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Episode #45 Featuring Jonathan Otto! The Light Therapy Episode! The POWER of red light therapy, role in healing, covering the science, proven studies, the role of wavelengths, cellular health and balance, effects of blue light on sleep and more!
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Oh, thank you so much, Dylan. I appreciate you, bro. It's really kind of you, truly. And. And the feeling is mutual. And I think you really know that. People that are following your work know how special you are, truly. And. And how fortunate they are. Your insights are profound, and I think this is going to be a really fun conversation.
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I agree. I mean, we've had a million of them, but this is going to be awesome. I know I said I've been talking to you for a while, but to meet you in person, it's definitely even cooler. And the fact that you took the time to fly in here to see me, it was important that you were my first guest live here, and I'm excited, bro. And so I know that you have another flight to get out to, and so I want to take advantage of all this time. So I rattled off a bunch of things that you do. All right. That's a lot.
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And I don't know a lot of people that do that many things. I've. My wife has given me a hard time because I take on so many things and seems like we're very identical.
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Yeah, we do.
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First, let me just kick back and start with your background. Like, kind of. You don't have to go to your whole childhood or anything, but how you grew up, what inspired you to take the route that you've gone. Because you're doing so many different things, but they have a real cause behind it. And I've noticed that with you, that there's a real meaning behind it. A lot of people are money driven or fame driven. You don't come across as any of that.
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Well, firstly, thanks for just seeing that. And hopefully it's at least remotely true. Right. I really want to be somebody that. That leaves an impact and that has an impact. I think that you think about suffering and you think about how much pain that people go through, and it's. You put that up against fame or money and you see somebody say goodbye to their lifelong wife or husband way too early, or you see somebody lose their child to chronic disease or just have their life ruined at an early age, or a child that can't speak because they're autistic, and then you just think, okay, well, look, you know, me having this many cars or this type of car or this type of house, the motivation then becomes so weird, and there's so much meaning and purpose, and I believe that just. That's where the happiness is found. So I started to feel that at a really young age, which I'm just really grateful for, that I was. I was under the age of 10. I think I was 7. My mom had seen me just weeping. I was crying because I'd seen this commercial as World Vision. I ended up becoming an ambassador for them by age 17. And it was children in famine. And so I'd never seen this kind of thing before. Who would you live in a normal suburban Australian home? You're right. And, yeah, there's the Australian accent. And then. Then you see children, they've got different skin color, but they. They look like me still. And then they've got these. They're just skin and bone. And it wrecked me. And I felt like if I didn't do anything about it, that it would. I'd just be, like, walking away from. From some injustice that I felt like I had to do something. My mom was super smart and, like, so instead of, you know, she see me crying, instead of just telling me, like, it's okay, don't worry about it. And the next thing that she did, which was really smart, when I said, we need to sponsor a child, because that's what the voice said. It said, a child doesn't have to live like this. You can save this child. You can help sponsoring a child. So I knew in my mind that I could sponsor a child and I could help this situation. But she said, well, you need to learn how to make money, hence why. And I did. And so we sponsored two children for the next 15 years. It was delivering newspapers. So then I ended up, like, thinking, okay, well, how do I gain skills to make a difference? And so I became an ambassador at age 17. So that's around that time I was awarded Young Citizen of the Year and International Ambassador of the Year by the Australian government because, again, I didn't even apply for those things. They were just things that, like others that were seeing what I was up to. My mission was very clear, is like, okay, let's try to solve these big problems. At the time, it was hiv, aids, and things like that. I think about it a little differently now, but as a bit of a cliffhanger. But, you know, human trafficking, you know, human starvation. But then I. So I got degrees with those backgrounds for journalism. And so that. That was the reason. And so then it was to uncover these issues, and that. That was this mysterious linchpin together with, okay, what if I went deep into the medical arena because my health was wrecked and I had a lot of chronic conditions. I had, you know, Lyme disease. Cytomegalovirus Epstein Baros fever. Glandular fever. Chronic boils. Chronic like Lyme disease. Chronic nausea. Yeah. Chronic fatigue. Student. That was the worst. That, that was the worst because you just got no energy to do anything and just feel sad all the time because your body has no energy. But I struggled a lot. So I, that's where I kind of started to gain all these clues. And then like you look back and so I got a couple degrees and they, they, they pushed me more into that journalism side of things. And, and, but then I ended up in as a producer for the documentary series called the Truth About Cancer. And so I'd been doing a lot of my own health research. Do you know the name Barbara o'? Neill? I. She's one. Some of the audience are going to know who she is, but she was the famous Australian naturopath that was kind of exiled from the country and she's one of the most sought after naturopaths in the world. But she was my men, she was a naturopath to me when I was in Australia. So I started to get all these really big clues into very niche fringe information that were very helpful. And then I went into about close to 12 years ago into this documentary, the Truth about Cancer producing for them and traveling around the world and understanding with, you know, from hundreds of doctors what was going on and then come full circle. Like I actually just came back from Tijuana, but I've been like, whether it's places like the Hope for Cancer center or other clinics, like well known clinics around the world now asked me to come and consult with their doctors, teach them various things that I've discovered to help them in their treatment of their patients based on results that we're finding. Hence why, you know, our conversation in the unique condition that you were battling with and why I believe that, that arguably, you know, it's going to be, and you be able to voice this as time goes on that it's so effective and it's going to work completely and. But we'll see, right? And, but I've seen that so many times, but that's the reason why I get sought after in that way. So.
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Yeah, that's amazing, man. I remember those commercials when I was a kid and it's kind of like you don't want to see you, you, you, you can't make that reality out because it's like, whoa, it's scary and it freaks you out. I, I still remember too seeing that and feeling a certain way and I think That's a testament just to kind of like the interpersonal and what you have. And I like the things that you said and. But it's funny because. Well, it's not funny, but it's. It's common that every single person that I talk to, including myself, that is really into the health field, it tends to be because we had our. Our issues that we had, that we had to deal with, or somebody we loved had the issues. And that's what kind of inspires not saying everybody, but most people that are super passionate that do a lot. It seems like it's like something triggered it and caused it within.
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You know, and so it makes you want to find the. The problem and help others, you know, to prevent them from doing it. It's not just about yourself, it's about other people. And I think that's kind of where what you're doing now comes in, is you're all about others. I've noticed that every conversation we have, you're talking about helping somebody and then you're trying to get involved in it, because I want to be involved in it. And then we're thinking about how we can help people together. And that was the point of doing this with you and making it a live show, because it'll be more impactful. I know your background, but I want to talk about the red light, because we got a lot to get into about it. Red lights are a dime a dozen. They are. You know it and I know it. There's a lot of companies that are doing some really tricky marketing. I'm not going to name names, big names that I think don't have the right intentions or don't have the right technology, don't have the right understanding. First, I want to just focus on the brand. What does it represent? What is different about your brand? And then we'll talk about the science behind it. But I want to talk specifically about the brand and what makes it stand out, what makes it different.
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Wow, that's beautiful, man. Well, Red life is so cool to get asked a question like that. Yeah, you're good, man. Red life is, is. Is about transformation. Right? But everyone would say something so basic like that. But it. That you think about if, if it was just to kind of run with. With something that may be popular but doesn't necessarily work. So it just gets kind of. That's how it's developed, and it doesn't have any of these things in mind. But, but what if. What if it was to take all the studies that exist and that Find in all the clinical, clinically proven wavelengths that are, that are the most effective for all different conditions. And then to, you know, put all that in one device. And then the whole point in doing these types of things are stacking the highest irradiance, using the right chips so that you have the right amount of power delivered in the cells and having a dual component. So obviously this is tech technical. The whole point is, because I want this to work so well with somebody. And then, and then, and then this whole thing of how like health is often only accessible to the ultra wealthy, there's something so wrong about that. And there are times when you see somebody like Steve Jobs who had every resource at his fingertips, one of the world's wealthiest men, but it's still, he still couldn't get the treatments that he needed. And sometimes, you know, sometimes the answers are simple. And I think it's just awesome when all people can access health. So Red Life also stands for that. And that's the reason why we would make something that we could have charged 10 times the price for available, you know, whatever that difference is. But like you, you were looking at how you can make sure that people can get their hands on that versus to do that in a way that made it inaccessible to the people that needed it the most. That's what it stands for.
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I love that. And I, I always ask and care about what brand representation is and I care about the person, how they answer that question and how they look when they're answering it, how generic or fluff it may sound or how passionate behind it is. If you don't have that type of reason to resonate with people and explain it, I cannot take you serious that you actually care or that there's a purpose behind it. So I, I already know that there was with you, but I wanted the people watching to see so that they could understand where you were coming from. So when we're talking about red light in general, I think first it's kind of fallen into the biohacking. Do you feel like this is some sort of biohack or this is just some sort of should be known science that people practice and use and look, you and I both know I would put this under something you would learn from a naturopathic doctor. Right. You're not going to go to a doctor generally a GP or anybody in that kind of realm that's going to go, oh, go get on a red light.
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You know, you've got a skin condition or you've got cancer. And I don't want to get into claims, we'll talk about things you've noticed. You got psoriasis, whatever. Because these are things that we've seen people with, you know, with red light and. And it help with. And we'll talk about that later. Yeah, but what made you stumble upon red light? Because you're doing all these other things. You're doing investigative work, you're doing docu series as you're investing into companies. You're doing X, Y and Z. How'd you find red light?
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, I remember doing a lot of research on the. The clinics were getting the best success, and so they were certainly ahead. But. But they were late to the party. We were all late to the party. In the sense that you look at when the Nobel Prize was won, it was in 1903 for light therapy reversing disease. Niels Ryberg Finson, he won the Nobel Prize in 1903 for light therapy reversing lupus vulgaris. So really, how cool is that?
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I did not know that.
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Yeah. So it was so prolific. And then somebody that some people know in their health movement in early, like 1900s was John Harvey Kellogg. Mixed character. Kellogg's Cornflakes. That was his brother, which is not a health food company anymore. It kind of was, but he then advanced that work of Vincent. And they would make these. They were called sanitariums. They would use these light therapy devices in there, in. In this. In their centers. They would use. They'd use like halogen or incandescent bulbs. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, Incandescent bulbs. And they would. They would use this. And then they would get them to eat the plants that would help activate the light. Knew this like back then. Right. So. But the thing that switched me onto it was reading all the studies, stumbling upon some of that. It was going into some of these clinics back, you know, a good 15 years ago and then. And more so 11, 12 years ago. And then seeing all these cancer studies and seeing the individuals that were. Were having great success and putting cancer in remission and seeing that this was something in common, this photo, biomodulation. And then I could see that these clinics also were trying to find ways to get the most advanced technology. And some of them had kind of given up on it in a way because they couldn't get the amount of power delivered even though they knew it was going to be good, but they just couldn't get the power delivery and so wanted to be a part of that.
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That's amazing. I love that, man. So, okay, you find the red light. Then you decide, okay, I'm going to start my own company. Correct. How difficult was that to do? Because I'm assuming that you have a lot of science behind the, the starting of that company that you need to look into. How am I going to develop the proper red light? How is it going to stand out better? How difficult of a process is to actually do?
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Yeah, well, do it right. Yeah, it look, it is, man. And you definitely, you know, advises having the right people being able to soundboard your ideas or having good researchers having your team be able to just like bury themselves in studies and present that to you. So you've got a team, you know, having. I've got about 50 people in the company and so we've just been able to then just t tackle different areas and we've been most well known for the research. So all the documentaries that have been releasing and that's where if people look on our, on our Facebook or like on the ads we're running, you'll see hundreds of millions of views against the films, which is really cool. And some videos will have like 800,000 likes underneath them and things like that. So it shows that people are responding, they're enjoying that. But we got most known for the research that we'd be releasing and publishing. So that helped the most.
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Because then we're naturally looking at a lot of information and data and we had, I had good team around me to be able to give me information that they were finding to help understand that and then would work directly and with manufacturers to, to program our devices with the wavelengths that we were finding in the studies. And, and then, and then do that run and then, and then try again and try again until we could get something that really worked the best.
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So do you guys do your own, conduct your own studies? I'm sure you extrapolate from other studies too that you look at and see. But you do, you do your own.
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Well, yes, case studies. Yes, but not like peer reviewed, not, not double blinded studies. Right. And like, and what you'll find. Here's what's interesting. If you look up the studies on the red light devices that they're never specific to the device, which is good because it's, it's designed to not have a conflict of interest. Yeah. And, and so then the companies that we conduct case study based studies, the ones that are, and they then give us great data so we have that real time data. And I so cite all the different amazing case studies that we've uncovered that we've Seen directly, which are profound down the other side of, of that is, is something that it would be great to do, I think. But there's a reason why like the. Yeah, you're talking about sometimes like tens of millions of dollars. Yeah. And, but we, but we, the cool thing is that we have all that data because of like we have because of the amount of people we're reaching and all that data that comes back to us that's so helpful. It's bigger than what you could ever do in confined settings.
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You know, and I don't want to talk about things that I do, but I, I will get this constantly, this battle with supplements and things and things that I say, I observe and I tell people when I'm dealing with thousands and thousands of people and I'm seeing it firsthand, I'm going to take that over data that somebody can go put out. That's BS and you know, fix however they want question because I'm sure people watching are curious, what's the difference between a double blind study and a case study? What is the difference there so people understand.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. One would be, I will give you an example. It's Lancet Oncology published A study shows 413 participants on prostate cancer with red light therapy. It was called vascular targeted photobiomodulation or photodynamic therapy and things. So lots of words here, sorry guys. And so they put two different groups and one take the red light and conventional treatment, the other group take the conventional treatment without the red light. Okay. And the reason why that we would use the word blinded would be that now in this case it was a red light device. I now have to give you a fake light. And so in this case the outcome was that 13.5% of the people in the control group, the fake light Group got 13.5% got into remission in the two year period in the group that took the red light therapy, 49% went into remission. Wow. It's pretty cool.
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That's staggering.
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400% increase. Four times the great greater likelihood of becoming cancer free.
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Wow, that's amazing. And so case study then is just like what you observe, they're reporting things to you or what you see or hear. I mean there's no build structure. It's just differentiation from person to person.
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Exactly. Which could be very accurately detailed. So those reports then are scientific as well. And they, but they stand in that fashion. And so that, that data is then very helpful. And, and then it also can be very statistically relevant in that it can be observed in similar scenarios over prolonged periods of time, et cetera. But, but yeah, and then it also gives you that, okay, this has been done, is achieved. And it also gives insight to go into doing these other studies. But again, there are studies that don't exist yet and that people need to make themselves the study. Like, if I could tell you, like, I'll give you an example. Red light therapy for thyroid disease is amazing. There's a chronic autoimmune thyroiditis clinical study and there was 15 participants of that. The group that took the light therapy were actually just not sure if this one was double blind or not. But I do know this fact about it, that they, they had 10 sessions over five weeks. 47% of them at a nine month follow up didn't need levothyroxine synthroid anymore at all. If I was producing it naturally, the LT4. And then everyone had a reduced rate of intake and that was only five weeks. And they were off it now for almost an entire eight months. It's wild, man now. So then that's with chronic autoimmune thyroiditis, which most of these are going to be hypo underactive thyroid. But now if you look into research, Google and you say, what about Graves disease? And they'll say, oh, we don't really have any data on this, but I could tell you data that I've seen. I could tell you, Shannon, I'll give you names of people I've witnessed using our products. Where she and her friend Elizabeth are thinking, like, what do we do? She's, she's bedridden because of Graves disease and she was formerly an athlete and then now she can't hardly walk and her markers are super bad. And her doctors say give up any dream of ever competing again in a marathon.
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And then a friend Elizabeth says, you know what Jonathan would say? You know, he would just say to get in front of that red light and just get your body in front of it, get your thyroid in front of it. And this was over all her organs, so brain to groin area. And then naturally a thyroid is against it and like just do it every day. Let's do it for half an hour an oh, let's get close to it. And, and she, they're probably about three inches away. That's typically what I'm saying. So in two and a half weeks, she goes and competes in the Boston Marathon. Really True story. Wow. What's Graves disease for people that hyperactive thyroid. So the thyroid is overactive. And so then some of the Symptoms will be bulging eyes and then weight loss instead of weight gain.
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Okay.
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Yeah. And the thyroid is just very sensitive. And so it's going to get messed up and then not be able to produce the hormones properly. And then any imbalance will go one way or the other. And then the people with hypo just like. Doesn't matter what they do. They can't lose weight. The people with hypo, they just, they keep. They're losing too much weight and, and then every other problem associated with it. But I've even heard from doctors that they whenever regeneralization, but they see schizophrenic patients. But if they fix their thyroid that they, they turn that around. Yeah, dude. It's pretty real. Yeah.
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Thyroid issue. That's a whole nother topic. But that they're. They're very problematic. I. I've took a deeper dive into that too. And to know that that's helpful by a red light is amazing. Amongst the other things, we got a little bit of background on a little bit of why you found it. A little bit of science there. Let's talk about some of the bad actors and get that out of the way. I don't want to dig too deep into that. I don't want to bring up names of any kind whatsoever. But I do want to talk about what things people need to look for to keep themselves safe and protected from buying. A. I'll watch my language. A BS red light. What, What. What are some things to look for Marketing wise and then maybe structurally wise. That would be a clear indicator of. Okay, I should stay away from this. Because I mean, you believe in yours. I know I believe in yours. But you also don't want to act like it's the only good one outcomes. But there's far more bad ones than good ones. Just like with supplements. Just like with a lot of things. Protect people.
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Yes. That's awesome, man. I think that. And, and I love what you're saying. Like I want there to be lots of great companies. Yeah. Right. Because you can't. No. Serve the whole world. So they don't. And if they really care about putting an end to disease in the world, then they should celebrate other companies and we should all compete with each other in a good way to make our products better and more competitive in their pricing and all kinds of things. All really good. And so there, there are good companies and there are bad companies and then maybe they are badgers because they don't know. And maybe they're bad because they just don't care. And I don't know, I'm me to judge. And then there's this middle zone where is. Even if it was a bad company, it's possible you'd still get results that. Which is cool. But I said possible. I didn't say that it definitely would be. And I don't, I'm not even saying that it's unlikely. I don't think it's unlikely. I don't think it is likely. I don't know. But it's, it's. But it's very possible because you're looking for, you know, the right wavelengths and you're looking for irradiance. Okay. So any radiance is the amount of power delivered. So it's the amount of milliwatts typically depends how you measure it. But milliwatts delivered per centimeter squared. If you have the right amount delivered, then you can, you can have the intensity that you need in your body so that your body can use that for all the purposes related largely to do with mitochondrial function, but not exclusively and heavily to do with oxygen. How the body produces oxygen goes through critical phases of cellular respiration which involve cytochrome C oxidase and nitric oxide signaling. So lots of cool, nerdy things there. I love it. Yeah. Cells breathe. And that's really, that's crazy to think about that. And that what you do with light is you're shooting straight into the cel, helping them to, to breathe.
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Yes.
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Cool. Is that.
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It's amazing.
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And then you'd say, okay, well, breathing sounds interesting. Like breathe, meditation. But it's, it's so important. You, you, you can live how long without food? You can live how long without water? You can live how long without oxygen. So now why is. Why do you think that may be the most essential thing and delivered at a cellular level? It's part of the reason why chlorine dioxide solution or chlorine dioxide is so influential. And that by the way, so just, you know, I love to give away information that people can use and utilize for free without. And, and I will never sell chlorine dioxide is. There are people in jail for, for educating on this and selling it. So I'm educating and not selling it. And other people can sell it and not educate. The reason why you could buy is because it's a water purifier. But I'm just. What we educate people on is just taking a, a high like a. It's still a very low dose, but it's a higher dose than what you'd use to purify water. Anyway, the reason why that's so powerful is because when you're drinking that throughout the day, you're delivering around 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. By the way, that's what Mel Gibson was talking about when he referred to his three friends that went into remission. I kind of, I gotta be careful with what words because these two things together don't go well on major platforms. That, that solution that I just talked about and the big C word, if that gets talked about. There's a reason for that because it works and it is the biggest threat to the industry and it costs nothing. And you can look at books like Andreas Calca's Forbidden Health Achieved Health. Is it basically the same book, but you can look for that gives you all the protocols you could be done from home and you could use it for all types of diseases. And because it's the oxygen based therapy, what disease should you not use oxygen for?
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I'm laughing because 2002 and you know, the Internet was very sparse back then. I was doing what I could. I was in college and I wrote a paper and I still remember every last bit of it and I'll tell you why and how it relates to what you're saying and why this is pertinent. So I did a study. I always, always, always have believed that God has put a cure for everything here. I fully believe that. I don't care what science, I don't care what textbook says, I don't give it, I don't care. I know in my heart, right? So I did this paper and I was looking at incurable diseases. So at the time more prevalently discussed hiv, herpes, sexually transmitted disease. And I found this study in Germany. I don't know how I found it on the Internet at this time. I was very, very persistent in digging. And what I found was that they were treating it and smothering diseases with oxygen therapy and it wasn't killing them because they couldn't survive the amount of oxygen that was given to them. And this was like something that I dug and dug and dug and found. I'm sure I have the paper somewhere in my storage when we just moved. But this was like 2002 and I wrote it and I got a good grade on it back then because it, you know, it didn't matter back then to write that type of thing. Nobody was going to get that out. But I found it and it was oxygen therapy treatment and it crushed and killed the disease and yet it's still. They want to sell you all of these drugs that'll mitigate and suppress suppressive therapy. So I. I can't remember. I think it's called valcyclovir or something like that. That will stop like, or mitigate herpes. And I can't remember the exact name. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And then the HIV drugs have changed, obviously, and there's different things now, but that's what I found. And that's why I felt so fascinated with the oxygen side of things. And, like, you're talking about that. I don't know. That those type of viruses can survive.
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Exactly.
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And instead. And as bad as this is, they'd rather not only put you on suppressive therapies that'll make you miserable, but harm you in the process.
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Wow.
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Because a lot of these medications hurt you.
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Wow.
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They might help you in one way and hurt you 20 different other ways. I talk about this with stat. Oh, yeah. And I will leave that alone because that makes me public enemy number one. But I'm a firm believer in that. So I see when you talk about red light, that it kind of has that kind of effect where it's probably has the ability to cure a lot of things or at least help treat things that they may not love us talking about.
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You got it right. Exactly. So we gotta be careful in the platforms. You're right. So what I just did was to illustrate this, and I'll answer your question. Cause I did kind of left you cliffhanger. So this. This has chlorine dioxide, which is not chlorine, by the way. It's just sodium and chloride. Sodium salt. Chloride salt activated by hydrochloric acid, which your gut has. And it's a. But it's a 25% concentration of sodium chloride. Hence why it has this off gassing potential of with oxygen. So I'm going to ask your. Your lovely bride here. Hey, Queenie. Do you mind for a second? So she's going to take this outside for a second so it gets direct sunlight exposure because it's contained here. But as soon as you see that fog up, let it fog up for a while. Like when I say a while, like a minute or two. And then if you don't mind coming back and say, okay. Sorry to put your wife to work.
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No, she's okay. She's fine.
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A
Is that the well we'll get into.
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I want to talk about the protocol you put me on. We'll leave that alone for now. That's a different topic that we'll talk about. So do you find it difficult or do you find it gratifying that you have answers, you find it difficult to put them out there? Or do you take pride in that, in doing it and how careful? Because I know how careful I have to be and sometimes I just don't give it. Yeah, because we're at a point now where I think more people have now opened up to the fact that we don't have all the information we should have or we maybe have gotten bad information and we have a little bit more wiggle room to speak freely now than we ever have. It's still not great, but it's better than it was. Better than it was three or four years ago, I'll tell you that much right now. Do you take pride in that, that you have those answers? Or do you think it's a curse to have those answers? I mean, you know, because I think it feels good internally to know, but then it can be scary at the same time.
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No, I appreciate you asking that. It's a crown and a cross at the same time because you have so much hope and joy in that. Like for example, we're here and I know that I believe and you, you'll have to see this real time that what I share with you will actually help turn around that condition. That could be a fatal condition. You heard me. Even like warning. But then in a gentle way, just being like, hey, it's is actually really serious. And I'm not saying it's just this one way. There's a few therapies that will work with this. But it's so important to go after this and, and hence why. And that was me seeking to drive into you some kind of compliance. Right. Not that you weren't going to be, but it's just, you know, I. You give, you got to give vision and direction and now here's the hard part. What about all the guys that didn't get to have that conversation, didn't get to know that? What about when I didn't know about those things? What about all the people I buried when I didn't know about things that I wish weren't in the grave right now? And you know, I believe I'll see them in heaven, but I would love to be with them now. And what about all the families? Like I got a four year old and a six year old. What about all the families that don't get to have all those precious moments because their life is cut short? And so that's the hard part. So my responsibility, I feel like so responsible for being. For being integrous with getting the message out and then doing it in the way that can reach the most amount of people. And it's part of the reason why, for example, when it was actually RFK Junior's doctor, Dr. Rashid, but gave me a call after two years of me going back and forth with him saying I need to find out a way to help reverse this thing that people putting in their bodies that is giving them this reaction. Yeah. Because of this big scare that has happened. And then this is being mandated. And then, and then some people thought it was a great idea. Other people felt force, whatever. And now they're injured and a lot of people died. And then these people that are injured. How do I help them? Rashid. And he said, there's no way to help him. It's genetic. And so you can't do anything about it. And I would just delete those sections out of the videos. I'd never air that section that he would say, because I'm like, you don't say, you know, you don't know that. And so I once he called me and said, look, Jonathan, I got an answer. It's. It's urine. And I thought he was crazy, but I couldn't stop thinking about it because if it was true, it would, could. It would. It could help save a lot of lives because of the universal accessibility of it. What if it is a medicine? Okay, cool. Thank you so much. Right. Look at this. See that?
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B
Yeah, I see it. It looks like smoke.
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Yeah, that's oxygen. Really? So like you could sit in a hyperbaric and spend a bunch of money and sit in line and. Or you could just drink oxygen all day. Funny thing. Might be better.
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I'm gonna roll with the cheap mode and do the. The drinkable oxygen. That's probably better.
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Yeah, consistent, like. Yeah, it's like imagine just. And holding it for a long time. You. You gotta have consistent oxygen in the body. And then. But the cool thing about light, red light therapy is when it charges the cells and so a mitochondria receive light, produce ATP. Adenosine triphosphate, which is triphosphate. Phosphorus. It's a fluorescent substance. That's the reason why there's so much phosphorus in urine. Yeah. Which means bringer of light. Your body is producing fluorescent substances. Magical. It's amazing. And. And then. But it stores that energy. And as it stores that energy, it's using it for all cellular fun. Do you mean like cellular repair, regeneration Stem cell reproduction, regeneration, stem cell, stem cell maturation. Mitochondria are in the stem cells is called the mitochondrial stem cell connection. So you're charging those to go fulfill their destiny. Go, little guy, go. Come and I sell. Go become a heart cell. And then what are cancer cells? The ones that just can't get there. I don't have what I need. You know, you're, you're a bad kid. You're never going to be anything, you know, stay stuck in this middle zone. So it's a cancer stem cell and it doesn't, it doesn't mature. And so they, what do they lack? Cancer cells lack energy. They less lack cellular voltage. That's the number one. And they lack oxygen. And then, yeah, there's antibody cytokines, there's hormones. They lack these things as well. And that's, and that's something called redifferentiation therapy. You're, you're, you're causing a cancer stem cell to form back into a stem cell. Like to actually form back into a normal stem cell and then to become a regular healthy cell. Right. Heart cell, which, which your body can naturally complete those processes. And hence why we look at regenerative therapies versus car burn poison. Anyway, so to answer your other question, so the things to look for in a, like a light device, number one, is irradiance. The amount of power delivered, how much power is delivered, and, and is it adequate? So that's again measured by milliwatts, typically milliwatts per centimeter squared at certain intervals, like three inches. So what we did with ours, we put them over 200, like 200 milliwatts per centimeter squared, which is super interesting considering like they're $150,000 devices that are at 50 milliwatts per centimeter squared. And I just think it's not that they were bad, it's just that they were good at a time. But technology evolved. Yeah. And then they kept the same process. Why change it? It's working, it's selling. Why change the model? Well, you should. Yeah. And because it's more affordable now. There's, there's breakthroughs in technology and, and they cost nothing to run as well because there's no, like, there's really zero or not zero, but very low energy consumption. The number one thing you're looking for is irradiance, the amount of power delivered. Number two is you're looking for wavelengths. So the certain wavelengths will go through to certain levels of the body. Yeah. So people know of infrared and they Think of infrared and they think of a sauna and red light. It's the same, it's completely different. Infrared sauna is far infrared, which is, which is great. The mitochondria don't see any of that light. It's, it's, it's going into this, the water, your water is picking that up and it's raising the core body temperature. So then you can increase your immune system by doing that. So it's a good therapy, but it does nothing in the mitochondria. But if you've got the optical window, which is 600 to 1100 nanometers, red would be around the 607 hundreds. And then by 8 hundreds and up then now it's invisible, but it's near infrared. So it's still red, but it's it near. And then once you get past 1100, it's mid. And then goes into fire, into the thousands. But then everything in the, the 600-00 is getting through the dermis and just slightly towards the epidermis and then into the eight hundreds. Then it's getting the subcutaneous tissue and muscle, bone, interior tissues. So it will get far infrared, sorry, near infrared up to 1100 will go straight into the bones. And so what we did was we just programmed it with all of these critical wavelengths. We put on 9, we went 480, 5, 96, 36, 66, 78, 10 8, 3, 8 50, 10 60. So we would cover these wavelengths. And it became really important. As I went through the studies, I looked at a red light therapy study on breast cancer where they tested four different wavelengths. They tested 6:15, 6:30, 6:60 and 7:30. And so you would think, okay, well they probably, they're very similar, then maybe they're all going to perform similarly. Yeah, and that's what I would have thought.
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B
Close enough.
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A
Yeah. There's only one that worked. It was 660.
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B
Really?
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And it dropped the breast tumor proliferation by 40%.
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B
Why?
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In 24 hours in both triple negative and non triple negative breast cancer in PubMed, because it's that region in the body. So you're, it's like a bullseye. Right. So if I wanted to get into your center of your eyeball, I couldn't do that with 670, even though it's proven for my op er. And it's a 17 improvement in eyesight in three minutes. Three minutes of exposure immediately observed is 17 improvement in eyesight. But if I was trying to get deeper into the eye, I'd have to use a 10, 838, 50.
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B
I see.
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And if the disease was there, if I didn't use that right wavelength, I'd miss the target. I'd be like an archer that's shooting over it or under it. Yeah, I get it. Pretty great.
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B
It's target. It's targeted.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. All right, cool, man, that's impressive. All right, so good data. I appreciate that insight. Now then, let's kind of look at. Well, one, I want to compare it to the sun. Okay. So when is the best time? I'm big on getting out early in the morning and the sun first thing in the morning for 20 minutes at least. For me personally, I feel that that's good. I've noticed the changes. When do we need the red light and how often do we need the red light therapy? And, and I, I understand that, like, for me, you told me you need it more right now to treat this condition. I'm just talking about the average in general person. Let's leave conditions out because that's going to be, that's going to be all over the place. Yeah, just a normal daily.
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Yeah, exactly. So I would say. Yeah, and so, and you led with sun. So with sunlight exposure. Sunlight exposure is amazing. In an ideal world, you. The best protocol would be one where you used both sunlight and like a red light therapy. Defiant.
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That's what I'm talking.
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Yeah, that's really cool. Not many people are talking about that. They're either kind of saying one or the other and being like you, I don't know about these devices. We should be the sunlight. And the other guys on the devices, like afraid of the sun, use the device and they're kind of shills because they want to make people afraid of the sun. But, but it's all based on sunlight technology. So why would you say that? And, but I don't, I don't know if many people are saying that, but it's easy like, because if you just want to do that in your marketing, you just can scare people off the sun. But red. So like think about when the sun is red. It's twice a day. And this gives you indications on how much you can use the device and how little you can use it. So twice a day you've got red in, in the sky and, and it's red for, I don't know, we could Google it, like 30 minutes or something. 45 minutes. Yeah. Sunrise, sunset. So you see that red tint. So your body can, can like actually handle quite a lot. So you could do 30 minutes twice a day. 40 minutes. Twice a. You could, but who has that time? Not everyone. And, and if you look at studies here, now let's go on the other side of the pendulum, Birmingham University studies studied one minute of exposure and a lot of the fertility studies were even over the testicles for one minute. And you can look at all these really interesting one minute studies, which are profound. And that's the interesting thing as well. We have so much data on the devices. Even though it doesn't brand, it doesn't tell you the brands in the studies. And there's a reason for that. It is giving you higher irradiance, much higher irradiance and it's giving you that exact concentration. I give you an idea like I have got a device here and 90% of the power is going into, into the light and 10% is going into the heat. Okay, but you've been on it, you felt heat, right? Yeah. So what does that tell you for how much light is going in your body when it only accounts for 10%.
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B
Right.
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You're sweating still, like depending on how close you are. And so. And you don't have to sweat. It depends how close you're. If you're a foot away, you won't sweat at all. And you can be, and you'll get a great session still. But if you're three inches away, you're right up against it. And again, you people are like freaking out like he's not doing with goggles. Well, I've looked at the studies and, and my eyesight is, you know, perfect. But, but you know, do your own research. If you want to feel comfortable and confident with that, you will. You and I have talked about that. Birmingham University study showed a minute of exposure increased cell viability by 45%. So meaning the functioning of cells would increase by 45%. So why not just find that one minute or at least every two days? Because what would happen would be like, I, I started a red light study that was twice a week, 20 minutes twice a week. So that's all that they gave up of their time. So don't be a perfectionist. And if you got three minutes, do it. And if you're like hardcore and you're, especially if it's in the morning that I study was eyes open and then think about getting in your eyes and what to charge your brain and what it does to your oppression levels. The studies on depression were showing specifically that even after an hour of red light exposure, they had an improvement in their depression. And then an hour after that and they had a more More significant improvement. So it's stacking and it climbs. So it's is you think that you're in front of this, it's treating you while it's in front of you. It's not. What it's doing is it's giving you storing up the energy and it is helping you during it. But what it's doing is for the next now three days, it's going to be releasing all the red light that you put into, like what, what was produced by the red light that you put into it.
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B
So let's just say you do it twice a day, like five minutes a day. It doesn't have to be all in one setting.
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Right.
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To get the benefits of it. It's not like not doing cardio or you want to build your endurance level. Right.
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Okay.
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So feasible you could do it. Is it fine to do it right out? Like. So let's say I go for my 20 minute walk in the morning, I get home, I come inside. Should I then flick it on and do a couple minutes then or wait a little bit? What do you think?
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Totally, man. Do it whenever it works for you. Whenever it feels good to like put it on.
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B
How to sleep. Does it help asleep?
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Amazing. And especially like the studies specifically on that were to do it just before you went to bed, like maybe 30 minutes before 10. But you would like, for example, this had, this has blue in it. And I'll put that in there. It is there. I just put it on all settings. So that's nine wavelengths, that's 480. And so blue is the best for skin rejuvenation and circadian rhythm, which. But still you don't do it at night because you have to replicate the sun. Sun is never blue during the night. It's red just before it goes in. And then you could literally go to bed. Think about it. Right after the sun went down, which means you just saw red and then you went to bed. So that's what you're biologically designed for. But then you'll see blue once the day picks up. And so the sun is blue mostly during the day. That's why the sky is blue.
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B
Okay, what, what, what about the blue light glasses then?
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That block this, I hear, dude, this is interesting.
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B
So because you're saying turn down that blue and then other people are saying block it all day.
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A
Exactly. So this is really interesting. So there is a myth to this. You like, if all blue light was bad, then no one look at a rainbow, it'll hurt you, the blue, right? Nobody gets sun during the day. And then there's these other thing of sunglasses during the day. Most of the biohackers will still say sunglasses aren't great for you because they're blocking your ability for your body to protect itself against and you know, and for your, your eyes, like solar panels. So you're blocking that. And there they have, well, they function and et cetera. So it's the consistency that's the thing. Okay, so if these lights, all these lights in this home. Home. It's not your home. I mean, well, studio. It's your studio. Yeah. So I don't mind saying this, probably all LEDs that have a high flicker rate. All right. And because of that, it's the damage. So imagine if I came in a room, I was flicking light on and off. Yes, constantly. It would damage your eyesight terribly. But you can't see that it's doing that. But it is. And so now, now it's blue as well. So now the, the flicker rate is getting the, the bad press for what the blue light has done. Well, the, the, the flicker rate is, is causing the harm. The blue light is not the thing that's causing, causing the harm. But, but because of that, it is possible that these blue light blockers are still helping people because it's at least blocking the blue so that their high flicker rate that they're getting is at least being somewhat absorbed. Or that the blue in the evening, even if, if it's non flicker, it still might make people stay up because it, it's not in biology. Hence why you would take it out during the evenings, which I'm going to take out now.
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B
I wore these blue light glasses from a very, very big name brand. And I mean, it just ruined my sleep for like three weeks to where I was sleeping, three hours tops. And I was waiting. I could not fall back asleep. I felt like I was doing dry. I don't know what it felt like. I mean, like stuff I hadn't even felt before. I could not go back to sleep.
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A
Sleep.
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B
I fell asleep. But I was up. I was up. It was like three, four hours. And it took me like a month to get out of that phone.
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A
Oh yeah.
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B
Then I talked to another place that said, you don't block the blue light. You harmonize the blue light with these certain lenses and glasses. And then it was one thing and another. Then they got you wearing these red light things at night that seem to screw me up. And they block everything at night, you know, and all of these different companies telling you this. I Just said, man, I'm done with all of this. Well, I am done with all of it. I, I think that, that messing around too much is blocking too much, too much of that. I think it's, it would be better to just limit your screen time at night.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, or limit some of the things that you're doing. I mean, I work on a computer all day, so maybe there's some things I need to be careful with, maybe not. I don't know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I think when you start blocking things out and eliminating them, you're creating more problem. Would you agree?
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A
Yeah, no, that's super interesting. It's like you proved my point, which is really cool that you're like, hold on a second, they're blowing blue because this assumption that all blue light is bad is harming us. Because if you look at Studies on 480, which is the peak of blue around there, they're actually even proven for neonatal care. So babies in the womb get a great response from blue light is the exact opposite of what you're saying. And these are clinical studies. And the fact that like, they could even conduct a study on a, on a, on a baby in the womb, they kind of rare these studies because they don't want to do anything to harm naturally. You know, it's.
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B
We're kind of, A lot of us, I do this. A lot of people do it where, where it's like you hear one thing is bad and it's like you go completely overboard and like the cholesterol, or they want you to just crush your cholesterol. It's like, man, that's super harmful.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, okay, you don't want it crazy, but at the same hand, you don't want to completely eradicate it. It's like guys that use steroids and they crush their estrogen, you know, with estrogen blockers, then they wonder why they're so messed up. And it goes hand in hand with everything. So I, I'm glad that you did that because I wouldn't even have known it. We probably wouldn't even have talked about it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so, okay, you did that. What kind of settings are on this light and why?
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A
Well, okay, so if you've got nine wavelengths, you have the ability to change everything, ideally, which is the case. And so you could take anything out or add anything, or with nine being the most, then you could add any. But they are naturally all going to be there if, like you hit a setting, which is like all as an example.
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B
So your light has nine A blanks. Okay.
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A
Yeah, exactly. And so I'm sorry, blasted you you. Which you could do if you just, you know, if I didn't shock you so much then you just like. And, and now you're adjusting to it. So now if I. And again, people do their own research, but if I hit something like settings here and I look at right this, it'll give me the opportunity to look at all those wavelengths that I was talking about, which is from 4, 85, 90. And these are like, they're very much skin related. And then 6:30 up they're getting into deeper but still going into the skin. So very effective for that. And then the eight hundreds in the red and neurophytic read. But so I could dim everything, for example, and just take down and just say look, it's just too much intensity for me or whatever. And so you can do that if you want or you could just go through and just say, hey, look, for whatever reason I've read XYZ study and I just want to take out this wavelength and you can't. But there's really no need to do that unless you have some knowledge on that. And the only one I'm saying is the blue. So you would just select a mode that has that extracted from it or individually take it out. And then outside of that, you can use some of the, some of the settings that relate to for example, like ones that we programmed for pets and just. Yeah, so we got a lot of pets having a good life. And you've heard about. It's so cool, man. Because a lot of people are like, they don't have enough money to be spending on every family member and every pet. And yeah, this is one Lord of the Rings, one ring to rule them all. And then everyone can, can do this and then no reorder. Right, right. He's like, all right. They get the cartridges to fill it back up again. Like this air filter thing is costing me a lot every month, month or every year. But this is like a one and done. And so that's the other thing to look for. Like, like longevity. So 50,000 already lifespan hours. FDA Class 2 certified. 50,000 hours, 30 minutes a day. If one person is. It's over 200 years. That's unrealistic. But. Right. Because there could be weather factors and things like that. But they're, they're designed that way. Like LEDs are very durable if they're high quality, which is the thing. Like no flicker. This is where Dan, Dr. Dan Pompa, he did extensive Testing on our devices. He's like, brody's the best. And he did some videos for me, which is really cool.
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B
I'm going out to film with him. Oh, no, Amber.
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A
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, in the. He had his EMF guy come in there, and they go on the EMF devices scoring, you know, perfect zero. And so no. No EMFs coming out. That's the other thing.
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B
But you have instructions on the wavelengths for people then so they understand what you're doing. Or, like.
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A
So, yes, it's in the book, and there is some. Really. Yes. So there is an instruction manual. Says there. Right. So people can look at that stuff. And. And then, you know, our team, we do, like. There are lots of, like, webinars, and we do lots of training and teaching. Yeah.
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B
Because I don't want people to feel scared or, like. Because we're talking sciencey and we're talking things, and I want them to realize it's not difficult to use or easy if you just.
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A
You just turn this thing on. I even tell people, don't even set up the stand. Just get it out of the box.
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B
Don't rebank that.
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A
Right. It's. Just plug it in and then just sit against it and just. Just put it on you. And it's. Yeah, it's so easy. And like, the only thing I'm saying is, like, just think, like, okay, well, maybe I don't need to get blue at night. So just. Just hit a mode that doesn't have blue in it.
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B
What's. Too much exposure? I don't want people going crazy. I've seen some people going, oh, I do this an hour a day. And I'm like, man, I don't. That seems a little.
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A
Yeah, exactly. There's a time where it can work, but, like, I haven't seen anything showing that an hour is too much. I haven't seen anything to that that is harmful. And it's not easy read that. That amount of time. But I don't like telling people that they need to do that, because who. Who has that time? Not everyone has that. But look, if it works for you and you feel great on that, that's a good sign.
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B
You think 20 minutes a day is a pretty good hour.
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A
That's amazing. Like, it's perfect. It's such a great amount of time. And. And then for me, sometimes I'll be like, I'll do an hour this day. And then I'm. Then, like, three days later, I'm Back on it because I was traveling and it like, it's just. So think about it. You're like, how long do you put your phone in the charger? Well, the good thing is, you know that there's a certain amount and then it's charged. But if you didn't have a meter on it, you would kind of just charge it when you could because you'd just be like, look, just. Yeah. And, and sometimes more can be better for certain things. And if you're way below, below the line that you can have that benefit. But then on the other side, you know, if you're close up against it over your testicles and there's all these kinds of things to think about very strategically. And then there's this methylene blue side of things where it's hypersensitizing your cells to light, which is why it's used in all these cancer studies. Because it's inducing the apoptosis. Light is going to do it in and of itself. Like all the studies I mentioned that weren't including that, but when they, they combined that it was so effective because it's hypersensitizing the cells to light, making them more sensitive. So methylene blue will have a peak absorption at 660 nanometers, which is interesting. Same as the, the, the cancer study on breast cancer. And then funny enough, blue light activates curcumin. Really? So red and blue, Blue and red. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know, but it's rhythms in nature, man.
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B
Let me ask you this. So I'm, I'm big on cellular health. I've talked to you about that now and just learning. I, I've spent a lot of time now studying cellular health. Another thing that's kind of crazy right now is NAD levels. And then another thing I'm looking at or asking or thinking about is testosterone levels. Does the red light have any bearing or effect on n A D on testosterone or any other like area that we would see a benefit, you know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Level wise, internally before we talk about like other conditions and diseases. I, I'd like to.
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A
Yeah, exactly. No, there's, there, there are some great studies on testosterone with red light because.
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B
I've heard about that. But I don't, I don't know. And I figured if anybody would know, you would.
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Well, I hope so. And yeah, so there, there's great studies on that. And then, and there's all these interesting crossovers. So if you, you know, you think about something like, you know, post stroke or, or. Because there's people having massive recoveries post stroke after with red light therapy or people using it for gut related issues and having tremendous success. And so you just keep going all these weird categories and you're like why is it working for this, this and this. And, and there's so there, there is this thing where it, there's studies showing like a significant improvement in, in testosterone. I'm just pulling up some, some data on that so I can you know, reference the, the studies but because you have to think about it's through cellular energy and it's through, it's through causing the, the mitochondria to, to generate energy and then they, they're using that for all cellular functions. So the answer is always going to be like yes, it's going to improve things because how do cells do things? And they can do everything when they have voltage to do so they can do nothing without it. Testosterone is a hormone. So like think about the thyroid study I mentioned where the thyroid is naturally producing LT4 by itself without Synthroid because it had light to then stimulate the thyroid to produce thyroid hormones. And that's exactly what it did. It did two things. It stimulated the hormone to detoxify itself which is so cool. A bromine, halogens, fluoride. And so it actually that's what it did because it had the voltage, the cellular energy to go and perform the detox. There are no detox supplements. I have a supplement company but we, and we do detox supplements but they, we don't, detox supplements don't do that. They initiate the body's processes of it doing it itself. Live therapy is the number one. And it's also anti parasitic which is really cool and an anti venom therapy considering like, you know, some people are going to have to, to me like Ozempic isn't, is an issue. And, and so when people want to get off these things that are all made as synthetic venoms, they would want to use anti venom therapies or things that work in a process of reducing inflammation. Glyphosate, the toxic ingredient Roundup is synthetic animal venoms based on the patents. They're the world leading patent holders. And so we want to get these out through these types of therapies. And then the net impact is once you remove toxins then you'll get testosterone back. And that's one of the things, it's a toxic drive and it's the cellular function that's the mechanism. And the studies are really profound to.
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Restimulate production that's being locked down essentially because of the toxins in the body that are blocking the production from occurring.
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Yeah, that's. That's. That's the big hitter. Yep. But not exclusively because it would also be. There's just. It's helping the body generate it. The testosterone, just like the thyroid.
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Okay. Or check this out. We're going to do a non claim segment. I'm going to run down some things and you're going to say, yes, I've seen that. You know, I've. I've witnessed it or heard of that helping this conditioner. No, I haven't seen that yet, but I'll look into it.
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To it. Yep.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Does that sound good? Oh, dude, it's awesome. And. And should. Do I have to go off memory or can I use these things? You could.
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Look, dude, I'm just. I'm curious.
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I'll see if I can do it off memory day.
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I'm curious as to what you've observed because we can't make claims. Yeah, I'm cur. All I care about is observations that you've had or things that you've heard or. Or from people that you've sold your red light to. From peers, whatever.
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Yeah.
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Just some things that you've seen it help with it in. So my. And we'll get to inflammation last because that kind of ties into my thing. Yeah, we'll save that for.
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Yes.
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So the first thing that I would look at or. Or imagine would be something like psoriasis or eczema being on the skin.
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Yeah.
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Anything you've noticed with.
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Yeah. Amazing. Really, really good. And I'll give a cool cliffhanger that I've seen urine do amazing things for those types of things as well. And people. And on my own self, like really bad things things. Right. This would be an example. Right. Well, because it's like psoriasis, though.
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It's just a. It's a pitfall. Like you just feel like it's endless.
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Exactly. That's. That's me with my leg and me putting urine directly into my leg.
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Is that an injection?
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Yep. Holy.
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Is that just like an insulin injection?
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Yeah.
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Of your own urine?
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Yeah.
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Really?
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Dude, I had that for two years and it wouldn't go away. You can see that closer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then immediately, no pain, no itch, gone. And then three days later that, like.
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That'S sterile to do that.
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Yeah. Because urine is sterile. Sterile. Like it came from your body. Like your kidneys filter 180liters of blood per day. Right. And they pass through the kidneys. And then all that you're, it's urine gets reabsorbed in the body and then 1% of it goes through your bladder and then you pee it out and you go oh look at this toxic stuff. But it went through the same filtration process. What happens when you put it back and you're giving that information directly to that part of the body filled with the antibodies, filled with the urea, the kinase, all the enzymes, they all break down all these things, information back to the body that's missing that only your body knows that it has. No, no functional medicine, doctors and tests and all kinds of things that you may not be able to afford.
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Wow.
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But I had a way for everyone to get healing and it's filled with stem cells. Based on the Wake forest University study. 140 stem cells in a 24 hour urine sample each for three weeks. 100 million at a rate of 1 times 10 to paraben. And part of the reason why I'm like look this, this, this is, this is cool. Case in eczema. So yes, amazing studies on, and data and, and, and personal witnesses on, on everything from acne to eczema, psoriasis and any lupus. And lupus. Really great studies on lupus. Even though that would be one that you would think that's a major problem.
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Rosacea skin blotches, hypo. Hypo or hyperpigmentation, anything like this, hypopigmentation, supposedly you can't fix. You just gotta, it's. You have to lighten your skin to make it evened out. Right? Yeah, things like that.
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Yeah. No. Hyperpigmentation particularly 590 wavelength which this has, is extremely good for hyperpigmentation. I should know because I've dealt with that. Dude. I mean mine, mine's the worst because of my Malaysian background. My mom, my mom, she doesn't do, she's starting to do now. I need to check in with her. But she, she grew up with a like lot of stuff like that. I'll see how she's doing actually with it. That's rosacea. But yeah it helped me a lot. Like I, my, my marks were very strong and you could see it in previous videos, all these like really strong. But this is rosacea and 21. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was over the course of, of 105 weeks. Big reduction in rosacea.
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People that have skin issues, skin disorders definitely would want to look into this.
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Yeah that was, that was a 68 year old same time period. And so that was with rosacea. So it's pretty cool.
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What about neurological brain fog? Lack of sharpness, mental clarity. Any help there at all?
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Profound. And that was the. This one of the studies I'd shared with you from the European Society. European Society, Society of Medicine and showing that all 62 of the participants had complete remission of all symptoms which included brain fog, executive function, emotional deficits, I guess a memory recall, all those. And then. And that was specifically for the like long Covid. But those symptoms are in common. And so people experience the brain fog typically because of toxicity that's causing that and that's why it's good to get off gluten and these things. But it's an example. Or stick with the ancient grains iron corn because of hybridization, the leaky gut that's caused by that. So but 60 out of 62 had that complete reversal of all symptoms within a single week and the other two get better the following week. So it was a hundred percent. All got better in that 62 person study particularly on brain fog, memory recall, executive function and emotional deficits. So in the memory side of things. But then it was oxygen levels above 97% without supplementation, dyspnea, inability to maintain breath, all resolved. So that's really profound because a lot of people have those. Even though it's not diagnosed as that certain condition. But these symptoms are just symptoms. They, they're in common. They're 75000 different diseases. Is not. There's not 75 000. There's one. And so it's all in common. That's all. Okay, so.
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And I will preface this very loudly that these are not claims being made. These are observances or things that we've heard. Right.
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So.
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Okay, so let's talk about then One, that would be an elephant in the room that you brought up earlier that you and I have that you're never supposed to talk about and that would be cancer related. Look, I. I've seen many different people that have gone far different routes than radiation chemotherapy. One, they had better outcomes. Two, they didn't get into a complete level of misery where they would rather be dead regardless if that's what you're going to do. And I've seen it work. We've seen it work, but we've also seen it not work. I don't know success rate. I don't have numbers. I'm not that guy. I'm just curious. And I'm always looking for alternative methods or options of treatment.
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Yeah.
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Have you seen or witnessed anything that could potentially or Shown to help either with therapy, treating it, putting it into remission, helping cure it. Any of those things at all? Have you observed or seen any.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I'll. I'll do the disclaimer on the. On the word cure, so we'll throw that word out. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Yeah. And so your remission. Yes. And. And a lot of. A lot personally and in clinical studies. And so that's a. That's a beeper too. Because it's. It's designed in a way to help you make sure that you're not, you know, getting more than right or that, you know, that you're doing because you've fallen asleep or because you're so mellowed out. Because it felt good. But even though it's not dangerous, it's just. And safety times are good because, like, you got saunas that don't have timeout. Yeah. And they're high heat. So energy is the one thing. But house fires, big risk. Right. Because that's the. If you're not using LEDs, that's the thing to fall back on. But the irradiance is about maybe around 10 times less. Maybe more like, maybe less than that. So the irradiance amount of power delivered, hence why. Because you got more of a delivery into the. To the light. Okay. The reversal on that is about 90% into the heat. 10% in the light. In the incandescent or halogen bulb. There's a big difference. Whereas 90% goes into light in an LED. Hence why it replicates laser technology. Because it's low and low flicker, no flicker. Okay, so here's an example. This was a. That. That's a PubMed study. That's two sessions on a cutaneous B cell lymphoma. Oh. Two sessions using something called photodynamic therapy, which is an example of that is if you combine nephewing blue. In this case, they used a methyl form of amino luvolinic acid ala. Okay, so there was three people in that clinical trial. It was. It was just a pilot study. All three got better. Wow. Within one week. Wow, dude. Like, look at this. All treated patients had complete remission, defined as a clinical and histologic complete absence of cutaneous B cel lymphoma. After a maximum of two photodynamic therapy sessions at a one week interval, a patient experienced particular side effects and the pain was easily managed. As the pilot study from 2006. Three patients. Amazing. That's out. There's a breast cancer study that was a 40% drops and there's the. There's the four different wavelengths. There's a 40% drop in. In 24 hours after the exposure.
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Well, nobody can say anything then. Cause there's studies out there that are, that are so that, that's up to you to look at and to decipher. But they are there. They're present. You've seen it. You've got the studies that you can.
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Show lung cancer, biggest killer of all cancers. 87% in overall response. Which doesn't. I'm not saying 80% went into remission. Right. It says that 87% had a significant response and improved patient quality of life. The promising anti tumor strategy. This is, this is PubMed.
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And nobody's saying don't take your medicines or anything like that, but we're saying take a look at something else. Maybe it'll help.
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Yeah, exactly. This is where it's specifically showing that it gets straight into the bone. Yep. Near infrared will go into the bone and it does this through. You'll see what I shared. It can increase the intracellular reactive oxygen species and the photothermal agent. And then this photothermal conversion leads to the tumor cytal effects, which is the, the. The suicide of the tumors. But that is the reactive oxygen species includes singlet oxygen. Singlet oxygen is red fluorescent, right? It's burning red. It's so powerful, you. It's been used in military settings to shoot missiles that are airborne. Singlet oxygen, your body produces it naturally. What do you think that does to cancer cells?
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Eradicate.
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Yes. Why it's so powerful? That's the, that's the prostate cancer study. That was the, the 400 increase. There you see the 49% in the VTP targeted photodynamic therapy. 13.5% in the control group. You know, UCLA, very promising therapy.
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Got.
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These results are excellent news with men with early localized prostate cancer offering a treatment that can kill cancer without removing or destroying the prostate. Wow. That's pretty nice. Well, I gotta.
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We gotta wrap up here. So I want to close what we talked about with. With what I was talking about. So we'll talk about inflammation specifically possibly to the heart from virus. It doesn't necessarily have to be Covid related. Any virus could cause inflammation around the heart. I've had Covid seven times. Like I've told you, no vaccine of any kind, but have had it. So we can't say it was vaccine caused, but we could certainly say it was Covid caused where I. I had a episode where my heart and we had gotten home from a convention and I Certainly were sick again. It seems like every time I go to these conventions, I come home with COVID or I'm sick. And I told my wife I got sick again and she wasn't feeling good. The next morning when I was in the bathroom, my heart started to skip beats, but it wasn't like a normal one or two. It was about 15 minutes of inconsistencies. And I had to sit down and I said, dude, this is. This isn't a panic attack. This isn't a couple skip beats. Something's wrong. Went away after we sat and talked and got calm. Two days later, happened again. Third day it happened on that Thursday. It was frequent all day long. And I finally said, okay, enough's enough. So I go in low ejection fraction, which means that my heart isn't pumping as strong as it should be. Wasn't heart failure, but too low for me. EKG was a little abnormal. Echocardiogram showed cardiomegaly. So there was an enlargement of the heart. Not drastic, but enough to cause problems. Troponin level high, meaning my heart is sending out a signal that there's damage. They categorize that as like a silent heart attack type of thing with a level of troponin. So then, you know, it's, my wife and my mom are coming up there and they see that my heart rate's normal. Everything's normalizing the next couple days. But they still go in because they have to stick the catheter up your arm to see if you got any blockages to see that. Their assumption is you're going to need a stent, you got blockage. That's where you're having this issue. No blockage, that's where I talk to you.
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Yeah.
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And they are thinking it's either stress related, which very possibly could be with all the moving and all of this stuff going on, or more than likely it's going to be when there was a possibility of a blood cop breaking off and causing it. But not likely. Especially because there was no evidence of anything in my lungs of any kind. You know, little bronchial inflammation, but that could have been from being sick. More than likely virus caused inflammation. Inflammation, pericarditis, type of deal. Right. I'm getting a cardiac MRI to determine that.
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But.
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But chances are that's what it is. So I talk to you, and you are so confident on use the red light, do this with the nicotine patches.
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Yeah.
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Talk about real quickly, that protocol, how the red light could help and why that protocol with the nicotine, which is scary to people, even though they don't realize that nicotine ain't. This not the problem with the cigarettes. It's the tobacco and the tar and all the other shit that goes into it. But explain real quick the reasoning and the relevance.
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Yeah, dude, thank you for just giving the opportunity because in some ways, it's a big part of my life's work, which is why you sense such utter confidence with me. You'll notice I'm not confident about things I'm not confident about. I'm not like. That's called assumptions. And it's like Peter saying, I won't deny you, Lord. And then he denies him, but you've.
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Just told me, I guarantee it.
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And I'm like, dude, this is coming.
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Up your tongue way too easy, man. I'm going to try it because I trust what you're saying, man.
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Yeah, exactly. Yep. And. And things I said, like, I don't know exactly how long it's going to take. I don't know exactly which of these therapies is going to work more than the other. I know that they all work for it. And so you've got a couple options. And so, and, and for everyone listening that if you had a reaction after, like getting something put in your body and you wish you didn't, you want to get it out, or you didn't have a reaction, you want to get it out. So either one of those. This is going to be super relevant ever. Everything I say, if you have any mysterious symptom or challenge, this is going to be relevant for you. So it's. That's what's really cool about this. Okay. So, yeah, so the nicotine is very effective. And because of the fact that it's competing for the same receptor that is the target of the. These viral components. And which is interesting. Do you know what the Latin word for virus is? Venom.
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Really makes sense.
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Or poisonous secretion. But poisonous secretion is a venom. And so not saying that is exclusively then going to be from an animal, as we understand venoms. But it's viral myocarditis. And so now it's interesting because guess where you have nicotine receptors in your heart, Right. Brain, kidneys, intestines, ovaries, testes. So these are. These are in these vital organs. And it's specific. It's particularly the seventh receptor called the alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor receptor, which is in all animals and humans except badgers and mongoose. Wow. They don't have them. Well, Notice what happens if they get bitten by a snake? Have you ever seen the videos? Honey badger don't give an F. No, that's why. Because they don't have nicotine receptors, so it doesn't affect them. Oh, doesn't land. It's got nowhere to dock. How cool is that? Right? Okay. They evolved out of having them or adapted out of having them so because they were in an environment where they kept getting killed by snakes, but they were the, that, that was their first food. So everything is trying out out of that to each other in nature. And then, and then now some people think, what a great idea. Let's use it for pesticides, let's use it for weight loss drugs like Ozempic and all these medications and other things that are getting put directly into the bloodstream. Then what a great idea. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, look, our cancer rates are the highest they've ever been in human history. Oh, I wonder why. Well, do you know what happens when you, when you block these receptors? You dysregulate everything, especially your ability to circulate normal cells. Okay, so, so then, and, and form normal cells. Hence why cancer is associated with studies done specifically on cobra toxins and cones down venoms being injected. And then they'll actually observe the formation of tumors in short periods of time. And so, and then in some of the same studies, they'll use nicotine as a control agent to put it in and it will drop the tumor formation by more than two times in 72 hours. And so that's, you can find that on PubMed. It's called out alpha cobra toxin, alpha conotoxin. Promote the proliferation of glioma C6 cells. So you can look at that. Anyway, so by putting the nicotine in, you'll compete for this receptor. You'll drop it off the receptor, the nicotine will switch its place. Now it would be circulating now, you might feel a little sick. And that's why a lot of people feel extra sick when they try nicotine. If they're super toxic, don't give up, don't, don't like underestimate your body's ability to heal and adapt. If you swallowed a poison, you'd want to vomit that's normal, you just attach it off the receptor. So now it's as if you swallowed it. And often when people vomit or something after they feel immediately better, not that you have to do it that way, it's better to just do it gently. Small amounts like 7 milligrams. Let's start with 3 and work up to 7, depending on your body weight and size. But generally speaking, that will still work. Well, people, if it's children, you could do a lot less, but you could do a single milligram or two as a patch, ideally, and let it release over 24 hours. Switch it out every 24 hours. Or do the gum in a similar fashion. Maybe space it out two or three times in the day. But then you could break it down in the body with EDTA, which is. It was developed during World War II. It breaks down the disulfide bonds of venom protein so they can't reattach. And so considering that it's all through our foods because of glyphosate and other chemical companies that are doing this, this is just something that people need. And notice that there's studies on nicotine turning around. Low hearing, Tourette syndrome, autism. When I say autism, specifically for aggression in both children and adults, schizophrenia, dementia, or with nicotine being therapeutic, Parkinson's disease, viral myocarditis. With nicotine. Yeah, that's just a few. Protective against type 1 diabetes. If the rats are exposed to it, they don't get type 1 diabetes.
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Amazing.
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Isn't that cool? Okay, so that's one. Nicotine is going to be effective in that. In that way. We talked about chlorine dioxide because of the oxygen, and very effective. So you add that into the protocol. Look at those books like Forbidden Health, Achieved Health, and then add that to. Basically Speaking, I put 10 milliliters of the solution, or the equivalent of 10 drops of each of the solutions. If you're not preparing the solution into a liter of water, activate it first, put in the liter of water. You can look up more on this. Drink that throughout the day. That is tremendous. And it can work in and of itself. The other one that can work in and of itself is the urine, which is surprising. But I've seen people with aggressive heart palpitations every day for two years after they, you know, things that went in their body, and then within 24 hours, they never would. The moment that you drank the urine is the last moment they've ever had heart palpitations. They never come back. I've seen those firsthand. The red light and then the red light because of how well it helps denature all these toxins. And it helps to be able to give you the cellular energy, the voltage, to be able to regenerate and heal. It is a killer protocol. And that specific protocol that I listed in that study was. It was four sessions within a single week of 64 to 84 minute long sessions and that was a hundred percent remission. The inability to cure was 0.25% but it was for nosophobia, which is the fear of getting diseases and severe long Covid anxiety which doesn't. Which is based on people's fear, not the disease. So everyone got better. And so that, so that's the, the power of red and near infrared light, specifically through LEDs in that study. So that's that.
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Sweet man. Well, I know we gotta go. I know we're over on our time here. So. Dude, amazing, amazing, amazing conversation. I want to just let everybody know that if you check the descriptions, I'm going to link all of your, your work. I'm going to leave a coupon code which you are grateful to give to everybody. It's just Dylan that's going to get you the discount on the red light, right? 10% off. So take advantage of that. We're going to do a part two, probably going to do a part three and we're probably going to be doing a lot of stuff together, I hope. But dude, thank you for flying in. Thank you for all this time. Thank you for the education and thank you for all that you do, bro. It is thoroughly appreciated and I'm. I'm thankful to call you a friend. I'm glad I got connected with you. I don't remember which agent did it, but I gotta, I gotta let them know later. Mike. It wasn't Mike. Okay. All right.
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I feel the same way. And I, I gotta hit him up as well. That's awesome, bro. All right. And oh and let's just quickly tell people as well the place togo is myredlight.com.
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Awesome.
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Which is my red lights dot com. And then. Yeah, use that code at checkout. You can look at stuff like we got stuff that just allows people to just go get some really low cost, put it on it, get it on their body. Right? Yeah. Look at all these different things. Very precision based things. And then. And a full body panel. You look at those ones. This is my favorite one you've got in your home. One I got in my home. So it's bigger than this. Twice the size of this cap. Covers all your organs like head to groin area. So that's, it's a, it's a, it's an amazing thing, bro. Appreciate the time, brother. Appreciate you. All right.
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All right everybody, that wraps it up. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli and Jonathan Otto signing off.
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Sam.