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Dan Patrick
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm trying to hold off on Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones, although it's getting a little more interesting. Jane Slater did a really good job NFL Network Cowboys reporter talking to Jerry Jones. And we were learning about a handshake deal that he had with Micah Parsons. There's one problem with this. And Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, he pointed this out a couple of days ago. Owners and players aren't supposed to negotiate contracts. You are supposed to go through an agent who is certified by the NFL Players Association. Well, Jerry's been doing this for a long, long time and nobody called him on it. But now he's saying at a handshake agreement with Micah Parsons and then all of a sudden he doesn't have a handshake agreement. Here is Jane Slater talking to Jerry Jones about how he does business.
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Ryan Seacrest
So how would you describe a deal getting, so to speak, done and then walked away from?
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Unknown
I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake, took about 30 and I gave the number, shook hands. The details we worked out later. As a matter of fact, one of the details involved a lot of money and we had to flip a coin over that. But the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell it to me for that range. That's done. And those are done with eye contact and handshake. So is there just so you understand why I the way that I communicate with people that I negotiate with. So but let's leave it at that. There is no, no question that in the case of a player contract, you have to have it in writing. All parties. Do we have a contract in writing yet? We're still talking about renegotiating it. So so much for that.
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Okay, Once again, you have to go through an agent. I don't know what happened, you know, 40 years ago when he bought the Cowboys. When, I don't know. Did you write it down on a napkin? I don't know here's our number, and there's your number. And that's not an official deal. Just so you know, a handshake agreement is not going to hold up. Maybe Micah Parsons said, and I've been in negotiations before where you get somebody who kind of gives you the vagaries. You know, it's kind of gray area, like, yeah, you know, how about. Yeah, let me think about it. I'll get back to you. That doesn't mean now I can shake your hand when I leave. That doesn't mean I'm shaking your hand and agreeing to you. It's. Let me. Let me talk to people. I mean, that's why you have an agent. Jerry doesn't like dealing with agents. And then he didn't know Micah Parsons agent's name or acted like he didn't a couple of weeks ago. Okay, he does know who he is because he's negotiated a contract with him with another member of the Dallas Cowboys. But Jerry, handshake agreement, and Micah Parsons is kind of reneging on that deal that you agreed to. I'd like to hear Micah Parsons portion of this, but, you know, to Micah Parsons credit, he hasn't said much. He's just like, hey, I'm trying to get this done, and we're not going to get this done. Now you can trade me. That's really all we've heard from him. I don't know what the deal is. I know where they're probably going to land, and it's probably going to be $42 million a year. And is he going to be available week one? Jerry didn't think so. And he said, yeah, this is urgent. Okay, but Jane Slater asking him about doing his business and how he does this business. Jerry did talk about Micah's contract saga.
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Dan Patrick
When does it become urgent? I mean, clearly you want him on the field against Philadelphia. When does it become urgent? We need to get something resolved one way or another that he's on the.
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Unknown
Field against Philadelphia again.
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Your definition of urgent is not necessarily. I don't get believe you gave a definition. Okay, so I stay urgent.
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Okay. Any confidence that he will be on.
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The field against Philadelphia again? No, absolutely not. That has to. A big part of that is his decision. How would I know that? I'm just saying. No, but I'm urgent.
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Okay. I'm not sure he understood the question. Do you think he's going to be there week one and then he said no? I don't know if he thought, hey, is there any chance that he. He won't be There. And I thought that's where Jerry was answering. No, but trying to sort this out. I still think a deal gets done. I don't think you're trading him. I haven't heard anybody say anything about anybody offering anything from Micah Par. Now if you have that. Okay, now we can have a discussion. It's like Trey Hendrickson with the Bengals or Terry McLaurin. Now, I've seen websites where they'll go potential landing spots. Four. Well, Terry McLaurin. I've seen six teams, but that would. Just because they need a wide receiver. I don't know if they've offered anything. Micah Parsons. I haven't heard anything. Proposed trades. What if the Bears give two first round picks and a fourth round pick? There's no reporting attached to this. And the same with Trey Hendrickson. Has anybody made an offer to the Bengals? Because it doesn't sound like anybody has. Now, if somebody does now, we can have a conversation that this is real, that he could possibly go, yes, Eden, I love that. Yeah, like, we spend a lot of time talking about that. Jerry Jones is a brilliant businessman. He's brilliant. He's a genius. So great at business, obviously. He's very successful at business. Right. But he's a. He's a genius businessman like Jay. How about. How'd you get through the finer points of getting the Cowboys? We shook hands and flipped a coin. That's. Wow.
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I had no idea that that's what.
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Goes into being such a genius. We flipped a coin. I can do both of those. I can shake your hand and I can flip a coin. Really? That's how you did it? Don't think I could get the Cowboys with that strategy.
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Paulie
Yes, Paulie, I somewhat respect what Jerry Jones is saying that, you know, a handshake deal can start a deal. And if that handshake deal, though, was last March, things have changed. Things have changed a lot with the defensive end position. That handshake is no longer apartment With Parsons.
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Unknown
Yeah, Parsons.
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Paulie
No, I'm saying not with Parsons, but with all the other players who have signed. It changed the entire market. So that handshake deal does not hold up when it gives to the agent. Four months.
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Unknown
But he should have signed him to the contract back in March.
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Jason McIntyre
Exactly.
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Unknown
If you do that now, you're binded. You're bound by that. Then. Then it's different if I shake your hand and say, hey, you know what? We'll get back. Like, you shook hands and you agreed in principle to something. I got to get the paperwork done then. Because I know I got these other defensive players who are going to be signing for more money right away. It's urgent. He said he's urgent. Why didn't you get the paperwork done? Yeah, see, well, this is why he doesn't like agents, because it's.
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Jason McIntyre
It's possible.
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Unknown
Michael Parsons was like, man, that's a good deal. Let's sign. And the agent said, what's the rush? Why don't we just let the season play out? What's the rush? A general manager wouldn't allow this to happen. A GM would have said, we'll drop the papers. Right. We're ready to go. We'll drop the papers. Yes. Right. Nobody likes middlemen, but, man, do they come in handy sometimes with things like this. But you're required to deal with the agent. You're required, so you can't say, hey, we're kind of loose when it comes to negotiating a contract, but if I decide that I'm going to cut you, then, you know, do I have to live up to the contract that we signed or just a handshake agreement? Like, you can't pick and choose, but the NFL's allowed Jerry to do this for decades now. He's the most powerful man in the NFL. But a handshake agreement. I'd have to know more about this from Micah Parsons perspective. But you know that it's just the further along this goes, it just becomes like this abyss. You go in and you're like, I don't know if I'll get out anytime soon. And that's why I always have trepidation when it comes to discussing this. Am I humored by Jerry Jones? Sometimes, yes, I am, but not in a good way. It just. He should speak less. He should have his son speak, maybe more. But, you know, when you give us these colloquialisms and, you know, handshake, and that's the way we used to do it. And that's the good old days. And that's. That's not the good old days. Now, Micah Parsons has an agent deal with the agent. That's when you get something that's official. That's when you're going to get something on paper that's going to be something where you sign. That's when you have something that is binding. Yes, Todd, I can appreciate what Jerry's.
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Drew Brees
Saying as far as eye contact and, you know, talking directly to one another, but why does it have to be instead of an agent being present? Why can't you have both things? We're going to talk, and we're going to look at each other. We're going to be in the same room. But I also want to have my attorney. I got to protect myself. My agent knows legal things and terms that I'm not familiar with. That's why he pays him part of his contract.
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Unknown
Jerry loves to do this. Speaking to a former cowboy yesterday. He loves to be there and just talk to you, that's all. It's just you and me. We'll just talk and he can convince you to maybe take something that you shouldn't take or less than you should take, or we'll. We're going to take. Now, the language that was given to me yesterday by former cowboys like Jerry will say, you know, we'll. We'll worry about that later. You can't do that, not with something like this. You're talking $200 million with Micah Parsons, probably. It can't be. We'll take care of that a little later, whenever we need to. Don't worry about that. No, no, no. We got to worry about all those things. That's part of the problem with the Cowboys is attention to detail. Maybe that's why you haven't been back to the Super bowl in 30 years. Preseason football ramps up. Coming up tomorrow, Shador Sanders gets the start for the Cleveland Browns. I think he's the only quarterback who's healthy right now. He gets the start. That'll be fun. ESPN is acquiring NFL Network. Also Red Zone. I go back eight years ago, the great writer Jim Miller, who wrote the ESPN book, reported that ESPN was trying to reestablish a positive relationship with the NFL. This is eight years ago. The network was gauging whether to abandon the NFL. They were having a hard time being a business partner, according to Jim Miller. Now they're all in. Everybody's all in on this. And I know, you know, the journalist in me talks about or would talk about or would point out the conflict of interest, but ESPN can't be any further in bed with the NFL when it comes to their coverage. Are they going to look the other way with whatever negative story that comes up? They've probably already done that. I mean, go back to when I was there on ESPN Radio and we were talking about Playmakers, which was a fictional show, and it was about the NFL. The NFL called up and talked to my boss and said, hey, take it off your network, and they did. I don't know if anybody's going to hold the NFL their feet to the fire. I mean, I'd like, I. I hope that there's people. Mike Florio is one of the few people who will challenge the NFL. And everybody's in bed with the NFL. All networks have partnerships here. As far as a conflict of interest, I think that's long gone. I think there's certain things that you're just not going to cover. I don't know how deep the ESPN went in on the mess of the NFL Players Association. I know Florio did, a couple of people did, but I don't know if you know, that's we're in the content business. That's what Jimmy Potaro who runs espn, they're in the content business. Outside the lines, Gone with Bob Lee, Jeremy Shap. I mean you have a couple of investigative reporters like e60 is a monthly magazine type feature. I'm talking about day to day looking at stories, giving you both sides of the stories. And maybe you don't care about it, you know, maybe, you know, being a dinosaur. I do because the NFL should be held accountable for certain things. But the NFL is, I'm sure, does not want, hey, we own part of you. 10%. Well, the NFL has probably owned a lot of ESPN for a long period of time. It's just not official, that's all. But, you know, good for, you know, the mothership, getting that partnership. They've, they've done a good job in establishing, I think they get three more games. They're, you know, they want to get a Super bowl red zone. You're going to get that with Scott Hansen. So I, you know, a lot of moving parts there. It's a big deal and it's been in the works for. It was on again, off again, now, on again for years. They've talked about this because the owners were worried about NFL Network and Now, now it's ESPN's problem. But there's a lot of great people over there. They just gutted the place. That was the disappointing part of it. A lot of, a lot of great football people, they streamlined it. So then they were going to sell it and I said, well, ESPN is going to buy it now ESPN and their reporters and I don't know how you cross pollinate but that, that happened and it's a big, big, big deal for certainly ESPN and NFL Network. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.
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I'm already seeing articles about oh, are the Browns setting Shador Sanders up to fail as he opens up his NFL career on Friday night against Carolina? And I was trying to understand the logic behind this because he hasn't been taking reps as the first string quarterback. He's been with second and third teamers. Well now he's going to be there with the first teamers against Carolina. I don't know how that sets him up to fail now you're with more talented players, players that you might have on your team when you're the starting quarterback at some point during the NFL season. But we're already, you know, it's already shifting towards what happens if, you know, he doesn't do well in the first game. I think they're making him. Not making him. They're having him start because everybody else is injured. I don't know if that's setting him up for failure. You need somebody to play quarterback. I don't think Teddy Bridgewater is ready to play. It's a great opportunity for Shador Sanders. I hope he does well and you get to play with the first team and maybe take some first team reps today and get ready for Friday night's game against Carolina. But I don't think he's being set up to fail. Not giving him a chance to play would be setting him up to fail. If he can play, hopefully he'll showcase that. Coming up on Friday night, we'll explore some of the other football matchups and battles going on in preseason. Our good buddy Ross tucker will stop by 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. By the way, we did talk about the smelling salt. I Is it smelling salt gate is that we elect to throw gate. We attach that to a lot of different things when there's a controversy. The NFL is saying you can't use smelling salts on the sidelines. You can bring your own. But they want to take away the liability, I believe, of smelling salts, and they're worried about what it does. If you've had a concussion and somebody gives you a smelling salt and it might wake you up to be able to go back out there and play. But it's. It's. Bring your own smelling salts to the sidelines. Yes, Todd.
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Drew Brees
It didn't pass the smell test for the NFL.
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Unknown
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Paulie
I. I didn't realize how many players used them. Over the past 24 hours, it's become a story. So now every local reporter is asking players about it, like different players. There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that says, I use them before every single defensive drive. They're commonplace. You just don't catch them on TV that much. But they're very commonplace.
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Unknown
Weightlifters use these before a big lift. They'll take a hit, and then all of a sudden it's like. And then you go, but I was wondering about this. That, you know, are they readily available that you can get smelling salts where? I'm not sure I guess you. You can order them, but are they worried about kids using them as it? Is it going to trickle down to, you know, Pop Warner? I'm not sure, but it feels like the NFL is saying, we want to remove any liability here. If you want to take it, you bring your own. Yes, Seaton. Is this something we should be incorporating into the morning routine around here? I told Dylan to see if he could order some. Just. I don't know if you guys have ever experienced smelling salt. Yes, that's gonna be the feeling. That's gonna be the. The look the sound of is going to. You know, there's that Bose speaker commercial where the speakers are on and the guy's hair is blown back and his face is blown back and sort of the feeling you get when you do spelling salts. I remember doing them in high school, playing football for my limited experience of freshman football in high school for the Mason Comets. But you would take a hit of that and it's like, yes, Paulie, A.
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Paulie
Lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this. The FDA did a report just about a year ago that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and nose irritation, and long term effects on your breathing, seizures, migraine, etc. Etc. And so the NFL just got this report last year right before the season. Maybe that's what caused the trickle down effect.
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Unknown
Okay. Yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere, but having used it a couple of times, I didn't like it. But it wasn't for a concussion. I think it was just getting ready for contact with an Oklahoma drill that we were going to do playing high school football.
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Drew Brees
Oklahoma drill.
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Unknown
Yeah, I know. I love the Oklahoma drill where you're lying on your back and then the other guy's lying on your back and they go. And then you jump up and then you run into each other. They called it the Oklahoma drill. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That was the good old days. That's what. That's. That's the way we used to do it. Yes, Paul.
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Paulie
So when you play grade school football and you stink like I did, you'd be in line for the Oklahoma drill, and you look across, and if you saw Richie Alcott, number 51, you went back in line a couple spots because you did not want to get cooked by Richie.
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Unknown
You didn't want somebody wearing Dick Butkus's number, number 51. All right, we'll get to poll question today. I do want to mention there was a topic yesterday. We spent a lot of time, maybe too much time. It talked about the NFL was buying 10% of ESPN. There's a merger between NFL Network and ESPN. And the point that I made and want to continue to make, there is a conflict of interest. I think we can all agree to that. Now, if you don't care about it, and maybe you don't, you know, but for me, I worry about that. But you know, this is the old school in me that, you know, with ESPN and having been there 18 years and I mentioned that, you know, are they going to have journalism, Are they going to cover the NFL? And, and I didn't mention any names, but there was one person at the mothership, Don Van Natta, who is a senior writer who's been on the show. I think last time he was on five years ago to talk about a deep dive he did on the decision with LeBron James. And he's been on the show a couple of times. He's a very good journalist. He took it personally when I was saying I don't know if they did a deep dive on the NFL Players association message. And, and once again, this is live radio and I'm saying I don't know. So I'm not making a declarative statement. I'm just saying I don't know. Well, Don Van Natta took it personally that I don't go to espn.com and read his articles. I don't go to espn.com okay? I don't. If there's an article, the Danets will bring it to my attention. Hey, this is. I did it out of principle when I left espn. Like I'm, I'm gonna put ESPN in my rear view mirror and I really, it's not part of my morning or routine of going there. So I missed that. Don was doing an expose on the NFL Players association and by all accounts did a great job. Now, I did know that Mike Florio and Pablo Torre were doing things and they added to the story, collusion story. They sent the stories to us. We had them on. We had JC Treader on who was second in command at the nflpa. It's not a story that, you know, we were staying away from, but Don Van Venata said that he was embarrassed for me because I didn't know that he is the one who had the story initially. I don't know if they promoted you correctly, Don, to be honest with you, I don't know if you were on First Take. I don't know if you're on NFL Live. I don't Know if you're on get up, I know that Pablo Torre and Mike Flor, Mike Florio were there front and center promoting this and got a lot of attention here. So I apologize for that, that I didn't know that you were the person, the originator of this story there to say you're embarrassed for me because I didn't see the article. I said that out loud. I'm. I don't know if you guys did a deep dive and I wasn't talking about you. You made it personal about me and, you know, about being a journalist. I said at the point I didn't know. And also, you know, when you, when you start, you started out that way, you miss what the real point was. Is, is, is there a conflict of interest? Like, that's the discussion here. Not. I missed that you did something on the. And by the way, it's not on the NFL. Your expose was on the NFL Players Association. There's a big difference in that. So we've reached out to Don if he wants to join us. Great. You may not even care about this, but when you say you're embarrassed for me and then, you know, you want to show me your resume and I'll show you mine, and, you know, we could have a. We can have a private conversation here, but if you call me out, you're embarrassed. Imagine if you did this, you did your article live. Because that's what I do every day. I write columns every single day for three hours. And sometimes you make mistakes. And, you know, by saying that, there's not an investigative arm inside ESPN that's on me. I made a mistake. I know where your office is. And you know, it's been scaled down greatly. I hope you continue to fight the good fight, Don. I hope you and your staff fight the good fight. But now is when you're judged. From here on out is when you're judged covering the NFL, not what you did before. It'd be like me saying, I'm not any good at this, but, man, was I good at SportsCenter. No one cares. It's about today and tomorrow and the next day. Covering the NFL Player association is a whole lot different than covering the NFL. And you have to admit, which you didn't, it's a conflict of interest if the perception is a conflict of interest. And that was the point that I was trying to make there. I wish you well. But if you want to have a conversation on the show or privately, I'd love to. I have nothing against you. You're the one who made it personal. All right. And thank you all the people on social media who stood up for me and sent me the article and I got way too many articles sent to me. Very happy. But I hope to restore my journalistic credentials here. This entire show. I got three hours to do it and perhaps I'll do that. But there's a reason why the commissioner of the NFL has not been on this show for over a decade. Because I ask good questions. I ask the right questions. I ask questions that can be uncomfortable. We take pride in what we do and how we do it. And because I offhandedly said I'm wondering because I didn't read your expose, I'll re, I'm going to renew my ESPN.com subscription. Paul.
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Paulie
1999 a year special.
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Unknown
Is that what it is?
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Paulie
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Paulie
Former employee, right?
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Unknown
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Unknown
He's Drew Brees, future hall of Famer, Super Bowl MVP winner. And joining us on behalf of Jimmy Johns and Drew Brees, number nine. Oh, look at all the posters back there. They're all pictures of you.
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Dan Patrick
Well, since, since you, since I'm not behind you, you know, amongst some of the, the all time broadcasting greats, I see Bob Costas, I see Al Michaels, you know, I figured I had to kind of create my own setup back here.
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Unknown
Let's go back to your broadcasting career. Looking back on it. No, but I'm, I know you want to do this and you're a competitor and you want to be great. What, what is it that maybe you missed understanding or doing the first go round of your broadcasting career?
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Dan Patrick
Well, here's where I kind of chuckled, Dan, because I, I, I get the, the perception, I get the feeling that the perception is that somehow, you know, I failed at being a broadcaster. I got two opportunities to broadcast NFL games and they were like eight weeks apart. I did one game in New Orleans for Thanksgiving and I did one playoff game otherwise. I did, I broadcasted Notre Dame football. But really when I took that job with NBC, the idea was to work with some of the best people in the business. The Mike Tirico, Tony Dungy, Rob Highland, like Fred Gudelli, all the guys that are legendary guys in that organization. And man, I'm so thankful that I had that opportunity. But at the same time, what, what I really did for the most part was sit behind a desk and do Sunday night football. The Sunday night football, Football night in America. And then, you know, a bunch of stuff in stadium at the desk and then the super bowl broadcast, but again at the desk. So at the end of the day. Like, I. I chuckle because even as I look at the landscape right now, man, I have so much respect for a lot of guys in the booth right now, but I'd step in the booth right now and be a top three guy, like, without question. And then you give me a few years, and I could be the best. So, look, I love the game. I love talking about the game. I feel like I have an insight to the game that is pretty unique, you know, given my playing experience. I see the game a totally different way. I process it a different way. And so even as I watch games now, then I just kind of listen to, you know, the commentary and this and that and what I'm seeing. I just feel like there's so much more to add. And so, look, at the end of day, I'm going to wait for the right opportunity, and, you know, hopefully it comes along. And if it doesn't, that's okay, too, because I'm coaching ball and I'm involved in the game in so many other ways. But I do feel like I have a ton of value to add in the booth. And so I'm appreciative of Netflix giving me the opportunity to broadcast on Christmas Day. And I'm not sure exactly which game that's going to be. There's two on the slate, but that'll be a lot of fun.
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Unknown
Yeah, but it'd be like asking you to start a game maybe in the preseason and start a game, you know, late in a season and say you weren't consistent. It's. You need. You need repetition in this. You got to be there weekend and week out.
- [41:46]
Dan Patrick
Yeah, absolutely. You know, and so that. It's. It's. I think the unfortunate part about just that year was that the thing I wanted to do most was broadcast NFL games. The thing I had the opportunity to do the least was broadcast NFL games. Now, I had a chance to do everything right. I was in studio. I was at the stadium, did the super bowl pregame. I broadcast a little college, I broadcasted a little NFL. So I got exposure to everything, and, man, I retained it all, like, every bit of coaching from all those guys. I'm very appreciative of that. But, you know, when. When I. When I departed, I departed because I wanted to. I wanted to spend more time with my kids on the weekends coaching ball. And unfortunately, that was. The schedule didn't work out, having to fly to Connecticut, you know, every. Every week, and also doing the Notre Dame games. So it was my decision to step away from NBC it was not theirs. They wanted me back. And again, I felt like I. I had a great relationship with them during that time. Unfortunately, I think it got reported a little bit differently, and now somehow that's become the narrative. It could not be further from the truth. You can go talk to Pete Bavacqua, who is the head of NBC Sports. You can go talk to Sam Flood. You can go talk to any of those guys. Mike Tirico, Rob Hyland. Man, I had a great relationship with those guys, and they wanted me back. Unfortunately, the schedule just didn't work, given the fact that I wasn't really able to do what I wanted to do, which is broadcast NFL games.
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Unknown
Is there a statue of you in New Orleans?
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Dan Patrick
No, there's not.
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Unknown
Would you like to have a statue of you in New Orleans?
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Dan Patrick
I don't need a statue. You know what? There's a statue of Steve Gleason, and that's. That's one of my favorites.
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Unknown
Well, I. And I'm being serious. I know you're being modest here, but when you think about an athlete and what he meant to a city, I don't know if there's another athlete who meant more to a city than you did or do to New Orleans.
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Dan Patrick
Look, I think all of us, if you go back to, you know, that time, 2006, Sean Payton comes in as the head coach. I mean, literally, his first free agent signing was Scott Fujita, right, who was a mainstay on our defense, who was one of my good, good friends, like. And then just all the little pieces that came together in 06, 07, 08, which culminated to our Super bowl victory in 09, and then really just an incredible run throughout our 15 years there, there were so many people that were part of that. So it's not. I mean, even as you would sit here and say, hey, maybe Sean Payton and I get a lot of the credit, at the end of the day, I think we. We just take pride in the fact that we had a chance to be a part of something really, really special, really unique, probably unprecedented from the perspective of what happened to this city where the team was, as far as just the organization and just the. The perception that people had of. Of the Saints, and then all of a sudden, being able to come together and create what was, you know, one of the. One of the greatest runs, I think, in certainly NFL history, professional sports history. And I think the reputation now of what a team means to a city and really the standard of what a team can mean to a city, I feel like the New Orleans Saints represent that as well as anyone.
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Unknown
And I would have the statue of you to be the actual size to scale. I would have it being six feet. So people can say, wow, he did it at that height. I'm his height, or I'm taller than him. I don't want it to be seven feet tall. I want it to be six feet. Maybe you think you're six one, but maybe it's six feet. Can you be too short to play quarterback in the NFL?
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Dan Patrick
No. Here's the thing. If you go back to that, you need the perspective of having the lineman in front, you know, so it's like, it's like one of those. It's like one of those statues where you've got like, you know, it's like the cavalry, you know, and you got the big horses in front, you know, like that's what you need for the perspective.
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Unknown
So you're going to be hidden behind your offense like the 6 foot 6.
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Dan Patrick
Light in front of you. I can't see through these guys. No, look, I don't think you can be too short. Look, there's that, there's that prototype size that maybe we all have in our mind for each position. In fact, I'm sure there's a lot of scouts that made a great living, you know, through the years with just having that, that mold or that model for each position. I know that Sean Payton had a little bit of that because he got it from Parcells. Like, I would, I would. I was in these discussions all the time as to what certain positions were supposed to look like. Apparently the only one that would, that could have quite a bit of variation was the running back position. He's like, they parcels. You say they all. They come in all shapes and sizes. They just need to have a big lower half, right? Otherwise they're going to constantly be in the shop, so to speak. They're going to be injured. So, I mean, like, the. Darren sprols is right, 5 foot 7, you know, 180 pounds, but was one of the most dynamic players in the history in the NFL, I think, from a quarterback perspective. Keep in mind, too, not only was I sure, but I came in the league behind a guy named Doug Flutie, who in my opinion is one of the greatest quarterbacks in all of professional football. And obviously he played every, every level of it, from the USFL to the CFL to the NFL. But he was doing things that were ahead of his time, and I don't think he gets the appreciation for it. He was Patrick Mahomes Before Patrick Mahomes. Everything you see Mahomes do, I saw Flutie do every day in practice. From the no look throws to the back shoulder throws to just like manipulating defenders with his eyes, buying time. Like, he just had such an incredible feel for the game. And a lot of the things he did, he did out of survival. Right. Like you think about it, I think some of the greatest innovations in history is because, hey, there was a problem that needed to be solved or you had a limitation that you had to overcome in some way with some other sort of talent. And so, like, truly, he did things out of survival. Like, he would have been able to play the position if he wasn't able to do these things. But I had a front row seat to this for, for four years with the San Diego Chargers and some as his backup, and then in other cases, he is my backup. But nonetheless, he was an incredible mentor for me and I learned so much from him. And so therefore, I would say he played the game at five, nine and a half or whatever Doug was. I don't think that's. I don't think that's a limitation.
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Unknown
Talking to Drew Brees, the future hall of Famer, super bowl mvp, what are you doing with Jimmy John's?
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Dan Patrick
So, well, first off, so I've been a fan of Jimmy John since 1997, my freshman year at Purdue University. I showed up to Wiley hall my freshman year and you're staying up late studying, right, Dan? And three o' clock in the morning, you're starving and the only place open is Jimmy John's. So you dial up Jimmy John's and literally 15 minutes later, you got some dude rolling up on a bike to hand you a Jimmy John's sandwich. It's like the greatest bite of fruit in the world. So literally, that was like what I lived on three days a week in, in college. So I've had a relationship with Jimmy John's for a long time. I've been a Jimmy John's franchisee here in New Orleans. We built out this market about 15 years ago. So I've always loved the brand and it's been a great partnership, but they're supporting our foundation. So actually, for the entire month of August, all the way to August 31st, you can walk into a Jimmy John's and just order my favorite sandwich and they named it after me this month. So you just say, I want the breeze number nine. And basically that's going to be ham, Capicola, salami. It's the Italian nightclub. All those lettuce Tomato, onions, you get the oil and vinegar, salt, pepper, the basil, oregano mix, but it's no cheese. Add hot peppers. That's the little, you know, the little extra that we throw in this to make it the breeze number nine. And not just the number nine. So with, and all the proceeds are going to the Breeze Dream foundation and boys and girls clubs around the country. So appreciate that. With Jimmy Johns.
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Unknown
How do you know what to look for or should we know what to look for with rookie quarterbacks in preseason?
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Dan Patrick
Well, first thing I say is experience. Just, just take, obviously a ton of QBs have been drafted here over the last three years, you know, in the first round, so, or four years. So first and foremost, how many games, how many high level starts do they have in college? And I think that makes a huge difference. I think if you just start looking at, hey, the guys that had 40, 50, even six bone mix, 61 starts in college, those guys come into the league a lot more well prepared than the guys who, man, there's a ton of talent, a ton of upside, a ton of potential. Started 15 games, started 17 games. There's just, you just need, I think 40 to 50 high level starts before you really kind of find that, that, that comfort level. And so if you do take a guy like that, then it's going to take two or three years. Obviously the, the team that you're a part of, the system that you're in, that has, that has, that plays a big role in it. But I think first and foremost you have to look at experience and then how are you building the system around him? What type of, what type of Runway does he have in order to, to grow and develop? You know, I think you look at the guys probably who had the most success last year, Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, right? So those two examples, Jane Daniels, bunch of starts at Arizona State, comes to lsu, bunch of high level starts there. He comes in the league, I think very well prepared. Boneck, 61, starts right between Auburn and Oregon, comes in fairly well prepared. So I think it's a big, that's a big factor.
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Unknown
I'm wondering how we're going to look at quarterbacks in the future because Lamar Jackson could end up with 10,000 rushing yards, which is unheard of. I mean, for a running back, 10,000 yards is a great career. Josh Allen, he could end up with 8,000 yards rushing. You look at the number of touchdowns, Josh Allen's going to end up with more rushing touchdowns than any other quarterback in history. He'll move past Cam Newton. So I don't know how we. Everybody's throwing for a lot of yards. But now you have this other category in here. How will we differentiate or assess quarterbacks? You know, bigger picture, hall of Fame wise, when you're adding something that we really haven't seen, the. Michael Vick gave us this. Steve Young a little bit Cam Newton gave us. Now it feels like, as Steve Young told me many times, there's yards to get. Go get them. If you're a quarterback.
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Dan Patrick
Look, it's a. It's a great point. It's a great point because I think when you start talking about QBs in history and the comparisons, you immediately go to the passing statistics. And obviously in today's game, it's so much more than that. At the end of the day, what's your job? Your job is to go put your team in the end zone. And so however you can do that, it doesn't matter whether it's through the air or on the ground. I think that Steve Young quote is a great one. There's yards to get, you know, go get them. There's first downs to get. Go get them. So however you can do that. That's why the whole QB rating thing is always so wonky, right? Because it's like, well, how are we really evaluating the efficiency or the productivity of a quarterback when you have all these different layers to it? I mean, you should have somebody sitting there going, man, he threw the ball away. That was actually an incredible decision. That shouldn't work against him on the QB rating. Right? So like, you, you have all these factors and at the end of the day, did you. Did you possess the ball? Did you get first downs and push team in the end zone? Did you score points?
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Unknown
Did.
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Dan Patrick
Was that complementary to your defense? Did that get you the win? I mean, that's, that's. That's truly how you should be evaluated.
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Unknown
Well, also, when you don't take a sack, I mean, that's like, there's little things. I agree. Qbr. To me, I, I don't like it. I want to know if you won the game. It's the most important thing. Yeah, but they don't have a category. Yeah, yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Look, I think you actually brought up a good point. I think one of the greatest traits of a quarterback that is never discussed, especially in the evaluation of it, is their ability to avoid sacks and avoid negative plays. That, that when you just look, start looking at the probabilities and the percentages of success on, you know, third and six versus third and 10. And just like Your ability to avoid negative plays and a lot of times too, that could just be, hey, I have a decision when I walk up the line of scrimmage to run the ball right, run the ball left, run it inside or run it outside. And the decision that you make in large part could be the difference between a two or three yard gain or a one yard loss. And so there's so many of these decisions that are made within the framework of a game where If I'm evaluating QBs and I'm sitting there watching the tape, I want to know what type of decision maker they are. Because if they are making more good decisions, then good results will follow. There's a lot of things that we can fix fundamentally and whatever, hey, you missed a throw but you threw it to the right place and you're on time, that's fine, we can fix that, right? But if you have a great decision making process and you're consistently making good decisions and you're avoiding sacks and you're putting yourself in favorable positions, meaning high probability for success positions, then you're going to win a ton of games. And I think when you really start to break it down, that's what you're looking for.
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Unknown
Great to catch up with you again. Hope the family's well and good luck with Jimmy Johns and boys and Girls clubs of America.
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Dan Patrick
Thank you. Dp.
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Unknown
That's future hall of famer there. Drew Brees. His longest run, 23 yards. He ran for 700 yards in his career. That's. That's Lamar. That's a down year for Lamar. Running buddy wasn't paid. Right. But you weren't paid to run. You weren't paid to run. You. You could have been elusive, right?
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Dan Patrick
Hey, move the chains. Get your team.
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Unknown
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
I'd much rather throw it to the guys.
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Unknown
Could you outrun Peyton Manning?
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Dan Patrick
Absolutely. Smoke him. Crush him.
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Unknown
Could you outrun Tom Brady?
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Dan Patrick
Legs, he's all torso.
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Unknown
Brady. Yeah.
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Dan Patrick
Brady would be at the 25 yard line when I crossed the 40.
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Unknown
Wow. How would you do against Lamar Jackson?
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Dan Patrick
No, he would be at the 40.
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Unknown
You're still competitive. Thank you, buddy.
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