The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

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• Title: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show
• Host: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
• Release Date: May 27, 2025
• Description: A compilation of standout moments from Dan Patrick's daily radio show, featuring in-depth discussions on sports, pop culture, and insightful interviews with A-list guests from the realms of sports and entertainment.

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1. Gut Health and Mental Well-being ([02:05] - [03:14])

The episode kicks off with a segment focused on the intricate relationship between gut microbiome and mental health. Host Jim Jackson highlights the profound impact that healthy bacteria in the gut can have on various aspects of well-being, including immunity and disease risk.

• Jim Jackson: “Your gut microbiome and those healthy bacteria can actually have positive effects. Your mental health, your immunity, your risk of cancer, almost any disease under the sun.” ([02:05])

Dan Patrick introduces Clayton English, who delves deeper into the world of probiotics, examining the hype versus the scientific facts.

• Clayton English: “This week on Dope Labs, TT and I dive into the world of probiotics. The hype, the science, and what your gut bacteria are really doing behind the scenes.” ([02:15])

Expert insight is provided by Dr. Roshi Raj, a gastroenterologist, who helps discern legitimate probiotic benefits from mere marketing gimmicks.

2. NBA Playoffs Analysis ([05:12] - [55:12])

a. Thunder vs. Timberwolves ([05:12] - [09:02])

The primary discussion centers around the intense matchup between the Oklahoma City Thunder (OKC) and the Minnesota Timberwolves, focusing on Anthony Edwards' performance and OKC's defensive strategies.

• Dan Patrick: “[...] the Thunder go up on the Timberwolves. SGA gets 40 and his MVP tonight...” ([04:46])

Jim Jackson emphasizes the effectiveness of OKC’s defense in limiting Edwards' scoring opportunities.

• Jim Jackson: “If you want the most overrated player in the NBA, it's not my guy, Tyrese Halliburton. It's Rudy Gobert and the Go Bears.” ([08:27])

Edwards' aggressive playstyle is highlighted, noting his 16 cuts to the lane, all of which were countered by OKC's strategic double-teaming.

• Dan Patrick: “I saw a stat on Anthony Edwards. He drove to the lane like 16 times, which means he is being aggressive. But on all 16 of those times, they rotated over a double team.” ([08:27])

b. Knicks vs. Pacers Game 4 ([09:02] - [11:00])

The discussion shifts to the Knicks' performance against the Pacers, analyzing key players and pivotal moments that led to a narrow victory.

• Jim Jackson: “Can it be duplicated? We don't know. But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win, you don't turn it over...” ([46:49])

Clifton English and Jim Jackson provide their insights, praising the Knicks for their balanced attack and defensive plays in the fourth quarter.

c. Anthony Edwards' Role and OKC's Defense ([50:11] - [51:40])

Further analysis of Edwards' role and the defensive measures employed by OKC to neutralize their star player.

• Clayton English: “That's very mature of Anthony Edwards, and it's a correct analysis being this OKC made it a point in particular...” ([50:11])

The conversation underscores the importance of team defense over relying solely on star players, highlighting Lou Dort's efforts in containing Edwards.

d. Personal Anecdotes and NBA Legends ([35:29] - [54:17])

Clayton English shares personal stories about interactions with NBA legends like Dr. J, illustrating the camaraderie and memorable moments behind the scenes.

• Jim Jackson: “We get there on shore, eventually the bear's gone... ” ([15:40])

• Clayton English: “Think about that, Dan. If he would have stayed with the Hawks, how history could have been different.” ([38:44])

These narratives add a personal touch, offering listeners a glimpse into the rich history and personal relationships within the NBA community.

3. College Football Playoff System ([21:29] - [31:44])

In an insightful interview with Ross Dellinger, Yahoo Sports' senior college football reporter, the episode explores the evolving landscape of college football playoffs.

• Ross Dellinger: “We're talking about the playoffs, the number of teams and any other ancillary items...” ([22:00])

Dan Patrick discusses the potential shift from a 12-team to a 16-team playoff system, examining the implications for major conferences like the SEC and Big Ten.

• Dan Patrick: “We know this year we're going to have the same format... but starting in 2026 and beyond where the conversation is around 16 teams.” ([22:00])

Key topics include:

• Automatic Qualifiers: Four teams each from the Big Ten and SEC, two from the ACC and Big 12, one Group of Six champion, and three at-large bids.

• Financial Implications: The influence of private equity firms proposing a "Super League" to infuse $9 billion into college athletics.

• Future Projections: Anticipated changes in media rights and centralized leadership within college sports over the next five to seven years.

4. All-Star Game Evolution ([40:18] - [43:13])

Clayton English and Jim Jackson debate the future of the NBA All-Star Game, proposing innovative formats to enhance competitiveness and viewer engagement.

• Clayton English: "What makes it a small mouth? Pass. How big is a big mouth bass then?" ([12:14])

• Jim Jackson: “Because the ball moved a lot more late in that fourth quarter... opportunities to be able to score...” ([46:49])

They consider a potential format where international players form opposing teams against American players, aiming to inject more meaning and competitive spirit into the event.

• Jim Jackson: “...what have you got to lose? Like, we've already lost the All Star Game. Maybe you can get it back.” ([40:25])

5. Personal Stories and Reflections ([35:29] - [54:17])

The hosts reminisce about iconic basketball moments and personal experiences, enhancing the show's engaging and personable atmosphere.

• Jim Jackson: “Have you met Dr. J?” ([37:29])

• Clayton English: “I wanted to try to have an afro like Dr. J...” ([38:44])

These segments provide a nostalgic look back at basketball history, celebrating legendary players and memorable interactions.

6. Listener Engagement and Polls ([06:16] - [11:00])

Interactive discussions and polls engage the audience, inviting listeners to weigh in on pivotal sports debates.

• Dan Patrick: “We could start in the NBA. Which is more true? The Thunder shut Anthony Edwards down or Anthony Edwards needs to step up?” ([06:16])

The hosts analyze listener opinions, fostering a community-driven conversation around current sports events.

7. Anecdotes and Storytelling ([15:40] - [16:09])

A thrilling recount of an encounter with a Komodo bear, blending wildlife storytelling with personal adventure.

• Jim Jackson: “So here's Dan's story time... the bear walked out, and...” ([16:09])

This narrative showcases the hosts' diverse interests beyond sports, adding depth and variety to the show.

Conclusion

"The Best of The Dan Patrick Show" offers a rich tapestry of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and engaging discussions. From dissecting NBA playoff strategies and debating the future of college football to sharing memorable encounters with basketball legends and thrilling wildlife adventures, the episode delivers comprehensive and entertaining content. Notable highlights include Jim Jackson's harrowing bear encounter ([15:40]), the strategic breakdown of Anthony Edwards' performance ([08:27], [50:11]), and the insightful conversation with Ross Dellinger on college football's evolving playoff system ([22:00]). This compilation serves as an excellent entry point for new listeners and a delightful recap for longtime fans.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jim Jackson ([08:27]): “If you want the most overrated player in the NBA, it's not my guy, Tyrese Halliburton. It's Rudy Gobert and the Go Bears.”

• Dan Patrick ([08:27]): “I saw a stat on Anthony Edwards. He drove to the lane like 16 times, which means he is being aggressive. But on all 16 of those times, they rotated over a double team.”

• Clayton English ([22:00]): “The Big Ten and SEC would benefit from the 4,4,2,2,1 playoff model, but there’s a fight brewing with the Big 12 and ACC wanting more teams.”

• Jim Jackson ([40:19]): “I dunked on Dr. J. How cool is that?”

• Clayton English ([41:19]): “The negative to me is that you have to search for a way for guys to play hard and search for incentive to make the game interesting.”

This structured summary captures the essence of the episode, ensuring clarity and coherence for those who haven't listened to the show.

Transcript

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

Your gut, microbiome and those healthy bacteria.

[Dan Patrick]

Can actually have positive effects. Your mental health, your immunity, your risk of cancer, almost any disease under the sun.

[Clayton English]

This week on Dope Labs, TT and.

[Dan Patrick]

I dive into the world of probiotics. The hype, the science, and what your.

[Clayton English]

Gut bacteria are really doing behind the scenes.

[Jim Jackson]

From drinks and.

[Dan Patrick]

And gummies to probiotic pillows. Yes, really, probiotic pillows. We're breaking down what's legit and what's.

[Jim Jackson]

Just brilliant marketing with expert Insight from.

[Clayton English]

Gastroenterologist Dr. Roshi Raj.

[Jim Jackson]

Listen to Dope Labs on the iHeartRadio.

[Dan Patrick]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jim Jackson]

And it's gonna take us to heal us.

[Clayton English]

It's mental health awareness month. And on a recent episode of just heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's disc delivered peace on her journey.

[Dan Patrick]

I never let that little girl inside of me die.

[Clayton English]

To hear this and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Running down some of the headlines here. The thunder go up on the Timberwolves. SGA gets 40 and his MVP tonight, the Knicks are getting two and a half. Well, from the bookies from, from Vegas, they don't start out up two and a half. Nothing. No, they don't. That would be great, though, if they did. Yeah. Are we ever going to get to that point with gambling that you start out with? That's the point spread and, you know, make it easier on us so we can understand when there's, you know, a bad beat. You never hear good beats, do you? You always hear a bad beat. Scott Van Pelt always talks about a bad beat. Although if you're a gambler and I'm an ex gambler, you do love telling people about the. The bets that you won. You normally don't talk about the bets you lost. Like, I can't imagine Drake or Floyd Mayweather saying, hey, let me tell you about the time I lost a half a million on the Raptors or something. But Knicks are getting two and a half of the Pacers, game four. And Tyrese Halliburton's dad gets to come back. How about that? But he doesn't go. He can't go on the floor. He has to be up in a suite. I don't know if they make him sit, like, in row eight of the suite. Like, he can't even Sit in the front row of the suite, but his dad will be in the building. The Knicks at the Pacers. Game 4 Thunder dominated. @ least it looked like they dominated. Until you look at what happened and you get 40 from SGA, you got balanced attack from the Thunder, and you hold on to win this one by two. NBA teams that take a three one series lead back home for game five win 75% of the time. It felt like every time I covered the Bulls with Michael Jordan. Did I ever tell you that I covered the Bulls with Michael Jordan? Did I, Polly? Do you remember that?

[Dan Patrick]

I'd heard about it, some type of show, talked about it.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Yes, I, I covered the Bulls. It felt like every time that they could close out a series on the road, they never did. For some reason, even though Jordan never went to a Game 7. But 75% of the time, the team that takes a 31 series lead back home for Game 5, they win 75% of the time. So Shea Gilgis scores 40 and the first Thunder player to score at least 40 in a playoff game since Russell Westbrook Jr. The third did that against Utah back in 2018. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. And for over 40 years, they've been helping you get the best tires. Helping customers find the right tires for how and what and where you drive. Ship fast and free. Backed by free road hazard protection, convenient installation options like mobile tire installation, tire rack.com the way tire buying should be. All right, Seaton Poll question if you would do us the honors for the first hour? Sure.

[Dan Patrick]

We could start in the NBA. Which is more true? The Thunder shut Anthony Edwards down or Anthony Edwards needs to step up?

[Jim Jackson]

You know, it's rare when we will compliment or credit the defense. We tend to look at the star player and say, what's up? What happened? Now his, his shots per game have been going down each series. That to me is a little worrisome. If he plays at his normal level, then they pull out that win. But keep in mind his teammates had a great performance, so they were making shots. And I'm going to give credit to the defense with OKC Lou Dort. All he's doing is trying to stay with Ant man. That's it. And I think that's the key, is he's not worried about anything other than Anthony Edwards. And Anthony Edwards even said after the game that he didn't particularly have a bad game. But here is the Timberwolves star.

[Clayton English]

I don't look at it like I.

[Jim Jackson]

Struggled or he struggled.

[Clayton English]

It just. They had a good game plan, making us get off the ball. Especially for me, man, it was super in gaps. I made the right play all night. So I don't really look at it like I struggled. I didn't get enough shots to say I struggled. So that's my. That might be how you guys look.

[Dan Patrick]

At it, but, yeah, I'm struggling. It's just I made the right play.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, he had six assists, but I. I do need him to score more, be more aggressive, and he said he was trying to take it to the hoop, but they play great defense, help defense. The gaps, they're really tight with that. Chad Holmgren has done a great job, but give credit. OKC is the best defensive team in the NBA. They're proving that.

[Dan Patrick]

Now.

[Jim Jackson]

That's not, you know, a hot take when you go, how about we credit the defense? It's what's wrong with Anthony Edwards? I'm giving a whole lot of credit to okc. I've often said many, many, many, many times. So I very often said this, don't let the best player beat you. Okay? See, did that last night. Now, the other players played pretty well, and that's the danger in that. But that's because Minnesota has a balanced attack there. They. They have depth there, and they almost pulled out a big win there. But give credit to the defense for a change. Yeah, Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I saw a stat on Anthony Edwards. He drove to the lane like 16 times, which means he is being aggressive. But on all 16 of those times, they rotated over a double team. 16 for 16. They're trying to get out of his.

[Jim Jackson]

Hands, and that's the way to go. Don't let the best player beat you. And you know, that'll be the philosophy. It should be the philosophy. Now, I don't know why Minnesota doesn't do that to Shay Gilgames Alexander. How about we don't let their best player beat us and score 40 points? And you've got the rim protector, Rudy Gobert. You should be able to shut him down there.

[Dan Patrick]

Rudolph had 13 and nine for you.

[Jim Jackson]

That's okay. It's all right. See, if you want the most overrated player in the NBA, it's. It's not my guy, Tyrese Halliburton. It's Rudy and the Go Bears. All right, what other poll question are we looking at today? First down seat. And by the way, let me do the starting lineup. And it guard out of NYU Todd Fritz. Do I do height and weight?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, boy.

[Clayton English]

No, we don't do that.

[Jim Jackson]

Oh. We don't do. At guard, six foot six. So I just do your height. I do. I. I don't. They don't do weight. So your height is what, Todd?

[Clayton English]

Like, five, ten and a half? Five, ten.

[Jim Jackson]

All right. And at guard, five foot ten out of nyu.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd Fritz, forward in a guard. Yeah, because I had a more like.

[Jim Jackson]

He's a tweener, small forward seat. No, Connor is here. Marvin is here. Paulie's here. Marvin has his all star T shirt on.

[Dan Patrick]

I do.

[Clayton English]

I live in the crates. Much like. Yeah, much like Paulie and Fritzi.

[Jim Jackson]

What year is that?

[Dan Patrick]

This is 1992.

[Jim Jackson]

Of course it is. In Orlando. Of course it is. Yeah, I've been looking for that. Now I know where it is. You have my 1992 Orlando All Star T shirt on. Yes, Paul, but it is a genius.

[Dan Patrick]

Business model because that's not an original all star T shirt. Like, Marvin wasn't at that weekend. No offense, but you can buy that old stuff now. There's websites that have reprinted memorabilia from years in past.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. It's called Todd Fritz's favorite place to go buy his wardrobe.

[Clayton English]

Retro land, baby.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, well, that's like distressed. You know, we buy distressed furniture, distressed jeans. That's kind of the sports version of distressed. Yes, yes, Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

And it's very nostalgic.

[Clayton English]

So you want to try to go back to your youth or something like that. That's why retro sneakers are such a big thing. You know what, man? I couldn't afford those Jordans when I was 10. You know, I'm 40. Oh, I can afford those. So a lot of people do that.

[Jim Jackson]

Well, guys do that with cars. You know, if there was a car in high school that you couldn't afford, then once you get money, then we tend to revert back and go, you know, I always wanted that. Trans Am or Corvette.

[Dan Patrick]

Iraq.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Alrighty. So we'll settle on a poll question or two here. Your phone calls are always welcome, operator. Todd. Marvin is going to be running things today. So I just want you to take your cues from Marvin today, all right?

[Clayton English]

Why would you guys do that?

[Jim Jackson]

I don't want to be the bad guy. I had a great weekend. You know, the sun is out. I just want to make sure that Fritzi is having fun.

[Dan Patrick]

You seem refreshed.

[Jim Jackson]

I. I am. I went fishing yesterday. Yep, Went fishing. Caught. Caught some smallmouth bass and catch and release, by the way. But, yeah, went out and I roughed it a little bit. Was out there, but kind of like, ahab, you know, I'm looking for the big one.

[Dan Patrick]

Big waves out there.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Looking for the big one.

[Clayton English]

What makes it a small mouth? Pass. How big is a big mouth bass then?

[Jim Jackson]

It's larger than the.

[Clayton English]

Larger than the small.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Like you would be a large mouth. I would be a big mouth bass. It would be that pain in the back. Yeah, yeah. Yes, Marvin.

[Clayton English]

Whenever you're a Maine, do you just feel more like a man?

[Jim Jackson]

Oh, you can't spell Maine without M A N. Well said on their license plate, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's something like that. Yeah. You know, you're Paul Bunyan here. It's just you're out there in the wilderness, but you know, when it's just you and the dog and then you hear sounds at night and you're like, scared, you know, those glowing eyes and the thing. What kind of cats they got out here? Yeah. Well, I have a dog when he's a rescue, but part coonhound and she is a hunter. She'll hear everything. And sometimes she didn't hear anything, but it certainly sounds like she did. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

Now, Maine has bears. And you know about bear, like the strategy. If a bear walks up on yours.

[Jim Jackson]

Near you, you're supposed to stand motionless.

[Dan Patrick]

And just walk backwards slowly. Is that the routine?

[Jim Jackson]

I believe so.

[Dan Patrick]

How does a person do that?

[Jim Jackson]

Well, I encountered a bear. This is 1999. I'm in British Columbia. Here's Dan's story time. So I'm up there fly fishing, and we. We stay for an extra day because we're on a photo safari. This group wanted to do a photo safari. They gave me a camera and they said, we're going to look for the commodity bear. Komodi bear is one of the rarest animals in the world. It's a. It looks, you know, it's an albino bear. Kind of looks like a polar bear, but it's a spirit bear is what it's called. So people, Native Americans viewed it as a religious figure. While we're there. And I'm thinking, I'm not going to see this bear. I mean, it's one of the rarest animals in the world. Our guide on the boat had lived there. He was over 40 years of age. He had never seen the bear. And all of a sudden we realized that there's a sighting for the bear. And we go over, we're moving closer to this. This island, and all of a sudden you see a little speck. And then I realized that might be as close as I get. You know, to the commodity bear. The. Our guide, Native American, starts crying because that's a religious figure. We get there on shore, eventually the bear's gone. I'm like, all right, at least I got these real small, grainy pictures. And people may not believe me, but we did get to see sort of the commodity bear. I'm standing there looking through all my. My film that I. My pictures. The bear walks out, and the bear is. And. And the salmon are spawning. So the bear walks out. He's 10ft away from me. And the guys that I'm with moved about 20ft away from me. They didn't tell me. So I stood there. And then I did what Paulie said. I didn't run. I stood there. And then all of a sudden I thought, I'm just going to take pictures because this is content. And if he eats me, I might be able to get that last picture right before he eats me. So I have. I have a couple of these pictures that are framed. Gorgeous bear. But all he cared about was salmon spawning. So I kind of survived almost a bear attack, I guess you could say. Almost. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

That's pretty solid, though, the fact that you unintentionally stood there motionless because you're taking pictures.

[Jim Jackson]

Well, if I. If I was reading the room and had the wherewithal to look up, I probably would have run. But I stood there because I was. I was frozen, just taking pictures. And the bear is 8ft tall, and, you know, he looks at me and then all of a sudden he goes, ah, that's not salmon. He went back in and started grabbing the salmon that were spawning.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

Hey, it's Steve Covino.

[Dan Patrick]

And I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Jim Jackson]

You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.

[Dan Patrick]

On Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app.

[Jim Jackson]

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in.

[Dan Patrick]

The world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem.

[Jim Jackson]

To have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out.

[Dan Patrick]

We like to get you involved too.

[Jim Jackson]

Take your phone calls, chop it up as they say.

[Dan Patrick]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.

[Jim Jackson]

Show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

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[Jim Jackson]

We've talked a lot about college football, the ever changing landscape of college football, where it is now, where it's going next year, where it's going after that. Ross Dellinger, this is his job. Yahoo Sports senior college football reporter joins us on the program. I bring us all up to speed, bring the audience up to speed of where we are right now with let's just start with the playoffs, the number of teams and Any other ancillary items that fall in line with that?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Dan. Well, we know this year we're going to have the same format pretty much, right? We're going to have 12 teams, same format. They're going to go to straight seeding, which they decided last week, but it's starting in 2026 and beyond where the conversation is around 16 teams. And that does feel like something that's going to happen where at least we kind of know that maybe for sure is that we're going to the college football is going to have a 16 team playoff. The question is how do you decide? How do you determine those 16 teams? So the Big Ten has kind of swung its support behind a model that grants four automatic qualifiers to the Big Ten in the SEC each two automatic qualifiers to the ACC and Big 12, one for the Group of Six champion and then three at large. So that would be a Multiple kind of AQ type of 16 team format. The SEC and I'm here at SEC spring meetings now in Destin. They'll talk about that this week. But they as well have been in support predominantly in the athletic director and president room. They have been support of that that model too. But Greg Sankey did say yesterday, the SEC commissioner that they they're not necessarily officially or formally have adopted any kind of support for a model, but that's the one they've been certainly discussing most. Now the flip side of this, obviously the Big 12 and ACC, they want more than two teams, right? So they're not for this four, four, two two one type of model. And that's where things could get pretty interesting. Dan, There's a little bit of a, you might say a fight brewing between among the power conf.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, it's interesting though, the, the four four with Big Ten and sec. Now, are they capping that the Big Ten and SEC can only have that's a maximum of four teams in the playoffs?

[Dan Patrick]

No, they are they are not capping. So the three at large that are still available would and in theory still be available for the fifth place, sixth place SEC or Big Ten team.

[Jim Jackson]

Wouldn't the SEC have had six teams to qualify last year? Does that sound about right? I'm, I think that's right.

[Dan Patrick]

There were 16. Yeah, there were, there were six in the top in the top 16 or whatever where that that would possibly have happened. And actually, you know, it's one thing Greg Sinker did say Yesterday because the two formats they're talking about most here I think are this 44221 and then a 5/11 format, which is 5 automatic qualifiers in 11 at large. And in that model, the SEC would have gotten as many as 16 teams into the or 6 teams into the playoff. If you did that model and went back for the, the last several years.

[Jim Jackson]

It might be crazy to say this, but I will. Who benefits the most out of all of Those?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the SEC and Big Ten, right in this, in this 4, 4 model, certainly the SEC and Big Ten would be, would benefit. Now, if you look at outside of college athletics with the kind of the brewing fight going on in just the fight for control and more money, Dan, which everybody right now needs more money, right, because they have to pay athletes directly starting in about, about five weeks or so. So everybody's after money. So when you look at what's going on in college athletics, just the landscape in general right now, those that benefit outside of the agents and the athletes, right, that are getting paid and agents getting a percentage are the outside entities that we see maybe trying to get into college athletics with money, which are private equity firms, private capital firms. And that's really been interesting to follow. Dan. Two weeks ago, the Big 12 and ACC, some of their presidents met with the Smash Capital folks that have this super league proposal and they want to infuse $9 billion in the college athletics. And it's people like that that could benefit and come in and kind of fill a hole, a financial hole where so many schools have one.

[Jim Jackson]

We're talking to Ross Dellinger. He's at the SEC meetings. He's Yahoo Sports senior college football reporter. I've been saying for years it would be nice to have a schedule maker. So yeah, for, for college football and, and maybe we get to this 50 schools and then you have somebody who's going to have, you know, the AFC west and the AFC north and afc, you know, all of those, you know, we create and we, we treat it like it's the NFL. But I don't, I don't know if we get, I'd love relegation. Like I, I think you could really dress this up and make this so incredibly huge and, but I don't know if it just feels like there's too many moving parts and too many people that, that maybe it doesn't have. Is that, is that a pipe dream of in the next 10 years that we have maybe a 50 school format or 40 schools?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, and that's what, you know, a lot of these super league proposals that you've seen, much of it backed by private equity in private capital firms that would design Something like you're talking about, right. They think college athletics, specifically college football, is vastly undervalued. They need to consolidate all the media rights, the TV deal. They need to. To have more uniform scheduling among the conferences, and they need to have more balance in the playoff and the regular season schedule. So I think a lot of folks agree on what you're talking about trying to get done. The problem is you have all these existing. Right. TV contracts with individual leagues. And as you know, college sports has always been kind of fractured into conferences, and it really prevents a lot of this from happening and it prevents the entity in general of reaping its full value. A lot of people would say, but eventually, Dan, we'll get there. And I think it's coming. I think it's around the corner, I would say five to seven years. We're going to get to a point where this happens because between the years 2030 and 2032, there's a lot of things that will happen. Contracts that come up, Dan, that could really trigger a lot of what we're talking about here. The CFP contract comes up with ESPN, the NCAA basketball tournament contract comes up. The Big 12 and Big 10 TV contracts as well come up. We could see a more of a consolidation of brands there and more of a centralized kind of leadership in college athletics. And I think it's coming now.

[Jim Jackson]

We have that nil, but we also have collectibles and we have salary cap. Right?

[Dan Patrick]

That's right. There's a lot going on with. Yeah. Collectors. Right. The compensation. Right. We're. We've been in the nil era the past four years where basically boosters are. Are paying athletes for, quote, nil, when really it's. It is just a salary. And now we're about to get into real salaries.

[Clayton English]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Schools on July 1st are going to be able to pay directly players, basically. Salaries. They don't call it that, of course, because they don't want them to be employees. But it basically is a salary that schools will begin paying. But in order to do all that, the House settlement case needs to be approved by the judge. In here. We are. Right. Probably five weeks before it's supposed to be implemented. All this is supposed to be implemented and the judge has not yet ruled on whether to deny or approve the settlement.

[Jim Jackson]

How's it going over with usc? Looks like they're going to end the rivalry with Notre Dame. I don't know if it's spoken about in SEC circles, but we're losing rivalry games here.

[Dan Patrick]

We are. We are losing rivalry games and it's, it's probably one of the more sad things that has happened in college athletics the last few years was conference realignment. Right. Is the destruction of these, these rivalry games. Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, right is another one that you could see go away. It's, it is too bad I haven't heard it really we talked much about here. But I'll say this. If the playoff format gets, the playoff format gets finalized as a 4 4, 2 2, where you have four automatic qualifiers for a Big Ten in the SEC, I think you'll see USC still play that game. I think the CFP format is going to be a big piece in a lot of regular season non conference scheduling decisions.

[Jim Jackson]

Great to talk to you. And I, I, it feels like if Lincoln Riley doesn't win this Notre Dame game coming up this October, it feels like that's, this is a make or break year for him at usc.

[Dan Patrick]

It feels like that, Dan. But you got to remember that buyout of his I think it's over $80 million. At a time when everybody is so stressed, financially stressed with paying athletes, it is tough to see USC paying 80 million plus dollars to fire him. But you never know. Right?

[Jim Jackson]

What are your thoughts, hopes, perspective for North Carolina with Bill Belichick this upcoming season?

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Yeah, certainly without all the off the field stuff going on in college athletics. That would be the big storyline. It has still been a big storyline this year. You know, you look at their schedule, Dan, and it's, it's pretty good. It's pretty smooth. You could see them going 8 and 4, something like that. I think that would be, I think that would be a success year one there. But it's going to be certainly interesting to watch. It's been a quite an interesting off season there in Chapel Hill.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, you got your Carolina blue polo shirt on there.

[Dan Patrick]

There you go.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Thank you, Ross. We appreciate your time. Ross Dellinger, Yahoo Sports Senior college football reporter Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Jim Jackson]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Clayton English]

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[Jim Jackson]

He's Jim Jackson, Fox Turner, NBA, also college basketball analyst joining us on the program. I've just spent a little time reminiscing about guys who missed their window. You know, when Bird and Magic came in and then Mike came in and the bad boy. You know anybody before that, Kareem, I think got short sighted a little bit. Dr. J did and I got a chance to see Doc play twice in the ABA and oh wow. So it was just different if that was he was playing against the Kentucky Colonels who had Dan Issel and had a really, really good artist. Gilmore was on the team and Doc with just dunking on people in traffic like it was like wild and I had not seen somebody play like that. Have you met Dr. J?

[Clayton English]

Yes, that was my ironically I grew up a Sixers fan because of Doc now from Ohio, but it was close to Philly so I Grew up idolizing the fro. And it was moving. I wanted to try to have an afro like Dr. J. And you know, at that time, too, you know that NBA Finals, I think when they played Magic his rookie year, you know that that thing was on tape delay back in the day. Remember that? But I met Doc in. At the 95 All Star Game in Phoenix. I still have that picture. And that was like a. Oh, you know that moment when you see Dr. J walk in the room, he's like glide and you know, in slow motion, it was like that. That's Doc. But then Dan, I got to really get a chance to know him via the big three with Ice Cubes League because he's one of the coaches. But more importantly, we were in China with the NBA. NBA China Games in 2018. That was Lucas rookie year. And Doc was there. And we really had a chance to just hang out and spend time because he's an avid, like me, cigar smoker. So I would make sure that I have a place set up that we go to that we can sit and smoke and talk. And he was telling stories. You know, he was with the Atlanta Hawks in camp. Did you know that?

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clayton English]

Think about it. They wouldn't let him play. Yeah, Think about that, Dan. If he would have stayed with the Hawks, how history could have been different? Because he's with the Virginia Squires at the time.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clayton English]

And then went to Atlanta. He was in camp. The NBA said. He said, if God plays, you have to forfeit the games that he plays in. And that's how he ended up getting to the New Jersey Nets and eventually, of course, to the Philadelphia 76ers. But spending time with him, and it's a different. He's just. It's something about. People have aura. And Doc definitely is that person that has.

[Jim Jackson]

I was covering the NBA finals with the Bulls and the Jazz. We were in Utah. Jim Gray. Jim Gray says when you get done with SportsCenter stuff, you want to join me and Doc? We're going to be playing golf. And I'm like, I'm there. And so we get there, we're playing golf, and then there's a backup on, like the 15th hole. And there was a basketball hoop. There was a. Like a house. Right. You know, behind the tee box. And there was a basketball out there. And I said. I said, doc, you want to go shoot? So we went over in golf shoes and we're. So I'm shooting hoops. And I said, doc, would you stand under. I lowered the basket to I think eight feet. And I said, would you stand under the hoop? I want to dunk on you. Doc went and stood under the hoop and put his hands up and then I dunked on him.

[Dan Patrick]

What?

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. How cool is that?

[Clayton English]

I'm just more surprised you still got up on the eight foot rim.

[Jim Jackson]

I was putting on an aerial display, man.

[Clayton English]

Hey, listen, I played, Doc, we played, we're at big three. We played golf in Tulsa. And I love Dr. Death and I tell you how smooth he is and everything is melodic and everything, but sometimes he can be slow on the golf course too, though.

[Jim Jackson]

Yes. He wasn't a great golfer.

[Clayton English]

All right.

[Jim Jackson]

As a golfer, he was a great dunker. So I, I, I love what Giannis has brought up. Well, we brought it up a while ago, and that's everybody outside the United States versus the United States in the All Star Game. And I said, well, what do you have to lose? Like, we've already lost the All Star Game. Maybe you can get it back. And I certainly like my starting five with, you know, the players from outside the United States. What's the negative to this?

[Clayton English]

The negative to me is that you have to search for a way for guys to play hard and search for incentive to make the game interesting. Because we're going through all this. Dan of the Elon system, captains picking their teams different iterations of the All Star Game because it falls back on the players to not really wanting to play and play hard at the end of the day, when, when, when the, the top players really want to play and you play hard. I'm not saying you're gonna go out, you know, 100 miles per hour and try to hurt yourself, but, you know, in that second quarter, that third quarter, that fourth quarter, when it's time to compete, when you're playing defense. And again, I go back to, you know, the 80s and 90s, 2000s early, when the games were played hard. Okay? And it wasn't just a dunk contest. That's what bothers me, that we have to search or the NBA has to search for reasons to incentivize the players to really go out and play hard. So why are we looking at Europe, European players versus United States? Why?

[Jim Jackson]

Because, because we can't get them to play hard. I know now you pay for your country. And if, if, if the players, whether Team World beat the Americans, now you have something. Now you have, oh, my goodness. Then the next year, like, now we have something. I, I don't watch the All Star Game because I've said it's A glorified layup line. I couldn't. I don't care. Even the dunk contest, I don't care. Three point. You can still dress that up.

[Clayton English]

Yeah, you can.

[Jim Jackson]

WNBA and NBA, you could have priority like Dell Curry and Steph Curry could be a team, you know, you could, you could do something like that and I'd be fine with that. But this to me, if, if the world beat Team usa, I think at least it has a pulse.

[Clayton English]

Well, how does it. But here's the thing too. How do you. Will guys get left out because of this? With regards to number of players, With a number of players too because if you think about it, if you got a 25 players or 24 players or whatever it may be, and now you're looking at placing a European team together, American team, that means you can need 12 European players, right? Let's say you got 12 on the bench. I mean 12 on the team. Yeah, but ironically, maybe five to eight are your real All Stars. So that means now you're putting another four to five players that are there that are taking spots from other players who should be All Star. Okay, so you run into that dynamic too. It sounds great, but when you're voting for the All Star team, you pick the 24, 25 best players, the All Star, ironically they're not going to be the majority going to be American players, but you have to fill out that roster if it's a European team. And that means on the American side it's going to be guys that deserve to be an All Star that don't end up making it. If you go that way, not again. I don't know how they'll. The process will be, but I think you have that as something that you really have to look at on how that makes sense.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, I think that's fair, I, I do. But I'm just trying to have the All Star game mean something and this might be a last ditched effort. Talking to Jim Jackson, Fox TURNER NBA COLLEGE BASKETBALL ANALYST the Knicks are two and a half point underdogs against the Pacers. What happened in that fourth quarter that Indiana forgot to do or India or the Knicks, you know, remembered to do?

[Clayton English]

Well, I think you got to give a lot of credit to the Knicks. It was of course Carl Anthony Towns got reactivated. I mean really played extremely well and he, you know, he played assertive. I thought it was some shots that he took early to kind of build the defense out. But you got to give OG Anunoby credit. He played extremely well. Miles McBride Deuce McBride came in and played extremely well. I mean, he had a critical role, you know, in that game, in particular in the fourth quarter, not just offensively, but defensively, to kind of making some things happen. And when you're, you know, in this situation, you play a little desperate. You're down 02. I mean, down two. Oh. On the road. And really the pressure is kind of more on. Even though it's pressure on New York to win it, don't get me wrong, because you go down three. Zero, it's, you know, it's basically over. But you're not expected to kind of win that game just based on how the series was going. Even though this was. You think about this, then it came. Every game came down to one or two. Possession game, okay. And that New York probably sat back and said, you know, if we cleaned up what happened in the third quarter, some turnover, some tough shots, not giving up an offensive rebound. We win those two games at home, and that's the mentality you have to have. And other guys really stepped up. My. I mean, Mikhail Bridges stepped up big time, made some great defensive plays, offensive plays, and a lot of that was done, you know, Dan Would with Jalen Brunson sitting on the bench. You know, that says a lot about the character of that New York team. Now, can it be duplicated? We don't know. But you play hard, you give yourself a chance to win, you don't turn it over. And the ball moved a lot more late in that fourth quarter, the last five minutes. That gave New York opportunities to be able to score the ball and eventually win the game.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, but. Okay, it's not fair to say it, but it is real. They'll move the ball more with Brunson not ball dominant.

[Clayton English]

Well, they will.

[Jim Jackson]

I'm not saying that you win without him.

[Clayton English]

Right.

[Jim Jackson]

But it's a different. It's a different Knicks team or style that they seem to capitalize on, whether that, you know, I. I still think that Tibbs needs to play more guys. You know, he's stuck on like six guys, but you have some guys who have experience and put him in there. And they had to out of necessity with Brunson, but it just felt like the ball moved a little bit more and they benefited from them.

[Clayton English]

One of the last couple games, too. Well, he went with the change in the starting lineup. Okay. Moved Josh Hart back to the bench. He played Landry Shamit, you know, in the game. But here's the thing, because we got a snippet of about five and a half Minutes of. No, Brunson. Right. When he left the game in the fourth quarter and came back in with about a minute, something left. And everybody's saying, well, it looks better without Brunson. Yeah, but you know what? Brunson was there to bulk of the game to get you to that point, so you can have a snippet of it. But imagine if Brunson is not there for the totality of the game. This is a different New York team. Now. You're asking guys to do this for 15, 20, 25, 30 minutes to be able to do what we saw in five minutes. That's a different ask. You know, and I agree.

[Jim Jackson]

Lazy analysis on people's part to say they're.

[Clayton English]

But. But it makes sense. You know, in that moment, it made sense.

[Jim Jackson]

Yes. It's like when people said the Celtics are better without Tatum.

[Clayton English]

Stop it.

[Jim Jackson]

Exactly. By the way, Tyrese Halliburton's dad's allowed back in the building, but only in.

[Clayton English]

The suite, nowhere near the court.

[Jim Jackson]

Did you ever have a family member create an incident?

[Clayton English]

No. Ever. And I had. You know, I was fortunate. My. My father, my mother, they weren't. They were always in the background. Never. You know, that's my son out there. I mean, high school, college, in the pro. My relatives who came to the game that were really close to me, they were just so happy and elated to be in the building a lot of times to be and see other players play, but proud of what I've done. But never. Never close friends, teammate. No, I've never played with a teammate that. And I had some. Did I ever have over the top, let's say parents or crew? Yeah, maybe a little bit, but not to where it. It never interfered with the game. You know, maybe at practices or doing stuff or trying to travel and be at stuff. Yeah, that part. But not what we saw on the court after a game in another player's face. I didn't have. I didn't experience that part.

[Jim Jackson]

I like what OKC did, and that is, I don't want your best player to beat me. Now, you do run the risk of the other players, and the other players played really well for the Thunder. But Anthony Edwards saying, basically, I didn't. I didn't have a bad game. Like, you know, I made the right choices here. Where do you stand on the field goal attempts were, you know, limited for the best player on your team.

[Clayton English]

Well, that's very mature of Anthony Edwards, and it's a correct analysis being this OKC made it a point in particular. Lou Dort, that Anthony wasn't gonna get a lot of airspace. You know, in the previous game, he had a lot of good isolations on the wing. He was able to get one on one. But when you're facing this OKC team, think about this. What you want to do is you want to get a mismatch. Everybody wants to figure out a mismatch. So when Anthony Edwards, who initiates the offense, comes down and wants that pick and roll up top with Holmgren or Hardenstein, it's incumbent upon the guy that's guarding ant to get over that screen. So now you don't have a switch and you're basically back to one on one defense. And that's what Lou Dort did most of the night. He stayed, he, he got over those screens. So now you don't have a mismatch. And when they did, they loaded up on ant. So the 13 shots was a result of excellent one, schematically designing a defense that works. But two, the commitment for OKC players to really execute that scheme. Because you can have a scheme all you want. And coaches will tell you that. They say, listen, we lost this game because we didn't execute our game plan. Well, that wasn't the case for okc, man. I mean, whoever was in that pick and roll situation or needed to be around Anthony Anderson, they did a heck of a job. And then when he went into traffic, he was double triple team. He had to get, had to get rid of the ball.

[Jim Jackson]

Most annoying defender you ever faced, Muggsy Bogs.

[Clayton English]

Not even, not even close. Not even. Because my second year we traded, I was in Dallas and we traded Jericho Harper right to, to New York. So I'm playing point guard, man, we play Charlotte and you know, Muggsy's 5:2 with, with, with some insoles in, okay, and he'll pick you up full court and he gets up underneath you. And the knowing is all I'm like, man, just here's the ball, I'm gonna get it back over half court. But because people don't understand how strong Muggsy Bobs was at the time. Even though he was, didn't have the height, but his advantage was the further you were away from the basket, his speed, his quickness and his size wasn't a liability. And that annoyed the heck out of me when I played against Charlotte and had to bring it up against a smaller, quicker and a defensive minded point guard like, like Muggsy Bowles. I still hate to see him coming. I'm like, muggy, man, get out of here, man.

[Jim Jackson]

You think he was actually 5, 2, 5, 3.

[Clayton English]

I said what he. I said with insoles in.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah. Isn't it amazing, though, somebody that size could. Could have a lengthy career in the NBA?

[Clayton English]

Well, look at. Yeah, he. Look at Spud Webb. Spud Webb. I mean, the same thing.

[Jim Jackson]

Spud wasn't as good as Mugsy.

[Clayton English]

What? But in a different way, though. Spud was a lot more affluent.

[Jim Jackson]

Well, he won the dunk contest.

[Clayton English]

Yeah.

[Jim Jackson]

And he was more.

[Clayton English]

Yeah, Mugsy was a. A terror on defense, man. Yeah, a terror.

[Jim Jackson]

He could play. He could. He's his starter. I mean.

[Clayton English]

Well, you know, you know what's interesting that you brought that up too, is that people talk about guys that couldn't play back in the day because of size, like, say, step. Are you. So you. We just named two who were smaller that played, you know, Michael Adams back in the day when he played for Denver. Okay. He was. He was small. Okay. It's guys that played back in that time that were smaller, leaner, in a more physical league that still knew how to play because they grew up playing in that era, playing with that physicality, knowing how to use their size. So that's why I laugh at when people say, you know, Steph couldn't play back in the, you know, late 80s and 90s. I'm like, well, why not? You know, here's examples of guys that did.

[Jim Jackson]

Great to talk to you as always. Thanks for inviting us. Yes.

[Clayton English]

Who you got tonight?

[Jim Jackson]

I have the Knicks.

[Clayton English]

I like that I'm greedy because I won seven games, man. I. I won six to seven games in both series. I was disappointed in, you know, OKC and Minnesota game. And the thing about the Minnesota game, and say this before we go, people look at Ant and. And rand only scoring 21 points compared to. That's the 74 between Shea and Williams. But it wasn't that. To me, this is a two point game.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah.

[Clayton English]

You give up 23 turnovers, right? Dan. OKC had 94 possessions. Minnesota only had 85. That's an 11 possession. Different in the two point game. Despite all what was going on, that to me, when Minnesota gets himself in trouble is when they turn the ball over and they lose the possession game. Good to talk to you always, brother. Enjoy tonight.

[Jim Jackson]

Thank you. Thank you. That's Jim Jackson.

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[Clayton English]

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[Dan Patrick]

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