Puppet director James Ortiz (Project Hail Mary) joins to share the downsides of making niche musical theater jokes, working with the gorgeous Ryan Gosling, navigating your way through the small world of puppeteering, and why using the word “camp” to mean “bad” has gotta stop.

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Produced by Paige Asachika & Gianmarco Soresi

Technical production by Ty Colgate

Edited by Dave Columbo

Special Thanks Tovah Silbermann

Original music by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Douglas Goodhart⁠

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