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Marion Jones
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Jay Glazer
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Greg Rosenthal
What'S up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Israel Gutierrez
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
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Marion Jones
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions today.
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Israel Gutierrez
The warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to love.
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Marion Jones
For what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that Mount Rushmore.
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Israel Gutierrez
Come revisit this magical warriors ride. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Marion Jones
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Jay Glazer
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glaser, a mental wealth podcast.
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Marion Jones
Build you from the inside out.
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Jay Glazer
Now here's Jay Glaser. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and joining me now is somebody who, you know, everybody loves a redemption story, and redemption's on us. I always have a saying. You never know what lies around. Next Tuesday. The next Tuesday. Your life can change. Go for the bed. Or can you can make a choice and make your life get back on a track you never even knew it would lead to. That's a pretty good way to intro our next guest, Marion Jones, who was one time labeled the fastest woman alive, had five medals, you'll have to correct me, five Olympic medals. And life spiraled. Had some drug issues, was involved in balco, did some prison time. But before we hit that, because I always want to do the redemptions first and then go back to it, you have used all your experiences to now come up with a new podcast it's just launched called Second Wind, which. Which I love, obviously with who you are, but kind of dive into how this all came about.
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Marion Jones
Yeah. Jay, well, thank you for having me on. It's nice to meet you. It has been an incredible ride, to say the least. There's not many people in this world, I think, that can truly say that they have hit one of the. One of the peaks of their career. Right. And. And I certainly did, or at least I thought that was the peak of my career, because I am, of course, on my second wind. And then, you know, choices and life and things happen and you kind of lose it all. And you wonder for a short period of time, Jay, like. Like, what's next? Like, where am I going after all of this? You know, what does redemption look like for me? And then you just grind and you bounce back and you pick yourself up and you figure it out and you learn tools on not only how to cope, but how to push through even further. And so that's where we're at now. Yes. So, you know, alongside my friend and business partner, Suzanne Evans, we've launched Second Window, which launched on March 18. And really what it is is a podcast for everybody, Jay. It's for people whom, again, have caught a bad break, have made a poor choice, which I think encompasses most people on this Earth. Right. And you're right. And then you come back and your second win. And so we chat with entrepreneurs and celebrities and athletes and people whom I feel like are on their second win. And have just really inspired. Inspiring story to share and it's been something that has been my in my wheelhouse for many years and it's come to fruition this year and I'm so excited about it.
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Marion Jones
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- [05:57]
Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Julie Stewart Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the Energy Line.
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Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait to see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do? Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Nate Thompson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Listen to EnergyLine with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [07:27]
Israel Gutierrez
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
- [07:37]
Jay Glazer
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
- [07:42]
Israel Gutierrez
From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest decisions in the history of the sport, I just felt.
- [07:50]
Jay Glazer
Like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
- [07:58]
Israel Gutierrez
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
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Marion Jones
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it, come.
- [08:12]
Israel Gutierrez
Revisit this magical warriors ride. This is dove Dynasty.
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Jay Glazer
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
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Israel Gutierrez
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jay Glazer
I like to say I'm up and I'm good with my upness. You know, I, I'm very open about everything I've ever done or my issues. And I, I thing it was really trying to. I wrote a mental health book a few years ago called Unbreakable because I'm like the center of dudism. I'm football fighting ballers. No one's questioning my manhood, so I could. The more I talk about things, the more I felt I think I'm being of service and it's helping in between my ears. So I appreciate somebody coming on and saying, hey, this is what this is. Why this. I got, you know, a bunch of different questions for you. So let's go back obviously to when you're the fastest woman in the world. Were you the fastest woman in the world without the use of drugs? And if you were, what got you to use them?
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Marion Jones
Yeah, the answer is I, I certainly believe that, you know, without making the choices to me, without making the choices to do certain things, that I would have been considered the fastest woman in the world. And that's simply just based off facts. This is not me guessing, this is not my opinion. This is the fact that from the time I was in age group track to the time when I Decided to step away from the sport I was dominating. And there was a certain amount of time in that where, you know, 20, 21, 22 years old. Right. And. Right. Like the world is on a silver platter to me. And I'm making choices in regards to whom I'm surrounding myself with. And it's one of the things I tell my clients and that I share with young people and young athletes, aspiring athletes. Be very careful, as you know, Jay, the company that you keep and surround yourself with people who are going to lift you up and not just try and take from you. And it's very easy when you're that age and you're making a lot of money.
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Jay Glazer
A lot of crawdads. Yeah, a lot of crawdads.
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Marion Jones
Yes. I like to say, you know, like, just it's very easy for people to take, take, take. And I just made choices and didn't ask questions about supplements that were given to me and all the, like, I didn't ask questions. I just trusted people. But again, to answer your initial question, do I think right, like, you know, I could have won the gold medals and the bronze medals and all the success that came my way without having been given certain stuff? Yes. Right. And so I always like to clear up, though, Jay, when we're sharing the story, like, the facts of it, and that is that, like, in all of it, like, did I sit down and take anything, like, knowingly thinking that that was going to make me faster? The answer is no. Besides, what I thought was all natural right now, my issue, right. And I like to clear this up for people don't know the story or don't remember the story or whatever. My issue is that I made choices years later to lie about what I was given once I found out what it was. And I lied to federal investigators, which is always a no, no. Right. And because of that, Jay. Right. I accepted my sentence of six months incarceration. But again, like, there's no excuses, like, I messed up, paid the consequences. But, you know, in all I like to say, man, do I wish I could go back and do things slightly different. Sure. But I would be right as you, Jay. You wouldn't be the man that you are today without having gone through some. And I would not be the woman that I am today without the same. And so in a, in a way, in a really effed up, odd type of way, I am grateful for the hiccups. I'm grateful for the bumps because, one, you quickly realize who your true circle is, right. When you have Nothing to provide for them. Right. Except who you are. Right. Like, there was a period of time where there was no gifts being shared. Right. There was no success being had. And the people who were through it with me, through it all and who are with me, those are the people you hang on to. So just. I always, like, always like to give that little bit of tidbit of information.
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Jay Glazer
I love that because I. People this podcast know I say all the time, I'm most proud of my scars.
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Marion Jones
Oh, yeah.
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Jay Glazer
Right. So look, I'm. I'm in the TV hall of fame. I was the second guy in the NFL to fight professionally in mixed martial arts. I had an Emmy. You. I never talk about him. Well, I just did right there. But, yeah, but I never talk about it. I always talk about the. I've overcome, you know, the grind and the grind and the grind and the grind and the hours of work and people don't see or, you know, training guys with 12 ruptures in my back and, you know, breaking my nose seven times in my. The scars are. That's our equity, and we all have them. I mean, so for you to embrace them, I think it's amazing that you do it. What got you to. Because a lot of people. Resentment, resentful. Their scars and experiences. What was the pivot for you to go? You know what? I can either be, you know, just furious that this all happened, or I could use it to be of service. What was that pivot for you?
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Marion Jones
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, there was a brief moment, and I think we all go through it when you just sit in disbelief. You're pissed off with yourself. You're pissed off.
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Jay Glazer
Yeah.
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Marion Jones
And then once you get past that point, you're like, okay. Right. Like, I also think. Let me tell you, Jane, I'll answer your question in a moment, but I also think that, you know, you realize that. Oh, I do. At least that I must have just been. Because I'm a believer. Right. And I think that you're not ever given more than what you can handle. I also think that my background in sport at the highest level has kind of given me certain tools to handle stress and to handle hard times. And that's not to say that everybody who wasn't an athlete can't, of course, but I think that I have a leg up, an advantage when it comes to that.
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Julie Stewart Banks
But.
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Marion Jones
Right. Like, that's my life. Right. Like I teach my clients now, you need to embrace the discomfort. Right. Because that's when the true growth happens. Right. If you're like, oh, this hurts, or, oh, this is uncomfortable. Okay. But, like, I get to that. You get to that moment where you're like, you know what? How. How can I use this for the good and not just the good to make me better or, you know, like, financially sound, but, like, how can I use this mess? And we've heard the term many times, how can I turn this mess into just a message to help people? You're there, Jay. You've been there. It's what you do, right? Like, the hope. The goal is that, you know, only I have to go through stuff and not everybody, right? People are going to go, right, Right. How can I turn this mess into just a message for people not to have to go through it?
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Jay Glazer
We go through this pain to help others through theirs.
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Marion Jones
That is my fuel. I talk fuel now. I'll tell you for a few reasons. J1, I'm almost 50. I'm going to turn 50 this year. It's crazy, crazy to think that, but I'm embarking on a new physical challenge, which I haven't had since I retired from sport, however many years ago, and that I'm starting to do some triathlons. I'm starting to focus on an endurance sport, which I know nothing about, right? Like, my sport of choice was quick move here. And so the idea, at the age of 50, I'm going to tackle a sport that I've had so much respect for for decades, an endurance sport. So I mentioned the word fuel because that's all that triathletes talk about, making sure you fuel your workouts, making sure you fuel your competition, but now making sure that I fuel my community, right? Like, I give them the tools on how to not only cope with their shits, right? Like, face it head on and deal with it, but, like, move forward. And when was that necessarily moment for me when I realized that either they're effed over or they make choices to do it to themselves? Resonates with everybody. It's not just women. It's not just people of color, like, whatever. It's everybody. And so this idea that my story, which is very personal, and there's moments even when I sit, I'm like, man, the amount of people that I think need to hear it are hearing it, and they're like, yes, we don't stay stuck in our stuff. Failure is not forever. Our setbacks. And it's kind of my mantra now, Jay. Like, our setbacks can be the catalyst for our biggest comeback in life, right? You don't have to stay there I hate it. I'll tell you, I hate it when I hear people say, oh, I don't know, way out. Like, I don't know, way out. Okay, the first is for you to look in the mirror, right? And for you to say yes. Like, I. I made a mess of this situation. I acknowledge it, you apologize, you do whatever you got to do with your people, with your family. Let's handle it. Like, what are the tools to get you out of your stuff? Right? No, don't stay there. It's huge for me.
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Jay Glazer
So I am the king of self sabotage. And like, my mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, my bipolar, everything, always tell me I'm not worthy of things. So I will sabotage. Because the pain of living in question for when it's going to end is worse than an ending. I'll speed up him. So I know I've done it, and I've done a ton of work on this. I just got married last year. I wouldn't have been able to get married to this amazing, beautiful Rosie Tennyson had I not done this work and be able to deal with that. But I understood why I'm sabotaging. Have you figured out the why you decided to do what you did then? Because obviously you said we offer some. Some. Was it trusting people? Was it you saying, no, I don't. Is it unworthiness thing? Kind of dive deep with beer?
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Marion Jones
Yeah, Jay, you know, it's a little bit of all of that. It's a little bit of this idea. And again, I don't. I'm cautious to, like, excuse, excuse, excuse. I don't. I don't see any of this as that. I see. These are just me identifying, like, along the way. You know, I am a product of an incredible single parent household, right? Like, my mom is a. Is. Was. Will always be a rock star. She. She came to this country to create a better life for herself and her two kids, my older brother and I. So I didn't. I didn't have a. A father figure in the house. So when I decided, right, I graduated from college, I had a lot of success. And again, success hit me very fast. At the age of 21 years old, I was. I was a. A young student athlete at the University of North Carolina. And when I graduated, like, success hit me like that. In regards to money, in regards to fame, in regards to man, I'm physically gifted. I'm being able to use this for all of this. And I find that at that time, right, when people are telling you how great you are, how Great you are, Marian. And patting you on the back. And they become, yes. People. You know, I mean, those are people that are going to say yes to you no matter what. Do you call them Jay Nibblers? Right, Right. And you start to be like, oh, I like this. Right. And you distance yourself from the people in your life who are going to give it to you straight. And it's probably, you know, success happening so fast. Me was probably the worst thing that could happen. As opposed to it be a slow, hard climb, right? No, hit me. Hit me so fast. And so because of that, I can identify, like certain reasons why and all of that.
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Jay Glazer
By the way, Marin also won the NCAA tournament for North Carolina, which is why she has her jersey back there. People. What, what's the difference in euphoria when you win an NCAA tournament and won a gold medal?
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Marion Jones
Oh, oh, that's a great question. They're both so incredibly satisfying. The one, the gold medal for an individual event is special because it's you versus the clock. Right? Like, yes, you have the support of your family and your friends, but literally it's a lonely, lonely journey. Individual event at the games. Right. I find that the more success you get in the life, the lonelier your journey has been. But with a team sport and a national championship, it has created a. A sisterhood.
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Jay Glazer
Right.
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Marion Jones
That is unbreakable. We celebrated our 30 plus year anniversary, which is crazy again, to think. Jay, incredible. Like if we, if I get those 13 other women next to me right now, it'll feel like I'm 17, 18 years old. It was an incredible moment. Anyways. Yeah, that's, that's a special, special time for me. Before the chaos and crazy of life.
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- [22:19]
Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top one on one, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [22:49]
Israel Gutierrez
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a Decade.
- [22:59]
Jay Glazer
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
- [23:03]
Israel Gutierrez
From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport, I just.
- [23:11]
Jay Glazer
Felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
- [23:20]
Israel Gutierrez
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
- [23:27]
Marion Jones
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it, come.
- [23:33]
Israel Gutierrez
Revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.
- [23:37]
Jay Glazer
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
- [23:41]
Israel Gutierrez
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [23:53]
Julie Stewart Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
- [24:03]
Nate Thompson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share and believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
- [24:10]
Julie Stewart Banks
Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the energy line.
- [24:22]
Nate Thompson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [24:43]
Nate Thompson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [24:46]
Julie Stewart Banks
Listen to energy line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [24:53]
Jay Glazer
So I always like to say that the secret of greatness is really the amount of work you put in when no one's watching. You have a wrestling background. Nobody watches us. We're usually cafeteria somewhere. You know, it's just filthy, grimy, cutting weights, disgusting, but that it's maybe wild. And you're kind of saying the same, a little bit same thing about track and field. But tell me about what it takes to be the best in track and feel those hours that the rest of us don't see.
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Marion Jones
Well, I'll start sharing this part of the story with a little. With a little story for you. An example. So when I was training, I trained back in North Carolina. After I graduated, I stayed there for a bit and trained, and I would get to the track, right? Like, again, it's a lonely. Lonely at the top is lonely, right? And people who are like, you know, how do you find success? I'm going to tell you. Are you. Are you prepared? Right.
- [25:44]
Jay Glazer
No one's willing to get up when you're getting up and all.
- [25:46]
Marion Jones
Nobody knows the pain. Nobody knows restless nights when those legs can't, like, relax or your brain or your body. Anyways, that's. That's again, a whole other story.
- [25:56]
Jay Glazer
But I like to hear this, though. This one we want to hear.
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Marion Jones
Yeah. So I would get to the track every single workout. Every single workout. It would get there early, always before everybody else. Like, I don't. I mean, there are millions of elite athletes who tell you the same. Like, it's just part of who we are. Because I need to process it, right? I need to process the setting. I need to process, like, who's gonna show up that day. I know who's gonna show up. But, hey, get in that frame of mind. I always like to train early so that there's no more distractions in the day. I'm not opening mail and seeing something. I'm not opening up the paper back then and seeing something, right? It was social media. Thankfully, I'm a Jeep lover, so I'd sit in my Jeep and I flip down my visor J. And I'd look at myself in that mirror, I'm by myself and I'd say, marion, who's gonna show up today? Is anybody in the world gonna train better than you? Harder than you, faster than you, smarter than you? I would flip it down, I'd make my way out to the track. Two, three, four hours later, I get, I get back in the jeep, open up the visor, and I will tell you in this, in the career span of over a decade, right? And I'm being honest with you, I open up that visor and a no more than a handful of five times, right? I looked at myself and I was like, nobody today, right? Nobody today. Now I don't know why those five times, right? Like I'm always kick myself. It's one of the reason I have many sleepless nights, like, why that one day who showed up. But that's just how I am even now with what I do, right? Like I'm always like, how to make it bigger, how to impact more people's lives. And it is a, it is a, it is a, it's a pressure situation. But again, I feel like not everybody in this life, Jay, has been given certain things to impact the masses, right? And no, I'm not a God. I'm not here with God complex or any of that. But we all have our strengths in life, right? And it's our responsibility. One we've been once we've been handed them at birth, to research it, to work on it, to make it better, to impact more people. And I'm always like, oh, did you do it today? Did you, did you put in the hours today? Even now? No, it's not like training at the level that I did before, although now it is for triathlete a little bit. But now it's other things. It's impacting the lives of the people in my community. We have social media, which has been a whole other beast in having to figure out now, Jay, like, we didn't grow up with that shit, right? I wish we could go back in time, right?
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Jay Glazer
And like we go back in time and uninvented.
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Marion Jones
But then again for people like, I speak with a lot of entrepreneurs about like how to be successful in business and how to come back from loss, whether it's financial or whatever. And I have so many clients who are like our age and a little bit older who are so anti social media, right? If you're wishing and hoping that we're gonna like, it's it's gonna be a fad, right? No, it's gonna be a thing. Like you. You must not want your business to thrive.
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Jay Glazer
Right, Right.
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Marion Jones
You better figure that out. I. I had to figure that thing out during COVID I'm also a trainer. Like, love health. I love fitness. You know, I love wellness. And I was a trainer for a lot number of years. And Covid hit and my background in technology, I didn't grow up with the computer in my house. Right. Like, we used to have the little, I don't know, cameras where you would take to Walgreens and they, you know, those type of cameras. And so.
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Jay Glazer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The little disposable ones. Yeah.
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Marion Jones
But I made a decision, like, this is my. I love it. It's my passion. I want to help people. And you mean that something has happened in the world, and I'm going to. Because I always see things as an opportunity. People can look at things and be like, woe is me. I'm like, no. How can I make this opportunity? Right? And so when Covid hit and I couldn't be in person with clients, Right. And I'm like, you mean I have the idea and the ability now to train people from around the world?
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Jay Glazer
Right.
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Marion Jones
Like, what.
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Jay Glazer
Yeah. What is this zoom thing?
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Marion Jones
Yeah. And. And so in the height of zoom, I was training to 300 clients at one time.
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Jay Glazer
Wow, Jay.
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Marion Jones
I had like 10, 11 pages that I would have to scroll through. People were listening to me. I'm like, hey, turn your camera on if you want. If you want me to be able to help your form. Right. And we get through this workout. And so I'm having to scroll through anyways. The whole point of that is that you have to embrace. We go back to. It's uncomfortable. The difference. I was up at 4:45 this morning, and I have my other thing, like, I have the podcast and I have my business of training entrepreneurs, but I still double in my fitness training. I was up in 445 because I love it. Find your passion, right? And don't let anybody, like, say you can't do it. You know, all those type of things. I mean, anyways, you can hear the, like when we talk about certain stuff, you can hear that I'm just passionate about.
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Jay Glazer
Yeah.
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Marion Jones
And it exudes from me. And I tell my clients, if that. If. If. If you don't have a passion, if you're not selling something that you love, that you'd be okay with not making any money at. Make it exude from your pores. When you walk into the room. Do you have a certain confidence about you before you even open your mouth?
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Jay Glazer
Right.
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Marion Jones
Yes. And. And create what I call. And I was talking to a group earlier today, Jay. Like, create a sticky memory with people, right? Like create something in your business, in your world that people are going to think back on and be like, oh, like this chick, something about her. Like, I want to know more about her. Like, I want to like, rob, like just like rubber shoulder and hopefully, right? And you know, you just get people to say, we don't got to be stuck. We don't care who you are. We don't care if you're on the COVID of Vogue magazine and lost it. All, right? There's still something incredible about you that the world should hear and just make it happen. So that's.
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Jay Glazer
So when did you. When what was the thing that got you to make that switch from. I don't know if you were resentful or pissed or. Or had a pity party, whatever it was, to this second wind.
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Marion Jones
Well, you know what?
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Jay Glazer
I. I'm proud of you for this version.
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Marion Jones
Thank you, Jay. Well, I like to say, well, I had a lot of downtime in my six month vacation.
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Jay Glazer
I do want to ask you about that. Go ahead.
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Marion Jones
No, I just had something to reflect. And again, I'm gonna make the best of every situation I. I stepped out of.
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Jay Glazer
Well, most tend to go with the pity party route. And again, it keeps going that way or something. Usually trips us to make to go the other way going, you know what? I'm gonna use my pain to help others through theirs.
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Marion Jones
And let me tell you what that moment was, Jay. Right. Like when I 1 when I stepped out of the facility in Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas, that was the federal institution I was housed in. I won. Stepped out of there. The best shape in my life. Okay. Really, Because I had so much time like, like movement and exercise. That is my stress reliever. And I don't care if you keep me in solitary, which I was for 49 days, right. If you keep me stuck in a small space, unless you put me in a. In a shark cage, right.
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Jay Glazer
I'm gonna push up squats, push ups and squats, shadow box and everything. Yep, yep.
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Marion Jones
Jay and I became friends with the guards and they would slip me an extra peanut butter and banana to make sure I had some fuel.
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Jay Glazer
Right.
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Marion Jones
Anyways. But in those quiet, dark hard times, I like to say I and was able to reflect because things before I was on this wave. Right. Listen to this example. I'm on this wave, and it just takes you further and further out sometimes where you can't touch the bottom, and you're just kind of treading and you're kind of existing and surviving, and you're moving away from. From, like, the reality of the ground and the earth, right? And so you're making decisions, and it's quick, and you're not right. But now, like, the wave had brought me back, and I'm on the shore, and I'm like, you know what? How did I get to be to the. How did I get here, right? But more important, like, what was my mother, right, who sacrificed so much, right, and left this small third world country and made the decision at whatever age. I don't know how old she was when she came here with my older brother. And she's like, you know what? Like, I don't. I don't know. But I've heard. I've read that it can give a better life for me and my babies, right? Like, how does. How if I'm here sulking about them, stuck, I'm stuck. And my mom, right, who has a hard childhood, just says, you know what? I don't care. I'm gonna do it. I don't know what the future holds, but I know it's got to be better than where I'm at right now. And that was my inspiration, right? That one, right? Like, the dream that my mom had, right, for her babies, right? To be a success, to make a real impact in this life was not going to go unheard, right? And that was my fuel, really. And it was the first time. And I give the story about the wave and the treading water so you can get some context. Like, I'm moving fast, and there's chaos, and I needed. I needed a moment of stillness, right? And it was prison for me. I hope. My hope is that it's not for others, right? But that. That's for me. Sometimes you just need to be like, you need your. You slow your ass down, and you need to get away from that world of chaos and say, who am I? But more importantly, who do I want to be? Who do I want to be in this world, right? Do I want to just be remembered as the fast. To me, like, the idea of being remembered as the fastest woman in the world. There was a time, Jay, when I was like, yeah, that's what I want to be remembered at, right? When you're. And you get to a certain age where you're like, man, I want to be remembered for, like, a human who sacrificed and like, made real impact in the lives of people. Like, you get to a place in your life when that is what you aspire to do and to be. And that is, to me. And people will say, it's so true. I mean, it is. It is the feeling, the knowing that, like, okay, I had to go through stuff and my. My. My time away and what I've had to deal with with the public and, like, fighting for my name back and, like, all that type of stuff in my reputation, it's been a hard one. But, man, when. When people hear this story and they're like, wait, if she can do this and she can pull herself up and she bounce back and she can be here and there and everywhere and now getting an opportunity and a platform to share her story. When there were so many doors, Jay, that were shut when I came out of prison, and I was like, okay, I'll share my story. No boom. Nobody wants to hear it. No boom, nobody wants to hear it. And I'm patient, and I put in the time, right? And I nurtured myself and I grew and I nurtured my family, and they grew, right? And then now, all of a sudden, I get a call, hey, you want to be on Special Forces? Which is this an incredible show that I was on last. This. This past year. It's on Hulu now. The world's toughest task. Like, that's not just. That's me putting in the work. That's God. But all those. Those type of things don't just happen, and then from there, it's a catalyst for something else. And it's the podcast, and it's the triathlon, and it's all these different things, and it just lines up because I put in the time, and it was hard.
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Jay Glazer
If you're going forward, you ain't going backwards. I got two more questions for you, one just last. I just want to hit on something. You said you got put in the hole for 49 days. Why?
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Marion Jones
Ah, okay.
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Jay Glazer
Really?
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Marion Jones
Let me give you a quick. Let me give you the quick story. So as some people know that might be seeing and hearing this. You know, when you're incarcerated, there's. There's no money, right? So you can purchase from commissary, think goods, things that you need and want. Usually, your family will put money on your books and type of stuff, but also, people make money if they don't have family and friends that put on the books. They hustle, right? They. They. They help with laundry, right? They sew, they cook. They do all these little Things, right? To make money if they don't have a support system to put money on their books. Also, in a lot of these institutions, right, there's theft. And so you don't necessarily want to stand at the washer and dryer for two hours. So you hire somebody within who's trying to make money, which I quickly realized, like, that was the thing. I don't want to. Stealing my stuff. So you hire somebody to do your lawn. Well, I find. And I worked out, Jay, while I was there, and so I had a few different, like, sweatsuits, all right? And all of a sudden, Jay, I'm realizing, like, I don't have my sweatshirt. They're coming up missing. And I'm still pinging out via commissary this individual. And so, like, I'm trying to navigate the prison system. I don't have any history of it. Nobody in my family ever has. So I learned when you get in there. And so I'm like, all right, well, how am I going to, like, bring this up to this person without offending anybody, right? And so I decided, one, you don't do it around a lot of people, right? Like, anybody. You do it one on one. So one day, the young lady, and I asked her gently, I was like, you know, I didn't ask her. I was like, you know what? I think I'm going to start to do my own laundry, right? Like, just like that. Like, you know, thank you, and I'll finish paying you. Well, she took offense, right? Why? Because that's her livelihood.
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Jay Glazer
All right.
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Marion Jones
I also found a little bit later, she was on some. Some. Some meds and stuff. She hadn't been taking them. So there was an altercation, right? And I ran out of the room after. There was some, as we, back in the day used to say, fisticuffs. Fisticuffs. And I ran to the guard. She was bleeding, all kinds of stuff. And because of that, we got taken across the street to high security. I was put in the shoe. If, you know, with, you know, a federal institution that's lockup 23 out of 24 hours a day. And because it was her word versus my word, they had to do an investigation. And so 49 days later, I was able to.
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Jay Glazer
49 days because you wanted to fight. That's not fair.
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Marion Jones
Hey. Yeah. But again, her word versus my word. But again, I tell you, to be by myself, like I had. I needed that in my life. Even when I was on the. The lower security side, they call it a camp, I was around a Lot of people. And I was having to navigate life and how to figure that out, which, again, I don't know, Jay, if I would have had that time, that I needed to figure out who I was, who I am moving forward, what I was going to do. So I am grateful for those 49 days in the shoe. They were tough, but, hey.
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Jay Glazer
Yeah, like it. All right, last question for you. I asked all my guests this. Give me your unbreakable moment, the moment that should have broken. You could have and didn't. And as a result, you came through the other side of that tunnel stronger. You may have already discussed it, but just frame it.
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Marion Jones
Yeah, I haven't discussed it yet. So my. My unbreakable moment. Jay was standing on the courtroom steps after everything happened. It was the day of my sentencing. I had already made the decision that I was going to share with the world, that I had lied to federal investigators. And we had the sentencing. And going into that day, I had my legal team and everything. Going into that day, it was recommended that I would get probation. Was prison time a possibility? Of course. It always is. But the court recommends stuff. They research the person's life on what potentially good can come out of them being incarcerated and what good they weigh that and what good this person. Probation. Maybe help athletes, maybe help young people make better choices. And so stepping in that courtroom, we. Me and my legal team were fairly, you know, fairly prepared for a sentence of probation, fines, etc. And three hours later, I looked to my left and right, my legal team, and I had to ask them, wait, wait, did he. Did this guy just say 6 months locked up? Like. Like, I couldn't even fathom it, Jay.
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Jay Glazer
Right?
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Marion Jones
Like, even though you knew it was on the table, right? Like, everybody's like, marion, don't even, like. Don't even. Like, you're not gonna go to prison. Like no other athlete. Like this a whole other story.
- [42:54]
Jay Glazer
No.
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Marion Jones
Nobody else who was involved in any of this. Right? It's not gonna happen. And I had to look to my left, and I was like. I was just stunned. You're just stunned? I don't know. At that point, I had two little boys, two kids. Now I have three beautiful kids who are almost grown now, but. And I'm like, what? So after that, in that moment of just being in shock, I walk out of the courtroom and I walk down the steps, and there are however many. Felt like a thousand cameras waiting for a statement from me. And I could have easily just kind of like, been ushered to the car, and I was like, no, Right. Like the world embraced me. I'll tell you, the world embraced me. Right? They put me on every cover of every magazine. Right. It is my responsibility to step up now and do the right thing. Right. And share with the world what happened, that I'm sorry for it. And my unbreakable moment is when I stood in front of that microphone and I shared with the world that I had made poor choices. But my unbreakable moment was not just that. It was my mom's hand on my shoulder, right? Like giving me comfort and support, whispering in my ear, you've got this. I'm here. We're going to get through this. And that was the moment. As hard as it was, Jay, to know that my reputation, everything at that moment would change forever. But feeling her hand on my shoulder, knowing that she loves me no matter what. And if my mama tells me that we're going to get through this, we are going to get through this. And so that was my moment.
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Jay Glazer
Jay, Marian, I really appreciate you joining me. And vulnerability, vulnerability is true strength. And I really appreciate it. Tell everybody again about your podcast before we let you go.
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Marion Jones
Yeah, so the podcast is called Second Win. It's on anywhere that you hear and see your podcast. You know, it's just. It's just an interesting perspective. Everybody wants a comeback, want to see and hear a comeback story. And these are people that you know, that you've heard of, that you've been a fan of, that have been knocked down, similar to maybe whoever is hearing this and. And you want to hear what their second wind in life is all about. Tune in. Yeah, it's. It's something special.
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Jay Glazer
Love it. We want to guess you got my peeps.
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Marion Jones
Thanks.
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Jay Glazer
Jay Jones, thanks for joining the Unbreakable Mental wealth podcast. Yeah.
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Marion Jones
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Jay Glazer
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Marion Jones
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that Mount Rushmore.
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Nate Thompson
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