Mackenzie Undercover: Premeditated Bologna-ing

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dating Detectives – "Mackenzie Undercover: Premeditated Bologna-ing"

Episode Overview

In the May 5, 2025 episode of The Dating Detectives, hosts Mackenzie Fultz, a seasoned Private Investigator, and comedian Hanna Anderson delve into a particularly intense case from Mackenzie's early career. Titled "Mackenzie Undercover: Premeditated Bologna-ing," the episode explores themes of deceit, manipulation, and the lengths individuals will go to disrupt others' lives within the tumultuous realm of dating and custody battles.

Case Presentation: Premeditated Bologna-ing

The episode centers around Mackenzie's investigation into a custody battle gone awry. A 40-something client hires Mackenzie to gather evidence against his ex-wife, who is reportedly sabotaging his life to gain more custody of their two young children.

• Initial Concerns and Sabotage Attempts

  Mackenzie's client suspected his ex-wife of vandalizing his property to undermine his custody claims. Initial acts included slashing his car tires (00:59–07:11) [Hanna, 06:03]. Despite multiple acts of vandalism, the challenge was proving her culpability legally.

• The Turning Point: Bologna Vandalism

  The case took a bizarre turn when Mackenzie observed the ex-wife engaging in an unusual act of vandalism. While surveilling her, she began smearing baloney all over her new wife's car (17:33–49:04) [Hanna, 17:33]. This act wasn't random; it was a deliberate attempt to deface the vehicle with baloney, potentially damaging the car's paint and serving as a perplexing red flag of her unstable behavior.

  Notable Quote:

  Mackenzie: "She is just out here, like, all willy nilly in front of God. [...] It is baloney-ing the car. So I was like, what the hell is going on?" [17:33]

• Involvement of Legal Authorities

  The plot thickened as the ex-wife's actions escalated. Mackenzie captured footage of her smearing baloney in her car while accompanied by her children, raising serious concerns about the safety and well-being of the children (29:00–37:03) [Hanna, 29:00]. This evidence was pivotal in filing an emergency injunction, ultimately leading to the client gaining greater custody rights (36:45–37:42) [Hanna, 36:45].

Insights from Mackenzie: Navigating Early P.I. Challenges

Mackenzie reflects on her early days as a Private Investigator, highlighting the steep learning curve and the personal growth that came from handling complex cases like the "Premeditated Bologna-ing."

• Balancing Distance and Proximity

  Initially, Mackenzie struggled with maintaining the right distance during surveillance to avoid being noticed. Over time, she learned to strike a balance, ensuring effective monitoring without compromising her safety or the integrity of her investigations (39:32–42:35) [Hannah, 41:03].

• Developing Intuition and Habits

  Through experience, Mackenzie honed her ability to predict individuals' behaviors by understanding their habits and routines. This intuitive skill proved invaluable in cases where subtle patterns revealed deeper issues (42:03–43:05) [Hannah, 42:03].

Legal and Ethical Considerations

The episode underscores the importance of legal compliance and ethical considerations in private investigations.

• Proper Conduct in Surveillance

  Mackenzie emphasizes the necessity of hiring licensed professionals to conduct surveillance legally, avoiding actions that could be construed as stalking or harassment (12:16–13:02) [Hannah, 12:16].

• Documentation and Evidence Handling

  Accurate documentation and video evidence collection were crucial in this case, providing undeniable proof of the ex-wife's malicious actions (36:45–37:03) [Hannah, 36:45].

Reactions and Reflections

Both hosts express their astonishment and frustration over the ex-wife's extreme behavior, particularly her willingness to involve her children in illicit activities.

• Emotional Impact

  The harrowing discovery of a parent engaging in drug use with her children in the car elicited strong emotional reactions from both Mackenzie and Hanna, highlighting the severe implications of substance abuse on family dynamics (29:00–38:27) [Hannah, 29:00].

  Notable Quote:

  Co-host: "If you have an Elizabeth Frank lunchbox, there's the tell." [48:57]

• Broader Implications

  This case serves as a stark reminder of the hidden struggles individuals may face and the critical role of evidence-based interventions in custody disputes (46:35–51:20) [Hannah, 46:35].

Conclusion

"Mackenzie Undercover: Premeditated Bologna-ing" offers listeners a gripping exploration of a unique and challenging case within the dating and custody battleground. Through Mackenzie's firsthand account, the episode sheds light on the complexities of private investigations, the importance of legal protocols, and the profound impact of deceit on personal relationships and family structures. The story not only entertains but also educates listeners on recognizing red flags and the necessity of professional assistance in unraveling complicated personal conflicts.

Key Takeaways

• Red Flags in Custody Battles: Vandalism and unusual behavior patterns can be indicators of deeper issues affecting custody arrangements.

• Importance of Professional P.I.s: Licensed private investigators play a crucial role in gathering legal evidence to support clients' claims in contentious situations.

• Emotional and Ethical Dimensions: Handling cases involving children and substance abuse requires sensitivity, ethical considerations, and a strong support system.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Hanna Anderson (06:03): "He wants to prove that she's crazy as a bedbug."

• Hanna Anderson (17:33): "She is just out here, like, all willy nilly in front of God. [...] It is baloney-ing the car."

• Co-host (48:57): "If you have an Elizabeth Frank lunchbox, there's the tell."

Final Thoughts

This episode not only recounts a fascinating case but also illustrates the personal growth and professional challenges faced by a Private Investigator. The Dating Detectives continues to offer insightful narratives that illuminate the darker aspects of the dating world, empowering listeners with knowledge and awareness to navigate their personal relationships more safely.

Transcript

[Mackenzie]

The following program contains names, places, and events that have been anonymized or fictionalized for the purposes of protection and safety. The following program is provided for entertainment purposes only, and any commentary from the hosts are strictly conjecture and should not be held as making any definitive statements about the truth or identity of any particular individuals or circumstances. If you or a loved one are involved in an abusive relationship, please call the National Domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-77-7233 for support.

[Hannah]

Hello. Happy Dating Detectives Monday.

[Co-host]

Are you a mermaid? Your hair is giving mermaid. It's like beautiful, beachy waves.

[Hannah]

I used a new waver. I created a Barbie look, A totally hair Barbie look. Amazing. And I did a Ulta haul and got a new waver that I wanted to try. And I never had good experience with wavers, but I found one that I really like, so I was really excited.

[Co-host]

Plug it. I want to know.

[Hannah]

It's the. The Babelous Nano, Titanium, whatever. But it's the bigger waiver, but it's okay. Yeah, it's because I have thick hair.

[Co-host]

So when I use a waiver, it just goes out rather than down.

[Hannah]

Yeah, I have a Nano. A smaller one. Try the smaller one so you get the smaller waves that your hair is so pretty, though. I love the color, so I like. I like the red a lot.

[Co-host]

Guys, we're just going to compliment each other for the rest of the episode to do a palette cleanser and not break your heart.

[Hannah]

Kind of take a break from some of the heavier stuff and just be nice.

[Co-host]

Well, we do have a MacKenzie undercover today, so I'm excited because those are great and fun and palette cleansers.

[Hannah]

Yes. And we have other good news. So first of all, the merch is available. We've made it available for the last week because everybody was like, bring the merch back. So today's the last day, but we did bring the merch back. So you still have today as your last day to pick up any Dating detectives merch.

[Co-host]

I'm, like, trying to show you that didn't work. I'm trying to show you that I'm wearing the sweatpants.

[Hannah]

But I like the sweatpants. They're really cute.

[Co-host]

It's really good quality stuff. So.

[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

Big circle of love. I love it. You should join the Patreon. I got a text this morning. I want to tell you before we get into the story, because it made my day, and it feels like it's representative of the type of people who are also in Patreon. Okay, ready? My friend from way back in the day texted me this morning the greatest thing. Hi, Hannah Anderson. I need help Internet sleuthing. And I just know you're the person I need.

[Hannah]

They would be right.

[Co-host]

And I was like, yes. And sure enough, she met a guy at a bar. She didn't even have a first name. She had a. What he did for a living and the neighborhood he lived in and the fact that he also went to the same sleepaway camp as I went to when I was a kid. But I found him.

[Hannah]

Wow. Of course you did.

[Co-host]

I would have to turn my mic in if I didn't find him. Sleuth.

[Hannah]

I'm sorry. You're so good at that. And it's. It's definitely sleuthing and investigating.

[Co-host]

Yeah, totally. I was just tapping the network, looking on Facebook, like, helping her find her future husband. But that's the type of thing that we do for each other. We're girls. Girls over in the Patreon. And help each other find the good as well as the bad.

[Hannah]

Yes.

[Co-host]

But I was very proud.

[Hannah]

I'm so proud of you. That's awesome. I love that they said, hello, Hannah Anderson. Yeah, hello.

[Co-host]

I was like, yep, came to the right place.

[Hannah]

Very matter of fact, what do you.

[Co-host]

Have for me today?

[Hannah]

So, yeah, we have Mackenzie Undercover, which if you're new here, Mackenzie Undercover is basically just. Just a story from one of my PI cases. I've been a PI for 20 years, and so I like to share some of these stories, but it's an interesting veer away from our normal guests telling their stories and in the world of dogfish. And they're really interesting. It's how the. The whole dating detectives, you know, kind of got started and took off was with some of these stories. And so it's fun to share those with you and my life as a PI and just hear what your thoughts are on some of these stories that are too crazy to think they could actually be real, but they are. So this is one of my very first cases, like within the first year of being a PI.

[Co-host]

Wow.

[Hannah]

So this is 19 years ago. Okay. A long, long, long time ago. So I get a call from this guy. So my client is a 40 something year old man, and he has two small kids with his ex wife. They're going through a kind of a nasty custody battle, and he's trying to prove that she's crazy as a bedbug.

[Co-host]

Okay? So this is not that she's cheating. He's like, I am calling you to follow my crazy wife.

[Hannah]

And they're fully divorced. So I get on the phone with this guy and he basically has this ex wife, he has kids with this ex wife, he's remarried now, fella wants to move on with his life. They already have a custody agreement, right? But he wants to get his kids more. So now that he's, you know, more established in this new life with this new lady, he wants to get his.

[Mackenzie]

Kids, like, have more time bab. And so, yeah, like, he wants to.

[Hannah]

Have more custody with them. Well, baby mama don't like it. So she's mad and she starts vandalizing his cars and like, starts. Yeah. So she just wants to punish him, basically. And then one of the times she had slashed his tires, right? And it was a night when he was supposed to get the kids. And then whenever he couldn't get in the car to get the kids because he realized my tires are flat, she was like, oh, you said you want this custody, and now you can't even show up. So, like, she's creating these problems for him to make it so that he can't Even show up to get them. So she is, she's punishing him basically.

[Mackenzie]

And trying to sabotage his claim for more.

[Hannah]

She is a saboteur. So he said that his ex wife would vandalize his car, vandalize his home. Like key, key the car, slash the tires. And he couldn't prove that it was her, which is mostly the problem. Right. Like if you're trying to prove that she's gonna unfit mom, like he's trying to basically say she's crazy and she's doing these things to me. What else will she do? And what is she doing when she has my kids? These are all times that he doesn't even have the kids. So she's obviously like, she either has the kids with her, whatever. So he couldn't prove that it was her. But like I said, he's remarried. Okay. They have a baby on the way. They're basically at their wits end. They're like, we're trying to move on and this girl just is nonstop. So he's trying to do everything he can to prove whatever. So go ahead, I just want to.

[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

Yeah. And there are cases that are really messy. But the reason that I liked this one was because he came to me under advice of counsel. They said, you need to hire a PI you need. And so he actually contacted me and cc'd his attorney. So I felt more safe knowing that he's under the advice they're building a legitimate case. Yeah, like he's trying to do the right thing. You know, whatever. Let me introduce you to delete me. If you're not new here, by the way, I'm not introducing it to you. You've heard me talk about it before. Delete me makes it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online. At a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable, it is easier than ever to find personal information about people online. I am a private investigator. I would know having your address, phone number, family members, names, hanging out on the Internet all willy nilly can have actual consequences in the real world and makes everyone vulnerable. And when I say actual consequences, I'm talking about people that use this information for not good things. With delete me you can protect your personal privacy or the privacy of your business from doxing attacks before sensitive information can be exploited. I have an active online presence and privacy is really important to me, especially because I know as a PI what it can mean for your privacy. So take control of your data. Keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your delete Me plan when you go to join deleteme.com dating detectives and use promo code TDD at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is go to joindeleteme.com datingdetectives and enter code TDD at checkout. That's joindeleteme.comdingdetectives code TDD love you.

[Mackenzie]

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[Hannah]

So when talking to him, the attorney had told him, reach out to a private investigator. And I told him, I said, that's the right thing to do. Basically, hiring surveillance is the best bet because you can actually, hopefully the. The goal is to observe her doing these things to show that legally he's hired a private investigator. If he were to do it himself or have a friend go do it, it's. Then it's illegal because it's unlicensed activity and it can get thrown out and you can get in trouble for stalking and harassing.

[Co-host]

Say that again. Just say that again for the people in the back.

[Hannah]

You can't do it on your own because it's illegal and unlicensed activity. You have to hire someone who is licensed or whatever the guidelines are in your state. Like you have to do. You have to hire someone that's legal.

[Co-host]

What if she's like keying his car in his front lawn? You know what I mean? Like, what if it's in on his property and he got a video of it? Would that be credible evidence?

[Hannah]

Totally.

[Co-host]

Okay, so that's fine. You're allowed to do it on unless it's public property.

[Hannah]

If someone's in your yard and you're videotaping them, do this. If you're going out of your way to try and find someone or locate them or observe what they're doing, that's called stalking by pure definition, right? Unless you're licensed. So I follow her to find out exactly what she's up to. So the first day of surveillance, I start early in the morning as per usual, and she starts her routine. She's getting the kids in the car and I'm like, okay, she's taking them to school, they've got backpacks, they're loading up. You know the morning routine. So she drives to the school, she pulls into the parking lot, she sits for a few minutes in the parking lot. Now, I know a lot of us are moms and we take our kids to school and pick them up in the car line. Who goes to the parking lot? Like, very few people actually go into the parking lot, sit and let the kids out. And I thought it was really weird, but it's the first day on the case, so let me just, like, get a feel for her habits and what she does. And so I'm like, okay, first day on the case. I don't want to get burned by getting too close or whatever. So I kind of stay out of view and just kind of watch from a distance. Right. So she takes him school. She sits in the parking lot, sits for a few minutes. The kids get out. And again, I thought it was really weird, because why not? Car line. But it's day one, so whatever.

[Co-host]

She doesn't get out with them. She just sits in the car.

[Hannah]

Yep, she sits in the car. And you can see that she's moving about like, I don't know, maybe signing permission. So, like, maybe it's one of those things where, oh, I forgot to give you money for book fair. Whatever.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And so, fine. Like, I didn't think anything of it, but, you know, in my brain, it's noted. So as my client suspected, she heads to his workplace. But that day, his car wasn't there. He had taken the day off because we had discussed it. And I told him, stay home on the first day of surveillance so that you'll be available to me. Because he was really adamant that he wanted to know what was going on throughout the day, which normally I'm like, no, I will tell you what was on at the end of the surveillance. But because we were working so closely with his attorney, and we wanted, like, real time. Like, if he had to file an emergency injunction, they wanted real time information so that they could, you know, if it's an emergency to him, he has to. He has to show how willing he is to, like, to pursue this legally. So if it's that important to him.

[Co-host]

Because if he waits, they might be like, why'd you let your kids stay with her for a week? I get it.

[Hannah]

Exactly. So we decided he could stay home, and then if he had to take action, he could do it right away. He could update his attorney in real time, whatever. So she decides to go to the client's workplace. His car isn't there. And I told him, I said, okay, she's at your workplace. And she's. She. This parking lot's pretty small. She drives through, she doesn't see the car, so she leaves. And I'm like, oh, well, you know, bullet dodge. But then I was kind of hoping, like, man, I wish his car was there so we could observe something.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Because if she had just keyed it and left, that would be a quick, easy. Got it.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Then we could prove it. But she decides that she's going to go to the wife's workplace to stalk her instead. Dead. So I was like, okay, we might not have missed very much after all.

[Co-host]

That's even, I feel like better evidence to get her going after the new wife.

[Hannah]

Right. So she goes to the wife's workplace. Okay. She pulls into a parking space. She's sitting there about five minutes. Well, she gets out of the car, and I'm like, oh, no, Is she going in? Is she going. Like, she parks far away from the wife's car. Well, she gets out of her car, and I see there's something in her hand, but I can't tell what it is. And it's yellow. And I'm like, what is she. Is that a Nerf gun? Like, what is. Like, what is going on?

[Co-host]

No.

[Hannah]

And it's this yellow, like maybe the size of like a softball from where I was sitting. It was a banana. Yeah.

[Co-host]

She's just having a snack.

[Hannah]

So she gets out of her car. She's walking through the parking lot, and she walks in the direction of the new wife's car. She gets to the new wife's car, and she kind of does one circle around it. And she's kind of looking around or whatever.

[Co-host]

Now I'm imagining. I'm like, what are yellow things? Like, she can egg the car.

[Hannah]

She is just out here, like, all willy nilly in front of God. And she stops and she's playing with whatever's in her hand. And now she's playing with it with both hands. I'm like, what is that? I zoom in with my camera. Like, I'm like, what the hell? It is a package of baloney. Oscar Meyer baloney.

[Co-host]

She's gonna baloney the car.

[Hannah]

She. Baloney's the car. So I don't know if you guys know this, but. And don't ever do this because this is a crime. But you can vandalize someone's car with baloney. It will eat the paint. And we're in the Florida sun, and so it's really hot.

[Co-host]

Something about the not know that.

[Hannah]

Yeah. So I don't know if it's still a thing now. Like, I'm sure, like, paint and technology.

[Co-host]

As they went back to the drawing board and were like, guys, we need to make our paint baloney proof.

[Hannah]

Right?

[Co-host]

This is a big mix up.

[Hannah]

So she starts putting all the baloney circles on the wife's car. So she is like, putting it and like, you know, the, like on a domino, on a. On A dice. It has the five dots for the number five. Like, she's making, like, dice numbers with it. Like, she puts a five.

[Co-host]

Like it's like a little abstract art.

[Hannah]

Yeah. And then she does polka dots on the doors. She's putting it on the roof, on the trunk. She's putting baloney all over the car. Okay. Like, the whole package. I would like to add that she did not stop anywhere to pick up this package of baloney. She already had it. So can we say premeditated?

[Co-host]

100%. Also, it was closed. It sounds like she opened up the yellow top thing.

[Hannah]

100%.

[Co-host]

It's not the lunch meat for the kids lunch. This is for this.

[Hannah]

She had to unstick it for sure. Okay. Like, she left her house with this baloney.

[Co-host]

And this is in front of God and everybody. Like, right out in front of everybody. No one's saying anything.

[Hannah]

Not a huge place, but nobody was out looking. Like, it's in this, like, industrial area.

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[Mackenzie]

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[Hannah]

Well, when she pulled up to the wife's workplace and I knew, because my client, we had discussed it, I knew that the wife was at work. And for safety reasons, I went ahead and told him. I said, hey, she's pulling up to the wife's work. Like, she's. She's pulled down the road to the wife's work. I just want to let you know. And so I didn't know what to tell him as I'm on the phone with him and as she gets out of the car, because I'm on the phone with him and I go dead silent. And I'm like, like, what the hell's in her hand? I couldn't figure it out. Right, right. So he's like, what's going on? I'm like, I don't know. Hold on a minute. I have no idea. And so he hears me saying, like, what the hell what's going on? What is that? Talking to myself. And he's like, what is it? And so I'm worried for the wife. What is she gonna do? Is she gonna go in there and hold up. Hold the place up with a Nerf gun? Like, what's going on? I didn't know what was going on. Well, by the time she was at the wife's car, he had gotten her. The wife on the phone, on the other phone. And so he has me in one ear and has her in another ear. Well, he's telling her what's going on as I'm telling him. Well, she calls the cops from inside her workplace. And mind you, when you call the cops, they don't come instantly like this. It takes a while.

[Co-host]

Especially if it's like someone's putting baloney on my car. They're like, we have a few people in front of you, but we.

[Hannah]

Right. Like, please, please stand by in the queue, like, whatever, right? Like at the deli.

[Co-host]

Other question. If the wife had been at work and noticed this happening and started videoing from the window, would that be credible evidence in court?

[Hannah]

Yeah, of course.

[Co-host]

Okay, I'm gonna just ask if you can. Totally different places.

[Hannah]

No, it's when you are going out of your way to go find someone else. Like, if someone comes to you and you start videotaping, like, that's fair game. Like, you know what I mean?

[Co-host]

If they come to you.

[Hannah]

Yeah, but she. But she also. So they're in, like, this, like, industrial kind of area. It's like the backside of an industrial building.

[Co-host]

So she.

[Hannah]

There were no windows facing out that way. And remember, this is, like, almost 20 years ago. There wasn't as many cameras. And so I imagine that now there's probably cameras or whatever, but she's a.

[Co-host]

Lot easier to baloney cars. Back in the day, everybody. Those are the good old days.

[Hannah]

Well, so the wife calls the cops, which is great, because you want to make a report of this, right? Like, every single time. I don't care if it's baloney or murder. I do not care how little or how big it is. We call the cops. We make a report every single time you have to. It's just going to bolster your claim, right? And so I was glad that they called the cops.

[Co-host]

And there are non emergency lines, too, y'all, if you want to make a call, but you don't want to call them.

[Hannah]

And this is just from my client, like, being on the phone with me and telling me what's going on, but he had Told me that because I was giving him a play by play. And I was like, oh, she did the baloney. She's getting in the car, she's leaving. And I guess the wife had come out to the car and she took the baloney off, so the car was fine.

[Co-host]

She. Oh, that poor wife is just like, why did I get involved?

[Hannah]

She goes out there and I guess my problem. Yeah, I guess she had peeled all the. Like the car was fine or whatever. So she doesn't stay long enough for the cops to come, which would have been nice because I had all the evidence right there. They could have, whatever. But I did obtain video. There was a report made that bolsters the claim. So I was happy with that. Right. So, yeah, this is good. But it still just shows one instance of like, being kind of crazy.

[Co-host]

Whatever. And it's not necessarily, like a dangerous thing.

[Hannah]

Yeah, like, kind of like a. This is petty. But how, like, does this, you know, is this justify her being a bad mom? Whatever. So we still want to get more. And people ask, how do you know when it's enough evidence? You don't. It's the. It's for the client to determine whether they want more evidence. And usually if the client goes to their attorney, the attorney will say, oh, try to get more. Try to get more based on their.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I was gonna say nice that they have an attorney working with this.

[Hannah]

Yeah, exactly. And so the attorney. They've been in court a hundred thousand times. Like, they know what judges are going to expect and you. What to see what they. What they want to see or whatever. So one. One baloney sandwich does not. Unfit mother, Nick. I guess.

[Co-host]

I'm always saying that.

[Hannah]

And the kids are at school, so they're safe. So she's not really doing anything to put them in harm. I. In harm's way, I guess.

[Co-host]

Unless they didn't get lunch because she used all the below.

[Hannah]

Right. They were starving. So she. Nothing else happens. She goes home and she stays there the rest of the day. And the surveillance ends after a couple hours. She doesn't leave the house again. And we decide we're going to do surveillance the next day to see what else this crazy pants is going to do. Okay. So I go to do surveillance at the same time. The next day she goes to the school. Like, she pulls up in the elementary school and she parks in the parking lot again. But this time I'm like, why? Why the parking lot?

[Co-host]

Like, this is.

[Hannah]

This place is Grand Central Cell station. When you pull into a school, if you're not in the car line. It's so hard to get in and out. And the parking lot's weird and whatever, right? There's kids everywhere, and people are walking and the crossing. It's a whole big thing. There's buses, all the things, right? So I. This time, I need to see what she's doing. And it was. It was. It was a Grand Central Station mess. But I pulled my car in there, and I was like, I'm gonna park right next to her. So I got as close to her. I got one spot over from her, but I was an suv, so I could see over the little car next.

[Co-host]

And you have tinted, tinted windows, right? Dark windows.

[Hannah]

I have tinted windows, but hers weren't that tinted. So once I pulled up next to her, I could see what was going on in the car. And so this time, I'm like, if I get busted, I get busted, but I have to find out what she's doing. That's the whole goal. So I can see her inside the car. She's shuffling paper. She's going through the backpacks. And I'm like, gosh, maybe this is an everyday thing. Whatever. Well, the kids are in the backseat, and I see her reach down in the. The passenger seat, and I clearly see her grab the unicorn lunchbox. Like. Like a. Like a kid's little. Like the hard. The hard 10. Like the hard metal. Whatever. This unicorn lunchbox. And do you remember Lisa Frank? Like, I'm. I'm 40 frank. Like, everybody loves Lisa Frank. So you could tell it's Lisa Frank because it's colorful as. I'll get out. So she puts this lunchbox down in her lap. Okay. And so I couldn't see it, but I saw her put it down in her lap. And I'm like, oh. Like, maybe she's. I don't know, putting, like, an apple in there. I don't know. Like, maybe she's like, oh, here's an apple. What? Like, whatever. So I'm just kind of watching her, and I can't really see what she's doing. Well, I'm just videotaping right into her car. And all I see is her taking this lunchbox, holding it, like, with her fingers underneath and her thumb on top, lifting it evenly up to her nose and just smelling it all the way across in a straight line, like, sniffing the top of it and, like, moving it under her nose, like, across.

[Co-host]

Excuse me for that volume, but. Oh, wait, wait. Were the children in the vehicle?

[Hannah]

The kids are still in the car. She's doing in the back seat. And she's sniffing. She's smelling this. I'm not on. I'm not on my social media. I can say this. She is snorting cocaine off the top of the lunchbox.

[Co-host]

Doing a line on A literal line on the unicorn.

[Hannah]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Off.

[Hannah]

Lisa.

[Co-host]

Oh, no.

[Hannah]

At first I was like. I'm like, I'm kind of a goody, too. She was like, I'm new to the PI scene.

[Co-host]

You're like, what is. Did she wonder if the sandwich is bad? I know.

[Hannah]

I'm like, that's weird. I wonder why she's smelling that baby's lunchbox like that. What's going on?

[Co-host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Hannah]

And then I realized what was happening right there with them little babies right there in the back seat. And I was like, oh.

[Co-host]

And then there she's driving, and we don't know if she was driving with the kids before that.

[Hannah]

Exactly. And the kids are back there just sitting and just kind of, like, playing around. Like, they don't. They're not, like, looking at her. They're just kind of doing their own thing, like, just, you know, waiting to get out of the car or whatever. I think 1. I think the little boy was like, tying his shoes. Whatever.

[Co-host]

Yeah. She was just like, come on, guys, I got things to do, and I need to take. Mommy needs her candy, right?

[Hannah]

Mommy needs her daily whatever.

[Co-host]

That's crazy.

[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

And hands it back.

[Hannah]

Yes. Hands it back to the baby. And then the kids just went to school.

[Co-host]

At least have your own lunchbox if you're gonna have drugs. I am upset. I'm actually upset.

[Hannah]

I'm upset. Do you. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people doing drugs with their kids in the car, Smoking weed, doing other drugs. I've seen people shooting up with kids in their car. It's.

[Co-host]

I mean, obviously addiction is very difficult.

[Hannah]

Sure.

[Co-host]

Kids involved. It's like a. It's a hard line. Like, I. It's a hard line for me. It's terrible. It's so scary. It's so scary. Did he say anything to you about drugs? Like, any suspicion?

[Hannah]

No, none. I. Well, I think I even asked that because I normally ask, like, is there a history of cheating? Is there a history of drugs?

[Co-host]

And is there a history of, like.

[Hannah]

Alcohol and drugs and addiction? So that's one of the things that I really try to ask. And so I feel like there was just no indication of that, which is kind of interesting. But for you, just. Just like, this is like, Lisa, like, you know what I mean? Like, don't. That's not. It's whatever.

[Co-host]

It makes sense why she thought she'd get away with baloneying a car.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

She was like, she.

[Hannah]

Because she's gonna be crazy as a bedbug. That's why.

[Co-host]

Yeah. She's like, this is a very good idea for me to do this right now. I. It makes more sense.

[Hannah]

So then she gives the baby back the lunchbox, the kids get out of the car, they put on their backpacks, they go to school. Okay. Like, you. You couldn't have done this at home, like, after you drop the babies off? No.

[Co-host]

Well, now I'm like, what is she gonna do next?

[Hannah]

Yeah. So she sits in the car for another five or 10 minutes. And she's just piddling around in her purse, like, just, Just not doing anything of anything substantially. Just being stupid, killing time. So she leaves and she goes to the husband's workplace, drives by, she slows down by his car, then she leaves. His car is there. He went to work this day, the next day.

[Co-host]

You haven't been as in touch with him today, Correct?

[Hannah]

Right. Because we said, like, let's just, let's see what happens. And if, you know, if she does anything crazy again, then I'll call you. And he's like, I'll make myself available. Like, he wants you to call him.

[Co-host]

Right. But if you called him when that was happening, I feel like he would have liked, flipped a lid.

[Hannah]

Oh, 100.

[Co-host]

He would have kids.

[Hannah]

And so here's the thing with that. So I'm not a mandated reporter. So when it comes to that, like, could I have gone when I told him what had happened, like, then it's up to him to say, yeah, I wanna, I wanna call and report this or whatever. So do you, like, go into the school and, like, rush into the school and tell them, like, this is what's going on? That's up to him. So I, I give him, like, what's going on. Then it's up to him to kind of decide, you know, if he wants.

[Co-host]

Also, if the kids were like in the car with her and she started driving away, that's one thing. But they went into school.

[Hannah]

Yeah. So they had left the danger zone, I guess. And so then it's like, it's, it's really tough. And I was still really new, so I kind of still didn't really know what to do. All I knew is that it was up to my client to decide that. And I, I felt better after because after talking to the attorney, they're like, no, I'm. I'm glad you didn't say anything. So she goes, she leaves the school, she goes to the husband's work, the ex husband's workplace. She drives by his car real slowly. She kind of stops in the parking lot, leaves, goes to the new wife's workplace, drives to the parking lot, stops at her car, does a circle in the parking lot and leaves. And then she goes home. So now I'm documenting that she is going to his workplace, going to her workplace, stalking and stalking.

[Co-host]

Stocky. Stocky.

[Hannah]

And now she's also on drugs. And so I called him and I told him what was going on, and she didn't do anything for the rest of the day.

[Mackenzie]

Here, I'll ask It.

[Co-host]

What.

[Mackenzie]

What did the husband say when you.

[Hannah]

He was surprised, but he wasn't like. He wasn't like, what? No way. He was like, oh, my God. Like, it was almost like, appointment. Okay. I knew she was capable of that, but I didn't realize she would do it with the kids. And it's the vibe that I got. Like, man, like, he was like, my kids. Like, around my kids. So I don't know if she had this, like, drug problem before or if it was just because the kids. And he was just, like, baffled that she would do that on the Lisa Frank lunchbox.

[Mackenzie]

It's so wild and sad. It's really sad. I can't imagine finding out that that's what's happening when your kids are, like.

[Co-host]

On their way to school.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Hannah]

So meanwhile, the attorney had asked him to tell me to send the video right over. So I document everything. I wrote up a report real quick. I sent over the video, and they did end up filing that emergency injunction to show, like, this is what she's doing with the baloney. No big deal. Right. But now she's doing this with my kids in the car. And that's probably. Don't do that if you're trying to keep custody of your kids.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And she would have had to fight him back and say, nuh. Like, how do you say nuh? Like, it's on the video. Do you know what I mean? And she had nothing to say that he was a bad dad or whatever. So the only thing that they were able to do is file the emergency injunction and get those kids away from her, like, stat. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Did they. That day, do you know?

[Hannah]

Yeah, they. Well, it was the next day, and they met her at the school, and they were able to meet her before the kids got out of the car. Like, they were able to just take her and do everything and get them off school property, move them to another area, and, like, you know, take possession of the kid. Not possession. You know what I mean? Like, take the kids and get them to safety. And she was charged with drug charges. She did have drugs on her, so now she has the drug charges. So not only does she have possession, but now we have proof that she's vandalizing the car with baloney, which was. I think it was just a misdemeanor offense. But still, when you're showing that you're trying to be a good mom, you're not baloneying cars.

[Co-host]

No, no.

[Hannah]

So he ended up getting custody of the kids because obviously. And she, you know, they she still had, from what I understand, like, she was still able to have visitation. She ended up getting less custody than she had before, so she had 6040, and now it went to, like, 7030 for him or something like that.

[Co-host]

I imagine they also put her. What would she have to do? Some kind of rehabilitation.

[Hannah]

Yeah. Like, you can't just get your kids back if you're on drug. Like, but it's just so hard when you think about. When you think about what parents are out there doing around their kids, it kind of breaks your heart, and you just wonder, what else are they doing? What else are they doing when you're not doing surveillance on them? And as many times as I see people doing drugs around their kids or doing illegal things around their kids, it's.

[Co-host]

Like, man, that's only when you're looking.

[Hannah]

Yeah, that's only when you see them. And I. To be clear, if there's a crime being committed, and especially when children are involved, I'm not a mandated reporter, but I'm also not an idiot. Like, I will. If a child is in danger, I'm going to call, period. You might not hear me admit it very much because, you know, a client wants to hear that we will be discreet and have discretion and not say very much. But you guys gotta. You gotta remember who you're talking to. You all know me. You know what I mean? Like, right? Y'all know by now I'm not an idiot. Like, I'm not a mandated reporter, but I'm also not an idiot. And I also love the baby so much. So.

[Co-host]

No. And no kid is deserving of. They. They didn't choose to be involved in this in the slightest.

[Hannah]

Yeah, no. And it's not. And, like. And they're little babies. Like, you're talking, like, 6 and 8 years old. Like, that's little bitty babies.

[Co-host]

That's not fair to disrespect Lisa Frank in that way. Lisa Frank as well. Although Lisa Frank does kind of look like a. Like an acid shrimp a little bit. But still, there is a line. Not that line.

[Mackenzie]

This is a very intense case to have so early in your PI Career. Would you.

[Hannah]

You're telling me.

[Mackenzie]

I mean, I'm curious what that made you, like, moving forward after that. How did that change you as a PI and then looking back, do you think you would have handled it the same way? How do you feel now?

[Hannah]

So, okay, so in the beginning as a P.I. the first year as a P.I. i was so scared to get too close and to get busted because you think that everyone knows you're there, no one pays attention, no one knows you're. I mean, very few people do because they're. Everybody's just minding their own business, they're on their side, everybody talking to their boss, whatever. And so nobody's paying attention most of the time. But then the second year, I was like, screw this, I'm tired. I would lose everybody because I wouldn't stay close enough. I was scared. So then the second year, I was like, screw this, I'm going in for the kill. And so I was like in their tailpipe. And then I was getting busted a lot because I was getting noticed because I was so close to them all the time. So then in between those, trying to find a middle ground was kind of like this case for me. So it was like, you don't want to get too close, but you don't want to stay too far. But this was before I had learned that people aren't generally nice. Like, I was always under the mindset that, like, if you're nice to people, they'll be nice to you. So it was before that time that I learned that people are not. And they will yank you out of your car and try to fight you. And so I just thought in general, most people were nice. So I was like, oh, okay. Like, I'll just, you know, if anything happens, if she comes and talks to me, it'll be fine, like, whatever. And so I was a little aggressive following her.

[Co-host]

And you said you pulled up right.

[Mackenzie]

Really close, right next to her in the parking lot, right?

[Hannah]

Yeah, and I still, I still will do that, but there's. And I thought it was smart to like, kind of stay away. It was the first day of the case. So the first day when she took the kids to school and I was kind of staying far away, I didn't pull into the parking lot with her. But the second day I did because I was like, oh, I gotta see what's going on over there. So I pulled in. And so things like that, like now I feel like you're. You're less. I'm less self conscious of it. Like, I know that this is Grand Central Station. No one's gonna notice some random cars pulling up next to her. Whereas before I was like, oh my God, is she gonna know? Like, she's gonna. She's gonna spot me right away. Like, no, she's not. There's 30, 000 other, like, what do you know what I mean? It's not as noticeable. So on a case like this where it was like, it was kind of high intensity because you got this guy, you need to catch him up in real time, and you have to. And I'm still in training at this point. Point. Like, I'm not even a full fledged C License, which is like, you're not intern anymore. I'm still a baby investigator. I'm like, a year and a half in. But you got. My boss one time said, you got to have moxie.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Hannah]

And so you just. But now it. Now that moxie and that, like, studying people and their habits. Like, now my gut is solid. Like, I can tell you what somebody's gonna do. Yeah, I can. I can tell you what somebody's gonna do before they do it now, like, because you just start to learn the habits of people and how they function. So it's really interesting.

[Mackenzie]

I feel like you did it then, which was great today. Maybe you would have gone into the parking lot the first day. Just knowing that you are, like, bound to find something.

[Co-host]

Did find.

[Hannah]

I'm less scared now.

[Mackenzie]

And then. The fact that she was doing something that put her kids in danger. Was that the first time you saw a parent do something like that? And did that change the way you see people on your cases?

[Hannah]

I don't know if that was the first. I've seen it a lot over the years, but I don't know if that was the first time. Maybe it was the first time, but I was just. And I'm like, you don't. In general, you just think everybody is just normal. So when you see people doing things like that, you're like, no way.

[Co-host]

Like, that's cr.

[Hannah]

Like, no way. And so just to see it with your own eyes, you're like, no. Huh? Like, what? What? You know what I mean? Like, you just. You can't believe it. So it's crazy.

[Mackenzie]

Well, that's us listening to your stories now. And you have them that have built who you are today. And I think, you know, you joke about, like, oh, I don't trust anybody, and it's true. But there's a true. Like, I think you actually have a pretty balanced look at it, where you have gotten to a point. I. From my outside perspective, where you can be healthy and cautious and realistic about what you're facing while still being able to, like, connect with the good people that you attract. Because I could see you going through cases like this and just being like, I'm not leaving the house anymore. I don't have any faith in people. And you.

[Hannah]

You lose your. Your faith in people, and that's exactly it. Like knowing that this mom, like, if I saw her just in a grocery store yesterday with her two little kids, I'd be like, oh, there's mama bear with her two little kids. She's making ends me, she's doing the thing, whatever. But just to know that that same woman could be the woman that's snorting coke off her kids Lisa Frank lunchbox while taking them to school and is sending her to like just dusting it off with your hands all willy nilly. Do you know what I mean? Like, you just don't realize. And so when people are like my judgment of people, like, oh, that's a nice looking family. And it's like, you never know. I always just, just assume that I'm like, you never know what's going on behind closed doors. I think that like, also you're in a school parking lot and you don't have tent on your windows. Like, let's have some. And like the part, it's Grand Central Station. There are people that can see you. Are you dense? What are you doing?

[Co-host]

It's amazing the things people do. And it's amazing she got away with it for however long she did at all. It's so sad.

[Hannah]

I'm grateful that the dad and the new wife were willing to. Surveillance isn't really cheap. You're talking like 100, $152 an hour.

[Co-host]

Plus divorce and custody battles in general, even if you don't have to bring.

[Hannah]

In a p. Yeah, and now he's paying the attorney, which, I mean, good thing they had decent jobs. Like, they weren't rich by any means, but they, they were like, we're, we're going to do this. We need to fight for these kids. And I feel like in Florida it's usually like a judge is normally like, let the dad see the kid, let the mom see that. Like they want to do 50, 50 as often as possible, but that's not always best for the child. Like, but they don't do the thing where like the mom always gets the kid. But yeah, usually when they, like when they did the custody agreement, like he said everything was fine. Like, he knew that she was a little bit batshit, but he didn't think that she would go to those extremes. And then whenever they, she started saying that she wanted more custody and he said no, that's when she started acting a fool. And I just think it's kind of crazy.

[Co-host]

I, I guess I hope that she cleaned up and got to a point where she could have a Healthy relationship with the kids in a safe way because it's best for them. But I'm also glad that you were there to catch her.

[Hannah]

Well, and to just to be able to document it, because so many times people have been, they. They say this is happening, this is happening. And they're like, they can't prove it. And the one thing that would help them is if they could prove it. And a lot of times they just can' prove it. And that really sucks. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, but, you know, and it's like, but you can't justify it. You can't prove it. And they just want to be able to prove it. Everybody knows that's the truth, but they just can't prove it. And it sucks.

[Co-host]

Also, it seems like a lot of times they think they know. Yeah, like he knew she was keying the car and vandalizing things, but he didn't know.

[Hannah]

He didn't know nothing about the drugs. They didn't. That was, I think, a bonus for him. And I think that's even worse than the vandalism because when you're on drugs, number one, you do things that you might not do if not on drugs. But number two, what if your kids get a hold of those drugs? Do you know what I mean? Like, that's.

[Co-host]

And she was not hiding them.

[Hannah]

No. Sound like Lisa Frank.

[Co-host]

Like, people get into all kinds of things.

[Hannah]

Crazy.

[Co-host]

One time, my friend's dog found the gummies. Wink, wink. The dog was fine, but the friend had taken a gummy as well. So I had to drive them both to the vet. And in the vet, another guy was there. At one point, he looked at us, he's like, oh, your dog get into the weed too?

[Hannah]

Same.

[Co-host]

And we were like, what? And the people at the vet were like, yeah, this happens every weekend. Like, it's very common. So hide your legal drugs from everyone, including dogs, people.

[Hannah]

That is so. You know, one time I. I was dog sitting for my mom's little dog, and I had this bowl, like this glass crystal. This. This crystal bowl from some William Sonoma or something I had gotten for like, a wedding gift. And it had this beautiful, like, potpourri in it, the kind that looks like mulch. And it was this beautiful potpourri. And I had it on like, the. Underneath my entertainment center. And her dog ate some of it. And I was like, mom, your dog is acting like, high. I don't know what's wrong with him. We had to take it to the vet. And he's like, did you get into drugs? And I'm like, I've never done a drug a day in my life. I didn't. I didn't know what drugs look like. I don't want. I'm not interested. And I was like, no. And the vet totally thought that we had given this dog drugs. And I went, never. You're like, no, but I thought the dog was dying. It was crazy. And it was just the potpourri.

[Co-host]

That's good to know. Did he smell good at least?

[Hannah]

Right?

[Co-host]

All right. I mean, I hate to be like, if you guys are doing drugs, hide them from your kids. But, like, just don't.

[Hannah]

You're doing drugs. Please stop.

[Co-host]

But also, this is like, we're joking, but obviously it's very serious. And I'm glad the kids are okay.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Geez Louise.

[Hannah]

It's. It kind of makes you mad too, because, like, you just want to kind of yank her out by your hair and be like, what are you doing?

[Co-host]

Yep. Yeah.

[Hannah]

But now I always wonder when people pull into the parking lot instead of the car line, I'm like, oh, God, what are they doing?

[Co-host]

Yeah. You're like, if they have Elisa Frank lunchbox, there's the tell. Or Oscar Meyer baloney.

[Hannah]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Wow. Wow. Also, the baloneying of the car is still making me kind of laugh. Slash, I wonder.

[Hannah]

You know what? I haven't even looked it up. If, like, baloney, let's see. Baloney, let's do it. Paint on a car. While it's a common prank, it can cause damage. Preservatives and acids in the baloney can react with the paint, potentially leading to stains, discoloration, or bubbling. But it's unlikely to eat through the paint, as some believe.

[Co-host]

Oof. So if. But what if you wanted, like, a cute polka dot design, Right. Do you use baloney to kind of.

[Hannah]

Do it, but if you do it to yourself, it's not really a crime, so it's whatever. Right.

[Co-host]

It's just an art project. Yeah. That's so funny. If you have ever had your car bologna.

[Hannah]

I need details on that.

[Co-host]

I also want to know if anyone. You know the. Below. The Oscar Mayer car, the one that is literally a shape like baloney, like a wiener. The wiener car. If anybody's ever driven in that. Slightly unrelated, but I'd like to know what that was like too.

[Hannah]

Yeah. If you've ever driven in the wiener.

[Co-host]

Shaped Oscar in the wiener mobile, I'm dead.

[Hannah]

Oh, my God. So funny.

[Co-host]

This was a lot. That's a weird. That's a tough One. But it worked. I'm glad it worked out. And I. I think we have a little more closure than normal, which is nice, you know, where the case. Where they took the case next and could be relatively confident in your evidence. You didn't have to testify or anything, right?

[Hannah]

Nope. There was no testify. There was no. None of that. I imagine the judge was like, I see what's going on here. You know, say no more, fam. Like, you know what I mean?

[Co-host]

Yeah. Oh, that. That defense was like, I'll just throw this in the trash. I guess there's nothing you can do.

[Mackenzie]

And I think this is a little bit of an aside, but I just want to clarify that this story and our conversation, like, drug addiction is a whole other conversation. And we have a lot of empathy for the struggle that this woman may have been going through. And I think, like, we can separate that and that's a real struggle. And also talk about the severity of the situation for her kids. Like, impact over intent, you know, like.

[Hannah]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mackenzie]

So.

[Co-host]

Well, thank you for always bringing the tea.

[Hannah]

I'm sorry that sometimes there's no closure, you guys, but that. But we did get good closure on this one, so.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And also, that's life, baby.

[Hannah]

Yeah, that's. God, I couldn't imagine, like, being the new wife also would be like, oh, what have I gotten myself into? But she really loved him. They really, you know, they were doing. They were doing good together and they were having a baby. And so of course they wanted to make sure the baby was safe, you know.

[Co-host]

Of course. No, clearly. But definitely she had some good stories for her girlfriends, I'm sure, for her group chat.

[Hannah]

Can you imagine? And now her baby's like, almost 20. That's crazy.

[Co-host]

That is crazy. You were saying it. You were like, this was 19 years ago. I'm like, oh, long time ago. One of your first cases, too? A little.

[Hannah]

One of my very first ones. Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

Doing the worst. And look at you now. Well, I'm excited for more and I want everybody. It's been. Last week was technically our two year anniversary. Can you tell me. I can't. Tell us your favorite mackenzie Undercover episodes.

[Hannah]

Yeah. What's your favorite? Like, what's your. Like. Oh, my God. No, I'm just. These stories are freaking crazy. Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

I know, I know. I'm like, still processing this mom doing coke off the least frank lunchbox. Anyway, join Patreon if you want to vent with us.

[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

Money shot. The girlfriend experience.

[Hannah]

Stop it. Everyone chill out. It's a family show. Not really, but kind of anyways.

[Co-host]

Oh, and also, just a tip. Sorry. Now you've got my brain there.

[Hannah]

Just the t up.

[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

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[Hannah]

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[Co-host]

Notes and as always, trust your tuition. Bye, y'all.

[Hannah]

Bye.