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Episode #22 Featuring STEM CELL EXPERT Christian Drapeau! A CLINIC ON EVERYTHING STEM CELLS! The role of stem cells in repair, how they function, the relationship with inflammation, gut health, mitochondria, pain management, and more!!
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All right, everybody, welcome back to the Dylan Gelli podcast. So I have a guest today that I've really been waiting quite a while to interview, and I'm so thankful that he's given me the time today to go over some really intriguing topics with you today. So I'm gonna introduce him and then give you a little bit of background that on my experience with him as well. But so my guest today is a scientist, he's an author, he's a medicinal plant expert, and what he's most well known for is being a pioneer in the field of stem cell research. So, my friends, this is Christian Dropo. Welcome, Christian.
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B
Nice, nice. Great pleasure to be with you, Dylan.
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So I want to say something that I haven't told you before, and I want to make this very clear to the audience, just the kind of impact that you've had on me personally. So. And I don't want to talk too long about me, but one of the reasons, actually, one of the main reasons that I transitioned into biohacking and even found any of this was because I met you and when I had the opportunity to sit and speak with you and meet you at the Mr. Olympia, I've just been a health and fitness guy for the last 15 years, like diet training, you know, all of that. You. Not only did you open my mind up to, like, stem cells in general, which is something I had heard of, but not really, if I'm being honest. All I knew was that professional athletes had had the treatments done. I didn't know anything further. But because that I had the opportunity to sit and talk with you so long, learn from you, take that home with me, then look into you, you opened up a whole new reality of biohacking to me. I've had the opportunity to interview some of the most amazing people already in just a few months. But you are literally, and I will say this in all honesty, going to be one of the smartest people that I've ever encountered or interviewed. But you, you opened this whole realm to me. So all I can tell you, aside from thank you, is that, you know, your impact is probably everlasting on how my career has evolved and what I'm doing. So just, just so you know, the impact that you've had.
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B
Can I say, Dylan, I. I did not know, but I'm glad you know. That's, that's, that's. That's what we would like. That's what I would like to do, you know, in the work that we do, is that it has an impact on people so thank you for sharing.
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Yes, absolutely. So, look, I've. I'm thankful for the time you've given. So we're going to dig into everything and then I'm going to also talk about my experience, you know, with stem regen. But we'll get into that as we go through. So first, I guess, what made you get into stem cells? How did you discover stem cells and why?
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Okay. Well, it's an interesting story, I think, not because it's my story, but as a scientist, to me, what is fascinating, anytime during my schooling or after, anytime, I would hear a story about somebody who discovered something through what I would refer to as the traditional scientific meaning. You start with no desire. All you want is that you have something in front of you that you can't really explain, and you're just trying to find an explanation. So you position a hypothesis, you follow it, you test it in the lab, and then you move forward. And at some point, either you discover nothing, you discover something that changes everything. And in this case with the stem cells, I think it's. We discovered something that is like completely changing our understanding of health, wellness, disease formation, disease formation, longevity. But it started really in a very benign way. I knew nothing about stem cells. I was studying this blue green algae from Klamath Lake. You may have heard of the product. So I was hired in 1995 to study how this plant was working in the body. This was just after the passage of the dshea, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act. And the company selling this product needed to have an explanation, a mechanism of action to be able to support and data to be able to support the claims that they were making. So that's how I started. So I'll make the story short here, but as I'm studying this plant, we quickly identified its main mechanisms of action. But as I'm researching it, I come across people who after consuming this blue green algae, had reversal of multiple sclerosis, diabetes, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson, Alzheimer's, liver failure. I mean, conditions. Not only the stories were very impressive, but they were touching all aspects of human health. So for me, the question as a scientist was after some time, I could not deny the results that we were seeing. But the question was, what is the one thing that this plant is doing that is helping in one person, the pancreas and someone else is delivered. Someone else is the lung, someone else is the heart, and so on. So we had no real understanding for a number of years until one day I came across an article documenting for the first Time. To my knowledge, stem cells going from the bone marrow to brain and becoming a brain cell. So you go back in 2001. Stem cells are only known to be precursors to blood cells. That's our knowledge, is that that's what stem cells are doing. They're not becoming cells of your heart or anything else and of all organs of the body. My background is brain research. We are told, and we were told that the brain does not regenerate. So they see a stem cell going from the bone marrow to the brain becoming a brain cell. I thought it was like amazingly interesting. So I went to the local library to see what else I could find. The medical library. And I found one other article documenting stem cells becoming heart cells and another one documenting stem cells becoming liver cell. So we're back in 2001 here I thought, if stem cells can become heart, brain and liver, why not pancreas, skin, lung and the rest? Makes no sense that stem cells will become those three organs, but not the rest. So let's ass that means they have to be the repair system of the body. How can you see like an immune cell migrating from your lymph nodes to the area where you have an infection, where that immune cell goes beside the bacteria and kill the bacteria. This process is well coordinated, it's not random. You would not say what a crazy cell that went and killed this bacteria. No, it's your well orchestrated immune system. So if you have cells that can become cells of various tissues in your body, they have to be the repair system of the body. So we published an article in a journal, Medical Hypotheses, suggesting that stem cells are the repair system of the body. And in the back of my mind, just like we have plants stimulating the immune system, what if this blue green algae was working by stimulating the release of stem cells? So in 2001, two very, very far fetched ideas, we could not find any scientists just thinking that our idea was making any sense. But to me it just made a lot of sense. So we acquired a flow cytometer, which is the machine to count stem cells. We started to count stem cells in our blood, took a blood sample, count stem cells, then took the blue green algae and took another blood sample an hour, two hours, three hours later, and we saw the whole phenomenon. So you take this plant and within a few hours you release your own stem cells. You have an increase in the number of stem cells in circulation. And from that point on, dedicated everything to study the role of stem cells in the body and more importantly, their role as Being the repair system of the body. And how can we boost that repair system to gain, you know, greater health, greater repair, and so on. So in a nutshell, that's kind of how I got into stem cell research.
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So you were really at the forefront then of people studying or learning about stem cells, are pretty much, you know, one of the first people by. By what, what I'm gathering from what you're saying, Is that correct?
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B
Yes, it's correct in the sense that when science discovered that stem cells from the bone marrow could have some ability to repair, they had some regenerative properties. I discovered that in the scientific literature. So other people did the work before me. But as they are doing this work, it is assumed that stem cells from the bone marrow, as they sit in the bone marrow, don't really have a whole lot of potential. You need to be able to take them out, do something, and inject them back. So that was the start of all the development of various stem cell therapies and stem cells treatments that you hear about. You know, the athletes you were, you were talking about referring to, they go and they get an injection. So what I'm really the pioneer of, and probably like the number one pioneer is understanding that these stem cells that are in your bone marrow, they actually do the repair in the same way as the stem cells that you inject. So it's just a matter of finding a way to trigger their release from your own bone marrow so that they can, they can get into the bloodstream. So this concept that I coined, endogenous stem cell mobilization, which means the release of your own stem cells, that modality in terms of tapping into the regenerative power of stem cells, that's what I pioneered from the early days of stem cell research. That's correct.
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Okay. So just so I can kind of correlate this with, say, like one of my specialties is like hormone optimization. So if you. I have low testosterone and I go in for trt, so I'm getting exogenous testosterone injected, that would be similar to going in and get exogenous injections of stem cells. Then aside from taking a testosterone booster, which could possibly release more testosterone, or same thing like with a growth releasing hormone peptide, where I'm releasing growth hormone. You're learning, or learned, excuse me, how to release stem cells in that manner. You found the key, basically, very, very good analogy.
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That's what we're doing. We're basically using plants to make your body do something that if you are 40, 50, 60 year old years old, we're making. Finding a way to make your body do something that it was doing normally in your 20s and 30s when you did not have any of the problem that you have today. And to a large extent it's because you had more stem cells when you were younger to help the body repair and more testosterone and many other things. The beauty though is that they're really kind of all working together. But the bottom line, like, like, because testosterone will be like one aspect of your health. When you're talking about stem cells, you're going like one layer deeper. It's like the repair of all parts of the body, the cells making testosterone. While your stem cells can become those cells. Cells. You're talking about the heart. Well, stem cells can become cardiomyocytes. So it's like, it's the, it's the very basic level of maintaining your health as you age.
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So these are basically in a nutshell, in just simple terms, like the healers of your body, so to speak. That's what stem cells primary function is, is. Am I correct in saying that?
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Totally. You get, you get, for example, and these studies use like heart attack, bone fracture, burn to the skin, stroke. Regardless of the problem, you get an injury to a tissue. What your body will do naturally is that within hours of the injury, we can pick up in your blood the release, the secretion of this very specific compounds very well known to trigger the release of stem cells from the bone marrow. Within about a day or two, you start to see the number of stem cells increasing in the bloodstream. By day three to five, your body will have increased the number of stem cells in circulation by up to tenfold. Now these stem cells don't know exactly where to go. Tissue starting on the second day starts to release locally one specific compound that when it touches receptors at the surface of stem cells, it will trigger the migration of stem cells out of the blood into that tissue. And upon contact with cellular debris of that tissue, the stem cells will start to multiply and transform into cells of that tissue. And to me, what is fascinating about all of this is that this is a process that today, as I'm telling it appears new. If you've been even to med school, you will say, well, it's strange that this could be that way because I've not learned this in med school, because it has not yet crossed fully the gap between academia, research and, sorry, research and academia. So it's not yet really. You're not learning this yet in school. But if there's one thing that every single human being on this planet has seen in their own lives, and is that you've had cuts, you've had bone fracture, you've had sprained ankles. You have things that, you know, like they were an injury, and you just gave it some time. Nobody did anything. You break a bone, the doctor puts you in a cast. Nothing is done done to make that bone repair, but six weeks later, the bone has repaired.
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Yeah.
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And it is not weaker than what it was before. It's just as solid as what it was before. So we have seen in our lives that the body has this innate ability to repair. It's just that before, we had no explanation for it. You get a surgery, the surgeon just say, go rest for two weeks and come and see me back. Nothing, no instruction is given to you telling you what to do to boost your stem cells, because they're the one doing the repair. We just did not know. Go and rest. And right now, what we're discovering is that it's actually your stem cells. Your stem cells are your repair system. They kick into gear, and they are. They are the cells that have keep you alive until now and have played the job of repairing any kind of injuries that you've had since the day you're born.
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Okay, so when somebody says, oh, I've noticed as I age, I'm having a heck of a lot more time recovering from injury or even workout recovery in general, that is a direct correlation then with chances are the lack of release of stem cells moving around within your body.
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I mean, I'll go one step further. It's a reflection of a phenomenon that is very well documented in the scientific literature, not well studied, but well documented, is that you're born with red marrow that very quickly converts into yellow marrow, fatty marrow. By age 15, you've lost about 50% of your overall red marrow. At some point in your 30s, up to 90% of your red marrow. And that is reflected by a decline, a corresponding decline in the number of stem cells in circulation. You just don't have as many stem cells in circulation in your 40s that you had when you were 15 or 20. So you cannot recover as fast. You cannot repair as fast. So you go to the gym, you kind of really, like, trash yourself. And all these micro traumas, micro lesions will give you pain the day after. And you did not have the same experience when you were 15. You could go play like crazy all day, and the day after, you could just go back and play again. You have tons of stem cells to repair overnight. So now. And that's one of the main thing that we do is that the product we have that puts more stem cells in circulation, which you probably have experience now, go in and trash yourself at the gym now, release your own stem cells, and you have a whole different experience the day after.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah, I want to get into that, but I want to, I want to take this all the way back to like, when we're born and then take it through, like, the evolution of life here so we can kind of see how this goes and works. And I understand it's probably different for, for each individual, but I'm sure there's a certain trajectory we can expect. Like your testosterone levels are generally going to start declining when you're 30, HGH levels, you know, father time type of thing. So with, with stem cells. So like when we're born and we're like, you know, teenagers and everything, I'm assuming that's like when we're at our highest level of production and correct me if I'm wrong here and, and guide me along here, when. Is there certain things that we do in life aside from taking, like, the products and everything that could possibly stimulate, like, early on especially. I understand when there's a decline, it's going to be difficult, but are there, like, foods, are there mannerisms of living that can help to, you know, optimize our stem cell production, or is that just. It's just kind of is what it is. And then as life goes on, we can just expect a decline.
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The decline is there so far today. There's nothing that we can do about it so far. There could be some research down the road that will show something different, but there's surprisingly not a lot of research on the bone marrow. So right now there's nothing you can do about it. The number of stem cells decline. Aside from the plants that we have studied, the only thing that is known to put more stem cells in circulation is fasting. It has an interesting relationship because fasting will put more stem cells in circulation during the fast. But strangely enough, these stem cells are sort of more dormant during the fast. But when you resume eating now, their ability to regenerate is almost like boosted. And if you isolate any one of these stem cells and look at their ability to migrate and differentiate and proliferate, they seem like they work like younger stem cells. So it's almost like fasting also can regenerate or rejuvenate, I should say, these stem cells. So so far, fasting is probably the greatest tool that we know of in terms of supporting your own stem Cells, but the decline, it's just what it is. Like there's, there's nothing you can do about it. And it's interesting because you talked about testosterone, growth hormone. I mean, there's a lot of things past 30 that is, that, that, that turns out, if you want, like, is really not as good as when you were 15 or 20. And it's very interesting that if you take a step back, we have evolved over tens of thousands of years with a life expectancy of 20 of 30 years of age. I'm not saying nobody lived longer. What I'm saying is as a species that was, you're born and you know that your life Expectancy is about 30 years of age. So my point is that we have. Longevity has never been selected in our evolution. So we end up today, over the past 150 years, we have gained an extra 50 years in life expectancy. We don't necessarily have the tools in the body. The body is not prepared to be able to live these extra years with full health. So we need to find ways to almost like hack, leverage aspects of our physiology to allow us to live this, these extra years with more strength, more vitality. Testosterone is one aspect of stem cells, is definitely like a core aspect of that.
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So when, when I get a client that has low testosterone, like earlier than normal, obviously sometimes it could be just some sort of like inherited, you know, hypogonadal condition that's just like an anomaly. But a lot of cases it's because of poor diet or lack of exercise or a slew of things that I could run a list down for stem cells. Are there certain behaviors that we do that could cause them to stop producing earlier? Or is that kind of like negligent? And there's really. It just kind of is what it is.
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It's a very interesting question, not easy to answer. I would say somewhere it's probably a little bit like what you're describing with testosterone. Like, it's not my specialty or my expertise, but my understanding of poor testosterone, not poor testosterone, let's say erectile dysfunction, to a large extent. It is actually driven by poor circulation. It was believed to have a lot of mental aspect, psychological aspect, hormonal aspect. And while they do play some role, the bottom line is probably 80% of the cases is the microcirculation has been affected. It's a cardiovascular problem. Is that right or not?
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Yes.
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Yeah. So I would say stem cells a little bit the same. I cannot say that there are not things that can actually affect stem cells directly. I Think the bigger problem is that once stem cells have been released, how can we allow them to reach where they need to go, move everywhere in the blood circulation and do fully what they can do? And that the question is more there. Like oftentimes when I give lectures, I show this study. It's a short video that to me is like such an impact. So scientists, a group of Doris Taylor, she took the heart of a mouse, digested that heart with proteolytic enzymes that digest all the cardiac muscle. So after a number of hours, they're left with the soft skeleton of the heart, like the connective tissue of the heart. And on that connective tissue that still retains the trace that it was a heart, they simply lay out the stem cells from that animal and within about a week they end up with a beating heart in the test tube. Really, your stem cells in your bone marrow can completely reconstruct a heart. And I'm not just saying reconstruct heart cells. I mean reconstruct ventricles, atrium, nerve, nervous circuit, electrical circuit of the heart, the valves, everything in the heart. For that heart to be functional, it is absolutely mind blowing. Why is it that these stem cells don't do this in our body? And the thing is that they're actually doing it. Like we have cases where we have taken people on a heart transplant list and within a matter less than two months they have normal heart function. We have seen that the question is these are like exceptional cases. Why in the majority or in people who tend to have a not as good health, why are there stem cells not doing their job? And there are a number of answers to your question. Number one, there's something that is called a good mobilizer or a poor mobilizer. And the best way to determine if you're a good mobilizer, it's ridiculous. But we just count how many stem cells you have in your blood. If you have a lot of stem cells in your blood, you're deemed to be a good mobilizer. You're probably going to be among your friends, the one at 70 years old that is still running, is healthy, has no issues, is hiking and everything is great. Naturally you have a higher level of repair capability in your body because you naturally release more stem cells. And the spectrum here is vast. If you look between the person like the lower end of your red blood cells, for example, in the higher end, it's a range of about 2x between minimum and maximum stem cells, it's a hundredfold. Wow, it is vast. So you take 100 people in the population, you count the number of stem cells you have, some of them that will be at the very bottom end, others at the very high end. Right now, I can tell you those at the high end are the healthy ones. Those at the lower end are those that experience all kinds of health issues, don't recover fast, don't repair well, and so on. So if we can increase the number of stem cells in circulation, we can help them be more like the healthy people. So. So there is a genetic factor. There's something we don't really know now what determines this, but we have good mobilizers and poor mobilizers, number one. Number two, lipids are super crucial for a stem cell that is up to 20 microns to squeeze in a small capillary that is 12 microns. So these cells must be super flexible. We know that it does not take a whole lot of time when to have lipids in your diet to reach and penetrate your cell membranes. So. So, and the reason why I'm saying this is that if you've got a lot of fried food, saturated fat, oxidized fats in your diet, that ends up into your cell membrane, and it can do a lot of things into your cells, including changing the normal, healthy flexibility of stem cells. Here's a factor that can affect your stem cells. If you don't move a lot, meaning your blood vasculature is not used to pump blood, to dilate, to provide a lot of blood flow to all your muscles. When you do exercise, your heart is pumping, it's putting pressure and it's cleansing the body. It delivers stem cells everywhere. Physical activity. If you don't have physical activity and you have areas of your body that start to have too much stasis, like it's not moving, it's too stagnant, those areas are likely to not have access to a lot of stem cells, maybe not enough stem cells. If somebody has a chronic condition and nothing seems to do anything with it, then that person is still releasing stem cells. Why are they not reaching that area? So exercise, poor blood, vasculature. So, list of all the things that are known to not be good for the cardiovascular system, they're going to not be good for the delivery of your stem cells to various tissues. Last one that shows up more as we age. Inflammation is a signal that should be localized. Where you have an injury right there, the tissue is sending an sos. It's telling stem cells, come here. This is here. You need to come here to repair that tissue. If that tissue does not get repaired for various reasons, then it becomes chronic. The fact the chronic nature of that injury or that thing in your body that is not repairing makes that area starts to release constant those inflammatory compounds. And it's a little bit like you having a fire in your house. And after a while you get smoke everywhere. And now with the smoke, you can't find where the fire is, but you know that there's a fire. So you kick in the gear and you start to repair. But there's nothing to repair because you don't know where the fire is. So systemic inflammation fools stem cells, misguides them in their ability to redefine where they need to go. So if you don't move, you have poor microcirculation, your inflammation becomes systemic. You can release stem cells, but they can't, they can't reach the area where they need to go. So these are all elements that are going to reduce the ability of your repair system to do its job as you're aging. Did that answer your question?
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Yeah. So I want to talk about the inflammation part of it because you brought some intrigue to me on that aspect of it. So a couple things. Let's look at C reactive high C reactive protein, for example, and we start to see those elevated. I see that in a lot of people that I, that I coach and that I monitor. Would that be indicative of poor stem cell like production or fluctuation throughout the body? Would that have something to do with it?
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Not poor production of stem cells. It means that your overall blood environment is no longer optimal to deliver these stem cells exactly at the, at the area where they're needed. That's really, that's really all it means. And it's not C reactive protein is more a marker in that, in that situation, I'm talking about all inflammatory cytokines, the one that are going to tell a stem cell. Think of a stem cell as a little bit like you're. Okay, let me take this analogy. I'm making like super simple here. Hopefully not too simple. Like your fireman that has his hacks his water tank in the back and he's going around and the moment that he sees smoke, he takes the water tank, shoots it, breaks the whatever, he does its job and he puts off the fire. So now that fireman gets into a house, sees the smoke everywhere, takes the water tank, starts to spray water, but the fire is not there. All you've got there is the smoke. So when he ends up at the place where there's the fire, the tank is empty. So in A way the stem cell, when it gets stimulated in its migration capacity, it has spent a lot of the adhesion molecules, the tools that it needs to go from the blood, migrate through the capillary into the tissue. All that machinery is spent outside of the area where that stem cell can migrate. So they're there in the blood and they lose their full ability to do their job if they are in an area with systemic inflammation. We've seen this in cases. We did a preliminary trial with Alzheimer's patients years ago and we were seeing that some of the most advanced cases, to our surprise, had many stem cells in circulation, but those stem cells had lost the receptor to listen to the tissue calling for repair. So the stem cells are called from the bone marrow, they're put into the circulation, but they can't find where they need to go. And then those patients at a super high level of systemic inflammation. It's these observations that have put me on the track of really understanding how systemic inflammation is really a burden for stem cells in their role of finding where they need to go in the body.
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I understand, totally understand. So essentially they're basically lost. They've lost their way and can't find where they're supposed to go to heal the proper injury. So I got. So when it comes to like tendinitis and, you know, arthritis and things of that nature, how do stem cells have any sort of, you know, relation to that? And I can tell you just through my own personal experience here, and once we get into the stem regen product itself, I'm just going to say that as I've used it now consistently for several months, I've had this nagging. And granted I beat myself up really bad with how I lift and throw things around. And I'm 43 years old, I've had this terrible, like when I lift heavy, I get this nagging in my elbow and I mean it's prevalent and that has just continuously. And I'm going to talk more about other aspects of how it's helped me, but that has. I've had no relief for like two or three years. And I refuse to take like ibuprofen and things. I'm done. I'm not touching those things. And I've just been dealing with it and I have had no relief. I haven't switched much of anything aside from taking this. And I've noticed now the past, I'd say about. Look, I've been on it since October. So what are we? November? 3 months? 3 and a half months. I've noticed Just a continuous decline in that pain. And it's not just there. And we'll get into that later. But what is the correlation there? Is there any correlation at all?
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Totally. Whenever you have pain, and we need to, like, I mean, it's not difficult to understand. We just need to develop that groove in our brain to really go there with the thinking process. Pain is a signal. It's a signal telling you stop moving that area to not make it worse. And then the inflammation are signals to attract stem cells, increase the ability of stem cells to flow in that area. So you increase the blood flow. There's more liquid, they can circulate better, they're attracted to that area. But when they arrive there, stem cells, the first thing that they will do is shut down this inflammation. Because think of any injury that you've had. Let's say you cut yourself, okay? On the day that you cut yourself, this is painful. I mean, you touch it. Anytime you touch your finger or you just slice your finger, it's really painful. Give it a day or two, the cut is still there, but it has lost its sensitivity, okay? And then as it really starts to heal, the pain is gone. And my point here is that repair cannot take place at the same time as inflammation. You cannot have both together. So the stem cells will shut down the inflammation and then the tissue can properly repair. So as long as you've got the inflammation, it's because you did not have the repair. So one of the reason why you have that situation for the past few years is that the stem cells are declining. The rate at which you, I wouldn't say abuse, but the rate at which you. You apply insult to that area of your body is not. Is too much for the number of stem cells that you have in your body to go in repair. So as you keep training, you overpower this ability to repair, and it has become a chronic situation. That chronic situation make that inflammation becomes sustained. And now with that inflammation sustained to an extent, stem cells have more difficulty now finding that area and reaching it. So now it started to be in a cycle. So I'm thinking a good thing to do is stop this area for a while, to really allow this area to reduce the amount of inflammation that it's releasing, put more stem cells in circulation. So now the stem cells can really see where to go. And these stem cells will go in repair. And then when you go back to train, you will see that you have now repaired cut that cycle. I'm not saying no pain will come because age is a reality. There could Be like, like remaining damage to the tissue. But I would say give it a little bit of rest for a while. I would not be surprised. It completely disappears. We have seen that in a lot of people. So I would say to summarize this, give a chance to the area to kind of rest for a little while so that the stem cells can fully repair, so that you don't keep adding insult to a tissue that has not fully repaired. Allow the stem. Put more stem cells in circulation will fully repair. And then when that is done, the pain and the inflammation will have gone. It will have no reason to be beautiful.
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So I've been in several classes that I'm taking right now and a lot of study on just cellular repair and really more, more on mitochondrial function and repair. Do stem cells play any sort of role in CLE fixing mitochondria? Is there any correlation there at all? Because I've never asked you this, I've never looked into this. And I'm just curious because it's on my things of that I'm really digging into right now.
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It's the other way around. What I mean is that it's a little bit like, let's go back to the immune system. If you've got an infection and you do whatever, you stimulate mitochondrial function and it helps get rid of your infection. The only logical thing is that you've stimulated mitochondrial function in immune cells and your immune cells were more effective because it's only immune cells that are going to kill the bacteria in your body. They are your immune system. So we need to think about this in the same way. Only stem cells in your body will do the repair. There's nothing else in your body that does repair. It's your stem cells that are in charge of repair. Anything that you do that is going to support repair has to act through stem cells in one way or another. Red lights are going to help repair. Well, red lights are going to stimulate microvasculature in an area and will help pool more stem cells in that area. The time that you have the red lights, it will stimulate mitochondrial function because these stem cells now, once stem cells migrate into your muscle, that stem cell is irrelevant. What is one stem cell among the 10 billion cells in your muscle right now? It's irrelevant. But if that one stem cell becomes a million stem cells, and let's say a million stem cells have migrated in that tissue and they all become 100,000 tissue cells now you've got robust repair. So going from one stem cell to many tissue cells, that process of expansion and amplification requires massive, you know, genesis of mitochondria, mitochondrial biogenesis. So massive. So as you support your mitochondria, you're going to support the amplification of these stem cells and you fully support the repair process. But it's the stem cells that did the process. So you can think of almost like anything that is supporting repair, like mitochondrial function, and it's because it's going to leverage stem cell function.
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Okay, I've got, I've. You've got me. So I have so much research because I like, I, I do a lot of peptide discussions. And so BPC157 and TB500 are literally like the hottest thing in the world. I've been on these for years, but right now especially. And so I'm interested on how the correlation there is on how it functions with stem cell production, since it's. Are you familiar with those two at all?
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I am, and I don't have an answer because, yeah, they're too recent now in science. So I'm not aware of how the two are working together. But if I were to gamble, I would bet on this way more than I would bet on the, on the Super Bowl. I would bet without hesitation. Yeah, it has to be related. It has to be that BPC1,157 or any of those peptides. There's no doubt in my mind time that somewhere they leverage stem cell function.
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Yeah, I didn't mean, I didn't mean to bring that on you, but it just came into my head. It's like, well, this is like everything that I do, and I'm just looking at how it all correlates and relates, and it's just mind blowing to me because I, you know, this is why I have people like you on, so I can learn this and kind of deepen my knowledge base and understand. So that's. That's amazing. Here's another one. So I had, I just interviewed Dr. Gundry last week. And so you can imagine that went to gut health. So that then makes me won. Next question. Being that gut health is such a huge focus right now on, you know, every aspect of health that we see and hear about. Do stem cells have any correlation there with, you know, gut leaky gut, you know, gut health in general? What do they play? How is their role there?
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Okay, it's probably one of the conditions. So we have studies now with the plants that, that I use to stimulate stem cell release. We have one study ongoing on congestive heart failure, one on Parkinson. We're Starting one on COPD emphysema, we're starting one on liver failure and one on colitis. And the reason why we're targeting this condition is just because of what we have seen historically. So the gut is a really good example because organs that have a very rapid turnover rate, like the liver, for example, a fairly rapid turnover rate. If you don't have enough stem cells, but you have a degenerative process that is affecting that tissue, the decline can be fairly quick, but the repair can also be fairly quick. You just suddenly provide more stem cells and the tissue will suck up these stem cells. And that's where colitis comes in. You have a new lining of the intestinal layer just about every five days. So your, your fine, fine intestinal layer is epithelial layer of the mucosal. Intestinal mucosa is one cell thick layer and it's filled with stem cells. These stem cells are going to constantly replenish and renew the lining of the intestine. So if you've got an insult in one area of that, that of that on the intestine, where you have a, an inflammatory process that is going to overcome or overwhelm, I should say, the speed and efficiency at which the intestine can renew itself, then there's a place where the tissue is degraded. And now you have an acute phase. You bleed, you have pain, you have everything that is associated with colitis or poor gut. I'm not talking about flora here. I'm talking about the lining of the gut. If you put more stem cells in circulation, stem cells in circulation can replenish tissue stem cells, and now the tissue, stem cells will renew the tissue. So there's a lot of studies that are underway showing how stem cell injection or putting more stem cells in circulation can very significantly boost the ability of the intestine to renew itself. I'm not saying that we have resolved the problem because the problem, you know, whatever is the cause of that problem has not changed. You've just boosted the ability of the intestine to repair itself. So you've removed the symptoms of it. You've increased the quality of life of the person. So you need now to dig in and really find what's the cause of the issue. But stem cells can definitely have a huge impact on the health of the digestive system. Now, this is not the flora. If you look at it the other way around, what would be the impact of the flora on stem cell function? To my knowledge, not a lot of things have been done on this, but there's no, I mean I have zero doubt that there would be an impact just because of the impact of the flora on the immune system. After all, stem cells are. Lymphocytes are in the broad family of lymphocytes. So I would, I have no doubt that there would be an effect. It's just as it has not been studied to my knowledge.
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Okay. All right, so I, I want to get into stem regen but I have one more question before we go that direction that just kind of me let thought came to my mind because I, you know what with what I do, I spend a lot of nights here just constantly reading. I'm up way later than my wife and, and I'm just knee deep and because I'm all over the place in what I study. So I guess my question to you is because you're so advanced on what you do and I'm sure you have to keep up on things constantly. Are there constant studies going on with stem cells and how, just how like knee deep are you in constant research and like looking into different, different aspects and methodologies and do you conduct any of these yourself or how does that kind of work for your life?
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Well, for me it goes in phases. So. So what I mean is that when there's a lot of traveling, a lot of event, a lot of different things linked to the business world, then this is not the time that I can read. So oftentimes I will go through a round of search on PubMed kind of looking as to what is new. I load this on my iPad I and playing time is the time that I have basically to read. That's when I read. So and it depends of where I am if you want business wise. I'm working on a second book that is going to really document really the link like right, going to the core of how stem cells not only are the repair system of the body, but the renewal system of the body, meaning we lose cells every day and stem cells are responsible to offset or replace the cells that are being lost. But because the number of cells declines as we age, tissues cannot fully renew themselves and that is the fundamental cause of the development of age related diseases. So there's no doubt, but that has not been formulated, described in the scientific literature the way that I think it should be. So I'm working on this book. So right now I'm going back into another phase to go back and say okay, over the past five years, what else has been done in that field to document this phenomenon? So, so I go through, I go through phases but yeah, we have to stay updated, you know, up to date with all the scientific literature, no question. But let me add one other thing to this. The field of stem cell research. Just go on PubMed and do STEM cells and see how many stem cells are out there. I have not done this for a while, period.
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Yeah, I'm very curious.
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So stem cells. Let me. Okay, there you go. Stem cells. There's. Oh, this is this year. So 74, 75,000 articles just this year. But I. This year. But I, I remembered when we looked, I looked at this some time ago, probably like five years ago. I mean, it's like close to like a hundred thousand plus studies that have been published so far on stem cells. It's one of the most prolific field of medicine and it's extremely compartmentalized. So you get people who are in stem cell injection, umbilical cord stem cell injection, fat stem cells. Like, everything is like so funneled through various verticals that it's very easy. So my expertise is releasing your own stem cells.
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Yeah.
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So my, my area is more what is the natural role of stem cells in the body? How can we boost the natural role of stem cells in the body? What can diminish the role of your stem cells? What can you do about it? So I stay, I stay up to date with injections, but it's not really my world.
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Got it.
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So these are the areas where I go very deep, like better understanding how the body works naturally.
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So just let's say it's 20, 25. So I don't know, think back maybe 10 years. How, how much change have you seen or expansion in the amount of studies that are being done? Like, how has the popularity or focus risen on stem cell insight and research? Has it drastically changed or has it been pretty consistent?
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I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a. I don't know if I would say linear evolution, but let me share with you one story. So we are in 2007, 2008, and we're at an event, I think it was a, it was a, like a, a conference of, on diabetes. So a bunch of doctors were there. And, and at some point I come across a doctor and he says, are you the guy with this product, like with stem cells? And you know, I said, yeah, yeah. He says, well, this is bull crap. You know, stem cells not do this and that. And at some point you talk about the brain. And I say, sure, stem cells can become the brain. And at the time I was working on my first Book cracking stem cell code. And. And so I was traveling with a lot of the literature printed. So. And so I said, well, if you want, I can go to my room and I have all that literature. I can. I can bring and show you the paper. Papers. And he says, don't bother, son. Let me tell you something, because it looks like nobody has told it to you. He says, you're just an idiot. And. And it was funny because. Because it made me laugh. It did not. Yeah, of course, because it was a snapshot of many things in our society. It was. He was an older person, so it wasn't a snapshot in time. It was a snapshot of a reality that is still common today. If you go to med school and there's something that you're not told in med school, which is the apex. I mean, if they don't tell you in med school, then that means it's just like Internet, Google crap. You know, it's not real. It's real. Then they will tell you in med school. So because they're not told in med school, then it's. Then it's nonsense. And then the fact that stem cells were known historically to only be precursors to blood cells. So until you really look into it, that statement goes against, like, a strong dogma of what is being taught in college. So they're taught stem cells can only become blood cells. And now this young idiot is telling you that, no, they can become other things in your body. And not only they can become other things, but of all things, the brain, which not what is not known to repair. So they can become brain cells. And not only they can become brain cells, but you can actually really improve cases of Parkinson s. I mean, you just go through so many of the dogmas. So. So that, let's say 15 years ago was like a wall, Literally like a wall. And then there was a slow opening, gradual. And I have seen a. A huge opening in 2023. And I don't know why is it, Covid, where people now kind of understand that they are responsible for their health? Like the system is not really there for them to an extent. Is it the book by Tony Robin, Lifeforce, I think that has really talked about stem cells and heard for the first time from somebody that a lot of people, you know, find credible basically talking about the positive sides of stem cells? Because before that, from a political standpoint, stem cells were baby parts for a lot of people. They were baby parts. They've never been baby parts. This was politics. So now, like, something has changed and in 2023, the message that I have three millionaire miles just talking worldwide about this topic for, what, 24 years? And for 21 year of these years, the response was just like, I'm not saying I'm talking. It's like a wall. But I mean, it's really an uphill battle. And in 2023, suddenly the public is really receiving that information very differently. So I go now and I speak with a room full of doctor and at the end, half the room wants to start to try. The product wants to put this. This old knowledge to the it. They accept it. So something has changed. So right now, the environment is very, very different from what it was, you know, years past.
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Well, and I can attest to that because there's such a lack of trust now and a deeper understanding of all of the things that have kind of gotten exposed. And so people are going to more like, you know, people like yourself, people like my podcast, where I get people like you want. And they're listening to this far more and understanding and seeing the realities of what. What actually is going on and looking at the prevention aspect instead of the treatment aspect and all of this. I don't want to go off on a tangent, but all of this corruption is getting more exposed, exposed, exposed. And we're seeing the science now, the real science, not the BS when they say, oh, trust the science, when they're actually not even talking science, they're trying to tell us what the science is and not study it. And we've got so many deep thinkers now that are actually having a platform and the ability to speak, speak. And so that's why it's so important we do things like this so we can educate. And so that's. That's why I do. What I do is, you know, try to be as versatile as I can be and show all of these different avenues. And then, you know, then you have a platform, too, to speak. And that's why these conventions are so amazing and all these things we do. So, yeah, that's. That's the goal is to just keep showing and educating and teaching, and then, you know, people will listen. They. They're definitely more apt to listen now than ever. And, And. And you can see that, Christian, with all the diseases and the problems and the things that go on, people are tired of it, and they know. They just know it's not normal to be that unhealthy. And especially with all of the advancements we have, I mean, you know, we. How many of these biohacking conventions are we At. And we see all of these new technologies and these ideas and these things, and, you know, some of them are BS and some are not, but there's. There's ideas, you know, and so it's important.
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Yeah. In the middle of all of this, I think stem cells is definitely, if not the greatest, definitely one of the greatest discoveries in our. In the. In the history of medicine. I put it online with, like, the discovery of antibiotics that have completely changed, you know, I mean, half the of the death that we have 100 years ago was people dying of tuberculosis, cholera, you know, pneumonia, all kinds of things that can be taken care of very quickly with antibiotics.
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Right.
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It has changed the course of history. And I think stem cells are the same. One of the reason why it's making all of these discovery, the establishment of everything, the knowledge of stem cells and this. To really penetrate this society as antibiotics did, it's just because of its very nature. Antibiotics were embraced. They came from pharma, it was embraced. Everybody knew about it. It was used everywhere. Stem cells is different. And I don't want to go too deep into this, but it's super important for people to understand. If you look at medicine today and what is done normally, think of any disease, heart disease, diabetes, Parkinson's, like the top 10. Talk about. Think about the top 10. The treatment for these top 10 are never a cure. It's always a drug that you take every day for the rest of your life. And we increase your quality of life. We make you live 10 years longer than the one who doesn't take the drug. You should be happy. And that's really what it is. It is an amazing business model. I have something that I'm the only one who can sell it to you, and you need it every day for the rest of your life. And it's paid by the government or the insurance. I mean, it's an unbelievable business model.
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Yeah.
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In this business model comes the mega disruptor of all disruptors. Something that can cure you. I can repair. Not I. Stem cells can repair this pancreas, can repair that heart, can repair the lung, can repair the brain, can repair the part of your body that right now you're just compensating for with drugs. It changes everything. It is such a massive disruptor that the system is like saying no to it.
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Yep.
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And when I say the system, I mean the countries where the grip of that medical system is strong enough. So you go to the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, all of these, and that's it. It's regulated up the wazoo and like, there's very little that you can do. But you go into countries where they don't. People don't have the money to treat themselves with in that same way. So in these countries, oftentimes you find doctors that will say, whatever works for my patients, I'm going to do it. And in these countries, those kinds of regulations have allowed the full application of stem cell therapy. And that is why you can go in these countries and have full access of what is really the regenerative power of stem cells. It's something right now that the world is kind of really trying to resist against. They won't be able to resist. It will develop. I don't know how, I don't know how it's all going to happen. I cannot predict the next 10 years. All I can say is that stem cells are curative, it repairs it, get rid of problem, and it's going to open the door to a complete new medicine that if we simply embraced it, it would go so much faster.
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Yes, but that's the world we live in, right? When you said disruptor, I immediately, because I wrote a paper on this in the year 2001. I mean, I barely had Internet access to even write this paper. But I was talking about suppressive therapy and the desire to keep people on suppressive therapy and how much money they would make as opposed to just curing it. Because curing it does not solve the money issue while suppressive therapy does. I feel, and I've always believed, and I'm spiritual as can be, that God put something here to cure everything. And that's my belief and I'll take that to the grave. And I know some people may not agree, but I firmly believe that, that fact that there's something here to cure everything no matter what it is. So, you know what you're saying couldn't be more true. Let's, let's talk about stem regen now and kind of shift gears and talk about the product itself, how you kind of developed that product and what exactly does it do in general?
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Well, so go back to where we started. I'm studying this blue green algae from Klamath Lake. Its name is athanisminon+I aqua. So in short, afa. So I'm studying this plant. We discover it act as a stem cell mobilizer. So the first answer response from the medical community, the scientific community is like, if you don't have a mechanism of action, it may not even be true. Maybe just like an artifact. So we had to go and Dive and find the active compound, the mechanism of action. And then after that, it's like, well, maybe you put more stem cells, but it doesn't mean anything. Maybe it's bad for you. So we needed to have a proof of concept where we can show into a nan model of injury that we can boost repair and do studies like with cancer to show that it's not going to boost cancer. We've shown that actually it suppresses cancer. But we had to do all these things and file the patents, all of that. So the first product was launched in 2005. So as soon as that was done, in the back of my mind, we evolved in symbiosis with the environment. It cannot be that there's only one plant having an effect on stem cells, Right? There has to be other plants. Like, there's not only one plant having an effect on the immune system. You don't only have echinacea out there. There are a lot of plants that have an effect on the immune system. There has to be other plants. So how do we find them? So I simply asked the question, just like when I had afa, the. The observation is that it was bringing benefits to many different people touching many different conditions. So the question was, what else is known out there in. On the marketplace, in the overall in the world? It has been associated with a broad variety of health benefits. So the first thing that comes to mind would be like goji berries, medicinal mushroom adaptogens, some medicinal plant, like Foti, for example, in Chinese medicine, that has been associated with longevity. So we went in the lab and we tested a lot of these plants, and then we found that all of them have an effect of some kind of stem cells. By some kind, I mean either release of stem cells. And we've discovered that some of them stimulate the migration of stem cells out of the blood into tissues. Is the image okay, or it's moving?
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No, you're good?
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Yeah. Okay. So all these plants have shown either release or migration of stem cells into tissues. But it's when I had a chance to go back into remote areas of the world. Like, I had a chance to go to Madagascar. They don't have in Madagascar, like goji berries from China, they don't have medicinal mushroom from China, but they have something in Madagascar that they have been using for centuries. What is their go to plant locally? So Madagascar as a. Of like 65 species of aloe ve that they use for, you know, that grows there. Only one of them has been used for century to make a product called Vahona and they use it for all kinds of health issues. So I went to Madagascar. A colleague of mine now is developing all the co op and all the system to harvest that plant right now. Because before there was no real market for this. It was just simply done locally by native Malagasy people for their own market, their own people. So now we harvest it, it, we bring it. But anyway we tested it and so far it's one of the few of the top plants releasing stem cells from the bone marrow. So at some point I came across in China from the Tibetan plateau, seabockthornberry, so seabukthornberry in Tibetan medicine, Mongolian medicine, Chinese medicine has been associated with disease of the lung, the heart, cardiovascular system, pancreas, and to boost like diabetes and to boost the ability of the body to repair from burn to the skin cut bone fracture. So when you look at the benefits, the broad variety of these benefits, my hypothesis is that, well, nobody has ever looked at this because it was not a thing before, but probably the effect is stem cells. So I went on the Tibetan plateau, I found a farm that I could work with and then we developed an extract of seabockton berries. We tested it and we saw a strong response on stem cells. So the product, so stem regen release. The product that I've developed is the top five plants that we have studied over the years that act as stem cell mobilizer, putting more stem cells in circulation. And along the way, as we studied things like medicinal mushroom, we found that medicinal mushroom were actually stimulating goji berry the same stimulating the migration of stem cell cells out of the blood into tissues. So there's very little documentation of that aspect in the scientific literature. But it makes sense that if a stem cell is in your blood and it goes to repair your heart, that means it needs to leave the blood and go into the heart. So even though this is poorly documented, if I have something that boosts that step, then it would be advantageous to leverage it. So I've blended, after discovering what these plants were doing, I've blended those top five plants with the two most potent bioactive that I have studied for migration, which is medicinal mushroom polysaccharides and then colostrum highly fractionated cholesterol. So that's the whole formula, five top plants with the two top migrators that we have found. So so far. So that's Simarian release.
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Okay, excellent. So how long did it take you to actually like formulate all this and find all of these different compounds to put into it? And then test them and trust them and see them working. What was the total, like, duration of all of this?
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The first observation on AFA was 2001. And the formula, as it stands today with stem regen release was done in 2019.
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Wow.
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So that's 18 years of using the original ingredient, then blended with other ingredients and moving with different formulations and test them in clinics. Because with some of these products, you imagine that if I have a product that puts more stem cells in circulation and at the same time stimulates their migration out of the blood into tissues, I can no longer test their efficacy by counting how many stem cells I have in the, in the blood circulation. That's a little bit like saying, I'm looking at the money that you have in your bank account, and I increase the income, but I also increase the expenses. So the money in your bank account may not move. It doesn't mean that no money came in. If a million bucks came in, you spent a million. Your lifestyle is way above what it was before, but you still have the same amount of money in your bank account. So counting the number of stem cells is no longer the metrics to see what the product can do. So I had to move into clinical trials. And that's why right now we're testing stem regen release with congestive heart failure, with Parkinson, and with different conditions, for example, uncongestive heart failure. This is an ongoing study, but right now, the data that we're. That we're going to publish soon is that on 10 patients after six months. So people with chronic stable congestive heart failure after six months have regained normal heart function. 10 out of 10. Really? Which is pretty impressive.
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Yeah.
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So they were, after a number of years with whatever medicine could do for them, and in six months, they have resumed normal heart function for people of their age.
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So is there any correlation then with stem cells and like atherosclerosis, is there any study or any focus on plaque, possible reversal removal, opening, anything of that sort of.
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Yeah. So let me, let me lay out the science. There's even an article published, gee, I think like almost 15 years ago. The title is atherosclerosis result is the result of a decline in endogenous repair. This, this is one of those that have been the most documented and, and we can look at it from various levels. Like, first, let's do like the studies. You take an animal, you treat this animal in various ways to stimulate atherosclerosis. They've done the same thing in a mouse model that will naturally develop atherosclerosis. And if you take few animals and you simply trigger the release of their own stem cells, you will not see the development of atherosclerosis. So these studies have been done and have been published. If we look at the development of it, I think the mechanism of action is that atherosclerosis starts with a microlesion in your arteries. If it does not repair, then it gets infiltrated by immune cells, who then become foam cells or like dysregulated cells because of certain fat ingestion. Then they start in this dysregulation, they start to trigger inflammation, calcification, and then the whole process builds up into atherosclerosis. But if you have enough stem cells to repair the microlesions at day one, then none of that process follows. So I think that the link here and there is like you take atherosclerosis, you take, for example, one sign, one tool to do. What is the word here? Like, not a survey, but like a precursor sign of the development of atherosclerosis is a thickening of the basal membrane, if you want, of your arteries, the intima media layer. A precursor sign to atherosclerosis is the thickness of the wall of the arteries. So you can look right now that if some the difference between somebody that is below the thickness, like which is healthy, or above the thickness, that is basically telling you you are now developing atherosclerosis. And you can see that there's a difference in the number of stem cells in these individuals. Meaning that you having low level of stem cells is already a sign that you're in line to develop atherosclerosis.
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Got it.
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And if you look at all the associated problems associated to atherosclerosis, like there's a much higher incidence of erectile dysfunction, for example, with people with atherosclerosis. So same thing. People with erectile dysfunction have fewer stem cells in circulation. So there's a link here, well documented. If you are a poor mobilizer with fewer stem cells in circulation, you are likely to develop atherosclerosis.
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Got it. Well, and I kind of went over this with you. I've talked to my viewers about it several times that I found out that I had some plaque buildup in my heart and I had a calcium score done, and then I had a CT angio done and luckily caught it early enough to where it was. Wasn't. It's not like it's great, but it's not end of the world either. It's like a 35% blockage which didn't make any sense with my lifestyle and how I live and everything. And then I talked to you about my LP and that being the problem. And I've gone into that, you know, on the show several times. And so when I started to take stem regen, I had gotten my score, oh maybe a month or two before that I had gotten it quite a bit lower with the medications I was using. Now granted, I declined to use the statin and went a completely different route than what I was told because I know better. The statin will actually increase your LP score. Anyway, I started to take PCSK9 inhibitors which did lower my number because they tell you with an LP you test it once and that's all you ever need to test it and you're basically, they try to tell you you're kind of screwed. You know, it's just, it is what it is. Well, I kind of refuse to believe after I talked to enough higher end cardiologists and did my own studies and so my, My score was 3:30 which was the clear indication of where I got the, the plaque. And that's an inherited gene disorder. So no diet is going to fix that. No working out clearly. I mean I can't do any more than I do. So given that and I had lowered my number to a degree. But you know, then taking stem regen, what I brought up to you was is that now, now three and a half, four months later, I have gotten my number from like that just dead end red zone into a yellow zone, being moderately high, which was an impossibility. I'm under 100 now from 3:30. That, that's not supposed to be possible by any metric whatsoever. The drugs aren't out yet for it to, to do that kind of decline. The drugs I'm on are only supposed to be able to go up to 25 decline, which is 94. From 330 is clearly more than 25 decline. I mean that's over 50, right? So I was wondering, and I don't know if you have data because that's kind of an intricate thing with the LP and everything. Is there any data or anything that would lead you to believe that that stem regen or stem cell, you know, enhancement or release would have anything to do with that, you know, and correlate with that score drop? Because that, that is, that is something scientifically not supposed to happen. That's a major, major thing if there is a correlation.
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Well the, the only thing I can say is that the scientific literature is clear on one thing and it's the fact that while you may have high level of lipoprotein A, that itself is not the issue. The issue is that it compounds with the micro lesions, you know, what I talked about before, that then makes the problem much more risky for you, risky to develop up. But if you boost the repair, then the lipoprotein A is no longer an issue in the same way. So I would say your score in terms of the health of your cardiovascular system will definitely improve. And that's tied to the stem cells. So when I get these tests, I got these tests done maybe like what, three, three years ago. And I have, like, I have, I'm 60 in a few weeks and I have the cardiovascular system of like a 30 year old.
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Yeah.
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And I've been taking these products for a long time. And I attribute it to the fact that I have more stem cells, you know, to just repair. I'm not aware of an effect of the stem cells directly on lipoprotein A. I did some research and I could not find anything. However, what I can say is that we have, I chose these ingredients and I put them together for their effect on stem cells. But historically they've been documented for a lot of other things. So for example, the sea buckthorn berry, there's tons of documentation of how the flavanols and the flavonoids of the sea buckthorn berry have been mostly documented for their effect on lipid metabolism and cardiovascular function. So I would have to dig a little bit deeper to see what has been done with the seabocktone berry. But my assumption here is that it's probably what one of the mechanism of action that some of the other polyphenols found in some of the ingredients. So sea buckthorn berry has a lot of polyphenols in the extract that we use. The fucus extract that we use has a lot of polyphenols, fluoroglucinol, and these have been documented to have a strong impact on lipid metabolism. So that could be what has been the mechanism of action. I'll dig into it a little bit more because if no drug can do anything about it, it, it could be something interesting to know.
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Yeah, I mean there, there's some, some stage three. Trust me, I follow every drug that's coming out that can treat this and, but, and there's some, and that are at the final stages, but there's nothing, literally nothing right now. The only thing they have is called what a lipoprotein apheresis where they take out blood every week. It's like they, they won't do it to anybody. It's, it's, it's there but nobody does it take out blood, get rid of it and keep doing it every week. It's, it's not, not, it's not a normal. Yes, it's a weekly thing. Yeah. So it's, it's completely out there and it's, it's, that's like a last ditch effort type of thing. But I'm getting a clearly test done in a few months, I think in July or June when we move to, to Phoenix. And I'm waiting that time so that'll give me a better indication of the plaque, hopefully regression. So I'll have some data for you to see after and that'll have, have had me on stem regen a good amount of time too to see if there was any effect there at all. But I, I have to think that there will be. I. When I was at a 4M, me and my wife went to a booth and they hooked us up to this machine and it was testing and it was giving you the age of your heart based on several factors. So they did my test and the guy was looking like super, super perplexed. And he told me and my wife, he said we're going to retest this because this, I've never seen a score like this. And he didn't really tell me why. And so we waited a few minutes, retested it, same thing. And they took me to the guy that designed the whole thing. Basically the readout said that my heart was like that of a 15 year old. So I mean I was beyond thrilled. And so that's more data that you know that and I'll have to look up the test and give it to you because I don't remember. But yeah, that's what it said. So I was, I've got to think that, that since I've been taking stem regen that that has some sort of impact on the overall cardiovascular health and the way that I feel right now. What about the other products? Because I. So for instance, everybody listening, I take stem regen consistently and I do the little bit of the advanced protocol. But right now what I do is take the release product that you were talking about and then I take a powder that's called Mobilize and then the Signal product. So I take all three. What are Mobilize and Signal and how does that all kind of correlate and why do we need to take all three of those.
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Well, let's go back into what we were talking about earlier. The moment the stem cells have been released and they are in your blood circulation, we know they're amazing regenerative properties. Like keep in mind the fact that they can rebuild an entire heart. So why is it that at times people don't see the full that that kind of benefits in their own lives? So two things can stand in the way. Poor microcirculation and systemic inflammation. So, and that's why these two products were made. It's simply to. You've released stem cells. Now we want to maximize their regenerative properties in the body. So mobilize is basically four different technologies blended together to enhance microcirculation. So we have nattokinase that increases blood fluidity. So entrainment. So your stem cells can be up to 20 micron. A capillary is about 12 microns. So for a stem cell to really squeeze itself into a fine capillary, you need to have good blood entrainment. So you will get that you want water in your, in your blood circulation and not molasses. So that's what it is. It turns the molasses into water so your blood has greater fluidity. You want to have, you want your blood vessel to be able to fully expand. So we have nitric oxide producer. The expansion of capillaries depend on the flexibility of the environment of these capillaries. This is connective tissue collagen. So we want the kind of bioflavonoids that have been documented to boost collagen formation. Rutin, aspiridin, quercetin, goticola, ginkgo. These are all plants or bioflavonoids that have been shown to really support capillary bed and the environment of capillaries. And you want to rebuild the glycocalyx, which is the layer at the surface of capillaries that really allows cells to flow freely. So we have polysaccharides from seaweed helping to rebuild the glycocalyx. So mobilize is those four technologies. Blood fluidity, blood dilation, sorry, capillary dilation, capillary integrity and flexibility, and glycocalyx. So now you've really given access to your stem cells to all the fine microvasculature in your body, which is the only place where they can migrate into a tissue and then do their role of healing. Now the other one is for them to really find where to go. We want to suppress the background noise. So that's the Systemic inflammation. So we have a bunch of plant extracts that have all been documented to suppress one aspect of the whole inflammatory cascade, if you want. So we have plant extract that will suppress COX2.5 LOX, the secretion of all kinds of inflammatory cytokines. We have bromelain, which is an enzyme that can digest existing inflammatory cytokines in the blood. So basically, we suppress all the noise so that stem cells can better see the signal coming from an injured tissue or a tissue needing repair. So you release stem cells, eliminate the noise, allow stem cells to see where they need to go, and give them access to your microcirculation. That's what the whole protocol is about.
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Beautiful. Well, I can, I'm just going to give you a little bit of what I'm still experiencing and kind of how it's just my personal timeline and I'm sure everybody's is going to be different. So, So I do kind of an advanced protocol where I'm doing the powder first thing in the morning and then I do, I'm doing twice a day dosing on the release. I know you could do three times, but I'm doing twice a day on that and then the signal in the morning. And so I didn't notice a ton the first maybe three weeks. Not, not really much. Once I hit about that month mark, that's when I started where it kind of hit me. And mind you, I'm a faster responder to most everything that I take, like, in general. So sometimes when I give people my results, I say, well, temper your expectations because I just respond quickly. But for instance, one of the things that I just, and I hate saying this because as I've got, I, I'm not old, but as I've gotten older, just bending down and I like to get on the floor and play with my cat and do things. I just don't even want to do it, man, because I don't even want to bend down and get up. Like, I, I, I get to the point where even when I get out of bed, I'm just like dreading it because as soon as I take a step out and take a step out of bed, I'm just like, dude, I, this just sucks so bad. Like, I, I literally just don't even want to do it. And it's gotten to the point now where I'm, I don't want to say I'm popping up like when I was in my 20s, but like, I'll get on the ground and I'll jump right back up. I'm not scared to bend down, pick things up or, or do anything. And I don't have any. Aside from being tired in the morning. I don't feel creaky or, you know, bad. I was having a little pain in my fingers, like out of nowhere. And granted I type all day. That's not there anymore. And what I was telling you before, like with my elbow, that has been a. For so long and it is just. I don't want to say it's non existent because that wouldn't be being honest. But I don't feel it when I'm lifting anymore. No pain. It's very, very rare when I feel the pain. And then I would just say like my recovery after workouts, unless I take like a week off from when I'm traveling or I just go, I have those couple days of a little bit of soreness. But my recovery is man, it is. And then I think I've made some diet changes would have, which have helped my just energy and my cognition, I guess, but I'm way more sharp and way more like less testy with things. You know, things aren't bothering me as much and I don't know if that plays any role or not, but I certainly notice it. So I want to point out all of these changes because it's not like I'm doing a bunch of other things or adding things things. I've made some diet changes, certain aspects of my life, but I, I can certainly relate all of this and my expectation to it. And I feel like, knock on wood, my injuries are like healing a lot faster than they were. The nagging stuff, I'm not seeing it as much at all anymore. So that's my experience and I will tell you, I kind of ran this by you with my wife. You know, she's kind of, she's had some irregularities, menstrual irregularities, kind of at that point where you're going through, through pre menopause or perimenopause, you know, that type of thing. And it's been rough. Like there was a real disruption there and as soon as she started taking it, everything's been regular ever since. And right on the dot, like she, she just told me the other day she can't believe how it's been because it stopped for just months. And I don't know how normal it is to get right back on track, but. And, and it's helped her with like, you know, any kind of emotional side effects. Not that she was having them terrible, but. But it's really made a big Impact. So those are just my experiences, me and her together, just so that, you know, and that people listening know, like, it's, it's. I'm a firm believer all the way around.
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Yeah, we've seen a. We've heard a lot of those stories there. We've even had, like, this is a number of years ago, there's somebody wanted to sue us because she said the product gave her hemorrhage. She emorrhaged. And so at some point I said, well, can you share your medical record? You know, hemorrhage will show up in some ways. And the blood work showed there was absolutely nothing abnormal. So when I. When we started to press for more questions, like, tell us what happened, like, what do you call hemorrhage? And at some point she really blurped it out. She said, I didn't have my period for two years and my period came back and I don't like it. She was happy not having your period anymore. But I'm thinking, what a sign of rejuvenation. Yeah, what a sign of rejuvenation. But some people don't like it. But we have seen that quite a bit. So I won't say we've seen a lot of people regaining their period, but a lot of people going through that phase who get much more regularity are much less affected by everything that comes around going through menopause. So we've had a lot of that. And then the other thing that you're describing in terms of repair, this is like, this is like everybody's story is how they recover. They recover faster from an injury, from a surgery, from a workout. Just recovery. It's your stem cell on the mood. There is one interesting chemistry in stem regen release, which is the blend of the AFA extract and the sea buckthorn. So AFA contains one specific molecule. We documented this, I think, in what, 1997. It's called phenylethylamine. So it's pea. So in chemistry, in chemistry, it's known as the molecule of love. When you feel content, let's say today, you have financial problems. Yesterday they were not there, tomorrow they're not there. Today you have them and suddenly you start to do sculpting or painting. And now you forget everything about them. Nothing has changed in your life. The only thing that has changed is your perspective. The moment that you engage in something that you like, and suddenly you no longer think about your problems. The noise is not bothering you, you're not hungry, you're like flowing. Your brain is making PEA So it's a modulator of neurotransmitters for dopamine, norepinephrine and it's associated with it mental clarity, sort of mood elevation. So AFA contains that molecule, but it's quickly degraded in the brain by an enzyme that is inhibited by one of the component that we find in sea bucktone berry. So when you combine both together, you get a nice feeling. It's not caffeine, it's not like energy, but it's a nice feeling of just like you just feel more content.
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Yeah.
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So it's. So not everybody feel it it but, but it's there. So it seems like both you and your wife are feeling it.
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Oh yeah, definitely. Okay, so I have one more question for you that I think a lot of people would wonder and I actually do wonder myself. So let's, let's just look at it from two perspectives here. We've got the stem regen product which is releasing the stem cells. We've got exogenous injections. Now I think, I think we both know that, that the cost of these injections is completely just, I mean you, you got to be loaded to get the, the, the injections. I have a good friend that goes to Mexico to get him and I think he pays 50 or 60 grand per pop to go there to do it. So I don't even, I don't even know what it costs here. I'm going to defer to you on that. So this is a two part question. How I understand that getting an injection is always going to be probably more effective because it's going right in. But, but I'm looking at side effects. Are there any side effects on one side or the other? That, and why would one, aside from the obvious money, look to take the stem regen as opposed to the injection side of things? Just your insight on that and what the difference is and maybe even what is the cost.
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Okay. So I'll try to be as objective as possible. Most studies have been done to look at them side by side.
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Okay.
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So until you look at them side by side, then all we can do is like speculate with the data that exists. The heart study that we're doing, we have three groups. One group is stem regen, one group is adipose stem cell injection. The other group is a combination of both because we have seen so far that when people do stem cell injection, if they couple it with stem regen, they really boost the outcome of that injection. And so far in the study, it is what we see. We See, stem regen, just as effective as stem cell injection. When you combine them together, you see, you get a much better result. So I would say if you can't afford an injection, you'd be foolish to not add stem regen to it. And if you cannot afford one, stem regen is a really good alternative. Now, let's look at numbers. You get an injection like the one that you're describing, like 50,000. These are like, normally, like, really robust injection. Let's say 200 million stem cells.
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Right.
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200 million stem cells after an injection, if it's injected systemically. I'm not talking about injection in joints. That's a different kind of injections in these conditions will be far superior because the ability of stem cells to migrate in a joint is not very high. High. It happens, but it's not very high. But if you're talking about systemic injection, you will have about, about 15% survival. One, five. So of those 200 million stem cells, you get about 30 million.
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That got it.
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Really effective stem cells.
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Okay.
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Now you take two capsules of stem regen. On average, you release about 10 million of your own stem cells. So you do this three days in a row, and you have released 30 million of your own stem cells for about $15.
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Right.
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So somewhere, it's a paradigm shift.
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Sure, sure.
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It's like. And it happened. I don't have a good example that comes to mind, but we have had those things many times. Take your cell phone. Your cell phone right now has more capacity than the computers that put us on the moon. These are like vast paradigm shifts.
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Yeah.
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So we discover stem cells in the early 2000. We believe that those in your bone marrow are not really doing the job. So we go and we find them wherever we can pick them up. Umbilical cord, placenta here and there. And then, and then we develop this whole science. And along the way we discover, oops, the stem cells in your bone marrow actually can do it.
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Right.
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We need to stimulate their release and they'll do the job. So look, you release 10 million stem cells with two capsules. So in our studies, like the heart study, for example, the results that we got in that study, when we compare that with what is in the scientific literature with stem cell injection, is superior to what has been documented with stem cell injection. We didn't do side by side, so I cannot conclude.
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Yeah.
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All I'm saying is that when you compare the results, releasing 10 million stem cells three times a day, every day for six months is giving us basically normalization of Heart function in so far all the patients. So all I can say as a conclusion if we just extrapolate the difference to me is that one massive injection, one time or lesser number of stem cells every day for long periods of time, them right. To me, the opportunity for these stem cells to migrate where they're needed, engraft where they're needed, do their job, ends up over time being superior when you just leverage your own ability to repair.
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Yeah, you're like band aiding a wound with a quick injection and you're getting long term results the other way. To me it would be fairly obvious. I mean granted, everybody's different. Are there side effects either way with injections or with stem regen? Any kind of side effects that any would need to be aware of at all to look for?
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They, they. I want to be also I want to be very clear. I am not. I don't think the risk is very high. Okay. Injection.
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Okay.
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There are some that, that they're there, you know, they exist, they have happened. We just need to know about them versus taking herbal extracts. How did we discover these herbal extracts? We have used. We have looked at plants that have been used for centuries for many kinds of benefits. So if these plants were associated with any kind of side effects, we would not have used them. So. So the plants that we're using have a long history of safety. So. So there's no issue with any of the plants that you have, you know, in stem regen release with stem cell injections. Here are some of the things that can happen. Stem cell injection it is rare, but it happens in some people trigger what is what is called like a cytokine storage storm. It's almost like the inflammatory signal for a moment gets like super amplified and now it starts to really damage, you know, parts of your body. I've heard of this in people get injection in joint, for example, your joints will improve and yet the person was for something like three weeks unable to move. It was way worse for a little while. These things are seen. I do not know the frequency of them. I would assume it's not a lot. Okay. The other thing is that these stem cells are collected. They're not always collected in conditions that make them fully safe. What I mean is that though rare, most of the side effects or a lot of them reported with the FDA has been associated with systemic infection. Like you get an injection of a sample that has been contaminated.
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Okay.
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Now you need to deal with an infection. So that is a reality. If you go to a good clinic, it's probably not a real risk, but it just needs to be known. And that's probably why you need to go to a good clinic. And that's probably why all the mechanism of quality assurance on these stem cells is a part of the cost of why these treatments are expensive. So you want to pay for a good treatment. Treatment. Things that can happen is this was more of a risk, a fear some time ago, which is the fact that when you get stem cells from somebody that you don't know, these are like umbilical cord stem cells I'm referring to here. You get stem cells from an umbilical cord, you don't know who it's coming from. These are screened for various kinds of genetic problems. But when you screen something, you can only screen it for what you know, you cannot screen it for what you don't know. So could there be some sort of genetic material that when you're exposed to it slowly develops in you a problem, a disease or something? So it was a potential issue that had never been really reported if you want, until about what, about a year ago. There's a paper that was published, it was in April 2024. And what did it is that they took a human gene encoding for Alzheimer's, so Alzheimer's plaques in the brain, they inserted that in the genome of a mouse, and then they took a stem cell from that mouse, injected that into a recipient mouse, and that recipient mouse that received the stem cells developed Alzheimer's. It's the first documentation that a gene that codes for a disease can indeed be transferred through stem cell transfusion. Now granted, the reason why I'm saying it's probably not really in humans that much of a risk is that when you do blood transfusion, stem cells are there in that blood.
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Right, right.
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And a lot of those disease are not transferred in that way. So I'm not sure if really the risk is there. But if we just talk about everything that is something that got a little bit of steam if you want in terms of, of a potential risk, if everything is well done, well controlled for any kind of stem cell treatment is generally speaking relatively safe in the medical world that we know. Let's put it this way, safer than most drugs that you will take.
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A
Sure, sure. I would just be more inclined to think that it would always be safer to take the herbal side of things in 90, some 95% of the aspect. But I totally get what you're saying and I appreciate like the, the, the breakdown of it because I'm sure that's, that's Always something people wonder is what are the side effects. So I want to point out, and, and I'm not trying to be a big promoter here, but this is your book here. Cracking the code now or the cracking the stem cell code. Excuse me. Now, I was blessed enough to get this right around when I met you. And I took a lot of time to really enhance my mind and I got a little. I like to try to process everything, but I started reading so much because I got kind of enthralled in it. But that book is amazing. So I want to. Where can people find this book? And then when are you planning on releasing your new book?
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Oh my goodness. Well, the book can be found on our website or just on Amazon. You can find it. The aim of the book in 2010. Now this is the third edition, so we've added two chapters. The story of how these plants were discovered. All of this was added cases, stories that were described. Cases of a man, for example, that I talked about on. On. On hard transplant list within a matter of weeks was. Was normal. So all of that has been added to. To that last version. The name of that book is that while there is tons of literature documenting that stem cells are the repair system of the body, none of this existed in the literature anywhere. Brought together to kind of really list all that. That scientific information and make it like really the obvious. So the aim of the book is that you want to know what's the natural role of stem cells in your body. That's what the book is telling you. And in that if you can put more stem cells in circulation, what are the studies showing? Heart repair, diabetes, brain, lung, like all the repair, wound, bone, fracture, all of this. There's tons of research on it. So that's what the book was really about. The next book is the link between that data, interestingly enough, was not available, at least not to the extent that it is today at the time of the first book, which is the fact that stem cells are the repair system. But scientists have shown and seen and observed that when you don't have an injury, you're still releasing stem cells and in the background they go and replace the cells that are being lost. We experience aging like an old fence in the backyard. Every year it's a little bit more decrepit. That's our experience of aging. Every year we are aging and we feel a little bit older. But in the body, it is not how the body is aging. Each organ in the body is aging much faster. Like you have a new liver every two, three Years, you have a new skin every month, you have a new heart every 25 to 50 years. But so every, every day of your life, you lose cells and they are replaced. So everything is constantly turned on. Turnover means you lose cells. And to keep the health of a tissue, you need to replace these cells that are being lost by stem cells. So this goes really well until Sometime in your 30s, when you have enough stem cells to offset this process of cellular loss. But when the number of stem cells declines and you pass, let's say 40 years old now, you no longer have enough stem cells to offset cellular loss. So if you start to accumulate a cellular deficit in your pancreas, that is called diabetes, if you have cellular loss in your lung, that's called emphysema. So you take any kind of age related disease and it's always the loss of a type of cells that your stem cells can replace. So we develop all those age related diseases because of the decline in the number of stem cells. So I published this view about 10, 10, 12 years ago and I was suggesting that there's a way to see if that is true. Go count the number of stem cells in the bloodstream of people who have developed various kinds of age related disease and compare that with what you find in the bloodstream of healthy people of the same age. And right now, maybe 50 of studies or so have been done. So you take people with atherosclerosis, heart disease, overall cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure, liver failure, kidney failure, erectile dysfunction, lupus, arthritis, stroke, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, copd, emphysema, and the list keeps growing. All these people at 50% or less than the number of stem cells that you find in a healthy person of the same age. Meaning the core fundamental reason why we develop problems is because the number of stem cells is declining our, in our bloodstream as we age. So I want to describe this whole phenomenon to really make people understand that the decline in the number of stem cells is the fundamental reason. There's hormone, there's hormone decline, there's mitochondrial decline. All of this is still real. But fundamentally, if all of this was still right, you still have a decline in stem cells and it will affect your ability to maintain your health as you age. So it's like the most fundamental aspect that will determine how you will age in the decades to come. And I want to do a review of the entire scientific literature to see what is the number, what is the limit? Like if you're below, what's the limit that if you're below that number. You know that right now you are accumulating a deficit. And I think that it's going to be somewhere around one stem cell per microbe l. So if you are less than 1 stem cell per microliter, something like, let's say 6, 6 to 8 million stem cells in your bloodstream today, you are on your path to developing some problems. So let's determine this. So when we have that and we have a means of counting stem cells in the bloodstream. We do. But right now it's difficult to have access to this. It's expensive. So I'm working on a method that will be super cheap and available for anybody to go and see how many stem cells you have in your blood. And now you can put all of this together. You can see how many stem cells I have in my blood. If I'm below a certain level, I know that I'm developing a problem right now. And the, the, the, the, the, the. Not the remedy, but the way to counter this is put more stem cells in circulation every day now. It makes it very easy for people to understand the whole phenomenon. So that's, that's the end of the, of the second book.
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That's. Yeah, I'm. I'm such a data guy. Like, I can't. That is huge to be able to have that kind of data. So I can't wait for book to come out.
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My goodness, the moment that I can sit down and write it. I wrote the first book in about two, three months, but it took two years before to do all the research and everything. So the research is done. The research is done, dissected, analyzed. I'm ready to sit down and write. The problem is that in order for me to sit down and write, I have to block everything else. So everything else in my life needs to. Like when I wrote that book, it's all I did. So I need to be in the same situation. And right now, too many lectures, too much traveling. So I'm hoping that at some point, at the end of spring, let's say, like early in Q3, I'm putting everything aside and I'm diving into, into that book. That's my hope.
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That's amazing, man. You do some amazing things. And just everything that you talked about today, we're so blessed to have somebody like you doing this research, giving us this guid and bringing things to light that we need to really enhance our quality of life and help to ensure we live longer and healthier. So I guess I just want to thank you for all that you do. And for the, the real impact you had on me and opening my eyes to things and helping me take a new trajectory with everything I do and just, it's. There's a lot of gratitude and appreciation and I'm happy to get your word out to as many people as I can.
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B
Thank you so much. Dylan. The pleasure was shared to meet you and then to have a chance to discuss and talk about all of this.
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A
Awesome. Well, tell everybody and I'm going to put all your links in the description, but how can we follow you? What's the best way to follow you and see everything new you got coming out and to learn, you know, about your, your lectures and your teachings. How do we. How do we do that?
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So Stem Regen co. Stemregen Co is the website so you can see all the information, articles, blog, all the science. So everything is pretty much there on the website in a. In a simplified manner. I answer a lot of questions on either TikTok or Instagram. Stem Cell Christian is my handle. And then the book Cracking the Stem Cell Code. Really? I mean, you've read it. If you go through that book, you will understand really the role of stem cells in your body. You'll get it. So that's probably where you can get, you know, most of the.
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The information. Awesome. And anybody listening, if you ever want to ask me, like my experiences or me go into detail, I'm. I'm certainly happy to share it. I want everybody to know about this. I want everybody to have the opportunity to, to understand and see like a firsthand experience. So you can ask me to. I'm no expert by any stretch, but I can certainly tell you what I'm feeling and what I'm experiencing. So, Christian, thank you again, man. It was a pleasure and honor. I hope we can do this again sometime, especially as your new book comes out. We can go through some more things in that. But. But thank you for your time and everything and I hope this was helpful to everybody and you enjoy this. And stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gelli and Christian Japro signing off.