Podcast Summary: The Dating Detectives

Episode: The Cancer Healing Scam: Part 2
Release Date: December 22, 2025
Hosts: Mackenzie Fultz (Host 1 / "Sam") and Hanna Anderson (Host 2)
Guests: Sisters Lena and Tessa
Theme: Uncovering the abuse, deception, and fallout inflicted by a spiritual “healer” on a vulnerable woman and her family

Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode continues the harrowing story of sisters Lena and Tessa, whose mother fell victim to a manipulative "healer" named Grant. Building on the previous part, the sisters recount their efforts to investigate his background, the tragic medical consequences of his interference, the family's attempts to shield their mother, and the aftermath following her death. The episode brings to light real dangers of medical manipulation, exploitation, and the obstacles to justice when perpetrators hide behind wellness and spirituality.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Suspicion and Family-Led Investigation

(02:26 – 06:45)

• The family grows suspicious of Grant, particularly about his marital status and possible motives.
• Lena and Tessa orchestrate a covert operation to gather information from their mother’s and Grant’s belongings, suspecting he may still be married abroad for ulterior motives.
• Noteworthy moment: Lena finds a disturbing black-and-white photo of a sinister-looking man taped above her mother's bed—later discovered to be Bruno Groening, a Nazi-era "natural healer."

Lena (06:37): "He looked really...it was scary."

• The family attempts to use connections and the mother's trust to obtain documentation but are met with obstructions and unsettling discoveries in the process.

2. Uncovering the Truth About Grant

(12:11 – 16:02)

• Lena discovers a box of foreign antibiotics—a sign Grant may have been giving patients unauthorized medication.
• Their cousin finds Grant’s baptism certificate and discovers, through social media sleuthing, that his "ex-wife" is actually living just hours away, not abroad as he'd claimed.

Tessa (14:21): "Three hours away in Orlando."

• The revelation that Grant’s supposed secrecy (not appearing on social media together, etc.) was likely a manipulation for financial gain and to control communication.

3. The Turning Point: Confrontation and Medical Crisis

(16:02 – 20:36)

• The family presents evidence to their mother, who eventually recognizes Grant’s deception and begins legal proceedings to divorce him.
• Lena: "She was, like, so proud of that text. And I'm like, yeah, you tell him." (19:19)
• As their mother begins proper cancer treatment and shows signs of improvement, she refuses to return home due to trauma associated with Grant's presence.
• Rapid deterioration follows due to extensive damage caused by delayed/prohibited medical care.

4. Legal Battles and Final Arrangements

(24:22 – 32:14)

• The mother amends her will on her deathbed, attempting to ensure her children receive her assets.
• Legal complexities arise because "marriage over will" rules in Florida grant Grant a third of the estate despite being disinherited by will—he remains in the family condo, denying the daughters access to her belongings or closure.

Lena (30:48): "You're just gonna, like, box up...How do you know what we like? Like, that's not okay."
Tessa (31:02): "It's not your stuff."

• Grant feigns a lack of English during legal meetings until conveniently revealing fluency, further demonstrating his manipulative tendencies.

Tessa (36:17): "So we're like, oh, this whole time..."

5. Grant’s Continued Exploitation and Social Media Presence

(40:21 – 44:41)

• Grant’s social media goes silent on Facebook and Instagram, but he becomes more active on TikTok, posting "inspirational" videos and positioning himself as a healer, allegedly from the mother's own home.

Tessa (42:02): "His tiktoks now are, like, ... inspirational videos every morning ... at our mom's condo."

• The family’s lawyer advises settling with Grant to prevent greater losses, highlighting harsh legal inequities for surviving family members.

6. Emotional Aftermath & Lingering Injustice

(47:00 – End)

• Lena and Tessa explain the difficulty of grieving while the perpetrator continues to reap benefits and block their access to closure.
• Grant appears unashamed at the mother’s funeral, performing as the “grieving widower.”

Tessa (48:13): "He was just like, Oh, she was the love of my life. ... It was really just sick. Like, he plays the part."

• The family remains determined to pursue any evidence that Grant was still married abroad, which could void his claim to inheritance and potentially expose him for immigration fraud.

Lena (49:52): "Me and my sister, I don't think we'll stop looking for what we're looking for. ... Something's gonna come up and expose the truth behind his motives."

Critical Insights from the Hosts

Wellness Industry & “Healer” Scams
(44:06 – 46:41, 57:05 – 59:19)

• The hosts discuss the wider web of fake wellness influencers, the pipeline from alternative medicine to criminal manipulation, citing analogous stories like “John of God” and the TV show "Apple Cider Vinegar."
• Hosts warn against "healers" wearing scrubs and using medical trappings without licensure.

Red Flags & Recommendations

• Importance of “trust, but verify” in both relationships and medical recommendations.
• Advice from Mackenzie (PI): In suspected abuse, document everything, involve authorities, and keep persistent pressure on institutions.

Host 1 (Sam), (55:34): "You gotta really be wary of people that are good salesmen."

Kindness as a Target, Not a Weakness

• The episode closes by emphasizing that victims are not to blame for being trusting, and that victimization is about the perpetrator's wrongdoing, not the target's lack of discernment.

Host 1 (Sam), (59:03): "Kindness is not a weakness...This is the problem. Not her."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [05:49] Lena: “The thing that scared the crap out of me is I walked into her room ... and the first thing I see was this weird photo ... black and white of this scary looking man that was taped above her side of the headboard.”
• [08:25] Tessa: “See how easy it was to Google that?”
• [19:19] Lena: “She was, like, so proud of that text. And I'm like, yeah, you tell him.”
• [22:55] Lena: “One of the nurses comes up to me and she's like, since you guys have power of attorney ... please sign this DNR. Please don't make me have to do CPR on your mom … she’s so fragile.”
• [27:26] Lena: “I definitely blame Grant for her passing because, like I said, this could have been prevented.”
• [31:03] Tessa: "It's not your stuff."
• [36:17] Tessa: "We're like, wait, so you know English like, oh. He was fluently, like, fine, like, going on."
• [42:02] Tessa: “His tiktoks now are like ... inspirational videos every morning. And he'll be, like, sitting at the pool at our mom's condo.”
• [48:13] Tessa: "He was just like, Oh, she was the love of my life. ... It was really just sick."
• [55:34] Host 1 (Sam): “You gotta really be wary of people that are good salesmen.”
• [59:03] Host 1 (Sam): "Kindness is not a weakness...This is the problem. Not her."

Timestamps of Key Segments

• 02:26 – 06:18: Family investigation and shocking photo discovery
• 12:11 – 16:02: Antibiotics, online digging, and the truth about Grant’s family
• 16:02 – 20:36: Confrontation, legal decisions, and first signs of hope
• 24:22 – 32:14: Estate legalities, Grant’s deception, and denial of access
• 40:21 – 44:41: Grant’s ongoing social media activity and new scams
• 47:00 – 50:37: Grief, funeral confrontation, and pursuit of truth
• 55:34 – 59:19: Social media, wellness influencers, and verifying sources
• 59:03 – End: Kindness, blame, and final reflections

Conclusion

This episode shines a light on the devastating personal and legal consequences when vulnerable people become victims of wellness fraud—particularly when layered with emotional manipulation and medical abuse. The story is a rallying cry for vigilance, systemic reform, and compassion for survivors of such scams. The hosts and guests urge listeners to scrutinize those in power, document suspicions, and remember: kindness is never a fault, but manipulation is always a crime.