I Asked GodLogic To Teach Me How to Defend My Faith

Summary

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The Deep End With Lecrae

Episode: I Asked GodLogic To Teach Me How to Defend My Faith
Date: May 7, 2026
Guest: GodLogic (Avery Austin)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Lecrae invites Avery Austin—a.k.a. GodLogic—the street apologist and YouTube sensation, to discuss how to defend the Christian faith amid today’s tough spiritual and cultural challenges. The conversation ranges from personal stories of faith and doubt, to practical apologetics, to tackling objections from Islam, Mormonism, atheism, and more. Lecrae plays “devil’s advocate” to test GodLogic’s approach, and together they highlight why equipping believers for real conversations matters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

GodLogic’s Journey and Motivation

• “PK” Roots & Early Ministry (03:54)

  • Avery is a pastor’s kid from Lancaster, CA.
  • Saw his father handle church and pastoral responsibilities with grace—anchoring Avery’s own ministry focus.
  • Became an ordained minister at 20: “Youth ministries, Bible studies, Sunday schools, and then eventually preaching, like, at the main services.” (04:54)
  • Entry into ministry through gospel mime dancing; took spirituality seriously through fasting, prayer, and the Word. (05:06)
  • Notable Quote:
    • “We really wanted to work with the power of God. And so through that, that’s when I learned, like, when we dance, it really blesses people. But when we teach the Word, it is a completely different level.” (05:19)

• The Apologetics Turn (06:28)

  • A Jehovah’s Witness stumped Avery with Colossians 1:15—questioning Jesus’ divinity.
  • Realized his own lack of preparedness and how many Christians were unequipped to answer such challenges.
  • Notable Quote:
    • “If I can't handle that, I know they couldn't handle it ... So that means that there's a bunch of people in Christianity who can't deal with objections to the Bible. ... We got to get equipped because they're out here bold enough, so we got to face that.” (08:56)

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Defending the Faith: Real Examples & Strategies

• Tactics for Engaging Other Faiths & Worldviews

  • Christianity vs. Islam: Islam is “the loudest and the largest” challenge today. But its “confidence, proud, arrogant” claims about the Bible's corruption and Muhammad’s prophethood demand response. (12:25)
  • Scriptural “Gotchas”: Avery walks through how to read Bible texts “in context,” e.g., “firstborn” in Colossians 1:15 means preeminence, not creation. (09:47)
  • Notable Explanation:
    • “Biblically, the term firstborn can be used as a position of preeminence, meaning you’re supreme over a group ... The next verse says, for by him all things were created ... So why is he the firstborn? Because he's preeminent over everything. Not that he's created.” (10:10)

• Responding to Common Objections

  • Trinity “Not in the Old Testament” Claim (17:17)

    • Avery demonstrates plurality in Genesis 1, Isaiah 48 (“Yahweh has sent me and his Spirit”), Psalms, and the baptism formula used by Jesus.
    • Key Moment:
      • “Why is it blasphemy? Because he’s putting himself and the Spirit in the same equation with the Father. There’s the Trinity right there. ... The Trinity doctrine [is] laid out throughout the Old Testament.” (21:41)

  • Interacting with Different Groups – Speed Round (21:56)

    • Oneness Pentecostals: “False doctrine ... They teach that Jesus, the Father and the Spirit are the same person. ... Makes Jesus out to be a liar.” (22:31)
    • Roman Catholics: Not an absolute “no”; depends on extremism and essential doctrines. “You have Catholic believers and brothers in the faith ... got right doctrine.” (24:19)
    • Mormons: “Absolute nay ... They teach Jesus is the brother of Satan ... the Father was a man who became God ... Polytheism. That's unbiblical.” (24:53)
    • Atheists/Agnostics: “The Bible already said that person is a fool ... If you're going to say that God doesn't exist, then ... you have an alternative for why there is something rather than nothing ... It has to be a who, not a what.” (25:49)

• Dealing with “Missing Books” Objection (32:18)

  • Claims of missing/lost biblical books prove nothing unless one assumes inspiration. The Bible often references historical works without affirming them as inspired.
  • Avery flips the logic back on the Quran: if “lost books” invalidate the Bible, the Quran is in the same dilemma for affirming the Torah and Gospel.
  • Quote:
    • “He starts off ... that these books are inspired. According to who? They're not inspired. That's why they're not even preserved.” (32:55)

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Lecrae vs. GodLogic: Rapid-Fire Objections (Role-Play)

• Muslim: “Bible Is Corrupted; Quran Preserved” (46:00)

  • Avery: If the Quran says the Torah and Gospel are God’s words, and God’s words can’t be corrupted, then the Bible must be preserved by their own standard.
  • Exchange:
    • Lecrae as Muslim: “It’s been edited … It’s been corrupted.”
    • GodLogic: “So then that would mean that the Torah and the Gospel, which are God's words, cannot be corrupted. Is that right?” (47:08)

• Muslim: “Jesus Never Said ‘I am God’” (48:23)

  • GodLogic: Refutes the demand for exact phrasing, uses logical analogy and appeals to the claims Jesus did make, e.g., “I am the First and Last” (Revelation 22), which only God claims in the Quran.

• Hebrew Israelite: “Jesus Only for Israel” (52:26)

  • GodLogic walks through John 17:14 and the story of the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15), showing Jesus ultimately extends grace beyond Israel: “First it was Israel, then the rest of the world.” (55:01)

• Atheist: “Why Would a Good God Allow Suffering?” (56:22)

  • Forces the objector to provide an objective grounding for concepts like “good” and “evil.”
  • Demonstrates how any standard of morality the atheist appeals to is actually borrowed (“stolen”) from the Christian worldview.
  • Quote:
    • “So from your position. You're just coming from a subjective position. Give me your opinion. You don't know what good is. However, you're still using it ... appealing to an objective standard while denying the objective standard.” (58:53)

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Living Out Faith, Dealing With Doubt & Opposition

• On Arrogance, Kindness, and Winning Souls (38:14, 39:40)

  • Lecrae recalls being arrogant in early debates; GodLogic cautions against “trying to get the person” rather than reach them for truth.
  • “We want to win the soul, not the argument.” (41:09)
  • Christ as the model—never just picking fights but teaching even the Pharisees.

• Impact and Responsibility

  • Social media (esp. TikTok) is flooded with “arguments” against Christianity, making it crucial for believers to be prepared but also gracious.
  • Avery’s apologetics have led to real-life conversions, including Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses who leave their former beliefs after engaging with his content.
  • Behind the Scenes:
    • “This Holy Week, this Easter week was crazy with Muslims after Muslim after Muslim coming to Christ live on the stream.” (67:10)

• Handling Personal Attacks & Mockery (66:44)

  • Meets insults with humor and perspective—sees attacks as evidence the work is effective.
  • “If I wasn’t getting this, then I ain’t doing something right.” (68:29)

• When You Can't See the Results (68:30)

  • Avery prays for those he debates, but ultimately trusts God to carry the work to completion.

• Faith vs. Certainty (70:19)

  • Distinction between intellectual certainty and faith—sometimes you “know God exists,” but “faith” is trusting when you can’t see how things will work out.

• Testimonies & Fruit (73:32)

  • Encouragement comes from unexpected testimonies—e.g., a Jehovah’s Witness family (16 members, 7 generations) converted as a result of one video:
    • “Never knew it reached that family. Never knew the effect it had within the Jehovah’s Witness community. … But he comes over a year later and says, yo, this video, this clip, it changed my entire family.” (73:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We want to win the soul, not the argument.” — GodLogic (41:09)
• “If I wasn't getting [mockery], then I ain't doing something right.” — GodLogic (68:29)
• “You're stealing from my worldview while trying to argue against my worldview.” — GodLogic to “atheist,” (59:15)
• “When we solidify on a point, then we could continue to build the blocks until now. We got the full house.” — GodLogic, on argument strategy (60:33)
• “You are the Jesus they’re being introduced to … reflect the love of Christ.” (39:40)

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Important Timestamps

• Background & testimony: 03:07–09:33
• Jehovah’s Witness encounter that inspired apologetics: 06:28–09:33
• Explanation of Colossians 1:15 ‘firstborn’: 09:47–11:03
• Why GodLogic debates Islam most: 12:25–13:33
• Trinity in the Old Testament argument: 17:17–21:41
• Speed round on Oneness, Catholics, Mormons, Atheists: 21:56–27:21
• “Missing books” objection: 32:18–35:11
• Roleplay: answering Muslim, Hebrew Israelite, Atheist objections: 46:00–59:19
• Dealing with suffering and the problem of evil: 56:22–61:35
• Faith vs. certainty, testimonies, affirmation: 70:19–75:24
• Where to find GodLogic's work: 75:36–76:43

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Closing Affirmations & Next Steps

• Lecrae affirms GodLogic’s unique ability to connect with “the King’s speech and the common man’s speech.”
• Avery shares his consistent prayer—for more patience, endurance, and for the Holy Spirit to reach those he impacts (73:32).
• Home base for GodLogic is YouTube (“GodLogic Apologetics,” now over 540k subs), Instagram, TikTok (GodLogic_2), and a pending “cookbook” on answering objections.
• Lecrae commits to supporting the “cookbook”: “Anything I can do to help that become reality, please. Yes ... I will do the foreword.” (76:25)

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode offers both a master class in real-world apologetics and an authentic look at what it means to defend faith in Christ with both intellectual rigor and pastoral care. GodLogic's approach combines scripture, logic, and a heart for people, reminding listeners: it's not about winning arguments, but planting seeds—and trusting God with the results.

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Transcript

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

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[Interviewer / Host]

I am going to be your TikTok devil's advocate. I'mma hit you with some stuff and I'mma see if you could stump me. The Bible that you reading is not the original. So before you go quoting your bible to me, you got to prove that it hasn't changed. Talk to me.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I got you.

[Interviewer / Host]

Did Lecrae just get cooked by God? Logic. People always ask me, why won't you debate Christian apologists? Christian apologists are ill equipped to have theological conversations. Their theology is grounded in being right. We are not the same.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

What an excuse. Yeah. Every Christian apologist, they just want to be right. And sounds like you want to be right.

[Interviewer / Host]

Before I became a believer, I went to practice Islam. A lot of the content is you debating Islam.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. Because Islam is the loudest. Yikes.

[Interviewer / Host]

Mormon.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yay or nay?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Absolute nay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tell me why.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I'll tell you why. What's the exact verse I'm looking for? Let me see. Oh, I was on this.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm currently winning in this debate because he can't find the verse he's looking for.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, watch this. This is the deep end with Lecrae.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, today I'm excited because we got somebody who you may have seen him on the streets talking to anybody you can imagine, from a Jehovah's Witness to a Hebrew Israelite to a Muslim. And, you know, sometimes you have to watch yourself when you're watching this guy. Because you'll be tempted. You'll be tempted to be like, oh, get him, get him, get him. Instead of like, man, yes. Give him the word, brother. Yes. Share that truth with him, brother. So, man, I'm excited, man. We got an individual here who is, you know, just a great apologist for the kingdom who's got a unique story. And, man, when you see him online, you know exactly who I'm talking about. My man Avery, AKA God. Logic in the building, man.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

What's up, bro? That's a fire intro.

[Interviewer / Host]

You know, man, listen, it's true, though. There's so many times I'm watching, I'm like, oh, God, even cooking, cooking. And I'm like, I mean, Lord.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, Read his heart. Yes. You know, God, eat.

[Interviewer / Host]

I pray that, Lord, you cleared away some false beliefs that helped him navigate scales fall off. That's right, that's right. That's right. So, man, but a lot of people know your debates. They see you online. They see you in these conversations with people from different views and worldviews and religious beliefs. But a lot of people don't know the man behind the man. The man behind the apologist. And so talk to us a little bit, man. You. You. You're a pk.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I'm a pk, man.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah. You preacher kid out of Lancaster. Yeah, California.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Lancaster, California, man. My dad, he started. So we started off in la. He's, you know, preaching a little bit. Then he started pastoring. That's when we moved to Lancaster, which is like an hour and some change north of Los Angeles, and. And he just started building his ministry. So I was able to watch, you know, a ministry be built up. How does my dad interact with people? How does he love people? How does he have handle conflict? How does he deal with everyone coming to him with every issue that. That is possible? Yeah, it's stuff is stuff don't seem relevant. You know, it could be the smallest thing, but he still handles it with grace. So, you know, I got to see how that was handled, you know, so I got an anchor. I can even still go back to. To this day.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now, you were an ordained minister at 20?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, about. Yeah, about. Yeah. Tony, what are you doing?

[Interviewer / Host]

Are you like, you? Why are you an ordained minister?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

What was the bruh? Youth. Youth ministries, Bible studies, Sunday schools, and then eventually preaching, like, at the main services.

[Interviewer / Host]

Wow.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You know, and my dad.

[Interviewer / Host]

You're always a student of the word.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I wouldn't say always. It developed. I first started off, you know, mime dancing and stuff. That's how,

[Interviewer / Host]

yo, let me find out. God Logic was a gospel mind, bruh.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I had to paint on the gloves. Something about the nation literally, you know, just opened up. You know, I'm walking through the windows of blessings. That's. But that's how I started getting into ministry. Like, that's how, you know, it was, you know, prayer life began that way. We was fasting. And so that's when my. My, you know, I guess the spiritual side of my walk really developed. It was through the mime dancing. You know, we took that serious, bro. Yeah, we used to get calls all the time, like, hey, come here, come here. You know, L.A. and other places. So, yeah, so we got in our work because we wasn't like a regular dance team. We liked to get into our Word. We liked to fast and to pray. Like, we took it really serious. We wanted to be like. We really wanted to work with the power of God. And so through that, that's when I learned, like, whoa. Like, when we dance, it really blesses people. But when we teach the Word, it is a completely different level when people are getting Bible. Yeah. So that's when I fell in love with the Bible. I was about, like, you know, like, 19 ish. 18. 19. And then it was over from there.

[Interviewer / Host]

So talk to me, because now if you fast forward a little bit, you're in college and you're this ordained minister, you. You're in your word, but then you have a conversation with a Jehovah's Witness and they give you a question you can't answer. Walk me through that scenario.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You about to put me through that again? That's cold. It's all good, man. I forgive you. So, yeah, so we're at college, College of the Canes in Valencia. And, you know, I'm always hearing about the Jehovah's Witnesses. I used to live with my grandparents at the time, and my granddad, he couldn't stand them. He, like, don't trust them.

[Interviewer / Host]

They.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

They always lying, you know. So I see them posted up and I'm like, man, I'm a curious guy. I like to talk to people. Let me go over there and ask them some questions. So I didn't go with like, well, I'm going to get them. But I did go in curiosity, you know, and long story short, we're talking and I asked them, you know, what do they say about Jesus? And, you know, yeah, we believe he's, you know, Jehovah's, you know, son. I'm like, do you believe he's God? Of course Not. No, he's not God. He's. He's Jehovah's first created thing.

[Interviewer / Host]

And.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And then Jehovah used him to create everything else. And I'm like, no, Jesus is God. Can you show me that Jesus is created in the Bible? And so he pulled out his little gray little New world translation, the little Jehovah's Witness Bible, and showed me Colossians 1:15. And it said, for he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. I was stuck. I had my back hair standing up. I'm a little, you know, I'm just paused. I'm. Let me. Let me see that again. Let me read it for myself. Let me read it. And it said what it said, you know, but at the time, I didn't have the presence of mind or the training to know how to read in context, because if I would have read in context, I would have been able to answer him, but I didn't know. So he's like, you know, yeah, I didn't have an answer. And he put his hand on my shoulder. He was Nice guy, Put his hand on my shoulder, said, yeah, you should do some more research and look into this. And that humbled the heck out of me because I'm like, Man 1 I'm an ordained young minister. I got my peers who are knowledgeable like I am, and we're running the young adult ministry, teaching the Bible, having Bible studies, and I get, you know, turned into a spiritual pretzel by a cult group. And so if I can't. If I can't handle that, I know they couldn't handle it. And if they can't handle it, then the ones under us can't handle it. So that means that there's a bunch of people in Christianity who can't deal with objections to the Bible.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And defend the faith. So I was like, yeah, nah, I got to learn this. I got to teach them. And we all got to. I got. We got to get equipped because they're out here bold enough, so we got to face that. I called my dad. Hey, dad, Pops, man, ain't. Ain't Jesus God in the Bible? He said, yeah. I said, where is he? God in the bible, man. John 1:1. In the beginning was the word. Where was God? I'm like, yeah, duh. John 10:30, I am the father, are one. Okay. You know, before Abraham was, I am. So he's giving me verses that I knew. But in the moment, I could not think of nothing to combat that because I was just Stuck and shook by what I was shown. Exactly.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So, yeah, that's what started me on that journey.

[Interviewer / Host]

And now for the person, because we see the Jehovah's Witness outside of the grocery store, the airport, so on and so forth. Somebody who gets hit with that verse, what would you say now?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Oh man, that's easy. Just read the next verse because. So it goes like this, verse 15. He's the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Now the question should be is what does the context mean by firstborn? Obviously we think like the first thing, right? You know, firstborn son or whatever. But biblically, the term firstborn can be used as a position of preeminence, meaning you're supreme over a group. So for example, you have David, youngest of the sons, not even the first king of Israel, not the first king of the earth. But in Psalm 89, 27, it says that God has made David his firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth. What does it mean? It means he's supreme over all the kings, not that he's the first king ever. So context will let us know. So in context, what does it mean that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation? Is he the first thing created or is he preeminent over creation? Is he supreme? The next verse says, for by him all things were created in heaven, on earth, visible, invisible thrones, principalities, rulers. All things were created through him and for Him. And he sustains all he's before all things, and in him all things hold together. So why is he the firstborn? Because he's preeminent over, over everything. Not that he's created.

[Interviewer / Host]

So you, you, you've been said that you. Now when you're doing apologetics work, you see this man's face.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah,

[Interviewer / Host]

I heard you. You know, like I see, I see his face on people whenever I'm sharing. Because that's just. That was a moment for me.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

It was, it was, it was literally what started what birthed God logic. That's what birthed the ministry. Because it was. My ministry is about equipping believers and also bringing the non believers to the truth, getting them to think, you know, so like, like my style, how I like to, I like to converse, I like to have conversation. Not really just beat you over the head, but I like to help lead you to a conclusion with questions. And so like with, with. I wish that I had a moment with him again because I think that I could, you know, convince him that, yeah, this ain't what that means. Yeah, you know, but, you know, one

[Interviewer / Host]

of the things that I've noticed when I watch your. You've debated or, like, confronted different people from a lot of different walks of life.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

But a lot of the content. You got a crazy YouTube channel, hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Praise God. But a lot of the content is you debunking or debating Islam.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Is there a reason for that?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, because Islam is the loudest. It's the loudest and the largest. If I were to say that there was a threat to Christianity, and I'm not just talking about just spiritually, just livelihood. It's Islam. Islam is radical. Islam is detrimental. It's violent. Yeah. But it's under the guise of. It's under the guise of victimhood. They. They take this victim mentality and as if they are good, as if it promotes good and. And help in society. No, if is. If we got Sharia law in America, it will be over. It'll be a wrap. We wouldn't be able to do this right here, right now, what we're doing. And so. So Islam was the loudest. It was confident, proud, arrogant. Jesus is not God. The Bible's corrupt. The Quran's the only book that's ever been preserved. The Bible's corrupt. And, you know, Muhammad's a true prophet, and he's in a long line of prophecies. Jesus was a Muslim. Moses was a Muslim. Abraham was a Muslim. All the prophets were Muslim. I'm like, oh, we gotta shut these guys up. You guys got to be stopped.

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[Interviewer / Host]

so I want to show you some stuff.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

I want to show you some stuff and I'm interested in your perspective.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

You know what you got, man, listen, because I, I, you know, I mean, hey man, listen, you, you know, you know, but do you know?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

That's the question that, See that, the question right there.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, I'm go ahead and hit play on that.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay. Oh yeah. These dudes.

[Interviewer / Host]

What is it about Islam that's true.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And what is it about Christianity? Yeah. So I think the easiest thing and the quickest thing that I can mention is continuity. Christianity of course claims continuity with the

[Interviewer / Host]

previous prophets, with the old testame, theologically,

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

that is, and so on and so forth. But the last thing that Christianity has is continuity. As a matter of fact, we don't

[Interviewer / Host]

see this idea of a trinitarian God up until not even the time of

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Jesus, but the fourth century. Now here's a very simple historical argument.

[Interviewer / Host]

If the prophets taught the Trinity, then

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

we would expect at least a historical

[Interviewer / Host]

group that dedicated themselves to the teachings

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

of the prophets to confess and espouse a trinitarian doctrine.

[Interviewer / Host]

But we don't find this.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Therefore, this is good evidence to say that the prophets never taught a Trinity. If Jesus and the apostles taught a Trinity, then we would expect the early followers to espouse Trinitarianism. We don't find that the early followers and the early Jerusalem church taught Trinitarianism.

[Interviewer / Host]

Therefore Christianity is false because The Trinity

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

is one of the pillars of mainstream Christianity. That's cute. That's real cute.

[Interviewer / Host]

So as they say, get them.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

What do you think about that?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I just think for one, the audacity because he's taken our talking points literally. That's what we say about Islam is the continuity. It's a continuity argument. They claim to be in line with the previous prophets. The Quran literally says that it confirms the Torah and the Gospel. It's in line with Jesus and yet it's furthest from the truth. We compare Moses and Muhammad furthest from the truth. Now when he says that there was no Trinity doctrine until the 4th century, then I would really like to add, because forget the New Testament, I'm confused then a little bit because Moses, who traditionally is known as to who wrote the Torah, Moses writes in Genesis that you have God speaking in the plurality of himself. Right in the beginning, let us make man in our image, in our likeness. Now somebody might relegate this to a plural of majesty, like, oh, this is just a plural of respect. But no, because there's no plural of majesty or respect when it comes to verbs. For example, actions, doing. So the word make there in the Hebrew, it's in the plural, which means that there's a plurality of persons doing the action, doing the making of man. It wasn't angels. It was, it wasn't no demons, Heavenly hosts. There was no heavenly host because Yahweh says that he created all things by himself. He alone stretched out the heavens. So who is the plurality of persons that God is talking about? Who was involved in creating? Well, we see this in Psalm 33, verse 6. It talks about how by the word you have created them and by your spirit you give them life. That's two. But one is sending the other two. That's three right there we have in Genesis. Now look, forget the New Testament. We're talking about the Old Testament. He said fourth century. That's, that's after Christ, few hundred years after Christ. I'm talking about way before Christ came and took on flesh. We're talking about Moses, David. Moses is teaching in Genesis that Yahweh came and visited Abraham on earth under the oak tree in Genesis 18 with two angels. And then in the next chapter, right before he's about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, Moses writes, he says, and Yahweh reigned on Sodom and Gomorrah, sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven. So according to Moses, you got a Yahweh on earth. And a Yahweh in heaven interacting together in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Why are there two Yahwehs? If there's no idea of this Trinity, why in the world is it that in Isaiah 48, verse 16, we have God speaking, saying, I've spoken from the beginning. I've spoken and I haven't spoken in secret. And then he says, this is God speak. This is Yahweh speaking. He says, and so that you will know that Yahweh has sent me and his spirit. So Yahweh says, yahweh sent him and his spirit. That's one. That's two. That's three. Why in the world are we getting three persons identified as Yahweh in the Old Testament? Testament.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Way before we get to the New Testament. Yeah. That makes no sense to me. So then by the time we get to the New Testament, he says, if the apostles taught the Trinity, we should see trinitarian doctrine. Why in the world is. Is Jesus teaching that we are to perform a ritual, a spiritual ritual baptism in the name one, name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Now, why is this significant? Because if you were asked a Muslim. Because they're Muslims that we were just listening to, would you say, I'm going to go perform salat, which is prayer. Would you say that, I'm going to go perform prayer in the name of Allah, Jibril, and Muhammad, would you go say that? They'll say no. Why not? Because you'll be associating partners with Allah. Oh. So when Jesus says that to go and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, did Jesus just associate the Son and the Holy Spirit with the Father? They have to say yes. So according to them, Jesus just committed blasphemy. Why is it blasphemy? Because he's putting himself and the Spirit in the same equation with the Father. There's the Trinity right there. Over and over and over again, you get the Trinity way before any apostle was thought of, way before any gospel is even preached in Bethlehem and in Jerusalem. And coming out of that, you have the Trinity doctrine laid out throughout the Old Testament.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So that's. Okay. That's crazy to hear.

[Interviewer / Host]

So let me let. I want to try something.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Try it.

[Interviewer / Host]

I want to try something. I want you. Let's just say. Let's say imagine I'm a college student.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

My first year on campus. All right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

I don't know what I believe just yet. I'm pretty sure I believe in Jesus. I walk into this interfaith cultural center and I'm encountering all of them. I want you to take like a minute, maybe a minute and a half, and tell me why it's a no for you. All right, so let's say I walk in there, I run into the Oneness Pentecostals, okay? They say, hey, you should come be a part of what we. Tell me why that's a no for you.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

False doctrine. Why? What's false? Yeah. So with Oneness modalist, they teach that Jesus is the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit. So they teach that Jesus, the Father and the Spirit are the same person. They don't believe that there are distinct persons, yet in one nature. They think that they're all the same person. Now, what's wrong with this is that they're simultaneously denying the Father and the Son. If the Son is the Father, there is no Son. If the Father is the Son, there is no Father. Okay? And so there's that. That. That modality breaks down biblically and it makes Jesus out to be a liar. Because he says this in John 18, verse 16 and 17. He says, if my. If. If I. If I judge, my judgment is just, because it is not I alone who judge, okay? But my Father with me. So Jesus says he's not judging by himself. He is judging, but he's not doing it by himself. There's someone else judging with him. If he's the Father, then there isn't anyone else judging with him, and therefore Jesus is lying. And the next verse, he does this. He says, it's even according to your law that the testimony of two witnesses makes a testimony valid. I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me also bears witness about me. So Jesus even appeals to the Torah. He appeals to the law, justifying his own witness making, like, letting it be known I'm with the law. I'm in line with the law because I'm not by myself. If he was the Father, he'd be by himself. And so that's why one modalism doesn't work.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, I decide. All right. I'm not going to run that route.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

I step over to the next person.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Jesuit, Catholic. Jesuit, Catholic or Roman Catholic, whatever. Just. I'm a Catholic.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Is that a no for you or you?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I wouldn't necessarily say that that's a no.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

It would. It would depend on the extremism. Like if the. If you're. If you run into like this is with any denomination. If you're running into one that's saying that, you know, if you're not part of this church or this denomination, you are hell bent. Okay? That red flags.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You know, but you do have some Catholic believers. You know, you have Catholic believers and brothers in the faith. You know, sisters in the faith. I got right doctrine.

[Interviewer / Host]

I like it.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So got right discernment there.

[Interviewer / Host]

So like any denomination. All right, cool. I got to take. I take a step to the right Mormon.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yay or nay?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Absolute nay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tell me why.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I'll tell you why. Because they're teaching one. They have a different gospel. They believe that Jesus. They teach Jesus is the brother of Satan. They teach that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two separate gods with the Father, and they don't believe that the Father has eternally been God. They teach that he was a man, just like we have been a man, and that he became God, and just like we will become God. Okay, so that type of polytheism and that blasphemy, because the Bible says in chapter 90, Psalm 92, it says God has been God from everlasting to everlasting. Okay. To suggest that there was a time where he wasn't God is absolute blasphemy. And it's unbiblical.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I'm going to go one more step over.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right. Atheist. I'm just not. I'm agnostic. I'm atheist. There's clearly there's no God. I don't. None of this makes sense.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, well, for that person, the Bible already said that person is a fool. The one, the one who says there's no God in the heart is a fool. You know, if you want to be a fool, go ahead, you know, be foolish. But I would just ask, you know, so if you're going to reject that there is a God, if you're going to say that God doesn't exist, then that means that you have a reason, you have an alternative to why there is something rather than nothing. You have an alternative to why. Like for. Here's. Here's a good argument that I like. Because whatever, there's always a cause and effect, right? And so whatever the effect is, the cause of the effect has to at least have some of that, some of those properties. For example, if you're going to see a stream of water, that means that the cause has to have. It's coming from water, right? There's a fountain or a source of water that causes the river or causes the stream. So for example, you Have a world where persons exist, where thinking, decision making, self aware beings exist. So therefore the cause of a self aware, thinking, emotional being has to have those properties, has to be thinking, has to have a mind, has to have a will, has to have the properties that it's able to produce. So therefore whatever started this can't be some inanimate object we call nature or matter. It has to be something that has. It has to be a who, not a what.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's great. That's the college student who doesn't know anything, right?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

We gonna step it up enough.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

We gotta step it up enough. First.

[Interviewer / Host]

I want you to see something though. I want you to look at this. I wanna get your perspective on this as well. Cause there's a couple little clips here that I think you're gonna be like. Yeah, I'm just curious, just me personally, you know, sometimes I'm just like, what would God logic think about this particular, this particular clip?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You came ready, man, you came with the clips.

[Interviewer / Host]

Listen, listen. This is probably one of some people's favorite individuals and some people's not so favorite individuals. Just hit play on this one.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, all right, let's see.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm a public theologian and people always ask me, why don't you debate people who have opposing views? And what they really mean is, why won't you debate Christian apologists or, you know, people who are trained to defend the faith? And the reason I don't do it is not because I don't agree with their arguments. I don't agree with the premise of their arguments. The premise of the Christian apologist argument is to defend the reputation of Christianity. The premise of my argument is to defend the dignity of humanity. We are not the same. Christian apologists, as well meaning as they are, are ill equipped to have theological conversations rooted in curiosity because their theology

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

is rooted in certainty.

[Interviewer / Host]

They're ill equipped to have theological conversations rooted in honesty because their theology is grounded in being right. And when your theology is built around being right, you don't have the space to be honest. You don't have the luxury to be reflective. And if I ever find myself on a panel across from an apologist, that will be the premise of the conversation. I'm not trying to debunk Christianity. I'm trying to defend humanity. So where Christian doctrines and dogmas fail humanity, I'm always going to push back. I don't want to be remembered as a great Christian. I want to be remembered as a great human.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, that's, that's amazing. What's amazing. That's amazing. Talk to give me my thoughts.

[Interviewer / Host]

Come on, talk to me, man.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I just. I just. What an excuse, man. What a crazy excuse. And to frame it like, oh, yeah, I'm just trying to defend humanity, not. Not Christianity. Well, one, you're not a Christian, obviously. And two, I just. If you are. If you're. If you prioritize curiosity and you prioritize theological discussion, then why not have it with someone who can have that with you? Why not match brain for brain? And if it's really curiosity, why don't you go into it and maybe you might come out with a different view, but instead you muddy the waters and say, oh, yeah, every Christian apologist, they just want to be right and Sounds like you want to be right. It's kind of like a, you know, the. You know, but the fingers are pointing back like it's like it's smoke. We can see right. We can see right through that, bro. You don't want to have a conversation because you know that your arguments don't hold up. Like anybody, myself, I got other brothers who's more than happy to have an open discussion on your objections to how Christianity failed humanity in whatever areas you want to bring up. We'd be open to that conversation, but it doesn't seem you're open to it. You know, you're not that curious. Ooh, ooh, he ain't that curious. Lecrae.

[Interviewer / Host]

I like it.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You tell me, does he seem that curious to you? I like it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, I got another clip, and then I want to ask you. We gonna take it deep. All right? All right, I got one more clip, and then we gonna go deep. Cause we know you. You know me. We know what you do.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

But look, man, you know what you do. I'm the friendly neighborhood apologist, man. I be chillin'.

[Interviewer / Host]

You know what? I want you to check out this clip. This one I found very interesting, and I'm sure it's not anything that you haven't heard before, but, you know, it may be. It may be worthwhile for you to. For you to hear.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Who was that last guy? Oh, my gosh. Brain fart.

[Interviewer / Host]

His name is Christian Smith. So, you know, a lot of people, you know, like, his views and his perspectives and. Because I think they wrestle with there being solid ground and certainty, and I'm okay with not having certainty on a lot of things within the realm of my faith, but there's certain things that on solid ground, we're standing.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

You know, they're not up for grabs.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

100.

[Interviewer / Host]

You know what I mean? But check this out. This, this missing book dilemma I'm interested in.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, okay. This is the missing book dilemma. And no Christian can solve it. Your Old Testament quotes books that never existed. Where's the book of Jasher? Where's the book of the War of the Lords? Where's the book of Samuel the Seer, Nathan the Prophet, and Gad the Seer? And the list can go on, on and on. So here's the dilemma. Either inspired books were lost and your God can't protect his books, or the Bible is false because it quotes books that never existed. And if your God can preserve those books, then why should we trust that he preserved this one? I love Muslims, man. They are my favorite.

[Interviewer / Host]

What's up with the missing books, man?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So. So no, number one, number one, he starts off. His premise is that, you know, these books are inspired. According to who? They're not inspired. That's why they're not even preserved. That's why God didn't preserve them. They're not inspired. Why are you coming with this assumption that they're inspired? That's number one. Number two, the Bible can quote from books or reference historical books, you know, and that's it. It does it all the time. I mean, Paul even references certain pagan poets and their works and even quotes from them and uses it against the pagans. That doesn't mean he's endorsing the writing as inspired. So the art, it's just not understanding what inspiration is. That was too easy for you. Yeah, but he's a Muslim. That's why. But here's another thing, though, with that. The other thing is, is that the argument. Let's go with his argument first for now. If we were to go with his line of reasoning, that would mean that the Quran is false. Because the Quran says that the Torah and Gospel and the books that are with the Jews and Christians are true, are preserved. So the Jews and Christians was walking around with these books that's quoting Jasher, that's quoting the Seer, and quoting this book and that book. And so if these books are never existed or not preserved and therefore it's false, then the Quran is false for affirming books. A book that's affirming false, lost books. So his argument backfires. It's called the Islamic dilemma. Here's another one. Here's another problem. If we're going with his logic, if we're going with his logic, they say that we don't have the original Torah and the original Gospel. They say that what we have is a corrupted version. Okay, so then this means that your Quran must be quoting books and referencing books that never existed and therefore is false. If not, show me where this original Torah is that's different from the one I have today. Show me this original injeel or gospel that's different from the gospel that we have today that the Christians have always had, that the Ethiopians have always had. Show me a difference. If there is. If you, if you could show me. If you can't show me a difference, then by his logic, his Quran is referencing lost, corrupted, uninspired books and therefore his Quran is false. So yeah, we can have fun with that one, man.

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[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so I wasn't gonna go here, but now I'm here. But you made me think of some stuff, right? So before I became a believer, I went to practice Islam.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Did you?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes, Because I had a dream that I saw the Dome of the Rock and I didn't. And it was, when I looked it up, it was Muslim occupied. So I thought this dream I had is of a real place. Muslims occupy it. God must be Allah. So I went and talked to my bud, I have a couple friends who are Muslim to this day, right. And I found for me, I couldn't keep up the practices, right. It was like, this is a level of religiosity that is impossible for me to really keep up. And then I couldn't fathom the concept of my good deeds gotta outweigh my bad. How do I know exactly? I just was like, I gotta do all this stuff, but how do I know if I'm doing it right? And you know, I'm still dying with my fingers crossed. That was my, my struggle.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

But as I've before, I matured, right? I found the Lord, I started walking with the Lord. But I was a little. You're a very, you are a nice guy. You're nice, you, you know, your personality. When in conversation with people that you debate, they always say you're a great guy. You know, in debates, you know, you be roasting and, you know, you're playful, but people say they appreciate you. When I first got a hold of apologetics and Christianity, I was not nice. So I was pretty arrogant. I want you, like, tell me if what I said. So I went to the Middle east and, you know, I was outside of Qatar and I was talking to a guy and I just remember thinking, like, you're a Muslim. This whole place is Muslim. And I, and I wanted to, I was arrogant. And I walked up to this guy and I was like, what's up, man? I shook his hand, I said, yeah, I'm a Christian, I'm an infidel. You're not supposed to be shaking hands with me, you know. And he was just rattled, like, like, what? What is going on now? Is what I said, like, what did I do wrong? What was wrong with what I did and what I said? And like my approach.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And what do you. How do you navigate this?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. So it didn't. It looked like your approach was to try to prove a point rather than reach the person. And so you just wanted to get them. That's what it seemed like. Like, oh, look, you're doing something wrong. According to your religion, I'm an infidel, you know, so you was trying to get him rather than get him to the truth. It didn't seem like there was any motive for him to get to the truth. So, like, with my approach, and I encourage everyone, like, you know, love. You want to love the person. You want to reach them. Like, Jesus loves this person. They were made in the image of God. They're lost right now. They're not in the truth. They're lost. And so they're really, like. You know, this might sound corny, but, like, it's a true saying. The only Jesus they may see is you. Yeah. You know, you are the Jesus that they're being introduced to. Meaning that you're reflecting Christ. You reflect the love of Christ, the person of Christ. That's how you. You're supposed to imitate him. Right. So, you know, you never see Jesus walking up to a Pharisee and, you know, doing something on purpose just to get a reaction.

[Interviewer / Host]

Shake them up.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, just to shake him up. No.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tell me what you think about First Samuel.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You know, you don't see Jesus doing that. But. But Jesus, he taught the Pharisees. He was teaching them, even though they were combative and his enemies, but he was teaching them.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's good.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Right. And so that's what we should. We should have that attitude, like, we want to win the soul, not the argument. We want to win the person, you know?

[Interviewer / Host]

That's really good.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So people. People, you know, come at you.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

They do, man.

[Interviewer / Host]

They get at you. And, you know, I'm on TikTok. You're on TikTok.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I didn't know you was on TikTok.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, you know, I'm on TikTok. I mean, I'm on there. You can, you know, come check me out, but. But people just get hit with arguments constantly. I tend to avoid Hebrew Israelites personally. The reason why is because I just. I like. I like my day. So I. You know, when I'm on the street and they like, hey, hey, look.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Right, Come.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm like, brother, I don't. I want the rest of my day. This is not gonna go anywhere, and I want my day. I don't have time today. A couple times in my life, I had Time today, you know, my son and I were in the mall out in LA and we ran into a guy and he was like, hey, can

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I tell you about. He's like, are you aware about God the mother? Yeah, I knew you was gonna say that. I knew you was gonna say God the mother.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I was like, you know what? I got time today, you know, so me and my son sitting there, we kind of tag team in and just, you know, I was like, I got time today, man. And then, you know, and I was, it ended.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I was like, hey, brother, let me

[Interviewer / Host]

just tell you, you know, time is running out. Here's what I'll tell you, man. Like, man, you belong to a cult and I don't know how, you know how I gave you the scriptures, I showed you where yours was wrong. You belong to a cult.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yet still, you know, Islam, Hebrew, Israelites, atheists. There are people getting bombarded with arguments on social media all the time. Like, what is your take on what's moving them? Like, what is going on right now?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Well, a TikTok. It's easy for any Joe Schmo to have a voice and have a platform. And so, you know, you, you could, you could tell, you could really tell the people who are not popular in high school, you know, they weren't really nobody in the workplace or school or. But you come to Tick Tock, you could throw up a live stream and you can control them. You can control and mute people and raise people up, drop them, talk to them however you want. And you know, so Tick Tock. And you don't even got to show your face.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So Tick Tock gives, I think it gives an easy way for people to feel like they have a voice and a platform and feel important. Yeah. So I think that that's one thing. And two, you know, you, you like, a lot of people have a lot to say.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And when it comes to religion or politics, like, those are the top two things people are. There's always going to be discussion and debate in those areas. And so with, like, here's an interesting one. Jehovah's Witnesses, they're not the public type. They're not going to come out. You're not going to see them really publicly debating, you know, on YouTube and, you know, Instagram, you ain't. There's not. You can't name one popular jehovah's witness, Instagrammer, YouTuber, none of that Tick Tocker. You won't find one because they're not supposed to. They're supposed to Be hidden to their own group. Their knowledge is supposed to be with them, and they're not supposed to come talk and deal with us. However, there's a group of Jehovah's Witnesses now that's starting to go up on TikTok. Now, they're the same old group, but even they are starting to use TikTok as a little platform. So it gives people space. They don't have to show their face. They can't get caught out by their community, so they're fine. Wow. So I think it's easy. I think it's easy on TikTok. That's the reason I would say.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, this is just a sidebar. Like, I always felt sorry for my Jehovah's Witness friends. Cause no birthdays was. That's tough. Yeah, I agree. I agree. That's tough, man. Here's what I want to do. You. You don't say this about yourself, but people say you are like you say you do. Say you're the neighborhood apologist. People say, man, this guy so knowledgeable. He doesn't get stumped. He knows his word. And I'm like, I just. I'm not doubting, but I just want to see him real time. So I am going to be your TikTok devil's advocate, and I'mma hit you with some stuff.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I'mma see if you could stump me.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right? All right. So I was about to say, just let's go to Hollywood and meet some Joe.

[Interviewer / Host]

I got all of Hollywood's questions and arguments. All right, all right, all right, all right. So I'm the sounding board right now.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Now I'm with it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Let's go. Now, I'm from Islam.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay. You a Muslim?

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm a Muslim. Here's what I would tell you. All right, my brother, the Bible that you reading is not the original.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay?

[Interviewer / Host]

All right. It's been edited. It's been changed. It's been corrupted.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Nice.

[Interviewer / Host]

Over centuries. And that's why the Quran. The Quran supersedes it. It's perfectly preserved. So before you go quoting your Bible to me, you gotta prove that it hasn't changed.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Sure. As the Quran has. Sure. Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Talk to me.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I got you. Did Allah reveal the Torah? Sure. That's a good answer. Because the answer is yes. Chapter three in the Quran, it says that Allah sent down the book, confirming what came before it, and he revealed the Torah and the gospel as a guidance and light for mankind. So the answer is yes. He revealed the Torah and he revealed the gospel. Okay, so let me ask you this. If you're saying that what I have is corrupted, let me ask you, can the words of God be corrupted? No, they cannot. So then that would mean that the Torah and the Gospel, which are God's words, cannot be corrupted. Is that right?

[Interviewer / Host]

That's right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

That means that the Bible is perfectly preserved according to your own book.

[Interviewer / Host]

Nah, because it's been edited and changed and human corrupted voices have been messing with it.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

That means that the Quran is false then? Because if you're. If God's words can't be corrupted, yet his words were corrupt, and then the Quran is false.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, the Quran is referencing it before it got manipulated.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Nope, because it says that it came confirming what is with them. The word is makum, which means with them or into whom? With them. It says in chapter two, verse 41 is talking to the Jews. It says, believe in what I have sent down. Talking about the Quran, confirming what is with you. So either Allah maybe, you know, maybe Allah is not all knowing, and he. He didn't know that their scriptures were corrupted when he said this, and so he's sending the Quran to confirm corrupted books. Or maybe Allah's playing games with us and, you know, he's a deceitful liar and a Satan, and he says he's telling them. Yeah, the Quran is confirming corrupted books on purpose to mislead us. Or according to Allah, the books are preserved. They're good, and they're true. This is why he says that the Quran came confirming the scriptures. That's with you.

[Interviewer / Host]

Dang.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So, all right, all right, all right.

[Interviewer / Host]

But I got. But, but you. Okay, but check this out.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, I'm checking.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right? Jesus never, not one time, said, I am God, worship me. Oh, right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's a Christian invention because in the Bible, Jesus prays to God. On top of that, it says, the Father is greater than him. He calls himself the Son of Man. Now, as a Muslim, Muslims respect Jesus as a great prophet.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

No, you don't.

[Interviewer / Host]

But Christians, y' all are the ones who elevated him beyond what he even claimed to be. Okay, so what you got to say to this person who's got that question for you?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You demoted him to a place lower than what he really is. So if you're saying your challenge is Jesus never said, I am God, worship me. And if he never said those words, then that would mean that he never claimed to be God.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, he never said he was God.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, is there anywhere in your Quran where Jesus said, I am the Messiah? Follow me.

[Interviewer / Host]

You Know the Quran? You tell me.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So the answer is no. Okay, so does that mean that Jesus isn't the Messiah? Remember, you're a Muslim. You believe he's the Messiah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Right. But that doesn't mean he's God.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Well, we're dealing with claims first.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, he's the Messiah, but he's not God.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, but you said that in order for Jesus to be God, he has to say the words, I am God, worship me.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So in order to be something, you have to say these exact words or else you're not that thing, right? Yeah. Okay, so if Jesus doesn't say I am the Messiah, then that means he's not the Messiah, right?

[Interviewer / Host]

Right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

But your Quran says he's the Messiah.

[Interviewer / Host]

But he says they asked him when he's about to be crucified, are you the Messiah? He says, you have said it. So. Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And he also says in Mark, he says, I am and you will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven. But that's. That's my Bible. Which you say is corrupted. Don't come to my Bible. Stick with your book. According to your book, does Jesus ever say, I am the Messiah?

[Interviewer / Host]

He doesn't say it like that. No.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Oh, but is he the Messiah? He is. Okay, so he doesn't have to say I am the Messiah and those exact words in order to be the Messiah. Just like Jesus doesn't have to say I am God in those exact words in order to be God. Now let me ask you this. If I were to say I have students and I give them lessons, what did I just claim to be? I have students and I give them lessons. Exactly. Did I say I am a teacher?

[Interviewer / Host]

No.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

No. So I claim to be a teacher without having to say the exact words, I am a teacher. So the correct question should be, did Jesus claim to be God? If so, how did he do it? And I can show you how he did it. For example, you have in chapter 57, verse 3 of the Quran, it says that Allah is the first and the last. What does it mean to be the first and the last?

[Interviewer / Host]

The beginning and the end.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

The beginning and the end. The eternal one, the infinite one. Right?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Only God can have this title as the first and last. You agree? Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Jesus says in Revelation 22, he says, I am the first and last, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. So even by your own book, your book standards, Jesus claims to be God.

[Interviewer / Host]

Did Lecrae just get cooked by God?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Laundry. When you pretend to be a Muslim man, it's easy.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, well, let me. Okay, now, I'm going to have some legitimate people who are Hebrew Israelites on the podcast in the future.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You invite me, right? Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

I would love for you to be there, but here's some pushbacks from the Hebrew Israelite community for you. All right, so in Matthew 15:24, Jesus says, I was not sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. But the gospel, you know, that he's talking about here is for the Israelites. It's not for white people. So when the Bible says the world, it means the nation of Israel, right? So Christianity, as you know, it was invented by Europeans in order to control black people. Now, do the Hebrew Israelites have a point here? Was the west damaged by Christianity?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, well, let's deal with one thing at a time. If. If. If that's their point, that the world is actually Israel that Jesus came for.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yep. Matthew 15:24, it says, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, so this is where our problem is then, because right here. Watch this. We go to John, chapter 17, and

[Interviewer / Host]

he says, I never thought I'd be debating God logic.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Oh, man. You know, it happens, man. Get in line, man. It happens, baby. Let's see here. Let's see here. John 17. What's the exact verse I'm looking for? Let me see. Let me just do this. Oh, I. I was almost there.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm currently winning in this debate because he can't find the verse he's looking for.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, watch this. So this is John 17. You're stupid. John 17, verse 14. It says, I have given them your word and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. So when the Bible is saying the world, and Jesus came for the world, but the world is supposed to be Israel, then when John 17, when Jesus says the disciples are not of the world and that he also is not of the world, does it mean Jesus is not of Israel?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yikes. Yikes. Yeah, you got a point on that one.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, I know. I know I have a point. What is the.

[Interviewer / Host]

See? All right, Hebrew Israelites.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I got.

[Interviewer / Host]

I got one for you. All right, I got one for you.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Wait, we didn't get to finish Matthew 15.

[Interviewer / Host]

No, because I. Cause, yes, the world. He's not of the world.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So the world can't be Israel if

[Interviewer / Host]

he says he's not of the world.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, but that still doesn't solve Matthew 15. So in Matthew 15.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's right, because I'm not. Because the house of Israel.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, so let's deal with this now. Yes. Okay. So he says, I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who's he talking to, the Jews? No, he's talking to a Canaanite woman. A Gentile.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

My bad.

[Interviewer / Host]

He's like, yeah, for the dogs.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Exactly.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So. So he's talking to a Canaanite woman, and she. Yeah, you know, I'm not. I'm not for you, man. I'm for. I'm only for Israel.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

But she's still there. She's still asking. And then what does Jesus end up saying? He says, it's not good to give the. The. The bread of the. To the. Of the children to the. To the dogs. Right?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And she says, but your master, it's still. The dogs can still eat from the crumbs that fall from the master's table.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And what is Jesus reaction your faith has to a Canaanite woman?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

She can have faith in the Israelite, Lord. Oh, boy. So. So according to the same passage, Jesus shows his compassion for the Gentile woman because of her faith was greater than the Israelites. Not only that, but he says, wait, yeah, let me feed the children first, then the puppies. Let me deal with the children first. Notice the children and the puppies, the dogs, they're all in the same house. They're still in the Master's house. Let me feed the children first, then the puppies. So he's dealing with Israel first. Then, because this is Matthew 15, we get to Matthew 28 at the end. Go out to all nations, baptizing in them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them all that I've commanded you. Yeah. First it was Israel, then the rest of the world.

[Interviewer / Host]

Public service announcement. Protect this man at all costs. Protect this man at all costs.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Praise God.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, I got a couple more, bro, because.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Bring them, man. Bring them. I got a couple more.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Bring them.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, so let's say. Let's go with. Go with an agnostic or an atheist.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, all right.

[Interviewer / Host]

An agnostic or an atheist argument is, if God is all powerful, all knowing, all good, then he should be able to stop suffering. He knows what's happening. He should be able to stop it, yet he chooses not to. Either he's not powerful good, not good, or he doesn't exist. The amount of Suffering that's going on in this world with the children dying of cancer, Violence is not compatible with good. God.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. So, number one, I would ask, where are you getting your definition of good?

[Interviewer / Host]

What's good for humanity? What's.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

What is that? What. Why is what's good for humanity good?

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, peace.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Why is that good?

[Interviewer / Host]

Because we exist better when things are peaceful.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

But why is existing better good? Why is that more?

[Interviewer / Host]

We've just seen over the course of history that, that life is better for people when there's harmony and there's peace. I mean.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, but why is that good? Who's saying that that's what is good? Well, just human.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's objectively just better.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

When you say objective, that means that it goes beyond just your human opinion, anybody else's opinion that objectively, universally, this is what is good. Sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's a law in.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

What are you basing that on?

[Interviewer / Host]

The way that we interact as humans?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, that's fine, but what are you basing it on? That the interaction of humans should be peaceful and good, community and unity. Right. What are you basing that that is good on? What is your standard?

[Interviewer / Host]

The standard is we live on this planet and it's the best that we've. That we've seen for our functioning.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

But what is that? You're still not telling me What, Where, What's. What gives you that that is good? What's your standard? That's just an opinion.

[Interviewer / Host]

The standard is. It's, it's a feeling. It's. It's okay.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So you just feel like. So if I feel like, you know, chaos and, and mayhem is. Is what's good, sure. Am I wrong?

[Interviewer / Host]

But for our collective whole, that doesn't benefit everyone.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Who says that the benefit, what's beneficial to mankind is morally good. Who says that?

[Interviewer / Host]

You. I mean, we do collectively, I guess, as humans.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So if I get another collective of humans that say that chaos and mayhem is what is good and beneficial, then

[Interviewer / Host]

it won't last very long.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So what, are we wrong?

[Interviewer / Host]

Technically, no, but.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Okay, so it's just so from your position. You're just coming from a subjective position. Give me your opinion. You don't know what good is. However, you're still using it. You're still acting and living out as things that there's such thing as good and there's such thing as evil, appealing to an objective standard while denying the objective standard.

[Interviewer / Host]

So you're. What you're trying to say is I'm stealing from your worldview.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You're stealing from my worldview while Trying to argue against my worldview.

[Interviewer / Host]

This man is good. This man is good. This man is good. I mean, there's a sense of like you can answer these questions. I guess at the end of the day you're able to answer these hard questions for people, right? You're able to push back on these things. Like there's nothing that I've been able to throw at you that you weren't able to push back on. And there's gonna be somebody in the comments like, oh, you didn't ask them this and I'm sure you've heard it before. And it's like, I can push back

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

on that, but I haven't heard everything

[Interviewer / Host]

how like you can, there's a sense of you can push back and get people to a place where they're like, okay, you got a good point. But then what? I guess, like, how do you wrestle with if what they're receiving in their head is actually going to their heart?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. So like if I can, if I can get to a point where it's about laying a foundation, like so. Because you don't want to be talking past like you want this, this is why like I'm, I'm very, I'm known for being hyper focused on a point and never moving on until we solidify this point.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Because then the rest, if we go out without solidifying this, the rest of the conversation is just going to be mush and gish gash. So when we solidify on a point, then we could continue to build the blocks until now. We got the full house. So like what I like to like for just now, right. We solidify that. Okay. You don't have an objective standard, but you're stealing from mine. Okay, well that, so now you understand that the objection doesn't work against God because that still shows that you actually having morality and a sense of morality, good and evil shows that God exists. Now still the question is, so then why suffering? Right. That's the next step is explaining why suffering. Why suffering, even though we have an all powerful, all knowing and good God. And so that's when you can explain, like not all suffering is bad. For example, if I put my hand on a stove, the way that I'm going to know that my hand is being cooked is if I feel that pain, if I feel that suffering without suffering and pain, I could leave my hand on the stove and not know that I'm getting severe burn damage to my skin.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So when it comes to God, God knows all things. He has all wisdom and he's able to see the good out of suffering when we can't. And so to assume that because they're suffering, that means that there's necessarily. It's like all bad, it's just all straight up evil. That's wrong, that's false, that's a terrible perception.

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[Interviewer / Host]

you know, I just bring this up randomly. My son and I were talking yesterday and he was talking to, you know, somebody who was like, well, I don't believe there's a God. Right. I don't think there is a God. And it just doesn't make sense. And we were just talking about purpose and meaning, and you know that every human being on the planet is made with worth, value, and purpose. And if you don't believe in God, you've got to throw away the concept of meaning or value or purpose. When if somebody were to say, well, then, fine, I'm throwing away my concept of meaning and value and purpose. Like, I'm just going to pursue nothing. Yeah, I'm just gonna, like, is that even a reality? Is that a possibility?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

No. Okay, so what you get a lot with these agnostics and atheists is they'll say and utter things with their mouth, but they won't live it out. So challenge the person. Okay. If you really are saying that, okay, you're. You have no meaning. You are. There is no worth. There is no human ingrained inherent dignity, then let me slap you across your face right now. Don't do nothing. Let me steal you. Let me trip you and steal your wallet. And don't you dare have an inclination in your heart that I ought not to have done that. But automatically you will feel I have offended you. You wouldn't just be feeling a pain. You will feel offended. You'll feel disrespected because you have meaning, because you have worth. You see yourself as having meaning and worth. You can't live this out, what you're uttering, that there's no meaning. No, you can't. It's impossible for you to actually act it out. So that's what atheists. They'll say something about their worldview, but they don't live out that worldview.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's so fire. That is fire.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, I learned. You know, I read a couple books. That's fire. All right.

[Interviewer / Host]

People attack you, bro.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

They do.

[Interviewer / Host]

They attack you.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yep.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I want to know how you react. So I have something here. I want you to look at this, okay? I want to know, what do you. What do you react?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

How many chickens do you see on the screen right now? Because I only see one. Prove me wrong. Come on, Christians. How many chickens do you see on the screen? Because this is one chicken nature right here. Come on, prove me wrong. This is one chicken. It's not three. You may think you see three, but this is one chicken.

[Interviewer / Host]

Come on now.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

All right, okay, I can tell that you're having a hard time, so let me change the picture. How many gods do you See on the screen.

[Interviewer / Host]

Come on.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Stay consistent, Christians. How many gods do you see on the screen right now? And please tell me, the symmetry breaker. That's beautiful. He put. He put my face, Sam's face, and David's face on some chickens. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

How do you deal with personal attacks?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

The same way I just did it. Laugh. Because it's. And it's genuinely hilarious to me, man. I'm not kidding. You like, number one. This shows we're living rent free in their heads, and it shows that we are truly effective. The work we're doing, it bothers the enemy. The enemy's uncomfortable, so they have to resort to insults. They have to result to mocking, intimidation, slander, rumors. This is what they have to do. Because they can't beat us intellectually, they can't beat us spiritually, they can't beat us in actual intellectual dialogue. They can't win in that. They're losing souls. I have streams Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time. Streams where Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, agnostics, Sikhs are all coming to Christ stream after stream after stream. This Holy Week, this Easter week was crazy with Muslims after Muslim after Muslim coming to Christ live on the stream. It happens. But this week was great because it's stream after stream. Just this past stream that I just had on what's today? Thursday, yesterday, Wednesday, a Jehovah's Witness, he was like, man, in just two days, you destroyed my whole foundation. And he was like, now, like, now I have. I'm questioning everything. Glory to God by the Holy Spirit was breaking through. And he had a real cult mindset. So this. And the Jehovah's Witnesses in the comments section. Oh, you're fake. And, oh, you're paying people to do this, saying what the Muslims say. So they're uncomfortable. The work is effective, the fruit is showing. And so this is what I expect. This. If I wasn't getting this, then I ain't doing something right. You know, that's so powerful, bro. Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Before we dip.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

I gotta take you underwater on the deep end. We take people underwater, we ask them a few, few questions. Some of them are tough, some of them are not so tough.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

But I'm just curious. A couple, A couple things. You track some of the people you talk to. Does it ever weigh on you that you'll never know, you know, what happened to some of them? You know what I'm saying?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, like. And not in a negative way, but do you mean, like, what, what context? Exactly.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah. Just like, you know, some of the people that you talk to, you, you don't know what happens. You don't know if, you know, connected or not. Right?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. Yeah. So I. I pray for them, but it doesn't, like, because it's really important to understand our role in this, bro. Like, if we. If we step outside, it's like, what, you watch the NBA, man, and the player steps out of their role. You'. But then you try to start scoring, you're messing up the team. You know, it's the same when it comes to the body of Christ. Like, we have our roles, and we have to know what our role is in this work. Meaning it's not my job. It's not my role to convince the person that I'm talking to. It's not my job or my role to change that person's heart. That is up to God. God just sent me to talk to you. And so whatever God is going to do with you and whatever happens with y', all, that's between y' all all. But I just plant the seed. That's it. That's all.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

And so with that, it's. Once I learned that, it was a lot more comforting and it's. It's easier to, you know, let it go.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

You know, because it's not my job. I can't do God's job. Yeah, that's God's job. So we're. We're seed planters. Another man might be a waterer. God is going to grow it.

[Interviewer / Host]

What do you think the difference is between intellectual certainty and actual faith? Do you see a gap? Like, how far or wide is that gap, bro?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, I guess there can be a gap in certain situations. Like, okay, let's say, for example. Let's say, for example. So we. Let's say, you know, God, you know, God is real. He's worked in your life. Right. So you're certain God is. Exists. You know, God exists. You know, God is in your life. He's real. Bills need to be paid. You know, you just got fired. You know, you don't really see any real money coming in. I'm talking about myself. Talking about myself. But. But you, you know, God has worked in your life before, so you believe and trust that he'll work again. So true believing faith is trust is deciding to put your trust in God based off of the evidence that he's shown you. And so I think that that's where, like, faith and intellectual certainly kind of meet. Like, I haven't seen where the money's going to come from. I Believe. I believe God's going to take care of me, right? I believe God is going to take care of me. I'm certain that God is real and he's faithful. I don't know where the money's going to come from, though. That's where the faith comes in, where I'm deciding to trust God in this situation. So I think that's where they can overlap.

[Interviewer / Host]

My last question is at the end of your streams, and I've watched quite a few of your streams. You know, I'm a fan. I really.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

That's so dope.

[Interviewer / Host]

I think you're so. Let me say this first. You are so uniquely positioned. Like, I love apologists. I would used to watch debates on DVDs and just. There's so many great apologists that I have admired and respected. And again, I thought I wanted to be one until I really started getting into the trenches, and I was like, now y' all asking some deep questions that I don't. This is more work than I thought it was. But I have a great respect and admiration for the work that you do, the work of an apologist in general. But you are so uniquely positioned. I pray that more come after you that are similar because you're able to speak the King's speech and the common man's speech with ease. And, you know, there's just a generation of people who are like, yo, that's actually dope how he did that. When you're doing that, it's just so many little nuances that again, like. Like, I love Cliff. You and Cliff are night and day in terms of the way that you present things. And so I think it's so special. But all that. So that's just me affirming what you do, bro. And we need you out here. Like, I have personally benefited, even in this chair. I'm like, yo, that was fire. That was so good.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Thank you, man.

[Interviewer / Host]

But, like, at the end of your streams, you'll pray. And I'm like, is there. Is there anything consistent that you find yourself praying for?

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

More patience, more endurance, and for the person that I just. The people that we just spoke to and the listeners, I just. I just wanted to connect, man. I want, like. And I hear it's. It's interesting. I get more testimonies in my comment section and messages than I would in a live stream, you know? So that's where, like, it's. God vindicates the work. Because it's like, man, like, for example, just. Just like the. On Jehovah's Witness, Stream I was talking about, a brother came up on the stream. He told me. He was like, yo, there's this one clip that you had at Berkeley when you were speaking to a Jehovah's Witness, and. And you asked him, is Jesus good? And he said that one question from that clip caused my family, 16 members of my family, seven generations of Jehovah's Witnesses, to leave the kingdom hall and watch to our society. Because it clicked for them from that. Now, that was about. That was a year ago. Lecrae. Over a year ago, when I had that conversation at Berkeley. Never knew it reached that family. Never knew the effect it had within the Jehovah's Witness community. You know what I'm saying? I never knew. But he comes over a year later and says, yo, this video, this clip, it changed my entire family. 16 members left and came to Christ and believed in Christ for who he is in the Trinity because of this interaction. And so it's that, like, you get testimonies like that. I've never spoken to this family before. My first time talking to him. And so. But God vindicates in that way. And so that's my. It's my prayer is that when I speak in my live streams, that who. That whoever it reaches, that the Holy Spirit regenerates, that he renews them, that he opens their mind and their ears. That's my consistent prayer.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's really, really good, man. Yeah. I'm greatly appreciative if people want to know more. Find you look for your work. Like, what? Tell us what we need to be looking for, where we need to go.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Sure, yeah. So home base is YouTube, man. God logic Apologetics. We. We just recently hit over like 500, 000 subscribers. We're at like 500, I think, 42, 000 now. So we're growing Instagram, God Logic GL on Instagram and on tick tock. It's GodLogic. Underscore 2. If you want to watch my live streams on Tick Tock, post a lot of videos and stuff like that. That. Yeah. So those are my main platforms. Oh, I'm an ex, too. I don't really. Look, man, everybody be asking, where's the book? I'm gonna come up with a cookbook.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

I'm gonna come out with a cookbook.

[Interviewer / Host]

I like that.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah, it's gonna be. That's literally what's gonna be called. It's gonna, you know, be a cookbook with recipes on how to answer certain objections and how to present certain arguments, how to ask the right questions.

[Interviewer / Host]

Anything I can do to help that become reality, please. Yes.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes, I will endorse it. I will do the forward. That's fire.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. It's a concept right now, and people are serious about it.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's fire.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

So it's just about, I guess, getting started now, I guess.

[Interviewer / Host]

I love it, brother.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

My man.

[Interviewer / Host]

God. Logic. Avery Austin in the building. Such a superhero name. Thank you, bro.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Yeah. It was a pleasure to be here, man. Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer / Host]

Absolutely. Appreciate you.

[God Logic (Avery Austin)]

Praise God. Yeah.