tom Yamas]

I wouldn't say I lettered as far as earned it. Everyone on the team got a jacket. And you got the little Lincoln L with a lightning bolt through it.

[Lester Holt]

Did you? I think you have to play in a varsity match to letter.

[Tom Yamas]

I think I played briefly in a couple of varsity matches, but I wore that satin blue Lincoln tennis jacket like I was the captain of the team. You would never know the way I was strutting up and down the hallways of Lincoln High School. You would think, wow, this guy must be, like the number one singles guy.

[Lester Holt]

And I'm gonna guess you still have that jack.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, I sure do. I couldn't. I couldn't fit it at all around me. It's basically a scarf at this point.

[Lester Holt]

Why don't we bring it in and maybe I frame it and we put it in here with all the other great jerseys.

[Tom Yamas]

I got my name on it, says Todd and Script on the side. It was. It's pretty cool.

[Lester Holt]

What else, Seaton are we thinking about?

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, man, it's got Todd and Script. It's sweet. We haven't really hit this one yet, so I'm guessing we'll save it for a later.

[Lester Holt]

Okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

Topic.

[Lester Holt]

Aaron Rodgers. No. Oh, okay. Okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

Will the NCAA settlement shift college sports dramatically? Question mark. Game changer or not really.

[Lester Holt]

Paul Feinbaum from the Mothership will join us a little bit later on. We'll. We'll talk about this. We've talked about this. I find it fascinating of where we were to where we are now. You go back to September of 2013. Johnny Manziel on the COVID of Time magazine, and the article, the headline is, time to start Paying athletes. Well, we're there, but there's questions. This is fluid once again. And I don't know what college sports is going to look like in 10 years from now, because right now it just feels like everybody's trying to figure out, okay, how do we navigate this? And they haven't navigated this very well. Now the NCAA is basically out of the picture, and maybe, you know, they're going to be governing the sports that are on the periphery. But, yeah, that. I got more questions than answers have been supplied to me, and I've talked to people who are part of the decision makers in this, and even they are kind of confused by everything or cautious about things, and I think that's what we have to kind of do a little deeper dive into. What does it really mean for you, the college fam. That's really all that matters now. Athletes getting paid. They've been paid. They've been paid before. They'll continue to get paid. But I. I care about what it means for us, the fan. That's it. Because I'm going to let college athletics deal with whatever this mess is, and hopefully they clean it up. Hopefully they can clean it up. Hopefully. It's defined, but I just think there's so much gray area here. I got so many questions, and hopefully Paul Feinbaum can provide some answers. Fritz. He just sent me an article that Tyrese Halliburton was seen limping from the podium after game two loss.

[Tom Yamas]

No further word on how serious it is. But, you know, always, of course, a concern for one of your top guys is limping around.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, yeah. But heading back home, hopefully it was.

[Tom Brokaw]

Just a lost game two limp.

[Lester Holt]

Well, game three will be Wednesday night in Indianapolis.

[Tom Brokaw]

I always love that when, like, a dude gets torched on a play, you know, and all of a sudden they're like, ah, you know, gotta grab the back of my leg real quick, take a second. I wouldn't have gotten torched like that if I just hadn't tweaked something. But, okay, now I'm good. Now I'm better.

[Lester Holt]

Okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

This happened to all of us.

[Lester Holt]

Heck, yeah, dude.

[Tom Yamas]

You airball, you start checking your hands.

[Tom Brokaw]

All of a sudden your shoulder is a little funny. That's why I airballed that. My shoulder just clicked. That was weird.

[Lester Holt]

I guess my favorite is when ball goes, there's an error, and the guy looks at his glove like, damn, glove.

[Tom Brokaw]

This thing just rip.

[Lester Holt]

What the heck?

[Tom Brokaw]

This thing. Oh, no, it's fine. That's weird.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah. Or a golfer misses a putt. There's always something in his line that then he tamps it down with his putter.

[Tom Brokaw]

He argues with, like, the land itself, where he's like, no, to the right. Yeah, to the right. It was gonna break to the Right.

[Lester Holt]

Yells at his caddy. Yeah, it's like, wait, 2,000 left, right? You told me. Yeah. US Open gets underway in Oakmont. By the way, I've played Oakmont. I don't want to play Oakmont again. I should say it played me.

[Tom Brokaw]

Do you want to go early in the week, poll who you got at Oakmont next weekend? No.

[Lester Holt]

If I give you Scotty Scheffler or the field. Is Scheffler in the Tiger woods versus the field category now, has he graduated to that?

[Tom Brokaw]

That's insulting to the Tiger.

[Lester Holt]

Oh, the Tiger. Ladies and gentlemen, the Tiger, Rory Bryson. Well, Rory's got problems with his driver. Like, he was terrible in at the RBC this weekend. We didn't even make the cut.

[Tom Brokaw]

So saving it. Oh, is that what he is, saving it for next week?

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, he had problems. They confiscated his driver, and then he's still trying to find a driver.

[Tom Yamas]

He's just hustling everybody.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, he can't play anymore.

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[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, I think 84 to 2000.

[Lester Holt]

Oh, okay. That would be a 60, 16 years if my math would serve me correctly. Also I believe played college basketball with Tony Gwynn at San Diego State. Michael Cage joining us. Can we confirm those things, Michael?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, let's see. Check for the years and check also with my man, Tony Gwynn, God rest his soul, was a teammate of mine my freshman year at San Diego State. Spot on.

[Lester Holt]

Do you think Tony Gwynn could have played in the NBA?

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, I do. And he was a terrific point guard, great leader on the floor, could shoot the mid range. Now you got to remember when I was in college there was no three point line so that that three point line wasn't so much of a factor. But I watched him shoot and practice. He had range and man, he never told me. I got to tell you this, Dan, he never told me that he was that good of a baseball player until spring of his senior year, which was spring of my freshman year. He said, why don't you come watch me play? Yeah. And that was it, man. I became a fan.

[Lester Holt]

What was your welcome to the NBA moment?

[Tom Yamas]

You know, I was drafted as a San Diego Clipper. So you just mentioned San Diego State, my. My alma mater. And I was, like, happy as a lark. Hey, I'm local, kid. San Diego State just got drafted by the San Diego Clippers. And then two weeks later, I got a phone call. You need to move up to LA and get an apartment somewhere. And I said, well, what does that mean? Well, the team has moved to Los Angeles. They're now the Los Angeles Clippers. And I said, okay, this is what the NBA is like. Welcome to it.

[Lester Holt]

Michael, how much of a rivalry, like, did you get? How lost is the. Did the Clippers get in the. You know, the shadow, that huge shadow of the Lakers when you're in the same town, but people don't even know that you're there?

[Tom Yamas]

Well, first of all, Dan, the LA is gonna always be a Laker town. I mean, you know, they. They've been there, what, since 55. Their. Their Minneapolis days or whatever, and. But when we came there, my. My, you know, rookie year, I saw some. Some fans, some Billy Crystals, penny marshals at the games.

[Lester Holt]

Hall was probably there.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, he was there. And then, you know, when they did the infamous Coming to America movie, the writers came to the Clippers game, saw my hair and said, we're gonna do the Soul Glow thing off of Michael Cage's hair. I said, okay, this is kind of cool. I didn't find it out till 10 years, 15 years later.

[Lester Holt]

But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because you had a Jerry curl, can.

[Tom Yamas]

We keep this moving?

[Lester Holt]

No, no, you had hair. We should talk about when you had hair, Michael. But. So you had a Jerry curl.

[Tom Yamas]

I did.

[Lester Holt]

And they. And so they. Writers looked at that and said, we're going to use that in Coming to America.

[Tom Yamas]

That's what I found out years later from Rolling Stones magazine that called me and says, hey, we want to do a story on you with the whole Coming to America feature. I said, well, what. What does that have to do with me? He said, oh, you didn't know? They said, well, the writers came to a Clipper. I'm sorry, I can barely get it out sometime. You got to have a sense of humor in my house. And this is a sense of humor. I tell you story for me. I turn around and said, well, Tell me more. He says, well, they came as a clipper game and they were trying to think up some different scenes or acts for the movie coming to America, the original one, and said they saw your hair. And that was when the, the whole Soul Glow thing came in, you know, with I, I tell you. And I said, okay, that's a big surprise, but I can give you whatever I can. I said, yeah, I wore it, but, you know, I was kind of. I was kind of like a, a baptism into the entertainment industry of Hollywood for me with the hair thing and the Soul Glow and the Jheri curl, you know, all that stuff, man.

[Lester Holt]

But if you could still have that hair, but you had to wear it now since you're bald, would you go back? Would you do the Jheri curl?

[Tom Yamas]

You know, you know about fashion, you know about style. What goes around comes around, is coming around. And if I could, I would, because I know I, I'm seeing the, the big Afro. When I was in high school, I had a big one, man. It was bigger than Michael Jackson's in the 70s. Whoa. That's how big mine was in high school, my first year of college. So I'm assuming. Yeah, if I. To answer your question. Yeah. Because I know it's going to come back around, man.

[Lester Holt]

We're talking to Michael Cage, the Thunder TV analyst and 14th overall pick by the Clippers in 1984, once led the NBA in rebounding. All right. What we saw last night felt like that was emblematic of what you saw all season long with OKC. And I'll start with SGA because I like the 8 assist. It felt like he was, if he wasn't scoring, he would get into the paint, take the double team and then kick out. What else stood out for you with what you saw last night? And if you're telling a Pacer fan, get ready to see more of this. What would it be?

[Tom Yamas]

Well, I, I think what you saw was a total team effort that got this team 68 wins last season. Because, you know, as much as there's a lead dog in sga, man, that dude is special, man. I've been here. This is my 11th year as a broadcaster for the Thunder, and when I got here, we, we had Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, you know, that whole group and that era was kind of, you know, at its last year or two run. And then we had to retool this team and, and get the Chris, Paul. And then, you know, there was the in between of Paul, George, Carmelo Anthony, along with Russell Westbrook. And then came the SGA story. And along with him came, you know, a lot of hope, a lot of promise, a lot of progress, a lot of painstakingly growth. But what you saw last night, here's the answer, the bread and butter of your question, that's this, is this team's identity. What you saw from Aaron Wiggins coming off the bench getting 18 points, what you saw from Alex Caruso you know, getting 20 points. I mean that's what, that's the identity of this team. Yeah, you can pick on SGA and say, look, we're going to try to stop him or we're going to let him score. If you let him score, he'll score 70. He'll kill you. I'm just telling you that now. So you, you have to respect, you know that, hey, he's the leading, he's the NBA's leading scorer, NBA's MVP. And he's not afraid of the moment. But there's a lot of depth to this team. And maybe you didn't see, you know, maybe you saw a peekaboo of that on a couple of nights earlier in game one where the, the Thunder led the whole way and then lost the game at the end on the Halliburton shot. But you know the depth of this team. Isaiah Hardenstein, Chad Holmgren, I mean Lou Dort, Casen Wallace, you know, I've already mentioned AC and Aaron Wiggins. It just goes on and on, man. This is what this team is about and that's what you're probably going to expect from for the rest of the series.

[Lester Holt]

Who does SGA remind you of on the offensive end?

[Tom Yamas]

You know, and I say this with respect and he reminds me of a Jordan like player. He's not afraid of contact, he's not afraid to get in the mid range. He's got the three point shot, you know, in his pocket, but he pulls it out timely when he wants to. You know how it is to today's modern NBA. You know, it's offenses are based around either the deep three, three point shot or the deep paint finish. He's brought back the mid range. You know, when you talk about guys that like made a living in the mid range, like the Demar DeRozan's type players, SGA has really made teams start going, wait a minute now. Maybe we wouldn't, shouldn't be focusing so much on three point shooters. Yeah, that's important. That's an important part of the game. Analytically I believe that. But that mid range where he dominates, where he is just fun to watch. That's where he reminds me of Jordan.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, he's Jordan under the rim, you know, because Mike played at a different level, literally and figuratively. But SGA can get a shot like you. You watch and you go, how does he do it? There's certain guys that you go, okay, I get, you know, that they're great scores or they get their shot. There's other guys where you go, I don't get it. But he keeps doing it every single night. And, you know, when you look at consistency at leading the league and scoring, does he want to lead the league in scoring?

[Tom Yamas]

I don't think so. I think what I've seen in Shea since he got here, after we traded for him after one season in Los Angeles with the Clippers, I saw a scrawny kid who was just hungry, wanted to win. And when I talked to him, when I've seen him, he's always got that kind of approach to the game. He's a. He's a magnet for friendships. You know, I heard a story and I knew about it, but I'm glad it got out about him becoming friends, really close friends with Lou Dort. You know, loose lose first year with the team as well. Lou didn't have a place to stay yet, and she had just gotten here his first season. Say, why don't you stay with me? I'm not married. I don't have any kids. He's married. He has, you know, beautiful family now Shay does. And they. They were roommates for a season, and then he turned around, and when we drafted J Dub, you know, who's going to be a rising star, a tremendous player so far in this league, he. He said, look, because you're my rookie, I want you to pick me up and take me to the airport every road trip. See that kind of camaraderie? That's pretty cool, man.

[Lester Holt]

Did you have a Jordan moment?

[Tom Yamas]

You know, good question. Here's my Jordan moment. Maybe he wasn't Jordan to everyone else, but I played with Michael Jordan on the national team. 1983 Pan Am Games. We won the gold medal down in Caracas, Venezuela. He was my roommate that whole summer, and he was my roommate at the Village doing the Pan Am games and the tryouts that we had the year earlier, where there was Charles Barkley, all these, you know, Carl Malone, John Stockton, you know, all these up and coming names. And there was this kid that everybody wanted to see over on court three. Now I'm on court one, there's court two, court three, and he said, this is Jordan kid, you know, he, he's, he's at North Carolina. You got to go over there and see him. I said, I already know about him, but I'm like, on after my game is over, I'm going over to court three and see this guy. And I saw him play and I just said, man, he is so far above the rest of us. And I knew at that moment in 1982, at the tryouts and at the games in 83, this guy was going to be the truth. And he certainly was now. Did we ever think he'd eclipse where he, you know, got to? No. But I'm not surprised because he's handled that kind of fame and that kind of, you know, success really well.

[Lester Holt]

You seem really mild mannered, nice, cordial. Did you have any moments with Larry Bird where he would trash talk you?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, he just looked at me my rookie year and just said, you know, you can't stop me. And I said, I know.

[Tom Brokaw]

There's.

[Tom Yamas]

There's nothing else to say. You're Larry Bird.

[Lester Holt]

And I, and I.

[Tom Yamas]

And I got that kind of, you know, seasoning from Magic Johnson, too, because I was right there in town. I should see him at grocery stores around LA and, you know, at the gas station sometimes. Or we were all going into practice because we practiced the same practice site at Loyola Marymount back in those days, and Magic would just come up to me and talk to me and then turn around and kick my butt. I said, I don't know which one I like. I like the quiet Bird, kick your butt thing. Then Magic shaking your hands. You know I'm going at you, right?

[Lester Holt]

You know, thank you for the stories, Michael, and good luck the rest of the series there.

[Tom Yamas]

Thanks, Dan. Great. Great having me, man. Enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Dan it means very little really because this is all complicated, a lot of legal mumbo jumbo. What I think if it will really mean though, if you're a fan of a group of five school, if you're a fan of a school somewhere in the middle, get ready for hard times. This is only going to help the rich. Wherever you heard that before, the big leagues, the Big Ten, the SEC will more than likely profit because they have so much money. Women's sports in my opinion, will be hurt. Olympic sports will be crushed. Football wins. Basketball, other than maybe the Big east takes a slight backseat.

[Lester Holt]

What happens to the ncaa?

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The NCAA is essentially dead. And I know a lot of people are celebrating, but the damage that has been done by this organization is incalculable and it's really about time. What did we grow up thinking about when we thought of the ncaa, Dan? The enforcement part of it. The big bad NCAA is coming to your town. They don't even have any jurisdiction for that anymore, by the way. Not that they have in about the last Five years, they've been completely ineffective. So if you're the NCAA president who happens to be Charlie Baker, you get to fly around on a luxury plane, you work in a Taj Mahal, you stay at five star resorts, but essentially you have absolutely nothing to do but try to look busy.

[Lester Holt]

Is Division one too big?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. Right now in college sports, piggybacking off of what I said in the preamble, it's really about the top. It's pyramid. And the idea that a college basketball tournament, which used to be one of the greatest moments on the calendar, has now been reduced to a battle of the elite is really unfortunate. But there's no way, if you're a small college basketball program like a butler 10 years ago, or some of these other programs that have just been so exciting. Davidson making a run with Steph Curry, you really don't have a chance. And I know that sounds deflating, but even if you are good, if you have a junior or a sophomore, he's going to one of the top teams for his final year, he's not sticking around.

[Lester Holt]

A couple of things that came to mind is nil the transfer portal, signing contracts that might make it tougher to transfer. Can schools buy out a player from his. And I mean, I, I don't. It's the wild, wild west. So these are all these questions that I had. So pick one of those if you've got a juicy answer.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I mean, right now the biggest issue in college athletics is the portal. That's, that's what coaches scream about because they're constantly on the go having to re recruit their roster. So I think that's really where the action is. I'm not sure this agreement is going to affect that. And I don't mean to be one of those guys that says it's actually going to get worse in some regard, but there are going to be more lawsuits and I think you're going to see Title IX lawsuits about where, where does. I mean, right after we've had the greatest explosion of women's sports, especially in basketball, women's softball, now it's going to be curtailed. What, what is really going on, and it's very much out in the open, is the commissioners of college sports want federal intervention. It's interesting, Dan, that yesterday up in New Jersey, the athletic director at Notre Dame, who used to be in the pga, so he knew the president very well from his days there, and the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, Greg Sankey, played golf with Donald Trump with the idea of trying to get him to do what Congress has not done in four or five years. Despite a lot of smoke, and I'm not a political analyst, this president has quite a bully pulpit. And he does seem, at least for the time being, to be very interested in college athletics. And some of that is because he's a sports fan. He's gone to a number of games. He likes the arena, so he could help in the short term. But from a legal standpoint, almost everything will be challenged at some point. But the idea of Congress making, you know, giving college athletics an antitrust exemption, limiting college athletes in terms of what they can make, I think still remains fairly slim.

[Lester Holt]

Paul Feynman, Paul Feinbaum of the mothership, the Paul Feinbaum show, the voice of the SEC. Also, schools are going to get 20 and a half million dollars to play with. And where does that money come from?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It comes from the same place that it's always coming from. Donations. Boosters. I mean, that's all. I saw Kirby Smart the other day. He was on his way to a fundraiser. That's all they do. They recruit and fundraise. They don't do a lot of coaching in the off season. And ultimately, if you have fat cats. And in some ways they believe that this new agreement is going to cut the billionaire booster, like the one in Miami a couple years ago, the one at Texas Tech out. I don't think so, Dan. You're never going to cut those guys out. And the idea that they hired an ex Major League baseball official who was a former U.S. attorney, he's going to be in charge of enforcements. Please, that's not going to happen. Every school will challenge anything that comes down the pipe like, like we've seen in recent years. And there will be no enforcement whatsoever.

[Lester Holt]

The transfer portal thing is, I think what, that's what drives coaches crazy. And I mean, you're poaching guys. You know, when they were playing in, you know, the playoffs, college football playoffs, there were two players that I was told they're negotiating to play someplace, having that window we've talked about. Is there a way to make the transfer portal, the window smaller to be fair to those playing in playoff games? To these coaches as well?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. I mean, there's two transfer portals right now. The second one is not particularly important. That's. That one just ended a couple of weeks ago. But the one right after the season is. And the problem is it, where do you put it? Right now, it lands right after the, the championship games, but before the bowl and playoff games. And the story is pretty famous. About the backup quarterback at Penn State last year, he just. He decided to leave and, you know, they didn't need him. But ultimately it could have been a disaster. So I don't think there's anywhere to put that, because nowadays you don't want to wait right now to get your seniors on your campus. All the great programs get the best players in December. That's in December of their senior year, Dan, not afterwards. So the portal has to be there. And I don't think they can do much about.

[Lester Holt]

Just feels like we're eventually going to get to 50 schools. Right? That's where we're headed. Right, Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And we're also going to get collective bargaining at some point. I don't know why. College administrators just don't want to admit that they're paying the players. But as soon as I say this, and we know everything that has happened, you'll get. You'll get an athletic director on your show next week or a coach, and he'll use this phrase, Daniel, you know, the student athletes. Please don't. I mean, laugh. Because that's the most laughable statement in word. Well, not the most laughable, but at least in the college sports parlance right now. But they. They're stuck on it, and they just want to act like this isn't really going on around them. It reminds me of the. The piano player in the house of Il repute. As people are. As businessmen are walking up and down, they're just playing the piano, acting like they're not seeing a thing.

[Lester Holt]

I want a centralized college football office, scheduling.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Good luck.

[Lester Holt]

Can we.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I like what you're going, where you're going. Dan, the problem is that you have these four power, four commissioners, and they are essentially like the bosses of the. Of the. Of the New York families back in the day. Brooklyn's not giving into Staten island, and Manhattan's not giving into Queensland. They meet twice a year at the best Italian restaurant in Little Italy. And that you hope nobody gets killed.

[Lester Holt]

But it's all about money, Paul, and there's more money to be made. They love making their money. So I. At some point in my lifetime, I think we get to 50 colleges and you are playing. And then there's everybody else, I just think. And there's going to be some schools that might go, you know what, we're going to drop football. It's. We don't want to spend money or, you know, these are strange. Maybe, you know, drop divisions.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The one thing I'll say, and I'm not a Pollyanna. But you know, come September on a Saturday night when we're watching Ohio State and Texas and Arch Manning has the ball on fourth and one at the goal, we won't care about any of these things. The games are fantastic, just like everything that you're watching in hockey and basketball. But the off season is just brutal.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, but when it's November 8th and it's Georgia versus Mercer, then I have a problem with that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Paul I agree. But, but nowadays, because the playoff is remains as convoluted as ever, we're going to get at least three of the two. Every every program at least is going to is going to have at least two of those games. I mean, look, look at some of the schedules. Penn State has an embarrassing non conference schedule this year and they're one of the favorites to win the national championship.

[Lester Holt]

Good to talk to you Paul, as always. Thanks for joining us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Always a pleasure.

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