The Best of The Week on The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Best of The Week on The Dan Patrick Show

Overview

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick engages in a compelling conversation with legendary Hall of Famer Johnny Bench. The primary focus revolves around the contentious topic of Pete Rose's potential induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, exploring the complexities of his legacy, the Hall of Fame voting process, and the broader implications for the sport.

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Pete Rose's Hall of Fame Induction

Dan Patrick initiates the discussion by addressing the recent actions of the baseball commissioner concerning Pete Rose's Hall of Fame status. He asks Johnny Bench whether he agrees with the commissioner's decisions.

Johnny Bench responds affirmatively, emphasizing the extensive efforts the commissioner has made to navigate the intricate issues surrounding Rose's candidacy:

“I think he's done more work than you can imagine to try to figure this out.” [03:46]

Bench acknowledges the challenges posed by Rose’s alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) and his infamous betting scandal. He highlights the difficulty in reconciling Rose's statistical achievements with the ethical breaches that have tarnished his reputation.

The Voting Process and Fairness

The conversation delves into the nuances of the Hall of Fame voting process. Johnny Bench expresses his belief that Pete Rose deserves a fair consideration:

“I think he always believed that had he been on the ballot that he would have been voted into the hall of Fame.” [06:51]

He advocates for Rose's inclusion based on his extraordinary contributions to baseball, mentioning his versatility and impact:

“He ends up being an All Star at five different positions. Then he's, you know, he wins the MVP of the World Series.” [06:51]

Bench argues that the Hall of Fame should not only celebrate statistical excellence but also honor Rose's relentless dedication and passion for the game.

Betting Controversy and Its Implications

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on Pete Rose's betting activities. Dan Patrick shares personal anecdotes about Rose and addresses questions regarding whether Rose bet on baseball games as a player.

Despite the allegations, Johnny Bench maintains that there is no concrete evidence of Rose betting as a player:

“I can't say for sure because I don't have any evidence of that.” [10:55]

However, they acknowledge Rose's admitted betting on the Reds to win games as a manager, which has been a pivotal factor in the ongoing debate about his eligibility.

Memorable Baseball Moments

Shifting gears, the conversation transitions to nostalgic baseball memories, with Johnny Bench recounting iconic moments from his career and others':

1. Frank Howard's Home Run at the All-Star Game:

   “Steve threw him a fastball, and it went right past Steve's head and went over the center field fence and bounced off the concrete.” [16:11]

2. Reggie Jackson's Monumental Home Run:

   “Reggie was the beauty. But golly. Oh, my gosh... We just stood there and looked at it.” [17:53]

Bench vividly describes the atmosphere and significance of these moments, illustrating the emotional and cultural impact they had on players and fans alike.

Closing Remarks and Reflections

As the episode nears its conclusion, Dan Patrick challenges the listeners to consider the ongoing process of Pete Rose's potential induction, cautioning against assuming outcomes:

“It's not a foregone conclusion Pete gets in or even gets on the ballot.” [08:45]

Johnny Bench reiterates his unwavering support for Rose, emphasizing the need to honor him appropriately within the Hall of Fame framework:

“I wish Luka the best. He's one of the best players in the world.” [32:35]

Both hosts reflect on the delicate balance between celebrating athletic prowess and upholding the integrity of the sport, leaving listeners with profound insights into the multifaceted legacy of Pete Rose.

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Notable Quotes

• Johnny Bench on Commissioner's Efforts:

  “I think he's done more work than you can imagine to try to figure this out.” [03:46]

• Johnny Bench on Pete Rose's Beliefs:

  “I think he always believed that had he been on the ballot that he would have been voted into the hall of Fame.” [06:51]

• Johnny Bench on Reggie Jackson's Home Run:

  “Reggie was the beauty... We just stood there and looked at it.” [17:53]

• Johnny Bench on Honoring Players:

  “I think he should be honored at the hall of Fame just with video.” [07:43]

• Dan Patrick on Voting Process:

  “It's going to be a process here. And people should.” [08:45]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers an in-depth exploration of Pete Rose's contentious standing with the Baseball Hall of Fame, enriched by Johnny Bench's esteemed perspective. The dialogue not only navigates the intricate layers of Rose's legacy but also celebrates the enduring spirit and memorable moments that define baseball's rich history. Listeners are left with a nuanced understanding of the delicate interplay between sportsmanship, ethical considerations, and the celebration of athletic excellence.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Spring and Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer. Johnny, great to see you again. Let me ask you the question. Do you agree with what the commissioner did yesterday?

[Johnny Bench]

I do. I just think. I think he's done more work than you can imagine to try to figure this out. I think it had to be agreed up one by the hall of Fame, though. I think that was a, a question mark that had to be done. Jane is the person that's basically, you know, wants the sanctification of the hall of Fame and that it hopefully all members of the hall of Fame, although we know there's been question marks about it, whether it be PEDs or whether it be past history or people that have been elected to the hall of Fame. But for the commissioner, I think he. I know personally that I've talked to him. I know there's others that have talked to him. I know that he's trying to get the, the temperature of what it was. I think the temperature was mixed. I think, I think like the voting is 61. I think the percentages were one way or the Other with some hall of Famers. Do you take a poll of the hall of Famers or you take a poll of the writers? Do you take a poll of just the Danettes? And I. I think you're going to wind. Well, I mean, there are. There are fans and they. They understand the, The. The. What has happened with Pete and with the Black Sox scandals. I mean, the one person. I mean, as you may. As you know, Ted Williams was a staunch supporter of Shoeless Joe Jackson. And they keep saying, well, there was no evidence against it, and he had three something or 400. So I guess the feel is. All I can say is it is a perfect time for this thing to come out, because right now, as we prepare for the day, I am not in Cincinnati, but they are honoring Pete at the stadium. There will be 42,000 people coming out and maybe more now that this announcement has been done. But for the Rose family, I'm extremely happy for them that. That it's all somewhat behind us.

[Dan Patrick]

Why wait until Pete dies?

[Johnny Bench]

Well, that's. I think that there were. There was some concern that it would. He wanted to get in the game of baseball as far as what has been talked about. He wanted to still be a manager or something like that. I think that created some problems, the fact that whether somebody would actually hire him at the. At this point or what position he would be in. And I think there was still. Okay, you know, we still have to have a certain caution here. We got to put up some yellow flags and in most cases, a lot of red flags and make sure that none of this happens. I. I really believe it was a push by so many people. I think the commissioners ruled on it twice. I know Bud gmi, Bud Seely ruled on it two or three times, and the consensus was that he was not going to. He was permanently banned. And so I think there's. They're cutting hairs a little bit on whether now that he's deceased, now it's okay.

[Dan Patrick]

You probably know this better than anybody. How do you think Pete would react today if he were alive?

[Johnny Bench]

About damn time.

[Dan Patrick]

What.

[Johnny Bench]

What took him so long? About damn time. No, I. I think he wanted to. He wanted to be voted on. I think he felt like he never had that opportunity and everything else. And I think that was his one. One thing. I think he always believed that had he been on the ballot that he would have been voted into the hall of Fame. Now, what the. What the hall of Fame has not done, I think, is make a space for Pete in the hall. And, you know, we we honor different groups of baseball players. We honor catchers, we honor they. We honor the heroes and what is baseball and legends and everything else. I think there's a perfect spot for the hall of Fame to. In so many ways, and I think you'll see it in Cincinnati on the board today. I think they'll highlight all the things and the person that he was 145 pounds. He was not drafted. He had to be. He had to be. Had to add a scout, which was an uncle, to give him a tryout. Then he winds up being an All Star at five different positions. Then he's, you know, he wins the MVP of the World Series. These are all things that you can honor him with and, and praise him for. And I think I heard Mike Schmidt talking about the fact that. And the other players on MLB talking about the fact that they were. They wanted to be like Pete. They wanted to play like Pete, they wanted to hit first, slide. They wanted to do all things. He was. He was a personification, personification of hustle and attitude and love for the game of baseball. And the rules are the rules. But for Pete, he. I think he should be honored at the hall of Fame just with video. But you also tell the story of why and while why this happened and what the ramifications are.

[Dan Patrick]

I think the immediate reaction from a lot of people was Pete's going to get into the hall of Fame. And I'd caution my audience to say they're not going to vote on this till December of 2027. And there's other guys on that ballot like Steve Garvey and Louis Tant and, you know, some really good players. Shoeless Joe Jackson's going to be on there as well. So it's not a foregone conclusion Pete gets in or even gets on the ballot. But, you know, it's going to be a process here. And people should.

[Johnny Bench]

We can. I think we can assume that his name will be there. I think they, there's going to be the need for that to happen. But I think there's, you know, there's, you know, there's got, you know, they've been on. Some of these guys have been on the ballot for 20 years. I mean, you know, they, they keep thinking or they'll think and, you know, famous words of Frank Robinson and Bob Feller, and this isn't for that good. This is for the great. And so. And that is exactly the way it was framed. And so here, here we are at this point saying, okay, you know, we know Pete Rose, great good gosh. He's 4,256 hits, you know, and, you know, all the teams that he helped in all the World Series, we know it's there, but I think that would be the ultimate honor. But again, you're okay. We're. We're going to take 12 or 16 guys. We're going to take four owners, going to take four media, and we're going to take eight players, and we're going to have to get 12 votes. And, you know, Marvin Miller didn't make it in forever because the owners were never going to vote for him because they felt like during the drug situation, he could have controlled that better. And yet he had to allow players to get off of the drugs before they could test them. And that's why it took long.

[Steve Covino]

That.

[Johnny Bench]

And you could also say that sosa and the PEDs and McGuire save the game of baseball. All of these things are suppositions. All these things are not proven, but all these things are true. And so now you got to get 12 guys to go to 16 guys to go into a room, and you got to have 12 yeses talking to.

[Dan Patrick]

Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer. Do you think Pete bet as a baseball player on. On baseball?

[Johnny Bench]

I don't have that knowledge. I'm. For me to say yes, I think that that would be a little. I can't say for sure because I don't have any evidence of that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just maintain. And once again, Pete and I shared a bookie growing up. When Pete was Pete Rose, you know, I went through a bookie that he used. So I never knew anything about Pete betting as a player. But I don't think you start betting as a manager. And, and I mean, like, right. Let. Let's be fair to the situation here, because everybody said, well, he bet is as a manager and he bet on his team to win. I think there's more information there that hasn't.

[Johnny Bench]

Did he bet on. Did he bet on him every game to win?

[Dan Patrick]

He told me a couple of years ago, first time he ever admitted that he bet on the Reds to win. Now, I was under the impression he was betting on them to win every night.

[Johnny Bench]

All right, well, so Dan, you. You're. You're standing beside him, and here you're listening to him calling his bookie, and he says, I want the Reds, the Indians and the Braves. You stand by him. The next night he wants the Reds, the Yankees and the Dodgers. And the next night he says, I want the Pirates, the Cubs and the Yankees. You don't like the Reds tonight. Okay, I know Dan's going to be.

[Dan Patrick]

Calling the book, but Johnny, I was told by somebody who would know there were certain pitchers that Pete didn't want to bet on to win games for the Reds.

[Johnny Bench]

Okay, so you had a lot of conversations. Did you have a private line?

[Dan Patrick]

I had too many conversations. But I would know during hockey season or football season who Pete was betting on through my bookie who took, you know, some of the off bets from the main bookie who lived in Indian Hills and that Pete went through. So I was. I was kind of privy to this. I get to espn, I walk in. First month I'm there, the Pete Rose scandal breaks. I call my former bookie. I'm like, I need some information here. And my bookie's like, no names. I said, no, just give me the information. And he did.

[Johnny Bench]

Well, it's like gambling becomes yours. Like, it's like you. You know, this is the story. I'll just use you as an example. You bet on every baseball game, you bet on every football game, and you bet on every football, basketball game, and you lose every bet. So you call your bookie in Indian Hill and say, I'm quitting. I am done with betting. I am not going to bet anymore. And. But then he'll say, well, what about hockey? It's just coming up. And you'll say, what do I know about hockey?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, Pete had that satellite dish outside his house, so he would dial up all of these. He'd be watching Vancouver Canucks and betting hockey.

[Johnny Bench]

Oh, I can still remember. Well, yeah, I mean, you got a tip. You know, somebody gave you a good. Oh, yeah, back in the 73 or 4 ice we're up at, we're having an event with Bob Hope. And you know, my buddy who is. Has a. Has a. Likes to bet, and he's watching the baskets and he. And the, you know, the game's coming on, he's watching football and he's. The games. Come on. Since you think I could be all right with Mr. Hope if I. I watch the guy, I said, well, I'm not turned. As my, my tv. I mean, it's his sweet here. You're going to have to do that. And he said, you know, Mr. Hope, do you. Do you like football? Of course he had the. His book open to whatever his bets were. So Bob said, oh, yeah, turn it on. Let's see what this.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I got four.

[Johnny Bench]

I got four points on this guy. I think everybody's probably had a bet at one time or the other.

[Dan Patrick]

Have You.

[Johnny Bench]

I have, you know, I. Somebody said, if you'll better want every home favorite, you'll win. So I tried it for about six games. You know, I would, I couldn't, you know, if I, you know, I said, no, it's not my, it's not my deal. I'm not, I'm not lucky at gambling, and I, and I love my money more.

[Dan Patrick]

Would you rather have Ohtani or Judge on your team right now?

[Johnny Bench]

I would say Ohtani just because the fact that I could get him to pitch it one time or the other, that would be the backup thing. I mean, right now, Judges, you know what he is. I mean, he's awesome. I mean, I just, I. I just love his approach. His love is, you know, he's got such reach, he's got such patience. He's the kind of guy that doesn't have to hit the ball out of the ballpark because everybody wants him to hit out. Ball out of the ballpark. He's going the other way. They're pitching him so many different ways. He's got such a great, great discipline up there. But Ohtani, you know, you watch him flail away, you don't see, you know, you don't see Aaron Judge do that. You just don't see that flailing away and missing and everything else. And. But yet for stolen bases, which Judge can do, the only, Only caveat for me would be the fact that I could put Ohtani in the pitch.

[Dan Patrick]

Is there a sound of a home run that still resonates with you, whether you hit it or you were behind the plate and somebody hit it?

[Johnny Bench]

Well, there's two. I get now that you mentioned that there was two come to mind. One was in the All Star Game, and we were in Griffith Stadium in D.C. and Steve Carlton was pitching, and Frank Howard, you know, big Frank Howard, 6 foot 8, about 2 7, he said, you know, I'm just so big and strong, if I just made contact, hell, I probably hit 100 home runs. And he came to the plate, and Steve threw him a fastball, and it went right past Steve's head and went over the center field fence and bounced off the concrete. And he crossed on blades, you know, See what I mean? I just, I just make contact is all I did. But the other, of course, was the home run I hit against the Pirates in 72 to tie the game in the night. And I don't know if it's the sound or it's the echo, because I would walk in Riverfront Stadium, and, you know, Al Michaels just Doing a documentary thing. And I was. I was repeating the fact that the 1 and 2 to bench change, hit in the air to deep right field. Back goes Clementi to the wall. She's gone. And I would hear that every time. I don't know why I stepped in the stadium.

[Dan Patrick]

Was that up, Dave Justy?

[Johnny Bench]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember Ron Santo coming in for playing golf. He walked in. What score? 2 to 1 the Pirates or 3 to 2 of the Pirates? And he said, this game's over. When they said Jesse was in because you couldn't hit him with a boat or. I mean, he was just. He was nasty. And it just happened to be for me.

[Dan Patrick]

But when Reggie Jackson hit the light tower in Tiger Stadium at the All Star Game, was that a sound like that. You remember? I mean, that. That's one.

[Johnny Bench]

Oh, God, do I remember. I'm sitting right. The best view of all.

[Dan Patrick]

You called the.

[Johnny Bench]

I knew the below and the launch angle. I mean, I was the one that had all of this stuff. Yeah. You know, and, you know, and I always tell Reggie, because Reggie, you know, Reggie likes the swaggered part. I said, just. What you don't understand is, Reggie, my ball, my home run went farther than yours did. I ended up in right center field, in the. In the. As in the. Up in center field, right center field, going out to the. And of course, we have our things with it and everything else, but Reggie was the beauty. But golly. Oh, my gosh. I mean, we just stood there and. And looked at it like, where in the hell is this going to go? You couldn't imagine it would hit those light standards up there. I mean, that is. It's one of a kind. And. And it was a special moment because, I mean, think about that All Star game. How many? 30. 30. Some guys from the hall of Fame were in that?

[Dan Patrick]

Unbelievable.

[Johnny Bench]

How you doing? What's the green for? I mean, you missed it by about six weeks. Eight weeks.

[Dan Patrick]

That's. Adam Sandler sent this to me for Happy Gilmore.

[Johnny Bench]

What position? Oh, he's a guppy.

[Dan Patrick]

Gilmore. Yeah.

[Johnny Bench]

I've seen your game. I played with you, actually.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's close to Happy Gilmore.

[Johnny Bench]

Are you happy?

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you, man.

[Johnny Bench]

Always.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you.

[Johnny Bench]

Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Thank you.

[Johnny Bench]

All right.

[Dan Patrick]

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Joining us now, hall of Famer Jason Kidd. Mabs head coach and won an NBA championship with the maps back in 2011. Two time Olympic gold medalist. We were just wondering, where do you rank on the all time assist list? Let's go around the room and guess where is J. Kidd on the all time list there? Todd?

[Johnny Bench]

Third.

[Dan Patrick]

Third. Okay. Seaton two. Marvin.

[Johnny Bench]

Third.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul two. I'm gonna go four. Where is Jay Kidd on the all time assist list?

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Dan Patrick]

Is LeBron going to catch J Kid?

[Rich Davis]

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[Dan Patrick]

You're getting kicked down here, man. How are you doing?

[Steve Covino]

I'm doing great, Dan. I'm doing great. Yes, that happens. I didn't play long enough.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Steve Covino]

Best passer. I'm going to go with Stockton.

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Why is that?

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I think you know the bounce pass. Yeah. Big hands could take it off the dribble, could pause with it. Some would say is maybe double dribble. But I think he, he knew how to manipulate the, the ball off the dribble and being able to find his target. And he has some pretty good targets.

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[Steve Covino]

In 1960.

[Dan Patrick]

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Well, it's always been a part of the game.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, no, no, like now it's just you can have your hand on the bottom of the ball and then go. Was it Iverson who started it?

[Steve Covino]

I'm. I don't think it was Iverson. I think it's the guy we were just talking about.

[Dan Patrick]

Stockton was the first guy to carry the ball.

[Steve Covino]

I think if you look at Stockton, he knew how to manipulate the dribble.

[Dan Patrick]

Was he dirty?

[Steve Covino]

He was smart.

[Dan Patrick]

Where were you on lottery night?

[Steve Covino]

Lottery night? I was in Newport beach at a board meeting for go rental. And I thought, okay, well we're gonna probably fall backwards instead of going forward. So my phone started to go crazy during the meeting and I kept texting the person back saying, are you sure it's not. You're missing a one because you. He goes, you're, you're in the top four. And I mean 14. And he goes, no. And he goes, I think you just got one. I go, you mean. We stayed at 11 and. And then my phone started going crazy. So that's where I was.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, you're not even watching the lottery.

[Steve Covino]

I, you know, things just weren't going well for us.

[Dan Patrick]

Really. What. What else has happened this year?

[Steve Covino]

A lot of injuries. A lot of injuries. But I just felt, you know, we were going to stay around 11, if not go backwards, just the way that things were going for us this year, but incredible to get number one. Everyone's excited. The organization, the city, the Mavs fans, and also the head coach. So we're really excited about being number.

[Dan Patrick]

One, planning on keeping the pick and taking Cooper Flag.

[Steve Covino]

Yes. I'm just the coach, so, yes, I would say that we're all concentrating on number one. The draft is deep, and so. But as the name you just brought up, I think we're all focused on.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you spoken to Cooper Flag?

[Steve Covino]

I have not spoken to Cooper Flag. I don't want to break any of the rules, get us trouble, so I want to make sure that when I do answer these questions that, you know, the speculation is Cooper Flag, but there's, you know, we got to go through the process.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so you would get in trouble if you did reach out to Cooper Flag before the draft?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, well, no, not. Not technically. Once we bring him in, we'll get.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you not allowed to say his name?

[Steve Covino]

I would. I'm trying to be politically correct here and make sure that we don't get in trouble and I don't step on any toes.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so the kid from Duke.

[Steve Covino]

There we go.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you.

[Steve Covino]

Are you excited? We're excited.

[Dan Patrick]

I. I don't want to get you fined. Okay, thank you.

[Steve Covino]

Thank you. I can't afford to find. And so I. We're excited about the kid at Duke. I can't wait to talk to the coach over there, Coach Shire, and. And also a good friend of mine, Coach K. Mentor and. And get some background on. On the. On the kid at Duke. We're really excited about this opportunity.

[Dan Patrick]

You were 21 as a rookie, right?

[Steve Covino]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

I can't imagine what 19 is going to be like for the kids from Duke.

[Steve Covino]

How.

[Dan Patrick]

How is that different? Or has the game made it easier for that transition for somebody that young?

[Steve Covino]

No, I don't know if it's easier. I think 18, he's going to be drafted. He'll be 18 and doesn't turn 19 until December. And so just understanding. He's young, but he's very talented, can play both ends. And so being able to have older players. And when I say that out of respect, they're not dinosaurs, but when you look at the age of 30, Kai AD guys that are here, Clay can definitely Help him with the process of going through a rookie season.

[Dan Patrick]

And the kid from Duke doesn't have to walk in and be the savior like he probably would have been in Washington, D.C. or maybe Charlotte, that you can kind of ease him in to being a third or fourth option on the team.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I think this is a great situation for. For him. I think when you talk about the different guys that we have already on the team, the pressure of living up to number one will be a lot easier with the talent around him. When you talk about the other clubs, he would have to, you know, produce right away at a high. And so I think this is a great situation for him to grow his game where the pressure isn't as high, but we are playing for a championship, and so it would be a lot of fun.

[Dan Patrick]

Jason Kidd, hall of Famer Mavericks head coach how were you told that you had just traded Luca?

[Steve Covino]

I was told by my boss, Nico, that we were going to make a change.

[Dan Patrick]

But where. Where? Give me the. Give me this scenario.

[Steve Covino]

Hotel. This is in the hotel in Cleveland. And so he said the news was going to hit in an hour, and. And that's how it went down. And so when he told me, I started. I went back to my room to start figuring out how we're going to use AD and Christie because of this change. And so.

[Dan Patrick]

So you found out. You didn't even get a chance to argue?

[Steve Covino]

No, there was. There's no arguing. This is. This is what was going to take place. And so for me is to. To move forward from past experiences as a player. I've been traded the day after Christmas, I think, from Dallas to Phoenix, and thinking they were trading Jimmy or Jamal, and they told me that they were trading me. And so. And so just understanding that the train keeps moving. And I thought my players and my coaching staff did an incredible job with, you know, once they heard the news of preparing to keep moving forward and. And especially with all the trade and the injuries, I thought we did an incredible job.

[Dan Patrick]

When's the last time you spoke to Luca?

[Steve Covino]

I text him on that morning, and that's the last time I've talked to him.

[Dan Patrick]

How did he respond to your text?

[Steve Covino]

I don't think he was too happy. And just again, from the experience of being traded, you know, maybe being surprised, you know, upset feelings are high. But again, I love the opportunity of coaching Luka. He's an incredible person, and we all know his talent is one of the best in the world. And so, you know, again, my mindset is to deal with the Cars that I'm dealt and. And keep pushing forward. And I've always said this publicly and privately. I wish Luka the best. He's one of the best players in the world.

[Dan Patrick]

I thought you were going to say that. You meet with Nico in his hotel room, he tells you he's trading Luca, and then you go back to your hotel room and cry. But, but. But that didn't happen, right?

[Steve Covino]

I didn't cry. I was more or less trying to figure out how we're going to make this thing work. You know, this is a big trade.

[Dan Patrick]

But who do you call first after Nico tells you that you're trading Luca?

[Steve Covino]

I didn't call anybody. I put my phone down and looked at the ceiling and started trying to brainstorm of how this is going to go down. I did not call anybody once this hit. And my job as the coach is to make sure that we all are pushing in the right direction. There was going to be a lot of questions that morning from staff and players, and I thought Nico did a great job of. Of handling it by having the meeting and. And for us pushing forward.

[Dan Patrick]

Anybody have a better handle than Kyrie in that. In NBA history?

[Steve Covino]

Oh, I'm gonna say no, but I'm gonna say there's some close seconds when you talk about Isaiah Thomas. Detroit. Isaiah Thomas.

[Dan Patrick]

Underrated, by the way.

[Steve Covino]

Very underrated. Very underrated.

[Dan Patrick]

Why. Why is that?

[Steve Covino]

I think sometimes it's. It's our fault. We don't. We don't bring up Isaiah. Jay Williams, White Chocolate. I thought his handle and his passing is incredible storytelling. I don't know if we. We don't do a good. Good enough job of storytelling with Isaiah or our past players. And so I think Isaiah would be right there as one B. Yeah, but.

[Dan Patrick]

I think with Isaiah, likability, the way they played, they were the bad boys, you know, they were trying to hurt Jordan, and I. I think that maybe that plays into it with Isaiah.

[Steve Covino]

Well, I don't know if they were just trying to hurt Jordan. They were trying to hurt everybody.

[Dan Patrick]

But if the Pistons don't treat Michael that way, Michael doesn't start weightlifting. And like, that made Michael even greater. They're responsible for unleashing, you know, the new and improved Michael Jordan.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. I think, you know, sometimes when we look at things that take place in our league, some are looked upon as negatives, but a lot of players or coaches use them as positives and. And try to turn it into something and, as you said, unleashes the beast in Michael. And he took that and ran with it, got stronger. His game was. His talent was already elite. And so I think he. He used that as motivation to become the best in the world.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you remember facing him the first time?

[Steve Covino]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, what happened?

[Steve Covino]

No, it was actually nice. He was nice to me. I'll never forget. I ended up on him. Unfortunately, I didn't know how the switch happened, but he has me in the post, and all I can think about is just turn around and fade away and keep it simple and nice. But he went baseline and he took off. And unfortunately, my swipe, I didn't. I missed it. And I was like, oh, this is going to be on. On espn, and he's going to dunk it and look and, you know, do what he does. But he just did a nice little reverse layup and looked and kind of winked. And I said, oh, man, I'm glad he didn't dunk it, but he took it easy on me.

[Dan Patrick]

But when did you realize he was better than you?

[Steve Covino]

Oh, before tip off.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, the. You guys have egos. I mean, like, Larry Bird had to get to a point where he said, you know what? He's the best player in the game. My magic had to. You guys are, you know, pretty tough when you're going to relinquish something like that.

[Johnny Bench]

Yeah.

[Steve Covino]

But I think we all understood when we. We have to be realistic understanding Michael is the best. And so coming in as a rookie, you know, you wanted that challenge, you wanted to compete against the best, but understanding he was going to win majority of those battles. And he did. And so you couldn't wait for that game to be over so that you can go play someone else that you.

[Dan Patrick]

Can take advantage of. Maybe they'll write a book on this year for the Dallas Mavericks one day, just this year, of everything that's happened. Because it's hard to believe, Right?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, I think you're right. I think there's someone's gonna write a.

[Dan Patrick]

Book or 30 for 30 on ESPN.

[Steve Covino]

There could be a 30 for 30 for sure. There's enough content, you know, there when you talk about just there was in, you know, season within a season, and there's maybe three seasons, just with the trade and with all the injuries that we had, trying to keep, you know, pushing forward and finding a way into the playing game and winning one and unfortunately coming up short against Memphis. But just everything that took place. I think there is a book there and then probably 30 for 30.

[Dan Patrick]

Good to talk to you again. Thanks for joining us.

[Steve Covino]

Happy birthday.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Steve Covino]

You look great, man.

[Dan Patrick]

What did you get me?

[Steve Covino]

Well, I was going to say a jump shot, but you already believe that you can shoot, so.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, now we don't. We don't want to go down the road, do we? We don't want to go down memory lane because. Do we?

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, why not? It's your birthday.

[Dan Patrick]

You.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You.

[Dan Patrick]

I go to Dallas to shoot against you, right?

[Steve Covino]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

I come to down. I fly to Dallas to play, you know. You in a game of horse?

[Steve Covino]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

And what happened after practice? Who went home and left me there out shooting by myself? You did.

[Steve Covino]

Well, I. You. I forfeit it. So you automatically.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, who becomes a great three point shooter? You do.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah. You turn me into a great three point shooter. So you get credit. I'm giving you credit. Words due. And you turn me into a three point shooter.

[Dan Patrick]

You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. So thank you. I don't need a jump shot. We know that. You know, maybe what?

[Steve Covino]

Putter driver.

[Dan Patrick]

How about this? How about a autographed jersey from the kid from Duke?

[Johnny Bench]

Oh, Don.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, here we go.

[Steve Covino]

Easy.

[Dan Patrick]

Just making dreams come true.

[Johnny Bench]

There you go.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, buddy. That's Jason Kidd, hall of Famer. Yeah. I told you guys the story. I told you the story. I went to. To Dallas. We. We had a great relationship. And I said, I will beat you in a shooting contest. And I'm there in the stands waiting for practice to end. And I'm waiting. It ends. And I go, where's Jason? The clubhouse guy goes, oh, he left. And I go, he left. And he admitted he didn't. He knew that I could shoot. There he is right there. He just came back. He wants to. He knows it's true. He knows it's true.

[Jason Kidd]

Be sure to catch the live edition.

[Dan Patrick]

Of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Jason Kidd]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Steve Covino]

Show up in our lives in small ways.

[Johnny Bench]

Three or four days a week, I.

[Steve Covino]

Would buy two cups of banana pudding.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But the price has gone up, so.

[Steve Covino]

Now I only buy one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on everybody's business. From Bloomberg Business Week, I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek Smith.

[Jason Kidd]

Every Friday, we will be diving into.

[Steve Covino]

The biggest stories in business, taking a.

[Johnny Bench]

Look at what's going on, why it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. With guests like BusinessWeek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull, we'll take you inside the boardrooms, the back rooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, I want to learn about vechain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.

[Steve Covino]

So listen to everybody's business on the.

[Jason Kidd]

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

[Jason Kidd]

It's us.

[Rich Davis]

It really is. And not. Look at those dance moves from Iowa Sam.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's up and at him. Look at that guy.

[Rich Davis]

It's too early for that. How does he have the energy to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Put perspective for people that don't know Fox Sports Radio employee Iowa Sam, who's all over the place running the boards today. He has the mannerisms of a young Conan o' Brien.

[Rich Davis]

Yes, yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Which is great.

[Rich Davis]

And the looks of a young Will Ferrell or something. I don't know what's going on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's high compliments.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, he's Got an afro going on, I can tell you that. And I love him. And my favorite story about Iowa Sam, who's playing the xylophone so masterfully so early in the morning dancing, is that he recently told us his confirmation name, which is sort of like his middle name. He goes by is Javier. Javier.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There he is.

[Rich Davis]

That's the best. Javier. Saying so much you don't know about me, of course, again, I'm Camino. That is rich. We're in for the great Dan Patrick. Always a pleasure. And Brie is on the phones. What's up, Bri? Holding it down. It's great to see Bri.

[Dan Patrick]

What a delight. I know.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, we love our producer Danny G. And all, but Bree, you don't smell like bologna and coffee. Just kidding.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He said it's a plus.

[Rich Davis]

Danny G is like, yo, I smell fantastic. And he does the number 87799 on Fox. We're live from Fox sports radio studio. Most cars on the road could use little tlc.

[Dan Patrick]

Rich.

[Rich Davis]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

There is, oh, a lot to get to today. Oh, no. We're going to talk Cowboys. And man, Fox might not love the cowboys as much as you think there.

[Rich Davis]

Says who?

[Ryan Seacrest]

NFL news. That says me. We'll get to that. Man, I got to talk about your Yankees. I've never seen a fan base sweat a player that was on their team for one year. Get off of Juan Sotos Huevos.

[Rich Davis]

Everybody needs something to rally around and he's the target tonight. Gonna be an action packed day for New York. Of course the Knicks play tonight. But speaking of basketball, hope you had a Denver Nuggets sort of night. A Yokich sort of night. Looks like they're back in action. Got the thunder up against the wall now. So hope you're enjoying some great basketball. We got some great baseball going on this weekend. Super pumped that it's Friday. Super pumped to be here in for Dan Patrick now while you're still in your car and on your way to work or whatever on this glorious Friday. Remember, we're on Monday through Friday anyway all the time. Nationwide, like the warehouse. We're nationwide, 2 to 4 on the west, 5 to 7 on the east, Monday through Friday. But when they say, hey, DP needs you, we're here. Always fun to hang out with you guys.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now we got to talk about what's going on tonight because I think. I think forget that. Hell, I know tonight is the biggest event that's happening at Madison square garden in the 21st century. I know you might think that sounds crazy, but I'll explain in a second. But before we get into Nick Celtics tonight, which is a big deal, big story, I got to ask you, like the most immature dumb question, please. And it's a fun question because I was talking about this with one of the dads from my kids little league team yesterday. If you were watching the Thunder and the Nuggies, Jamal Murray going off 25 points and he was sick, not feeling well. You know, sometimes big game players come up in big spots, especially when they're not feeling so hot. Right?

[Rich Davis]

Kind of how I feel today. It's a big day, we're filling in, and I feel a little out of it. You know, why not? Because I'm sick because I stuffed my face yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

So I'm like, oh, one too many meat to balls.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Over enthused. Oh, and waking up so early, my bathroom schedule's off. So I'm really like, oh, don't tell us that. But yeah, man, oh, I ate so much like a slob yesterday that I'm not feeling that great right now. I have the same thing.

[Johnny Bench]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A relatively immature question for you, but listen, when you play at an NBA level, a major league baseball level, an NFL level, you're always trying to get the edge, right? Like everyone. That's a big thing in sports. You're trying to get the edge, any advantage, Right?

[Rich Davis]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You've heard there's players who got stinky ass in the NFL because they, you know, they want people to get away from me.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. Any advantage, any edge. So competitive. The most competitive people on the planet.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So if you're a sick Jamal Murray, do you breathe a little bit on SGA? Like maybe thinking, like, if I have.

[Rich Davis]

A little 24 hour spores. Like the last of us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, like the last of. If you watch the last of us. I'm just picturing those deadly green spores when she's in that elevator bank.

[Rich Davis]

You know, it is a really dumb question. I'm glad you prefaced it, but I wouldn't put it past them. Dude, if the biggest level we're talking of the most competitive people on. On earth. And I wouldn't be surprised that it happens in regular life because some people are just that competitive. Like, if Jonas was like, I really want to bring down C and R. Hate those guys, you know, he'd be rubbing his germs all over the microphones. I don't know how that works. You know, but we love Jonas and we love everybody here. Luckily. But you never know until you find out.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He rubbed his cheeks on your mic.

[Rich Davis]

People are vengeful. Didn't Mike who runs his place say, like, never leave your toothbrush around people you don't know or something weird like that? Mike who runs this place.

[Ryan Seacrest]

My point. My point is simple. It might sound immature, but when one of us are sick, you or our video guy spots the first. Oh, don't breathe on me. Go away.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, I mean, Covid changed the game. Yeah, well.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I'm saying, I hate to bring.

[Rich Davis]

Up that dirty word that ruined four years of our life.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think that if regular people are eye rolling about, like, stay away, don't come to work. If you're feeling sick and you have a game seven in 48 hours, you don't think it's a wild thought to be like, maybe I'll breathe a little extra on SGA. If I have a 24, 48 hour little thing going on, maybe I'll give it to them.

[Rich Davis]

If I was a betting man, and I'm not really, I'm just more of a cheapskate, I like the action. I would say no one had this conversation at all. That's my guess.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because I think of these.

[Rich Davis]

Would I put it past people in history and in the past and has it been done before as your favorite group, the Bare Naked lady said, rich, it's all been done. I'm sure it has been done before.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's all been done and I'm sure.

[Rich Davis]

It'S been done in real life. Like sabotage. You think, you think these guys are above sabotage?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, people are trying to listen.

[Rich Davis]

All of y' all, people are sabotage.

[Ryan Seacrest]

People are in the middle of a, you know, a pile on in the NFL and they're, you know, grabbing junk and punching guys and, you know, pulling hair.

[Rich Davis]

I doubt this happened, but the thought is not as outrageous and goofy as you think.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay?

[Rich Davis]

I bet it's happened before because people are looking for that edge like you described and sabotage and want to take people down. And it might be someone at the office, might be someone at the warehouse, might be someone at the oil patch, wherever you are, and you're trying to get ahead of that guy, the sales dude. You might have done something sneaky and creepy actually to bring him down. And when you're this competitive, I don't think it's impossible.

[Dan Patrick]

Rich.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Dude, isn't it like the plotline, it's improbable that it happened, isn't it? The plotline of every dumb comedy, like, the bad guy tries to get in the way of the good guy, like, oh, he's stuck in traffic. Or, oh, don't let him get to the conference. I'm just saying it's not wild.

[Rich Davis]

Drink.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's not something crazy. It's not a wild thought. But, hey, last night, do you think.

[Rich Davis]

That anybody to piggyback your dumb thought here, do you think anybody on the flip side is like, I wish he wasn't playing because their health is a concern, or we passed that kind of like the Jordan flu game. No one was really like, jordan, stay away.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm just saying, yesterday was a biggie. We talked about it. I'm. I'm never the guy that's like, told you so. But OKC was favored by six yesterday. And I remember saying, like, not so fast. This game's in Denver. I know okc. Yesterday in Vegas, they were still the odds on favorite to win the NBA title. I don't know what that looks like today. I know the Knicks and the T wolves were both plus 600, but yesterday they had OKC at minus 140. I think when you go to a game seven, those odds have been adjusted. But forget that series. Let's go to New York City tonight.

[Rich Davis]

By the way, you know who I wouldn't put this past, by the way, to wrap up your previous thought? Rudy Gobert, because I think he's out to get everybody with his germs.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

He is the guy that spread Covid, if you remember.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's true. Hey, Bri, I was. Sam, am I crazy? I mean, you could. You could look me in the eyes and say, it's a dumb thought, but you don't think players are trying to get the edge.

[Rich Davis]

It is, but it's not impossible.

[Jason Kidd]

Seems like too much biomedical, like, you, the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The timing of it, you know, it's. It's not going to play out the way you want. Probably you're like, I'm going to cough on this guy in game one and my game three, he'll be ill and he'll be missing the game. You've heard times where it's like, yeah, the clubhouse, like, half the team's, you know, not feeling well. You've heard that in sports, like, something goes through the locker room or clubhouse.

[Rich Davis]

I heard that Bri wanted to produce our show for Dan Patrick on this main stage show. She's the one that got Danny G. Sick today on purpose. And it started like two days ago. Yeah, she set him up for it. It's not Impossible. It's improbable. So funny thought, though, because people are willing to take all sorts of risks for that edge. No doubt.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right, so let's go to tonight, Madison Square Garden. The Knicks cannot, under any circumstances, let this series go back to Boston for a Game seven.

[Rich Davis]

I'm with you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I can only compare it to, you know, I'm a Mets fan from New York, but I'm gonna go back to when I was a little boy, when I was my kid's age, when I was.

[Rich Davis]

For the record, he's just a man boy right now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, now I'm a man boy.

[Rich Davis]

Now he's a grown man boy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

My daughter often asked me, dad, when was the last time the Mets won the championship? And I reluctantly say, you know, your little brother who's five, six years old. When I was his age, that's when The Mets won. 1986. I was in kindergarten.

[Johnny Bench]

I.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I do remember just from the highlights and knowledge, the Mets were playing the Astros in the nlcs, and that was the year Mike Scott was untouchable.

[Rich Davis]

This is the. Was Kevin Bass on that squad?

[Ryan Seacrest]

He was on that squad. Do you remember? There was speculation. Yo, is Mike Scott scuffing the ball like he's unhittable?

[Rich Davis]

I do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The Mets were going to have to face him in game seven.

[Rich Davis]

Was Jose Cruz on that squad for the Astros?

[Ryan Seacrest]

That was a big squad, man, that Astros team was good, but they were going to have to face Mike Scott in a Game seven. So when they were in extra innings in Game six, there was a pressure of like, yo, you got to win now, Mets. Because if you face Mike Scott in Game seven, I don't know if you could beat him. And I feel that way tonight. About the New York Knicks, if you want to talk New York Sports, my.

[Rich Davis]

Buddy'S already reaching out to me. Got a few east coast friends out here in la and I dude, dude, what are we doing for the game tonight? I'm like, well, I'm waking up really, for Dan Patrick, so I might be taking a nap later. But, yeah, we got to get together, got to do something. So much on the line. Might be the biggest night in a long time for New York Sports with the Yankees, Mets going on tonight, and of course, the Knicks. But, Rich, I think what brings the Celtics closer together, why they're so scary is because they don't. They don't have Jason Tatum. And I feel that forces everybody to step up and play harder, and they have a chip on their shoulder as a result. I'll give You. A work analogy. Let's say it's the Covino and Rich show. We've been doing this forever. Covino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. Four plus years, Right. But we've been working together. If Rich out of nowhere is like Cavino, I can't make it. It's not that there's extra pressure on me, but I know deep down, subconsciously, well, if Rich isn't here now, I.

[Dan Patrick]

Really got to bring it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're making up. Are you making up for something lost?

[Rich Davis]

I'm trying to overcompensate because Rich isn't here. So you know what I'm doing extra effort, man. I'm really gonna bring it today. You know, I'm also subconsciously gonna say I'm gonna show everybody I don't need this guy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. I mean, subconsciously, bro, I don't tell anybody that. Yeah, yeah. I'm not, like, walking around telling everybody, but I don't need this guy. And I want everybody to know. Oh, man, I'm full of great energy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And look how great is that? All the Celtics are doing.

[Jason Kidd]

Whoa.

[Rich Davis]

It's the Covino show. I mean, but Rich will be back tomorrow. But seriously, subconsciously, all these things are going on, and you're putting extra effort into that to show that the whole team and the whole process doesn't revolve around one guy. And I think they band together just to prove that. Like, yo, it's not just the Jason Tatum show. We're great. We're great with him, but we're great without him, too. We're going to show that. That's why you don't want to take any chances. That's why the Knicks have to stomp on them tonight. Because you're right. Then it does get a little scary.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, to quote your hero as a child, MC Hammer gaining momentum. You don't want anyone.

[Rich Davis]

He also said, look at my eyes, man. You can't touch this.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think if you go back to Boston, you're toast. I just can't see how. Right.

[Rich Davis]

With the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

With the Tatum stuff going back to Boston, you got to finish this tonight. Which is why I think it's the most important home game and the most important event at Madison Square Garden.

[Rich Davis]

But trust me, there's another theory here.

[Ryan Seacrest]

In the 21st century.

[Rich Davis]

I hate agreeing with you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What's the other answer going to be? Billy Joel's show. I'm a big Billy Joel fan. What, the circus? Ringling Brothers when it comes to town.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, yeah. When Gunther Gable Williams was taming Tigers and Lions. That was huge in the 70s.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's no big fights at the Garden like there were when our parents were younger. The Rangers haven't won a Stanley cup since 1994. And before that, remember 1940.

[Rich Davis]

So we're talking, we're reminded why it's the world's most famous arena. No diggity no doubt. The last big event there was the Dice man selling out.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, maybe like a Big east tournament, Yukon or Q back in the day did something. But I'm talking about the Mecca Madison Square Garden. Is tonight the biggest game?

[Rich Davis]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Since the year 2000.

[Rich Davis]

Can you hit that high note since the year 2000. Man, he did that so early.

[Johnny Bench]

Thank you, Sam.

[Rich Davis]

Thank you. Bringing that Conan energy. Iowa. Sam on the ones and twos again. Breeze on the phones, 87799 on Fox. Don't be scurred. Hit us up and let's chop it up, especially when we're giving away prizes. But Rich, there's another theory as to why you don't want to go back to Boston. And let's not forget the New York Boston rivalry. As a city, forget about the team. Just as a city is so big and so fun. I call it the do for Johnny theory. Although the team wants to step up minus Tatum, they also want to, like rally around this. Something to rally around is scary.

[Johnny Bench]

And.

[Rich Davis]

I call it the duo for Johnny Theory from the movie the Outsiders. You know, they were rumbling they were ready to win. And when they're doing it for someone else, I think that's when people play big. And I know that sounds corny, but people get together like, nah, man, we got you. They're telling Tatum, we got you. We're gonna do it for Jason, do it for Johnny. When you throw more factors into the mix like that, you really see people step up in different ways. It's also to tie it to sports, the Brett Favre theory, where he had his biggest game on his toughest night because he was doing it for his dad who passed away. Now, I'm not saying, you know, Tatum's never coming back, but it's reason to play for reason to rally around. I don't think you want to let another team who has all this going for them, this bonding moment, you don't want to let them gain momentum. Like you said that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So that name you said, Brett Favre.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Use it a couple more times. Because in four days, far, far, far, far, say in four days, the world is going to hate him. Why that documentary?

[Rich Davis]

I mean, a lot of people Hate him already?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, but I'm saying I think everyone's going to hate him in four days.

[Rich Davis]

There's a documentary coming out on Netflix, four days.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It points out everything that makes this guy awful. You bring up up people rallying around people. I think you, you don't want to admit it. As a Yankees fan, it's going to be tough for you guys to win the World Series this year without Garrett Cole. However, if you go back a couple years, in 2021, the Atlanta Braves won the World Series despite Ronald Acuna Jr. Being hurt at a pivotal point in missing the season.

[Rich Davis]

So times losing a key player actually makes the team better. It sounds crazy and ridiculous, but losing Juan Soto, for example, really did make the Yankees lineup better. Forced them to make other moves. Other players had to step up. You're a more well rounded team as opposed to relying on one player or expecting one player to bring it. So if the Celtics are able to rally around this, yeah, they're a dangerous squad still and you're seeing it. So it puts that much pressure on what the Knicks have to do, which is win at home. And it brings again the question up. Is this the biggest night at the garden in the 21st century?

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's really the case 2000. Because when you think about what Dane Cook selling out the Garden, Sebastian Maniscalco.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, I sold out 10 times. Why would you do that? I think he sold 10 nights out.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm telling you.

[Rich Davis]

Didn't he play like 10 shows at.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The Garden since the year 2000? Conan O' Brien, Styles, there hasn't been, there hasn't been an event of this magnitude at the Garden because everything you think of, whether it was a big fight night, all those, all those.

[Rich Davis]

I remember the last time was electric sports related.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Linsanity.

[Rich Davis]

Linsanity. Yeah, because we lived it, Rich and I, we live in la. We're live from the barrios of the west side right now, but we're live from the mean streets of la.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We're in the Valley, Sherman Oaks. Nothing mean about Sherman Oaks, everybody.

[Rich Davis]

So we live in LA now, but we're from the east coast. And not even just the Garden, just the city itself was electric boogie yuggy oogie. When Linsanity was going on, that's how real it was. Like it really was a huge moment. May have been a passing fleeting two weeks for you. You're like, yeah, I remember that. I mean those documentaries you've seen about Linsanity was real and the Garden was rocking the way it should be when that happened that was insane.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. I hate to say it.

[Rich Davis]

I'm sorry, Lynn Sane.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I hate to say it because, you know, we are New Yorkers originally. You know, we're original New Yorkers.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, I'm from race to be technical. I'm a Joyce boy. I'm a New York drinking my coffee. Oh, but you grow up. New York's your backyard, your playground and where we worked.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I see you're a Jersey guy. I'm actually a New Yorker and I look at it and say, other than a stand up comedy special and linsanity, maybe the debut of Carmelo Anthony because he was like a hometown guy and people loved him.

[Rich Davis]

I hate agreeing with this guy. But Rich is right. He didn't really win with the Knicks the way they wanted him to or we expected. But we were there for his debut and it was electric. We were there. It was one of the few times we went to a big game like that. And I remember everybody was super pumped about it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So the nosebleeds tonight. Seat Geek, StubHub, all your sites. 8hundo for like a, you know, of a high up. But then again, it's a garden. It's not that big, but 800 bucks for what you would call the nosebleed. So yeah, that's it.

[Jason Kidd]

Ticket.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's the ticket.

[Rich Davis]

I don't know, 800 for a nosebleed? Yeah, I mean, you gotta like run that one by the wifey maybe.

[Steve Covino]

Yeah, that's it.

[Rich Davis]

Ticket, maybe.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Honey, I'm gonna be sitting after you buy it.

[Rich Davis]

Of course.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm sitting behind the Billy Joel sign in the rafters. 800, your thoughts. Is tonight the biggest event at the garden in the 21st century?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. Try to think of something bigger than that because again, tonight is going to be electric. It's going to be what New York's supposed to be, the world's most famous arena. You have to factor in the fans tonight, the intimidation factor. It's going to be loud. Home court advantage will be in effect. At least you hope stars will be.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When you say intimidating fans, are you talking about the a mean mug from Ben Stiller?

[Rich Davis]

I'm talking Timothy Chalamet mean mugging the Celtics tonight with his work boots on. So yeah, the stars will be out, you'll be watching. And if anything, I'd love to hear from you. But if anything, if you don't have a horse in the race, we gave you reason to watch tonight.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know what, Tim in Vermont, we'll start with him. Tim. Biggest event. Biggest event at the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know about the biggest event being this because you guys forgetting about the concert for 911 in the 21st century, you Communists.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, I remember I worked at. I worked at Z100 in New York at that time. And they had jingle ball three months after 911 and they had FDNY and NYPD walking around the Garden and.

[Rich Davis]

You mean you were there and you forgot. That's right. You were ashamed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, but that was just more sentimental. I was there.

[Rich Davis]

Rich introduced the Backstreet voice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow. It's possible.

[Johnny Bench]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise.

[Ryan Seacrest]

For Backstreet Boys from the Backstreet. Do you remember that song, the Backstreet Boys? I was saying, I don't know how quick you're on the punch, but do you remember that song Superman by Five for Fighting? Of course. By the way, five for Fighting got his name. That's the penalty in hockey. Five minutes for fighting. That song played at Madison Square Garden while FDNY and NYPD walked around with candles. I can't stand. I was wondering where that voice was coming from.

[Johnny Bench]

I forgot.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Spots in a new part of the studio. Now he's out of sight. What's that disembodied voice coming from him?

[Rich Davis]

Don't play the song. Let Spot sing it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Spot, you remember that, though, right?

[Rich Davis]

Don't I know. We have this library of music with the cloud beneath their feet. Thank you, Spot.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm more than a man.

[Rich Davis]

I know it's a sentimental moment, but that song is Misery.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But that was a sentimental moment. But biggest moment tonight, Madison Square. Go sports related.

[Rich Davis]

Absolutely.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's go. All right, listen, we got more Kavino and Rich coming up for the great Dan Patrick.

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