Marvin (4:17)

I was into it.

Dan Patrick (4:19)

You left your microphone on.

Marvin (4:21)

Oh, did you hit up?

Dan Patrick (4:22)

Yes, I did. I liked it. It's like church. Yeah. Yes.

Marvin (4:26)

Amen, Pastor.

Dan Patrick (4:27)

Yeah. Jesus. Jesus. Go on, D.P. jesus. Yes, Marvin.

Marvin (4:38)

Going. Going to the Catholic church. It is a culture shock. Peace be with you.

Dan Patrick (4:44)

Oh, we don't do that with your spirit. Yeah. We don't do the no at all.

Marvin (4:49)

There's no amen?

Dan Patrick (4:50)

No Hallelujah?

Todd (4:51)

No.

Marvin (4:51)

Praise be to J. So nothing. Okay.

Dan Patrick (4:55)

Just sit here. Yes. Wait. Are you guys having a good time? And now you can shake hands. Oh, here's the money basket. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, boy. Not A lot of joy. I remember growing up, and I said to my mom, like, are we supposed to have fun? And she goes, no, we're in church. Well, but isn't it joyous? Isn't it a celebration? She goes, no, you're in church. Like, her answer was, no, you're in church. I'm like, okay. I then went to a church with a friend of mine. This is years ago. And they. They had a great time. They had music. They, you know, the guitar, mass. You know, they had. They've had drums. I'm like, okay, I could get into this. Yes, yes.

Marvin (5:42)

The musicians are professional. Like, legit.

Dan Patrick (5:45)

Yeah.

Marvin (5:45)

They get paid to play at church, and it is serious. So the church that we went to with my wife, it was 45 minutes. Praise and worship, where you just sing was an hour and 10 minutes.

Dan Patrick (5:58)

I like that.

Marvin (5:59)

I mean, they. They were killing it too. That base pay. That bass player was on fire.

Dan Patrick (6:04)

All right. Yeah, I went to a mass one time. Or no, it was just a. I guess it's not mass, it's just service. Service. Okay. And my wife said, hey, it's new age. Are you open minded? I said, yeah, anything that adds a little joy to this God. I'd sit there and I'd be like, I'm gonna get yelled at. When I was a kid, went to church every single morning when I was at school, every morning we went to church, had to get all dressed up. I remember just sitting there, and then you go into the confessional, like, everything is, damn, I'm in trouble. I already. I was born with a sin. Like, how did this happen, Mom? What did I do? You're in church. I'd be like, all right, I'm in church. So we go to this service, and it is raucous. It is wild. And, you know, even the sermon was great. Like, it was. It was entertaining. It had energy to it. And I'm like, can't we sprinkle a little bit of that in to a Catholic mass? Just give me a little bit. And then I remember when they broke out the guitars at my church. Shred Fest. Saint Susanna had folk music. You know, I was waiting for Joan Baez and Bob Dylan to come in. The answer, my friend, that was a big deal. It's like, we got a guitar. Yeah. We're having fun. Yes, Marvin.

Marvin (7:27)

The only awkward part is when they try to get a little life in there. They clap on the 1 and the.

Dan Patrick (7:32)

3 instead of the 2 and the 4.

Marvin (7:34)

And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't stop clapping like that. My wife starts. I was like, you stop too.

Dan Patrick (7:42)

8, 7, 7, 3. DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Operator. Awesome breakdown right there. Tyler is sitting by Eagles. Eagles, let's go. We'll get it. Back to football, but in the same run. The bold almighty dang. Yes.

Marvin (8:08)

Mark, one thing. So when I was a kid, the church I went to during football season, they started service an hour earlier so the pastor could get home and watch the Giants.

Dan Patrick (8:17)

Respect. I like that.

Marvin (8:19)

Church will be over every single Sunday during the season at 12:30 so he can get home and watch his giant priorities.

Dan Patrick (8:26)

Why are we always late to church, though? I never understood that. Always. My family was always late to church, and we live about, I don't know, three minutes away from the church, but somehow we would be late. Or you get the people who come in and they're. They get it right, you know, for the homily. Or they leave right after communion because those people have mastered it. Communion, you're walking back, walking back. Not gonna go into the pew. See ya. Yeah, but those are the people that also. Everybody noticed. Oh, John left. Okay. That's something that, like, my grandmother would have been all over that Sunday before dinner. I would have already gotten the call from my mom. Hey, my mom saw you leave church after communion. Yes, John, it seems it's like checking the box. If you're showing up late regularly and or leaving early, you want to do just enough so you don't go to hell. I technically was here. What is the minimum I can do to show my face and still be in good, you know, good graces? Yeah, Lord. Yeah. Yeah. You walk out right after communion. Plus when you have to turn around and you have to shake everybody's hand, like, how far do you go down the row where you're going to shake everybody's hand? Like, I like to just kind of acknowledge, like a. Yeah, but, you know, my wife is a. Oh. Oh, yes. Peace be with. Yes, yes, you do. The peace be with you head nod. Yes. That's big. Yeah, I did dap. I did dap the other day. My wife goes, you should shake his hand. I go, nah, I don't think so. Do a little dap. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wish you peace, but, yeah, not so much. I'll shake your hands. Yeah, I'll light them out. Yeah, just a little dab. Got to work in one of those complicated athlete handshakes that they do just to see how hip there. All righty. Poll question. What do we have today? Seaton? Let's see. We got one here from Paul. I can't believe blank have become likable. Notre Dame commander's other. Okay, well, commanders. I don't think we dislike the commanders and we didn't care about them. I didn't care about him. You only cared about the owner. So you disliked an owner. You didn't care that, like they weren't on the radar to actually dislike. Yeah, Paulie, but the Daniel Snyder stink was all over that franchise the past two decades and you felt bad for like Ron Rivera and the different quarterbacks. And it made you almost like you said, they're off the radar but generally dislikable. So much so because of their owner. No, nobody disliked the commanders because they, they, they didn't threaten you. They didn't bother you. Like, golly, they gotta live with that guy. You know, if your owner is not a good guy and they're winning, then that's different. But I look at the commanders is like they, they didn't, they didn't factor into my life. It was like, oh, yeah, commanders. Oh, okay. Those uniforms are kind of nice. All right, who's their coach now? Okay. Yes. Yeah. I feel like there, there are some teams that you are like, you being people actively dislike, for sure. I know I have teams that I absolutely do not like. But then there's other teams that you're just sort of apathetic about, like, whatever. Like the Raiders. For me, I'm kind of like, oh, yeah. All right, let's see if they could figure it out or not. The Browns. All right, let's see if they could figure it out or not. I would put the commanders in that same thing where it's like, oh, what? But now it looks like maybe they did figure it out. All right, great. But that's why people have wishful predictions this weekend. I think they're just hopeful that the Chiefs aren't back in the Super Bowl. I don't know if they really believe Buffalo can win. I mean, it's a, it's a two point spread. So it, we wouldn't be shocked if Buffalo won. I think there would still be an element of surprise if that the Bills be Kansas City and Kansas City, the commanders. I think you're like, man, the commanders are a good story. And here's something that came to me yesterday and I hope it, it. This isn't a prediction of things to come, but I'm thinking about the commanders making it all the way to the NFC title game. And the comparison was the Atlanta Hawks making it to the Eastern Conference finals to face Philadelphia when they had Trey Young. And of course, when, like, you remember that, it's one of those. If you look at the Eastern Conference finals in previous years and you go, oh, man, that's right, the Hawks made the Eastern Conference finals. The Commanders feel that way, like they're. They're not supposed to be here. At least it feels like they're a year early. And Atlanta was the same way and then Atlanta disappeared. I hope that that's not the case with the Commanders. It's been a great story with Jaden Daniels, but I think the wishful be nice to have somebody else in there, Philadelphia and Kansas City, and we've already seen that before. So I think you'll have people who will say, man, I'm rooting for, polling for. I'm predicting Buffalo and Washington to make it into the Super Bowl. All right, so that. Is that the poll. What other poll questions do we have? Because I don't think people hate the Commanders. I just don't think they like Dan Snyder. The Commanders are a lovable team, I think, now, or that that underdog feel to them. And we're fascinated by Jaden Daniels. The other thing I thought of with Jaden Daniels, I can't help but go back to RG3. When he played there, he made one Pro bowl his first year. He was incredible. And then he got hurt. And if you see Jaden Daniels, he's not a big guy. He's fast, but he's not a big guy. There's a bigger target there. He's a tall guy, he's wiry, no density to him. Like, when he gets hit, you know, he's spinning. And that's what concerns me. You know, when you're looking at longevity here. And who would have thought RG3 would not have been a Hall of Famer? If you saw in that first year, he had track speed and he was just different. You're looking at somebody who is the prototype of what the league is going to be. And then it didn't last long after that. But as you know, RG3 has said on the show, there are decisions that he could have made that were smarter decisions. Jaden Daniels has to understand that. And then I saw where the defensive coordinator for the Commanders said, hey, Jalen hurts, runs the ball. We're going to hit him. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. I don't think you need to tell everybody that. But the defensive coordinator for the Commanders Joe Whit Jr. Said yesterday, we're going to hit him. That's their decision if they want to get him hit. If they don't, then keep him in the pocket. Okay. I don't know if you need to say that. I don't know if that changes anything for the Eagles and Jalen hurts. Like, oh, my God, wait, they're going to hit me? I'm guessing if you get a look, if I'm a defensive coordinator, I'm telling my team, if you get a chance to take a shot, you take a shot. Do it within the rules best you can. But if you somehow maybe go into the. Maybe that wasn't a legitimate hit, that's okay. We'll take the. We'll take the penalty. We'll. I'll pay the fine. I don't know if Buffalo would say that to their players privately with Patrick Mahomes, but if you get a chance, hit him. Yes, they. Those type of comments do seem to eventually come back into like a bounty gate type scenario, you know, where, like, yes, it's great. Tell your players that and all that stuff, but you don't really say that out loud necessarily. Not to go too extreme with it or anything, but they. It's comments like that that eventually get twisted into something that they're not supposed to be. Yes, if Buddy Ryan was still coaching, then we might go, there's a bounty here. But there's no reason. There's no reason to say it. If you say it to your players, great. But saying it to the media, that means you're basically going into the Eagles locker room and saying to Jalen hurts, hey, if you run, we're hitting you. By the way, Washington's defense against the Eagles gave up 772 yards and 59 points in the two games between those two. So that's what I would be a little more concerned about than just making sure I hit. Jalen Hurts. Yes. Paul Washington's playing the long game. They lulled them into a false sense of security with those two games. They did a really good job. A really good job. Yes. Unless they're employing reverse psychology, making that comment publicly. How to even in your subconscious mind, an official, not have that in the back of their mind on anything close we like? Well, they did say they were going to kind of go after him a little bit or treat him like a running back. And you're like, not intentionally just putting that in the ref's ear that, like, we're going to be extra close watching how they're going to hit him. It happens so fast on the field that I don't think an official is in the moment in a split second going, hey, they're dirty. Hey, that's, I mean, it all kind of sorts itself out. I would think if you're hitting somebody in the pocket, then that would be different. Hey, we're going to hit him. We're going to hit him right as he throws the ball. That would be something that I would keep an eye on. But as far as Jalen hurts outside the pocket, well, I mean, he is a runner once he's outside the pocket. So I don't, I, I mean, I'm surprised you say it. You don't need to say it, but you might get caught up. And you're spirited, you know, you're fiery. We're going to, if he runs, we're going to hit him like, okay, and get his football. I hope you do. But do we have that sound? Can we get that, Marvin?

Marvin (18:08)

We've had a number of these guys that we've had to prepare for.

Dan Patrick (18:13)

And so the one thing is, if.

Marvin (18:16)

He'S going to run the ball and.

Dan Patrick (18:17)

If the coordinator makes a decision for.

Marvin (18:19)

Him to run the ball, we're going to treat him like a running back and we're going to hit him that.

Todd (18:23)

Way, you know, so that's their decision.

Dan Patrick (18:26)

If they want to get him hit.

Todd (18:27)

The way that he gets hit.

Marvin (18:28)

If they don't, they'll keep me in the pocket. So. But that's, that's what we're going to do.

Dan Patrick (18:33)

Okay. Coordinators don't talk to the media like, how did this happen? Where all of a sudden he's given the game plan here. We dare Jaylen Herz to run. Watch what happens. Yeah, well, given his knee concerns, I don't know how much he's going to run, but if you're Washington, keep him in the pocket, make him a thrower. That's no surprise. All right, we'll take a break. Just getting started on the program. By the way, decent weather for both of these games coming up this weekend. The Jags get a coach. I think we'll have that for you coming up. Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch up weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Playoffs. Yes, we're talking about playoffs. You bet. We're talking about the playoffs. Get in on all the action. DraftKings sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is how you win in the playoffs, and you can score big by betting on them at DraftKings, the number one place to bet touchdowns. Ready to place your first bet? Try betting on something simple like a player to score six. Go to DraftKings Sportsbook app and make your pick. New DraftKings customers can bet $5. Get 200 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Use code DPSHOW, code DP SHOW for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings Sportsbook, the crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 877-8-HOPENY or text Hopeny 467-369 In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill casino and resort, Kansas 21. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void. In Ontario, bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG co Audio. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just.

Marvin (22:07)

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Marvin (22:15)

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Marvin (22:22)

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Marvin (22:25)

I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

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Ryan Day (22:29)

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Todd (23:55)

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Marvin (25:22)

No.

Dan Patrick (25:23)

Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. All right. We'll update the poll results. And we got a situation here with Jacksonville in Tampa. Does Jacksonville finally have their coach and exactly what happened. We'll retrace the last 48 hours with Rick Stroud coming up here in a moment. Clay Matthews will join us coming up a little bit later on this hour. Booger McFarland next hour. And Ohio State head coach Ryan Day will stop by as well. The point spreads stay the same. The Eagles getting six, giving six to the Commanders. And the Bills are getting one and a half against the Chiefs. Weather for both cities should be around the same. No snow, expected temperatures in the 30s. Obviously with the Chiefs game, it'll get a little colder than that as the evening progresses. That kickoff is at 6:30. The Commanders and the Eagles at 3 Eastern. 8, 7, 7, 3. DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show poll question for hour two and recap, hour one, if you can. Seaton. Yeah. Hour one we put up there. This one was from Marvin. The super bowl matchup you're rooting for. Your options are Bills, Eagles. Bills, Commanders. Chiefs, Commanders. Chiefs, Eagles. You want to guess who people are rooting for? Commander's Bills. Commander's Bills right now has 57 of the vote. Yeah. You want to know the one that they're least looking forward to? Chief Seagulls. Chief Seagulls. Yeah. What the heck? Why am I surprised by that? I don't know. Those are two great teams. They are. But we want something fresh. One of them has a chance to go to win three in a row. I don't. I know. We'll give you our most must win game of the weekend coming up a little bit later on, which just to be clear, they've all been must win games for several weeks now. This is the most, most, must, must win, win even more than last week. Yes, yes, yes. There, there are coaches or players that this is the most must win game of the weekend. May not be the team, it may be the person. So I'll have that for you. Coming up. Rick Stroud, we didn't think we'd ever talk to Rick Stroud again. When Tom Brady left, he retired. And here he is, Rick Stroud, the Bucks writer, NFL beat writer for the Tampa Bay Times. And here we are. Rick, tell me what happened over the last 48 hours with the all of a sudden object of desire, Liam Cohen.

Rick Stroud (27:54)

Dan, we're the land of runaway brides, man. Bill Parcels did it twice. Chip Kelly did it once. So keep your receipt on the crystal stemware around here. But you know, look, Liam Cohen did a great job last year in his first season with the Bucks on offense, obviously. And so they didn't want to lose him. And they knew that he was had one interview with Jacksonville virtually. He was supposed to go up there on Wednesday. Bucks got him to agree to a really a record contract, one of the highest paid coordinators in football, something like four and a half million dollars a year. But it was contingent on him not going back to Jacksonville and they thought he was going to come in. There was some talk about a zoom call with him and all this. He didn't come in on Wednesday and they didn't hear from him from about 2:30 on Wednesday till about 5:00 on Thursday. He was zero dark 30 on him. So I think they got a little suspicious. And finally he did call Todd Bowles around 5 o'clock on Thursday to let him know that his kid was in fact sick. He had been with him sometime that day. But oh, by the way, I'm going to look back into the Jacksonville situation when in fact, I think that deal was all but done. So they were, they were pretty, pretty upset in Tampa Bay, as you can imagine. And now they need a new coordinator.

Dan Patrick (29:14)

Okay. I know that people have brought up his son went to the hospital, but in the court, I mean, this just looks messy. Yeah. That he maybe his son, you know, obviously has something going through something. His wife just posted something an hour ago. But you still got on a plane and went to Jacksonville, correct?

Rick Stroud (29:35)

Absolutely, he did. He didn't say he did not tell the Bucks he was there. You know, I've talked to many of those guys over there. They're just very upset. You know, it's just not the way you do business. He didn't have to sign the contract, per se, and nothing was going to, you know, really prevent you from interviewing for a head coaching job. You can't block a guy to do that. But, you know, the whole interpersonal thing that, you know, just kind of flying up there without telling people he was gone and then not really being, you know, forthright. When he did tell Todd Bowles that, you know, he's kind of looking back into it, but at that point, I think he'd already been to Jacksonville. So the timeline is bad. You know, we're. It's like a few good bucks, and we're trying to see. Check the tower logs and see, you know, when he left and all that stuff. It's just. It's just a mess. And the bottom line is the Bucks will now have their fourth offensive coordinator in as many years, and for Baker Mayfield, it might be eight. I'm not sure. I've lost count, but. So it affects them, obviously, next season.

Dan Patrick (30:34)

What's Jacksonville getting?

Rick Stroud (30:36)

Well, they're getting a guy that they better anchor down because he's only, you know, he's been to, like, five different places in the last five years, but he's a hell of a play caller. He really is. He did a nice job. Schematically, you know, he runs an offense that was similar to what he did in Los angeles with Sean McVay. He never called plays till he got to Tampa in the NFL. But he's a great teacher. And these young players, you saw them get better each week. Bucky Irving, Jalen McMillan, guys that had to step in when they lost Mike Evans, when they lost Chris Godwin for the season. And, you know, he just. He gives the quarterback answers, you know, and talking to Baker Mayfield, he had some success with Dave Canales the year before. He called him an optimist, bully, which is what, you know, sort of what he needed. Right. But from a schematic standpoint, play calling, Liam was at a different level. He could go to line of scrimmage, get him out of bad plays. And you saw what Baker did, right? 41 touchdowns, 4,500 yards, 71%. I mean, he was. He was lights out, except for too many interceptions. But, you know, I just think that they're going to miss his ability to teach and develop. And really, you know, the schematics were so good for this football team.

Dan Patrick (31:44)

Is he a head coach, though?

Rick Stroud (31:47)

I don't know. You know, and the thing about that is, as great as he was as an offensive coordinator, you know, That's a different job. I mean, you know, there's going to be five things a day that you're not prepared to have to deal with. You know, anything from, you know, your girlfriend broke up with you, your mom's sick, whatever it is. And so that's going to take away from his game planning. I assume he's going to continue to try to call plays. But if you've got Trevor Lawrence and you're trying to, you know, turn him around, you know, I think that he'll. He'll find a way to protect him if they can add some players on the offensive line, get a run game going. He's going to do great things offensively, but you know, that that's. That's the job. The job is much different. You're addressing the entire team. You're setting the tone for the franchise. And from what I understand, Dan, he's going to have control over who they bring in there to. To help him with personnel. So this is not just the head coaching job, but I think in many ways he's going to be more involved in a lot of the player acquisitions and things like that.

Dan Patrick (32:45)

So it's a.

Rick Stroud (32:46)

It's a big leap.

Dan Patrick (32:48)

Yeah. That's why I, you know, if you say, look, I don't want to come in under Trent Balky, I get it. Yeah. So you go back, they give you this extension, then all of a sudden they fired Trent Mulkey. Why can't you just say to Tampa, look, things have changed here. They're letting me have total autonomy here. I'd be crazy not to pass, you know, to pass up this opportunity. What, would the Buccaneers have rescinded their offer? Like, would they have moved on from him?

Rick Stroud (33:15)

I don't know that they would have. I mean, I think they would have hung in there and let him do what he wanted to do. You know, the offer was contingent on him not taking the second interview. I mean, I think, you know, possession is the biggest thing here. Right. Don't let the guy out of the building. And so that was the Buck's intent with it. Like, we're going to make you the highest paid offensive coordinator, but you can't take that second interview. So the minute he decided to do that, he kind of voided what was going to be his new contract, which he never signed. So, you know, it was just. It was just a game of subterfuge.

Todd (33:43)

It just.

Rick Stroud (33:43)

It didn't make sense that you would kind of sneak around like this. I think that's what most people are upset about in the organization. And believe me, they're pretty upset about it. But they'll get over it's going to make those joint practices with the Jaguars really entertaining next, next year, next summer.

Dan Patrick (33:59)

Rick, as always, great to talk to you.

Rick Stroud (34:02)

Good to see you, Dan.

Dan Patrick (34:04)

Rick Straun, Buccaneers, NFL beat writer for Tampa Bay Times, co author of the Players Coach with Tom Moore from Bradshaw, Manning, Brady and Beyond, host of Sports Day Tampa Bay podcast. All right, a couple of phone calls in here. Got our poll question for hour two. Seton yeah, well, we had the one. I didn't know if we were going to go back to figuring out unlikable teams that had become likable. Okay. Because right now you kind of have the Eagles in there who, based on our poll results, seem unlikable. Okay. I don't really know why, though. It might be their fans. Okay. No offense. Maybe some.

Marvin (34:47)

Maybe so, yeah.

Dan Patrick (34:47)

Yeah. Paulie, are the LA Dodgers entering that category or in that category with how they are overspending in comparison to the rest of baseball? The Yankees had that a generation ago. That's cooled, but the Dodgers feel like they're entering that. Geez, these guys won't give anyone else a chance. Category story do you care if people don't like you? If I'm a Dodger fan, I love it. Yeah. Like, you have to embrace this like Yankee fans did in a previous generation. There are dynasties where you just say you're not going to like us. Deal with it. Like, I don't think that the Chiefs aren't apologizing for anything. Like, okay, you don't like us. So did the Patriots apologize? No. Now you might say, are the Dodgers ruining baseball? Now, that's a bigger topic. But that's a topic really for the commissioner. That's a topic for these owners of what kind of sport do you want to run? Is it. You can spend all this money, you can defer money. You've got all these billions of billions of dollars with the ownership group there. You got a pipeline to players in Japan. I mean, they're taking advantage of everything that they have, all of their assets. But why wouldn't you? Now, I may not like it because I want to see these other, like, I'd like for Paul Skeens to maybe pitch in a playoff. Gamers or the, you know, the, the Reds, you know, to be able to be in the postseason, you know, to see Dela Cruz on a big stage. Yeah, I would like to see that. But the odds are we'll see them on a big stage in another Uniform. I'd like to be able to see teams have that opportunity. I mean, the NFL goes out of its way to make sure you have parity. They're trying their best. You have salary caps. They. They change the schedule. If you finish in first, your schedule's tougher. If you finish in last, it's easier. They go out of their way to keep the fan bases engaged. And that's the only thing I worry about, because the Dodgers are the Dodgers over under for next season. This is the. It might be the highest over under win total in recent history. Marvin.

Marvin (37:06)

108 and a half.

Dan Patrick (37:08)

All right. Paul. 102 and a half. Todd.

Marvin (37:12)

111 and a half.

Dan Patrick (37:13)

Seaton. Dang. 1 11. Paul, you said 102 and a half. Yeah. 103 and a half. Bloop. Yes, lad. 1 oh. 3 and a half. And according to DraftKings sportsbook history, that's the highest over under total for a team. Yeah. Paul. So the Dodgers are frustrating, but they're not dislikable because they're players. Everyone loves Ohtani. He's transfixing. He's fun. Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts. There's not dislikable people on their roster. Dave Roberts, their manager. Right. Love their uniforms. Gorgeous. Yeah. Yes. Todd. So when do they become as likable as they may be?

Marvin (37:52)

The new evil empire?

Dan Patrick (37:53)

Or are they already there and the Yankees are in the rearview mirror in the last couple of years? I think they're a likable empire. Like a dictator. Ish. Yeah. I. I don't know if you dislike. I mean, you may dislike the method to becoming an empire, but, I mean, they bought those rings. Yeah. But the same with the Yankees. Like, you know, Yankees wore that a lot. Yeah, that one a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Marvin (38:21)

Marv, can we stop with the. I know. See, was making a joke, buying those rings. No one plays for free like you get. You get what I'm saying?

Dan Patrick (38:34)

So nobody plays plays for free. I checked that. He's right. Is that okay?

Marvin (38:38)

Like when somebody says, oh, they bought those rings?

Dan Patrick (38:40)

I mean, I would, but the union won't let me, so I just got to take this money.

Marvin (38:44)

Like, what does that even mean?

Dan Patrick (38:46)

It means you spent more than everybody else. So stupid. Go ahead. But they did. But that you're supposed to. Well, not everybody has the money. Make more money. They have a war chest of over $30 billion, I think. And if you can say to Ohtani, why don't you defer all of this money? Sure. I mean, how much does he need and then you're going to say that to somebody else and somebody else, and you're all in it together. You got a chance to win. You got to play. You can play in Los Angeles. And I don't know, I. They're just taking advantage of what is in front of them. They're not changing loopholes here. Now, you might say the deferred money might be, but still, that's a business strategy. When the Yankees were spending more money than everybody else, they were doing it. And they were making money from the yes Network. They did something nobody else. And then everybody else tried to get their own network. The Yankees did a wonderful job with that. And whether you liked it or not, it was still must see tv. And they embraced being the evil empire. Yes, Todd. If it's legal, it's legal. It's like when a quarterback pretends to slide, but then they reach for that extra yard and they're not quite out of bounds yet. Certain quarterbacks in the AFC title. No, no, I got it. Not sure what that has to do with. Very cryptic, Todd. Who are you referencing? Anything that's legal is legal.

Marvin (40:17)

You're allowed to do those.

Dan Patrick (40:18)

Even though the current President of the United States has admitted to certain tax loopholes. And people do whatever they can do as long as it's within the law. What happened? Where are we going? I'm sorry? Whether it's money or politics or anything, whatever. If something. Take it all the way. You could take it all the way to the line, whether you're a quarterback looking for that extra yard or whatever it is, or you could spend your life, spend a hundred billion dollars on your team, then you're. Go do it. If you have it. Okay. All right. Yes. Yes. Paul. It's like a guy walking out of a store and not getting charged for dishes and plates. Exactly. Going back. It's not cheating or stealing, but it's. No, that was stealing. Yeah, that wasn't exactly a loophole. That took advantage. That was just straight up. We forgot to pay for this stuff. You and your wife. And then you, you know, screeched out of there. For a moment, we considered going back and then we rationalized. Or at least I did. By. These plates are probably so overpriced anyway. We're not getting any bargain. Yeah, but you broke the rules. You broke the rules. Technically, take them back. I didn't steal it. They gave it to me. How about I take a break? I just looked over and on my monitor, I see Clay Matthews there. I didn't grab the box and run out of the store and all the lights went on and there was alarms going off. By the way, Clay Matthews looks like he's about 33. Frustrating. Yeah, 33. All right, let me take a break. We'll talk to Clay Matthews Jr III. And we'll get to phone calls coming up as well. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships. We what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobe. Know Rich, wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt.

Marvin (42:54)

Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast.

Dan Patrick (42:58)

Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just.

Marvin (43:15)

Your basic NFL show.

Dan Patrick (43:16)

We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say.

Marvin (43:22)

I, I texted you and you texted me back.

Dan Patrick (43:24)

Now I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored.

Marvin (43:29)

They changed it and the, the heart's a little pink.

Dan Patrick (43:31)

It felt like I told you I loved you.

Marvin (43:33)

I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.

Dan Patrick (43:34)

There was something sentimental. When you like when, when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now? I don't like the color edition. It's extremely pink. Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley. Time to remind them. Yellowstone fans step into the Yellowstone universe. Dark family legacy news this ranch and I protect it of my life. Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone Podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide. Action Explore untold behind the scenes stories, exclusive cast interviews and in depth discussions about the themes and legacy of Yellowstone. You know, the first studs to settle this valley fighting was all they knew. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the ranch, welcome to the Yellowstone. Bobby Bones has everything you need to stay connected to the Yellowstone phenomenon. I look forward to it. Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to work. Welcome to my Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.

Todd (45:02)

Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter.

Dan Patrick (45:11)

And their plus one, their ride or die as they share stories never heard.

Todd (45:17)

Before about their remarkable journey.

Dan Patrick (45:19)

Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is my legacy. What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week, on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run. What's up everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast from iHeart podcast in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Verkin Demers. Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL Network analysts and boy oh boy, does daddy have a lot to say. I love you by the way on NHL Network, we're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things surrounding it that we love.

Ryan Day (46:42)

Right?

Dan Patrick (46:43)

Yeah, I just met you today, but we're going to have a ton of guests from the colliding worlds of hockey, entertainment and pop culture. And you know what, tons of back and forth on all things NHL. Yeah, you're going to soon going to find out we're not just hockey talk. Get all kinds of random stuff on this podcast. Movies, television, food, wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL. Now you wish you could pull off my short shorts, Ferkie. That shirt of Kazar Ruckus. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. More phone calls coming up. The most must win game of the weekend. We'll have that for you coming up as well. Ryan Day, Ohio State head coach in an hour from now. The Jags, they lost their possible head coach. Then they got their head coach and Liam Cohen going to the Jacksonville Jaguars after saying he wasn't going to go there, then went back to Tampa. Then they fired the gm Trent Balky, and then he went back to Jacksonville and now I guess he's agreed in principle to be their new head coach. So that leaves Cowboys, Raiders and the Saints. I don't know if anybody's looking for somebody who's still in the playoffs, but that might be the case. Except for the Cowboys might be hiring Brian Schottenheimer. Although I guess they reached out to Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll was Clay Matthews coach at usc. In fact, Pete Carroll said the greatest mistake at SC was not starting you until your fourth game of your senior year. Is that correct?

Marvin (48:20)

That's right.

Dan Patrick (48:21)

Why did it take that long for him to realize what what he had in you?

Marvin (48:27)

They were, they us. We at the time had, you know, littered with five star recruits, blue chip athletes. In fact, my senior year, Everson Griffin came in and Pete had named him or he had said that Everson could be playing in the NFL as a freshman. So he was playing in front of me. So I think it was just. You don't see a walk on go from being a walk on to starting for the number one ranked defense in the country. So I think that was the ultimate hang up. And it took a loss to Oregon State on Thursday night for me to actually break the lineup. And if we had never lost, that was our only loss of the season.

Dan Patrick (49:01)

I.

Marvin (49:01)

Who knows what the history books, you know, who knows what would have happened.

Dan Patrick (49:05)

Why did you walk on at usc?

Marvin (49:07)

I had no offers. I had no offers. I lied to a few people when I got to Scott because I wanted to fit in. They're like, oh, you know, where did you have office to class? I picked some lowly packed 10 schools. I said Arizona, Arizona State. I even, I even ventured to say Idaho, but I didn't have any.

Dan Patrick (49:26)

When did you realize you could play at a high level?

Marvin (49:30)

It was probably my third year there. So my red shirt sophomore year, I started getting on some special teams and making some plays. Kickoff punt just kind of had a knack for it and ended up winning special teams player of the year that year as well as the, the following two years. So after that year I felt like I could play. But you know, to say that I would have been a first round draft pick, I would have been lying to you.

Dan Patrick (49:55)

You're a six time Pro Bowler and the packers all time sack leader. Has your name been mentioned for hall of fame?

Marvin (50:03)

I'd like to think so. So this year I was, I was shocked when my name wasn't one of the 170 guys or however that works. And I had my agent look into it because I thought I at least deserved the opportunity to be within that group of gentlemen. And apparently you have to have somebody nominate you. And the person who was the packers, you know, who heads the packers, wasn't aware that my five years since retiring was up, so I just got skipped over and he assured, he assured my representatives that next year that wouldn't be an issue. But that leads to an another conversation which is, you know, the process of nominating people. I, I mean it's, it's, let's just say cooler heads, you know, prevail just because I was a little, I was a little hot about it.

Dan Patrick (50:52)

Well, it's tricky though because it's, it should be if somebody says your name and then you go yeah, hall of Famer, like but it, but now we see it where you're not a Hall of Famer now, but in four years you might be a Hall of Famer. You didn't play any more games. So I don't know, I don't know how that worked. Like Sterling Sharp, I think Sterling Sharpe's a Hall of Famer. I mean he, if we're going to put Terrell Davis in injury shortened career or Gail, I mean, he was incredible. He won the triple Crown. I think maybe the first guy to win the receiving triple Crown. Yeah.

Marvin (51:28)

Damn. We went through this with my dad, as a matter of fact. So my dad, 19 year career, you know, four time Pro Bowler, just most games played by, by a linebacker might have the most tackles by a linebacker up there with Seow, but he played for a small market in Cleveland for 16 years, never won a championship and wasn't, you know, big on promoting himself. And ultimately for the first 24 years, he would make, you know, the top 75. Top 25. And it wasn't until the last couple years when my sister really, I got to give her credit, she really started campaigning, politicking, where the last year, the 25th year, my father finished sixth. The voters came out, you know, they told her, confident, like, hey, he was just, he was in that top 10, but finished six. So like you had said, he didn't play any more games. He didn't do anything different within those 25 years since retiring in 96. Yet somehow he was, you know, a couple votes away from being enshrined into the, you know, the hall of Fame. But he didn't for, you know, the 20 years before that. It's, it's an odd process, but I do understand what you're saying. There's guys who are, you know, sure, doubt or excuse me, no doubt, surefire hall of Famers, and then there's those who, you know, kind of have to wait a little bit.

Dan Patrick (52:45)

What, did it break your dad's heart?

Marvin (52:49)

No, he's. He's always said that he's at peace with his career and he means it, you know, and fortunately I got to model, you know, my game after his. And so when I got out of the game, none of us ever, you know, we're always ushered out, you know, never on our own terms, very rarely. And so I think that has allowed not only myself not to make this about myself, but just watching him and how he left the game, so to speak, you know, conduct himself, really talking.

Dan Patrick (53:20)

To Clay Matthews, super bowl champ with the packers, six time Pro Bowler, joining us on behalf of Colt. We'll get to that here in a moment. Last time you talked to Aaron Rodgers.

Marvin (53:28)

Was when we text every once in a while, I want to say it was, it was the latter part of this season, but it was nothing. Nothing more than, you know, inside jokes and Humor. I'm sure he needed that at that point in the season.

Dan Patrick (53:43)

So it's not a conversation. It's not a close relationship.

Marvin (53:49)

I mean, it's, it's close, but I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to ask him in the middle of the season or the latter parts of the season. Like, hey, what are you thinking for next year? Are you going to stick with the Jets? You going to the Vikings? I mean, what, you know, what's going on here? So I'm sure I'll find out like everybody else. But, you know, as we know, he's an enigma.

Dan Patrick (54:06)

Was he that way, though? In Green Bay? We just, it, it wasn't put on, you know, a national stage for us.

Marvin (54:13)

But when you say, was he that way? What do you, what are you referring to?

Dan Patrick (54:16)

An enigma?

Marvin (54:17)

Yeah. No, he was different. Yeah. Different and different. I don't mean that a negative connotation. He's always been different. I've always said, you know, you compare him to some of these other quarterbacks, the, these, the. I'm going to call them the rah rah guys. And I don't mean that in a negative way, but, you know, leaders of team who, you know, bring the huddle together. Drew Brees, the Peyton Mannings. I always compared him growing up in LA to Kobe. You know, if you wanted to be great and you wanted to be better, you would gravitate towards him and then he would bring you in. And that's why you saw the relationships he had with Jordy Nelson, Devonte Adams, Greg Jennings, you know, they were, they were elite at the time. And he was able to form that chemistry because those guys had such a strong bond.

Dan Patrick (55:03)

So he, he led by example.

Marvin (55:06)

He led by. Absolutely. He led by example. I mean, practice was so competitive, so much fun. I mean, he was trying to go at us. It wasn't this, you know, lovey dovey, you know, hey, you'll get him in the game. It was. We were going after each other.

Dan Patrick (55:20)

But Kobe, there was a fear factor there. Like, Kobe wanted to crush you even if you were his teammate. Like, you. I want you to be great.

Marvin (55:29)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (55:30)

Was Rogers like that?

Marvin (55:31)

I mean, it's, it's a little different when you're dishing out the ball. Like, yeah, you know, like Aaron was to his receivers. But yeah, I think, you know, when is enough enough? Is four MVPs enough? I'm sure he wanted five. And that's why I truly make that comparison to him, because I think he wants to crush you. Now, obviously, we're on the same team, but in practice, that's no different. And I'm sure, you know, watching him this year, you see those glimpses of, you know, what he has, and I don't know what that means moving forward. I thought it was. I thought for me, it was pretty telling when he walked off the field with devonte with his arm around him. And we remember when he walked off the field with Randall Cobb in Green Bay, what that meant. So we'll see if I'm reading into it too much, just being a fanboy or. Or what's going to happen, but I'd love.

Dan Patrick (56:17)

You think he's going to play one more year?

Marvin (56:20)

I think he should play one more year. Do I think he will? I don't know.

Dan Patrick (56:25)

What would you do if Mahomes did what he does with the going to the sidelines or I'm going to slide. I might slide. I kind of sliding. So you.

Marvin (56:38)

Yeah, well, I did hit people in 2018. That's when the narrative changed. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers. It wasn't until Anthony Barr broke his collarbone. I want to say, in 17, maybe 16, where the shift changed and you weren't allowed to hit the quarterback anymore. And, you know, some would argue that's a good thing for the sport, you know, keeping the Mahomes and the Josh Allens and Lamar Jacksons, but they've taken full advantage of it. And it's hard to. Man, it's hard to watch, you know, these quarterbacks, especially with the flopping too. These guys making 50, 60 million dollars, getting every call, you know, having so much success, and they're still, they're dancing around the sideline, they're sliding when they, you know, become a runner. So it is hard to watch. And I hope there's a, you know, an onus on changing that next year as far as.

Dan Patrick (57:25)

Okay, what would you do? What would you do? Create the rule.

Marvin (57:30)

The rule is the refs need to stop calling those plays until the quarterbacks learn that it's. You're going to get hit. It's part of the game. It's a tough game. I mean, the type of hits I used to deliver on quarterbacks, first eight, nine years of my career versus the last two. That's how the game should be played. You're allowed one step, you give them a hit. If the quarterback gets the ball late, you got to let them know it's no different than guys coming across the middle. You had DBs who, who put hits. But now there's defensive, defenseless, Receivers and you see quarterbacks. You saw that Josh Allen pass. I want to say in the, I don't know if it's the wild card or divisional game where, you know, he got his receiver or running back knocked out. It was, that's what's going to happen coming across the middle. But I'm old school in my thought. I know that has to change. I just think the, to answer your question, I think referees need to keep, you know, the flags in their pocket unless it's truly egregious. And that leads to a separate conversation about referees.

Dan Patrick (58:23)

Did you ever have a sack or a hit on a quarterback where he felt bad, where I felt bad about it?

Marvin (58:31)

Never. Never. Although, no, I changed. I'm sorry. I thought about that. I didn't have a sack, but I hit Brian Hoyer one time and I broke his arm, I broke his forearm and I met him years later and I apologize. I felt, I never want to injure anybody. I know everybody says that, but truly I felt bad about that.

Dan Patrick (58:52)

But how do you apologize if it's part of the game?

Marvin (58:55)

Oh, like, well, I didn't apologize at the time, but when you see him face to face and then you kind of remove the shield, the mask, so to speak, there's a, you know, some humility and a human element to it. But no, I didn't apologize during the game. It wasn't like, yeah, I got him out of the game, but, you know, you never want to hurt anybody.

Dan Patrick (59:11)

I keep saying that somebody's going to hit Mahomes and they're going to take the penalty, they'll take the font. Like at some point that's going to happen here. I don't, I don't like saying that. But the reality is somebody will eventually say, this has to stop.

Marvin (59:30)

I, you're right, Dan. This might, I don't even know. Yeah. So I'm debating on whether or not I tell you this, but in the. But I will. 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle, Russell Wilson threw an interception. And I, this was right around the time they were, you know, these crack back hits and stuff. And I tried, I tried to give him everything I had and fortunately he stuck it out. That's when he drank that bubbly water that got rid of whatever head injury he had. But you're right, Abs, that is, that is what's going to happen.

Dan Patrick (60:09)

So you went out of your way. You were, you were trying to take his head off.

Marvin (60:12)

I didn't go out of my way to go get him. You'll see. He was Naturally, in the way he was trying to make the tackle. But I wasn't. I wasn't gonna. Because he was a quarterback. I wasn't gonna put my hands up. I was trying to put a hit on him. That's what we're supposed to do.

Dan Patrick (60:29)

I know, I know. Why are you yelling at me?

Marvin (60:31)

No, I'm. I. You're right. I'm sorry. I'm just. I'm taking this out on you, but there's this narrative now that you're a dirty player if you hit a quarterback, you know, just because the rules have changed so much to protect them.

Dan Patrick (60:42)

Do you have a tackling dummy at the house? Like, do you need to hit somebody?

Marvin (60:46)

They're my kids.

Dan Patrick (60:47)

My kids.

Marvin (60:47)

Yeah, I tackle them, I wrestle with them. We don't hit them. We tackle them. We wrestle.

Dan Patrick (60:52)

When's the last time you hit somebody?

Marvin (60:55)

Well, I didn't get my workout in this morning, but it's been a while. I help out with my 5 year olds flag football team. We won the championship this year.

Dan Patrick (61:04)

Yeah, we won the championship. Yeah. I like it. Does he have a ponytail yet?

Marvin (61:08)

No, no ponytail. He's. He's high and tight. He goes to a private school, so they frown on that.

Dan Patrick (61:13)

All right, tell me, but you. If he wanted a ponytail, you'd say, all right.

Marvin (61:20)

Yeah. In fact, I'd probably petition the school and say, ponytails. Why? Dan Patrick has me on.

Dan Patrick (61:27)

Dude, you look like you're like in your mid-30s.

Marvin (61:31)

It's that strong hairline.

Dan Patrick (61:33)

No, you look. You look like you could play.

Marvin (61:36)

Well, listen, I mean, not to. I felt like I could still play after year 11 with the Rams, but, you know, this is a separate conversation. I was ready to move on, to be a dad. It was my second, you know, second chapter, third chat, whatever it was in life. I was ready to be a dad, but I felt like I could still play. I don't know about right now, but I appreciate the compliment.

Dan Patrick (61:54)

All right, tell us what you're doing with safetyimpactaward.com.

Marvin (61:58)

Yeah. So I appreciate you first giving me the opportunity to talk about this. It's something that means a great deal to me, having a young family being an outdoorsman and a firearm enthusiast. But ultimately, I teamed up with Glock this year to launch the Safety Impact Award, which highlights the critical mission of educating everybody on safe and responsible firearm ownership. Together, we're honoring nonprofit organizations that have shown an exceptional commitment to safety within the firearm industry. And it's not just me, it's hall of famer Joe Thomas. Super bowl champions, Adam Vinatieri, Fletcher Cox, we're all supporting our respective nonprofits. I am supporting Project Child Safe. And what we're doing is we're asking everybody to go to safetyimpactaward.com to vote. We're competing against one another for our nonprofit. And colt will donate $1 for every vote received for the winning charity. And on top of that, when you do register to vote, you have an opportunity to win lots of prizes, money get entered. I want to get this right into the big game safety sweepstakes, where if there's a safety during the super bowl, fans have an opportunity to win up to a hundred thousand dollars. So like I said, it's. It's something close to me, you know, like I said, having firearms myself, having a young family. And I encourage everybody to go to safetyimpactaward.com great to talk to you again.

Dan Patrick (63:19)

Hope you're doing well and we'll work on that hall of Fame stuff.

Marvin (63:22)

Hey, I appreciate it, Dan. Thanks for having me on. Always a pleasure.

Dan Patrick (63:25)

Thank you, buddy. We'll take a break. Oh, no. Can't take a break. What? Paul, emergency. Fill in the blank. Dan. NFL News game. We have to do this quickly. Okay, here's the thing from Adam Schefter sources. The Raiders and Blank are aiming to work out a deal to make him the next head coach. The Raiders and blank Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll is correct. What? Dang. What? Let me take a break. I should bring back. I should bring back Clay Matthews to asking Pete Carroll going to the Raiders. All right, take a break. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Final hour in the program. Morale is high. It's a meat Friday white bean chicken chili that has been simmering for three hours now. And it is beautiful. Jamaican beef patties as well. Who has it better than we do? Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. If you're just tuning in, Pete Carroll is back in the NFL. The Raiders and Pete Carroll working on a deal, finalizing a deal to make him the next head coach of the raiders. Reportedly a three year deal. Booger McFarland in the mothership. We'll get his reaction to this coming up shortly. And Ryan Day, Ohio State head coach, will stop by as well. The Jags have a new coach. He's Liam Cohen and he left Tampa Bay, went to Jacksonville and then came back to Tampa Bay and then left Tampa Bay and then went back to Jacksonville and now he goes back as the head coach. Commander's Eagles 3 Eastern, Bills, Chiefs 6, 30 Eastern. And weather shouldn't be an issue either one of these places. Commander is still getting six and the Bills are getting one and a half. More phone calls coming up this final hour. We make way for NFL college and ESPN college and NFL analyst Booger McFarlane on the program. Your reaction to Pete Carroll back in the NFL coaching the Raiders?

Todd (65:42)

Booger well, I think the Raiders want stability. I think that's the one thing you're getting when you get a veteran coach like Pete Carroll. I think it's good. I think Pete Carroll is going to give them a sense of, okay, now we are a professional organization. Not that they weren't with Antonio Pierce, but you just got the feeling that there was always the question, are we going to keep Antonio, Are we not? I think Pete Carroll's hire says we got our coach. I think it's a three year deal with the team option for the fourth. So I think Pete's in good shape now. The Raiders have stability. Now comes the big question, Dan, who's going to be the quarterback? Because I don't think Gardner, Minshew or AOC ain't no Connell, either one of them are the answer. So now they have to figure that out. And then I think Pete Carroll has always been a guy that got his team to play at a maximum level. So I expect no different now with the Raiders.

Dan Patrick (66:29)

Okay, but as a veteran, like what is Pete Carroll going to bring to that organization aside from stability? But I'm talking about dayto day, like why would Pete Carroll be the person that they wanted? I know they lost out on Ben Johnson, but you go from Ben Johnson with no head coaching experience to Pete Carroll with a lot of head coaching.

Todd (66:48)

Experience, structure, been there. He's taking teams of Super Bowls. Like, Pete understands how to get it done. Pete knows what it takes. And I think anytime you have somebody that stands in front of the room who knows what it takes, you automatically have buy in because you've been there, you've done that. And so now the players know that if we just do what Pete says, Pete will take us there. And there's nothing better in any type of job that you're in. I think you'll attest to this. There's nothing better than confidence. It's amazing what happens when you get the right people in the right Place how that gives an organization confidence. Just look at the Washington commanders. They were left for dead last year. In comes Dan Quinn. They get new ownership, they get a new quarterback, and they're playing for a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Dan, let that be no better example than when you get the right people in the right spot. Now your organization can take off. Whether the Raiders take off at that level, we'll see. But they definitely have the right coach. In my opinion.

Dan Patrick (67:45)

The big difference is obviously Jaden Daniels, but is this team pretty much the team that was there last year? And then you add Jaden to this. I mean, is it that simple that. That. That kind of turnaround?

Todd (67:59)

Well, the quarterback is a big piece. And then you bring in Bobby Wagner, you get some veteran guys, but there's no question that the quarterback is, is the central piece to that. He touches the ball every single play then. And when you have a guy that's a difference maker that touches the ball every single play. Now the other 52 guys in the organization understand and know that we got a guy that can compete with the upper echelon of the league. And I'm not saying he's better than Mahomes or Burrow or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, but he can't compete. And when I wake up and go to the building every morning, man, that's a great feeling because I know if I do my job, we got a chance. There's a, there's a difference when you have a guy in there. And no, no disrespect to Sam Howell. Sam Howell wasn't getting me warm and fuzzy every time I walked in the building. Jaden Daniels gives me an opportunity to be that way.

Dan Patrick (68:49)

How did they beat the Eagles? Stop the run?

Todd (68:53)

They got to stop Saquon Barkley. And it sounds crazy because Jalen hurts. We've seen him go toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes in the super bowl. But they got to make Jalen Hurst beat him. They got to make Jalen Hurst throw the football to AJ Brown and Devontae Smith. I think it's the lesser of two evils because either one, the passing game or the running game can get you. But I think if you are the commanders, you got to take away these 50, 60, 70 yard runs that Saquon Bark has been putting up and make Jalen hurts beat you. And I think if they do that, they'll at least give themselves an opportunity.

Dan Patrick (69:23)

Then we don't know if he's 100% Jalen hurts. Right? So it, given that you Know that knee could be a little bulky or do you want to kind of force him to be mobile as opposed to force him to being a pocket passer?

Todd (69:40)

Well, I think anytime he's in the pocket, number one, you want to get pressure up the middle. Like with Jonathan Allen, Duron Payne, you want pressure up the middle and then you want to make him go to his left. I think the numbers are astronomically worse when he goes to his left, as you would expect, right handed quarterback going left, it's tougher to throw. So you want to make him go to his left rather than scrambling to his right. So if I'm, if I'm bringing pressure, I'm bringing pressure from his right arm, I'm going to make him go left. Anything you can get to take advantage of his impairment because let's face it, nobody, even if you don't get your knee twisted, is healthy this time of year. But especially him, when he got that knee twisted up, I mean, we thought maybe he, he wasn't going to come back in the game last week and then he comes back and he finishes. I don't think he's going to be 100%. I think if you're an Eagles fan, you're hoping he's closer to 85 or 90. I would bet he's probably closer to 75. We'll know early. I'm blitzing him early and I'm going to see whether or not he can run. And if I know early on he can't run, that changes my entire game plan. And so I think you're going to see Dan Quinn find out in the first series how healthy that knee is by bringing pressure from the, from the right, from his right arm or up the middle. Make him run and just see how healthy he is.

Dan Patrick (70:56)

What would you do as a defensive player with Mahomes with the sliding, the going out of the, going out of bounds. Do you, it feels like, you know, he knows he's protected and he's kind of flirting with these rules here. But as a defensive player, what would you do?

Todd (71:15)

I think it's up to the coaches. Number one, pregame, I think you have a talk to the referees, like, hey, listen, we know the quarterback is protected. However, how do you want us to handle this when he's a runner? Because when he's a runner, he's not protected because again, he's a runner, not a quarterback in the pocket. But we've seen Mahomes run down the field and then slide 20 or 30 yards down the field. And so I'm having a talk with the referee just to say, hey, let's alert and be on alert for the late slide because if I'm already in my tackling motion, I can't stop. And then you got to tell your defenders, hey, guys, let's proceed with aggressive caution. And here's what I mean. You got to go at him 100 miles an hour. And then at the last minute, if you think, if you, if he's sliding, then use your hands. Don't hit him with your elbow or your head. Use your hands to get him down. I think the biggest deal with these penalties is you're seeing a lot of, a lot of blows with your shoulder pads or the helmet or the forearm to Patrick Mahomes head. Let's use our hands to get him on the ground. And I think if they do that, they'll probably get the benefit of the doubt. But I think Patrick understands how to manipulate the rules a little bit and I don't blame him. How many times have we seen him though? Like he's going out of bounds and he puts that foot in the ground and gets another 10 or 15.

Dan Patrick (72:33)

No, I know.

Todd (72:34)

I think that's, that's what you have to alert the ref. Like, hey, how are you going to call that? And what would you like me to do, Booger?

Dan Patrick (72:39)

I've said it now. I'm not calling for it. But I know that somebody's going to hit him, somebody's going to pop him at some point. If you're going to continue to flirt with the I'm, I'm going out of bound, not going out of bounds. I'm sliding, I'm not sliding. Somebody's going to take a shot. Deal with the 15 yards, benches clear, maybe a fine. But until the NFL, if you want to protect your quarterbacks, they have to do better at this rule or these rules so the defense can understand. How can this be a level playing field? Because as it is now, it's not a level playing field. And maybe they don't want that, Booger, but at some point I worry that somebody's going to take a shot.

Todd (73:20)

Well, I don't think to your point, I don't know if they want it to be a level playing field because they realize that the quarterback sell. Like right now we're looking at Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. And I think the NFL is salivating right now that we're going to. If any combination of two of these four quarterbacks in the super bowl, we can sell it, and that's what you want. Like, if you go back to the super bowl with Nick Foles in it, like the NFL, like Philadelphia won, everybody's happy. But we ain't selling Nick Foles to America to tune in with 130 million people. I love Nick Foles, but he's not, he's not making me warm and fuzzy to turn the TV to cbs. And so I, I think that the NFL is going to protect their quarterbacks. However, you, you have to make the game fair for defensive players. And to your point, Dan, I may even tell my defenders this. Hey, guys, early in the game, first half, first half, I'll give you. I'll give you a little leeway. So if he's going out of bounds, take a shot, because we can recover in the second half. Now, late in the game, you got to be cautious. But the first half, let's light his ass up a little bit, you know what I mean?

Dan Patrick (74:28)

NFL Prime Time with Chris Berman and Booger McFarlane right after the game, the AFC title game at around 9:45 Eastern on the mothership. Are the Bills a running team?

Todd (74:40)

I think the Bills are whatever they need to be team. You know, when they had Stefon Diggs, that's all we talked about, was Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen. Now they've morphed into this team that they can do whatever they need to do. They went out and got Amari Cooper so they can throw the football to Shakira. Amari Cooper, they got the two tight end package they can go to. They can throw it to James Cook out of the backfield so they have weapons to throw the football. However, I think what we've realized this, this postseason, Dan, the more physical teams are winning these games, right? The team that can control the line of scrimmage and be physically imposing, those are the teams that are winning these games. And I think Buffalo has said, okay, we've tried this with Josh being Superman, that didn't work. We've tried this a number of ways. So how about let's be physical. Let's get 35 carries a game between our running backs and Josh Allen. Let's control the line of scrimmage. And then in those moments late in the movie, okay, about the time the movie's about to climax, tell the guy at quarterback to put the cape on. And now go turn into Superman. And. And when he turns into Superman, that means whatever he needs to do. If he needs to run 30, run 30. If he needs to throw a 60, throw a 60. And so I think they've developed into that type of team with one one caveat. Don't turn the football over. Yeah, they haven't turned the ball over. And I think that's. Those are the primary reasons they've been successful.

Dan Patrick (75:59)

Are you chiefed out?

Todd (76:02)

No, I never get chiefed out. Because when you're a competitor, every year is different. And so to say I'm chiefdot would mean that I'm rooting for, I'm not rooting for the best teams. I think that each and every time you go out, you gotta earn it. The Chiefs have earned back to back Super Bowls. If they get to a third, they will have earned it. Everything is earned in this business, Dan. Nothing is given, man. And so I'm not chiefed out because I know how hard it is to go and earn what it is that you need to get to win a Super Bowl. I've won two of them. None of nothing has ever been given. Everything has got to be earned.

Dan Patrick (76:39)

Do you think the Chiefs get favorable calls?

Todd (76:44)

I think the home team is always going to get favorable calls and the Chiefs have pretty much been at home except for one playoff run. So I do think that they get favorable calls because the crowd think about this. I'm gonna put a scenario out there. Let's say Patrick Mahomes is running down the chief sideline and there's a questionable hit. Well, everybody in the stadium along with everybody on the sideline is going to be throw the flag. Throw the flag. And human nature is going to kind of influence the official. Look like it takes somebody really that's got a really nice temperament and a really strong demeanor not to listen to 70,000 plus all the coaches in front of your, in front of your face doing that. So I think the home team, especially on the home sideline, always get a favorable flag.

Dan Patrick (77:31)

My best to Chris Berman and we'll be watching Sunday night. Great to talk to you again.

Todd (77:36)

Always, man. Love coming on with you guys. Thank you for having me, sir.

Dan Patrick (77:39)

Booger McFarland One of these days he's coming up for a meet Friday. He keeps threatening to. I mean we'll, we'll get ready, we'll have. He can create the menu NFL Primetime with Chris Berman and Booger right after the conclusion of the AFC title game on the mothership Alex in Utah. Then we'll take a break. Ryan Day, the Ohio State head coach, will join us. Hey, Alex. Hey.

Rick Stroud (78:03)

Morning guys.

Dan Patrick (78:03)

Happy meet Friday.

Todd (78:05)

I am, yeah.

Marvin (78:07)

I, in my short time as like.

Dan Patrick (78:10)

A big football fan, I can't think of a better coach division than the AFC west now.

Todd (78:15)

So I guess that's sort of my.

Dan Patrick (78:17)

Question is is there has there been a better coach division where you have potentially four hall of Famers all coaching one division at the same time?

Marvin (78:27)

And also makes me wonder how long.

Dan Patrick (78:28)

Before Tom Brady goes to give Pete Carroll a high five and then just.

Todd (78:32)

Lowballs him by saying, hey, Malcolm Butler.

Dan Patrick (78:34)

And then walks away. I don't know if Malcolm Butler comes up in the press conference when they introduce Pete Carroll. I don't think so. Just guessing. Yeah, Coach, we handing this one off or yeah, Pete, game on the line. Are you going to run the ball at the goal line or are you going to pass the ball? Quick question. We'll have to do some research. Is this the best head coaching division in recent memory with the NFL? Yes, Marv, recent memory.

Marvin (79:06)

I was going to say all time. NFC east was that Parcells, Tom Landry, Joe Gibbs.

Dan Patrick (79:12)

That's just off the top for meal. Was was Vermeil the head coach then the Eagles. Checking Eagles. All right, let me take a break. We'll talk to Ryan Day after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Try to sneak in a few more phone calls here. Waiting for Ryan Day, head coach at Ohio State. That AFC west with Pete Carroll with the Raiders, Jim Harbaugh with the Chargers, Sean Payton in Denver, Andy Reid in Kansas City. We were trying to come up with on short notice the is there another conference division that had coaches that would rival this one? Because Andy Reid's hall of Famer, Jim Harbaugh, he's a football hall of Fame, not NFL hall of Fame. And Sean Payton, probably a borderline hall of Famer. Pete Carroll in there as well, winning a Super bowl, losing a Super bowl as well. But now back with the raiders and a three year deal. 8773-DP-SHoVE Email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow He's Ryan Day, head coach at Ohio State national champs. Coach, congratulations. How much of this was joy and how much of this was relief?

Ryan Day (80:32)

It was a combination of the two. Yeah, it was both. And I think the whole run that we went on throughout the playoffs was that way. I really haven't had as much fun coaching a team like that in a long time. It was just a bunch of guys together. There really was no class because class was out and we just spent a bunch of time together and had A bunch of fun playing. But in the end, as we head into that last game, we just knew that, you know, just be another story that kind of comes and goes. But now the fact that we won, we're able to cement that story in the history of college football and obviously at Ohio State.

Dan Patrick (81:10)

But take me back to Michigan, and I had a former player say this to me, that when Michigan tried to plant the flag, that maybe brought your team together or more together. Whether that's true or not, you would know that better. But it's almost like it galvanized this team. Nothing's going to be easy. Us against the world, they embarrassed us. Now let's go out and prove that we're still the best team. Anything I'm saying that wasn't true?

Ryan Day (81:38)

I think it's certainly part of the story of the year. There's no question about that. And I felt like this team was close anyways. I thought we were galvanized. But when you go through something like that, you have to regroup and figure out, most importantly what. What happened and how do we get these things fixed. So, you know, there's a lot of ways to look at this, and some more dramatic than others, but the truth is we had to get things fixed. There was things that were just not right coming out of that game that, you know, in all three phases, we need to get addressed. And that was the bottom line. And there was a lot of other things that came with it, as, you know, and, you know, once we got those things addressed and the players recognized that things needed to get fixed and knew the plan going into the 10 game, there was just. There was a collective, just like you said, a bunch of guys together saying, all right, we're going to make this run and we're going to be dangerous once we get some momentum going again.

Dan Patrick (82:36)

But how does this affect you personally? You lose to Michigan again and, you know that topic in Columbus, in that state, and, you know, you're. You're. I don't know if you're fighting for survival or what I. Tell me your emotions where you lose to Michigan again and, you know the importance of what that means.

Ryan Day (82:56)

Yeah, I mean, certainly, you know, there was obviously disappointment amongst all the other emotions, but, you know, once those things kind of come and go and you have a couple days, you have to refocus yourself. And as difficult as that was, it was an opportunity to write an unbelievable story in the next month. And I. I felt like it was an opportunity for me as a dad, as a husband, and as a Man, to show my family that, you know, when you get knocked down and you're backed up against the wall, that, you know, it's about how you handle yourself and how you fight yourself out of these types of situations. And then. And then, you know, for our team, you know, for the guys on the team and the seniors and even the young guys to watch, you know, how you handle yourself and then have something to grab onto there for the rest of their life and then serve as an example for all the Buckeye fans who, you know, certainly, you know, had ups and downs this season, but were able to, you know, see how you handle yourself when things get really, really difficult. And I think that really defines people's character.

Dan Patrick (84:05)

It was reported there were death threats. How do you talk to your kids about that or your wife about. How do you process that?

Ryan Day (84:14)

I think every year for us, it's become easier to manage when, you know, our family first was named, you know, the head coach in 2019. My wife and the kids were smaller then. We're all sitting on the bed together, and I've told the story before. She said, you know, started crying, said our family's never going to be the same again. And she was right. But that didn't make it easy. You know, you're expected to win them all, and when you don't, it's tough, but that's because of the passion. And nobody puts more pressure on themselves than myself and my family. Nobody wants to win more than my kids and my wife. So it isn't so much that, because they're more disappointed than anybody could possibly be in Buckeye Nation. And so we shared the same frustration because, you know, my family and my kids want to win worse than even I do. I mean, they just. That's the way they're wired and. And they love the fans. And so, you know, when you do lose, you know, there's a feeling of disappointment, and, you know, you share in the frustration with people because they love it so much, but that's. That's also living. You know, you're relevant. I mean, that's. That's what makes Ohio State so special, is because people care so much. Now, with that comes some. Some craziness, but that's okay. It also makes when you win that much more special.

Dan Patrick (85:29)

What was it like when you saw your family after you won the title?

Ryan Day (85:34)

Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was a special moment. You know, something that, you know, I always remember just the fact that you could look at your. Your family and your wife in the eyes and say, hey, we did this thing together and. And they did. They were a big part of it. And we know where we were about a month and a half ago and where we are right now. And it was pure joy.

Dan Patrick (85:57)

Like you mentioned earlier, it's Ryan Day, head coach of Ohio State national champs. Take me Back to the third and 11 call. Who makes the call and what was the other option in that situation?

Ryan Day (86:11)

Well, we were trying to run down the clock. We had. There's a point in the game where we're up by multiple scores and you start doing the math on it and you're like, man, if we can just run out a few minutes, you know, each time we have the ball and continue to get some first downs and we could just, we can milk this thing and win. And when you're talking about being that close to an national championship, you know, you're holding on real tight, maybe held on a little too tight. But on first and second down, we were going to run the ball. We thought about throwing it on second down because we saw man to man coverage on the outside and, you know, wanted to keep the clock running. And then they called the timeout and on the headset, there's a lot of back and forth there. Our whole offensive staff, I thought, did a great job throughout the whole run. Chips, obviously, right there. And. And we said, you know, we run it one more time and chew up the clock. And. And some guy said, no, let's call third down play. And so we looked at the call sheet and we saw a play that is one of our base plays that we put in day one, where literally it's a goalball on the outside of the outside receivers and a middle read by our H and a couple check downs by the inside guys. And we say if we're lucky enough to get one on one on the outside, then we're launching that thing up away from the free safety. And we had worked hard on that route in particular because we knew we were getting a certain technique in the game. And so when we saw it, you know, our eyes lit up, so did Will's, and certainly had to be executed, but it was like in slow motion.

Dan Patrick (87:32)

I was going to say, what's it like when that ball's in the air?

Ryan Day (87:36)

Slow motion. Just like holding your breath, knowing that if we catch this thing, we're probably national champs. And there's an unbelievable picture. It's a still photo from the sideline. From the other way, you can see our entire sideline as the balls in the air. And just the look of everybody's face on that sideline is amazing. Just because everyone can see, like, we catch this ball, we're going to be national champs. It's. It was quite a moment.

Dan Patrick (87:58)

How do you. How difficult is it to keep your roster together? There's a report that Jeremiah Smith offered four and a half million dollars. Like Ohio State doesn't usually lose players, but now in today's nil and transfer portal, every. Everybody's fair game. So how do you go about having conversations or retaining some of your players?

Ryan Day (88:22)

I think the first thing, you have to bring in great people and great families, but you also have to value them and try to do everything you can to get what they deserve and what's fair. But there's also something to be said for being around a program like ours. And, you know, you think if it's all equal, you know, we'll have a chance to. To get our share of guys. But. But it is different. There's no question. I think as coaches, we're all looking for a little bit more guidelines on this. I mean, everything is so gray right now. And.

Dan Patrick (88:55)

But how does that work, though, Coach, that. Let's say I wanted to talk to Jeremiah. Let's say I'm Georgia, I want to talk to him. Like, how does that go about that you get in front of somebody or, you know, you put a price tag and. Is there tampering in college football?

Ryan Day (89:12)

I think one of the big issues that we have across the board in college football right now is enforcement. I mean, you know, some of the stories of some of the things that have gone on just, you know, within the last couple years or even in the past, but enforcement is really strained right now. And so until we start enforcing some of these rules, like you said, I mean, people can just call someone's agents or someone's parents and offer them a certain amount of money and. And then it goes from there. And that's just part of it. I mean, there's so many other things that come in place. So that's one of the things, to me that I think we've got to get addressed in college sports and college football is enforcement, because right now there's virtually none. And it's. It's gotten worse as time has gone on.

Dan Patrick (90:00)

When's the last time that NFL team reached out to you?

Ryan Day (90:07)

You know, they don't really reach out to me. They would reach out, I guess, to my agent. And that happens sometimes. But, you know, we've not really engaged because I love Ohio State and I want to be Here as long as I can.

Dan Patrick (90:19)

So that's not a goal?

Ryan Day (90:22)

No, that's not a goal. It's not a goal. And I wouldn't say that, I wouldn't consider that somewhere down the line, but my son is a sophomore in high school. My daughters are in middle school. They love it here. And, you know, I want to be here, you know, through their, through their, you know, run through high school and then, you know, see what the next phase brings. But, but like I said, you know, once the confetti fell, that was it. It's on the next year.

Dan Patrick (90:49)

I know. Do you get a vacation?

Ryan Day (90:52)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll have, we'll have some time, but. Okay, but it's not like, you know, we're going away to Tahiti for a week.

Dan Patrick (91:00)

Were you on the phone to recruits after the national title?

Ryan Day (91:04)

Recruits and, you know, our current players and yeah, that night.

Dan Patrick (91:10)

I mean, that's a great thing. Saban would do that. He'd win a national title, get on the phone and say to a recruit, hey, you could be celebrating with us. Confetti, probably in his hair. Did you do that? No.

Ryan Day (91:21)

But, you know what's interesting is the timetables change. So the early signing day. We had 145 guys on our team this year, and over 20 of them were recruits that started classes on January 6th. So they were actually with the team for the last two games. So instead of the signing day, which should be happening next Wednesday, they had already signed and were enrolled in classes. So, like, the timetables changed a lot. But, you know, we have obviously, you know, been recruiting the 26th class, which is about another year away.

Dan Patrick (91:51)

Where would you put Jeremiah Smith with the other receivers you've coached?

Ryan Day (91:57)

Well, after the first year, it's, it's hard to put him anywhere other than one. I think some of those guys had great freshman years, but not, not like this.

Dan Patrick (92:05)

We need to check his birth certificate. Like, how old is he, Coach? Come on.

Ryan Day (92:11)

He's 19 years old. Yeah, yeah, but, but he's special. We knew he was special. And his maturities beyond his years, physically, mentally and emotionally. He's a special talent, as you know.

Dan Patrick (92:22)

Congrats. Enjoy it while you can, because we know what happens as soon as season starts. And then there's the Michigan game. Keep smiling. Never ends, does it? Thank you, coach. Never does. Ryan Day, head coach of Ohio State. They won the national title. And you know what? I, I, I got a big kick out of it. They win and he's trying to get his headset off and his Belt off and he's running down the sidelines and he just throws it. I don't know where it goes, but that joy, that was, that, that's relief. That's true relief. And you hadn't had that before. But imagine you sit down with your family, you're trying to explain, hey, our life has just changed. And like, you're not taking the job of, you know, Kansas football, this is Ohio State, and your life will change for the better and maybe for the worst. And then you get death threats when you lose to Michigan. And then you got to talk to your family about that just so they understand. I mean, Dan Campbell in Detroit got death threats. This is Detroit where you're going like, thank God you. I got Dan Campbell as my coach. We almost got there. You had no hope before. Damn, throw a parade for him. But that's, you know, that's, that's the sad reality of this. It is big time business. We like to make it amateur sports. It is business. That is business. Unfortunately. Yeah. Pauline and you said the phrase roster retention five years ago. They didn't have to do that that much. Once in a while. Guy transferred, but you had to sit or there was no incentive to transfer financially. It's a whole different world. Well, you wouldn't think Ohio State have to worry about that. But here's a report by the website on three that Jeremiah Smith is getting a four and a half million dollar offer. I sure I'd do the same thing if I had the money. I got a sure thing. He's won a national title. You want to get four and a half million dollars, one of these schools, maybe an SEC school is going to say, hey, come on down, come on down. We'll pay you. Hey, it's Bobby Bones.

Marvin (94:48)

Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt.

Dan Patrick (94:50)

Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else you get to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on the R and B.

Ryan Day (95:20)

Money podcast, Tank and Jay Valentine sit.

Dan Patrick (95:22)

Down with the one and only Snoop Dogg. I wanted to be here personally to come give y'all y'all flowers and let y'all know y'all doing an amazing job. Yes, sir. I love the outlet. I love how y'all treat the artists that come on here. I love how y'all speak to the.

Todd (95:35)

Realization of R B music and R and B money.

Ryan Day (95:38)

Snoop Dogg on RB Money.

Dan Patrick (95:40)

Listen to this episode on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Calling all Yellowstone fans, let's go to work. Join Bobby Bones on the Official Yellowstone Podcast for exclusive cast interviews, behind the scenes insights, and a deep dive into the themes that have made Yellowstone a cultural phenomenon. Our family legacy is this ranch.

Todd (96:06)

My protector of my life.

Dan Patrick (96:08)

Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. This is Lexi Brown and Mariah Rose and we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday. We're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball.

Marvin (96:29)

We've got you with analysis, inside stories and a little bit of tea.

Dan Patrick (96:33)

Full circle is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to Full circle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our De, Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.

Todd (96:59)

Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter.

Dan Patrick (97:08)

Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Marvin (97:14)

This is my Legacy.