The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – "Best of" Episode Summary

Date: March 25, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Guests: Darius Rucker (musician), Scott Fowler (Charlotte Observer sports columnist), Mel Kiper Jr. (NFL Draft analyst)

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" edition features Dan Patrick’s signature blend of humor and insightful sports talk with A-list guests from the intersecting worlds of sports, music, and media. Today’s highlights include a lively, candid conversation with musician and Miami Dolphins superfan Darius Rucker, a deep dive into North Carolina’s sports landscape with Scott Fowler, and expert NFL Draft analysis (with a generous helping of personality) from the ever-passionate Mel Kiper Jr.. The episode weaves together stories of awards, fan loyalty, college coaching drama, draft prospect assessments, and the state of sports media.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

I. Darius Rucker: Awards, Sports Fandom, and New Ventures

Segment: 03:32 - 14:53

1. Awards and (Lack of) Nominations

• Dan and Darius open with banter about being overlooked for a sports Emmy, paralleling the feeling of musicians missing out on big nominations.
• Darius shares personal experiences of expecting nominations (“if I told you” CMA letdown) and describes the awkward feeling in the audience when an anticipated win doesn't happen.
  • Memorable quote:
    “I feel like we’re the Miami Dolphins of Emmys. The Emmys make me cry.” – Dan Patrick [06:37]
  • Darius: “Except the Dolphins won in ’72.” [06:43]

2. Music, Loyalty, and Sports Talk

• Darius recounts winning his first Grammy (with Hootie & the Blowfish), clarifies Grammy tally confusion, and admits paying for an extra Grammy trophy.
  • “At the Grammys, I’m 100. Every time I’ve been nominated, I won.” – Darius Rucker [05:24]
• On lifelong Dolphins fandom: Despite team struggles, he’s unwavering, referencing memories of legendary players and joking about naming his daughter after Dan Marino.

3. London Fame & Tour Antics

• Darius describes playing the O2 Arena and the difference in recognition between the US and UK.
• Dan revisits a humorous memory: Show producer Todd accidentally sang two Hall & Oates songs at a Darius concert after a lost bet, puzzling the audience.
  • “Not that night.” – Dan Patrick, critiquing Todd’s vocal performance [09:04]

4. Nascar Investment

• Darius casually announces he’s a new investor/owner in NASCAR’s Legacy Motor Club with friend Jimmy Johnson.
  • “You’re Jimmy Johnson’s Michael Jordan.” – Dan Patrick [10:05]
  • Darius: “When I see Michael [Jordan], I’m like, ‘Hey, we gotta start a new club—African American NASCAR.’” [10:09]

5. South Carolina Ties and Bracket Misery

• Darius touches on involvement with South Carolina University and NIL fundraising concerts.
• Friendly trash talk about busted NCAA brackets and frequent fantasy sports failures.
  • “I’m doing this great bracket thing...I looked yesterday, man. I’m in last place. How’s that possible?” – Darius Rucker [12:30]
• On gambling:
  “No, Dan, I’m too scared to be broke to ever do anything...Not like that.” [13:06]

6. Old Friends & Nostalgia

• Lighthearted self-deprecation about losing hair (“You had hair when I knew you”), memories of the ’90s Cincinnati Reds, and the passage of time.
  • “Dude, you had hair when I knew you.” – Dan Patrick [14:21]
  • “If I could grow it back, I would. No. No way.” – Darius [14:45]

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II. Scott Fowler: The State of North Carolina Basketball & Football

Segment: 20:07 - 26:14

1. Coaching Upheaval at UNC

• Dan and Scott explore the decline of North Carolina basketball post-Roy Williams, the recent firing of Hubert Davis, and pressures from boosters/donors.
  • Scott:
    “Gradually and then all at once...Hubert wanted to stay...today’s climate is very impatient.” [20:53]
• Comparison with Duke’s seamless handoff and continuous success, making the local rivalry even more stressful for UNC.

2. Coaching Search Speculation

• Dan shares rumors about potential candidates: “Billy Donovan not in play, nor Brad Stevens...My source also threw in Michael Malone, Nate Oates...”
• Scott: “It’s got to be outside the family, Dan. You have to expand...you just need to be able to win and beat Duke.” [23:35]

3. Michael Jordan’s Actual Involvement

• Scott confirms MJ isn’t deeply involved, his focus having shifted to NASCAR (“that is where a lot of his focus lies”). [24:28]

4. Football, Bill Belichick, and Expectations

• Brief check-in on Carolina football under Bill Belichick, who’s expected to get at least two more years unless there’s a dramatic drop in team performance.

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III. Mel Kiper Jr.: NFL Draft Talk, Evaluations, and Sports Media Legacy

Segment: 30:31 - 45:50

1. NFL Draft Process: What Moves the Needle?

• Mel breaks down the waiting game on player workouts, injury info, and how little tweaks in evaluation shift draft stock:
  • “At this stage you better know who can play and who can’t...there’s a lot of mixed opinion.” [30:58]
• On wide receiver evaluation:
  • “Who catches the football?...It’s how you view projecting a college player into the NFL.” [31:52]

2. Quarterback Debate: Mendoza vs. Simpson

• Kiper praises Fernando Mendoza (Indiana) as both a great QB and story, dissecting his growth and playoff composure.
• On Ty Simpson (Alabama), Kiper contrasts inexperience and production.
  • “If you look at comps, it’d be kind of a Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan comp for Fernando Mendoza.” [36:38]
  • “You don’t get a free pass because you’re a rookie...they will chew you up and spit you out.” [37:26]

3. Running Back Philosophy and Jeremiah Love’s Value

• Dan pushes back on the old “don’t draft a running back high” philosophy. Mel admits he helped popularize that thinking, but concedes Jeremiah Love is unique—a true all-around threat worth a top pick.
  • “He is more than a running back…he is worthy of being the second pick, third pick, wherever it may be.” – Kiper [40:25]
  • “Christian McCaffrey...look what he’s done for the Niners.” [40:41]

4. Critique of Hall of Fame ‘Contributor’ Category

• Dan champions Mel for the Pro Football Hall of Fame contributor wing; Mel humbly defers credit to earlier pioneers and ESPN’s role in popularizing draft coverage.
  • “The only thing I did was I survived the hate.” [43:38]
  • “The one thing I did get right was how popular the draft would be.” [43:04]
• Both reminisce about the legendary voices in sports media (John Facenda, Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell) and their influence.

5. Passion & Legacy

• Dan notes Mel’s sustained enthusiasm:
  “You’re as passionate as you were when I first met you...” [45:32]
  • “When the passion dwindles down, I will walk away, pal. I guarantee you that.” – Mel Kiper Jr. [45:47]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I feel like we’re the Miami Dolphins of Emmys. The Emmys make me cry.” – Dan Patrick [06:37]
• “I’m gonna...ask Michael, man, we gotta start a new club. African American NASCAR.” – Darius Rucker [10:09]
• “Gradually and then all at once...today’s climate is very impatient.” – Scott Fowler [20:53]
• “If you look at comps, it’d be kind of a Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan comp for Fernando Mendoza.” – Mel Kiper Jr. [36:38]
• “He is more than a running back...he is worthy of being the second pick, third pick, wherever it may be.” – Mel Kiper Jr. [40:25]
• “The only thing I did was I survived the hate.” – Mel Kiper Jr. [43:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:32–14:53 – Darius Rucker interview (awards, Dolphins, music, NASCAR, gambling, and nostalgia)
• 20:07–26:14 – Scott Fowler’s state of North Carolina (UNC/Duke rivalry, coaching changes, MJ and NASCAR)
• 30:31–45:50 – Mel Kiper Jr. on the NFL Draft: receivers, QB evaluations, Jeremiah Love, and contributor legacy

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Episode Takeaways

• Loyalty and Resilience: Whether it’s Darius Rucker’s unwavering devotion to the Dolphins or Mel Kiper Jr.’s persistence through early skepticism about draft coverage, this episode highlights staying true to your passion—through both wins and snubs.
• Changing Landscapes: Scott Fowler’s discussion on North Carolina sports culture and Mel Kiper’s openness to evolving his own draft logic reflect shifting standards in sports, media, and fan expectations.
• Humor and Candor: Dan’s style brings out genuine stories and laughs—from backstage concert stories to playful barbs about hair loss—creating an authentic and engaging listen.

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For First-Time Listeners

You’ll be thoroughly entertained and brought up to speed on the latest in sports talk, with episodes always brimming with relatable stories, expertise, and a healthy dose of self-deprecating humor. Whether your interest is music, college basketball/football, or the intricacies of the NFL Draft, there’s something in this episode for everyone.

Transcript

[Dan Patrick]

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[Darius Rucker]

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[Dan Patrick]

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Darius Rucker Songs of Summer Tour. Visit Darius rucker dot com. Follow him on social media at. Darius Rucker, I know you're in London. I'm sure that the news has already gotten over there that we did not get nominated. Nominated for a sports semi.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, I woke up to that, you know, all over the BBC this morning. Oh, yeah, I heard about. I'm sorry, man. I understand, I understand. You know, it's funny, but I heard that. I was thinking. Because my song, if I told you, I really thought that song did have, like, I didn't write it, but I thought that song was going to get something. And when they didn't get the CMA nomination, I texted the writer and said, man, I'm sorry. You should have let somebody else cut that song.

[Dan Patrick]

You should add Chris Stapleton singing. Yeah, you should have.

[Darius Rucker]

Somebody else.

[Dan Patrick]

I was with you when you won your first Grammy in 1995.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And so Hooting the Blowfish. And that's when I. Were you up against the band Live for that?

[Darius Rucker]

No, for. I think the. If I remember, for best artist, it was, I think Alanis and. And. And I don't know if Live might have been in that too, but it was. Yeah, it was a good day.

[Dan Patrick]

But they should win an award for the best use of placenta in a song. I don't think too many artists have used that since then in a song.

[Darius Rucker]

No, I agree. You know, Devin, Notorious B.I.G. that's it.

[Dan Patrick]

But what's it like to win awards?

[Darius Rucker]

Oh, man, it's pretty cool.

[Dan Patrick]

Believe it or not.

[Darius Rucker]

Believe it or not, at the Grammys, I'm 100. Every time I've been nominated, I won't.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, great. Really happy for you.

[Darius Rucker]

I've only been nominated three times.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, you're three. Zero.

[Darius Rucker]

That's true. I am three. That's true. That's true. And like, a lot of people know, like, the Jimmy Carter. The Jimmy Carter spoken word album won a Grammy last year, and I'm the only. And I sang a song for it, and I was the only singer. I asked my management, I said, so they won the Grammy. Can I get the Grammy? He was like, yeah, you want to pay for it?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

I was like, I'll pay whatever it is.

[Darius Rucker]

I got four now.

[Dan Patrick]

What about CMAs? Have you been in the audience when they don't call your name?

[Darius Rucker]

No, no. Yeah, yeah, I have, but it's. But it's, you know, it's okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Darius Rucker]

I mean, you know me, man. I don't really expect to win. And so just being nominated is cool, but, you know, that's always cool.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But what about when you don't get nominated at all, like us?

[Darius Rucker]

That's.

[Scott Fowler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Rucker]

There's moments. Yeah. Like. Like I said, like the song. There's been songs I thought I should have gotten Nomin Native War and didn't. And it sucks.

[Dan Patrick]

But I feel like we're the Miami Dolphins of Emmys. The Emmys make me cry.

[Darius Rucker]

I see that. I get that. I get that. Except the Dolphins won in 72.

[Dan Patrick]

It doesn't seem that long ago, does it?

[Darius Rucker]

That was the layup, man. Yeah. Yeah. I say this all the time. The Dolphins. Last time the Dolphins won the super bowl, I was seven. I'm about 360.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you ever thought of bailing on the Miami door?

[Darius Rucker]

Never. Not once. Never in 1 in 13 season gutted me. The 1 in 15 season gutted me. But never.

[Dan Patrick]

But if Dan Marino wasn't your friend and you named your daughter after Dan Marino, would you still be a Dolphins fan?

[Darius Rucker]

Absolutely. Like, I love Dan Marino and he's one of my favorite. But I. I'm from greasy. And. And you know, Jim Kick and Mercury Morrison, you know, those who are my boys, you know, that was. That was my line of Dolphins. But. And, you know, but yeah, I would. I. I've never thought about leaving.

[Dan Patrick]

How big are you in London? Like, when you walk around, do you get noticed?

[Darius Rucker]

I get recognized every now and then, you know, not as. Definitely not like in the States, you know, And I played the O2. You know, I play the O2 arena when I play here, so, you know, I do okay over here. Yeah. Yeah. But it's definitely. I like the space.

[Dan Patrick]

And then I'll see you this summer. You'll be. Yeah. You'll be nearby in Bridgeport again.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Now.

[Darius Rucker]

And you're coming out.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, I'll come out. Now. We still would want to offer a sincere apology for the last time when Todd played the second song. So you paid up on a bet. And I told Todd, I said, todd, sing one Holland Oats song. Did you know he was going to sing a second Holland Oats song that night?

[Darius Rucker]

No, the band didn't even tell me. They didn't even tell me. It was awesome.

[Dan Patrick]

When you looked at me off stage when Fritzie's singing and you. You mouthed, you know, I pay up on my bets. And I felt bad because I. I think you realized it was funny in the moment when we made the bet, but it wasn't funny to the audience who had no idea who Todd was.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

That's true.

[Dan Patrick]

But.

[Darius Rucker]

But he's so good. But he's so good. That's the thing that's crazy is he's so good. He can really sing. And so.

[Dan Patrick]

Not that night. Not that night.

[Darius Rucker]

That was. I thought he sounded great. You know, it was a great night.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. How many lead singers sing with their hands in their pockets?

[Darius Rucker]

Pretty.

[Dan Patrick]

That's it. Like Freddie. Freddie Mercury didn't do it. Or Robert Plant or Jagger, but Todd had hands in his pants.

[Darius Rucker]

I can't think of one, but pretty does.

[Dan Patrick]

Congratulations, though, in order, though, with what you're doing over in London with the you got tour coming up.

[Darius Rucker]

Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

So be great.

[Darius Rucker]

Absolutely great to see you. Hey, this is. I just tell you something real quick. It's funny. Like, 10 minutes before I was coming on, I'm just sitting around and I'm thinking about it. I was like, hey, man, I got.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

You know.

[Darius Rucker]

You know, I'm real good friends with Jimmy Johnson. You know, it takes Jimmy and ask if this is okay because we just decided to do this and, you know, we can announce now that I'm one of the investors and one of the owners of Legacy Motor Club. So. So, you know, I don't ask cartoons. They look at me also.

[Dan Patrick]

You're. You're Jimmy Johnson's Michael Jordan.

[Darius Rucker]

Absolutely. This is. You will love this. I said, I'm gonna. When I see Michael, I'm like, hey, Michael, man, we gotta start a new club. African American nascar.

[Dan Patrick]

It's not. It doesn't take long to call roll.

[Darius Rucker]

Probably meetings in Vegas, get to play goal.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what? Get Tyler Perry. Maybe he could get involved here.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

But I love.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, I love it. You know how much I love motorsport, you know, which I've lived in NASCAR for years, so this is pretty cool for me.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I didn't know that. I know you sing there.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, I've been to a lot of races and stuff, and I got a lot of friends, you know, when that story. But yeah, this is. This is pretty cool. And I'm Southern, man. Come on.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. We were talking about this with Michael Jordan. How involved is he at North Carolina? Hubert Davis getting fired. And I'm curious, how. How involved are you with South Carolina?

[Darius Rucker]

It's not like that, you know, what I say would make a difference, but I get. I get texts. Like, when. When things are getting tough. They. They check how. I mean, it doesn't. I don't think it would really matter, but they check what I would think. Yes, I would say that.

[Dan Patrick]

But, like, investing, you know, can. Can you do. Be part of the collective there? I know you. You got like, some train car that you party in when you go to South Carolina football.

[Darius Rucker]

I don't. Part of the collective. I'm playing a show there. Hey, There you go. April 11th, I'm playing a show at the. At the basketball arena for four. The Collective. For the nil. For the nil thing. And.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, yeah, I. I think I got. Not a lot of. I got, like, I tell you one thing, I got a lot of national championship rings that are gaudy as.

[Dan Patrick]

Hello, did you get. Wait, you got a wedding ring on?

[Darius Rucker]

Oh, that's just my. A ring to work out.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Darius Rucker]

I am not married. No, I did not get married. You will know.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Darius Rucker]

All right. You will know.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Darius Rucker]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

How's your bracket, by the way?

[Darius Rucker]

Not good. Not good. But, you know, who's this good? And this is me, Dan. This is like, so me, you know, like, I'm in seven fantasy leagues and make the playoff in one. I do this league. I do. I'm doing this great bracket thing with some buddies of mine, but there's 14 of us, and we do a lot of sports stuff together, and we're doing a bracket. I looked yesterday, man. I'm in last place. How's that possible?

[Dan Patrick]

And you gamble, too?

[Darius Rucker]

Oh, man, yeah, I gamble. I gamble. And, yeah, I'm still going to do this. Me and my buddy that played golf with Said we're going to start a website, and it's going to be. We have a great name for. It's going to be the bets I make, and it's going to be. I'm going to tell you an hour before the game starts what best I'm going to make, and you should go against me, and that's going to be the whole website.

[Dan Patrick]

But do you bet, like, Barkley level? No, man.

[Darius Rucker]

No, Dan, you know, I'm too scared to be broke to ever do anything. Like. We broke again? No, no, not at all. But, you know, it's got to be enough to. To hurt.

[Dan Patrick]

But.

[Darius Rucker]

But not like that.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, If I said the Dolphins can win a Super bowl or the Reds can win the World Series since you have your Cincinnati Reds T shirt on.

[Darius Rucker]

Oh, Dolphins. Super.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Darius Rucker]

Oh, definitely. Yeah, Dolphins. I love the Reds. I hope he wins World Series. But, yeah, Dolphins football.

[Dan Patrick]

But you love Barry Larin, don't you?

[Darius Rucker]

My favorite baseball player of all time. Yes, I love Barry Larkin. That 90s team, man. That 90s team. Are you kidding me? Great team.

[Dan Patrick]

Eric Davis.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah, Eric Davis. That whole team. And then the. The picture from the A's saying after they get swept, you know, the thing that sucks is the best team didn't win. You just lost four games in a row. Yeah, that was a great team.

[Dan Patrick]

When are you coming back stateside?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

All of.

[Darius Rucker]

All of April. Got chills and stuff to do, so, you know, we need to get together, man.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, we will, because we're getting old, bro.

[Darius Rucker]

We're getting old.

[Dan Patrick]

You are.

[Darius Rucker]

You. You're older than me.

[Dan Patrick]

Dude, you had hair when I knew you.

[Darius Rucker]

That was pretty cool, too.

[Dan Patrick]

It was. No, it. It's so weird.

[Darius Rucker]

Awful.

[Dan Patrick]

It's so weird to see you with hair back then, dude.

[Darius Rucker]

You remember. Remember I was wearing the hair and I had the cul de sac growing right here. What is wrong with me? Bad days. Bad days.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you don't miss your hair, do you?

[Darius Rucker]

Not at all. If I could grow it back, I would. No. No way. No, I don't miss it.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks for joining us.

[Darius Rucker]

Love you, man.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll talk to you soon.

[Darius Rucker]

Real soon.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, thank you, bud. That's Darius Rucker.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Be sure to catch the live edition

[Dan Patrick]

of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Paulie Fusco here with Tony Fusco.

[Dan Patrick]

Yo, as everybody knows, we're the host

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

of the award winning Paulie and Tony Fusco show.

[Darius Rucker]

Yeah.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

But instead of us telling you how great we are, here's how Dan Patrick described us when he came on our show.

[Dan Patrick]

Quick, knowledgeable, and funny. Opinionated. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

What are you doing? You're interrupting our promo.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Oh, yeah? Well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you out and beat you. Let me put this into context.

[Dan Patrick]

Shut up. Yeah.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Anyway, just listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on iHeartRadio Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Scott Fowler]

Well, Dan, first of all, you're nominated in my book. Absolutely.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Scott. Thank you.

[Scott Fowler]

Sorry I'm not getting any of those burritos, but I think the answer to that question is clear. 85% of those people are indeed right. It football is worse off. I mean whoever they hire here as a, you know, as the basketball coach, this is remains one of the five best jobs in college sports. And, and I have confidence that the program will return to some prominence. But right now it's obviously lost some luster. Really has.

[Dan Patrick]

How did that happen?

[Scott Fowler]

You know, I think that's a good question. Gradually and then all at once I think it became after Roy left, they have not quite figured out how to sustain it. You know, Hubert Davis had a great first year and the last four years have been sort of trying to recapture that magic. And the last these two first round exits in a row. And in today's environment, I don't think this would have happened 20 years ago. I don't think you get fired for something like this. And make no mistake, he was ousted. This was not Hubert, you know, a parting of the ways. This was Hubert wanted to stay. But yeah, I think in today's climate it's very impatient, you know, a lot of impatience, a lot of donors and boosters with a lot of influence and that's where we are.

[Dan Patrick]

And you're measured by the school eight miles down the road and they made a seamless transition from their hall of Fame coach to John Shire. They've come up with incredible recruiting classes here. So having that, the proximity, if I'm a donor, a booster, a collective, I'm only measuring North Carolina. I'm not measuring North Carolina with anybody else in America, only with Duke. That's a tough comparison, Scott.

[Scott Fowler]

Absolutely. I think you're right on the money there, Dan. He if Duke was in New York or something, you know, it, it doesn't, it's not the same. But because that is the blue blood rivalry to end all rivalries around here. And Duke has been so darn good and they're good again and they might win another championship. And plus, damn, they're they seem to have employed the best player and employee, literally employ the best player in America. Like now it's been two years in a row with Cooper Flag and Boozer and Carolina had one of those players and if Caleb Wilson hadn't gotten hurt, not sure that Hubert Davis would have, this would have happened. But it did. I was at the game in Greenville when they blew the 19 point lead and even then I was in that post game press conference and asked one of those questions too. And oh, it was, it was bad news. One of the, one of the low points of press conferences I've ever seen.

[Dan Patrick]

Let me give you what information I got this morning from a source saying I don't imagine Billy Donovan is in play, nor Brad Stevens, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona, Josh Shirts at St. Louis make sense. My source also threw in Michael Malone feels like a super creative, capable option as well. Nate Oates feels like he's not controlling his situation. Todd golden appears to be possessed by spirits when he coaches. What do you, what do you make of that information?

[Scott Fowler]

Well, it's a lot of fun to speculate right now. I can't tell you I know anything about really who, where they're going to go next. Except and I wrote this today in our in my Charlotte observer column. It's got to be outside the family, Dan. They're just no, there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings inside the Carolina Blue Umbrella. You have to expand and all the people you're talking about are, you know, not in the really in the umbrella. But people always are like, oh, only, you know, I went to unc. I don't need to have a UNC coach. You know, somebody who knows where the old well is you just need to be able to win and you have to be able to beat Duke and you have to get out of the, of the NCAA tournament every single year.

[Dan Patrick]

Scott Fowler, Charlotte observer sports columnist how involved is Michael Jordan in the basketball program?

[Scott Fowler]

I don't think terribly involved. I mean, he can of course, step in and, and help and be involved anytime he wants to be. But my conversations with Michael, and I've seen a fair amount of him because he's so involved in his NASCAR team right now. He was at, you know, he won the big NASCAR trial here in Charlotte in December and now is 14 of six races in NASCAR. I mean, that is, that is where a lot of his focus lies. He wants them to get it right, obviously. But I don't think Michael Jordan is the man behind the curtain pulling the strings here.

[Dan Patrick]

Haven't heard much about Bill Belichick and Carolina football. Is that a good thing?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Probably good, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. They finished okay, didn't they?

[Scott Fowler]

I mean, I guess it wasn't an abject disaster by the end, but they were still about 4 and 8. I think I'm remembering that record. Right. You know, the funny thing is they opened spring practice yesterday and then Hubert got fired at night the same very same day. They'll probably be a little better. I think Belichick has, is going to learn from some mistakes there, but that's one where I just, you know, I just don't know that that's honestly going to work out long term.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I was wondering what is long term?

[Scott Fowler]

Yeah, I mean, I think he's got one more year for sure and then probably a third and then it better be right at that point. But if they went 2 and 10 this year, all bets are off. But if they're 6 and 6, which may be more like what it's going to be, I think he gets a third year.

[Dan Patrick]

Is he getting married?

[Scott Fowler]

I don't know, Dan. If so, I'm not advised.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I've been either. Thank you, Scott. Thanks for joining us. Great to see you again.

[Scott Fowler]

Great to see you. Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

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Shop now we make way for Mel Kuiper, draft expert and you can see him the NFL draft daily and the mock draft dropping on Tuesday, April 14th. Great to see you again, Mel. Give me the the one thing that would make you change your opinion now that no games are played leading up to the draft, but what information changes where you slot somebody in the draft?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Dan first well, great to be with you as always. I think the only thing you want to wait on is guys that didn't do much at the combine that what do they do during their pro days? Anything you hear from an interview, anything you hear about an injury late Dan, could alter some things. Certainly at this stage of the game, you better know who can play and who can't play. It's all those little things that you could tweak it with. I'm coming up in another week with a top 150. I'll do that every year. And those rankings, you lose some sleepover band at the end of the day. So many players in this draft are within a range where you could go one way or the other. You're always splitting hairs. This is one of those drafts where, you know, it's a lot of mixed opinion and there's very few positions where you have tremendous depth in the day three. But wide receiver is one of those. And trying to separate 45 receivers to end and have draftable grades is not easy.

[Dan Patrick]

But what is the one thing, though, that separates wide receivers?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Well, in this particular draft, when you look at the guys that have the production and the consistency, you got to catch the ball. And I understand people say, hey, you always have a couple drops that are concentration drops who catches the football? And you also have to weigh in what was responsible for that. And you look at a Zachariah Branch, who I love, he went to the gauntlet, he caught the ball at the combine so effortlessly. But say, well, he had a couple drives, he's a bubble screen guy. He doesn't throw the ball down the field. So it's how you view projecting a college player, Dan into the NFL. And if you remember back not that long ago, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, Jackson, Smith and Jigba, who's offensive player of the year, Quentin Johnson, they were all first rounders. There were some experts that none of them deserve to be in the first round. So all four turns, three to four turn up. Be great. So at the end of the day, mixed opinion reigns supreme this year. More than other than any other Dan that I can ever remember because there's so many guys with very similar grades and one little bit of information can swing it one way or the other.

[Dan Patrick]

Is Fernando Menstor Mendoza a great story or a great quarterback or both?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

I think he's both. I think he's a great story. He's a great quarterback. To see him, what he did at Cal, to watch him, and I did

[Scott Fowler]

that the other day, I went back

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

the sacks that he took and it was like 41 sacks at Cal and he goes to Indiana. He knows he has to improve on that and he did so that that year in college really benefited him from that standpoint. Dan, late in plays, how consistent he was, making the right decision late in the play was outstanding. The way he did under pressure in games, I would say, well, they won in some cakewalks, right? They didn't against Penn State, they didn't get Oregon. There were games that were hotly contested. He had to make plays late. Iowa's defense will frustrate the hell out of you, Dan. They really will. Phil Parker does a great job. Look what they did against Dante Moore. You think about quarterbacks against Iowa and again, he did what he had to do late in that game. So for me, he answered every question that you had from Cal to Indiana because we had great talent. We'll go into the year. I know Omar Cooper Jr. Could be a first round receiver. Elijah Surratt's a good, probably a third round receiver. Yeah. Roman Hemby came from Maryland, did a good job run the ball and Caitlin Black did a good job as well being that one, two punch. But for me, Fernando Mendoza, for what he did from start to finish with the pressure and in the playoffs, Dan, eight touchdown passes, no picks and a rushing touchdown. And he was at 75% in the three biggest games of the year. At the end of the season, if

[Dan Patrick]

you were drafting him on what you saw at Cal, not Indiana, where would Mendoza go?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Well, he probably, you know, going into the Year you hoped he would improve. If he would have just come out after the Cal year, you probably would have been thinking maybe because of the talent that he had, he showed what he could do at Cal. Even when he had some situations that weren't benefiting the quarterback he had to deal with. I'm talking about pressure from the defensive front. He still probably would have been a second round pick, late first round pick. So he was a guy that people thought, I'm on people in the NFL, my friends in the league. Dan thought back in August he could be a guy to keep a close eye on. But there were other guys that were talking about Arch Matting being the number one pick guaranteed. You know, you're talking about Sam Levitt coming off that great year at Arizona State, Lenora Sellers at South Carolina. Tons of quarterbacks were talked about a lot more than Ty Simpson from Alabama and certainly Fernando Mendoza from Indiana. And now all of a sudden got Mendoza's number one on my big board, Dan. And Ty Simpson's 25 on my big board.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, that's a big disparity, one to 25. Dan Orlovsky loves him some Ty Simpson. What is Orlovsky seeing that maybe you're not seeing?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Yeah, I know Dan, when he explained it and I just went back away, I would counter that you say, okay, you know, the factors that you have to look at closely. You know, who's the bigger quarterback? Four inches, nearly four inches taller, 25 pounds heavier. You think about the experience, Dan. Fifteen starts is a dangerous, risky number for Ty Simpson. Look at the, look at the, you know, the seven, eight quarterbacks that had below 20 starts and look how they fared. Not well. So again, that's a risky number. Fernando has 35 starts. Dan, he had a completion of 72%. Ty was around 64%. Seven rushing touchdowns for Fernando, two for Simpson. So you talk about accuracy, you talk about decision making, you talk about being able to see the field, dealing with pressure. How about expectations, Dan? When you're an Indiana quarterback and you roll through the year and you get to the playoffs, everybody's saying after what happened last year, okay, when Indiana had a great regular season, they lose a Notre Dame. Well, let's see if Indiana can f finished a job. Now they're playing big time opponents. He did that with all that pressure, then he wins the Heisman, then he has to go win a national title. Right. He always talked about cracking the code and he is obsessed with that. He kind of has that Peyton Manning ability in that regard to just be so into what he's doing and study it so hard. He's got a little Matt Ryan in him. So I think if you look at comps, it would be kind of a Peyton Manning Matt Ryan comp for Fernando Mendoza. Dan explained it. I don't agree. Everybody has their opinion. I was big on Shador Sanders last year. I thought Shador played well. This year we'll see how it plays out for Ty Simpson. I think Evan, with 15 starts, Shador at 60, 15 starts, you need to have a chance to transition to the NFL. Another year at Alabama I think would have helped him. He had five straight games then where he had a fumble lost and then he had another fumble loss which was a six against Indiana in the playoff game when he got hit by the Angelo Pons and cracked that rib. So there was. That's an area he could have improved upon. You get sacked to cough it up. Can't do that in the NFL where you're expected to end the NFL. And you guys know, you talk about every week, guy has a bad game, what happened, he's not playing well. You were scrutinized. You are picked apart and you're expected to play at a consistently high level every week in the NFL. And you don't get a free pass because you're a rookie or a second year quarterback in this league. They will chew you up and spit you out before you can blink. You better be prepared to deal with that mental part as opposed to the physical part. Mendoza went back, got another year, improved in that key area. Ty Simpson, I think needed another year.

[Dan Patrick]

He's not going to get it.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

So you better be patient with Ty Simpson and realize to force him in this year as a rookie. And they all do, Dan, they are going to play. Maybe asking a little too much if

[Dan Patrick]

Arch Manning was available in this draft.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

You know that's a tough question. That's a very difficult question because of what you expect Arch to be this coming year based on the talent, the way he can run. But he's got to improve that accuracy and the decision. All the things that another year is going to be. I was so happy. That's why I never put him on the one, the big board. Dan, I never put him in anything because I said he's got to go back. Archie said that back in August. Don't put him in. He needs another year. So the expectations and the struggles back. Remember early in the year I was building him up to be the trifecta. Dan, he was going to win a Heisman Trophy. He was going to be the number one pick in the draft and he was going to lead the Texas to a national title. Are you kidding me? Really? That's what you're going to put on his shoulders? And he didn't accomplish that. So again now he's going back. So had it gone the way he expected? He'd been clear cut, number one Guy, Dan throwing talent, but he didn't have that kind of year. It was uneven. Started out pretty bad and then it got better. And you saw glimpses of Guy, he's going to be the guaranteed number one pick this coming year. But to say, you know, assume that was going to happen, it didn't happen. It didn't come together. So he'd have been right there with Mentos. And I think that's minimizing how good Fernando is. Daniel, when you say automatically put arch ahead of Mendoza, it's not a force. He's not up there because he's a quarterback and the Raiders have to take a quarterback. Mendoza is there because he earned it and he's got a lot of talent. And when you got comps the Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan, that tells you all you need to know.

[Dan Patrick]

Mel Kuiper, draft expert. You can catch his NFL Mock Draft 4.0 dropping on Tuesday, April 14th. I fell in love with Jeremiah Love when I saw him in person. And I know, I think you have him as your second highest rated player behind Mendoza. I know that the philosophy is don't take a running back up that high. But I have somebody who is unique and different than anybody else. It feels like in the draft I just don't, I don't understand that, that if I'm Tennessee, I mean I gotta have that guy. I can't go, oh, I gotta worry about a second contract. The NFL is about now in the next two years it feels like with these guys and coaches. So why wouldn't he go? Well, how high do you think Jeremiah Love will go and should go?

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Dan, you know who's responsible for that philosophy? I am.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

That was the philosophy that started 25 years ago. And I got screamed at, screamed at, yelled at, told all kind of stuff. And I really believed that back in those days you could, I'll kind of come around. Not come around, but I'm agreeing with you on this point. He's more than a running back. If he were not a great receiving option, I'd be saying no, no, he has not multi dimensional enough. But as a receiving option, I'm talking about swing passes, screen passes, Dan, check downs, I'm talking about putting him out in the slot, putting wide. He can do that. So for me, because he's so more than just a running back, he is worthy of being the second pick, third pick to Arizona, fourth pick to Tennessee, seventh pick to Washington, wherever it may be. So for me, yes, Christian McCaffrey, say, for Washington, came there, you know, came to the 49ers, right. And look what he's done for the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, who was the GM. Adam Peters. Adam Peters is at Washington. Adam Peters has some serviceable backs, but he doesn't have a Jeremiah Love for Jaden Daniels, who's a fear factor quarterback. You put a fear factor player, weapon like Jeremiah Love with Jaden Daniels, you got something special going on there and so much for defenses to worry about. So I'm with you on Jeremiah Love. He's the second best player in the draft behind Mendoza. For me, something that he's the best player in this draft. So again, he's more than worthy of being a top four. Certainly if he gets down to seven, it would be almost, you know, how long you have to wait for Washington to take that card up because that would make perfect sense for them.

[Dan Patrick]

NFL hall of Fame contributors to the game. I keep talking about you. I never reached out to you, but I felt this strongly about Brent Musburger and went to the hall of Fame and wrote a letter. You should be in the hall of Fame one day as a contributor to the game.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Well, I appreciate that, Dan, and I know Adam's mentioned. I appreciate that you've been great friends for all these years, but I just feel like I don't want any part of anything. I just want to do what I do. Joe Bushbound was there before me. Joe was great, late great. Joel Bushbound started this a long time ago. There are plenty of other people doing this before me. I just got an opportunity from ESPN to take it to the entire world and be somebody that was talking about the draft on television, radio and then the dot com and all the different entities we do it on. So it is something that, you know, I will say, Stan, the one thing I did get right was how popular the draft would be when everybody was fighting against espn. Don't televise it. Nobody wants to hear names called. Everybody was fighting against me. Why is anybody watching the draft? Why does anybody care what Kuyper says? I dealt with that hostility, negativity and hate up until really the early 2000s, Dan, when even the haters had to just shut up or jump on Board because they hated on me. I started this in 1978. 79, Dan. And to be able to. I just say. Only thing I did was I survived the hate. Because if I read you the scathing articles and the comments that were made from Roy 79 up until 2000, it would say, how did you last that long? I took a lot of hits in the pocket, Dan. Appreciate that, pal. I certainly. I would rather avoid anything that comes my way from an individual stand because too many people at ESPN along the way contributed to what the draft has become. To say I'm responsible now it's the NFL, the king of all sports, and ESPN doing what they did from the get go, recognizing what this could be and having that vision and then the production and all the blood, sweat and tears that went on to putting this on television. Those guys, all guys and gals, those men and women deserve all the credit.

[Dan Patrick]

Sounds like an acceptance speech right there. I mean, that's like, I'm.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Don't do this to me, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

But I. Okay, I. I wrote a letter about John Fasenda. I said he should be in the hall of Fame. And the number of people said he's not in the hall of Fame. And the hall of Fame, to their credit, found a way to get John Fasenda.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Oh, my God, that voice. Are you kidding me, Dan?

[Dan Patrick]

They went in the hall of Fame. That's. He might be. When you talk about contributors, all those NFL films, everything that we saw, I mean, I mean, they were magical growing up. And I just thought voices, Dan.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Yes. Led us, led me to become. I said this to Bill Fleming. Remember Bill Fleming, the great Bill Fleming. When I taught, I called him specifically to tell him that. That he. The College Football Today, that half an hour show where you saw games before Brent, Before NFL Today, right? It was a half hour before seeing the bands and half the. That's what led me and led a lot of people to becoming college football fans, right? And NFL fans and Howard Cosell and Monday Night Football and Don Meredith way up. Turn out the lights. And all the voices of college football and the NFL, Chris Schenkel. You think about Bud Wilkinson. By the way, I took over for Bud doing the draft. When Bud Wilkinson retired, I took over that spot, right? And you think about, they say, Lindsay Nelson and all the incredible, incredible voices, Keith Jackson, that were responsible for us all becoming great college and pro football fans that we are. So you're right. John Fasenda. Nobody had that voice. Nobody will ever touch that.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks again. Continue to have the passion that's the one thing that leaves us, I think as we get older, the passion. And you're as passionate as you were when I first met you, when I first got to the mothership. So thank you again for doing what you do, Mel.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

When the passion dwindles down, I will walk away, pal. I guarantee you that.

[Dan Patrick]

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