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Mark Seal
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Julie Stewart-Banks
What's up everyone? Julie Swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Nate Thompson
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Nate Thompson
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colleen Witt
Are you hungry? Colleen Witt here and Eating While Broke is back for Season four every Thursday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. This season we've got a legendary lineup serving up broke dishes and even better stories. On the menu. We have Tony Baker, Nick Cannon, Melissa Ford, October London and Carrie Harper Howey turning Big Macs into big moves. Catch Eating While Broke every Thursday on the BL Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your favorite shows, come hungry for Season four.
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Mark Seal
I'm Mark Seale.
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Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
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Mark Seal
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Dan Roth
The five families did not want us.
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Mark Seal
To shoot that picture.
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Nathan King
This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seals bestselling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.
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Mark Seal
Yes, that was a real horse's head.
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Nathan King
Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Mel Reid, LPGA Tour winner and six time Ladies European Tour winner.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
And Kyra K. Dixon, NBC Sports Reporter and host.
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Nathan King
And we've got a new podcast, Quiet Please with Mel and Kira.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
We are bringing you spicy takes on.
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Mark Seal
Sports and pop culture, some interviews with.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
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Nathan King
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Mark Seal
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Steve Covino
You are listening to the Dan Patrick.
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Dan Patrick
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host and you can see him on football night in America. All right, give me the head scratcher there. Of all the moves, all the different signings.
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Mark Seal
Well, okay, I, I mean, I don't know if I got head scratchers. I got one that surprised me. I think the one that surprises me may more than any is I did not think I would be sitting here Tuesday after the first day of free agency uttering the words J.C. horn, highest paid DB in NFL history. Right. That one was a little surprising to me. Good player. I get that. Been injured a lot during his career. I know they need good defensive players there in Carolina. That was an issue. Right. But they're paying him like he's Pat Certain or Sauce Gardener and he's certainly not that and hasn't been able to stay on the field that way. That to me was a surprising one. Again, I'm never going to get mad at a team for signing a guy they like, they drafted, they see potential in. But I didn't think again, it was going to be the highest paid DB in the history of football. That was, that was surprising.
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Dan Patrick
And a lot of attention goes to the quarterbacks and rightfully so. But this feels like this is the stock up on offensive and defensive lineman where it's not going to get headlines, but it's going to win you games, it's going to get you into the playoffs, it's going to help somebody win a Super Bowl. Is there.
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Mark Seal
That's right.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. But is there a move that was let's non skill level that you would go, wow, that's a big upgrade or that that'll be a big difference for this team.
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Mark Seal
Well, there's two teams that jump out and they have a number of moves. Right. And the one you were kind of, you were just making fun of a little bit, right, with Milton Williams. But again, Dan, it's like the first thing I got to say is this is how good the Eagles are that they're an all star team. It's as good of a team as we've seen in a long, long time. Right. They're so good they stashed a guy they were paying $17 million a year and was the Top free agent pass rusher in last year's draft. And they said just sit on the bench, we're good enough, we could just, we'll keep you there. So I knew and thought all along and said this yesterday that Milton Williams between the Cardinals and Jonathan Gannon who was in Philadelphia, of course Carolina got involved. That was a big deal. But further along with what they did there in New England, not only the Milton Williams trade, but to get Carl or signing, get Carlton Davis, who was still a damn good corner and now you got opposite of him, Christian Gonzalez. So you got two guys on the outside that can shut people down. And Harold Landry, who Vrabel had history within Tennessee, is still a really, really good football player. Right. So I look at some of those moves and even the Morgan Moses move at offensive tackle as going, wow, like you're saying in the trenches, quality signings there. The Patriots certainly improved their team in a big way yesterday. Them and the Bears, I thought really were the ones that jumped out to me more than others.
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Dan Patrick
Dan, if you're Aaron Rodgers and you have your choice of the Giants, of the Steelers.
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Mark Seal
Yeah, it's, it's Steelers. It is, it's, it's the Steelers at least are Mike Tomlins on more solid ground I believe than you know, Brian Dabel or Joe Shane. Right. So there's that aspect. You certainly can look at the Steelers and go wait, this is a team that's been in the playoffs. They get to the playoffs, yeah, they're one and done, right. But they're doing some things a little differently there. They're making some drastic moves. What they traded for DK Metcalf and paid them all this money. They usually don't do that type of stuff. We know that their defense, they got some disruptors and some playmakers there. I think that one there, you know, if it's apples to apples, there's no doubt the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the team for Aaron Rodgers.
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Dan Patrick
That means Russell Wilson to the Giants.
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Mark Seal
I don't know what it means for the Giants. That doesn't excite me very much. See the other thing that I think we're seeing going on right here, you know, good players in free agency, all the movement, the free agent players there wasn't a big time market this year. Right. Or at least high end players. So we saw a lot of guys get re signed at the last second trades like DK Metcalf and some other ones out there. And then the other thing that's jumped out to me this weekend is I think the NFL is telling you they don't like the draft, the quarterback draft, right. Anybody not named Cam Ward, I think everybody's a little bit like, I like him, but I don't know if I love him. Right. That. That's the feeling I'm getting, at least by the signals out there. So, yeah, the Giants, the. The options are limited. I don't know what they do there, but it seems like we're getting a spot here where there'll be more and more pressure on them to take a quarterback at number three.
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Dan Patrick
You just think Cam Ward is the only guy who grades out to maybe be a starter right away.
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Mark Seal
Cam Ward is. I haven't come out with my rankings yet, but I've said this on my. He's definitely the number one quarterback. That's. That's not debatable. Right. This will be a year where I have a hard time thinking all 32 teams will be in consensus that that is the number one guy. Cam Ward is worthy of being the number one pick. Cam Ward, to me would be in the conversation with Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels as the top quarterbacks in last year's draft. I think he's worthy of that. I had Bo Nicks number three. I think if I was going to be fair, I'd probably would have Cam Ward in front of him if it was back into those times. Even though I love Bo Nicks, don't get me wrong. So, yeah, I look at it that way and then where I look at like Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart, I feel like they would have been towards the bottom of last year's list, but still, I look at Shador Sanders and still go starting caliber stuff. First rounder. I don't love all the crap he's getting, you know, in place is certainly not. And there's a lot to like about his film.
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Dan Patrick
The jets getting Justin Fields.
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Mark Seal
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Hold your excitement. Well, I like the move. I like the move.
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Steve Covino
Right.
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Dan Patrick
Because he at least is going to go out, you know, if he stays healthy, he at least can make some plays. It's. He could be interesting there. I think your expectation level is greatly reduced because it's just in fields and.
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Mark Seal
That's right.
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Dan Patrick
And maybe you can get eight or nine win, like maybe best case scenario, maybe Rogers, you know, we thought they could go to the Super Bowl.
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Mark Seal
I hear, I hear you. And I think, you know, one on top of that, you give. Get Justin Fields, that type of contract, what he got, that doesn't take you out of the market for if, if. If Shador Sanders is there for you to pick, right? And you want to take it. You're now we're not going to be like Kirk Cousins, Michael Penix and be like, what? Why did they pay him $150 million and now they're drafting the number seven quarterback. That makes no sense. So it does give them some wiggle room there. And then I think on top of what you're saying, there is potential, it's gotten better throwing the football. There still needs to be more there. I mean, it's not, you know, what you want as far as throwing the football out of your starter in the NFL, but it's good. And then you got to get in the playmaking. And then I also think with like what you're saying, Aaron Glenn, he's going, wait, I want a team here. I'm about a team. I just came from Detroit. I want to run, I want to play physical football. I got an awesome defense here that I'm going to coach up and make them even more awesome, right? And he's going to play team style of football. And then, yes, this gives them wiggle room, buys them time to figure out what they want to do for the quarterback of the future. Or Justin Fields ups his game and shows us he's the quarterback of the future. So from all that, I, I, it makes sense because I don't think they wanted to be held hostage by Aaron Rodgers and what he might have wanted to run the offense and how he wanted things to look. And I, I get it, what the jets are doing.
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Dan Patrick
Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co host, also unbuttoned the Chris Sims podcast and a contributor to Football Night in America. Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Geno Smith?
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Mark Seal
I would take Geno. All right. I would take Geno. Yeah, I'm a Geno fan. I like Sam Darnold now. And this is, I mean it's, it's close, right? It's close. But I would take Gino. But also within that, okay, if you told me, wait, you can get Sam Darnold for a little less money and you can get a third round pick, I might go, well, I don't know, maybe I will tip the scales towards Sam Darnold then a little bit. And I think that's what Seattle looked at it like, let alone, I think Seattle's a little like, hey, we know Gino was in the quarterback of the future. We know that. And we're not necessarily Sam Darnold is either, but we like him. And I think the biggest thing here too, Dan is Clint Kubiak. He had a full year, right, with, with Sam Darnold when he was in New Orleans, I mean, San Francisco. So he knows what he's all about. He's been there, he's coached him. Sam Darnold is going to be able to know his offense quite, you know, quite quickly there. So that makes sense. And Mike McDonald, I think what he's doing is he's kind of going, wait, the Pete Carroll era is over. I'm getting my own players, my own culture here, and I'm not, you know, we're going to get an offensive line. We're going to be about defense. We're going to be about like what I was at in Baltimore or Michigan before that, where we're going to play team football, and it's not going to just be about the quarterback. And I think they're, you know, in the midst of reorganizing their, their organization here.
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Dan Patrick
It's kind of interesting, slash, maybe sad to look at what happened to the Niners, like, what could have been. We know we talk about windows of opportunity. You're good friends with the head coach of the Niners that they're saying goodbye to. Good players still have some headliners there, but what's the future, the immediate future of the Niners?
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Mark Seal
I'm glad to see they're doing it right. You got to. You got to take a step back or rip the band aid off every now and then and start new or take a step back to get two or three steps forward. And I think that's where they are. They couldn't go on with the current rate of what they were doing. Right. I've made. I've had a lot of fun with this on my pod and with Florio on pft. I mean, just think about it. I mean, their roster, the. The amount of money they have spent, the people they have on there, the high end guys, how. How can you. How can that be sustainable? They have a top five paid receiver in football and they had Debo Samuel, which was, you know, up there. They have a top three paid tight end in football. They have the number two paid running back in football. They have the top paid left tackle in football. They have to pay Brock Purdy. They have Fred Warner, who's a top three linebacker. Nick Bosa, top three defensive player in general. Lemon, your their nickelback, top paid nickelback in football. So you just, you eventually the, the rooster comes home to roost or something like that. Along those lines, you know what I'm trying to say, and The Pied Piper is. Is here. So they got to just clean the checkbook here and start new. And yeah, that team we saw to go to four NFC championships and two Super Bowls.
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Dan Patrick
It's over.
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Mark Seal
They're. They're starting a new era there.
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Dan Patrick
How about a round of applause for Chris Sims for three cliches in about 10 seconds there.
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Mark Seal
That's a record. Yeah, that's what they call those Sims isms. I know you don' my show all that much, but I. I seem to combine and confuse a lot of sayings. Right. Like if you read between the tea leaves, that's a pretty good one on my podcast or my show a lot of the time. Right. I'm famous for that.
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Dan Patrick
Devonte Adams to the Rams. But let me talk about Cooper Cups market because they're okay. It looks like they're going to release him. Is he a third receiver for somebody now?
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Mark Seal
I think that's what it is. Right. I don't like saying that. I like Cooper Cup. He's still got gas in the tank, but I mean, he's the number two receiver with the Rams and they don't want him and they don't have many receivers, so I think. Doesn't that tell you something?
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Dan Patrick
Well, they don't want him at that price.
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Mark Seal
Well, they. Exactly right. But yet they brought somebody else in for the same price to take his spot. Right. Or a little bit more.
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Dan Patrick
Well, who would you rather have, Devonte Adams or Cooper?
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Mark Seal
Devonte Adams.
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Dan Patrick
I would.
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Mark Seal
Cooper Cup, I think, be a little bit between the injuries. Right. Getting up there in age, not separating quite the same way. I think the perfect world for him is to be. Yeah, you know, a 2 really slash 3 where he could go and be the slot guy. Right. He doesn't have to get outside and beat the top corners in football. And man to man, read coverages, run great routes, tough over the middle. That's where it makes sense for Cooper Cup. But no, certainly I would take devonte Adams over him right now and Cooper.
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Dan Patrick
Cup will end up with 80 catches with the Chiefs next.
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Mark Seal
Well, it could be exactly right. Exactly right. He'll. He'll find a spot where a team values that slot receiver who is smart and runs option routes the right way. And I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a little second wind of his career. Like we saw Adam Thielen when he went from Minnesota to Carolina, who still looks pretty damn good.
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Dan Patrick
Tom Brady, you think, pulled the trigger on the Geno Smith deal.
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Mark Seal
I think he gives them the final vote of confidence. 1 hey, Pete Carroll, right. He's got history with Geno Smith, so he likes that. But I think. I think where I. And again, this. I kind of tweeted this out on Friday night or whatever night it went down that I think this was a look of Tom Brady going, I don't know if we want other quarterbacks not named Cam Ward at number six. Let's just go with a guy that we know can play is a little bit better than people realize. And you trust them, Pete. And he can start and jumpstart your culture in the locker room and convey your messages to those guys that way. I certainly think Tom Brady had a say in that. No question.
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Steve Covino
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
And if I look at this from 10,000ft, it feels like Brady says, I need. I need somebody that I can at least show up every Sunday and trust that he'll go out right. And, and. And he'll play quality football. He also has Brock Bowers. If they go after Ashton Gente. And you got Max Crosby. Okay, now you have some entertainment here. Now you at least can be competitive in your own division with those other quarterbacks. And if you got Shador Sanders, I don't think he was going to start right away. You're not going to get Cam Ward, so you get somebody they don't. Yeah, I thought maybe they get Sam Darnold, but, you know, that'll tell you what Tom thought of this situation that give me the guy that I know is proven a little bit more over time than what we've seen with Sam.
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Mark Seal
That's right. Let alone the head coach knows him. Right.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Mark Seal
So that's good. That's a good thing. The head coach, I doubt wants a rookie quarterback. Right. Pete Carroll knows he's not there for seven years. He's probably going to. Damn. I might got two, three, four at the most. So I need somebody that can hit the ground running doing all that. And then I think, yes, Brady's seeing it like you're saying or like I'm saying, he's going down this. This guy. Hey, he'll push the ball down the field. Damn. He moves better than people realize. Yeah. He's got a little experience. He sees the field and damn, his arms powerful. He can. He can be sexy and exciting that way and why we do that and all the things you mentioned. It buys Brady time and the team time to figure out what they want to do. Big picture, long term for the quarterback, because eventually Brady's going to figure it out. As long as they're in a position to where they can get a quarterback that makes sense. I mean, come on, Brady. Brady knows how to evaluate the position. He knows throwers when he sees them. He knows good decision makers, and I have no question he'll get that right eventually.
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Dan Patrick
Have you hung out with Brady socially?
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Mark Seal
Not really hung out. No. No, not really.
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Dan Patrick
When you were in New England?
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Mark Seal
Yeah, I was around a lot and around them and, you know, I had to hand them stuff all the time and, you know, I was always handing them papers. And at the time, I was always like, hey, Tom, we gotta get, like, we're wasting, like, half of the Brazilian in Giselle's home country rainforest with all this stuff we're printing out every day. Let's save the world and go to, like, the tablets or the iPad. Wait, what was your job next year? It happened.
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Dan Patrick
What was your job in New England?
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Mark Seal
Do whatever they say, boy, that's what I was. I mean, that's. Yeah, I was quality control. I had some things involved in scouting, and whatever they yelled at me to do next, that's. That was my job.
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Dan Patrick
But how did it feel, though, when Tom says, hey, oh, did you hear? Tom's getting all the guys together, go out and have beers, and then. You weren't that far then.
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Mark Seal
I wasn't invited, right? Well, one, he was like, well, he's not allowed out of his shackles, so they're not letting him out of his dungeon up there. But. But no, of course, that was a tough transition period in general. I'm sitting there just getting done playing football, going, damn, I'm better than some of these guys in the league. I can't believe this. Right? And, yeah, I'd see him and some of the other guys on the team, like, yeah, I wish I could hang out with them. I wish I could go hang with Brady right now. I really love Tom Brady as a guy. I know. I've been on him about Deflategate. There's no doubt about that. And I won't back down from that. But everything else about Tom Brady I thoroughly admire. I admired my time with him, his work ethic.
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Dan Patrick
What bothers you about deflate? That he did it and didn't admit.
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Mark Seal
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Dan Patrick
But you know what? It's a stupid rule.
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Mark Seal
Well, it's not a stupid rule. I'll disagree with you there. Then. Then let the kids. Then let Mahomes throw a college football and see what you think about that. No, no, you're gonna go yards from his feet.
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Dan Patrick
No, you get to hand. You get the ball that you want, and then I get the ball that I want.
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Mark Seal
I know, but if. If you let me take air out of the football, my arm will go up exponentially and I'll be able to control it and doing things that I wouldn't be able to do if the ball was inflated properly. What is the big deal?
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Dan Patrick
We're giving you an advantage. I get an advantage. I get the ball that I want. We do this with kickers. Why not with quarterbacks? It's silly.
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Mark Seal
Well, at some point, there has to be a baseline for everybody has to do the same thing. So in basketball, do we want to. Some of the guys aren't shooting as good. Should we tell them to lower the basketball or. Some of the guys don't run as fast. Should we tell some of the faster guys to slow down in the NFL?
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Dan Patrick
No. Each offense gets their own football. We're not talking about lowering a rim.
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Mark Seal
That's. That's not. No, I want something that's a. It's a sport of rules. And what we do and we play with a ball that's the same size. What sport does that go on?
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Dan Patrick
You sound like you're old man.
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Mark Seal
Baseballs. Hey, use a metal baseball bat this time up. Who cares? I mean, we'll let you use metal bats today, too. Let us use metal.
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Dan Patrick
There's only two people who are affected by this. The quarterbacks. That's all a couple of psis.
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Mark Seal
No, the quarterbacks. It does. And yes, it would affect wheels. It's going to help. It's going to help people who catch the ball. It's going to help the running backs and everybody else that has to grab the ball, not fumble the ball as much because it's not properly inflated. So now you can squeeze it to death. Yes.
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Dan Patrick
You're like your old man.
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Mark Seal
I'm just the realest dude you've ever met. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. Good to talk to you, but no, other than that. Brady's awesome.
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Bruce Pearl
And.
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Mark Seal
And what Brady did show us is that two weeks later in Super Bowl 49, he could throw lasers all over the field. And that's why I was mad at that, because I was like, you don't need that. You're the man. That's all. That was my point.
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Dan Patrick
You know, Aaron Rodgers over inflated footballs.
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Mark Seal
I. Listen, if you want to make it harder on yourself, go ahead.
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Dan Patrick
I mean, no, he told me that he over inflated. Nobody got upset about that because that.
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Mark Seal
Everybody would go, that's a disadvantage. Nobody in football would go, put a bigger object. It had to be to make it.
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Dan Patrick
It had to be an advantage for him to overinflate it.
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Mark Seal
I, I, I mean, he must have just liked how it felt in his hand, right? That that would be the big thing. But I don't think you're going to find a common consensus of quarterbacks through the history of time. They're going to go make the ball bigger and heavier and I'll throw it better. Aaron Rodgers is a freak of nature, right? He's got gigantic hands and he's arguably the greatest arm ever. And why'd you got to do this to me? Why'd you never bring me down this lane with Brady and all this? Now I got to hear this crap again. Brady's the man. Get off his back. Get off my back.
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Dan Patrick
Get off my lawn. That's what you should be saying. Thank you, Chris.
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Mark Seal
All right, guys, see you.
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Dan Patrick
Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk LIVE CO host, FOOTBALL Night in AMERICA Look, Tom lied, that's all. It's a silly rule.
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Steve Covino
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Mark Seal
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Dan Patrick
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Steve Covino
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Mark Seal
Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with One of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.
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Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Nate Thompson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [24:31]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [24:38]
Dan Roth
Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine Tuhill on how to treat AI like a partner.
- [24:51]
Steve Covino
I see AI as an incredible co pilot. You may use different tools or toys.
- [24:56]
Mark Seal
To get the work done, but ultimately.
- [24:57]
Steve Covino
As editor, as creator, as maker, you own it and it needs to be good. AI is just the latest flavor of that. You're still the judge of what good looks like.
- [25:08]
Dan Roth
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working. Leaders like Indra Nooyi, Ray Dalio and Rich Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [25:25]
Mark Seal
I'm Mark Seal.
- [25:27]
Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
- [25:28]
Mark Seal
This is Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli.
- [25:30]
Dan Roth
The five families did not want us.
- [25:32]
Mark Seal
To shoot that picture.
- [25:34]
Nathan King
Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birthday. From start to finish, this is really.
- [25:46]
Steve Covino
The first interview I've done in bed.
- [25:49]
Nathan King
We sift through innumerable accounts.
- [25:51]
Mark Seal
35 pages isn't very much.
- [25:53]
Nathan King
Many of them conflicting.
- [25:54]
Bruce Pearl
That's nonsense.
- [25:55]
Nathan King
There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.
- [25:59]
Bruce Pearl
And they said we're Finished. This is over.
- [26:01]
Mark Seal
It only is not going to work. You gotta get rid of those guys.
- [26:04]
Colleen Witt
This is that.
- [26:05]
Nathan King
Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.
- [26:14]
Mark Seal
Yes, that was a real horse's head.
- [26:17]
Nathan King
Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [26:26]
Mark Seal
Something about Mary Poppins?
- [26:27]
Dan Roth
Something about Mary Poppins? Exactly.
- [26:30]
Mark Seal
Oh, man, this is fun.
- [26:31]
Dan Roth
I'm AJ Jacobs and I am an author and a journalist and I tend to get obsessed with stuff and my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast, the Puzzler. Dressing. Dressing.
- [26:48]
Mark Seal
French dressing.
- [26:50]
Dan Roth
Exactly.
- [26:52]
Mark Seal
Oh, that's good.
- [26:54]
Dan Roth
Now you can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears.
- [27:00]
Colleen Witt
I thought to myself, I bet I know what this is. And now I definitely know what this is.
- [27:04]
Mark Seal
This is so weird. This is fun. Let's try this one.
- [27:08]
Dan Roth
Our brand new season features special guests like Chuck Bryant, Mayim Bialik, Julie Bowen, Sam Sanders, Joseph Gordon Levitt and lots more. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's awful and I should have seen it coming.
- [27:31]
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [27:57]
Mark Seal
The way I approach risk is constantly.
- [27:59]
Dan Roth
Try things and actually make it okay to fail.
- [28:02]
Bob Pittman
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.
- [28:06]
Mark Seal
I wanted a way to do something.
- [28:08]
Bob Pittman
That I loved for the rest of my life. We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna.
- [28:18]
Dan Patrick
It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think.
- [28:24]
Mark Seal
Is the right thing for the world.
- [28:25]
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [28:40]
Dan Patrick
He's the head coach of the Auburn Tigers, his 11th year there. He's Bruce Pearl, it was six years ago in Minneapolis. I had you in studio. You had your team in the final four. And I said to Paulie, I'm going to make Bruce Pearl cry that day. And you did shed a tear, a light tear, but I got you to cry. Hi, Bruce.
- [29:06]
Bruce Pearl
Hi, Dan. How are you?
- [29:09]
Dan Patrick
I'm great. I'm not going to try to make you cry this time.
- [29:14]
Bruce Pearl
You know, of all your great accomplishments over the course of your career, I hope my shedding a tear isn't one of them.
- [29:25]
Dan Patrick
It was just a goal to see if I could, you know, bring out that emotion. Because you're an emotional guy. You. You say you cry a lot. I don't know if you've cried the last two games that you lost. You know, no offense here, the timing of this, but. But, you know, when's the last time you cried?
- [29:45]
Bruce Pearl
Let's see. I probably cried after we beat Kentucky at RUP and won the championship. I'd say. I would say probably, you know, I'm pretty passionate. You talk about family, talk about the Lord, you know, talk about the blood, sweat, and tears that go into all the things that it takes to win a championship. In other words, just like, putting up with me and my expectations, my accountability, my. You know, my temper. I'm grateful. Grateful and blessed. And did not cry after we lost to Texas A and M and Alabama because we've lost four games. We've lost to Duke and John Shire at. John Shire at Duke. We lost to Todd golden at Florida, and those had been the only two losses we had had for a long time. And so for a while, I could say, like, the only coaches in the country that I'm willing to lose to are Jewish coaches, Don Shire and Todd Bolden. Like, if you're not Jewish, I'm not losing to you. We Jews don't like to lose very often, in case you haven't noticed, with. I'm Yisrael Chai, and. But then Buzz Williams came in. He ranked, you know, 14th in the country. And. And then, of course, we lost the Nate Oates, and I don't think either one of those guys, you know, go to temple.
- [31:03]
Dan Patrick
Fritzi, would you check and see if they're. The other two coaches are Jewish?
- [31:06]
Mark Seal
I'll take a look.
- [31:07]
Dan Patrick
All right, thank you. Good Yontiff. Okay, so why'd you cry after you lost or won at Kentucky at Rupp Arena?
- [31:16]
Bruce Pearl
Yeah, you know, I think just. I guess the motion of it all, the. The. The. The being. Being, you know, really, really grateful. Dan, I think what we do as we work in this, this, this ministry or in this thing about coaching, we are, we are, we are built to win and compete for championships. We really, truly do. And at the end of the day, there was a championship that could be won. I didn't cry at the, when we beat, when we, when we won the Maui Invitational, you know, that, that, you know, that wasn't, that wasn't big enough. But I think because the league was so good and it was so hard and every night you had to kind of get ready and there were a lot of upsets. My basketball team did not get upset very, at all in the sense that they beat a lot of people they were supposed to be. And I could probably just try to cried out of gratitude, gratefulness.
- [32:13]
Dan Patrick
Who's the best player in college basketball this year?
- [32:17]
Bruce Pearl
Well, I think Jani Broom is that it should be the college player of the year because of all that he's accomplished and all that he's able to do for our team. Leads us in scoring and rebounding and assists and, and, and, and obviously stepped up in the biggest games. I think Cooper Flagg at Duke is going to be, if he's not the first player drafted, is going to be one of the top players drafted. And, and Cooper is an amazing player who plays so hard and impacts the game so much. But what Auburn has done this year through this league to have 16 quad one wins has never been done before. That means we had 20 games against the quad one. Now, when you're playing a quad one game, I don't care where you're ranked one through 35, let's say we've got a 55, 60% chance of winning that game, even if we're one playing against the team that's 20. And with 16 of those out of 20 is just unprecedented. And so therefore, I feel like our best player is the best player in college basketball.
- [33:19]
Dan Patrick
Okay, let's say you're coaching Cooper Flag.
- [33:22]
Bruce Pearl
Yep.
- [33:23]
Dan Patrick
And you want him to come back for another year, but you want him to realize he wants to come back for another year, not you. Selfishly, as a coach, how would you go about trying to convince Cooper Flag to stay one more year?
- [33:37]
Bruce Pearl
Well, first of all, I would, I would only try to convince him to do it if I truly felt like it was in his best interests, not just in mine.
- [33:46]
Dan Patrick
Have you seen the Washington Wizards roster, Bruce?
- [33:51]
Bruce Pearl
Yes, I have. Here's the one factor that I would ask him to consider. Dan, you know this because you've been doing this a long time. It's not how much you make, it's how long you can make it. That's the truth. And so the question for Cooper Flagg would be what's the best position for you to be in for your second and your third contract? And if there can be any discussion about the fact that at 18 or 19, when you are in position at age 21, maybe to have to sign that second big contract. You know, there's a difference between being rich and being wealthy. People that are wealthy have made it for a long time. And so that's the only thing I would look at as far as what might be in his best interest is would waiting another year put him in a better position to sign that second and third contract that that takes him from being rich to wealthy?
- [34:44]
Dan Patrick
He's only 18.
- [34:46]
Bruce Pearl
That's right.
- [34:47]
Dan Patrick
Crazy, crazy.
- [34:48]
Bruce Pearl
That would be the only factor.
- [34:50]
Dan Patrick
We're talking to Bruce Pearl Auburn Head coach SEC Conference tournament starts on Friday. We've talked about a variety of things. The NBA has, you know, face of the NBA. Could we get the non North America basketball players to play against the, you know, US Based players in the All Star game? Like, where do you see, you know, the globalization of basketball? Is the future in, in Europe and other countries more so than it is in the United States? If you consider, I could probably give you seven or eight of the top 10 players in the game and they're not from the United States.
- [35:27]
Bruce Pearl
Yeah, the game, I think the game is in great shape, Dan, in the sense that worldwide it's really, really popular. And you're right, some of these international players, European players, are playing the game better than our guys have. One of the factors has been just the skill level that they are brought up through a training program that isn't like high school, aau, college, so on and so forth. At the same time, your interest in our game and the college game has never been better. Like the numbers that we're pulling for the best. This is tremendous regular season in college basketball, just even just the sec. How many ranked teams against ranked teams and then how many of those games delivered like the last two Saturdays in the sec, Alabama, Tennessee, overtime, Auburn, Alabama overtime. And the ratings are really good. I don't know, I read a little bit about what's going on with the NBA and. But I couldn't tell you why some of those numbers are down, but our numbers have never been stronger.
- [36:33]
Dan Patrick
But the talent level, I mean, they're young, they're, you know, these guys, I mean, Joker's what, 30 or you know, somewhere around there. But if you put in Giannis, you put in Embiid, and you put in Luca, Shea, Gilgis, you know, from Canada in. And maybe we go back to the Dream Team that. The dream team in 92 sort of, you know, birthed this. They, they spawned all of this. I'm just curious, does the, Does U. S Basketball try to model itself after, you know, instead of this aau and we've seen that basketball, it can be pretty ugly. Talented, but ugly. Feels like, you know, what Europe is doing in other countries is they get you into a system, learn how to handle the ball, learn, you know, the fundamental, be a big guy, handle the ball on the perimeter, like all of these things. Feels like the US Is missing out on that opportunity.
- [37:27]
Bruce Pearl
Well, I think there are people that are in the professional basketball and world basketball that are studying this very factor right now. They're absolutely looking at it. You know, the best explanation I can have for it is the age that they have these European kids starting to train, the specialization into, you know, the one particular sport. They don't have the same, you know, rules as far as how many hours you can or can't train, whether you're a high school player and you can only practice a certain amount of time and certainly in college, so on and so forth. You know, I think the other thing too, that the skill level right now is what is dominating our sport, in a sense, that the men are so big and they're so strong and they're so athletic that now we are putting five guys out there on the perimeter of the three point line and spreading the floor just so that we have some space to be able to drive down the lane and make plays. Because nobody, hardly ever anybody, is putting a post player on the inside because there's just no room for them. So in some ways, the size and the athleticism of the American player that may have been a dominating force in basketball is now no longer as an important a cog as the ability to spread the floor and have the skills to be able to shoot and handle, which is more akin to the European player.
- [38:54]
Dan Patrick
Okay, but what would you do with Shaq if he was your center?
- [38:58]
Bruce Pearl
Oh, I'd find a way. I have Jani Broom right now and we're going to find ways to get him inside and run our offense accordingly. So no, no, you give me Shaq. His big ass is going to be on the block and good luck. The only way you're going to stop him is to hack a shack him.
- [39:16]
Dan Patrick
Who's the best player you recruited didn't Get. But the best player you. You recruited.
- [39:23]
Mark Seal
Wow.
- [39:25]
Bruce Pearl
Well, you know, it's interesting. AJ debansta was somebody that. The kid is young man that's going to byu. He grew up in Boston and actually grew up in Brockton, which is really a town outside of where I grew up. And we got in early on him and guy, he's got a great family, and he was one of the highest rated players I think I've ever not gotten. Anthony Edwards, maybe in Atlanta, would have been another one that we worked on but didn't get. There's probably a long list of kids I finished second on, but those are two probably pretty big names.
- [39:59]
Dan Patrick
Tom Izzo said Chris Weber made him cry because he thought he was getting Chris Weber. And then you lose him to Michigan. That's painful.
- [40:11]
Bruce Pearl
Oh, yeah, no, no, it's that. That definitely is. I remember when Tom was an assistant for Judd Heathcote and they were playing the old Jennison Field house, and so I don't know that Michigan State's program was in position when Chris Weber was coming out out of Country Day High School in. In Detroit to pick Michigan State over Michigan. And Tom Izzo hadn't quite done what he. What he done now.
- [40:39]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but he still had the Magic Johnson era.
- [40:43]
Bruce Pearl
That's right. That's about. I don't want to speak to Michigan basketball history. Michigan State basketball history, but the perception of Michigan's program at that time was much stronger than Michigan State's.
- [40:54]
Dan Patrick
When. Where were you in your career when Bird and Magic arrived on the scene in college basketball?
- [41:00]
Bruce Pearl
I was just coming out of high school. I was just starting at Boston College for Dr. Tom Davis, starting to be a manager and work in the industry.
- [41:12]
Dan Patrick
You're a lifer. You're a lifer, aren't you?
- [41:15]
Bruce Pearl
I was at B.C. in 1978, before the big east was born. I saw Dave Gavitt get that thing started. Dr. Tom Davis and the job he did at Boston College goes way under the radar because of, you know, Louis Carneseca and John Thompson, Rolly Mesimino, you know, just Jim Boeheim and UConn. And we were at B.C. kind of doing great. In those early years of the Big east, they almost took a holy Cross. Boston College had to write a $50,000 check, and the athletic director, Bill Flynn, at the time wasn't sure that was going to be a good enough investment. Had to get a donor named Bernie Polanski to write that check. Otherwise, Holy Cross would have been in the Big east. And now the acc, not Boston College.
- [42:01]
Dan Patrick
Wow. Who do you get mistaken for in public sometimes?
- [42:07]
Bruce Pearl
Lou Ferrigno. Like the incredible. The incredible. The Green Monster. That.
- [42:13]
Mark Seal
Back when I was.
- [42:14]
Bruce Pearl
When I was a little bigger. Not anymore. Every now and then. Greg Brady. Remember Brady Bunch, when I had the Afro? A little bit of that. Hey, hey. On a really good day, 30, 40 years ago, Tom Jones.
- [42:29]
Dan Patrick
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if women start throwing their underwear at you at an Auburn game, like, you know, Tom Jones in concert, I'm thinking a little bit of Jeff Garland from Curb youb Enthusiasm. Like Larry David's Good Buddy. Like. Yeah, like a smaller ver. Maybe just the face and, and your voice. You could be, you know, Jeff Garland.
- [42:54]
Bruce Pearl
I've gotten a lot, a lot greater coaches. We do age in doggy years, you know.
- [42:59]
Dan Patrick
Are you okay? Coaching seems to be the fun, easier part than the Nil and the recruiting. That fair?
- [43:07]
Bruce Pearl
Yeah, Coach. Because coaching is still, you know, teaching and, and, and, and, and developing and, and, and the gym and the ball and, and look, I like Nil, Dan, because we're way overdue. Thank God for Nil, for you, for me and what made this country great. And obviously the numbers that these kids are getting right now tells you how late the NCAA was recognizing the value of these student athletes. Now, listen, there's no. Right now, there. There are no rules. There are no regulations. We got to find some. We got to. We got to. If we're going to have a national champion, Dan, then we truly need to be playing more by the same rules. They play more by the same rules in Major League Baseball, the NFL and the NBA right now than we are in college. And we are trying to figure it out. There needs to be bipartisan support in Washington, D.C. to try to find a way to bring this great college system back while we're able to compensate the student athletes. You know, wait, for what they're worth, but there's gotta be some guardrails. Senator Ted Cruz has got legislation right now, but you know how Washington, D.C. is completely dysfunctional, and if the Republicans want it, the Democrats won't. We got to find a way to bring it, to be able to have the intercollegiate system, what we do, and still compensate our student athletes. And I think that's the best way to doing it right now. We're just putting band aids on it and we're all trying to navigate it.
- [44:37]
Dan Patrick
Great to talk to you. Congrats on the success. Hopefully you don't run into a Jewish head coach the rest of the season, but thank you for joining us.
- [44:45]
Bruce Pearl
Always a pleasure. Dan. And thanks for not making me cry.
- [44:48]
Dan Patrick
All right, all right. This time, that's Bruce Pearl. Friday, SEC tournament. They will get underway. Opponent to be determined.
- [44:57]
Steve Covino
Be sure to catch the live edition.
- [44:58]
Mark Seal
Of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.
- [45:04]
Dan Patrick
And the iHeartRadio appointment.
- [45:07]
Julie Stewart-Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
- [45:17]
Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters, and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.
- [45:24]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate. And JSB is the name of the podcast, and it's gonna be, well, it's gonna be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.
- [45:36]
Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
- [45:45]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what Energy alliance are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [45:57]
Nate Thompson
I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [46:00]
Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [46:07]
Dan Roth
Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.
- [46:20]
Bruce Pearl
Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is.
- [46:24]
Steve Covino
Do you trust me? Do I communicate well?
- [46:26]
Bruce Pearl
You know, when you walk in a room, do people feel good you're there? Are you responsive to people? Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team. Develop the people.
- [46:34]
Steve Covino
Create a system of trust.
- [46:35]
Bruce Pearl
And it works over time.
- [46:37]
Dan Roth
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast, this is Working. Leaders like Jamie Dimon, Mark Cuban, and Richard Branson share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [46:54]
Mark Seal
I'm Mark Seale.
- [46:56]
Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
- [46:57]
Mark Seal
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
- [46:59]
Dan Roth
The five families did not want us.
- [47:01]
Mark Seal
To shoot that picture.
- [47:03]
Nathan King
Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really.
- [47:15]
Steve Covino
The first interview I've done in bed.
- [47:18]
Nathan King
We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting.
- [47:23]
Bruce Pearl
That's nonsense.
- [47:24]
Nathan King
There were 60 pages. And try to get to the truth of what really happened.
- [47:28]
Bruce Pearl
And they said we're finished. This is over.
- [47:30]
Mark Seal
It only stopped going to work. You gotta get rid of those guys.
- [47:33]
Nathan King
It's just that Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.
- [47:43]
Mark Seal
Yes, that was a real horse's head.
- [47:46]
Nathan King
Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [47:55]
Mark Seal
Something about Mary Poppins?
- [47:56]
Dan Roth
Something about Mary Poppins? Exactly.
- [47:59]
Mark Seal
Oh, man, this is fun.
- [48:00]
Dan Roth
I'm AJ Jacobs and I am an author and a journalist and I tend to get obsessed with stuff and my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast, the Puzzler. Dressing. Dressing.
- [48:17]
Mark Seal
French dressing.
- [48:19]
Dan Roth
Exactly.
- [48:21]
Mark Seal
That's good.
- [48:23]
Dan Roth
Now you can get your daily puzzle nuggets delivered straight to your ears.
- [48:28]
Colleen Witt
I thought to myself, I bet I know what this is. And now I definitely know what this is.
- [48:32]
Mark Seal
This is so weird. This is fun. Let's try this one.
- [48:37]
Dan Roth
Our brand new season features special guests like Chuck Bryant, Mayim Bialik, Julie Bowen, Sam Sanders, Joseph Gordon Levitt and lots more. Listen to the Puzzler every day on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's awful and I should have seen it coming.
- [49:00]
Bob Pittman
Hi, I'm Bob Pippman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [49:26]
Mark Seal
The way I approach risk is constantly.
- [49:28]
Dan Roth
Try things and actually make it okay to fail.
- [49:31]
Bob Pittman
I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist.
- [49:35]
Mark Seal
I wanted a way to do something that I loved for the rest of my life.
- [49:39]
Bob Pittman
We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times. Like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna, it.
- [49:47]
Dan Patrick
Becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is.
- [49:53]
Steve Covino
The right thing for the world.
- [49:54]
Bob Pittman
Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math and the ever important creative spark. Work the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of Marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [50:09]
Dan Patrick
Lewis Riddick from the Mothership, ESPN college Football NFL analyst and former front office executive with the Eagles and Washington all right, instant replay came into our world on this day in 1986. Has instant replay been good for sports or bad?
- [50:35]
Steve Covino
Look, I think it's been both. And I know that sounds like a little bit of a cop out, right? I think you want to maintain as much of the human element the game as possible. You don't want to slow it down too much. You don't want to have it be a constant barrage of replays. But you know what, when there are game changing plays, games, I mean plays that can really, just really substantially affect the outcome and you know that they are blatantly missed, I think that's one replay. When it gets it right in those kind of situations, I think that's good for the game because I think ultimately that's what we all want. We want the, you know, we want the right teams to win by abiding by the rules and the teams to be punished that don't abide by the rules. So it's, you're never, Dan, I don't think you're ever going to have like 100 consensus of whether or not replay is good, gifted game or not. Because as soon as you start there's too many replays, people start complaining about the fact that it's slowing down the game. And you know what, just let the refs rep. And then as soon as refs missed and as soon as the refs miss a call, it's like which, which league do the ref suck more? Is it the NBA or is it the NFL? Is it the script? Are these games rigged? Is Roger Goodell trying to protect Patrick Mahomes? Blah, blah blah. No one's ever happy. That's kind of like the world we live in right now.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I was always bothered it came in as instant replay, then they changed it to replay because it wasn't instant. So that was one of my big problems. All right, let me you, you worked in two front offices. You worked with the Eagles in Washington. I'm going to put you in the Steelers front office.
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Steve Covino
Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
You decide who's going to be your quarterback between Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers.
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Steve Covino
I would. Look, I, I would, I would go with, with Aaron because I, I said all along I believe the organization needs him. He needs this kind of organization, I think at this point in his career. What's my rationale for that? Why do they need him? Pittsburgh needs to level up somehow, some way at quarterback. They just do. They have been stuck in this kind of like mid range, mid tier mode of operating at that position and figured as though Mike Tomlin could coach his way around and the defense could create enough turnovers to get around it. They could run the ball well enough to get around it. They could play renegade enough to where they would create some kind of magic in the stadium and that would be enough. And it's not enough. They've got to level up somehow and that's either through veteran, the veteran market or the draft where they're drafting right now. Is it possible for them to still get someone late in the first round that could wind up helping them at the position? Yeah, I believe that there is. But when we're just talking about free agency, Aaron levels up for them. He just does with his knowledge, which I would. I still think he has left in the gas tank as far as his ability to play the game and how he could help this offense, in particular the passing game, become more dynamic. He will need to abide by a much more rigid structure in Pittsburgh and not think that he can come in there and bring in all of his buddies, bring in, got in there and pick, hand pick his offensive coordinator and call the plays that he wants all the time and like basically run the show. He's not running the show and he doesn't really need to at this point and I wouldn't, I wouldn't entrust him to do that, that anyway. And Mike's not going to let him do that and Arthur Smith's not going to let him do that. So I think he needs to just focus on playing ball coming back the second year off of this Achilles and actually going out the way he wants to go out and have people look at him the way he wants people to look at him. Pittsburgh needs to level up. So yeah, I think it's a, I think it's a good combination on the surface. Now we don't know how Mike feels about that. We don't know how Arthur Smith feels about that. We don't know how DK Metcalf and George Pickens are going to react. There And Rodgers getting in their rear end about not doing things the right way. There's a lot of things, things that still would have to be worked out. But that's, that's, that's the same, the same thing is true with every free agent transaction. There's always going to be things to work out.
- [54:22]
Dan Patrick
But then does Russ in the game of musical chairs end up with the Giants?
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Steve Covino
Probably. He probably does. And you know what I think, Look, I think both of these guys at this point in time in their career are bridge players. It's just a matter of whether or not that's a one year bridge or a multiple year bridge. In Pittsburgh, it could be a multiple year bridge for Aaron because they don't have a, they're not really in position to get what we would term as a surefire long term solution given where they're, where they're drafting. So he may be going into, he could be possibly going into a situation there where he could extend this thing to two, maybe three years if he wanted to play that long. If you're in, if you're in New York, you know for sure Russell Wilson, that being Russell Wilson knows for sure that as soon as he walks in there, he's already on the clock. They're already thinking about what the next option is. Then it may be this year, who knows? But they may think, hey, you know what, we'll sit Pat, we'll play with Russ for a year, we'll draft Travis Hunter, maybe we'll move down. Who knows, maybe we'll accumulate some more picks and continue to try and build out this roster, which is. You know what, I'll tell you what. I know it sounds like I'm going to be ranting here a little bit, but that, that's probably one of the most annoying things for me to hear at this time of year all the time is let's trade down and get more picks and build up the roster and then just plug, getting the quarterback like you just pick one off of my grandma's cherry tree and plug him in there. But that may be what they're thinking. I don't know if I'm Joe Shane right now though. I'm Brian Dable. I'm thinking I need to win some games, man, and I need to win them this year. So that's what makes this time of year so fun to see how these teams ultimately wind up constructing the roster, who they get and then how it pans out in New York. There's going to be no team you talk about more next year than the Giants, that's for sure.
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Dan Patrick
And we have a bet on the show. The Will there be more running backs than quarterbacks? Taken in the first.
- [56:09]
Steve Covino
I heard you guys talking about that. All right, that's a good one.
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Dan Patrick
What do you think?
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Steve Covino
I think it will be running backs. Months ago, a GM who I respect a ton said, look, this is the best year I've seen for running back since I've been a general manager. He's been a general manager for a little bit now, and he's someone who really does do a good job of evaluating that position in particular. And I agree. I've seen a bunch of these guys in person this year and when you start watching the tape, you have guys who are big, strong, powerful dudes and you've got some guys who are kind of like Jibbs. I don't want to say scat back type dudes, but guys were real electric in terms of their ability to stop, start and go 70, 80 on you. And even the big dudes can do that. I mean, you look at Omarion Hampton, you start thinking, Joe Mixon, I mean, you, I'm sitting there watching him and I'm going, is that Joe Mixon in a North Carolina uniform? And then you, you look at Ashton and I'm, I'm telling you, people's, you know, people think I'm crazy. I'm going, that's Emmett Smith with better speed. That's what it is. That's what that is. I watch Prashard Smith from smu. I'm sitting there going, if that ain't Jameer Gibbs, I don't know who is. There's all kinds, man. There's all kinds. And if you need, if you're a, if you need it back this year, I mean, you may not take him in the top 10, top 15. Although I think Ashton deserves to go that high. I think you will see this will be a heavy year for backs going in the first round, top of the second for sure. And once that run starts, they're going to be people just picking them up for sure.
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Dan Patrick
Louis Riddick, part of ESPN, ESPN's ongoing NFL free agent coverage. You can catch him with Adam Schefter and more today on ESPN from three until five. You're sold on Cam Ward going as the number one, number one quarterback. Are you sold that Shador Sanders is a first round quarterback?
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Steve Covino
Yes, I am.
- [57:52]
Dan Patrick
Top 15 type quarterback.
- [57:55]
Steve Covino
He's a top half of the first round. He's a top half.
- [57:58]
Dan Patrick
But where is this negativity coming from? And like, it's on the field and then a little bit off the field. With how he interviewed with one coach at the combine, I. Yeah, I just. It feels like it was a smear campaign, because once it happened, then all of a sudden it's boom. Everybody kind of jumped on this. Why?
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Steve Covino
Of course. Look, they've been trying to. People have been at this game, so to speak, of trying to talk certain prospects down for years. Dion is a lightning rod. That's where it starts. It doesn't even start with Shadora. This is about. This starts with his father, and then it just trickles down to him. And it starts with his father. It's been that way since I played with Dion back in 1992 in Atlanta. People don't like flashy guys like that who can back it up. They just don't. They don't like people who are strong, confident. They're. You know, it's funny. Like, we love it, but then with some people we don't love. With Dion, he's always been a polarizing player to the people who don't know him. If you know him personally, you would be like, I get it and I love it. Give me more of it. With Shador, he has some of his father in him. There's no question. How could he not? He's the man. I mean, he's. He's the man's son. And so a lot of it comes from who he is and what his last name is. Now, as far as him individually, what. Why do they pick at him on the field? Does he have Cam Ward's arm? No. Do you need Cam Ward's arm? Do you need John Elway's arm? Do you need Josh Allen's arm in order to play high level winning football in the NFL? No. But at this time of year, we always fall back to those baseline. Those baseline, baseline levels in terms of, like, evaluating quarterbacks and saying, well, if you don't have a rocket arm, you can't play. If you don't run four, four like Lamar, and can create outside of structure and throw the ball and switch it to your left hand like Patrick Mahomes, you can't play. You're either a Hall of Famer or you suck. And that's what it always comes down to at this time of year with quarterbacks. There is no in between. And quite honestly, I think that that discussion stems from the fact that I don't know if people really ever know what the hell they really think about quarterbacks because it's such a dependent position. And it's so hard to get your arms around it. Shador is very smart. He can process like hell. He's a good leader. He's got good feet in the pocket. He throws a great ball. He has a lot of anticipation, and he's tough as hell. He got the crap bait out of him at Colorado.
- [60:20]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
- [60:21]
Steve Covino
I was at games and calling games where I'm sitting there looking at Dion, who is like, pleading with his son, throw the ball away. Or pleading with offensive coordinator, run the ball. My son's getting murdered out here. He'll be fine.
- [60:37]
Dan Patrick
Daniel Jones just signed with the Colts.
- [60:40]
Steve Covino
Yeah.
- [60:42]
Dan Patrick
Is he going in thinking he gets to compete for that job?
- [60:46]
Steve Covino
There's no question. I mean, why else would you switch teams at this point, considering what you have in Minnesota in terms of the weapons that they have, the coaching staff? And I'm not taking anything away from Shane Steichen because a lot of respect for Shane. Daniel Jones is looking for an opportunity to really compete, to play, and you're not going to tell me otherwise that the people in Indianapolis didn't tell him that you are going to have a chance to compete. We want somebody to push Anthony, and if you beat him out, you beat him out. Simple as that. That isn't happening in Minnesota. They're. They are trying to get JJ ready to play this year. They're not going to force it, but they're trying to get him ready to play. The way he looked last off season and the way he looked in the first preseason game against the Raiders. Told you this kid's developmental arc is going to go straight up. Up. There's a reason why they drafted him 10th overall. It reminds me a little bit of the way Kansas City was trying to bring along Patrick when he. When they had Alex Smith there. The only thing that derailed things is that he got hurt, is that JJ got hurt. Daniel knows that he was there every day. He knows how they feel about him. He knows he doesn't really have a chance to start there. If jj is. Is JJ's knees fine, it's over. That's why he went to Indy. And if I'm Anthony Richardson right now, what I'm really interested to see is how he responds, Dan, to this. How does he respond? It's going to be. I hate it for the kid. It's going to be so hard for him to ever shake the stigma that's going to follow him, the story that's going to follow him because of that one decision he made down there in Houston.
- [62:19]
Dan Patrick
How many years did you play defensive back?
- [62:22]
Steve Covino
Seven.
- [62:23]
Dan Patrick
Okay, how many? Give me the number of quarterbacks that actually made you nervous. I don't want to say scared.
- [62:29]
Steve Covino
Oh, you can say scared. Yeah, they made me nervous as heck. Yeah.
- [62:35]
Dan Patrick
Who scared you? When you go, oh, my God, we're.
- [62:37]
Steve Covino
Playing him, John Elway, because he had TD with him, had Rod Smith, had Shannon Sharp, offensive line, had Tom Nailen, Mark Schler, Dan Neil, Tony Jones. And that. That play action passing game was just so ridiculously good. That was the year the TD went for 2000. And it was just like, as a safety, I was like, I know I got to get up here and support this run because when this guy starts going downhill, it's over. And these linemen start getting up on you, it's over. And I did that one time early in the game and Elway pulled that thing out of there and launched it. And I'm telling in mid play, you can. I can tell you, you can already guess the words that were coming out of my mouth.
- [63:24]
Dan Patrick
Oh.
- [63:25]
Steve Covino
Oh, yeah, all of them F words. Everything. The thing. The only thing that saved me, honestly, was Charles Woodson was the corner and he broke the play up. And I remember jogging back to the huddle and I was like. And he was like, hey, you know. But, yeah, Elway Marino, I got to play against Danny when he was. When he had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton and Keith Jackson and those guys down in Miami. Me. He came out. First play of the game. He comes out and he was standing there at the line and he looks at me and he winked, and I went, what does that mean? Does he mean. Does that mean I found my guy? Or does that mean, you know, hail the pit? What does that mean, man? But, yeah, those dudes were. Steve, how. Oh, you know what? It would be disrespectful for me to dismiss Steve Young. Steve. When they were in San Francisco, I played against them when I was in. When I was in Atlanta and when I was in Cleveland, they had it rolling at that time, Dan. I mean, they had it rolling. Steve was so mobile and so fast, and Brent Jones was so crafty, and they had Jerry and they had John Taylor and Ricky Waters, and it was just. I mean, it was like, come on, this isn't fair. It's not fair. So, yeah, I got to play against some great ones, man. I mean, so much respect for those guys where you literally were like, I can't make a mistake. I can't. And even if you need. If you were perfect sometimes, it just didn't matter.
- [65:06]
Dan Patrick
Always great to spend time. I know it's a busy time for you, but thanks for carving out of course. Few minutes buddy.
- [65:11]
Steve Covino
Always man. Thanks.
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