The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show - Episode: The Best of The Dan Patrick Show
Release Date: April 2, 2025
Host: Mark Sanchez
Guest: Nate Thompson (Former NHL Player)

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1. NBA Highlights and Player Performances

Mark Sanchez and Nate Thompson delve into recent standout performances in the NBA, particularly focusing on Nikola Jokić's remarkable triple-double and Steph Curry's exceptional shooting display.

• Nikola Jokić's Triple-Double:

  • Mark Sanchez (03:07): "Joker is so methodical, you could say plotting. He's a really good outside shooter, but he would get inside, and it's just old man moves."
  • Nate Thompson (09:48): "Nicola Jokić might be the best basketball player I've ever seen. Like close-up. Besides myself."

  Jokić achieved his third 60-point triple-double in NBA history, scoring 61 points, grabbing 10 rebounds, and dishing out 10 assists in a double-overtime loss to the Timberwolves. This performance places him alongside legends like James Harden and Luka Dončić.

• Steph Curry's Shooting Prowess:

  • Mark Sanchez (08:32): "Steph made 12 three-pointers. He finished with 52 points. He has 15 career games of 50 or more points, tied for sixth most all-time."

  Curry continues to demonstrate his elite shooting capabilities, making it look effortless despite the high demands of the game. His ability to find space and execute under pressure remains unmatched, positioning him as a perennial contender among active players.

2. NFL Owners Meetings and Rule Changes

The discussion shifts to recent NFL owners meetings, focusing on the contentious Tush Push play and its implications for the game.

• Tush Push Controversy:

  • Mark Sanchez (07:48): "They tabled other things to be fair to this rule, but that feels like we want to get rid of the Tush Push. Let's table this."
  • Nate Thompson (23:59): "Nick Sirianni said we have four teams that should be voting to keep this play in because it got three other coaches jobs."

  The Tush Push, a play heavily utilized by the Philadelphia Eagles, has sparked debate over its safety and impact on the game. While some teams advocate for its continuation due to strategic advantages, others question its necessity and potential safety risks. The owners have decided to postpone the vote to May, indicating ongoing negotiations and divisions among the teams.

3. Players Association Negotiations and Season Expansion

The conversation transitions to the potential expansion of the NFL season to 18 games and what the Players Association might seek in return.

• 18-Game Season Proposal:

  • Mark Sanchez (44:45): "This feels like the last call for the Players Association to be able to go, we'll give you that 18th game."
  • Tomer Cohen (45:16): "What can the players get? More roster spots, maybe a larger piece of the pie."

  The NFL is contemplating extending the regular season, which has significant implications for players' health, team strategies, and league revenues. The Players Association, led by Lloyd Howell, may leverage this proposal to negotiate better terms, such as increased roster sizes, enhanced benefits, and improved safety measures.

4. Ongoing Rule Changes in the NFL

Further analysis covers additional rule changes discussed during the owners meetings, including onside kick modifications and overtime adjustments.

• Onside Kick Adjustments:

  • Tomer Cohen (43:18): "The onside kick continues to be a dead play and they've tabled until May the question of whether they'll allow the team that's trailing to try an onside kick at any point before the fourth quarter."

  The effectiveness and excitement of the onside kick remain under scrutiny. Recent changes, such as moving the touchback point from the 30 to the 35-yard line, aim to increase returns but have yet to significantly impact game dynamics.

• Overtime Rules:

  • Tomer Cohen (47:11): "I don't like the idea of a 15-minute overtime in the regular season because what if you're playing a Thursday after you play a Sunday."

  Adjustments to overtime duration and rules are being considered to balance game fairness and player safety, especially in back-to-back scheduling scenarios.

5. Team Management: Cowboys and Jerry Jones

The hosts critique Jerry Jones's management style of the Dallas Cowboys, highlighting negotiation strategies and team performance implications.

• Jerry Jones's Negotiation Tactics:

  • Tomer Cohen (51:37): "Jerry Jones is a prime example of how certain skills that allowed you to make the money, that enabled you to purchase an NFL team are not transferable to how to be as successful as you can be when you own the NFL team."

  Jones's approach to contract negotiations, particularly with key players like Micah Parsons, is under scrutiny. His tactics are perceived as reactive and embattled, often leading to prolonged negotiations that may harm team cohesion and player relations.

6. Personal Stories and Anecdotes

Towards the end of the episode, Nate Thompson shares personal updates, including family milestones and friendly banter with Mark Sanchez.

• Family Updates:

  • Nate Thompson (29:26): "My wife is an absolute superstar. Twin girls, Francesca and Samantha. She's on a Peacock show, 'Long Bright River' with Amanda Seyfried."

  • Mark Sanchez (30:33): "Congrats on the babies, though."

  These personal stories provide a lighthearted contrast to the intense sports discussions, showcasing the hosts' camaraderie and personal lives.

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Notable Quotes

1. Nikola Jokić on His Triple-Double:

   • Mark Sanchez (03:07): "Joker is so methodical, you could say plotting. He's a really good outside shooter, but he would get inside, and it's just old man moves."

2. Steph Curry on His Shooting:

   • Mark Sanchez (08:32): "He makes it look simple, he makes it look easy. But that's not easy, what he does."

3. Tush Push Debate:

   • Nate Thompson (23:59): "Nick Sirianni said we have four teams that should be voting to keep this play in because it got three other coaches jobs."

4. Jerry Jones's Management Style:

   • Tomer Cohen (51:37): "Jerry Jones is a prime example of how certain skills that allowed you to make the money... are not transferable to how to be as successful as you can be when you own the NFL team."

5. Personal Anecdote on Family:

   • Nate Thompson (29:26): "My wife is an absolute superstar. Twin girls, Francesca and Samantha."

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Conclusions and Insights

• Strategic Dominance in NBA: The discussion underscores the strategic brilliance of players like Nikola Jokić and Steph Curry, who continue to redefine their roles and influence game outcomes significantly.

• Complexity of NFL Rule Changes: The NFL's deliberations on rules like the Tush Push and onside kicks highlight the league's ongoing struggle to balance game integrity, safety, and entertainment value. The postponement of votes indicates internal disagreements and the intricate dynamics among team owners.

• Implications of Season Expansion: Expanding the NFL season to 18 games presents both opportunities and challenges. While it promises increased revenue and more playtime for fans, it raises concerns about player health, burnout, and the overall structure of the season.

• Management and Negotiation Practices: Effective team management extends beyond financial prowess. Jerry Jones's example illustrates the necessity of adaptive negotiation strategies and the importance of fostering positive relationships with players to ensure long-term team success.

• Human Element in Sports: Personal stories shared by hosts like Nate Thompson emphasize the human side of sports figures, reminding listeners of the lives and relationships that exist beyond the field and court.

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This episode of The Dan Patrick Show provides a comprehensive analysis of recent developments in both the NBA and NFL, offering listeners deep insights into player performances, league rule changes, and team management strategies, all while maintaining engaging and personable interactions between the hosts.

Transcript

[Julie Swerbinks]

What's up, everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.

[Nate Thompson]

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

[Julie Swerbinks]

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

[Nate Thompson]

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

[Julie Swerbinks]

Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

[Nate Thompson]

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

[Julie Swerbinks]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Roth]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.

[Jamie Dimon]

Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me? Do I communicate well? Develop the team, develop the people, Create a system of trust. And it works over time.

[Dan Roth]

I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this Is Working Leaders Share strategies for success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tomer Cohen]

I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer. If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune in to my podcast, Building One. I speak with some of the best product builders out there.

[Dan Roth]

I've always been inspired by frustration.

[Tomer Cohen]

It came back to my own personal pinpoint. So we had to go out to farmers and convince them. Following that, curiosity is a superpower.

[Nate Thompson]

You have to be obsessed with the human condition.

[Tomer Cohen]

Listen to Building One on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tim Harford]

The legendary escapologist Harry Houdini was obsessed with the afterlife.

[Tomer Cohen]

I see a little boy.

[Julie Swerbinks]

He is in a happy place.

[Tim Harford]

Join me, Tim Harford, for a Cautionary Tales trilogy on the world's most famous magician and his campaign to ban mediums. A mission that would cost him friends and leave him fearing for his life.

[Harry Houdini]

They're going to kill me.

[Tim Harford]

Listen to Cautionary tales on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tomer Cohen]

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[Julie Swerbinks]

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[Tomer Cohen]

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[Mark Sanchez]

Today you are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, Seaton, got a poll question for me. And then we'll dive into what we saw last night with the teams kind of jockeying for playoff position. These games are meaning a lot to a lot of teams players. Yeah, you have the other end of the spectrum that the teams that are tanking. But last night what we saw with Denver, what we saw with Golden State was very impressive. What do you have for his first hour?

[Seaton]

Well, I was going to start off non sports, actually. I think we have a good poll question coming. Segment two, okay, if we start out non sports, go with Val Kilmer, his best movie.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay. Passed away yesterday.

[Seaton]

Yeah, Val Kilmer just passed away. His best movie. Would it be Tombstone, the Doors, Heat? He's in another Top Gun. Yeah, he's sort of a minor character in that. He's in another movie called Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. That was really great.

[Mark Sanchez]

I think that's where he met his wife. And Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

[Seaton]

I might throw real genius in there. Just Maybe that's the 8 year old in me, but I used to love real genius.

[Mark Sanchez]

Well, he had a cameo in Top Gun, the new one, but in the original he was Iceman. Yeah, had a big role.

[Seaton]

He was in Willow was a big movie when I was a kid. I remember.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pauline.

[Tomer Cohen]

I was actually watching Tombstone last night. It's one of those movies when you're flipping, you're like, oh, Tombstone. And it's one of the. Tombstone is a very good western. Val Kilmer takes it to the next level. He's the best thing in the movie.

[Mark Sanchez]

I don't think I've ever watched Tombstone. I know you've. Yeah. Don't think I have. Yeah, man.

[Seaton]

You know, it's too bad too, because I don't know that you can now, but God, was that a good movie when it came out.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, it doesn't hold up.

[Seaton]

I don't know if it does or not. I'm finding that almost no movies really hold up anymore, to be honest with you. I just started watching. I started rewatching last night the Wire with my son. Yeah, 15 like, nah, dude, you're gonna love this.

[Mark Sanchez]

Whatever.

[Seaton]

And I had to get. After the first episode, I was like, all right, give me two episodes. Two episodes. And then because he couldn't stop laughing at like, some of, like the way some of like the cops acted or something, you're like, oh, my. He was like, oh, my God, this is so corny. But I'm like, nah, just you're meeting a lot of characters. Give me two more episodes and then let me know.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, man. Breaking Bad would still hold up, I'm guessing. If you haven't seen Breaking Bad, I haven't watched the Sopranos. So does the Sopranos still hold up? I'm guessing.

[Seaton]

I don't know.

[Mark Sanchez]

No. Okay.

[Seaton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tomer Cohen]

Paul, if you go back and re watch some of these things, like the first three episodes of the Sopranos, it's all about the psychologist, psychiatrist. It's not kind of a mafia yet. It doesn't. It's like the first couple episodes of Seinfeld. They're not that good yet.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yes, Todd. Lauren Bracco. Thank you, John.

[Seaton]

Lorraine Brocco.

[Tomer Cohen]

Not Lauren. She prefers Lorraine. I call it Lauren.

[Seaton]

Her friends call her Lauren and her.

[Mark Sanchez]

Everyone on earth blame it on Lorraine. Okay, so I think we might have a poll question, play of the day coming up as well. Joker went for 61, 10 and 10. And if he went 61, 9 and 9, it would still be as impressive. But we get caught up. If it was a triple double and he had 61 points, that is true. He played over 52 minutes, scoring the 61 points in a double overtime loss to the Timberwolves. So 10 and 10. So that's the third 60 point triple double in NBA history. James Harden did it and then Luka Doncic. You go back to Luca in 2022. He went 60, 21 and 10. This is the start of the day brought to you by Panini America. Steph Curry made 12 three pointers. He finished with 52 points. So he has 15 career games of 50 or more points. Tied for sixth most all time and tied with Dame Lillard for second among active players. You're watching him and it. He makes it look simple, he makes it look easy. But so does Joker. Joker is so methodical, you could say plotting. He's a really good outside shooter, but he would get inside and it's just old man moves. That's a little shake over here, a little, you know, fake over here, move over here, a little jump hook here. And he's going against the stifled tower, Rudy Gobert. And he just does what he wants to do. And same with Steph, but Steph trying to do it on the perimeter. And at one point, Zach Edie is out There trying to guard him. So you had seven four against six three. And Steph got just enough room and then he shoots a three. It's remarkable. You know, I've watched the NBA for probably 55 years and you just watch somebody shoot like that and nobody has ever shot like that. No one. And he just makes it look effortless and it's not, it's. That is not easy what he does. But he finds enough space. He's really good at doing that. And Joker does too. Because you look at Joker and you go, why can't somebody stop him? He is so good with his footwork, he's so smart with the ball and he just moves at his own pace. He brings the game to his speed. Kawhi Leonard used to do that on a regular basis. Luca does that. You slow the game down to your pace instead of you have to speed up to what you would think an NBA games pace would be. And it's remarkable. But to watch Steph, I don't know if he'll ever be reduced to a role player like his father was. You know, his dad was a great shooter, but he wasn't a guy who was going to beat you off the dribble. He'd usually be in the corner, you know, shooting. But I don't know if his Steph isn't going to play any place else. I don't think this is. He's going to retire as a Golden State warrior. But can he be the third option? Let you know. Let's say three years down the road. Is he still able to be Steph Curry two years down the road? Can they bring in somebody who would be the number one option on that team? Because Jimmy Butler is not going to be there. Long haul, long term. They do have some younger players, but I haven't seen anybody take that next step up. And then Denver did this without Jamal Murray. It was Joker. That was it. Here is Anthony Edwards, who was dynamic as well last night. The Timberwolves guard talking about Jokic's performance.

[Tomer Cohen]

That might have been the best game of my life. Like that I've been a part of. Nicola Yogic, bro. Oh my God. He might be the best basketball player I've ever seen. Like close up. Besides to my, like besides myself to myself, bro. He's incredible, bro.

[Mark Sanchez]

The MVP race is tough, man.

[Tomer Cohen]

I don't know yet.

[Tim Harford]

60.

[Mark Sanchez]

That is funny. He's the best basketball player except for me. But Anthony Edwards was wonderful again last night. But these are games, you know, they're meaningful. With Golden State jockeying for position. Denver jockeying for position. This is when you watch a game and you truly get to watch a game and enjoy a game. You're seeing great players play games that really mean something. And Joker's playing almost 53 minutes last night, and he's the focal point every time down the floor. That wears you out. Same with Steph. It's like, all right, go out there and get him. Gonna load up. Steph, you're on your own tonight. All right. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show the NFL owners meetings. I got a confession to make because I know what's going to happen. I'm going to go to like a Christmas party and I'll be the sports expert and somebody will say, hey, games going into overtime, what are the overtime rules in the NFL? And I'm going to go, I think, yeah. Oh, I think both teams get the ball. But I think that, well, this is regular season. Is regular season overtime the same as post? I might pull a Jim Boeheim. Oh, hold on. My wife's calling me. Yeah, I like, I can't keep track of it. They just keep tweaking and tweaking and tweaking and then you're going, I don't know, but looks like tweaking over time. How they spot the ball. The chain gang. Are they keeping the chain gang? What's their role in the game? They're going to be able to review if you get hit, somebody out of bounds. Going to be able to review roughing the quarterback. There's a lot that was being unpacked at the owner's meetings. Then you had the tush push and then they're going to table that. And all that means to me is, see, this isn't like the movie, what is it, 12 Angry Men, where they have to stay in and come up with a verdict. And I think I was back in the 60s or something, but why don't they just say, we're going to stay in here until we get come up with the vote. But if I'm the Eagles and Jeffrey Laurie the owner and I go, wait a minute, we're all here. Why are we tabling this? Because tabling means we don't have enough support yet. But let's wait till May and then I'm going to work behind the scenes. If I'm the commissioner or are reading the commissioner, it'd be, hey, I don't have all the votes. Let's just table this.

[Tomer Cohen]

Now.

[Mark Sanchez]

They tabled other things to be fair to this rule, but that feels like we want to get rid of the Tush push. Let's table this. And if I'm the Eagles and I'm Jeffrey Lurie, I just say, commissioner, what are we waiting for? Everybody can vote right now. Let's take a vote. And I don't know if you can do that. I don't know if you want to embarrass the commissioner, but this is a rule that's directed at the Eagles. That's it. We're all here. Let's all vote, and then let's see if we keep this, because I think if they voted yesterday, they probably didn't have the necessary votes to put an end to the Tush push because they needed 24 votes. Yes, Paulie.

[Tomer Cohen]

Yeah, it's a good point. The Eagles kind of have to know about this play. As they plan their team going forward. It changes the structure of their offense. They should demand it.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, I was surprised because it felt like the momentum was there, but I just got the feeling that the commissioner didn't get what he wanted. Here is Roger Goodell yesterday.

[Tomer Cohen]

There's a lot of discussion about going back to the previous rule, back to pre 2004. The reality of it is I think that makes a lot of sense in many ways because I think it expands it beyond just that single player play. There are a lot of plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that are not in the tush push formation that I think do have an increased risk of injury. And so I think the committee will look at that and come back in May with some proposals.

[Mark Sanchez]

And you know what that proposal will be. See ya. But yeah, they used to call this that you couldn't push somebody from behind. I don't know, you know what, genius? Go. You know what? We should let them push from behind. And now the commissioner, I guess, can go back and say, you know what, on second thought, we're going to change. We're going to go back to the original rule. Now, Chase Daniel of the Athletic, he has a podcast called Scoop City. Former quarterback. He said that he spoke to a doctor who believes there is zero data that says the Tush push creates added health and safety concerns for NFL players. Yes, I said that yesterday. My source said there's no data. They want data, but they don't have anything. And that's what, you know, maybe the commissioner's trying to find new ways to get more information just to say to these other owners, but I don't know who's gonna can you get 24 to vote against this? And I think that's why they're tabling it. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

[Tomer Cohen]

Hey, Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what. What's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem.

[Nate Thompson]

To have the time to discuss.

[Tomer Cohen]

And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino Enrich Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Koveeno and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.

[Dan Roth]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast, this is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, on standing out from the leadership crowd.

[Jamie Dimon]

Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is do you trust me? Do I communicate well? You know, when you walk in a room, do people feel good you're there? Are you responsive to people? Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, develop the people. Create a system of trust. And it works over time.

[Dan Roth]

I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast, this is Working. Leaders like Jamie Dimon, Mark Cuban, and Richard Branson share strategies for success and the real lessons that have shaped them. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Andrew Seaman]

Did you know that companies hire the most in the first two months of the year? Or that nearly half of workers are worried about being left behind? I am Andrew Seaman, LinkedIn's editor at large for jobs and career development, and my show Get Hired brings you all the information you need to, well, get hired.

[Mark Sanchez]

People are forming opinions of you even before you log into the zoom or walk into the room. And so you really have to think about what is it I want to display.

[Julie Swerbinks]

You don't plant a garden and then just walk away and expect it to thrive. You are in there pulling out the weeds. You're pruning it, you're watering it. It's the same thing with your network. You should always be in there actively managing your network.

[Tomer Cohen]

If you don't feel confident to say a number, even admitting that to a recruiter is going to be far better.

[Andrew Seaman]

Than saying, well, what is your budget for the role?

[Tomer Cohen]

A lot is in the follow up, right? Don't wait to follow up.

[Andrew Seaman]

Whether you're a new grad, an established professional, or contemplating a career change, Get Hired is for you. Listen to Get Hired with Andrew seaman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you like to listen.

[Tomer Cohen]

My name is Harry Houdini.

[Tim Harford]

Harry Houdini could make elephants disappear, walk through walls, and escape the Chinese water torture cell. But he was also on a mission against mediums.

[Harry Houdini]

I have never seen one genuine medium.

[Tim Harford]

Join me, Tim Harford, for a Cautionary Tales trilogy on the world's most famous magician.

[Harry Houdini]

It takes a flim flammer to catch a flim flammer.

[Tim Harford]

Houdini wanted the world to see reason in an age of spiritualism. He went undercover to seances, exposed fakes and charlatans, and even tried to convince Washington lawmakers to ban mediums for good, a campaign that cost him friends and made him many enemies.

[Harry Houdini]

They're going to kill me.

[Tim Harford]

Listen to Cautionary tales on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Harry Houdini]

The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations, but most people avoid them. Staying silent, missing opportunities, and holding themselves back. I know this is true because I used to be one of those people. As a kid, I struggled to fit in and I was afraid to speak up. That fear followed me into adulthood until I realized something powerful. Negotiation isn't a talent. It's a skill anyone can learn. And it starts with negotiating with yourself, breaking through fear, self doubt, and the limits we place on ourselves. Now I help people from all walks of life, whether it's people closing multimillion dollar deals, parents setting boundaries, students finding their voices, or professionals advancing their careers. If you want to handle tough conversations get what you deserve and take control of your future. This podcast is for you. I'm Kwame Christian, host of Negotiate Anything, the number one negotiation podcast in the world where you'll learn one simple truth. You don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate. Listen to Negotiate anything on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Julie Swerbinks]

If you are more concerned about what your fellow racists think about you, you've already lost. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a bestselling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back, and that's what we are doing on the Fighting Words podcast. Listen to my new episode with the iconic Gabrielle Union. We've cleared the air about a recent controversy with actor Matthew Lawrence, who claims she reported him on set for refusing to run lines with her. This is like two husbands ago. Like, what are we even talking about? And I ask her what it's like raising a trans daughter during Trump's second term. When you offer up the trans community as a sacrificial land, if you open the door to say, well, take these people now, the door is open and they coming for everybody. Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mark Sanchez]

He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in second place in our March Madness Bracket Challenge behind Johnny Bench. He's ahead of Jim Parsons, Joey Votto, and Brady Quinn. Mark joins us on the program. Do you know what happened at the NFL owners meetings?

[Nate Thompson]

That's a very good question. I've heard sound bites from different outlets, but I've also been knee deep in some, in some brand new children here. So I told Fritzi last night I wasn't well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks or so. But listen, you know, they always get together to discuss these kind of rules and what are we going to change? Last year, the kickoff. Now the kickoff's changing a little bit more. You know, regardless, it always seems that. And, and I never really had an issue with this as an offensive player, but the hashes are narrower for a reason. You know, you want the offense in the middle of the field, you want high scoring games, you want exciting plays when something becomes a competitive advantage or a detriment to players health, where, you know, I still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't done a deep dive on the tush push, but it doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field on a regular basis because of the play. So I don't know what you do with that. I do know it is nearly impossible and I don't hear many, many people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean, where's the line of scrimmage? You know, you saw, I think it was Frankie Luvu and the NFC championship game, just doing the old school Troy Palomalu just jump over the line of scrimmage. Like he looked like. Who was the WWF guy? Jimmy Superfly Snuka. Remember that guy jumping off the top rope and he was just like, screw it, they're gonna score anyway. I'm going, I'm just going and I'm going to try and time the snap and jump over the pile and see what happens. And at one point basically said, like, if you do it again, we're automatically giving them six points. So, I mean, that right there told me it's going to be an issue at the NFL owners meetings. I don't know what you do about it. So.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay, but if I put this to a player's vote, not an owner's vote, what do you think the. How do you think the players would vote on keeping it or get getting rid of it?

[Nate Thompson]

I think you got four teams. Like Nick Sirianni said, that was one of my favorite sound bites, is we have four teams that should be voting to keep this play in because that got three other coaches jobs, Kellen Moore, Steichen and Rich and Jonathan Gannon. So he's like, those guys were all a part of it. Yeah, it got us all first downs. It kept that Gannon's defense off the field. It got Kellen Moore the job in nola. So I got four votes right there. And I don't disagree with them. I think, I think, you know, he's spot on with that one.

[Mark Sanchez]

When you see Cam Ward, do you see enough that separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so, what is that?

[Nate Thompson]

I see an X factor. I see that potential. And there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years in the draft where you, where you see this extended playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you and it's there. He has it now. It's about, can you manage this thing? Can you, you know, can. Can we teach this guy and mold this guy and trust our coaches that we have to get him to go 15 play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and then when it's time to go in the phone booth, Throw on the Superman cape and come back out and go be Cam Ward and make the crazy falling away, you know, sidearm, whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go ahead and do it. But it can't be every single play. And that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys get away with more and more. Guys like Jaden Daniels have a little more wiggle room than, you know, maybe certain other players and the game is shifting towards that. You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited that process, I guess and was a catalyst for those kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to remember he got a ton of pub for that. After watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith go through a west coast system the right way and, and play it by the book. Operate the offense, put the ball in play, protect the football, get completion, stack your completions and you know, never go broke taking a profit. However you want to say it, whatever hits the kid's brain to make them operate the right way, if somebody can get them to do that. You got to have a lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your offensive coordinator and somebody who's going to be there forever. He's not going to be able to do this with five different coordinators in five years. Yeah, that, that's not, it's got to be a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a great veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the kid has some electrifying plays and you know, those are the kind of players that just, and I've said it on the show before, that, God, I wish I could roll out of bed and do something like that, man. And it's not like I was a bad player. I was pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I could have never done that. And so it's, you envy guys like that. They're, they're, they're special talent.

[Mark Sanchez]

Tim Hasselbeck, who played the position, now an NFL analyst for the Mothership, did a player comp for Shador Sanders and he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton. Is that a compliment to Shador Sanders?

[Nate Thompson]

I would say it's, it basically goes back to what I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean, those guys have had playoff appearances. Those guys, you know, have, I believe, won their division at least once. You know, it's, it's, it truly is a compliment. I don't think, I don't think it should be viewed another way. It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get you down the field. They get the ball to the playmakers and they're the ultimate old school, you know, point guard that, that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the high shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense, you know what I mean? That's. Those are those guys and there's. There's nothing wrong with that. That's just a different style. And as long as you're winning game, nobody cares if you operate the offense well, you're scoring your 30 plus points a game. Nobody cares how you do it. It's more fun. Sure. To watch the guy that runs all over the place and it looks more like a Madden football game. That's great. But that's also really hard to continue to play like that. And from an offensive coordinator's perspective, when you get up to the line of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where this ball is going to go. There's nothing more frustrating for an offensive coordinator then get up to line scrimmage and going, oh, God, I don't know what this guy's going to do with the ball. That's like way too much stress for a coach to go in and out of every game, every drive. Like, oh boy, does he understand what we're doing here? Like, that guy's got to know and he's got to know that, you know, So I think those are compliments and I don't mind that comp. I think, I think House back does a good job breaking stuff down.

[Mark Sanchez]

He's Mark Sanchez FOX analyst It's so important, man. Oh, you're bracket.

[Nate Thompson]

Oh, here we go. Oh, you're bracket. Finally. I'm. I'm doing well.

[Mark Sanchez]

I figure you would show me baby pictures of the twins as opposed to your brackets.

[Nate Thompson]

I got listen, Perry, Matfeld, now Sanchez, my wife is an absolute superstar of a moment. Twin girls. We got the weights in 7, 2 and 512 for twins. That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind of potential when we were scouting her in the draft eight years ago. And she has far surpassed her draft round status. Okay. But we knew with the right coaching and the right system that she would develop from a special teams type player making impact plays on special teams to now being a perennial all pro. And this is going to be her first all pro year as a mom. I am thoroughly impressed and it's been pretty cool, man. I'll send Fritzi some pictures.

[Mark Sanchez]

How about a round of applause for you're never more proud of your wife, then in the moment. Right.

[Nate Thompson]

Amen to that. I was blown away. I. At multiple times. I just wanted to be like, I am so sorry. This is partially my fault.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yes, it is.

[Nate Thompson]

It takes two to tango. But I am sorry.

[Mark Sanchez]

But you led with your brackets, though, so that's. That's not good.

[Nate Thompson]

Okay.

[Mark Sanchez]

Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made aware of this, that you led with your brackets. Not your business.

[Nate Thompson]

No. She's also on a peacock show, by the way, right now. Long Bright river with Amanda Seyfried.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay.

[Nate Thompson]

So she's in that show. It's been. It's. It's gotten some pretty decent reviews, and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased, so.

[Mark Sanchez]

Got a little plug in there for. That's good. You did your job. You did your job. And congrats on your bracket.

[Nate Thompson]

And the twins.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, and the twins. In that order.

[Nate Thompson]

My son, by the way, who you've met.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Nate Thompson]

He wanted to name them fish and chips, and so I was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay.

[Nate Thompson]

Frankie and Sammy. Frank cake and samburger. So.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay.

[Nate Thompson]

And in Spanish. It's really good. Samborghesa is awesome. I love that one.

[Mark Sanchez]

Are they going to be bilingual?

[Nate Thompson]

I hope so. Their dad is. Yeah, I'm their dad.

[Mark Sanchez]

Oh, you're the dad. My bad. Dang. My bad. Thought of his liner.

[Nate Thompson]

Oh, God. Wow.

[Mark Sanchez]

Wow. Where. Where did. Did I say what I was thinking?

[Nate Thompson]

Fritzi, right to the.

[Mark Sanchez]

Too far, too far, too far, too far, too far. Coach, I apologize. That is.

[Nate Thompson]

Guys. Wow.

[Mark Sanchez]

Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge now. Now I feel bad.

[Nate Thompson]

Now I got a sympathy. Good. You should feel bad. Should feel bad.

[Mark Sanchez]

Congrats on the babies, though.

[Nate Thompson]

Appreciate you, man. And I got some new gear, so. Remember Nick foles and Pat O'Donnell? Pat O'Donnell, the punter.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Nate Thompson]

With the. I was with him with the Bears, and then Foals and I were together with the Eagles. But he gave me. He sent me a bunch of dad season gear, and he's got, like, a hat line and clothing line, and so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything. But I got a couple of things.

[Mark Sanchez]

That's nice.

[Nate Thompson]

I was like, hey, that's kind of cool.

[Mark Sanchez]

Thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon, fellas.

[Nate Thompson]

You'd be good. We'll talk soon.

[Mark Sanchez]

That's Mark Sanchez. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Dan Roth]

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[Jamie Dimon]

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[Dan Roth]

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[Andrew Seaman]

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[Mark Sanchez]

People are forming opinions of you even before you log into the Zoom or walk into the room. And so you really have to think about, what is it I want to display?

[Julie Swerbinks]

You don't plant a garden and then just walk away and expect it to thrive. You are in there pulling out the weeds. You're pruning it, you're watering it. It's the same thing with your network. You should always be in there actively managing your network.

[Tomer Cohen]

If you don't feel confident to say a number, even admitting that to a recruiter is going to be far better.

[Andrew Seaman]

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[Tomer Cohen]

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[Andrew Seaman]

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[Tomer Cohen]

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[Tim Harford]

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[Harry Houdini]

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[Harry Houdini]

It takes a flim flammer to catch a flim flammer.

[Tim Harford]

Houdini wanted the world to see reason in an age of spiritualism. He went undercover to seances, exposed fakes and charlatans, and even tried to convince Washington lawmakers to ban mediums for good. A campaign that cost him friends and made him many enemies.

[Harry Houdini]

They're going to kill me.

[Tim Harford]

Listen to cautionary tales on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Harry Houdini]

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[Julie Swerbinks]

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[Mark Sanchez]

I go to Mike Florio. In a time of need, there are times when we have a question. Toddle send it to Mike Florio. He usually responds Something that could be of a legal issue. Mike being a lawyer. And now I come to Mike Florio in a time of need. I don't know exactly what happened at the owner's meetings. I'm still trying to understand over time, I'm trying to understand the onside kick, why the tush push was tabled. So, Mike, where do you want to start to enlighten me and hopefully our.

[Tomer Cohen]

Audience when you come to me in a time of need? Dan, is there any type of a bat signal involved that I'm not aware of, or is it just Fritzi? Is it texting me? That's the bat signal. It's the Fritz signal.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yes. Yes. Now, could the Eagles have demanded a vote yesterday with the tush push?

[Tomer Cohen]

Well, no, that's not how it works. When the wind is blowing against a proposal passing, it tends to get tabled because if you put it up for a vote, you're going to get numbers that fall short of the requisite 24 to change the rules. And ESPN.com's Kaylin Kayla reported that 16 teams were in favor of the packers proposal, which means 16 aren't. But the proposal itself from the packers was very flawed. And I don't know whether they introduced a bad proposal just to get the conversation started, but the idea of banning the immediate pushing of the quarterback after he gets the snap, that opens a can of worms for officiating and consistency and replay review and tinfoil hat conspiracies. They threw the flag on that one when it wasn't really immediate and the fix is in. So I'm glad they're stepping back from that and they're really getting to the heart of this. The heart of this is do we want to get rid of the maneuver altogether of a player who has the ball being pushed from behind? The rule used to be you couldn't do it. They changed the rule because they were never enforcing it. And that was more down the field. Guys. Running for the first down, here comes Jimbo Curvert chugging along and shoving him for the first down. It was never incorporated into the actual play. The Eagles realized 16 years after they allowed this, the Eagles realized, we can weaponize this. That's the issue. Are we going to reset the clock to when you couldn't pull or push the player with the ball? And if they want to get rid of this, Dan, that's the easiest and best way to do it. Reset the clock to 2004 and say, no more pushing. And then Eagles will just run a quarterback sneak and they'll still kick everybody's ass. And they'll have to come up with some other way to explain why the Eagles are superior to everyone when it comes to these short yardage plays.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, I'm with you. That's why I said you can get rid of the Tush push. The Eagles are still going to be dominating with that offensive line and with that quarterback in this position. But it feels like they table this because the NFL is not getting the results they want, which isn't fair to the Eagles. If you said let's vote right now, why can't they ask for a vote right now? So what if it doesn't pass? That's what, that's the opinion right now.

[Tomer Cohen]

It's a great point. And, and let's play it out. If the Eagles had said we demand a vote today on the packers proposal, okay, it goes down 16. 16, not enough to pass. They could still reformulate a new proposal for May, which is what they're doing. I think a lot of this is just PR based and they're going to.

[Mark Sanchez]

Get rid of this, aren't they?

[Tomer Cohen]

Well, this is what bothers me, I feel like. And it reminds me a lot of what happened when the Patriots were successful. The Patriots always cheat. That's what all the other teams would say. Because when the owners are asking the coaches and GMs that they've hired and paid a lot of money to, why can't you beat the Patriots? The easy thing to say is they cheat. So now we found something the Eagles do that helps explain their dominance. And we're saying it's not football. It doesn't look like football. It's not safe. Well, where's the injury data? We don't have any, but we might have some at some point. So let's get rid of it now because it might not be safe at some point in the future. And what I don't like about it is I feel like there's a lot of moving of the goalposts and I almost feel like our political discourse has crept into football where you have people making these transparently obvious, self interested arguments that are bull crap. I almost said the other word and I remembered your FCC regulated. So I corrected myself. But they're making these arguments all because the Eagles have cracked the code and everybody else is standing there looking at the safe and they don't even know how to begin to spin the dial. And that's. It feels like to me that's what's going on here. Let's just call it what it is. The Eagles are kicking everybody's butt and so let's just take away the best club that they have in the bag.

[Mark Sanchez]

Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host with Chris Sims, the show that precedes ours on Peacock. All right, let's recap. Replay onside kick Any other rule changes? I'll let you start with whatever's top on your list.

[Tomer Cohen]

Well, the onside kick continues to be a dead play and they've tabled until May the question of whether they'll allow the team that's trailing to try an onside kick at any point before the fourth quarter. And it was relevant in the super bowl because as the Chiefs were driving down 34 nothing, I said to Michael David Smith and Shereen Williams in the press box at the Superdome, hey, they might want to wait until the fourth quarter to score because if they score in the third quarter, they can't do an onside kick. And it's kind of a dumb, arbitrary limitation on the opportunity to retain possession. All that said, the onside kick currently is worthless. It's meaningless. I like the idea of a fourth and long play as a way to give the team that's trailing the opportunity to keep possession. But for now, they've done nothing with it. All they've done is they've changed the touchback point from the 30 to the 35, which will spark more returns. And it's funny, Dan, I've had people point out to me we're so concerned about the safety of the Tush push, which has been around for three years and there's no evidence it's not safe. Meanwhile, we're going to have a dramatic increase in these kickoff returns with this new formation where even though you don't have the catastrophic injury potential with two guys going full speed coming at each other 30 yards apart, you still get guys ear holed in short yardage and kickers blown up. And that's not even a conversation. It's just a weird dichotomy right now.

[Mark Sanchez]

Well, and then they're going to be pushing for an 18 game season. So you can't sit here and it's about players.

[Tomer Cohen]

Just a matter of when it's happening, it's just a matter of when.

[Mark Sanchez]

Okay, but this is the last real chip for the players association when you think about what can we get now? Can we ask for three more roster spots, could we get an offensive, can we get a third string quarterback, can we get somebody on offense, somebody on defense or whatever you know you're going to ask for? But this Feels like last call for the Players association to be able to go, we'll give you that 18th game. What do you think the players are going to want in return?

[Tomer Cohen]

Well, and here's what it ultimately boils down to. Will the NFL wait until the current CBA expires in March of 2031, lock the players out until they cry uncle on an 18th game and then get whatever deal the NFL has put on the table? Because we know what will happen. The players are never going to take the nuclear option. The owners will. So to get to 18 before 2031, what will the union want and what can the union get? And a year ago, Lloyd Howell, the fairly new NFLPA executive director, was interviewed by, I believe the Washington Post, possibly the Athletic. And when he was asked about 18 games, he said, who doesn't want more football? And it was a horrible negotiating posture. He has since backtracked. I don't know if you could put that toothpaste back in the tube. But in February, Dan, he adopted a more no way in hell posture, which is what you need to start from in order to get the best possible deal for the players if it's going to happen. And I think the year to watch is 2029. That's when, and really it's after 29, when the CBA, not the CBA expires. But the TV deals are up for grabs. But you know, they could do it. They could do it whenever they want. The union and the league could come to an agreement on 18 games today if they wanted to. The question is, what can the players get? And you're right, more roster spots, maybe a little larger piece of the pie, Just basically anything else you want. If the. The league wants to get to 18 now, ask for everything. Hell, I've even suggested in the past, somewhat jokingly, go ahead and offer 20 games because we know we're going to get to 20 games one of these days. 20 games and no preseason games and ask for everything. Now, let's go ahead. Let's. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Let's do 20. And here's the list of everything we'd want to go to. 20.

[Mark Sanchez]

Overtime, regular season, overtime, postseason. Are they aligned?

[Tomer Cohen]

Not now. No. No, not the way that I think it could have been. Look, I don't like the idea of a 15 minute overtime in the regular season because what if you're playing a Thursday after you play a Sunday and you go 15 minutes of overtime on Sunday and then you got to turn around on Thursday and potentially go 15 minutes of overtime then too. But by doing only 10 minutes and guaranteeing a possession for each team, we're going to get into a situation where the team that receives the kick potentially is going to chew up what, yeah, nine minutes on a touchdown drive. And Chris Sims made a great point today. You get around the 35 of the other team and that defense might say, well maybe we're going to let him score a touchdown here because we want to have a fair crack to answer the touchdown instead of having them take the rest of the time off the clock. And we're in a two minute offense to try to match this touchdown. I, I think that they made a mistake by not going back to 15 minutes because you want to have both teams to have a fair shot at a possession in that overtime period. And I think if that's the case, you'll see most teams if they win the toss, choose to kick. And then if the team that receives gets a touchdown, you'll see an opportunity to try to score and go for two and end it there's with 10 minutes. I don't think it's as obvious that the right choice is to kick if you win the toss.

[Mark Sanchez]

More reviewable plays with replay.

[Tomer Cohen]

I like it, but I don't like what they've done. I don't like this, this discrepancy between. We'll use replay assist to determine whether or not to pick up a flag that was thrown that shouldn't have been flown. For example, horse collar tackle. They throw the flag, they look at it. Clear and obvious evidence there was no horse collar tackle. You pick up the flag but face mask. Sam Darnold getting the Linda Blair treatment from the Exorcist on that Thursday night against the Rams. The referee didn't see it, the umpire didn't see it and we got the explanation. Well, you know, they're down there, they can't see everything. Okay, fine, but replay sees it, we all see it. Oh, but we're not going to put a flag on the field. That, that to me doesn't solve the problem. There's still this donut hole in the gap between what the officials see on the field and what we see at home. And the excuse like we don't want to officiate the game from the booth. You're already doing that. We don't want to put. It's a non starter to put a flag down. You've had for years the ability to use replay to put a flag down for 12 men on the field. So I don't like it. I think it's a half measure. I think it's going to cause more problems and hopefully next year they'll realize we need to go ahead and use it for, you know, if there is or isn't or was or wasn't for just a narrow handful of plays where we can all see that the foul did or didn't happen.

[Mark Sanchez]

I think one of the more exciting plays, even though it's not a play, but it's a moment. Are we going to lose the chain gang coming out to measure for a first down? I, I, I love that. But is modern technology going to keep those guys on the sidelines?

[Tomer Cohen]

Well, you know, Dan, that's the reason why they kept doing it for over 100 years. Think back to when football was first invented. How do we determine whether or not the team with the ball got 10 yards? I know, let's get two sticks and 10 yards of chain link and we'll use that to determine it. And it does create a moment of drama when the, the big orange stick gets pulled and maybe Gene Stereotor has to pull a card out of his pocket and bend over and didn't really get there. And sometimes you'll see and you see a lot of high school games where that orange stick, you know which way the wind is blowing a little bit here and it's a first down. But this is where the stakes of the game nowadays, especially with legalized gambling, they cry out for a full embrace of technology. Let's get everything right that we can get right and let's, let's set aside the things that have been in place for 100 years. There are better ways to do it. And you're right, that moment is going to be gone now, except when the Hawkeye system ends up being down and they have to use the chains. But I think there's such an imperative now for the league to try to get everything right. With so much money, bet legally on our phones, coast to coast on the outcomes of these games, they have to get these calls right.

[Mark Sanchez]

I don't spend a lot of time on the Cowboys, but when I do, it's usually about Jerry Jones and trying to understand a man who, you know, took a 150 million dollar investment and made it worth $10 billion. But trying to understand how he negotiates that he likes to see a little bit more. Well, every time he's wanted to see a little bit more, he spends a whole lot more. He did it with Dax, CD Lamb and now he's saying apparently he's got to see a little bit more with Micah Parsons before he ponies up the biggest contract to anybody other than quarterbacks. So what, is there a method to the madness here that Jerry Jones is doing something that we're not seeing the genius behind it?

[Tomer Cohen]

I think Jerry Jones is the prime example of how certain skills that allowed you to make the money, that enabled you to purchase an NFL team are not transferable to how to be as successful as you can be when you own the NFL team. This is a guy who has done great business deals and he has capitalized on his leverage and he knows how to twist arms the right way and schmooze someone at the right moment to get them to agree to a deal that maybe isn't in their best interest, but it's definitely in his best interest and his oil leases and all of his other billions that have come from that world. It doesn't work here. They drag their feet with all of these key players. They have paid the wrong guys at times. They have failed to pay the right guys. They wait too long. They have gotten themselves painted into a corner with Dak Prescott twice that. The Michael Parsons contract. If you really want to do it, you could do it in an hour. Max Crosby and the Raiders did a new deal literally in two or three hours. And you don't need to have a ticking clock like Jerry wants to wait for a clock that is ticking toward midnight to do his deals. The problem is you get a player who stays away from the off season program, stays away from training camp, isn't there until right before the start of the season, and then all of a sudden he's not the same guy. It's a bad way of doing business. They've burned themselves multiple times in the past. They were. They're stubborn about it and they're dragging their feet on Michael Parsons. And now Dan, he's trying to negotiate directly with Parsons and cut out his agent, which is a CBA viol, and he's open about it. It's ludicrous. And it's a bad way of doing business. If you're a Cowboys fan, any Cowboys fans listening, you should demand better from the guy who is the steward of your favorite team. Because this is one of the reasons why it's been 30 years since they've played in the NFC championship.

[Mark Sanchez]

Yeah, it's too late for that. It's when his son takes over that you asked for something better.

[Tomer Cohen]

I don't think it's going to get any better. He's learned from Jerry and he's not taking the wheel from Jerry and doing things differently. I mean, look, let's face it, and I want to be respectful of the situation, but there is a point where Jerry is no longer going to have his fastball. That's when Stephen's got to step up. And we've maybe seen some evidence the past few years to say, hey, Stephen, it's time for you to take over and get things done a different way.

[Mark Sanchez]

Thank you, Mike.

[Tomer Cohen]

Thank you, Dan.

[Mark Sanchez]

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[Julie Swerbinks]

What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.

[Nate Thompson]

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

[Julie Swerbinks]

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

[Nate Thompson]

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

[Julie Swerbinks]

Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

[Nate Thompson]

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

[Julie Swerbinks]

Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tomer Cohen]

I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer. If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune into my podcast, Building One. I speak with some of the best product builders out there.

[Dan Roth]

I've always been inspired by frustration.

[Tomer Cohen]

It came back to my own personal so we had to go out to farmers and convince them. Following that curiosity is a superpower.

[Nate Thompson]

You have to be obsessed with the human condition.

[Tomer Cohen]

Listen to Building One on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Roth]

Ever wonder what it would be like to be mentored by today's top business leaders? My podcast this Is Working can help with that. Here's some advice from Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, on standing out for from the leadership crowd, develop your eq.

[Jamie Dimon]

A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is Do you trust me? Do I communicate well, Develop the team, develop the people, create a system of trust. And it works over time.

[Dan Roth]

I'm Dan Roth, LinkedIn's editor in chief. On my podcast this is Working Leaders Share Strategies for Success. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tim Harford]

The legendary escapologist Harry Houdini was obsessed with the afterlife.

[Tomer Cohen]

I see a little boy. He is in a happy place.

[Tim Harford]

Join me, Tim Harford, for a Cautionary Tales trilogy on the world's most famous magician and his campaign to ban mediums, a mission that would cost him friends and leave him fearing for his life.

[Harry Houdini]

They're going to kill me.

[Tim Harford]

Listen to Cautionary tales on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.