Mackenzie Undercover: The Mall Crush

Summary

The Dating Detectives: Mackenzie Undercover – "The Mall Crush"

Episode Release Date: December 30, 2024
Hosts: Dear Media (Private Investigator Mackenzie Fultz and Comedian Hanna Anderson)
Podcast Description:
Join professional Private Investigator Mackenzie Fultz and Comedian Hanna Anderson each week as they delve deep into the stories of the liars, cheaters, and con-men who have left a trail of broken hearts and shattered trust in the dating world. We'll uncover the lies, scams, and manipulations of these con artists, shining a light on the red flags to watch out for in the wild west of dating apps.

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1. Introduction

In this special episode of The Dating Detectives, hosts Mackenzie Fultz and Hanna Anderson come together in person at the Dear Media Studios, marking a departure from their usual remote recordings. The atmosphere is lively as they share their excitement about attending a Spotify Wrapped end-of-year party, reflecting on the show's growing popularity and listener support.

Notable Quotes:

• Hanna Anderson [01:38]: “Seeing those numbers on the Spotify raft made everything better. I was like, this is fine.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [02:13]: “Should we get into Mackenzie Undercover? I’m so excited that we’re in person.”

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2. Overview of Mackenzie’s Case: The Mall Crush

Mackenzie introduces a unique case that deviates from their usual narratives of infidelity. This case revolves around investigating potential insurance fraud rather than relationship deceit. She shares her experiences in handling surveillance for insurance companies, particularly focusing on individuals who claim injuries to gain financial compensation.

Notable Quotes:

• Mackenzie [03:05]: “A huge portion of my private investigation business is insurance fraud.”
• Hanna [04:11]: “Do they even tell you what the injury is or whatever?”

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3. Detailed Surveillance Accounts

Mackenzie recounts her surveillance of a seemingly unassuming man who exhibits odd behavior by frequently visiting a shoe store at the mall without making any purchases. Her mission is to uncover whether his claims of injury hold any merit or if he is fabricating his situation for financial gain.

Key Points:

• Initial Surveillance [07:15]: Mackenzie begins following the man, noting his lack of a clear job and his peculiar choice of mall, which is three towns away from his residence.
• Behavioral Observations [10:22]: She describes the man’s excessive shoe shopping, attempting to find any inconsistency between his claims of injury and his actions.
• Suspicious Interactions [14:06]: Mackenzie notices the man flirting with a female clerk, which raises red flags about his intentions.
• Sleepovers and Patterns [28:35]: Her surveillance reveals the man’s interactions with another woman staying at his house, suggesting possible deceit or multiple relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Mackenzie [08:41]: “He pulled into the parking lot, and he already passed three malls. So clearly I’m busted.”
• Mackenzie [12:31]: “If this guy’s claiming injuries or he claims he can’t bend over, this is a great video.”

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4. Observations and Insights

Throughout her surveillance, Mackenzie employs keen observation skills to decode the man's behavior. She highlights the importance of body language in identifying deceit and the challenges of piecing together the true narrative without direct evidence.

Key Points:

• Body Language [34:25]: Mackenzie explains how changes in the man’s posture, such as his shoulders moving from tension to relaxation, indicate his awareness of being followed.
• Ethical Boundaries [38:15]: She reflects on the ethical limitations of her work, emphasizing the importance of maintaining professional boundaries despite personal curiosity.

Notable Quotes:

• Mackenzie [34:25]: “His shoulders were up to his ears, but when they passed that store, his shoulders were down by his elbows. Like, he was, like, relieved.”
• Mackenzie [38:38]: “I never even skipped school because I was like, I’m gonna get in big trouble.”

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5. Ethical Dilemmas and Challenges

Mackenzie delves into the psychological toll of her work, particularly the anxiety stemming from unresolved cases and the pressure to provide closure for her clients. She discusses the fine line between professional duty and personal obsession, highlighting the emotional complexities faced by private investigators.

Key Points:

• Anxiety and Lack of Closure [39:06]: Mackenzie describes her struggle with anxiety due to the absence of definitive outcomes in her cases.
• Professional Ethics [44:08]: She underscores the legality and ethical considerations of surveillance work, ensuring she stays within legal boundaries to avoid repercussions.

Notable Quotes:

• Mackenzie [39:06]: “Do you know what that does to a person?”
• Mackenzie [44:08]: “It's just, it just borders the line of, like, unethical.”

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6. Conclusion and Audience Engagement

As the episode wraps up, Mackenzie and Hanna reflect on the intricate nature of surveillance work and the ongoing quest for truth and closure. They invite listeners to engage by sharing their theories and experiences, fostering a community of support and shared insights.

Key Points:

• Listener Engagement [43:31]: The hosts encourage listeners to submit their theories about the case, fostering interactive participation.
• Cathartic Sharing [48:23]: They highlight the therapeutic aspect of sharing personal stories, both for the hosts and the audience.

Notable Quotes:

• Hanna [43:31]: “We have to submit to us what your thoughts are, like, what your theory is.”
• Mackenzie [48:35]: “Think I’m working through my problems with a better health therapist.”

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Key Takeaways and Insights

• Red Flags in Behavior: Mackenzie emphasizes identifying inconsistencies between claimed injuries and physical actions, such as the excessive shoe shopping without purchases.
• Importance of Body Language: Subtle cues like posture changes can indicate underlying deceit or awareness of being followed.
• Emotional Strain of Surveillance: The psychological impact on private investigators, including anxiety and lack of closure, highlights the demanding nature of the profession.
• Ethical Boundaries: Maintaining professionalism and adhering to legal standards is crucial to prevent ethical violations in surveillance work.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Hanna Anderson [01:38]: “Seeing those numbers on the Spotify raft made everything better. I was like, this is fine.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [03:05]: “A huge portion of my private investigation business is insurance fraud.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [08:41]: “He pulled into the parking lot, and he already passed three malls. So clearly I’m busted.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [12:31]: “If this guy’s claiming injuries or he claims he can’t bend over, this is a great video.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [34:25]: “His shoulders were up to his ears, but when they passed that store, his shoulders were down by his elbows. Like, he was, like, relieved.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [39:06]: “Do you know what that does to a person?”
• Mackenzie Fultz [44:08]: “It's just, it just borders the line of, like, unethical.”
• Hanna Anderson [43:31]: “We have to submit to us what your thoughts are, like, what your theory is.”
• Mackenzie Fultz [48:35]: “Think I’m working through my problems with a better health therapist.”

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Final Thoughts

In "The Mall Crush," Mackenzie Fultz provides a compelling narrative that underscores the complexities and emotional challenges of private investigation within the realm of dating and personal relationships. Her detailed account offers listeners a behind-the-scenes look at surveillance work, highlighting both the investigative techniques employed and the personal toll it can take. The episode not only entertains but also educates listeners on the subtle signs of deceit and the importance of ethical boundaries in uncovering the truth.

Listeners are encouraged to engage by sharing their own theories and experiences, fostering a community that supports awareness and vigilance in the often murky waters of modern dating.

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Transcript

[A]

The following program contains names, places and events that have been anonymized or fictionalized for the purposes of protection and safety. The following program is provided for entertainment purposes only, and any commentary from the hosts are strictly conjecture and should not be held as making any definitive statements about the truth or identity of any particular individuals or circumstances. If you or a loved one are involved in an abusive relationship, please call the National Domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-7233 for support.

[B]

There is something very special about this Monday. We're actually together in person. This is so fun. So we're actually in a studio recording together. I'm in la.

[A]

Yes. And we're in the Dear Media Studios, which I think we can share now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right, Molly. Yay.

[B]

We have Molly, who you guys know is the producer. She's in here with us.

[A]

It's so cool.

[B]

I'm so glad to be here.

[A]

Thank you for flying all the way. Excited because we get to go to a little Spotify event tomorrow.

[B]

So how fun is that? So we get to go to like the Spotify wrapped end of year party. So it feels really fancy.

[A]

That's actually a perfect transition because we're recording this on Spotify wrapped day.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So to all who celebrate.

[B]

I could not believe our Spotify wrapped numbers. Like, you guys are freaking amazing. We love you guys so, so, so, so much. Thank you so, so much. It was really cool news because our. My flight from Tampa to Dallas and then Dallas. Dallas flight was delayed, so I had like three minutes to get to the next flight. My luggage didn't make it, so I was like panicking.

[A]

Notifications.

[B]

Yeah, I had the air tag in the luggage and. And we're tracking it like, oh, God, did it get here? And it arrived on the next flight, which was like 30 minutes later. So it's fine. But seeing those numbers on the Spotify raft like made everything better. I was like, this is fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we really appreciate you guys so, so much. Thank you for all of your love and support and especially to our patreoners who pay the $5 a month to support us. And you get those extra bonus episodes every month, which is really fun. And hang out with us a couple times a month.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Patreon link is on the show notes, so if you wanna join our Patreon, just click on that.

[A]

Should we get into Mackenzie Undercover? I'm so excited that we're in person.

[B]

Yeah. This is so. This is so cool. I love doing the in person. We did, didn't we do a MacKenzie undercover? The last time I was here, I think so. It's weird because when we're recording, I'm in Tampa and Hannah's in la. And so we see each other on a screen and we have the headphones on, but this time we get actually look at each other and get real time responses.

[A]

Do you want me to, like, freeze every few seconds just to make you feel at home? Since the connection sometimes does that to us.

[B]

It really does happen. Yeah, let's. So let's get into it. I think this one might throw you off a little bit.

[A]

What does that mean? That can mean so many things. Okay. Okay.

[B]

So, Hannah.

[A]

Hi.

[B]

How do my mackenzie undercover stories typically start?

[A]

You got a call from either a husband or a wife. Wife. Wife. That she thinks her husband's cheating.

[B]

It's neither.

[A]

This one, I'm already.

[B]

I knew this one was gonna throw you off. Okay, so I don't know if you guys know this, but. So a huge portion of my private investigation business is insurance fraud. So I do a lot of surveillance on people that have either gotten a car accident or worker's comp or slip and fall, like liability cases. Either way, just picture, like, someone gets hurt and they're suing someone else because they want a bunch of money because they got hurt due to this person's negligence or whatever. Right. A lot of those cases. And I don't know from the insurance company or from the attorneys, I don't know what their red flags are for. How they determine they want surveillance on these people, I have no idea. All I know is that I get the case and they say, hey, we want you to do surveillance on this person. They give me maybe a name, maybe an address. That's it.

[A]

Do they even tell you what the injury is or whatever?

[B]

Oftentimes, no. And most of the time, I don't want to know because I don't want to go into my investigation bias by any means. That's interesting. So I always poke fun at myself on my social media when I tell these stories. I call myself Paul Blart, Mall Cop. Okay, so imagine a segue and a whistle and a clipboard, like, that's it. Like, that's all my job is. I observe and report, observe and report. Yeah. That's all I do. So when I do surveillance, imagine I'm sitting in a blacked out car parked in a spot where no one would really notice that I'm there. No one can see inside doing my surveillance, minding everybody's business from a place of discretion. So my job not only requires me to sit and watch people and document everything that they do, but that it requires me to follow them. So if they leave their house, wherever they go, I follow them. If they drive away in their car, I drive away in mine. I follow them, whether it be to McDonald's or to Walmart or the grocery store or whatever. So there's a lot of cases where I go to do surveillance, and it doesn't exactly turn out the way that I might think it's gonna go. So you said you. Usually my cases start with a husband or a wife. Call me. What? No, this was a lawyer. Just an attorney. Attorney's office. They call and they say, hey, I want to do surveillance on this person. Here's his name and address. That's it. Like, most of the time, that's all I get.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. So this attorney sends me over the information, and like I said, most of the time, I don't get a lot of info. It's up to do a little bit of digging. And of course, I want to find out more about this person because I want to know what's going to best help my case.

[A]

Like, where are they going every day?

[B]

Right. But I want to know the best times to do my surveillance. So when a client calls me, when an attorney calls me, they're leaving it up to me. They're saying, hey, I want 8 or 16 or 24 or 32, however many hours of surveillance. So it's usually like 8 hours is one day, 16 hours is two days, and so on and so forth. So they'll tell you what their budget is, how many days they want to do surveillance for, and that's how long you go do the surveillance. But it's up to you as the investigator to determine what days you're going to go. So I like to do research and find out, okay, based on this person works here, perhaps. I know that they do this every day. Those are the days I'm gonna go do surveillance. Cause I know that I'll see them doing something. And so you just try to narrow it down. So when I do research before I go do a case, I try to find out, like, if they're involved in any activities. Do they have a job that they speak of? Is there any social media? Is there anything that would indicate a time or a day that they leave or go somewhere or do something. But if I can't find anything, I just pick a day and just start my surveillance. There's, you know, there's nothing else I can do.

[A]

And you didn't find anything with that?

[B]

I just didn't find anything. But I did not find like he ex. And he is, he's just a low key guy. He has a social media, but they're very private. He doesn't post like, so I just didn't think anything of it. And I was like, all right, he's. And that happens a lot. I know sometimes we call that a red flag if you can't really find.

[A]

Dating and you can't find somebody on the Internet.

[B]

But this guy wasn't really a red flag. I just, he just didn't have a lot.

[A]

So you just picked a random day.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

To follow.

[B]

And that's often like sometimes you don't know when to start. You just got to start. And then people are creatures of habit. And so if someone leaves at 11am on a Tuesday, then, you know, they leave there in their cargo shorts and flip flops and they start their day. That's usually probably when they're gonna start their day every day. So you can kind of get a good idea. So I get this guy's information, I go to his house, I go there first thing in the morning. You get there at like 5:30, 6:00 in the morning. You start really early. So you can, you never know how early these people are gonna get up. You go do surveillance and you just wait and you see what they do. So this guy gets up about 10, 11 o'clock in the morning and he gets his day started. So he, he's not working. I can't find a place where he's working. He didn't leave for work. In the morning he gets in his car and he goes to the mall, which is not the mall closest to his house, not the mall second closest to his house, but a mall that was like three towns over and he's going shopping and I'm like, didn't we pass like three malls on the way here? Like, why is he at this mall? So because of that. I thought that he was going further, but I had gotten busted. I was like, oh no. He pulled into the parking lot of this mall and he already passed three malls. So clearly I'm busted. Like, he knows I'm on him. He's gonna see if I'm following him or whatever. So I'm trying to be real, real careful. Wait. Right, okay.

[A]

You thought he busted you because it was just like obvious that you would be following.

[B]

Yeah, like it was weird that you go to three malls away and then you pull into a Parking lot. And I'm like, oh, man, I hope he didn't notice me following him. And now he's trying to see if, like, I'll follow behind him, like, trying to test me. And so I remember getting really nervous, and I was like, oh, God, man, I hope I'm not busted. And it's. It was the first day of surveillance, so it's better to kind of not be right on their ass the first day, because you can always go back other days and see what they're doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I wanted to be really careful, so I let him get far ahead of me. Well, then I stayed way far back in the mall parking lot and let him get close to the building. So I watched him from afar. And my camera zooms in, like, a lot. So I was able to zoom in with my camera. I could see him get out of the car and walk into the mall. He didn't look my direction at all. So I could tell that he was literally just going into the mall. Well, because I was so far away, I couldn't follow him immediately inside the mall. So I waited till he got inside. And I was just kind of playing it cool the first day. I didn't want to get burned. Didn't want him to notice me if he hadn't already. So I waited a few minutes, and then I go pull up by his car, and that's where I decide I'm gonna park. So I have a couple choices here, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can either just hang out outside the mall and wait for him to come out and leave, but if I'm a surveillance investigator, and this attorney has called me and said, hey, we wanna see what this guy's doing. You gotta go into the mall and see what he's doing. Right. How is he moving? What's he doing? Am I a doctor? No. Do I have any training to be able to determine if someone's hurt? Nope, absolutely not.

[A]

But some of those malls have, like, orange theory in the middle of the mall. And, like, maybe he's going to work out or walk.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? You never know.

[B]

You never know. But the thing is, no matter what he does, it's never up to me to determine if he's injured. But it is up to me to hold that video camera so that I can just get video. That's all I want to do is just get video. But. So, yeah, he. He was cute.

[A]

I'm glad I asked.

[B]

He's like, hot, tall, like, tattoos. So anyways, because I had waited and he had already Gone. The mall. I parked my car and I decided I'm gonna go into the mall and try to look for him, right? Because I'm like, well, if I want to see what he's doing, I'm gonna go in. And the chances of me finding him in a mall are not super great, but if you kind of think outside the box, you think, okay, where did he park? What stores are near here? And he's like a, you know, mid-40s man. Like, he's not gonna go to like, Ann Klein probably. Right. Like, you kind of start narrowing things down.

[A]

He's not going to Claire's.

[B]

Yeah. And so you start to use your noggin a little bit. So I was like, okay, shoe stores, you know, dudes, like, to. Tennis shoes, whatever. And Bingo Bango, the very first shoe store that I came across, I see him sitting on the bench and he had three boxes of shoes right next to him. And little by little he's trying shoes on. Okay? So he is, he's, you know, they're different. They're not even this, like, totally different styles. Like, you can just tell he is just like winging it with the shoes. Like one. One was like boots, one was like sandals, one was 10. Like, he's all over the place with these shoes. Right. Like, usually if you go to a shoe store.

[A]

Yeah. You, like, have someone you need.

[B]

You're looking for a particular type. Shoes are expensive. So by the way, Hannah and I are wearing like matching shoes.

[A]

I know. We both have green and pink. I know we're very Glinda and Elphaba.

[B]

We're very wicked, very cute. So.

[A]

So he's shopping all willy nilly, if you will.

[B]

All willy nilly. And so I, I think it's really weird, but I don't think anything of it. It's not my job to determine, oh, what shoes. Like, obviously I documented it.

[A]

I love the idea of you being like, he bought some ugly shoes, you honor, some God awful sneakers. That should also be part of the charge.

[B]

They were awful. And so I just document it and it's up to me to kind of obtain this video of him. And at this point, like, he's bending over, he's putting the shoes on, and I'm like, oh, this is great. Like, if this guy's claiming injuries or he claims he can't bend over, this is a great video.

[A]

How are you videoing him? Are you like outside the window with it, like, peeking out of your purse, like. No, I'm just a sneaky, sneaky way to do It.

[B]

I usually just go in and like sit right next to them on the bench or something.

[A]

And they don't notice.

[B]

No. That you hide in plain sight.

[A]

Such idiots.

[B]

A lot of private investigators are like ex law enforcement, ex FBI. They have like flames tattooed on their head. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're like, they got muscles for days. Like the leather, like vest. Biker dudes, whatever. And so if you see me, I'm just a girl in a mall shopping, right? I'm a mom. Like, I'm just a regular girl. Like, no, just a girl. I'm just. I can't. Can't do.

[A]

Can't do for myself. Oh my God. Okay, so you just. So I just film the guy?

[B]

Yeah, I just go wherever I can get a clear shot where there's not a pillar or a person blocking me. And I just pick up a shoe while my camera's pointing out and pretend to look at. Like, you just shop and no one notices? Like it. They just don't notice. And it's nerve wracking at first, but after 20 years, you just get used to it. Like, yes, this is shopping. Like, if I know anything, it's shopping. Yeah, I know what women look like when they shop. And so you just like, whatever. So anyway, so he's trying on all these different shoes. And I noticed that he would, whenever he was trying on the shoes, he would constantly look around the store. Like he's looking back and forth left and right. He's like, it looked like he was looking for someone. And I'm like, that's really weird. And he would always wait until there was this one female clerk at the shoe store before he would like, he would pretend to try on the shoes when like the guy came out. But when she came out, he would be like, oh, miss, can I? Whatever.

[A]

Okay, so he has a little footlock.

[B]

Yeah, he is. Yeah, he has a little shoe store crush. And I can see that he's into this girl. And I'm like, this is press. It's fine, whatever. So I'm thinking, okay, this guy, he's. He has a little crush on this girl. It's fine, you know, do what you got to do. Boo. Okay, so he is flirting with this girl. So like when she would come over and bring him another shoe, he tried on probably like 17 pairs of shoes that day. Like, it was excessive.

[A]

Hey, if she makes commission, then good on her, right?

[B]

She was working for that paycheck. So anyway, so he's trying on like a zillion and a half pairs of shoes. And she is just. He's like, I'll take this, son. And I think he was throwing random sizes. And she would go back and forth, and he would just sit there like, Forrest Gump, like, with his hands on his legs.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Like, you know how Forrest Gump on the bench. And he would sit there with his hands on his legs and he would just, like, watch her walk out. And then she came back and he would. A gentleman. He would take the boxes and put them down. He would say, thank you so much, and he'd smile and wave, whatever. And it was really cute. And I was like, this fella. Okay, he really likes this girl. Whatever. Well, it's very difficult. Like, very rarely do people sit in a shoe store for that long. It was like an over an hour at this point that he's trying on shoes. And I'm sitting there, like, looking at 11,700 pairs of shoes, like, picking it up.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Like, because I'm just getting video documentation of him. Like, I don't want to leave the store. And there was even a point where, like, I left the store and then went across to. It was like journeys or something across the street from that store and then came back to make it look like I was, like, comparing shoe. Whatever. I didn't want to stay in there for a zillion years.

[A]

Come up to you and like, yeah.

[B]

And like, they were. They were like, can I get you a size? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I just gotta wait. And then I did end up trying on a couple pairs of shoes just so I didn't look like an asshole. Like a creeper. Anyway, so this guy doesn't buy any shoes. Okay. Leaves the store and then he goes to. I think he went to, like, Dick's Sporting Goods across the street and then came back and went to, like, Dillard's or something stupid. Like, he's in the men's section.

[A]

Like, he didn't buy any shoes, though.

[B]

Polo, Ralph Lauren. He's going to all his dad stores. And so I'm like. And this guy, he's not buying a dang thing. Like, nothing. I just thought it was really, really weird. Well, then he goes back to the shoe store, and I'm like, for sure I'm gonna get busted if I go back into the shoe store. And he goes back into the shoe store. So you know how when you walk through the mall, there's, like, those, like, cell phone kiosks and, like, the jewelry kiosks?

[A]

Oh, sure. They strain your hair for you.

[B]

Yeah, they're like, do you wanna. And so, yeah, they're passing out, like, perfume and lotions. So I go over there to one of these kiosks and strike up a conversation with the clerk at the kiosk on the side of the tape of the side of the kiosk where I can see into the shoe store. And at this point, I can't videotape him, but the glare and the window and, like, the people walking by, you just couldn't get good video. But I had to keep an eye on him and see what he was doing. So I see that he has her sitting down at this point on the bench, and they're talking. And you can tell, like, before, she didn't bat an eye at him, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But this time, when I could see them talking, you could tell that she was really comfortable, like, she had known him. They were just like. You know how you can read, like, body language? Like, her shoulders were leaned in. She wasn't, like, standoffish.

[A]

It was intimate.

[B]

Yeah, it's a little bit, like, not intimate sexual, but, like, it was very intimate. It was like she knew I could tell, and I was like, this is really weird. Right.

[A]

I'm trying to think of what they're like. Are they trying to hide? Well, from some.

[B]

He's so flirty. And then.

[A]

Yeah, so he's not.

[B]

She wasn't at first. But then when I'm looking in, so I'm like, I have to get in there, and I have to hear what they're saying. Right. So I decide to go back into the shoe store after talking to this jewelry clerk for, like, 20 minutes.

[A]

MacKenzie, do you have to get back in there for the case, or.

[B]

Okay, so listen. So here's the deal. Not only do I have an interest in this because I'm getting paid to do the surveillance, and I want to know what's going on so that I can paint a picture for my client. But also, what the crap is he doing and what is she doing? So am I nosy? Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. The answer is yes, you did have to get back in there. The answer is yes, I have to.

[B]

For so many reasons matter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yes, I had to get back in there, and I was like, I need. I need to be able to paint a better picture. Like, why is he at the mall? Why is he, like. It was like, he left the store to, like, kill time and then come back almost to be like. So that he wouldn't be in there the whole time. Anyways, we're like two and a half hours at the mall at this point, right? Like, he is strolling. He has nothing better to do, nowhere to go. So it comes time to. It's like about 2:00 at this point in the afternoon. And he's still in and out of the shoe store. He's now left the shoe store again. He came back, didn't buy any shoes. Still didn't buy any shoes. When him and the clerk walk out of the store together, and I'm like, oh, like, they're mate. Like, is this his dog? Like, she was like a little bit younger. Like a lot younger than her. And so I'm like, is this like a daughter? Like, she's comfortable with him. Nothing sexual, but also, like.

[A]

But wasn't he being flirty?

[B]

A little bit flirty or like, he knew. And I was like, maybe he just, like, knows her. Maybe he's just, like playing around with her. Like, that's his daughter and whatever. I don't know. Okay? I didn't know at this point. I was like, what the hell? So they leave the store and they walk out of the mall, and I'm like, they're leaving together and his car is parked on the other side by the food court. It's not parked over here. So I'm like, they're. Where are they? Okay, so whenever they left the mall and I see that they're walking out the door, I watch and I see what car they get into. Okay? Because I need to know. I want to get the tag number of this car. Because if I can't follow them, at least I can identify the car and the person. Whatever. So this girl is. By the way, she was. I ran the tag and she is much younger than him by about 18 years.

[A]

Copy that.

[B]

Okay, whatever. Listen, this is either daddy or Daddy. So anyways, so I see that. So I'm thinking they're about to leave. So once I get the tag number, I book it across the middle of the mall to get to the other side where the food court is so that I can get to my car so that I can, you know, go around and follow them, whatever. So I'm thinking at this point I have to try, you know. So by the time I get my car and I zoom around the mall and I go to where they were parked so I could see what exits they. There's only really one exit they could kind of go out of from there and then just do my best to try and find them. It's the middle of the day and the mall doesn't open until like, 10 or 11, so her shift isn't over. So I knew they were going to come back, so I wasn't super worried about it.

[A]

Interesting. Okay.

[B]

But then I look over to go to their starting point where they would leave from, and I see the car is still there. And I'm like, okay, well, this probably took me, if I ran, probably three to four minutes to get from where they. When I saw them get into the car, took the license plate and darted across the middle of the mall to go back to where my car was parked and then come around to them. Like, it was a couple minutes. They could have been gone and I could have lost them. But you still try to find them. So anyways, I see the car is still there. I'm relieved because I'm like, okay. And I'm sitting in my car, and at this point, my car is still on because I'm waiting for them to pull. I'm like, okay, they're gonna pull out any second. Like, I've been gone a long time. Are they.

[A]

Sorry, you set me up.

[B]

Is he, though?

[A]

Is he.

[B]

So I think the car is gonna leave, and I'm. And then I realize that this car is not moving. But the car is moving, but it's not moving. And listen, if the cars are rocking, don't come and knock it. Stop.

[A]

No, kid, you're kidding me.

[B]

So all I see, like, why does.

[A]

Everybody go in the car? I don't know.

[B]

They can't do it in the mall. And I'm like, for sure that's not his daughter. Like, that. There's no.

[A]

Good Lord. Okay, So I.

[B]

At this point, listen, I am not easily embarrassed. I'm not shy. I don't blush. E. Like, I don't. There's. I do not clutch my pearls. I've seen a lot, right? It's whatever. I'm not queasy. But they get in this car and like, oh, my land. You can hear them from my car with my window. And so I'm. Listen, I've seen this, like, several dozen times. People doing it in cars.

[A]

Like, she's on her break.

[B]

She. Whatever. She's on lunch. This is. She acted. But what was strange that she acted like she didn't know him at first. But anyways, anywho.

[A]

Honestly, that's, like, less strange to me because I feel like I've done that.

[B]

Where it's like, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, hey. Even if, like, no big deal.

[A]

My boyfriend now was, like, being like, if I was at work, and he Was like, being flirty. I'd be like, stop. Go away. Like, I don't know, maybe I'm just black.

[B]

Normal. I know normal.

[A]

I'm just like, not. I could see her being like, like, okay, stop. Like, not making out of it.

[B]

And then like, later on, she's like, okay, let's go.

[A]

Fine, we can go in the car. Maybe she's embarrassed by him.

[B]

Well, or maybe her boyfriend works at.

[A]

Foot Locker too.

[B]

By the way, I. It is. It's not footlocker. So anyways, so I see that this cars are rocking, and I'm like, oh, great, they're not going anywhere. So I turn the car off, right? Cause then the headlights go off, whatever. And you can hear them from inside my car with the windows up and the next aisle over. And you can hear her with, oh. Like, oh. And I'm like, oh, boy.

[A]

That was more like George of the Jungle.

[B]

Jane.

[A]

But sure, sure. Not judging.

[B]

And so 30 minutes goes by, right? And I'm thinking, her lunch. Like, how long is your lunch break? Like, are you done? And so, sure enough, like 25, 30 minutes goes by, and they're rushing out of the car, and she's rushing, and she's like fixing her pants. And she's going back into the mall. And he walks her back into the mall.

[A]

A gentleman.

[B]

What a kind fella he is.

[A]

What a nice man. Oh, my.

[B]

He held her hand until they got into the mall. And then he let go.

[A]

Something sneaky.

[B]

Okay? So they go back to the mall and he walks her inside. Whatever. Goes to another store, comes back, tries on more shoes. Doesn't buy any. Okay, weird. And then after, after about an hour, he goes home.

[A]

Oh, I thought he was gonna wait for her next 15 and just be.

[B]

Like, oh, God, we got 15 minutes. Two minutes to the car, two minutes out. That's like, carry the one, like nine minutes. Let's go. So anyways, he leaves and he goes home. Well, that night I'm still doing surveillance. Because at this point it's like, I don't know, it's like 5:00 by the time he gets home, right? And so I'm like, well, let me just see what he does for dinner. Like, let's just make this a long day of surveillance. Like, let's just document the whole, whole day. A car pulls up in his driveway. About 6:30, 7:00. It just starts getting dark. Car pulls up, a woman gets out and goes inside. Now, I've looked him up. I did a little bit of research on him. He's not married or he doesn't have any legal like marriages. There's nothing going on. And so I'm like, okay, who's this chick?

[A]

So it's not the same.

[B]

It's not the same girl. It's a totally different girl, totally different car. So I run the tag. And this is a woman approximately his same age who lives like two neighborhoods over. She lives close by, like you know, maybe it's a friend, whatever. And about an hour and a half goes by and she's inside. You can't tell what's going on. I can't videotape inside. But he comes out about an hour and a half later. By the time it's like, I don't know, 8:00, 8, 8:30, something like that. And he walks her out, it was a reasonable time. Walks her out to her car, kisses her goodbye.

[A]

You got a kiss.

[B]

They kissed confirmation. And then she leaves. And that was that. Right? For the whole day. And then he goes back inside and that was it. Okay, so that's one day of surveillance, like one and a half days of surveillance. Right. So this was like a two or three day case. So I decide as a PI like you have a caseload and so you put, you work your cases when it's best for the case. Well, this guy doesn't work and he's, well, he's not working that I know of. And he just goes to the mall.

[A]

And hangs out at a shoe store all day.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm like, I can follow him anytime. I didn't work him the next day. I waited until like a random day later that week and I go do surveillance on him again when it suited my schedule. And I was like, we'll go do surveillance on him, get there early just in case. And that woman that he walked out from the night before, her car was there in the driveway at like 5:45 in the morning with dew, like the morning dew on the wind. Like you can tell she's the car has been there all night. Right. So she leaves about 7:30, 7:45. So this woman clearly spent the night. Okay, so now mind you, when I ran her tag, I was looking her up on the Google machine. Like I'm trying to find out who is this girl is like a girlfriend. I don't find much on her. Like they're. I don't know if maybe they're newly dating or something. She leaves his house at like 7:45, he walks her out in his boxer shorts and she's fully dressed, ready for her Office job. You can tell they've spent the night together. So I'm like, okay, so he's got a girlfriend. Like maybe she's just randomly spending the night. Night. This dude goes to the mall again that day and again takes the girl on her lunch break, doodly dads her in the car in the parking lot and goes back in, tries on a bazillion shoes. It's almost like she coached him. She's like, if you're going to be in the store, you got to try on shoes or they're going to get. Where's the manager?

[A]

You think a manager would notice the same guy coming in multiple times and doing nothing?

[B]

You would think they've got like some like, are there grownups that work here? Because there's like a bunch of 12 year olds that work at these retail stores, right? But you would think that one of them was like, hey guys, like, why is this stranger danger?

[A]

Like also with stealing, like, when I worked in retail, that was like the biggest thing. It was like, they could be stealing that too.

[B]

And so I'm like, where's the grownups? Like, what's happening? So anyways, so he does the same thing again that night. He goes back home. Same time, it was a little bit earlier this time. He didn't stay as long that time. So it's like maybe like 3:30, 4:00 instead of like 5. And like it's not as close to dinner time. So he goes home and the girl, the woman from that stayed the night is at the house.

[A]

Already there.

[B]

She's already there. Like how? Like she got a key. Like, does she have a drawer?

[A]

Like serious.

[B]

Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. That's not casual.

[B]

No, not at all. And he's kissing her and he's kissing the other girl. And I'm like, y'all got cooties? You better hope not. Cause it's getting wild.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. So she's there and he pulls up in the driveway next to her car. And he walks inside, he's excited to see her. And he goes in, they're in for the rest of the night. Nothing happens.

[A]

Well, I wonder where she thinks he's going.

[B]

I'm like, where have you been? Oh, I was just at the mall trying on shoes. He ain't lying. So like, I don't know if maybe that was his thing.

[A]

Maybe she thinks he like has a job. Does he have a job?

[B]

Not that I know of. I can't find him working. When I did surveillance, he Wasn't working. Nothing weird.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[B]

So I decide I'm gonna go do surveillance on a weekend because now I want to see is the girlfriend there during the weekend? Is it just during the week? Like, is this a fling? Is he seeing both chicks? Like, what. Listen, this is an injury case. Okay.

[A]

I was gonna say. Just to clarify.

[B]

Just to clarify. And I can't. Like, listen, I can't see what they're doing in the car. The windows are dark. We. I live in Florida. Like, everybody has dark tinted windows because it's hot. You'll die. Like, it's a whole big thing. The sun is very bright. It's. It's a whole. And you can. Whatever.

[A]

But you can just write down that you heard of the jungle noises.

[B]

To be honest with you. Like, the whole thing is that, like, you can't see what they're doing in the car, but you can't not. Not know what they're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you can't videotape it, so it can't be used against him. But again, I'm a paid observer. I am Paul Blart. Right. It's not my. It's not.

[A]

They didn't tell you specifically what you're looking for, so you should continue to look wherever you think it's.

[B]

But the report. Oh, my God. The report I wrote was a shit show.

[A]

I can't. Wait. Okay, wait, don't tell us. I want to. I want to. Happens on the weekend.

[B]

Yeah. So I go do surveillance on the weekend, and the girlfriend. The girlfriend? The girl. I'm saying the girlfriend. I don't know if she was a girlfriend.

[A]

The woman at the house.

[B]

The woman at the house that comes and goes.

[A]

The woman at the house?

[B]

Yeah, the one that he kissed goodbye and the one that spends the night or whatever. Her car is there, his car is there. They both have the morning dew on them. They both have been there all night. About midday, he leaves with her, and they're in her car.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So she's driving, he's in the passenger seat, And I'm like, oh, good. Where are they gonna go? What's gonna happen? As they're driving, I'm like, okay, where are they going? It's always like a. It's always nerve wracking. Like, where are they going? What are they gonna do today? You know? How long am I gonna be doing this case? Like, they pass the first mall, they pass the second mall, and I'm like, okay, they're. Whatever. They go to the third mall, stop they pull into the third mall, and I'm like, wait, what's gonna happen? Like, is this. Is this a joke?

[A]

Like, does she have a van? Cause they're gonna need a bigger car. This is. Wait. Oh, my God.

[B]

So they pull into this mall, and I'm like, this is like, why are they. This is. I'm like, does she know? And does he know? And does he know that she knows that he knows that she knows that she knows that he knows? I don't know what's gonna happen. So they park, and they start to walk inside together. They are holding hands. Like, he's. He did not grab her hand. She grabs his hand, and you could tell he's like. He's just kind of looking around, and I imagine that his palms were, like, dripping sweat.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because when they go into the mall and they start walking in that direction, he. You can tell by his body language. Like, he keeps saying, let's go this way, pointing in the other direction, like, oh, let's go to this store. Store. And she's like, no, I really want to go over here. So she's guiding him to this mall. This is where she wants to shop. She has dragged him to this mall, and now he is avoiding that shoe store like the plague. They go to walk by this store, and he, like, darts across the other side, and you can see him turning his whole body, walking sideways, looking in the window, where you're, like, scratching on.

[A]

The side of your face.

[B]

That's exactly what he was doing that way. And she's like, like, what are you doing?

[A]

I wonder if she knew. If she knew that he was cheating with the girl in there. And she was like, I don't know. That's just. Women are smart. Women are smart. Okay, keep going.

[B]

So there they pass the store, and they go into these other stores. They're shopping, and he. So as a PI you kind of acknowledge people's body language. And his shoulders were up to his ears, but when they passed that store, his shoulders were down by his elbows. Like, he was, like, relieved. Like, he was. You could just see he was so relaxed, right? And so I'm thinking, like, I'm like, damn, wouldn't that be some shit? Like, if he saw her and she saw them, and it was a whole big thing. Well, so they go into one store, and they're looking around, they're bebopping, and he's looking at men stuff. And then she brings them over to the shoes, and they're just shopping, like, regular, right?

[A]

Every time you say shoes, I'm like, I know, right?

[B]

So, no, they're just in this big department store, and they're going to all these different stores, and they're actually shopping. They're buying things now. It's just a regular shopping day with your partner, right? And so as they go to walk back the other way, his shoulders go right back up to his ears. And when you watch the video back, you can see where his shoulders, like, just start to go way up to, like, they are covering his neck. And you can see this body language. And you could. It was palpable. Like, you could cut that tension with a knife. And I was watching him going, oh, he's gonna get busted. And so you could see when they're walking by the store, his. I'm behind them, so. Because I want to see where they're going. But you can see where his face. Like, they are both facing front, but you can see the side of the. His left profile where he's kind of, like, looking out the. You can tell he's looking out to catch a glimpse. He wants to see if, like, she's in there. Does she notice him? Whatever. And he keeps. Like, when people are walking by, he's trying to. Like, there was a woman with a stroller, and he was trying to walk right beside her so she could block his view.

[A]

Hilarious.

[B]

Well, I go into the store because I. I let them kind of walk ahead of me, and I go into the store, and I'm looking for this girl, and she's working there. Like, she's clearly there. I don't think that she saw them, but she's clearly there. And as soon as he gets past the store, like, he looks behind him kind of halfway, and his shoulders drop again, like, he is so relieved. And they're just shopping, like, regular laughing, cutting up, having a good time. But anytime they went in that direction, his shoulders came way up, right? Yeah.

[A]

He lost it. Oh, my goodness.

[B]

So. But I'm about to break your heart.

[A]

I know. I kind of know.

[B]

So they're shopping, right? They do their shopping. It's been, like, two hours. They go into all these different stores. I'm just documenting Paul Blart. That's what I'm supposed to do, document what he's doing. They go to leave together. They go out to the car to, you know, whatever. Like, they're. They're leaving. They get in the car, they leave. They go to some restaurant, pick up, like, milkshakes or something and go home. They bring the purchases inside, and that's it. That was the end of my surveillance. And we don't know. So I turn it into the client. And I said, hey, and this report that I wrote, like, I wrote it, like, listen, what I would do, I had to paint this picture, right? And so I was like, listen, this is what happened. But you can't say, like, the subject went to visit his girlfriend. Like, you have to say the subject visited an unidentified female. And then later on in the report, this is the tag number of this vehicle. But you can't say that.

[A]

Like the car said vehicle.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. And so you're using, like all these proper terms. So you can basically, like the report churched it up. But let's be real, like, he was banging one chick and the other chick was like, kind of his. On, like, girlfriend, like, whatever, she stays at his house. And every time he went by that store, the hair on his neck, like a cat. You know how when a cat gets scared and like their whole tail gets, like, furry and fluffy and the hair on the back of the cat stands up? That was this guy. And so in the video, you see that. And so they go back to the house and go inside, take all the purchases inside, and that was it. That was the whole budget for the case. Like, I was done. Like, there was the client that I asked. I went to the client, I said, listen, I said, here's what happened, here's the report. And I said, but we gotta do some more surveillance on this guy. And he's like, it's not that kind of case. Basically, mind your business. No, so I got like, he's not one of us. I got like six hours of video of him, like, shopping, doing all these things. And the client's like, you did a great job. And I'm like, can we do some more?

[A]

Wait, so whatever you needed to find, you found.

[B]

I get. I don't. I don't know the outcome of the case. I'm sure they probably settled or something, but usually what happens is they'll say, oh, he's doing what he's doing. He can't do. Or they'll settle or whatever based on what I obtained. But they never asked me to do any more surveillance on him. And that was the end. There's no. I have. To this day, I have no idea if he ever got busted. If he. Whatever. He's not on social media. Like, I. You can't. There's no pictures of him or in any girl on any social media. It's very low key.

[A]

And the girl, that was the woman in his house. Do we know her social media situation.

[B]

Nothing very light, very. I can't find anything. There's nothing like they're very. I think she probably does something really professional, like maybe she's an attorney or something where it's like, yeah, she's like.

[A]

Waking up at 10 and not going to work. She's got to be bankrolling or something.

[B]

Something. But she's very, very private. And you can tell, you can tell some people are legit, but not really. She. Like, they have social media, but it's not. Yeah, they don't use it. Yeah, it's very professional, very low key. But to this day I have no idea. And it would be. Do you know how many times I want to go by there and just.

[A]

I was just gonna say, have you been back to the shoe store?

[B]

No, not at that mall, but there they. The guy lives several towns away. And I would never do this because it would be unethical and illegal. But there have been times I've thought about like, man, what if I just went by the house and like just saw if like the car was there. It would be cool to know. But that's it. That's. I'm not allowed to do anything like, that's it.

[A]

Well, I mean, I think as far.

[B]

As like he's having a tris, like a 20 year old at the shoe store and he' got a respectable age, working woman at his house and like I think he's banging them both.

[A]

And that I think you are on to. You should be a PI Because I want him.

[B]

I wanted the client to hire me for the. But that's, that's the thing though is that these cases, you never know what's going to happen. But do you. Do you guys know why I have such high anxiety? Because I don't know what happened.

[A]

Yeah, we don't know what you're doing when you go to the mall in the middle of the day.

[B]

Imagine watching a movie, watching like 20 years worth of movies and never being able to finish one of them. Do you know what that does to a person?

[A]

Are you okay?

[B]

It's like you put on a movie and watch like an hour and seven minutes of it and then boom, that's the end. And then you're like, we're just this.

[A]

Imagination on another level.

[B]

It makes my anxiety. I. I have to take meds for my anxiety because I don't know what's happening.

[A]

And now we have to suffer with you. But we're here. We. We are in it with you.

[B]

You signed up for this I did.

[A]

And I'm glad because I, like, you.

[B]

Literally signed a contract to do.

[A]

I just want to, like. I mean, I want to know if the girl in the store knows that he.

[B]

You see what I mean? And that's the thing, is that, like, when you're a PI and you're watching people do their life, it's like, what? Like the guy that took a dump in the middle of the Barnes and Nobles parking lot, brushed his teeth, and then went to work, and he makes, like, half a zillion dollars a year.

[A]

I think about that sometimes. What are you doing? I can't stop.

[B]

How do you. What do you do? Like, how does. How does that. Like, it's a lot. And you just want, like, what. What's going on?

[A]

I mean, the fact that she wanted to go specifically to this mall three malls away. Molly just said this to you? And I thought the same thing. I was like, she has to know that there's something going on here. But then.

[B]

Because she's choosing to go between malls. But I talk myself out of it.

[A]

Because I was like, I guess there are some malls that have the Nordstrom that you like.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. And this is why. This is why I didn't think very much of it, because exactly that. So in Tampa, we have, like, let's say the Brandon Mall, which is pretty big, but I know that mall like the back of my hand. There's some stores they don't have, like. They don't have a Kate Spade. Like, they don't have to go to your mall. Yeah. So you gotta find your mall. There's International Plaza, where I will go freaking broke, like, have to take out a mortgage, because that's where they have the good stores. And then there's like, the West Shore Mall, which is, like, kind of like brand, but it's. And then there's, like, University. I don't go to University Mall, but whatever.

[A]

I love this rundown. It's like, when we go to Tampa, we're gonna. Nowhere to shop.

[B]

Yeah. So this is what I'm saying is that, like, there's malls that you go to for certain things. And that's why, as someone who loves shopping as much as I do, I unders. I was like, oh, you go to the.

[A]

But I still wonder if maybe she had some inkling. Maybe she just wanted to see if he would say no. When she pitched going.

[B]

Every time that I was thinking, like.

[A]

Why would he agree to go? I was like.

[B]

I was like, oh, she pressured him to go, go. Because like, even when he got into the car, he was sulking. Like, he was like, man, what?

[A]

Wanna go?

[B]

Yeah, like, but he got.

[A]

She needs to leave him. He sounds like a child. For multiple reasons. Yeah, I want to hear all the theories. Your friend Chesney's here and Molly's here, and we're getting theories, which is great because you all have tons of theories. Please text us your theories, not text us. You don't have my number. I wish we could all text, but DM us. Email us.

[B]

Who do you think? Who do you think? Yeah, what do you think? It was like, Chessy just said it would be crazy if the woman's daughter. And she was like, oh, my daughter works here. And he's like, oh, my God, I'm banging the mom and her. Like, but listen, you guys, on surveillance, like, there. It. It has not. Not happened. Like, things like this happen all the time. And I'm so numb to the craziness. If that was the case, I would not be shocked. I would be like, oh, yeah, this happened.

[A]

Yeah. I think if it was, like, a surprise and he didn't realize it was mom and daughter, then that's like, too. That's a move. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a guy that was, like, into that and, like, discussing about it.

[B]

But also, no wonder he didn't buy anything, because he'd have to go home.

[A]

To the girl and be like, but.

[B]

She doesn't live there.

[A]

Yeah, I think she sounds like she needs another. She needs to date a man rather than a man.

[B]

Ever since that client, every time that client, that specific client hands me another case and like, hey, can you work this case? I'm like, you remember that one mall case? Can I work that one again? And they're like, ha, ha, no. And I'm like, you left laugh.

[A]

But that was the most exciting day of my life.

[B]

It's wild. Like, I need. I need closure. Like, it's bad. It's so you. I.

[A]

Hey, let's go shoe shopping.

[B]

I have no clue.

[A]

Okay, I'll come to Tampa to go shoe shopping.

[B]

We're. What? What?

[A]

You What?

[B]

He might have needed a third person, you guys. Chesney said he might have needed a third.

[A]

He was just taking interviews.

[B]

You mean, like, maybe I love being here in person. Keep. You have to keep that in.

[A]

I think the fellow girl probably doesn't know.

[B]

She probably doesn't know. And if she. If she did know, that might be why he's scared too. Because, like, oh, God, I hope she doesn't say Something like. Don't start. No, today.

[A]

Yeah, the Locker girl could have a boyfriend.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. There's so many theories you guys have to tell us.

[A]

There's a reason they're only hooking up during her break. Like, in the car. If you have other options, you pick the other options. Personally, maybe I don't want to know.

[B]

He's got one that lives with him, and he's got one at the Foot Locker that he's banging on the brick.

[A]

Oh, my God. And he's got one at Claire's and one at Victoria's Secret down the hall.

[B]

Well, that was the thing, too. I was looking when he went into these other stores. I was like, I wonder if he's got, like, a Boo thing of this store, you know, like the BMX Boo thing. And then now this guy's got Foot Locker booth there. I'm sorry. Foot Locker. It's not. Yeah, it's one of those. I don't know which store it is.

[A]

Oh, my God. If I found out that somebody I was dating was cheating on me with somebody at a shoe store, I would demand a discount. That's for sure. I'd be like, the least you can do is 40% off.

[B]

That's the very least you could do.

[A]

Well, I hope the case. I hope they got what they needed, and I'm sorry that you did it.

[B]

Well, it's interesting because, like, you have no closure. Like, there's absolutely no closure whatsoever. And that's the hardest part. But it's. It's part of the job. Like, it. And it's weird for me to love this job because I'm not good with that. Like, I am not. I need to know things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if I don't know, it drives me up a wall. And it did for a couple. The first couple years. Like, it. It led me to depression. Like, I was like, you're also attached to these people.

[A]

Like, if there's something.

[B]

Yeah, you do get attached. You really do.

[A]

Especially some of the dogfish cases. If you're watching somebody go through it.

[B]

And if you're someone like me who wants to figure something out, and you can't sleep until it's figured out. Like, it's hard. And so that's. That was one of these cases. But you have. You have to learn to, like, disconnect from them. Like, you can't be secure attached to them. If I haven't been hired by someone to do a surveillance and I'm following someone, then it is illegal investigation. And It's a felony. It would be illegal for me to get closure.

[A]

Yeah. What if you were just, like, looking in the neighborhood to see what the houses are and just looking at how my mom drives around and looks at houses all the time.

[B]

Yeah, but it would. But with my knowledge, ethically, they.

[A]

The MacKenzie's just a good person and doesn't want to.

[B]

I'm a follower. Like, if I ever got caught, and then I would have to testify under oath that I wasn't not doing what I knew for sure I was doing. And.

[A]

But we could go shoe shopping.

[B]

I can go shoe shopping all the live long day. Like, I can go to that mall and I can go shoe shopping, but I could. Like, it's just. It just borders the line of, like, unethical. And if anything came back on me, I'd have to tell the truth, and it could get me in a lot of trouble. So. So I guess you guys, I never even skipped school. Like, I was not a school skipper at all, because I was like, I'm gonna get in big trouble. My brother was like, we'll skip class. And I was like, no. My friends are like, let's go. And I'm like, no, I'm gonna get in trouble.

[A]

I. Yeah, no, I never did drugs.

[B]

Like, I don't even drink. Like, I'm not someone who's like, I don't like to get in trouble.

[A]

Well, you're not in trouble.

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

We won't get you in trouble if you go shoe shopping there. In fact, we're kind of like. Everybody is like, these are the kind.

[B]

Of friends that I'm afraid of are the ones I know. We're like, no peer pressure. Support you.

[A]

But also, if you drive by, we won't tell the government.

[B]

So you guys have to submit to us what your thoughts are, like, what your theory is.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Is this guy. This guy cheating?

[A]

Yeah. Also, if you, like, know anyone that's dating a guy who doesn't do anything all day but loves to sit in shoe stores, like, maybe let his girlfriend.

[B]

And what are our thoughts on if this woman's not living with him? He's clearly just. Just, like, dating her. They're holding hands, but, like, can he do this other chick, too, or is that off?

[A]

Oh, like, if they're casual and, like, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then is it okay for him.

[B]

To bang this chick in her car?

[A]

Yeah, if they're, like, cool with it. But if he's. If his shoulders are up to his ears and he's clenching his. Jeez, he's Walking by, nervous as a.

[B]

Cat, and a. I don't think it's allowed. I'm telling you.

[A]

Well, that was great, and I'm stressed, but, like, I was dying.

[B]

I'm telling you. I'm sorry, you guys, but there is no closure. You are not getting closure. I am sorry. Sorry. You are absolutely not getting closure. And you're welcome. So Hannah's like, damn it. Her eyes literally say damn it across the movie.

[A]

Also, it's like, why? I don't know. I can't imagine. Well, I guess get what. Get what you need, girlies. But maybe they're both just using him for sex. That's. That's what I hope. I hope both the girls just, like, I want a little plaything for my breaks. And the businesswoman is like, I kind.

[B]

Of hate telling these stories again, because it makes me re. Bring up all these like, oh, God, I want to know now, but it's fine.

[A]

So think of the good you're doing for. For us.

[B]

Yeah, we're. We're bringing awareness.

[A]

You're making our Monday anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys.

[B]

You guys bring awareness to when you share your story, so make sure you email us. Do you want me to. Do you mean to say the email address?

[A]

Do it. Neither of us have it in front of us.

[B]

This is a test investigate at the Dating Detectives podcast dot com.

[A]

So good.

[B]

I know. Send us your emails, and please don't give us some crazy subject, like, dogfish story. Like, no, give us a little bit.

[A]

Of something, because Molly gets a lot of emails and. And has to try to go through them as best she can. Molly did get an email that was just like, oh, this one's a doozy. Now.

[B]

It's a sin.

[A]

So, like, we need a little bit more than that. I'm sure it is, and we would love to know. So just give us. Give us the breakdown. It's cathartic. I love how people write. We've gotten some reviews where people are like, honestly, I just wrote down my story, and I might not send it, but it just felt so good to write it, and that makes my day. Hey, hopefully it's cathartic for you to share this story, Mackenzie, that you have no closure for. And hopefully it's cathartic for y'all to.

[B]

Think I'm working through my problems with a better health therapist.

[A]

We're on couches right now.

[B]

Anyways, we love you guys, and until next time, trust your intuition.