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Bobby Skinner
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Justin Pennock
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Bobby Skinner
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Bobby Skinner
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Justin Pennock
Welcome to Football Today, our midweek show and guess what we're doing? We're doing QBs in the playoff or one game of the playoff, one game back of the playoffs. Tears. I'm your host Bobby Skinner here with my co host Justin Pennock. Justin, if we were doing tears of radio shows, where would Dan Patrick show.
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Bobby Skinner
Be a number one? Thank you to the Dan Patrick show for allowing us to put one episode a week on here. We also have two episodes that we do with Chris Rose on Mondays and on Fridays and we're on YouTube as well. And we also have our own podcast feed. Thank you. The Dan Patrick show. It's been a lot of fun being on there the last couple weeks.
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Justin Pennock
If we're going historical intentional talk or. Dan Patrick.
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Bobby Skinner
Dan Patrick.
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Justin Pennock
Yeah. Baseball. Justin, let's. Let's get into our playoff tears. Why don't you set it up for us?
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah. So we're going A through D. I wanted to have like fun tiers of like is this the guy? Or I'm not confident this is the guy or I don't know, it's too early to find out. So I wanted to have fun categories, but Bobby Skinner hates fun. So we're. So we're doing A through D and.
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Justin Pennock
I'm viewing it more as like, great, you are the reason. B is you should be the reason. But I need you to see you do it first in the playoffs. And then mine is like with the right team you definitely can do it. And then the. I'm not confident that you have the capacities.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah. So I kind of want to start off with A because I think it's pretty obvious who some of these top guys are. And I think it's also just more fun to talk about top guys and then we can get more critical as time goes on. Are you for that?
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Justin Pennock
Yeah. I mean, how many do you have in the A tier?
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Bobby Skinner
I have three.
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Justin Pennock
I have three as well too. So we probably have the same three. Correct.
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Bobby Skinner
I would presume. And I. And I did mine in order.
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Justin Pennock
Mine too.
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Bobby Skinner
Mahomes, Allen and Stafford.
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Justin Pennock
Oh, okay. So that's where we differ. I really like Stafford. Stafford is number four for me.
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Bobby Skinner
Okay.
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Justin Pennock
I know that he's had some playoff struggles. I put Lamar in here. What Lamar does on a week in, week out basis is amazing. Like he, like he lifts up everybody again. He's had some playoff struggles, I agree. But he is, you know, a two time mvp is possibly going to be a three time MVP after this season depending on how, you know, hashtag narratives go over these last four weeks. But I just for me, I love Stafford and again, he's four for me. I only put like you're an MVP level quarterback in the eighth year, like regular season and playoffs. You can do it.
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Bobby Skinner
But you don't think Stafford has more like in the playoffs, in the postseason. Two minutes to go. You need a game winning drive. Like I think it's clear, like I'd rather have Matt Stafford making that, making that like, hey, that beautiful throw to Puka Nakua over The shoulder. Lamar can do it and I want Lamar to do it. There's probably, no, there's probably no quarterback on this list that I'm rooting for more than Lamar, but I just trust Stafford to do it at this stage of their careers.
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Justin Pennock
Poss. Yeah, sure. If you're talking about two minute drill, Stafford, Yeah, I probably given the edge, but I think it's more than just the two minute drill.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah.
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Justin Pennock
When we're, when we're going through all this, you know, and at the end of the day, Stafford has one playoff run, you know.
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Bobby Skinner
Right.
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Justin Pennock
Like he's never won a playoff game outside of, out of, outside of one year he played, which again, is that all his fault. No, but like Lamar is the type of player where those Lions teams would have been in the playoffs every single year. You know what I mean?
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah.
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Justin Pennock
Where I don't. Stafford again is a great. He'll have hoarder, he'll have hall of Fame discussions. When Lamar retires, we're not having hall of Fame discussions. He's just going into the hall of Fame.
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Bobby Skinner
Right, right.
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Justin Pennock
So you have to be like that guy week in, week out for me to put you in that tier.
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Bobby Skinner
But crossing that postseason bridge, I mean it is getting a little bit like Payton and insert other quarterback here that maybe had a little bit of trouble in the postseason earlier in their career. It is kind of getting to that point for Lamar where that is the next bridge that he needs to climb. And that's why like last year I banged my head on the table when number one, the Ravens had that game plan and you know, they showed that type of performance against the Chiefs last year because that was the team, like that Ravens team kicked ass last year. Their record against teams above.500 was really, really good. And they kicked, they kicked good teams ass last year. Whereas this year, between the right side of that offensive line and especially that past defense, that's not the same team. So they're going to need Lamar to carry more than he already kind of has during these regular seasons. They're going to need him to show up more in the postseason. And those are the questions that I have about Lamar right now. Can he do it? I think he can. But can he do it? Still is a question.
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Justin Pennock
And I agree. And I think that's a good reason to maybe put Lamar in the B tier. For me, I'm still not putting Stafford above him.
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Bobby Skinner
Right.
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Justin Pennock
Like you can say, oh well, Josh Allen hasn't made the Super Bowl. Okay. But look at the games that the Bills have Lost in their playoffs. Now, again, he's had some bad ones, too. The game against the Bengals two years ago, that was, that was a stinker of a game. You know, the, the first AFC championship with the Chiefs. He certainly didn't play well in that game. But the 2021 playoffs and this most recent year, like he's played, he's went above and beyond. I mean, he's probably had the best losing effort, quarterback, quarterbacking playoff performance in a long time, you know, in the 13 seconds game against the Chiefs. And with the new rules, he'd get a shot to match that at least. And hell, maybe they go for two and win the damn thing. Yeah, but, so I, I do, I listen. I think there's good arguments for putting Lamar in the B tier. I don't think Stafford's one playoff run is enough to move him over. Lamar as a performer.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah. I think you're also discounting the game against the Lions last year too, with that Rams team. That Rams team was all very talented.
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Justin Pennock
I'm not. It wasn't a playoff performance. I'm going to remember for the ages, it was a really good playoff game that they lost event. And essentially in the wild card round.
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Bobby Skinner
He did outplay golf. But that Lions team was just so much better. All right, so that's my A. You have Mahomes Allen. I don't think there's any debating that. I think some people would debate Allen, but I, I'm all. I'm also using the context of this season, too, and Allen's just kicking ass. I feel like the MVP goes back and forth between him and Lamar every single week. And I have Stafford third, and then you have Lamar and that a net. A tier.
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Justin Pennock
Yeah. So my B tier kicks off with Matthew Stafford and then has Justin Herbert at 5 and C.J. stroud at 6.
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Bobby Skinner
Oh, and my B, this is, we are very different.
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Justin Pennock
This is my elite tier. I haven't seen you do it in the like Stafford is. Again, he's borderline. Herbert and Stroud I view as elite quarterbacks, but I haven't seen them have playoff success. I know Stroud won a playoff game, but it's just, you know, are, you know, put together, win two playoff games before I put you in the A tier.
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Bobby Skinner
Right. So my B tier, I have Jordan Love at fourth. I have Baker Mayfield next.
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Justin Pennock
You have Jordan Love over Lamar Jackson.
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Bobby Skinner
I do, I do. This is in the context of the postseason. Yeah. But I feel like Jordan Love showed it, man. Showed it last year. Bald out. I like the gutsiness I like the ability to, I'm going to have the balls to make a throw and even if it's a mistake, I'm going to rely on my talent. I'm going to rely on my guys. So I have Jordan Love there, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, and then I have Lamar.
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Justin Pennock
I think Jordan Love has won one playoff game. I know if we had all, if we're talking like, man, this guy's just, hey, he may not be the best Cuban NFL, but he showed, he showed up in the playoffs year after year after year. I think you're taking a, like, if you, if you even hinted that Jordan Love is a better player than Lamar, you would definitely say that's crazy. And we have, at the end of the day, we have one playoff victory against and they, and they blew him out, you know, like it was part of the defense, you know, I think they intercepted what deck three times in the first half.
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Bobby Skinner
You don't think he played really well against the 49ers too?
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Justin Pennock
He did, but he also, at the end, you talk about two minute drill, end of the game, he threw a bad interception, you know, which again, I'm not, I'm not going to over judge him, but I need to see Jordan Love play at a more consistent level before I put him, Listen, I can make an argument for him in the B tier to put him above Lamar Jackson. I, I, I, I don't know if I'll ever be in that situation, but like, yeah, I got to see a lot more than what I've seen and just that playoff performance alone can't do it for me.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah. All right, well, what about Baker and Goff?
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Justin Pennock
I put, I mean, I put them in the seats here. They're, they're, I don't think they're elite quarterbacks. I think they're really good quarterbacks.
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Bobby Skinner
I think Baker need, need him to get this opportunity in the playoffs. I, I, I'm pretty confident they're going to, you know, they're going to get the AFC south, they'll have their home playoff game. Who are they projected to play right now, like if the season were to end? Do you know on the top of your head, like, who you, who you play, who you can look that up really quick.
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Justin Pennock
I believe the Vikings, fascinating matchup.
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Bobby Skinner
You know, both defenses kind of a similar aggressive manner. I think Baker's a baller man, and I think this year he's even better. He's already matched his touchdown total from last year. And we viewed last year as like this renaissance year, 6.4% touchdown rate, interception rate is a little bit higher, but a 70% completion rate, while the yards per attempt is a whole half yard better. And he's at a part of the year where Chris Godwin's hurt, Mike Evans is hurt. You know, the tight end, Kate Auton was, you know, their number one target for a couple of weeks there. So this isn't a perfect team. And certainly Baker's not a. Not a perfect quarterback. The sack rate's relatively low and it matches what he was doing last year. They're better on early downs. They have a better run game this year. So I think Baker, given that opportunity in the postseason, I think he has that moxie, I think he has that swagger, and I'm excited to see him in this year's postseason. I think he can win a postseason game.
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Justin Pennock
I am too. Like, listen, he's throwing through for 350 in both playoff games last year, and again he's second one finish on a bad interception. But it is what it is. But still, I'm. Again, I understand this is specific to the playoffs. I think elite QBs, even if they haven't had great playoff success, will find, you know, water finds its level. And I'm not, I'm not putting someone in Baker who I view as a really good QB above an elite quarterback. Like I do A. Stafford, Herbert, Stroud, Lamar.
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Bobby Skinner
Reel off your B tier. Your B tier again, I only have.
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Justin Pennock
Three, and this is not their B level players. It's. It's just B in this context.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah.
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Justin Pennock
Matthew Stafford, number four, Justin Herbert, number five, C.J. stroud, number six.
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Bobby Skinner
Who do you want to touch on first? Herbert or Herbert or Stroud?
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Justin Pennock
Maybe Herbert. Because people are like, oh, well, he can't win the. He's had one playoff game. It's that Jags game. He's had some pretty bad situations and I think we take for granted that he is elite because of the bad situations that he's been in.
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Bobby Skinner
Right. He's also had some bad fourth quarter moments and that's what kind of.
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Justin Pennock
Again, I have questions, but at the end of the day, I'm put. I'm putting an elite quarterback in that B tier and that's what I view as Justin Herbert, fair.
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Bobby Skinner
Herbert's the first quarter also had some.
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Justin Pennock
Great fourth quarter moments too, you know, like I've seen him make some unconscious throws in the fourth quarter as well, you know, so I, I like Herbert a lot. I. If you. I like him, I put him above CJ Stroud again. One playoff game where, hey, they put up some points in that one they just couldn't finish. You know, we fired Staley and Harbaugh's in here. They have no, they have no weapons. I mean, that offensive personnel is awful.
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Bobby Skinner
That's the thing.
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Justin Pennock
And he keeps them in a lot alive. So I just, I'm. I know Herbert is a little bit polarizing, but I just kind of don't care that people are going to be like, well, what does he won yet? Okay, that's sick. What did. What, you know, what did Baker Mayfield win?
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Bobby Skinner
Right.
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Justin Pennock
This time last year?
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Bobby Skinner
Right. For sure. Yeah. I have Herbert as the first QB in my, in my seat here. And I, I very much, like, I could very much be very okay with flip flopping him to putting him behind Lamar and my rankings in the B. Like, I'm, I'm very okay with that if, if you really put a gun to my head.
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Justin Pennock
So how many. What is your B tier and how many are in there? I had three staff. What's yours, Love?
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Bobby Skinner
Baker, Golf, and then Lamar. I want to talk about Stroud.
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Justin Pennock
Okay, so you have. I want to talk. I want to touch on Lamar Stroud. I don't have much to touch on. He's. He's had some struggles this year, but he's so young. I'm not gonna be. I don't. I'm not gonna have the strongest take in the world. You have Lamar eighth. You think his playoff performance, like, you're basically saying he's a choke artist and I have no faith in him to do anything.
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Bobby Skinner
He's in a B tier, man.
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Justin Pennock
Yeah, but you put him eighth below guys like golf and Baker and Love.
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Bobby Skinner
I just think they're, they're possible postseason runs and their own QB play in the. Lamar's got to prove to me. Lamar's got to prove to me, man. And I'm a huge. I'm a, I'm a Lamar, Stan. And I want him to kind of prove me wrong in this context. Like, there's no other QB that I'm rooting for more, but just based on past evidence, based on even the teams that they're on right now, I would put those QBs ahead of Lamar. Not based on talent. I'm not saying that Lamar Jackson, like Jared Goff, is a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson, Baker, Mayfield, Jordan, Love, none of those guys. Even Stafford, who I have an A.
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Justin Pennock
Yeah, but you're, but you can't say all this. Okay, so he's like, listen, I think he's not performed to the expectation we expect in the playoffs. But you're just like this, this is like he is, he's warm blooded when it gets to the playoffs. Like he just can't handle the pressure when it matters the most.
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Bobby Skinner
I would, if I really believe that I would have him in C or.
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Justin Pennock
D. Let's talk about C. Yeah. So for me, this is my number 7 through 12, Jared Goff at 7, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz. Okay, this is my, I can definitely see you getting to the super bowl tier. Maybe not this year, right? I don't see, I don't see Gino getting to the super bowl with this Seahawks team. I don't see Baker getting to the Super Bowl. I don't see Jayden Daniels getting to the Super Bowl. But this is my, like if you're on a really good team, I can see you in the super bowl tier and playing really well. But I don't think you're going to be better than the other team's quarterback.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah, that's fair. I think I approach it the same way. And I'm going to talk about something right after I give my C tier. Justin Herbert, I was that first guy. Jalen Hertz, I have as the second. C.J. stroud is the third, Sam Darnold and then Geno Smith.
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Justin Pennock
All right, talk to us about, why don't you talk to us about something.
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Bobby Skinner
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Justin Pennock
You'll be glad you did so again I describe this as the get to the super bowl. Possibly not this year. Right. Like I don't again, I said Baker, Gino and Jaden, they to me, they have no chance or very little chance of getting to the super bowl this year. But I think if you put these guys on the Lions, packers or Eagles roster like Hertz, Goff and Lavar, they would have that opportunity to be there. And I again, I think you can go there. I think you can win super bowl mvp. But I think when you view the AFC quarterbacks, no matter what, you're probably going to be the lesser quarterback on the field that day.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah.
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Justin Pennock
Because this is for me, this is all NFC team. These are, these are literally six NFC quarterbacks for me.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah, I have three of them out of the five are NFC quarterbacks. And then Stroud and Herbert as my other two. I know you said you didn't really want to talk about Stroud. I have some pretty strong feelings on CJ Stroud and that Houston Texans offense this year. They've been a very under talked about team when they've been extremely, extremely disappointing. If you look at EPA per play in the fourth quarter, I mean you have to go down to 32nd this year to find C.J. stroud. You know, and part of this list is, you know, being in clutch, being clutch in the playoffs. I think C.J. stroud is a clutch quarterback. I think he's a very, very good quarterback, but still a great ability to make a lot of great throws. But this offense for Houston has really, I think, disappointed him. And I think they have reached between the health, the health issues, maybe Bobby Slowik isn't the mastermind that we all thought that he maybe would be. I think that Houston Texans offense, I think they may be a wild card and out. I think they will be a wild card and out team this year in the postseason. So that's why I have Stroud third. Just not the same juice that we saw the rookie year. Who do you want to go to next?
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Justin Pennock
We talked about where's Stroud overall in your rankings?
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Bobby Skinner
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Ninth.
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Justin Pennock
Ninth. Okay. I haven't six. You have a ninth. Yeah, mine would be that we talked. Love Jared Goff again. I think everyone but Lions fans would agree with us on where we have him. And again he's, he's number seven for me in this. Where do you. Let's talk about Jalen Hurts. So I have Jalen hurts at. At 12.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah.
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Justin Pennock
They have the 31st passing offense in the NFL. They've invested so Much money into weapons around that. They should be. There should be no. If the criticism of them should be like, yeah, it's good. It's really good passing offense, but what quarterback wouldn't? Instead, they're like, actually having issues of the passing game when there should. There should be none. Like, there. There should be no issues there at all. But here's the thing is, I don't understand what happened to 2022. Jalen hurts again.
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Bobby Skinner
I want.
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Justin Pennock
If there was. If there was some regression, it'd be like, okay, but he played so well that year. And then, listen, in the playoff games, he didn't have to do much. But that regular season, he played. He quarterbacked great. He was making the right decision nonstop. The super bowl, he played extremely well. Extremely well. Is it simply just Shane Steichen? Like, is it. Is it just Shane Steichen's not there and not giving him the answers to the test? The teams adjust. Like, I just. The Eagles should not be having these. They've won nine straight. And there's like, you know, talk radio there. You know, Brandon Graham is throwing people, you know, players under the bus and, like, what the hell is going on there?
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Bobby Skinner
I think it also starts with your leadership, too, right? I don't think they have a good leader to that team. And Nick Sirianni, who that team has stayed afloat and they've succeeded in spite of him, you know, adding, you know, adding Kellen Moore is better than what they've. Better than what they had last year. And, you know, Vic Vangio has really lit a spark under that young defense, and some of those players are really starting to get it now. The difference between Hertz last year is that he was genuinely just bad, taking a million sacks. There's no quick game in that offense. The run game isn't as good as what it wasn't, as good as what it was last year or this year. Right? So Hertz has fixed some of the bad issues that he's had last year, but now the conversation has come, well, what can you do to separate yourself and what can you do to kind of at times put the team on your back and make that throw? Like, and part of. Part of this tier maker for me, and how I originally worded it before we changed it to through like A, through D, can you make that throw and can you be that dude in the postseason? And there's just way more evidence this is how Jalen Hurts has played quarterback the last two years. 2022, he made those throws. He was that dude. There's been way more evidence the last two years, though, that there are so many other guys that you would rather have making that throw and being that dude for you than Jalen Hurts. He's also barely attempted to throw the ball when trailing or down. Like when? Two minutes ago or less or four minutes to go or less. They've barely been down in games. And you just know in a postseason game, there may be a situation where you're tied or you're trailing and it's not going to be Saquon Barkley that's going to save the day. It's going to have to be Jalen Hurts. And how do you Eagles fans feel about that? Probably not awesome.
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Justin Pennock
Let's eliminate the Tush push, even though you can't. Who would you rather have quarterback in that Eagles team, Geno Smith or Jalen Hertz?
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Bobby Skinner
Oh, man, that's a. I mean, with the concepts that they run where it's really downfield. Right. With the weapons, I would take Geno kind of.
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Justin Pennock
Yeah. Which is crazy. Which is crazy. Two years ago I was the Hertz defender. I was like, I don't like you say whatever you want about weapons. He's operating this flawlessly. And it just hasn't been that since Jaden. I got. I gotta see it in the playoffs before I put. I have him at 11. I just got to see it in the playoffs. I know the Commanders haven't been as fun recently, even though they smacked the out of the Titans and then had their bye week. So that's my C tier is 7 through 12. Golf. Love Mayfield, Gino, Jaden Daniels. And then Jalen hurts at 12. Even though I think the Eagles have the second best chance. Actually, no. We talked about the packers and Vikings might have a good chance to get out of there, but.
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Bobby Skinner
Right.
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Justin Pennock
All right, so that means we have one tier left. That's the D tier.
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Bobby Skinner
That's the D tier.
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Justin Pennock
How many do you have in the D tier?
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Bobby Skinner
I have four.
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Justin Pennock
I have four as well, too. I hope so. That would be my 13 through 16. 13. Russell Wilson?
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Bobby Skinner
Same.
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Justin Pennock
14. Sam Darnold. 15. Bo Nicks. 16. Kirk Cousins. This is my. I don't believe in you to lead your team to the super bowl. And if you did, it would be an amazing story of how everyone else on that roster did so well.
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Bobby Skinner
Yeah, I put the two rookies down here just because I want to see it. I got to see something. You know, I don't want to make a proclamation about any of these guys. I'm excited to see them in A postseason environment, I think both of them can maybe even do a little bit. Well. I have Russ. I have Russ 13th as well. Then I have Jaden Daniels, then I have Bo Nicks, and I have. If I could make an E and an F tier, I would put Kirk Cousins on there because I just. I just don't believe in Kirk Cousins right now. And you know, he could still throw the ball somewhat well, but he can't move and he's making these bad decisions and all that shit.
- [25:33]
Justin Pennock
If Kirk. If this was Kirk Cousins before the injury, he. I think he'd be top of the C tier for me. Now he's like, it's just. It's really ugly. And again, you see high. Like you watch this most recent game, you see high level quarterback and stuff, but he can't move, he can't push off. And he has these interceptions where they're not just a bad decision, it's just like, you know, layup duck paired with bad decision interceptions, like leading the league in interceptions this year.
- [26:00]
Bobby Skinner
All right, so now Steelers fans are mad at us once again because we're disrespecting the Pittsburgh Steelers and we're disrespecting Russell Wilson. We both have him in the same spot and in the same ranking. A part of that for me is we've barely seen him throw the ball in the fourth quarter this year. Like, it's actually kind of crazy where I think like 49 attempts that he's had in the fourth quarter this year. So I kind of equated this as like a clutch list. And I think Russell Wilson can be clutch. We've seen him be freaking clutch. He was literally won a Super bowl, right? Went to another one, was at the doorstep of winning a second one. I just don't fully. I don't fully believe it. In the postseason and especially when you're in the afc, like you said, basically any quarterback, if you. If you face Lamar, I give Lamar Jackson the edge. Right. If you're playing CJ Stroud, even though I think the Texans have issues, I give CJ Stroud the QB edge. If you're facing Josh Allen or Mahomes, of course you're giving them the edge. So Russ in a little bit of a tough spot.
- [27:00]
Justin Pennock
Yeah, I want to believe in Russ. You know, when after that first year in Denver, I was like, is he just bad now? Like, that's hard to believe. I. And hey, some of this is the Steelers offensive personnel, right? Maybe with. Maybe if he had the Eagles personnel, we'd be much higher On Russ, sure. I need to see a awesome game versus an awesome defense, and I don't think we've seen that yet. First for Russ, we haven't seen these bad games versus good defenses, but we haven't seen the awesome game against a good defense. You know where his best games are against the Bengals, terrible. You know, the Giants, he played well. The jets. And then outside of that, he's thrown 200 yards or less, essentially.
- [27:40]
Bobby Skinner
Yeah, he said two game against the Browns. I mean, this past weekend he won.
- [27:44]
Justin Pennock
But he's certainly an upgrade again. And I, I listen, I think this Steelers team is capable of making a run. I absolutely do. I think the defense is that good and I think Russ is running that offense the way it should. But yeah, I don't think he's lifting you up the way the quarterbacks I have ahead of him.
- [28:01]
Bobby Skinner
Right.
- [28:01]
Justin Pennock
And listen, I could move. I can move Russ up two or three spots, but nonetheless, I just, I'm gonna. If the Steelers, Vikings, Broncos or Falcons make it, I just don't think it's. We're going to be talking. We will be because there's a quarterback league. I don't think we're talking about like these great quarterbacks that led their teams. I think it's just going to be like, this is a great team effort.
- [28:22]
Bobby Skinner
Yeah. Yeah. If you're mad at me for having Russell Wilson below Geno Smith and Sam Darnold, I'll give you that. You know, hey, I'll move them up behind, but I'm not.
- [28:30]
Justin Pennock
What do you. What do you got? So, yeah, over san, like, are you buying into the Sam Darnold shit? We talk about how the Vikings offense looks, makes everybody look good. Like, are you. Are. I'm not, I'm not bought into that.
- [28:43]
Bobby Skinner
No.
- [28:43]
Justin Pennock
If the Vikings decide that they want to resign him, then I would. But it's. Everything that's being. Being signaled out there is like, no, we're not resigning this guy. So it's like if he was really that guy, then they would be like, hey, I understood. We drafted a quarterback, we found a guy. Okay. We're not going to, we're not going to let that go for an unknown.
- [29:02]
Bobby Skinner
I want to see what their schedule is because I think they have some big games. I mean, they play the Bear, Seahawks, packers and Lions. How if they finish the season really freaking strong and they, you know, maybe even they go back to back weeks of playing the packers and the line strong or maybe even beating one or both of them, then I'll like, I'll I'll buy into a. You know, I believe momentum's a thing in sports. I really do. And if they could heat up late in the season with that really, really tough schedule, you're on the road against Seattle, and then you play Green Bay at home, and then you're on the road against the Lions January 5th, that game probably will mean. Maybe will mean something for seating. I'll buy into it a little bit more, but right now, not. I think they're good, but I'm not super bought in yet.
- [29:51]
Justin Pennock
Right. All right, so let's recap. Go from 16 to one for us. So D tier for me, 16, starting with Kirk Cousins, Bo Nick, Sam Darnold, Russell Wilson, 13 through 7 and the C tier. Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniels, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Jordan Love. And then Jared Goff at 7, the B tier. You know which I should have went 1 through 16. I'm gonna go 1 through 16. A tier, Mahomes, Alan Lamar, B tier 4 through 6. Stafford, Herbert Stroud, C tier 7 through 12. Goff, Love, Baker, Gino, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts. And then my last four, Russell Wilson, Sam, Donald, Bo, Nick and Kirk Cousins.
- [30:28]
Bobby Skinner
Starting with the A, Mahomes, Allen Stafford, B. Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Lamar Jackson. Going down to C, Jalen Herz, CJ Stroud, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, and then D. I have Russell Wilson, Jaden Daniels, Bo Nicks and Kirk Cousins. Please leave a comment and let us know how dumb we are.
- [30:51]
Justin Pennock
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