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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Develop your EQ A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me?
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Nick Cannon
Do I communicate well?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Develop the team, develop the people, create a system of trust. And it works over time.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working Leaders share strategies for success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was always around it.
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Nick Cannon
Hollywood saved me on this week's episode of Eating While Broke, a podcast presented.
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Daniel Jeremiah
By the Black Effect Podcast Network. Nick Cannon joins us to discuss his.
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Greg Rosenthal
Journey from teenage comedian to entertainment mogul. Now I do the super dad, content with my kids and everything that people go viral for. And making millions of dollars on YouTube.
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Nick Cannon
I was doing in the 90s. Listen to Eating While Broke from the.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Black Effect podcast network on America's number.
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Nick Cannon
One PODC podcast network, iHeart. Follow Eating While Broke and start listening.
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Daniel Jeremiah
On the free iHeartRadio app.
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Greg Rosenthal
Today.
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Daniel Jeremiah
The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations. But if we're honest, most people run from them, staying silent, missing chances, and holding themselves back. I know this is true because I used to be like that until I realized that negotiation isn't a talent. It's a skill that anyone can learn. And once I did, everything changed. I went from people pleaser to confident communicator. And Now I teach Fortune 500 leaders and top executives how to do the same. Listen to negotiate anything on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of Some of the darkest places imaginable. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail. But when Roger Caron picked up a.
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Nick Cannon
Pen and paper, he went from an.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Ex con to a literary darling. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcast, listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Thunder up to 66 wins, and Luca and the Lakers steal the headlines last night as he goes for 45. And it's one of those nights where you're not quite sure emotionally how locked in you can be. If you're Luca, you're going back. Are you sad? Are you angry? Are you excited? The wave of emotions here. In fact, Luca was asked about that last night after the game.
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Nick Cannon
It was a little bit of both, you know, happy and angry. But, you know, it's nice to see some familiar faces here. You know, I spent a lot of.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Times with them, like you said, you.
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Nick Cannon
Know, it was a lot of emotions.
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Daniel Jeremiah
When I woke up, I was tired.
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Nick Cannon
I ain't gonna lie. I didn't sleep much excited about this game. And I really appreciate the fans, the.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Way they reacted to and I thought they were going to give him a standing ovation. I thought they'd cheer him every time he got the ball. It was a home game of sorts for Luca on the road, and the fans made sure that he was welcomed. He felt that way. And it's not the same, but it's compartmentalizing. When Brett Favre's father died, and then Favre went out and had that unbelievable Monday night game, I think against the Raiders. And he just needed to have that escape from what happened with his father. Well, Luke is not exactly escaping. He's walking right into this. He's walking right into where it started. And then he was not so politely asked to leave. And the fact that the GM Nico Harrison is in the building, fans are chanting, fire Nico. And the over under was 30 and a half points for Luca and he blew by that in the first half. He had 31 at a halftime. But it was great to see that. And you can't forget about the Lakers are trying to get the number three seed. So you, you got to make sure you win the game. Don't get caught up in the emotion of it. Make sure you win the game. But he drops 45, they win by 15. And you know, this is what's going to be, I guess ask of Luka the rest of his career, being a leader, being mature, because, you know, LeBron's got how many more years left then it's Luca's team? And what you want to see is that maturity, that I can be a leader. We know he can be a great player. It's now, what are you going to be? Great players are always adding to their games, whether it's something that is tangible or something that, you know, maybe not so much in being a leader. A leader on the court, off the court. And yes. Do I have I said things about his. His passion, getting caught up in little things? Yes. And. And maybe that's something that he needs to have. There's certain players that like to have. It's almost like there's a. A pebble in your shoe. You're never quite comfortable. And jawing with officials, jawing with fans. I hope he grows out of that. He might not. But to be able to put up these kind of numbers and remind us too, of just how great he can be in a big moment was pretty impressive last night. All right, seaton poll question today. 8, 7 7, 3 DP show operators sitting by, taking your phone calls. And we'll get to those coming up. So what do you have for a poll question? Here's one from Paul.
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Greg Rosenthal
If you gave Mark Cuban a mulligan, dot, dot, dot. I'm assuming this is Mavericks related and.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Perhaps selling his a big chunk of the team, you think he would still do that? I don't know how much money he made. I don't know. I don't know what he wants to do. So he has a couple of billion now. I think he owned 27% of the MAVs. Would he have kept the team and become. And not sold it? So he doesn't get rid of Luka Doncic. Man, I don't know. Feels like he wants to divest himself from being an owner. He was the face of the Dallas Mavericks. He was there in his jeans, in his Dallas jersey and T shirt. And he's on the bench. Feels like he's got bigger plans, like politics. But then, you know, they're trying to get gambling. They're trying to do a whole, like, neighborhood there. It feels like with the arena, the basketball team, the new ownership there coming in from Vegas. But would he if he could do it again? Man, I don't know. Unless we had him on. To be able to be fair to him to ask that. I, like, I don't even know if I could wager a guess to say. Of course he would, because I don't know, it seems like. And. And we had Tim McMahon on, who was there for ESPN. He's written a book on Luca, and he said there's no way that Mark Cuban would ever have allowed this. And I. I understand that. I agree with that, but. And he didn't have a say in this either. Which, it. It's strange, but, you know, he owns 27 of the team, I think, and they didn't run this by him. And this might have been ownership saying, hey, we're the ones in charge here. Not our gm, not our coach, not our former owner. We're in charge. We're the ones that have to write a check for $345 million. And you know what? We're not comfortable doing. That Cuban, man, that's hard to say. That's a hell of an investment from that guy, though.
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Greg Rosenthal
I mean, he bought the team for.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Like, $285 million, something like that. Yep.
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Greg Rosenthal
And then sold it for, I don't know, like, 3.3.5.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Yeah. Damn good businessman he's had. His resume is spotty in some of the decisions that he's made, but this is a. Now, he was all in on Luca to begin with, and that's why they traded for him. But some other moves that he's made haven't gone. Gone so elegantly. Yes. Yeah. I think that was an interesting point from yesterday. We were talking about that. I mean, he had a ton of.
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Greg Rosenthal
Bad moves during his tenure, too.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Just maybe not quite this bad. Although, I mean, some of them were really terrible. Yes.
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Nick Cannon
Yes.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Paulie.
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Greg Rosenthal
Mark Cuban made an estimated 3.5 billion off the sale. He still retains a 27% stake. Dallas Morning News had an article last week where Mark said he expected to continue to run basketball when he sold the Mavs, but the NBA would not let that be put in the contract. That's where the mulligan comes in. He could have gotten the money and maybe still run basketball, but they wouldn't allow it. I wonder if that was his image. Like you said, that was a big part of his image.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Well, I think if he could have maintained control over the basketball operations, still made his money, then sure, he would want that. That's what he did want. But now they've taken away his baby, and then somebody else is raising it. And then all of a sudden, you make this move. One of the biggest moves in NBA history. And there have been times when, you know, guys have been moved. You know, you saw this Lu Alcindor when he was traded, Wilt when he was traded. So we, we've had these moments here, but that's still, it's still shocking when you trade somebody who is that young. What other poll questions do we have? Let's see what else we've got here. We've got two from the tow. How closely do you follow the first round of the Masters? Okay, follow, follow it a little bit. Yeah, a bit. See who gets out hot. Well, the odds are, and if you look, history shows that you got to be around the top 15, that, that you don't see too many come from behind wins. At least some of the analysts have talked about that. After the first day, look in the top 15, you'll probably find your winner. In the top 15, the odds to win Scotty Scheffler, then it's Rory McElroy, then you go to John Rom, Colin Morikawa, Xander Shafley, Bryson DeChambeau and Ludwig Oberg. But this is, this is all about roaring because he's played well this year. He needs the Masters for the career Grand Slam. Scheffler hasn't played great, but he's the odds on favorite. And then you got John Rom. Can you dial it up? You know, can you, can you dial up that tension that, that you need to play Augusta? You know that feeling when you're playing Augusta as opposed to playing on the live tour where you're listening to music and you're wearing shorts and really not playing for anything. Now you're playing for everything. But this is an opportunity for John rom and Bryson DeChambeau. Those are the two favorites from the live tour along with Colin Morikawa, who a lot of people like. He quietly played great this year, but weather condition should be great today. And I think there's rain in the forecast at some point. There was another story that I saw and I don't know if it's a thing or not, and that is TJ Watt had a social media post and he posted an image of himself giving the peace sign from his Instagram story, no caption. And then all of a sudden fans are wondering, does he want to be traded? I don't know if that's a peace out sign, but you know, he's entering the final year of a four year deal. He's 30 years of age. He's probably looking at Max Crosby and Miles Garrett's deals and maybe he's looking to cash in. I guess that's what I can read into this. Once again, I don't know if it's a thing or not. Here you are, the Steelers you're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. You're going to, I think, host Shador Sanders today. And now you have your best defensive player, your best player who just gives a peace sign. Should we read anything into that as we head towards the draft? A couple of defensive players getting bigger deals than his. Does he want a new deal now? Is that what he's saying? Or is he saying peace out? I want to. I want to be out of here. Which would surprise me because he's the face of the Pittsburgh Steelers right now. Yeah, Seaton. It's possible. He's a huge Point Break fan, and he's asking for two. Utah. Oh, give me two. Okay. All right. I didn't factor that in. Might be. That might be the poll question.
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Greg Rosenthal
What else could T.J. watt be signaling here? If not, I want to trade.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay. 30 years of age, what tied Strahan for the most sacks in a single season? 22 and a half. I mean, it's the final year of his contract, so you should be able to cash in one more time here. Yeah, Paulie. Yes.
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Greg Rosenthal
One more year in his contract. This year, T.J. watt will make just under $30 million.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay.
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Greg Rosenthal
But I could see wanting a. Yeah. Obvious. Wanting a contract now, because entering 32, you're not going to get the monster contract, I don't think.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Even if.
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Greg Rosenthal
Even if the production is there.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay, so is he asking out. Do you trade T.J. watt? I mean, once again, I don't know if it's a thing or not, but it felt like people were making it into a thing. And granted, it's the Steelers, and you don't know what they're doing. You don't know. You know, are they going to draft a quarterback at 21? Is Rogers going to go there? And now you have this. If you're Mike Tomlin, you're like, come on, I need something positive to happen here. Yeah. Paul, maybe he put up two fingers.
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Greg Rosenthal
Last year, we had two quarterbacks.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Right now we basically have zero. I'm going deep dive. Okay. Okay. Yeah, but, you know, it's all about timing. That Miles Garrett was up and Max Crosby was up, and they got bigger deals. Okay, if you're TJ Watt, just play this year and then sign your contract extension. Yes. Todd, let's give Aaron Rogers two more.
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Greg Rosenthal
Days or two more weeks to decide.
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Daniel Jeremiah
What he's doing, and then we've got to move on because this is getting embarrassing. I see what you're doing. Okay. All right.
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Nick Cannon
Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I don't know if there's something there or not. But it just felt like it's the NFL. It's the Steelers heading into the draft. Aaron Rogers, Shador Sanders going to be there today. Wait a minute. What's T.J. watts saying? Just put up a peace sign. Maybe it's nothing or maybe it's something. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, two to four pistols on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Joe Varden. You don't need a game to have a party. You don't need a game to have a tailgate. What you do need for both of them is Miller like 50 years, 50 year anniversary. And I said, you know, it's Miller time. And that means it's time to go to Lambeau. We're going to Drafts at the drafts. It's a taste you can depend on. You have a great beer, trusted by beer lovers for five decades. You have the malted barley for rich balanced toffee note flavors, iconic golden color. You pour that and you go, hmm, man, that looks good, tastes good. 96 calories, just 3.2 grams of carbs per 12 ounces. Miller Time, always good time. It's a great time for me. The original light beer since 1975, still iconic after 50 years. So Miller Lite, great taste. 96 calories go to millerlight.com Patrick. You'll find the delivery options near you, or you can pick up Miller Lite just about anywhere that sells beer. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Here's to Miller Lite.
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Greg Rosenthal
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Daniel Jeremiah
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Greg Rosenthal
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's R A K U T E.
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Greg Rosenthal
N what's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say this that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents, we'll have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's Advice from Google CMO Lorraine2Hill how to treat AI like a partner I.
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Nick Cannon
See AI as an incredible co pilot.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but ultimately, as editor, as creator, as maker, you own it. And it needs to be good.
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Nick Cannon
AI is just the latest flavor of that.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You're still the judge of what good looks like.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast, this Is Working, leaders like Indra Nooyi, Ray Dalio, and Rich Port Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade. The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
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Greg Rosenthal
From the building of the that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the.
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Daniel Jeremiah
History of the sport. I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that.
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Nick Cannon
We were here to try to help.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in.
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Greg Rosenthal
Large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it, come.
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Greg Rosenthal
Revisit this magical warriors ride.
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Daniel Jeremiah
This is Dove Dynasty. The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Covering the NBA for the athletic he was at the Lakers Mavs game last night. Joining us from Dallas, how would you describe the atmosphere, Joe?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I've been to a few reunion games, including Klay Thompson's as a member of the Mavericks at Golden State this year. I've never seen anything like this. There really wasn't a boo to be heard and the Lakers always get booed on the road. But every time that Luca had the ball, there was a roar. Every time he scored, it was louder. Now, at the same time, there was an incredible sense of negativity and frustration and anger in the form of when either team was at the foul line. Fans are chanting fire Nico for general manager Nico Harrison, who made this trade. So, yeah, I mean, you know, LeBron's talking about this afterwards. I mean, if you think about all the reunion games that he's been a part of and how emotional they were for. For different reasons, he was saying that it was a cool moment that he'll remember for the rest of his life.
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Daniel Jeremiah
What kind of message do you think Luca wanted to send last night?
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Greg Rosenthal
You know, I think that Luca is an introspective, sensitive young man. And I mean that in the best way. And I don't think he was looking to send a message. I think he was hoping to get through it. And, you know, he even said post game that when he's, he's sitting there alone on the bench, you know, they've already announced the other four Lakers starters and he's sitting there by himself and there's 20,000 people on top of Them all kind of looking at him and yes, they are looking at the, the video tribute that was playing before his name was called. But I really felt like it was one. It was like the, you know, a case of a singular man in the arena. And he's sitting there and he's become, he's overcome with emotion and he has to wipe his face before he can even get up. And as he walks through the Lakers after his name is called, I mean, Markeith Morris has to like grab him and like LeBron hugged him the way he'd hugged Bronnie after a tough high school game or something like it was, it was really incredible to see the genuine emotion that's coming out of everybody. So, you know, Luca has all that and then he goes out and scores 14 in the first quarter. And I think he felt a rhythm and a familiarity with the arena. I think the retribution and the payback probably comes in the future years, you know, when he's, he's now through this part. And that's assuming that Nico and Jason Kidd and those guys are there in the building, you know, in future years to, for those games. But I think that's when Luca will be over the emotional, emotional part. And, and he does have a vindictive side for sure. I think that's a great observation on your part, but I just don't think he was ready to, to use that part of himself yet.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Was Nico Harrison made available to the media?
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Greg Rosenthal
No. No, those days are largely over. You know, guys make trades all the time and, you know, maybe they don't even speak, you know, very short press conferences when coaches are fired a week before the playoffs. So that's a long way to say no. He, he didn't address it yesterday. He was in the building, standing there in the tunnel listening to that. You know, I also want to bring up this point, if it's okay about all of this. You know, there was another superstar last night who had a reunion game, and that's Anthony Davis. He's a 10 time all star, however many gold medals, NBA champion. In any other case, last night is about him and playing the lakers and playing LeBron. But of course he's overshadowed because of the whole Lucas situation. But every night that he's in the arena and he listens to his home crowd chant fire Nico, he knows it's not directed at him, but he also knows that the trade that brought him to town is why these fans want him gone. And as a, as a player of his caliber to just feel how upset everyone is essentially that he's in the building. That's tough on him. And I think you can see that wearing on him last night too.
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Daniel Jeremiah
If you gave Mark Cuban a mulligan, does he sell the majority of his interest, ownership stake in this? And. Because I think he still wanted to run the basketball portion of this and maintain 27%. But if you ask him, what do you think he would say?
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Greg Rosenthal
That's a tough question, Dan, just because, like, even, even you don't move in that kind of money. But I, you know, I, I don't, I don't understand what billions means. And so, yeah, I, I mean, I, I think that he, he achieved the financial goal that he had set out to achieve and obviously he wanted some kind of freedom in that, in that way, in shape. But, but yeah, like if, if he has to decide between that and then, you know, retaining control of this franchise that he built really. And built it into what it was. Yeah, I mean, I see the point. I think I'm going to say he still does it because there, there was a reason why he made the sale. And you have to know, you know, even if, when you, when, listen, when, when the New York Times bought the Athletic for, for a year plus two years, the, the two founders were still around and, and advising and doing this and that, but eventually, you know, ownership takes over and there's a new plan and, and that's, that's how it is with any big sale like that. So I, I think Mark had to know it and you have to be able to live with those consequences, including the trading of the franchise player that you, that you maneuvered to get and nurture.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Talking to Joe Varden, he covers the NBA for the Athletic. He was at the game last night in Dallas. How threatening are the Lakers?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, I like them because you're, you're talking about LeBron somehow playing at a, a plus level. One of the best players in the league. Lucas certainly is one of the best players in the league. And they play so well together, like I kind of knew they would. And I actually, I think there is some writing somewhere that backs that up. So this isn't hindsight. They're playing great. And then, you know, you, you trade away Anthony Davis, so you say they got smaller. But also like Jared Vanderbilt is finally healthy and he's super long. And Rui Hachimura is, is healthy and he's super long. So you're playing those two, and LeBron is playing a traditional four, sometimes a small five. You know, Jackson Hayes has been okay and Then you have Austin Reeves, who is really blossomed into the scorer and the playmaker that they need. So, you know, we always talk about experience, and that is the one bugaboo, that's that. That Oklahoma City has. They've only won one playoff series, you know, for as great as they've been the last two regular seasons. And if experience matters, you obviously have LeBron. We don't need to go over his credentials. And then you have the key representative for the Western Conference in last year's finals in Luca. So, yeah, I mean, they're. I mean, they're a tough out, for sure.
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Daniel Jeremiah
How threatening are the Warriors?
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Greg Rosenthal
I mean, I hate to be a prisoner of the moment, but last night stunk. You know, they've been tremendous since they acquired Jimmy. The trade did exactly what the organization wanted to do. It gave Steph some breathing room. It injected some life in there. And now you're talking about them like, you know, flashing their finals and championship credentials. And then they go and they lose to San Antonio last night on a buzzer beater. And now if the playoffs were today, they wouldn't be in them. They'd have to play their way in via the play in. So I, you know, when. When Boston got to the finals with Ima a couple of years ago in February, they were in seventh place and they. They rocketed up. So. So I don't want to say that that isn't possible, but I'm always going to pump the brakes on a team that's been between sixth place and eighth or ninth for most of the year.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Who's your mvp?
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Greg Rosenthal
My MVP is Shea Gilgis Alexander. And I understand the year that Nikola is having. You could certainly make the case, arguably, that statistically he's better this year than he has been in years where he's won it. Shea is the best player on the best team and has certainly built his case in any number of ways. And then on top of that, in a year where ownership decides that this. That the performance of the team is so objectionable that you have to fire the coach a week before the season's over, the MVP is not on your team.
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Daniel Jeremiah
But I think most analysts will say the best player on the planet is Nicola Jokic.
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Greg Rosenthal
Yeah, I would say that. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know how many times I voted. This is my 11th season doing this on a. On this kind of stage. So I've had a lot of votes. I admit that I, along with most of my colleagues, struggle as to what v. What valuable means are we talking about the best player. Are we talking about the team? Who is who or the player who's the most important? You know, I think it comes and goes. There was a year where we voted for Russ because he averaged a triple double. There were years where LeBron didn't get it, when he was obviously the best player in the league. So I think it's probably going to go that way. I don't think it'll be unanimous. Nikola is a tremendous player, but I, I just, I think there, I think when you consider where the Nuggets are right now and the, the. Everything they're going through and then where the Thunder are and why, I think, I think that's. That's the, that's the decider for me.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And I wonder about this with Jo moving forward. Who's going to be the coach and what's going to be the philosophy? He's 30 years of age. He's got a couple years left on this deal. But. And we had somebody on yesterday who said that he thinks he's a loyal. He's like Dirk Nowitzki, like, he's loyal to the franchise. But I wonder, can you see a scenario where Joker says, hey, I want out?
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I mean, the way the last several years have gone in league. The short answer is, of course, did a little reporting on this last night, not talking to Nicola. He would be a hard guy to get to, get a hold of on the phone. But people who, you know, who are around that team and sort of trade in the business of knowing these things suggest that Nikola is not looking to get out and that isn't reacting to the firing of the only coach he's played for as a kind of a how dare you thing. You know, I think that there was some frustration on his part, too, about the, the direction of the team. And so, yeah, I do view Nikola as a player who, who does or could anyway stay in, In Denver for his entire career. I mean, I think if, if they get into a situation where it's clear that they are going to regress and be in the lottery for a while. I mean, that's not something anybody wants to do. But, you know, he. Nicola is very set in his life and what matters to him. You know, he enjoys going back to Serbia in the summers. You know, not that Denver is a tiny market or whatever you want to say about it. Like, it's not. But we could also easily say Nicole is not like, lusting for New York or L A or Miami or anything like that. So I, you know, I've always said that LeBron will end his career in Los Angeles and I'm going to be in the boat of Nicole is not looking to push his way out of Denver in the near future.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Great stuff. Thank you, Joe. Great to talk to you again.
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Greg Rosenthal
Great to see you. Thanks, Dan.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's Joe Varden. He covers the NBA for the Athletic. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app what's up everyone?
- [34:04]
Greg Rosenthal
It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires inspires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's advice from Google CMO Lorraine on how to treat AI like a partner.
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Nick Cannon
I see AI as an incredible co pilot.
- [34:49]
Daniel Jeremiah
You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but ultimately, as editor, as creator, as maker, you own it and it needs to be good.
- [34:59]
Nick Cannon
AI is just the latest flavor of that.
- [35:01]
Daniel Jeremiah
You're still the judge of what good looks like.
- [35:02]
Greg Rosenthal
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working. Leaders like Indra Nooyi, Ray Dalio and Rich Paul share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [35:20]
Daniel Jeremiah
On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were 10 vile no.
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Greg Rosenthal
No no no no no no no no no.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Grotesque.
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Nick Cannon
Oh my God.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh my God.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this Too? A Horror Anthology Podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State.
- [36:26]
Greg Rosenthal
Warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
- [36:30]
Daniel Jeremiah
The Golden State warriors once are NBA champions.
- [36:35]
Greg Rosenthal
From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in.
- [36:41]
Daniel Jeremiah
The history of the sport. I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that.
- [36:47]
Nick Cannon
We were here to try to help.
- [36:48]
Daniel Jeremiah
Them take the next step, not tear anything down. Today the warriors dynasty remains alive in.
- [36:54]
Greg Rosenthal
Large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
- [36:58]
Daniel Jeremiah
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it. Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dove dynasty. The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published and he was unlike any first time author Canada had ever seen. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in.
- [37:38]
Greg Rosenthal
Jail, 12 years in solitary.
- [37:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
He went from an ex con to a literary darling almost overnight.
- [37:44]
Greg Rosenthal
He was instantly a celebrity, he was an adrenaline junkie and he was the star of the show.
- [37:52]
Daniel Jeremiah
Goboy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
- [37:58]
Greg Rosenthal
I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my rib.
- [38:02]
Nick Cannon
I had my guts all in my.
- [38:03]
Daniel Jeremiah
Hands only to find himself back where he started.
- [38:07]
Greg Rosenthal
Roger's saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one.
- [38:14]
Daniel Jeremiah
Rod from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Dwight Howard. He'll be inducted into the Basketball hall of Fame coming up in September. Former NBA champ, three time defensive player of the year, five time all NBA first team. Dwight, how are you doing, man?
- [38:43]
Nick Cannon
I am blessed, man. I'm so happy and thankful to be back on your show again. We haven't did a show in a while. I think the last time I did your show I was actually in Orlando. I was driving in my car. He was like, hey, you turned down music a little bit so we can hear you.
- [39:03]
Daniel Jeremiah
What was your reaction when you got the call for the hall of Fame?
- [39:06]
Nick Cannon
Man, I cried so hard. It's just like the first thing. As soon as he got as soon as I got the call, seeing the name, the Naismith Basketball hall of Fame, calling my phone, you know, seeing that and then hearing them actually say, you have made it in to 1 out of 456 people who have been in the hall of Fame for basketball. I just. Every memory of basketball that started my youngest memory, shooting on my first basketball goal, watching my Magic Johnson tapes, and then just the tears start flowing and man, it's just. It's an incredible journey with a lot of ups and downs. But to make it to basketball heaven is for me, it's like. It's everything.
- [39:56]
Daniel Jeremiah
What would you be like, what kind of player if you were coming into the NBA now, given the way the NBA is?
- [40:04]
Nick Cannon
Oh, man, what kind of player would I be? Well, I feel like my time in Orlando, I was very unstoppable with our offense and in the style that I played. I believe that if I was playing now, I would still be a dominant player, a top five center, I believe in the league if I was playing right now.
- [40:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, the game has changed so much with the perimeter. And I knew you grew up idolizing magic, but maybe you would have geared your game to be more perimeter based. I mean, we got seven footers playing on the perimeter.
- [40:41]
Nick Cannon
That's true. Actually. When I started playing basketball, I didn't play center. I didn't play center actually until I got to the NBA. So when I got to the NBA, that's when my position changed. And back then there were no stretch fours, there were no stretch or no stretch fives. It was only dirt and whiskey. And the next person close to him that was shooting that much was Tim Duncan and he was shooting more so off the glass shots and free throw line and air shots. And I remember the last conversation I had with Kobe before we joined team was what he wanted me to work on was those free throw line and then jump shots and stuff like that. But today's game, well, today's game and when I was coming up in the game, that shot was taken out. So now would be a perimeter bass player. And that'll be a lot of fun. I get to show people my other skills and the skills that I've had growing up and I go back to just being a kid again.
- [41:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
How tough was Kobe on you?
- [41:42]
Nick Cannon
I would say he was that tough on me. What like people would assume because I was a hard worker, you know, it wasn't. I wasn't somebody that he had to worry about getting in the gym, working hard in the games and stuff like that. I Just think we just. At the time, we was in two different places in life and we didn't see eye to eye. We didn't give each other a chance to even see how to. I. But you live and you learn.
- [42:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
If I gave you a mulligan on getting out of Orlando, would you have still left Orlando and gone to the Lakers?
- [42:20]
Nick Cannon
My intentions was not to go to the Lakers. After Orlando, I now know what I know now. Leaving Orlando taught me many lessons in life that I needed. And I feel like if I would have stayed in Orlando, maybe I wouldn't have learned those same lessons. And it's just how you look at it, you know, I hate the fact that I did have to leave Orlando. That was my first home. But I believe that everything happens. I was exactly supposed to happen. And I can't question fate. The only thing I'm glad about is that it led me to the hall of Fame.
- [43:05]
Daniel Jeremiah
Most physical player you ever played against was who?
- [43:09]
Nick Cannon
Most physical player. Pekovic from Minnesota was the strongest player that I could say I played against.
- [43:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
Really? Okay.
- [43:23]
Nick Cannon
The most out, more than anybody else.
- [43:27]
Daniel Jeremiah
What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
- [43:31]
Nick Cannon
Welcome to the NBA moment. Oh, Kobe Bryant. Dunkin on me.
- [43:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
Well, you're not alone in that category there, Dwight.
- [43:43]
Nick Cannon
Well, that was. It was a funny one because I remember actually Brian Grant, he actually, after that play, he said, welcome to the league. And I. I couldn't wait to dunk on him back or block his side or something. So when we played against him in Atlanta Hawks, I took it personally to try to destroy him.
- [44:01]
Daniel Jeremiah
Did Kobe say anything to you when he dunked on you?
- [44:05]
Nick Cannon
He just. He said in the interview that he baptized me and he woke me up. In actuality, he did. That dunk was so embarrassing. I was like, I gotta block everybody's dunk. I'm putting everybody to the ground and I'm gonna go give me a defensive player of the year. So it did wake me up. He baptized me.
- [44:24]
Daniel Jeremiah
He had 41 in that game.
- [44:26]
Nick Cannon
Jesus Christ. He must have had the 38. The 38. The 39th point on me. Jesus Christ.
- [44:37]
Daniel Jeremiah
Who was the best player you faced?
- [44:39]
Nick Cannon
The best player that I face. Oh, we. That's clear. That I face. Oh, my goodness. Skill wise or do you mean like overall?
- [44:53]
Daniel Jeremiah
Overall, just best player. Like that guy is. He's different.
- [45:03]
Nick Cannon
Well, obviously Kobe. Kobe did a shot in the finals, and I'll never forget the shot. He was driving to the basket and he went up and I put my hands up to try to block the shot and he put the Ball between my arms, and then brought it back, came back up, and then shot the shot. It was incredible. After that moment, I was like this coldest player that I've ever played.
- [45:33]
Daniel Jeremiah
You think you and Shaq will ever be friends?
- [45:37]
Nick Cannon
Yes, we actually. I saw him in Orlando, actually, after I was inducted into the hall of Fame. I was out at a restaurant eating with my family and my friends, and the owner said that Shaq was actually at the restaurant. And I said, I'm gonna go talk to him. And everybody's like, what? I said, yes, I'm gonna go talk to him. I got up, went over to where he was at, shook his hand. After we have a minute alone, and we had a real good conversation, and I was very happy about it. We expressed some things. And, yeah, the next time you see both of us together, we'll talk about the stuff that we had a sit down about. But it was a really good talk, and I'm glad that the. The universe. Everything worked out perfectly for us to be in Orlando at the same place at the same time, to have a conversation.
- [46:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
But when did it go south or sideways between you two?
- [46:42]
Nick Cannon
I have no clue. I really believe that it was outside noise and people. He say, she says stuff like that. And then now it made both of us irritated. So when I hear something on TV that he says, I'm pissed off about it. And I responded to him and vice versa. And to be honest, I'm just like, man, we too old for this. You know, we have children. We have people who look up to us, and, you know, we both mean a lot to a lot of people in this world. We've both done some amazing things, and, you know, we don't need this. I don't. I don't like it. I grew up watching Shaq. I respect him as a player and a man and the businessman that he is. When his father passed away years back, it's one of the first people to reach out, because I knew how much that, you know, losing his father, you know, was hurting him. And I really, as a. As a young man, you know, looking up to somebody like, you know, Shag is like my big brother. So we just had a misunderstanding.
- [47:47]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I. I thought it was. You were both in Orlando, both had Superman nickname. You end up following in his footsteps to the Lakers. So it. It's. Maybe he was thinking you were following in his footsteps, trying to be like Shaq, and for some reason, he had a problem with that. That's all I. How I viewed it.
- [48:07]
Nick Cannon
Yeah. Well, I. I wouldn't so my thing is this also. If someone is trying to follow in my footsteps, that means to me that first, that's an honor. That's humbling. And that means that I've done such a great job with my life and my career that somebody wants to follow in those footsteps. So I don't see anything wrong with that. No, now I did not do that. It just everything seemed to pan out like it was a mirror image of sex life and career. We're both tall, we're both funny, we're both comedians, like to have fun, dance, we both dunk the ball a lot. We're both dominant centers. I understand that. We both say we're Superman, so I get it. And if I am following his footsteps, I shoot. I, I would love that. You know, Shaq has paved the way for so many big men. He's done an amazing job. So, you know, that's amazing to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest, most dominant big man to ever play.
- [49:05]
Daniel Jeremiah
Who's going to present you at the hall of Fame?
- [49:09]
Nick Cannon
Well, I would love Kevin Garnett, Akeem Elijah1 and Shaquille O'Neal to walk me in. If it's not Shaquille, if he can't do it. Mark Jackson.
- [49:24]
Daniel Jeremiah
Wait, have you reached out to these guys? Are you reaching out to them now?
- [49:28]
Nick Cannon
Yes, yes. I have to reach back out to Mark Jackson. Mark Jackson. Story about him. I met him in high school at the top 100 camp and I asked him could he meet me every morning at around 6:30 to work out before camp started. And he thought I was playing around and I wasn't going to show up. I told him I was serious about being the number one pick in the best player in the nations. I was there every morning. He was there every morning to help me get better. And I remember that, you know, that really that helped shape the mold. Mold before the NBA. So, you know, I would love for him to, you know, walk me in, but I don't. That said, I think it's players who have made it into the hall of Fame. Okay. Yeah.
- [50:13]
Daniel Jeremiah
I mean it sounds like you got a posse there. Not, not just one person, Dwight. So Shaq, Kevin Garnett. Yeah. Well, you got to pick one. I don't know. Can three?
- [50:28]
Nick Cannon
I. I think you can have two.
- [50:30]
Daniel Jeremiah
Okay.
- [50:31]
Nick Cannon
My favorite player all time is Wilt Chamber. So if he could do it, I would love Whip Chamber to be there as my favorite player. So.
- [50:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, well, that's not going to happen. So I think it would be awesome. I Mean, if Will Chamberlain walks you in, hey, that'll be a pretty great moment. He's been dead for a long time, Dwight. I think Shaq, Shaq walking you in would be awesome. That would be pretty special to see you two walk in together, hopefully. Yeah, it would.
- [51:07]
Nick Cannon
It would be very special. Not only because of all the noise that over all the years, people would love that. But one thing we both said is people would love to see us fight. And we're not fighting. We don't need to fight. But the moment that people would really love to see is I think that moment right there. It just shows that we have mature in a lot of different ways. We're able to squash whatever beef people to say we're having. And, you know, he's inducted me into that level that, that space that he's always pushed me at every single time he's been on, you know, the shows at TNT and stuff like that. So just to see him do that, I think it'd be really awesome.
- [51:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
And this, I'm gonna script this for you. You and Shaq walk in and then you open up your jackets and you got Superman T shirts on.
- [52:01]
Nick Cannon
Ah, that would be hilarious.
- [52:07]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right, we just gotta get Shaq on board, you know, that's it. We. We get. We got a little bit of time. You got a couple of months, I think.
- [52:13]
Nick Cannon
I think we got some time. I'm gonna start working on sending us some more messages, see if it works.
- [52:20]
Daniel Jeremiah
Well, more importantly, congratulations on all this and thanks for joining us.
- [52:26]
Nick Cannon
Thanks for having me, man. I don't know if, you know, I'll be joining the Big three this year. Play some big three basketball with Ice Cube and if you have any players that's interested in playing. And I have my own professional league in Asia. It's called the Asia Tournament. We're having a draft April 11th and April 12th of this month coming up. We have 12 teams in our league. We want to expand it and give more guys in America and the States opportunities to play international ball. You did an awesome job for me, my career and it could do amazing job for other guys. I would love to give them that opportunity.
- [53:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
Can Cube play anymore? I mean, he messed around and got a triple double, Dwight, which I don't know if he really did. Oh, Dwight. He kept his own stats in a pickup game.
- [53:22]
Nick Cannon
You are hilarious. That was so good.
- [53:29]
Daniel Jeremiah
Can Cube still play? Can Cube play?
- [53:33]
Nick Cannon
He can still play. That's why he added the four point.
- [53:36]
Daniel Jeremiah
Four point shot.
- [53:40]
Nick Cannon
Oh, man.
- [53:42]
Daniel Jeremiah
Good luck with all of this and thank you so much Congrats and thanks for joining us.
- [53:47]
Nick Cannon
Thanks for having me, man. Have an awesome day.
- [53:49]
Daniel Jeremiah
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you, with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.
- [55:08]
Daniel Jeremiah
Develop your EQ A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is Do you trust me?
- [55:12]
Nick Cannon
Do I communicate well?
- [55:14]
Greg Rosenthal
Develop the team, develop the people.
- [55:16]
Daniel Jeremiah
Create a system of trust. And it works over time.
- [55:18]
Greg Rosenthal
I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this is Working Leaders Share Strategies for Success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [55:30]
Daniel Jeremiah
The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations, but if we're honest, most people run from them, staying silent, missing chances, and holding themselves back. I know this is true because I used to be like that until I realized that negotiation isn't a talent. It's a skill that anyone can learn. And once I did, everything changed. I went from people pleaser to confident communicator, and now I teach Fortune 500 leaders and top executives how to do the same. Listen to negotiate anything on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [56:05]
Greg Rosenthal
I was always around it.
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Nick Cannon
Hollywood saved me. On this week's episode of Eating While.
- [56:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
Broke, a podcast presented by the Black Effect Podcast Network, Nick Cannon joins us to discuss his journey from teenage comedian to entertainment mogul.
- [56:17]
Greg Rosenthal
Now I do the super dad content with my kids and everything that people go viral for. And making millions of dollars on YouTube.
- [56:24]
Nick Cannon
I was doing in the 90s. Listen to Eating While Broke from the.
- [56:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
Black Effect Podcast Network on America's number one podcast network.
- [56:30]
Nick Cannon
I heart follow Eating While Broke and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.