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Jordan Schultz (3:24)

Yeah, it's out of control. It's not just given permission, Ross, it's to seek a trade. It's given permission to explore a trade. Or are there other teams interested in what it's become is the new in vogue thing to do. And what you'll notice is a lot of the players that would otherwise be released are now being given permission to seek a trade or talk to other teams. And it's funny because just getting back from Indy last week, that was one of the topics that continue to come up with clubs. Not something that they like. Very annoyed that they can't just flat out release a guy when they know very honestly and openly that the best they're going to get for someone might be a seventh round pick. They would rather just flat out release the dude, give him the opportunity to, to go sign elsewhere and then be done with it. But given the circumstances of the cap, the fact that free agency is upon us, guys want as many options as possible and as a result of it, you're seeing this permission to seek to trade and it's really become out of control. I couldn't agree more.

Greg Rosenthal (4:23)

All right, so Stafford ended up going back to the Rams and it never really seemed like he was going to leave. I never really thought he was going to leave. I know maybe you'll tell me and other people will say it was close to happening, but I, I just didn't for a lot of reasons. I didn't think it made sense for The Rams. I think it made sense for Stafford. What about some of these more well known guys like DK Metcalf, Trey Hendrickson? It sounds like people think those guys are, are much more likely to be on new teams.

Jordan Schultz (4:56)

Okay, so in terms of Metcalf, there are, I would say I would put him being traded a higher percentage than Trey Hendrickson and I'll start. And the reason is because I think both Seattle and Metcalf know that this has been brewing for quite some time. It actually goes back to last year. And it's not that Metcalf isn't happy, but I think both sides are looking for a fresh start. And you know DK is going to fetch a significant price. I don't know if it's going to be a one. I don't know if it's going to be a two and a four. I don't believe it's going to be a one and a three. But the problem is for both him and Hendrickson is that because these guys are premium players, the team trading for them not only has to give up the asset or assets, draft capital to get the player, they then have to pay the player. And both of these guys are seeking significant contract extensions. In Metcalf case just turned 28, Hendrickson is 30, obviously an all pro. I think Metcalf gets traded first. I'm not sure if Hendrickson gets traded. I talked about the Chargers being in on dk. I've heard the Raiders, packers, among many other clubs and Hendrickson's case Ross, I would say that you have to get owner Mike Brown on board. These organizations are run significantly differently. In Seattle you have John Schneider, who really has full autonomy from the older Jody Allen. In Cincinnati, you have Mike Brown, who he in essence is running the show. Duke Tobin's the gm, but he has nowhere near the type of autonomy that Schneider has in Seattle. So if you're asking me about both of those guys, I'd say there's a better chance of seeing DK get traded. And I would imagine even if both of them ultimately get down, that Metcalf happens first.

Greg Rosenthal (6:40)

Talking with NFL Insider, Jordan Schultz does a terrific job for Fox Sports. The Hendrix Singh thing is very interesting. Yeah, Jordan. Cause it felt like after the Max Crosby contract came out, I kind of felt like the Bengals were throwing in the towel. I do not envision them giving him that type of contract. So when you say you think there's a better chance DK gets traded, do you think that the Bengals might try to play hardball with Hendrickson? And make him play out this last year?

Jordan Schultz (7:11)

Yeah, they have been. In fact, if you actually trace Hendrickson back to last year, he was. He already requested a trade. It went nowhere. And so they have been meeting and delegating over the past few weeks. And he. He was in Cincinnati yesterday. He went to the facility, met with the entire organization, met with the Bengals brass and basically talked through it because he got an offer that was significantly below market value two weeks ago. And I think what happened was Cincinnati really had to talk Hendrickson off a ledge, hoping that he wouldn't request a trade. And then they met yesterday, seeing if they could find common ground. They ultimately did it. You know, he's been a staple within that organization. You know, he's the first team all pro. But they also have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins to deal with, and they still want to extend Micaseki to tight end. And obviously Burrow wants all these guys back, but you can't pay everyone. And if you're the Bengals, this is not an organization plus with. With Casper. So Hendrickson, I believe, would sign somewhere in the mid. Somewhere in the middle of three years, 85 to 90. I know he would love 100. It's not realistic, Cincinnati. All I'll say without giving you specific numbers, is nowhere near that number. In fact, I'll give you this. I don't believe Cincinnati has come over the $70 million threshold. So that tells you how far away they are. And as a result, you have to make a decision if you're the Bengals, Ross, do you trade Trey Hendrickson or do you simply try to find a number and go up where? Really, you don't want to do that knowing again that you have the receivers to deal with.

Greg Rosenthal (8:45)

Right. As I said earlier in the show, Jordan, I have no sympathy. They have nobody to blame but themselves. They worked on any of these deals over the last couple years and gotten ahead of this thing. Gotten them done. It's interesting, though, that you mentioned Hendrickson meeting with the entire Bengals organization because there was news out this morning that Miles Garrett requested a meeting with Brown's owner, Jimmy Haslam, and he declined to meet with Garrett. What, if anything, do you know about that or even just the Miles Garrett situation? Jordan?

Jordan Schultz (9:20)

Well, you talked about the Bengals putting themselves in a bad position. They should have taken care of Jamar Chase when they had the chance. They should have addressed Trey Henderson last year. The Browns are in a similar boat with owner. Jimmy has them. And all due respect to him, I don't know how you look at Miles Garrett and You treat him this way. This is without question the face of the franchise, and he has been for the better part of the last decade. He's arguably the best defensive player in football, year in and year out. And for you to refuse to meet with the guy is insane. It really is. I have no understanding of it. I have no sympathy for the Browns because like the Bengals, they have put themselves in this position. If you're Myles Garrett, you obviously have made a lot of money and you want to win. And he has made it abundantly clear to us, Ross, that he does not believe that can happen with the Browns. So if you're the Browns, if you fast forward the situation, what are you going to accomplish by not meeting with the guy? We're going into free agency next week. We're in March. It's going to get worse and worse and worse if you don't handle this now. And it's a. It's a problem that's been festering for quite some time. So I don't get it at all. And if Miles Garrett wants a meeting, you take the meeting.

Greg Rosenthal (10:30)

Yeah. Speaking of things I don't get, can you explain to me why the NFL still has this quote, unquote, I guess they call it now the negotiating period? For a while there, we were calling it the legal tampering period. It starts Monday, but then the official league year doesn't start till Wednesday at 4pm do you. Do you understand the logic or reasoning there, Jordan?

Jordan Schultz (10:56)

Not particularly, Ross, but I was not ever the greatest student. You know, I always. I always give you problems. You know, you're the Ivy League guy. I went to the fake Ivy League school, Occidental. I was not the best student. I don't understand it. But I'll tell you this. A lot of the deals that you're going to see come together on Wednesday and Thursday have already been set by the time we're there. In other words, Monday and Tuesday and really this week, over the weekend. And going back to the combine is when a lot of the deals get set in place. And then basically what happens is a lot of players will try and shop around. They'll try to make sure this is the best team, the best number they can get. But essentially those deals in many ways are done by Wednesday. So, no, I don't understand it, but I'm not the right guy to add. I'm not the right guy to ask that.

Greg Rosenthal (11:40)

Well, so. And I've also seen, you know, reports out there, Jordan, and you might have had a similar article about guys that are going to make more money than people expect. And you'll be surprised. That just tells me that they already know how much they're going to be getting. How many of these deals are more or less already done? How many deals do you think there's a pretty good idea. People know who's going where for what money, but they're just, they can't obviously say anything about it yet right now or come Wednesday right now and then over the weekend, Monday.

Jordan Schultz (12:17)

I'd say probably a quarter of the deals somewhere over the weekend and by Monday I'd say a third to half of the deals. Now obviously there's a second and third waves of free agency, the one year deals that are much smaller. But in terms of the, you know, big contracts, the multi year extensions, all of that will, will, will be set in stone or many months of that will be set in stone by Monday and Tuesday. Because what happens is a lot of the players and agents by this time have already met with everybody in Indianapolis. The agents have. So they have a really good understanding of the market, not only with the teams but the type of money. And then you have a lot of players that are entering that first contract, right. So they're 25 or 26 or second contract, I should say they want that three year deal so that they can hit it again by the time they're 28 or 29. And so what you're going to see is a lot of those three year deals, the teams want the four year deal so they can get the control. And I just, we talked about Trey Henderson. He wants the three year deal, right? That's, that's what's in vogue for many players and agents. So to answer your question, again, I would say right now you probably have a quarter of them. Fast forward to the weekend. Monday, probably over a third.

Greg Rosenthal (13:30)

What about Sam Darnold? What are you hearing, thinking in terms.

Jordan Schultz (13:34)

Of he's going to do well?

Greg Rosenthal (13:36)

Okay.

Jordan Schultz (13:37)

Yeah, I think he's going to do well. I think he's going to. We just said were they would some guys surprise some people? I think Darnold's going to surprise some people. Because Ross, if you're Sam Darnold, you have to make the decision of do I go back to Minnesota and stay with Kevin O'Connell who's resurrected my career or do I look elsewhere and maybe fetch a little bit more money knowing that it might not be as good a situation. Let's say, for example, the Raiders, right? The Raiders need the quarterback. They do not have a very good roster, but they do have a new head coach and you have the USC connection. I know Pete Carroll likes Sam Darnold. Does that mean he's going to sign there? Of course not. But I think he's going to make a significant amount of money. And I don't know if that's in the mid to high 30s or low 40s, but he will do very well. And surprise some people there are. You have the cap that's gone up again, that will help him. And then you have the fact that A, this is not a particularly strong quarterback market and B, this is not a great quarterback class coming out. So that will help Sam Darnold.

Greg Rosenthal (14:37)

Most likely teams there, two or three teams that maybe jump out to this.

Jordan Schultz (14:40)

For Sam, I would say with Darnold, I mean, the Vikings will love him back. They're not going to be able to pay him maybe exactly what he wanted.

Greg Rosenthal (14:48)

Right.

Jordan Schultz (14:49)

I know he loves it there. I know his. I know his wife loves it there. And they've had a great experience. Look at the Raiders.

Greg Rosenthal (14:55)

Yep.

Jordan Schultz (14:56)

I would say those two, to me, make the most sense. And then you have to wonder if a team like Pittsburgh gets frisky. You know, Pittsburgh could easily bring back Justin fields on a one year, $10 million deal. Or do they decide, you know what, we want to go a little bit more and pursue someone like a Sam Darnold or maybe an Aaron Rodgers? I'm not reporting that. I'm just saying the Steelers clearly believe they're a quarterback away. How do I know that? They were very much in on Matthew Stafford. And you don't go after a guy like Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold for that matter, Ross, unless you believe your roster is good enough to win right now.

Greg Rosenthal (15:32)

We still don't know, by the way, what Stafford's new contract is, do we? That still hasn't been reported. I'm dying to know how much less he took to stay in la, because I know people would have given him a lot of money elsewhere.

Jordan Schultz (15:44)

Yeah. So we don't know the exact numbers. What we do know, and I reported this, was he took a lot less to stay. You know, there was. There were talks that he would have commanded 100, 100 over two. He's made. He'll have made by this, by the time this contract's out or by the time this contract is over, he'll have made well over 300 or around $300 million in his career. So clearly it wasn't just about the money. And I had thought for about a day and a half that there was a real chance that the Raiders were going to land him. They desperately wanted him. Tom Brady loved him. But what it came down to was Stafford met with Sean McVay for quite some time, 6:37 in the morning, and they were able to find that common ground. And you kind of knew once they met and were face to face, those two, that it was going to happen. So, yes, he took less, but he knows that they were a play away from beating the Eagles and going on in the playoffs. That roster is really good. It's a terrific young defense. And I think Stafford ultimately decided that his best bet was staying in LA with arguably the best offensive coach in football.

Greg Rosenthal (16:53)

Check him out on social media. He's at Schultz Underscore report on Twitter. That's where I follow him and certainly check out his show. Why is Draymond Green talking about football with Jordan Schultz? I would like to have seen Draymond play tight end or dn. Actually, I'd like to have seen. Can I.

Jordan Schultz (17:10)

Can I give you a funny story about that?

Greg Rosenthal (17:11)

He did. Right. For a game or something.

Jordan Schultz (17:13)

Or something he did for a game.

Greg Cosell (17:14)

He.

Jordan Schultz (17:14)

He did a spring game at Michigan State his freshman year. And I said to him, you know, you could have easily been a tight end. I'm thinking maybe an edge rusher. You got good bend, good dip. And he said to me, you know what? The second someone punched me with the two hands, I was out. And Ross, I think as an offensive lineman, you can respect that.

Greg Rosenthal (17:34)

Oh, I love it. Hey, I would love to have played football against Draymond Green and try to light him up. That's what makes it fun. Jordan, thanks so much for the time, man. Appreciate it.

Jordan Schultz (17:43)

Thanks, guys. Take care.

Greg Rosenthal (17:44)

Outstanding, outstanding job by Jordan Schultz there in the final hour, we've got John Rothstein, who's as good as there is when it comes to college hoops. Going to kind of be a primer for us to get us all ready for college basketball here in March. We'll have who I call the civilian goat, greatest of all time, Greg Cosell from NFL Films next hour as well. But when we come back, best. What is this? Paulie? Best week in sports.

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Best week in sports.

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Ross, who had the best week in sports?

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Who?

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What team concept?

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Concept.

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Let's get to John Rothstein. He's a CBS Sports college basketball insider. By the way, when I first got in the media, 2007, okay. I was still on injured reserve with the Washington football team. They had a different name back then. I did a TV show with John Rothstein. At times I don't even remember the name of the show. John, do you remember the. Remember this name of the show? Seth was the producer. It was like we would go around the horn kind of. You were in New York. I was in different. Do you remember that show?

Dan Patrick (24:48)

I think it was out of line on CNA or out of bounds.

Greg Rosenthal (24:53)

Out of bounds.

Dan Patrick (24:55)

Yes, I remember it vividly. Ross, great to be with you this morning.

Greg Rosenthal (24:59)

Yeah, man, you are killing it. I. It's been fun to follow your career. It's funny, you probably hear this a lot, John. I know you're fully invested in it. I don't follow college hoops hardly at all until right now. And now this weekend and this week, I will root for like my, my, my wife and sister in law went to Bucknell, right? I went, I went to Princeton. I will root for them like you wouldn't believe. I think it's the coolest part of maybe any sport is rooting for your alma mater or for smaller Schools to have their chance at the dance.

Dan Patrick (25:38)

Well, and that's the thing Ross, that's become so interesting because of the changing landscape in college basketball. There's less player retention, especially at the mid major level. So we are going to enter all of these conference tournaments here over the next week and we are going to see see different teams seeded a certain way entering these conference tournaments. Seeds have never been more meaningless in these obvious conference tournaments than they are right now because of the lack of player retention. And another thing you have to remember Last year only 12 teams out of the 32 conferences that won their respective regular seasons went on to win automatic qualifiers to the NCAA tournament by winning their conference tournament. Russ Tucker, this is March, wow, 1/3.

Greg Rosenthal (26:27)

Actually won their conference tournament. So I, so this is self serving. Okay, But I gotta ask you about Princeton quick. All right. My understanding is that they have like the two best players in the Ivy League. They have Alec Pierce, the Colts receiver, his younger brother Kaden, and they have the point guard from Toronto that put his name into the NBA draft last year. I think his name, Xavian Lee. I just looked, John, we're in fourth place in the Ivy League. We're like seven and six. We. I've been working, I've been practicing every day for this. Why are we not good?

Dan Patrick (27:03)

Well, Princeton in a lot of ways is kind of the polar opposite of what Princeton went through last year. Last year Princeton was a heavy favorite going to the Ivy League tournament and was upset in that tournament as the team that everybody thought was going to be one of the best mid majors of the in the country. And now you look at what's happened to Princeton. Yes, there's Xavian Lee, less there's Kaden Pierce. But look at some of the ancillary players. Zach Martini, no longer on Princeton from a year ago, he's on Rutgers. Because we have to remember right now that these players still have the ability to move and go to other places. Matalako, another player who was on that Princeton team from a year ago that was upset in the Ivy League tournament went and played for Notre Dame. So maybe we'll see if Princeton can reverse course. But here's one thing I want to point out and I know that people, especially at the mid major level want to celebrate regular season titles. Nobody remembers in college basketball what people do during the regular season. You are judged by what you do in the NCAA tournament. And this is why what we're going to embark on right now over the next three and a half, four weeks is the greatest postseason that we have in sports. We spend days, we spend weeks, we spent months talking about the bubble from February 1st until now. We have to remember, Ross, that last year there were five different teams that stole bids during their respective conference tournaments. Now, what is a bid stealer? A bid stealer is a team that was not projected to make the NCAA tournament who then wins its conference tournament and then earns a bid to March Madness. Last year we had Duquesne out of the Atlantic 10. We obviously had UAB out of the AAC, NC State out of the ACC. Won the ACC tournament five games in five days and then went on to go to the Final Four under Kevin Keats. New Mexico stole a bid out of the Mountain west and then Oregon did the same out of the pack 12. That was five teams that were not projected to be into the NCAA tournament who then found a way to get to March Madness.

Greg Rosenthal (29:11)

It is awesome talking with John Rothste. As you can tell, he is the best college basketball insider. He does it for CBS Sports company I work for as well. You know, you kind of hit on this, John, but I want to expound upon a little bit what. I know it's all the above, but what aspect of it do you think makes it so popular? Is it the fact that it's brackets? Like people just, I don't know what is about humans. We love, like my, like beer pong tournament bracket, like whatever it is, like I love brackets. Okay. And also the bet, I mean people bet a lot on March Madness. And then it's the. And then it's the underdog. It's the whole thing. If you kind of had to rank the reasons for March Madness popularity, where would you stack them up?

Dan Patrick (29:58)

It's a one game tournament. It is not obviously a best of seven series. So the fact that we have this game that obviously is decided by a 68 team bracket with 67 games. If you have one bad half, if you have one bad game, every single thing can change. And then there is still the opportunity for, with everything that's going on in college sports to have the most unexpected and unpredictable results. And you know, I remember two years ago, you know, I've been fortunate enough to work the first four for us in Dayton. I had the pleasure of, you know, covering Fairleigh Dickinson two years ago in 2023, fairly. Dickinson two years ago was not good enough to win the Northeast Conference tournament. Merrimack won the Northeast Conference tournament, but because of transitional rule to Division 1, Merrimack was not eligible for the NCAA tournament. So Fairleigh Dickinson lost in the finals of its conference tournament, but it got the automatic qualifier because Merrimack was ineligible. Fairleigh Dickinson then goes on to the first four, beats Texas Southern in the first four, and then gets a matchup with Duke, who had the national player of the year in Zach Edie and won the Big Ten regular season and tournament titles. And still Fairleigh Dickinson was able then to pull off the biggest upset in the history of the NCAA tournament by beating Purdue. This is the stuff that is in store. And again, if you're not in a situation where you're following College Basketball from November 1st until now, you're pretty much admitting that you hate fun.

Greg Rosenthal (31:36)

All right, so I want to ask you about St. John's because they've won the Big east for the first time in 40 years. I know you talked about him a lot, I'm sure.

Dan Patrick (31:44)

Yeah.

Greg Rosenthal (31:44)

So is this, obviously Patino's their coach? Is this a great coaching job, or is this John, have we got to the point where some St. John's alums made a decision and they bought a really good team? I don't follow it. Right. So you explain to me how St. John's seemingly came out of nowhere to get this good.

Dan Patrick (32:04)

St. John's has been a barren program for 25 years. St. John's has not won an NCAA tournament game since 2000. How long ago is that? Jay Wright was the head coach at Hofstra. But with all that said, St. John's this year was able to be in a situation because it hired a Hall of Fame coach, a can't miss coach, and Rick Patino, and it put together a roster now that is, you know, 26 and 4 heading into tomorrow's game against Marquette that's the best in the Big East. It's the first regular season title outright for St. John's in the Big east that's been won by the Red storm since the 8485 season, which was the year that St. John's went to the Final Four with Luke on a second Chris Mullen. Look, one of the things that we've seen right now in this new landscape of college sports is the playing field is very level. So a program like St. John's that has the infrastructure in place to put together a strong roster can now compete with the Dukes. The Kansas is in the Kentuckies. And then, conversely, some of the blue blood programs now might be falling back to the pack a little bit. Kansas will enter its Big 12 finale in the regular season tomorrow against Arizona. And in the last two years, Kansas is only a combined 20 and 17 in Big 12 regular season games. Remember, this was a program that from 2013 to 2018 under Bill Self won at least a share. Excuse me, from 23 or so to 2018 under both, self won at least a share of almost every Big 12 regular season title. Remember, Ross, it's not anarchy, it's just college basketball.

Greg Rosenthal (33:38)

I love his closing line of every. Of every answer. All right, tell me about Cooper Flag. Like, for people that haven't watched him a lot, he's. I think a lot of people would probably say he's the name in college basketball that they recognize that they know, but a lot of people still haven't really watched him that much. Is there any weakness to his game? Is there an NBA guy that you compare him to that people can kind of get that visual in their head?

Dan Patrick (34:07)

You know, Cooper Flag's like a cheat code. He's like playing Madden when you're a kid and putting it on the easiest possible level because that's how effortless he makes the game look. He's been every bit as good as advertised. I think there's a little bit of Andre Kurilenko in his game, but he's got so much polish on the offensive side of the floor. But Duke, without question, has the best roster in the sport. I think one of the things that we've all been disappointed about and it's not Duke's fault, is this is the worst ACC that we have seen in our lifetime. Unless there is a bid stealer at the ACC tournament, this league is likely to get only three of its 18 teams. Tournament. That is just 1/6 of the conference. The ACC since 2017 has lost the following coaches. Rick Pitino, Mike Krzyevsky, Roy Williams, Tony Bennett, Jim Laraniga, Buzz Williams, Mike Bray and Leonard Hamilton will leave after this year. So it has been a major, major transition for a conference that was the sport's most fabled for a very long time.

Greg Rosenthal (35:08)

Wow, that is absolutely wild. You got to check John out. He does a terrific job throughout the tournament. If you want to know what's going on with college basketball, follow John Rothstein on every platform. Does a terrific job as the college basketball insider for CBS Sports. That was perfect. Thank you so much, John.

Dan Patrick (35:26)

Thanks, Ross. We sleep in.

Jordan Schultz (35:27)

May be sure to catch the live.

Greg Rosenthal (35:29)

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Dan Patrick (35:32)

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Greg Rosenthal (35:35)

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Steph Curry (35:38)

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

Greg Rosenthal (35:51)

Peja 5, Dirk Ford.

Steph Curry (35:53)

Peja is elite.

Jordan Schultz (35:54)

I'm mad him.

Steph Curry (35:55)

I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

Greg Rosenthal (36:02)

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

Steph Curry (36:04)

Yes, absolutely.

Greg Rosenthal (36:05)

Love it.

Steph Curry (36:06)

Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

Greg Rosenthal (36:10)

When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.

Steph Curry (36:25)

Listen to Goat G O T e Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Julius Randle (36:34)

It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.

Greg Rosenthal (36:43)

I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.

Julius Randle (36:51)

Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the energy line.

Greg Rosenthal (37:03)

We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.

Julius Randle (37:12)

Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

Greg Rosenthal (37:24)

I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll.

Julius Randle (37:26)

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Steph Curry (37:34)

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Greg Rosenthal (38:03)

Got it.

Steph Curry (38:03)

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Greg Cosell (39:20)

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and my latest.

Steph Curry (39:23)

Interview is with Kai Dickens. It was remarkable to be in that room and see someone reading someone else's.

Greg Rosenthal (39:29)

Mind over and over and over again. When you see it, you can't unsee it.

Steph Curry (39:32)

Have you listened to telepathy tapes? Non speaking children on the autism spectrum are able to read the minds of people. It is mind blowing. Kai is the host of a new podcast series called the Telepathy Tapes. Please welcome Kai Dickens.

Greg Cosell (39:49)

How would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

Greg Rosenthal (39:52)

Telepathy has historically is reading someone's mind. You know exactly what they're thinking. Parents are saying right away. This isn't just sheer telepathy. We think we might be sharing a consciousness.

Greg Cosell (40:01)

These abilities that those of us that are mere mortals can develop.

Greg Rosenthal (40:05)

I think that everyone has these in us to a certain degree.

Steph Curry (40:09)

The amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child was wild.

Greg Cosell (40:14)

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

Greg Rosenthal (40:21)

I absolutely love talking with this guy. Every week on the Ross Tucker football podcast. I call him the Civilian Goat because I think he is the best film watcher and film breakdowner, if that's a word, of anybody that did not play or coach in the NFL. He's been doing what he's doing a lot longer than a lot of people have been doing what they've been doing 45 plus years. He is the great. Greg Cosell joins me typically Thursdays on the Ross Tucker podcast. But we gotta talk quarterbacks because there's a bunch of teams that need them. Greg, always great to talk with you. We're doing it twice this week, not just once. Appreciate the time. I guess let's start with the college guys because there's going to be at least one, maybe more NFL teams that find their starting quarterback via the draft. And so is there a guy that was a clear number one when you broke down Shador Sanders and Ward and all these guys who kind of jumped out to you?

Greg Cosell (41:27)

Yeah. And I think just before I give you that person and people who maybe listen to us and to listen to me know that I believe it's Cam Ward. But I think the important point to remember is quarterbacks have different traits and different attributes and different characteristics. That doesn't mean that they can't play in the league. It just means that the, the variables that come into play. The different variables that come into play, Ross. And you know, this having played in the league now you start getting into things like team scheme, players around them, coaching. You know, there's so many factors involved that just because a quarterback might not be high on my list or might not be number one, doesn't mean he can't play in the league. It's just you have to understand what their traits and attributes are and what that means when you project them. So I thought, when I watched Cam Ward, I thought that he was the most physically gifted of the quarterbacks in this draft, that he had high level traits in order to ideally become a good player in the league. He's got a live arm, he's got a playmaking dimension to his game. Obviously he's got some things he has to clean up. I actually watched him speak at the podium at the combine and he said quite clearly, which is true, that there were times he held the ball too long and that some sacks are on him and that's something he has to clean up. And I think that's another thing that people have to realize is that none of these quarterbacks enter the league as a finished product. And there's things that have to Be coached and developed and that takes time and those things can show up in the NFL and it doesn't mean that they're going to be bad players. So there's so many factors involved. But I thought clearly him wore to me was, was a defined number one quarterback prospect in this draft class.

Greg Rosenthal (43:14)

And so. Okay, and we know he's going to get drafted where he's going to get drafted. But when you look at him, Greg, did you think like number one pick type quarterback?

Greg Cosell (43:23)

I started to feel that way the more I watched him, yes. And again, it may or may not happen. You know, when you hear the Tennessee Titans brass talk, you kind of get the sense they hold a number one pick, that they'd like to get more players because their roster is kind of depleted. So I don't know again, you never know if teams want, want to trade up. We, we won't know that, you know, probably for a while. But I started to feel the more I watched Ward and I just want people to understand that. I watched him last summer, seven, eight games at Washington State. I think I watched nine games this year at the University of Miami. And the more I watched him, you know, as I said, there are definitely things that need to be cleaned up. There's no question there's a little bit of a looseness and lack of discipline at times to his game that must be coached hard. But he can work the pocket, he can make progression throws, he can make outstanding outside of structure throws which were prevalent throughout his tape. So I came to believe that, yes, he could be that kind of prospect.

Greg Rosenthal (44:24)

All right. Some of these other guys, Greg, you know, Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart, just watching the video, which is what you do, was there. Who would you say was the next most impressive guy on video?

Greg Cosell (44:39)

I mean, if you're just going by tape. And again, I'm not going to sit here and say this is where guys are going to get drafted. But I would say just watching tape, I came away really impressed with Tyler Schuck out of. He played for three teams in his college career, but he ended up this year at Louisville. It was the first year that he truly played as a full time starter and played pretty much all the games. I mean, he was in, he came out of Arizona. It seems like he came out 20 years ago as one of the top rated quarterbacks in the country. But again, he's a very intriguing player because of his age, which by the way, most GMs don't view that as a problem. It's more the injury history. But you know, I thought that he did a lot of the little things really well. Ball security, always kept both hands on the ball when forced to move out of the pocket, whether climbing or escaping laterally. He has a very easy delivery. He worked from a firm base. He could sit on his back foot with bodies around him and drive the football, yet he could throw with pace and touch. He could layer throws. He had enough movement that he's not a playmaker, but he had enough movement where he's not a statue. I thought his, his traits were strong and I thought his tape was really, really good. Now again, I don't know where he's going to get drafted. I'm sure he's going to be polarizing in draft rooms. I'm sure there's some people listening right now that probably think, oh, he's, you know, he's a third round player and he's not going to make it. You know, we don't know the answer to these questions, but the tape was very good. And you know what, he's 65 and he's 225. And as you know, Ross having played in this league, that's a trait. There's a big difference between being 6:1 and 6:5 when you're a quarterback.

Greg Rosenthal (46:23)

Talking with the great Greg Cosell from NFL Films here, you can check him out on social media at Greg Co sells. I think a lot of people listening, Greg, on the Fox Sports Radio affiliates or watching on Peacock are probably surprised that the, the second most impressive quarterback to you was not Shador Sanders. So what did you see when you broke down Shador Sanders tape? Since there's obviously the subject of a lot of conversation and again, his tape's not bad.

Greg Cosell (46:52)

You know, that's the issue you face, Ross, as you know this, you talk every single day and you know the way people respond. What I'm about to say is not a knock at all on Shador Sanders. I just think you, you need to understand what kind of quarterback he is. And by the way, you can be very, very good in the league. He's an easy, natural thrower of the football. He does not have higher level arm strength. And you can. That's a discussion that people have all the time about the relative merits of arm strength in the NFL. Some believe it's important, some believe it's, it's not one of the most important traits. That's a discussion people have all the time when they evaluate quarterbacks. You know, just as a quick aside, when I hear the phrase he can make all the throws that tells me he can't make all the throws. And I'm talking about Shador. I'm talking about when I hear that about quarterbacks in general, because why are we saying that? You know, so, you know, if a quarterback could make all the throws, then why are we even having, you know, saying that? But anyway, getting back to Shador, I think Shedor is much more of a ball distributor and executor of an offense. That's the style of quarterback he is. And by the way, you can be a really good quarterback in the NFL playing that way. I think, as with Ward, that I mentioned a few things that need to be cleaned up. There's a few things with Shador that need to be cleaned up. Number one, he has a tendency to hold the ball with one hand when he feels pressure. You know, as well as I do that has to be cleaned up in the NFL. And that'll be one of the first things that's cleaned up because you cannot give the ball away in the NFL. And second of all, he has a tendency to retreat backwards. You cannot retreat backwards in the NFL. But you're dealing with a guy that at his best is rhythmic. He's a distributor. He's an easy thrower for the most part. His ball placement is pretty precise. There's a lot to like. But I think he's a ball distributor. You know, I think in some ways, you know, I thought of CJ Stroud when he came out of Ohio State. I thought Stroud was a better prospect in a number of ways, but they're both sort of at their core pocket quarterbacks. And, you know, I think Sanders is not at the level of Stroud when Stroud came out, but he's that kind of player stylistically.

Greg Rosenthal (49:04)

Interesting. Talking with Greg Kosi. Want to transition Greg to the veteran quarterbacks because we've got free agency next week.

Greg Cosell (49:14)

Yeah.

Greg Rosenthal (49:14)

And there are guys that I think are going to find jobs. Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers. Let's start with Darnold, because there still seems to be some debate as to whether or not he's the guy he was in the first 16 games last year or he's the guy that he was in the last two games. What do you think any team that would sign Darnold will be getting with him?

Greg Cosell (49:43)

Well, I think the discussion probably revolves around whether he's a scheme specific player or whether you can put him in any scheme and be effective. Because don't forget, you know, the year prior to Minnesota, he was a backup quarterback for the Niners. And then he went to Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, who pretty much everybody understands is a really good pass game schemer. The schematics of that offense really present clean, defined throws for the quarterback at the intermediate and deeper levels. And that's a rarity in the NFL these days with so many short balls being thrown. And Darnold was phenomenal at that. Here's a statistic that blew me away. And he led the league in passes that went more than 20 yards in the air.

Greg Rosenthal (50:28)

Ross.

Greg Cosell (50:29)

From the line of scrimmage. Think about that. More than 20 yards in the air from the line of scrimmage. Darnold completed 57% of his passes that led the league. By Contrast, Mahomes completed 26% of his passes. And I'm not suggesting Darnold's a better quarterback than Mahomes. That's not.

Greg Rosenthal (50:46)

Nope, you already said it. It's on social media.

Greg Cosell (50:48)

Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Dan Patrick (50:50)

So.

Greg Cosell (50:51)

So, you know, I mean, so I think that that's the discussion with Darnold as to whether you could assign him, plug him into any system and he would be successful or whether what he did a year ago was very foundationally a product of working with Kevin O'Connell. And that's probably one of those things that there's no. It's not a mathematical equation. No one knows the answer to that specifically. And that I don't get into the money. But that will probably dictate what teams offer him. If people felt you could put them in any system. Ross. And he'd be great. He'd probably be in the 45, 50 million range. If people feel that that's not the case, he'll probably be closer to the 30, 35 million range and we'll see where it goes from there. But we're dealing with a 6 4, 225 pound guy with a big arm and, and need I say he can make every thrower us I love.

Greg Rosenthal (51:42)

Sorry, Greg.

Greg Cosell (51:43)

And of course he's mobile. He can move as well.

Greg Rosenthal (51:45)

Yep. Absolutely love Greg Cosell. Comes on the Dan Patrick show and drops a stat of the day on Sam Darnold, throwing it over 20 yards downfield. Greg, what about Daniel Jones? You know, I'm curious about him. Is there any chance Daniel Jones could be this year Sam Darnold or two years ago's Baker Mayfield, that he could be sort of the, the reclamation project in Cleveland or somewhere and play at a high level?

Greg Cosell (52:15)

A true enigma for me. Ross. Because you know, up to this point, I'd have to say that I was wrong about him. I liked him coming out. Now, I didn't like him the way I thought he'd be Josh Allen, but I liked him coming out. And as we probably all remember, I know you do, his rookie year, he was very good. There was a sense coming off his rookie season that he could be, you know, a quality NFL starting quarterback. Now we can start looking at any number of reasons why it didn't happen. O line, lack of weapons, but you have to also look at the player, you know. And one of the things about Daniel Jones that I thought started to really show itself and again, now you get into team scheme and other factors is even though he is mobile as a straight line runner, he's fairly robotic in the pocket. And one thing that he lacks, and I think this is a really important trait, one thing that he lacks is pocket movement, and that's a difference between running out of the pocket. They're two totally different traits. Pocket movement is the ability to move within the pocket. Think of an area that's smaller than, let's say the size of a boxing ring. But just to give you a sense of sort of confined space to be able to move in the pocket within the pocket, to avoid pressure, keep your eyes downfield, maintain your focus, not lose your focus of the routes and the coverage and still then reset your platform to deliver the ball. I think that that's a trait that he needs that he hasn't really shown, and I think that's really imperative for the style of quarterback that he is.

Greg Rosenthal (53:51)

Check him out on social media at Greg Cosell. So, you know, wherever he's at, especially when he joins me on Thursdays, typically on the Ross Tucker football podcast, obviously 45 years, NFL Films. Just incredible. Greg, thank you so much as always.

Greg Cosell (54:08)

Ross, really appreciate being on with you today. Thanks for having me.

Steph Curry (54:10)

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

Greg Rosenthal (54:23)

Peja 5, Dirk Ford.

Steph Curry (54:25)

Peja is a lead. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

Greg Rosenthal (54:28)

That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

Steph Curry (54:31)

Yes, absolutely.

Jordan Schultz (54:32)

Love it.

Steph Curry (54:32)

Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you, with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Julius Randle (55:11)

What's up everyone? Julius Ripps here, along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.

Greg Rosenthal (55:16)

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

Julius Randle (55:18)

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

Greg Rosenthal (55:21)

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

Julius Randle (55:27)

Exactly, and you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

Greg Rosenthal (55:31)

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

Julius Randle (55:35)

Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Steph Curry (55:43)

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's Advice from Google CMO Lorraine2Hill on how to treat AI like a partner. I see AI as an incredible copilot. You may use different tools or toys to get the work done, but AI is just the latest flavor of that. You're still the judge of what good looks like. I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this is Working Leaders Share Strategies for Success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer.

Greg Rosenthal (56:19)

If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune in to my podcast Building One.

Greg Cosell (56:25)

I speak with some of the best.

Greg Rosenthal (56:27)

Product builders out there.

Steph Curry (56:28)

I've always been inspired by frustration. It came back to my own personal.

Dan Patrick (56:32)

Pain point, so we had to go.

Steph Curry (56:34)

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Greg Rosenthal (56:39)

You have to be obsessed with the human condition.

Steph Curry (56:41)

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