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Dwayne Johnson on His Health Journey—and Why Ownership of Our Health Matters
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Dwayne Johnson
My grandfather was a tough guy. He had all these aches and pains, refused to go see the doctor.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
What was the pain?
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Dwayne Johnson
Cancer. It had metastasized to a point where there was just no going back.
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Unknown
Dwayne Johnson, the rock dj, he's here and he's getting personal about his health.
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Dwayne Johnson
I got this gut issue and he's like, what's going on? I said, I've seen doctors and I can't quite nail it. I can't quite fix it. It's in my digestion.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Even someone like you who eats really healthy, who takes care of himself, you had a lot of nutritional deficiencies. Basically, things that are super easy to.
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Dwayne Johnson
F. The noise comes in many forms. You're doing it wrong. There's gurus, there's influencers. Here's what's not noise is data. And the data that for example, of function health can provide, like that's not noise. That is real. It's data. It's factual. And you take that, that will inform how you move forward.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You said your health is a gift to your kids, right?
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Dwayne Johnson
That's right. It's the best gift that we can give.
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Unknown
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Now, before we jump into today's episode, I'd like to note that while I wish I could help everyone by my personal practice, there's simply not enough time for me to do this at scale. And that's why I've been busy building several passion projects to help you better understand. Well you. If you're looking for data about your biology, check out Function Health for Real time Lab insights. And if you're in need of deepening your knowledge around your health journey, check out my membership community, the Hyman Hive. And if you're looking for curated and trusted supplements and health products for your health journey, visit my website@Dr.hyman.com for my website store for a summary of my favorite and thoroughly tested products. Well dj, it's so good to have you on the podcast man.
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Dwayne Johnson
Good to see you Mark. Thank you man. Good to see you too. Yeah, it's been a long time coming.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You've been someone who's been focused on your health and well being, but you all also struggled with with the healthcare system and getting the answers you needed and figuring out what's going on and maybe you could share, like how we got connected and, and how this all started with us and, and, you know, just as transparency, like, I'm your doctor, so there's like a, you know, intimate conversation. Everybody and DJ totally will share a lot about, you know, what he learned and what he's found about himself. But how did you kind of end up in my lap, so to speak?
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Dwayne Johnson
Right. Like. Like Santa.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.
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Dwayne Johnson
Santa Hyman. To start where. Where we started was so probably going on a couple of years now, and I was having some gut issues. And at that time, you and I didn't know. We know each other and we have a common friend. We have a lot of common friends. Come to find out, but we have a common friend in Ari Emanuel. And I was talking to Ari at the end of 2023.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And we were just talking. We're talking about our stuff. He's been a longtime business partner of mine who's been my lead agent as well for years and years, decades. And I was talking to him about my gut. And I said, man, I got this gut issue. And he's like, what's going on? I said, I've seen doctors and I can't quite nail it. I can't quite fix it. It's in my digestion. I feel great. And that's the odd thing, but I just can't crack it. And he said, I'm going to introduce you to a friend of mine. His name is Dr. Mark Hyman, and I'm going to connect you. And as you know, as you know Ari and anyone out there who knows Ari, these conversations last 30 seconds. So this was a five minute call that I had with him, which is a long time. And so he connected you and I, and via text. And then you and I spoke. And I'll never forget when I talked to you, it was a zoom. And you had said, hey, just curious, are you familiar with who I am and what I do? And I said, not one bit. I have no idea. And you said, do you know anything about functional medicine? I said, well, I've heard about it a little bit. And I said, tell me a little bit about it. He goes, well, this is my specialty, and this is what I do.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And you had said, very succinctly, you had said, I'm not going to treat your symptoms. I'm going to go deeper than that and I'm going to treat the root cause of what's going on.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And I said, I love that. And that that speaks to some of the Challenges that I've had with my own health journey in the past with some of the doctors and not indicting any doctors now, but because it's how they operate and it's what they do. Yeah, but I found how they're trained. It's how they're trained. Yes, exactly. But I found, you know, I was so challenged with them to try and get to the root cause of this problem and a few others in the past. And I remember asking you, I said, you know, this sounds fantastic. I said, but can I ask you, how about my gut like you? And you said, well, that's what I specialize in. And then you went on to tell me to call me doctor.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
See every poop dude.
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Dwayne Johnson
See, well, that's what, by the way, you brought that up. You said, hey, we're going to do a deep dive with your blood panel and we're going to do a stool test and we're going to do all these tests. We're going to find out what's going on. And that was at the beginning of 2024. And I was just getting ready to launch into what would, what would become a nine month work for me, workload for me of non stop work. And it was all in front of me and I was thinking, holy, how am I going to get through this with my gut issues? I'm not digesting. Digesting properly. And I would say probably six to eight weeks later. Yeah, you had me on the right track. And things started to come around and recalibrate.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
So it's so true. You know, I think a lot of people, when they go to the doctor, they're usually getting symptomatic treatment and not the root cause.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And, and what we found was rather than just sort of like giving you symptomatic treatment, we dug into the why and we found out that you taken an antibiotic for something.
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Dwayne Johnson
You had to remember that two rounds of antibiotics. Yes, that's right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And then your gut changed. But regular doctors don't pay much attention to that and to the detective work of taking your history, finding out, oh, that's what was the moment when things changed. Yes. We were able to go, well, that means you probably killed off the good guys in your gut.
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Dwayne Johnson
That's right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And so we then were able to rebuild and we found when we did.
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Dwayne Johnson
The stool test, wasn't there a lining that was missing?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, there's a very important bacteria that can easily kill when you take an antibiotic called akkermansia, which is basically coating the lining of your intestine. And protects you from having food and proteins and bacteria leaking in and causing inflammation in your body. And when you have gut issues, it can, you know, it can spread. It can lead to your whole body being out of balance. And so basically, by doing kind of a program where we basically rehabbed your gut, actually gave you probiotics, gave you various plant chemicals like pomegranate and green tea and cranberry, it basically helped to rebuild this bacteria in your gut and resolve your symptoms.
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Dwayne Johnson
It was this amazing gut health shake. Yeah. That had about, I think, 10 ingredients, maybe more, that we put together for me and some other things as well. But, you know, you bring up a great point. I feel like that's the microcosm of a larger issue here. Right. Which is just this idea that it was finally, through you understanding the power of. Wait, let's hold on. We know what the symptoms are. Let's not treat the symptoms. Let's go deeper and look under the hood and find out what the root cause is. Because what happened prior to me meeting you, I was seeing my doctors, and it was. Well, it feels like it's this. It's probably this. Let's take some of this. Let's take a little bit of that. And then four weeks later, no, nothing's changed. And I got to tell you, one of the things that I realized that once you and I got together and once you and I really became close and I started to understand function, health, and really deep diving is just this idea of doctors really not only writing a prescription for what they're sensing and what our symptoms are, but also, I think, just having the aperture to go, well, let's take a look and go deeper. And the challenging thing for me was their very consistent declaration of, this is what you have.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And you realize. And as someone who.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You're stuck with it.
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Dwayne Johnson
And you're stuck with it. But then if you don't know. Yeah, like I didn't know at that time, I would think, oh, this is what I have then, and I'm going to get treated by this particular pill or two. But it's that declaration that I realize after you and I got together, that that's the declaration that's one of the challenges out there, that when you declare things like this without doing a deeper dive in the blood panel, without doing a stool test, you realize how antiquated at times that system and that kind of training can be.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's true. And, you know, we're not. We're not trained to be proactive. We're not trained to be preventive. We're not trained to look at the cause. And that's where medicine's changing. And you mentioned functional health. That's really where you can get the deep dive on your body that really, it's hard to find other places. And we did that for you. And, you know, one of the things you called me about later was your heart. And, yes, you got a bit of a scare. You want to talk about what that was and, and how we ended up figuring out what was going on? Because I think it, it speaks to the importance of actually looking at your risk factors in a deep way that we did, we did with you with Functional Health Panel. I mean, we were able to find so many things that kind of gave us a sense of relief rather than being on a lifelong medication.
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Dwayne Johnson
Well, a huge sense of relief, by the way. And I just, I was never a medication guy. Like, I wasn't taking any kind of medications or anything like that. And as it relates to my heart, you know, all of a sudden you're rolling along in life and things are good. And then you reach your fifth level of life and you realize that, oh, you're of age.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. 53 now when you become 53.
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Dwayne Johnson
And then. So when you become of age, that's when all the tests start to happen. Right. Okay, where's the colonoscopy line? Let's do that. Hey, here's the cardiovascular workup, and let's look at the heart and let's look at all the valves and things like that. So when I was looking at the valves, and this was a little bit before you and I met. Yeah, but just as we met.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
I was looking at the valves and I had a complete cardiovascular workup and everything looked great. Thank God. Knock on wood. And then there was what looked to be what looked to be some. What looked to be some stuff inside.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
There, like a build up of, like, what they thought.
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Dwayne Johnson
What they thought was black. In the circumflex valve.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
In the artery.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah, in the artery. Right. And I didn't even know what that. I never even heard of. That sounds cool.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It goes around the backyard.
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Dwayne Johnson
It goes in the back. Now. I know that. Right. I always hear the. The main two. That's what you hear.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
But for those listening like me, I was unaware that we also have a really important one that goes around the back, the circumflex. There was some buildup, or so they thought. And then when we looked at that on the old school traditional MRI and the scans, it Looked like I had build up. And then immediately the call action was, all right, well, let's get you on this medication. It's a multi month medication. And here we go. We got to get on it right away. And I thought, God. And I was so hesitant because I wasn't taking a medication. So then I called you.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And I said, doc, listen, here's what I got. I'm not indicting anybody, I'm not throwing anybody under the bus. But what do you think? And here's what their suggestion is. And again, I'll never forget, on that zoom, you went, okay, hold on, hold on. Let's not jump to conclusions. I don't want you getting on that right now. Don't get on the medication. There's a couple of steps here I think that we can do that could be invaluable for it. For example, let's get a scan done, but let's get an AI scan done. That is incredible. And I said, okay, we got the scan done, you sent it to your guy, and then it came back. And, you know, it was almost like, you know when you hear a song for the first time and you're like, holy, I love that song. That song sounds great. So I remember when you told me, you said, hey, look, here's the report from our cardio, our head cardiologist who's a very good friend of yours. And you said that he said, looks great. It is just an anatomical thing that's happening back there. It's not build up at all. His valves look great. Come back in three years.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And what was amazing was, you know, your, your cholesterol was actually pretty good. I mean, you had, you had low HDL genetically, which is the good cholesterol. It's a little oversimplification, but, you know, when we did a deeper panel of your cardiovascular risk factors and we looked at things like apob, which is now being declared as this sort of the best biomarker for your heart, which again.
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Dwayne Johnson
Most doctors, they don't do that, right?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
We looked at your, you know, insulin, metabolic health and blood sugar and insulin, which nobody really looks at, in your insulin resistance score, which was perfect. You didn't really have any of the risk factors. Your inflammation level was super low. So here you are about to start a drug for a problem that you, you know, maybe had or maybe didn't have, that they were concerned about that you would have had to take for the rest of your life that you didn't need.
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Dwayne Johnson
And can I ask you, I just want to go Back on something that I found really interesting, which is the apob, which I didn't know about until you and I started talking and you started educating me. Why is that so important?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's a great question. So, so, I mean, that's a great question that the problem with America is that we're all metabolically and healthy, meaning we eat too much starch and sugar. That turns our metabolism into a system that doesn't work like it was designed. And so we, we have kind of busted metabolism and we end up in this metabolically.
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Dwayne Johnson
Like we're not as a country. We're not. No optimizing.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Like 93% of us have some degree of insulin resistance. Pre diabetes, type 2 diabetes. Like it's in that spectrum. And, and what, what, what kills people is that, that's what, that's what's killing people from heart disease and cancer and dementia and, and even things like depression are all related to this phenomena of poor metabolic health. What's amazing was now with the APOB test and with the other kind of even more sophisticated test that we did, which looks at the size and number of your cholesterol particles, we can tell what's happening with your, with your metabolic health. Because all the, the bad cholesterol particles tend to be the result of eating too much starch and sugar, not necessarily fat like that. That's kind of a myth we had for a long time. Maybe she'd a low fat diet that we should have margarine and you know, all this stuff. But yeah, that was a bad idea.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And it turns out of the sugar and start that's driving it. So the APOB is basically an indicator of all the, the dangerous cholesterol particles in your blood.
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Dwayne Johnson
Let me ask you this again. Who's someone who's not an expert, but just as someone who cares is apob. Why is an apob, in your opinion, part of the old school traditional testing that just.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Why is it not?
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Dwayne Johnson
Why is it not? Rather. Yes, why is it not?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's just, you know, it's like, it sounds kind of stupid, but like it just. Doctors get their order forms and they order their panel of tests and they probably establish that order form when they started practice in whatever year they started and they don't change. And it's very hard for doctors to change their practice, to change the workflow, to change, to change their mind, to be influenced by new ideas. And it's unfortunate because, you know, the, the amount of change that has happening is so rapid in medicine and science and even if you are wanting to change and adapt, even if you're a doctor, even if you want to, it's hard. The science is advancing so fast. Like, you know, you have a family history of dementia. I imagine it's scary, right?
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Dwayne Johnson
Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And it's one of those diseases you don't want to get. It's like the C word of the A word.
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Dwayne Johnson
Right, Right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And we were able.
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Dwayne Johnson
What was that? Biomarker?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, that.
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Dwayne Johnson
That connects to dementia that you had looked at. Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
So there's pretty good that you can do.
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Dwayne Johnson
What is that? Can you talk?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, this APOE testing, which is a kind of apoe. It's called apoe. We can go on to go on what that all means. But basically there's different varieties. There's a 2, a 3, and a 4. And if you have a 4 and a 4, that's the high risk. But there's a lot you can do to actually prevent it. Now, we know that Alzheimer's is preventable, that by intensive lifestyle therapy, you can even slow it down or even reverse it. And we can actually now look at that APOE in everybody. And we wanted to know for you because we're like, well, are you at risk? And what do we have to do something different proactively so you don't end up getting dementia when you're 70 and your kids are still relatively young and you can't remember their names? Right. That's not fun.
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Dwayne Johnson
Right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
So we now actually have even blood tests that are blood biomarkers. One's called P Tau 217, which looks at some of the proteins that get released when you have Alzheimer's in your blood. And you can.
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Dwayne Johnson
That's what I took. Yeah. Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And we can look at that. And if you don't have that, you're clean. And you can combine that with the APO AE testing and the brain imaging, and so you get a 360 view of what's going on. You know, we have all these conditions that really can become things that we don't die from anymore that we can pick up early, that we can then change the trajectory of. And so we found out you actually had what we call the jackpot gene, which is the opposite. You had, like, the APOE 2, which is a gene that means you kind of live a long time. You know, the people who, like, smoke and drink and live forever.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You're kind of one of those. You don't have the two. Two. Which is the true jackpot.
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Dwayne Johnson
Wait a second. So if I'm understanding this you have a 2, 3.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You have a 2, 3.
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Dwayne Johnson
No amount of tequila.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, I don't know about that. There is an amount of tequila that can override your genes, that's for sure. There's a limit that exceeds your genetic.
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Dwayne Johnson
Okay, got it, got it, got it. A little bit once, and I thought, you're on speed dial for me.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Is this okay?
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Dwayne Johnson
I'm gonna open up my second bottle.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Second bottle. The night of the year. Yeah, but it's. It's. That's what's so exciting now with these.
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Dwayne Johnson
It's very exciting. Let me ask you something, doc. Then when. When it comes to, like, apob and inflammation and things like that. So really, even if I didn't get the AI scan. Yeah, the detailed AI scan. Just by looking at that. Right. Looking at all those other markers that are. The deep dive would have helped indicate, hey, here's how we should move forward. Because everything else looks so good. This doesn't make sense.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, right. And I've seen this, you know, where you. You can do the opposite. You can find someone who's got great labs, but their heart scan looks bad, or you can have some of their bad labs and a heart scan looks perfect. So I think, you know, people just need to know their data. And I. And I imagine sometimes, you know, it's scary for people. And I. I think, you know, we talked about, you know, you being a little. So diving into this was a little scary in a way, because you're. You're like, what am I going to find? And is this gonna be bad?
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Dwayne Johnson
Like, yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
There's always that, like, kind of bury your head in the sand kind of move, which guys.
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Dwayne Johnson
We have a tendency to do that. And I know that I was like that, too, as well. And I remember the first couple of times we sat down and we went over, you were so nice enough to come over, and you and I are sitting. It's like we're sitting side by side. I'm going over everything with you, and you're going everything with me. And I'm like. I'm like, jesus, I. Half of this I don't understand. And I kept telling, asking you, okay, so I'm good here. You're like. You're really good. You're really good. It's funny because you. You could feel good, and you feel like, hey, I look good, and I'm rolling along in life, and I feel like I'm making all the right moves here.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
But then when it comes time, like, hey, let's take a deeper dive underneath this hood, you never know. And that's the scary part, I think for a lot of guys.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And I know I was hesitant, you know, with you. Like, okay, how far do I go?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
We started slow. You started looking at a few things. It's like, how about we do a little bit deeper? You're like, okay, okay, I trust you now. You fix my tummy. My poops are good. Like, let's. I trust you with the rest of.
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Dwayne Johnson
My Fix My Tummy. That's the name of my next book. Right. We'll co author. You Fix my Tummy. But you're right. Why is that? Why do you think is. Dudes in. In general are like that. I have a thought too, but let me.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, I see. We see this as pretty classic in medicine. You know, women always are more proactive about their health. They go to the doctor better. Maybe they start earlier. They, you know, gynecological exams are used to it. Men just are scared of doctors or scared what they're going to find. They know. They just don't want to know. And I think it also has to do with this.
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Dwayne Johnson
You think it's a vulnerability aspect? Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Guys don't want to be vulnerable. They want to be weak. They don't be seen as, you know, fragile. And I think there's a sort of a macho thing of like, well, I'm just gonna tough through it and I'm gonna. I have these symptoms, but, like, I'm not gonna go to the doctor, which is often what happens. And by the time you end up having to go, it's often too late.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah. My grandfather was a prime example of that, of just toughing through it. And he was a. He was a tough guy. He was a Samoan. He's one of the first Samoan professional wrestlers.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Wow.
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Dwayne Johnson
And his name was. Yeah, he kind of toughed through it and he had all these aches and pains, refused to go see the doctor. And one of his. His guys, one of his fellow wrestlers used to have him come over every day. And this was in Hawaii. He goes, I need you to pound on my back.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh, wow.
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Dwayne Johnson
He would just pound on his back. Just constantly thinking, like, just that old school, probably barbaric. Head in the sand.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
Kind of mentality. He was 45 when he died.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
What was the pain?
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Dwayne Johnson
Was it some cancer?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Cancer, yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And he refused it for months and months and months, and then it had metastasized to a point where there was just no going back. And that was it. By the time they caught it. Reach a Point where I. I gotta go see a doctor and see what's happening. Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's really heartbreaking, you know, and that, that, you know, we're at a point in medicine where those stories can be a part of history.
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Dwayne Johnson
That's right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And that really for the first time I think in history we can actually do comprehensive blood screening, we can do liquid biopsies for cancer and we can do whole body MRIs, by the way.
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Dwayne Johnson
Let's talk about that really, really quickly. I'm so sorry but because that, that's amazing news. So it's. So the full body scans, which I have not had one yet, I gotta say.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
We're gonna get you one.
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Dwayne Johnson
We gotta get me one.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yes, I'll get you in the big dog.
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Dwayne Johnson
That are usually an hour.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Right.
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Dwayne Johnson
So this new technology that you guys acquired brings it down from an hour to 22 minutes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
22 minutes. And we use very sophisticated AI to make the interpretation much more accurate, much higher resolution and get huge amounts of data. And it's, it's such a low cost that you can do it annually.
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Dwayne Johnson
But the cost of these are generally like a couple of grand or something.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Five hundred bucks? Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
How much is, is the 499?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
So for 499 you can get your comprehensive lab testing and comprehensive imaging and be able to actually make cancer a thing of the past. Dying from cancer, we can't get rid of cancer because it's going to come because we live in such a toxic world. Yeah, but imagine a world where everybody gets screened every year. Like imagine if your grandfather was screened you know, he would still maybe be here.
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Unknown
I don't know.
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Dwayne Johnson
You never know, man, you never know.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And you know, he certainly didn't have to die at 45. If you have a stage one or two cancer, the five year survival rate is like in the 90%. So basically, if you catch it early, in early stages, you can cure it. Cancer is curable and you can basically cut it out. But if you catch it late, you know, it's only a matter of time actually.
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Dwayne Johnson
Right?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, it's only a matter of time.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Like having, having like this available is really revolutionary.
- [27:41]
Dwayne Johnson
Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And, and you know, it, you know, when you hear those stories, like my father also, he, he died of cancer of lung cancer. He was a smoker when he was younger, he quit, but it caught up with him and he ended up dying of lung cancer. And if he'd had the scanning, my father wouldn't have had to die when he did. He would have lived premier still be alive. He's a very stubborn guy. My sister died of bile duct cancer. Something again, it picked up very late and this kind of screening would have picked it up early. The amount of lives we could save, the amount of suffering we can end, is just incredible. Before it was sort of only really for wealthy or elite. And I think that's changing. You know, now we're able to democratize healthcare. We're providing solutions outside the healthcare system because it's still very ossified and takes a long time for medicine to change. But when you start to think about what this unlocks for people, being able to get their data on a longitudinal basis, be able to get their imaging data, their lab data, follow it regularly over time for basically a couple of bucks a day. It's a game changer really.
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Dwayne Johnson
It's for everybody how important that is, because ultimately, and this is the thing that you and I have talked about, which is what I advocate for in my own little way, however I can help, is you want to take agency of your own life, you want to take accountability of your own health. There's so much noise out there in social media and just out there in the world as it relates to health. The noise comes in many forms. You're doing it wrong, right? Do it better. There's gurus, there's experts, there's influencers. Here's what's not noise is data. And the data that for example, the function health can provide, like that's not noise that is real, it's data, it's factual. And you take that and you can inform yourself and that will inform how you move forward with your own life. You want to take control of your life.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's true. I think, you know, that's. That's an era where, I think, where people are sort of getting that medicine's a little bit antiquated and that things are, like you said, held back from them. From. There are doctors either not knowing about it as innovations or taking decades for things to get into practice. And so the beautiful thing about function is it's literally able to take all the world's scientific literature using, you know, technology and AI machine learning to inform what it means and to tell you what to do about your results. That, with knowledge experts, with, you know, tens of thousands of pages of training we've created, provides a model where it actually tells you this is what it means for you, this is why it's important. This is how it relates to everything else. These are the things that you might be headed towards, and these are the things you can do to take agency over your health now without necessarily even medical care. Like we may. You may need medical care, but you may not. In fact, 80% of health happens outside the doctor's office. It's where you live, it's where you eat, it's where you play, you pray. It's like that's where health happens. Not in the. Not in the clinic or the hospital. That's for disease treatment, but health, you know, what you eat, your lifestyle, exercise, how you sleep, how you manage stress, optimizing your nutritional status, or sometimes supplements, which are important because our diet so deficient, is all sort of critical parts of optimizing your health and your function, which is the whole point of function is to help you function better. Right. So you can do your life. It's like not about being healthy for healthy sake. It's so you can engage in the work you love so you can be with your family and be present with your kids and show up for your friends and, you know, be available to actually fully engage and not feel like crap all the time.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, and even someone like you who, like, eats really healthy, who takes care of himself, you had a lot of nutritional deficiencies. You had low vitamin D. Yeah, low. Some of the Omega 3s that were low, you had low magnesium, you had low folate, and basically things that are super simple and easy to fix. And we're able to get these insights from doing your diagnostic labs. And doctors don't check nutrition levels, they don't check your toxin levels, they don't check for your what's going on with your gut or all the things that we check for. For your insulin and metabolic health? So it's like this. There's this really incredible moment now where we've got this movement in America where people are starting to wake up about their health. We have people, you know, realizing that, you know, the emperor has no clothes in some ways, that healthcare is. Is necessary, providing all the answers that they want. And I can't see everybody, like, I. I wish I could see millions of patients. I can, you know, but this is. This is. Can scale to billions of people.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And. And really help unlock a lot of. Of agency and ownership of people's health where they. They don't have to suffer from things needlessly. Because for me, that's. That's what's driven me. You know, there's so many millions of people that suffer needlessly from problems they don't have to deal with if they knew what to do.
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Dwayne Johnson
And so much of that, I feel like the connective tissue goes back to. You said nutrition.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, right.
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Dwayne Johnson
And supplements. And that's one of the things that I was really amazed at. When you and I started working together and we started talking about my gut and gut health and how to fix it. You were like, hey, let's look at what you're eating. And I said, you're gonna laugh at what I'm eating because I eat the same thing every day for years. It's like complex carbohydrates, protein and fat. That's it. And greens.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
This podcast is special because it's. It's coming around Father's Day, and a lot of guys totally neglect their health.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And miss the boat when it comes to picking up things that affect their quality of life or affect even them being alive. You know, like half of the time when guys find out they have heart disease, it's sudden death.
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Dwayne Johnson
Too late. Yes. Because there's a lot just as dudes, too, as well. There's a lot of stuff that we take control of. The car we drive, the job we have, you know, if we. We see a beautiful girl, you want to talk to her, whatever the thing may be. But then when it comes to health stuff, and this idea of sometimes looking into the hood can make you feel vulnerable, maybe a little bit weak. You don't want to do that. We shy away from that. We put our head in the sand, as you say. And that's the thing that I thought, oh, well, what an opportunity this is with function health to give dudes and guys like hey, permission.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, like go after it.
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Dwayne Johnson
But by the way, speaking of Father's Day, like, we have. One of my favorite country artists is a good buddy of mine, Sturgill Simpson. There's a great line in one of his songs. After. After life is over, the afterlife goes on. So we're all going to get there one day. So I feel like the space between right now, you and I talking and people watching and listening to when we're walking in the clouds, we can really take accountability of that space in there. And why not? Yeah, you know, and why not get as much data and information as possible and make the right decisions so we can be around for a lot more Father's Days and we can be around to raise our kids and be there for the graduations and the weddings and all the other stuff. And I always like to say, if wellness was a wagon, you know, I'll fall off it every once in a while. Like tonight I'll open the bottle of tequila, I'll have a cookie or two. But anyway, that's why it was so important to me. And I felt like it was really, really personalized to me to share that with everybody who is listening.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's beautiful because, you know, it sometimes can be scary. Right. And. And you said it was a little scary for you. And I think, what would you say to people who, who are maybe scared to look under the hood?
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Dwayne Johnson
I get it. I get it. It's scary to look under the hood. Especially, you know, if you're not an expert. I'm not an expert. I'm just somebody who cares. All the guys who I know, with the exception of yourself, we're not experts. We just care. I get that it could be scary. I get that you don't want to be vulnerable. I get that. You know, there's a good buddy of mine who, you know, you reach a fifth level in life and you become of age, and he was getting all of his blood work done in his test and his stool tests and everything, and just. And he goes, I gotta get all my cardiovascular workup done. And he was really scared.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
He was like, I'm praying every day. I'm like, I get it, brother. I'll pray with you, but we gotta get it done.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
So I would say, I get it. But you can take control of this, and you have an opportunity to take control of this, so why not? Yeah, why not? And if you can extend your life by a day or two or years or decades, you never know. You know, I lived it, I watched it with my grandfather, where he kind of just refused to pound on my back. Pound on my back. Yeah. It's the name of my next book I'm gonna write.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And for fathers, I think, you know, particularly, you know, you're. I was at your house. I met your kids. I mean, they were pretty young, you know, so you're an older dad. Yeah. And so you. You thinking, like, if you're a dad, you want to be around when your kids are young, you want to be able to do stuff with them, you want to be able to be there and see your grandkids. Right. In order to do that, you can't just wait around and hope nothing happens to you.
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Dwayne Johnson
You have to be proactive, that is. And for a lot of people watching and listening right now, especially us dads and fathers, whether you're younger dads or older dads, there's the why.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
The why is the little ones who are running around and keeping you up at night and driving you crazy and making a mess of things. And, you know, that's the reason why to do this, and that's the reason why to take accountability and responsibility for your health. And again, there's so much other stuff out there that we will chase as guys, and we'll go after. We'll chase this thing and that thing, and we'll chase a lot of stuff that we shouldn't be chasing, but the one thing we should. Which is our health.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And you said, you know, you know, your health is a gift to your kids. Right?
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Dwayne Johnson
That's right. It is. It's the best gift that we can give.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
Because we want to be around, and we want to. Not only do we want to be around, but also we want to be the example for them. And, hey, listen, this is what daddy's doing. And this. But this is why I'm doing it.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
By the way, when you left that day and you left the house, you were like, daddy, who's that guy? Yeah, he's taller than you. Who's that guy?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
He's taller. Taller, but not wider.
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Dwayne Johnson
And I told him, I said, well, that's my doctor. I've been with him for a couple of years now, and here's what we do. And, you know, whenever I get the function health blood panel done, they're right there. Yeah, they're watching the blood panel getting done. It's pretty cool for them, too, as well.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's awesome. And you're. And you're actually modeling for them.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yes, exactly.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Leaning into your health to show them.
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Dwayne Johnson
Leaning into the health. And so we have a pretty healthy household, with the exception of one day out of the week when I have my cheat day, you know, they're right there.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, you sort of, I think, leaned into a lot of this in a way that I was surprised because, you know, you could be doing anything with your time and energy and effort and that you care so much about. This says a lot about you. And you said this isn't just a message, it's a mindset for you. What does it look like to kind of own your own health and for you? And also, what would it look like for more people to do that?
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Dwayne Johnson
Well, for me, what it looks like to own my own health is just to make the move. It could be scary. It could be, especially the uncertain stuff.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And you.
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Dwayne Johnson
And I experienced that, and I got vulnerable with you, Doc, I don't know if I like, I don't. I don't know what I gotta find. You know, it might look fine on the outside aesthetically, but you never know. And took the dive. And I'm glad I did it, by the way. And, you know, had not been for the grace of God in the universe, and I'm knocking on wood again. You never know how those things go, and that's okay. But the fact that I did do it modeling, not only for my kids, showing them that this is what we need to do, I want to be around for you also. It's very empowering when you take control that way and you do it. And again, just as guys and women too, I'm going to speak on behalf of dudes. Like, we take accountability over a lot of things, and we go after a lot of things that are important. Success is important. And making it what it looked like for me was taking the step and taking action, you know, in the universe. I feel like that all meets you halfway when you take those steps. And so for other people out there who are considering this, and I have talked to so many guys, guys who I know who are in my inner circle, who are kind of on my inner outer circle, and then just people who I see out in the gym or whatever, wherever, if they get a quick minute with me, it's usually. I usually get a couple of questions from them within a couple of minutes. If we have a couple of minutes, it's, hey, do you got any keys to success? Well, here, I could share this with you. This is my experience. And how about on the health side? Like, I get versions of health, wellness, mental health, mental wellness, that kind of thing.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Mental Health.
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Dwayne Johnson
Mental health is what we have. In order to get to the mental wellness, you got to go through the mental illness. But I get a lot of that. And I would say for people out there, take the step. Yeah, take the step. Because the alternative is you don't. And we know what the pathology is to that, and we know where that road eventually, for all of us, where it ends.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
But if you can. I think, in my opinion, I feel like if you can get in there and you can get as much information and data. It's hard data. It's like, as you told me when we first met, hey, think of this. Hold the mirror up to your biology and see what that looks like. And are you willing to do that? And once you are, then, man, I can help you.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
And we can help you and function Health can help you. And then let's go.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Test, don't guess.
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Dwayne Johnson
That's right. Test, don't guess.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, everybody thinks of you, like, as the rock, right? You're the rock, which is invincible, sexist.
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Dwayne Johnson
Man alive, I got a lot of sex.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, I thought I was a sexy melon.
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Dwayne Johnson
You are sexist, Dr. Love.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
People think of you as sort of invincible. And even your name, like the Rock, is sort of emblematic of that.
- [40:46]
Dwayne Johnson
The pressure of that, Doc, we talk about that. Jesus Christ.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
But you've been really vulnerable here. You've shared your medical story, you've shared what's going on. You've shared some of the fears, you've had some of the stuff in your family. What do you hope people take away from seeing you sharing your own vulnerability around this?
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Dwayne Johnson
Oh, I could do it, too. I mean, that's it. It feels like that's the stripped down takeaway of this is, oh, if my guy DJ can do it, I can do it. And if you want to be vulnerable, great. I'm an advocate for that. And I get it. It's not the easiest thing for guys. It's not the easiest thing for anybody to do, but especially guys. Just how we're wired. It's how we are. We don't want to be vulnerable. We don't want to be weak. We want to have all the answers. We want to be tough. We want to be strong in the face of our kids, our girlfriends, wives, whatever it is. We don't want to show all this stuff. And, you know, whether you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, whatever age you are, and whatever level of life you are, it. It's all the same. It doesn't change like there's one person who controls it for me, when I think about this and I think about people out there watching and listening and people who I talk to go for it, it's going to be scary. You never know what you're going to find, but you. You're going to want to find it as opposed to not. And then all of a sudden you're in a situation that you don't want to be in.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Well, I just want. I just want to thank you for being so courageous, for leaning in your own house, for actually using your voice to raise awareness about this, because a lot of people don't know that they can know.
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Dwayne Johnson
Well, my pleasure. And you're doing tremendous work, by the way. I know how busy you are and, you know, with everyone who you're seeing, who you sit down with, you talk to in a podcast and interview everyone, but also just all the work you're doing, period, is really commendable, man.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, well, I hate.
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Dwayne Johnson
I hate history. Always looks back.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Dwayne Johnson
I think one day when you and I are walking in the clouds, they'll look back on all the work that you're doing here and you go, that's.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Our guy seeing the game up in the sky.
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Dwayne Johnson
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Thanks for being on the podcast, you know, this conversation.
- [42:50]
Dwayne Johnson
Thank you for all your help. I appreciate it.
- [42:51]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh, anytime, all the time. And the tequila, you can text me.
- [42:54]
Dwayne Johnson
Thank you. I'm on my third bottle.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Is this good?
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Dwayne Johnson
You're, like, on the night.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
The night. So this, you know, this conversation has really been all about empowerment and taking from your health and making informed and proactive choices. So I want to share that. Like, we're really excited to invite everybody on this mission with us, and we believe everybody deserves to access their own health data. And we believe in affordability. It shouldn't be a barrier. And that's why we really are offering, as part of this podcast, a special hundred dollar credit toward your functional health membership. For the first thousand people who sign up, I like to enter the promo code, take control 100 at checkout. And take the first step toward owning your health today. All right, thanks, dj, for being here.
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Dwayne Johnson
Thank you, brother. A pleasure.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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