A (3:31)

Thank you so much for having me, Dylan. I'm humbled by the introduction. Thank you. Thank you.

B (3:35)

It's a pleasure to have you here. I really appreciate you coming on and taking the time this evening. I know it's late there, it's not as late here, but it's late and we had to make this happen. So let's take advantage of the time we have and get that information out there that we're desperate to do together.

A (3:50)

I love it. Let's do it.

B (3:51)

All right, so, okay, look, when I get the story, because I've had good, what I would call really good hearted doctors, practitioners, when they go out on their own and they leave behind this career like you did, and it's risky for one, but two, it says a lot because you have to give up something and maybe comfort level, maybe financial, who knows? It could be a combination of everything. But to do that it takes a lot. And that means that it's a passion and it's something that drives you. So let's talk about that a little bit. Bit. Let's talk about what drove you to that point, how you started, where you came from and why you're doing what you do now.

A (4:29)

Absolutely. So I was born a little country girl in West Virginia and my dad was a preacher and a missionary. So I learned early that I didn't like injustices and that's kind of carried me through my career and been something that has always been a leg I've stood on. And so I went to medical school in Kentucky in the University of Louisville. And I went through conventional medical school because I didn't know that there was, was something like, called root cause medicine or you know, functional medicine. And I just believed everything they taught me in school. I thought, why would they lie to us? This is the epitome of healthcare. Right. I got my flu shot every year. I believed every pharmaceutical, you know, anything they taught me. And when I was done, I started to work at a level one trauma center for almost seven years as a board certified hospitalist. In internal medicine, things were great for the most part until the last year. And I really started to see cracks in the system. And the problem with me is when I see an issue, I really can't pretend like I don't see it. I can't unsee it. I have to, I have to say something and become disruptive at that point, unfortunately for everyone else. So, you know, I was often in the cafeteria complaining about the factory farmed meats and the processed dairy and why do we have Coke and Pepsi in the hospital for sick patients and why are we feeding Jell O as clear liquid diets for people who have diabetes and other things? It's just, it's just ridiculous. I would, I didn't think discharging people on 30 to 40 medications was healthy. So when I complained about this, they really didn't like that so much. They told me I had to shut up or quit. And at that point in my career I was lucky enough that I could bounce. And so I actually quit and got trained in functional medicine. I made a fourth of what I used to make. I had to become my own businesswoman. Trial by fire. Because there's not a ready made system unless you're a medical doctor inside the hospital system. You have to figure everything out yourself. And so I probably wouldn't have jumped so quick had I known that in the beginning. But ultimately in the end, I jump out of the plane and build the parachute on the way down. And so it worked out. And I think myself and my patients are much happier for having me get them off of medicine rather than put them on with band aids.

B (6:33)

Yeah, we need more people like you so badly out there and it's become an epidemic of its own. In terms of what I see, you know, I am not an MD or a doctor, but I am privileged to know so many and get to talk to people that have the most, what some would call outlandish thoughts and practices to what I call caring and being intelligent, which is exactly where you fall in, except at an even higher extent than I'm used to seeing, which is what drew me to you upon speaking with you. And so I really want to know first, what drives you to continue to do what you do? Because it's risky. I mean, it is risky to speak out. It's risky to take a jump on your own when you, you know, it's not insurance related and everybody can't afford it. And you know, people call you crazy or think that things that you say because it's not what they're brainwashed to do. Just talk me through that a little bit. What's it like? What is. What drives you every day to do it?

A (7:36)

I just. One of the favorite, my most favorite things about myself is the fact that I don't fake things. I don't, I'm not out of integrity. I don't. I have a moral compass that I follow that is ultimate truth. You don't lie to people. You don't lie to patients. You don't keep secrets about how to heal people. You don't bamboozle people. You don't just give them band aids that don't really fix them. And when I saw through that illusion of what the pharmaceutical industry was doing, in my opinion, I mean, don't get me wrong, they've got it right for, for healthcare, if it's an emergency, like if I broke my leg and you did, too, we'd both go to the hospital to get it fixed. But, you know, for chronic health, they kind of missed the mark. And so, you know, I couldn't, once I took that red pill, I couldn't untake that red pill. I had to say something. And I thought, gosh, don't these other doctors see what I see? Surely if other people saw the injustices that I saw and this wasn't really health, they would speak out, too. But I really got persecuted because that's not what happened. In fact, the more I spoke out and the more I stood up, the more persecuted I was for it. And I actually, it sounds crazy to say now, but I actually was surprised by that. In my heart of hearts, I thought, gosh, people want to do the right thing. They should have a moral compass. And it was really disheartening to see how the healthcare industry often does not.

B (8:56)

Yeah, I struggle with it. I used to get angry about it, and I decided instead of getting angry about it, to do something about it. And that's why I, you know, spotlight people like you and get the word out and spend so much time studying it and kind of being fearless in terms of what we say and talk about. And I, I do want to make something clear, though, because you said it and, and I, I don't ever want to come out as being this, like, big antagonist against everything, because that's, that's really not true. There's a need and necessity for certain things, and I, I want to make that clear before it ever comes across as hateful, spiteful, conspiracy type. That's not what we're saying here. What, what the message is. There's a lot of Misleading on things. There's a lot of over medicating and there's not a lot want to get to actual problems and figure out what they are. Now I'm going to tell you some things that I found and I want you to comment if you don't mind. And I have a feeling that you don't. One of the things that I run into and I talked a lot about like over prescribing statins and that's clearly not the only thing. But a lot of what you see is if somebody wants an obscure drug, a repatha, a jardiance, you know, something that's a little bit more interesto these things that cost a lot more. If these doctors start writing these prescriptions and they do it too much and they don't prescribe the cheaper things or what they're supposed to, they could get dropped from their networks. I want to know if that's something that you've ran across, how you feel about that and you know, what are your thoughts on things like this that go on. How real is that?

A (10:31)

Well, definitely the doctors are not in charge. Anyone who thinks the doctors are in charge in the hospital system is sorely misled. It's actually the suits and the administrators and the insurance companies that run the show and actually are the next that turn the doctor's heads. And so really, you know, I haven't run into that necessarily being kicked out of the network. But pre authorizations are the biggest pain and they will do anything to not have to pay for a drug that is a necessity for a patient. Many, many times. I've seen that time and time again. And you know, they have a very protected system for each other and they don't. Insurance companies don't pay for things actually get to the root cause for people. They do not. So it's a rocket.

B (11:10)

They don't like people like me because I have several obscure drugs and I know what's needed and what's not, that I've been prescribed and you know, I, I, I won't take the no for an answer. I keep fighting until they just do it. Most people just, you tell correct me if I'm wrong, but most people just accept it and move on. When they get a denial, you know, yeah, there.

A (11:31)

It's almost like the fire in people has been extinguished a little bit. They literally just listen to people, they claim they see, they see in their perspective as leaders. And really until you do the research yourself and you start digging in, you can't really trust everything you're told. In fact, I'm of the opinion that many of the things we've been taught are not true.

B (11:52)

So let me ask you this, and you've seen it a lot now I brought up the statins and I'd like you to get into that a little bit in terms of cholesterol and experience there. Talk about that a little bit and why is that happening and, and what other things, you know, symptoms, different types of, of illnesses that, that we could get into that you see are often over prescribed or they just want to put somebody on everything. What are some different types of varieties of things that you have encountered that are just, you find to be ridiculous?

A (12:26)

I mean statins are a billion dollars, billion dollar drug. Billions. And they made so much money for, for the pharmaceutical industries. And there are other ways to reverse cholesterol. You know, like cholesterol isn't all bad. Your brain is made of cholesterol. You need cholesterol to function. You know, you need cholesterol to carry things out of the liver and back to it. It's necessary. It's when the ratios are improper or off, off kilter. And then on top of that you may have oxidation within the plaques. It's really an inflammatory process. It's not the cholesterol that's the problem. It's the oxidation inflammation within the vessels that is creating the problem. And so, you know, there are certain things like Tadka, for example, a good liver cleanse actually can reverse liver enzymes. I've just done it in a 38 year old person who had rheumatoid arthritis. They wanted to do a liver biopsy to check for autoimmune hepatitis. And we reversed her liver enzymes in two months back to normal. So yeah, it can be done. And there wasn't a statin involved. So I really try to do exactly what you can do with pharmaceuticals, with herbs, minerals, vitamins, things like that. And that's my first effort because even though it may be a slower process, they don't, people don't get whiplash from the side effects because things happen so quickly with pharmaceuticals. Yeah. So other things that are BS. Let's talk about SSRIs and antidepressants. Oh my gosh. The studies that are coming out now. Right. Most of this placebo effect. And so we have an epidemic of mental health and we just give people band aids rather than looking at what is going on in their life. Have they been outside that? They have they move their body, what are they putting inside their body? What kind of water and food are they eating everything. Everyone's inflamed. So that's another one. SSRIs and antidepressants. You know, a lot of the diabetes medications aren't necessary for type 2 diabetes. Not type 1, type 2. Really, you can give someone cut out gluten, cut out processed dairy, cut out seed oils, give them the Mediterranean organic diet, have them walk 15 to 20 minutes after meals, give them some berberine, some bitter melon, some chromium, some vandium, some things like that. Some mineral status. Reverse that mitochondrial damage that leads to diabetes. You don't always have to go on Forman or GLP. GLP 1. Lifestyle changes do actually work a hundred percent.

B (14:36)

I want to get into some, some aspects of health that aren't ever talked about at the doctor's office that I really focus a lot on. I have a firm belief that you do. And I want to bring up two aspects of things. One, cellular health. Because you mentioned mitochondria to gut health.

A (14:57)

Yeah.

B (14:57)

All right. So what I find, and from all of the experts I've talked to, the studies that I've put down now for years and years, all diseases generally start in the cell, whether it be in the cell membrane or the mitochondria, or because. And, or because of a leaky gut condition. Right. And inflammation and cellular damage. Oxidative stress leads to the cause of all diseases, mitochondria issues, degradation. So let's touch on those. One, do you agree or do you think I'm nuts? And two, why on earth are these not the things being focused on when we're going to the doctors and to, to different specialists that don't seem to specialize in much because they don't know about this type of thing.

A (15:41)

No. We were given what, four to six hours of nutrition in medical school. Yeah. Doctors don't know. Okay. The thing about our diet and everything that's put into what we're eating right now, it causes a lot of inflammation with people. And I think you're right. You know, the gut is a big central point for people. The gut brain axis is connected. So if you have, you know, when you injure your brain, you injure your gut, and you injure your gut, you injure your brain and vice versa via the gut, brain, vagus, nerve access. And so, you know, and you said, you mentioned cellular health and mitochondria. Absolutely. That's a catch all for so many different diseases. Because mitochondria are in every single cell, that red blood cells, if your cells aren't working properly, that make up those organs. How do you expect the organs to function properly too? They cannot. But I'm going to take it even a step further. The root cause for me is usually dysfunction in the autonomic nervous system. So people start moving from ventral vagal to dorsal vagal according to the polyvagal theory. And as when you're in a ventral vagal, you feel connected, you're not dissociated, you can make decisions, you belong, you have a community. All your, your digestion, your hormones, your neuropeptides, everything is secreted in a symphony that's perfect. However, as you start moving up into flight or fight or sympathetic arousal, you start feeling fear, jealousy, frustration, anger. You're in that I can still driving state. I can put that square peg in a round hole, right? But you know, it starts to change your pupillary size, your voice, prosody, your way your neuropeptides and hormones are being released, the way your defense mechanism are occurring and even your gut health. And as you move into I can from I from I can to I can't, that's when you start to associate. Doom scrolling can't make decisions. You know, everything's fine in your day unless something happens out of the ordinary and you just want to hermit in your house because the world doesn't feel safe. And that's a parasympathetic emergency. And that's where most Americans are in functional freeze. And that changes everything. There's not a pill to fix that. Good luck. So you have to kind of get your nervous system back on track. Because what I've realized in my career is I can half the time people need a detox or protocol call if I get their autonomic nervous system balanced. And until I do that, I'm spitting their wheels and wasting their time and money. So I have to get them to calm down. The inflammation, the brain fog, the fatigue, all of that coming from the gut brain axis. But a lot of times it's coming from their inability to feel safe in their body and their environment.

B (17:58)

Wow, I love it. That that is a tremendous breakdown. And you know, it's, it's not one that I've heard a lot and I appreciate you getting into that. And I think that a lot of times people, and I've dealt with this a lot with all the bodybuilders I've trained and people because I've spent so much time doing nutrition professional athletes and everybody just wants to take something and it's going to work and that's it, right? And that's just not how it works. If you're not like hormonally optimized in a lot of circumstances I can put you on everything under the sun and it's never going to work like it's supposed to. I think that it's inbred into everybody's minds. Think we want everything right now, right now, right now. And this, everything pretty much in life in all aspects. With health rebuilding, it's a marathon, not a sprint. And it's a, it's a long term thinking and a long term process. And it, things change as we age. Environments change, things internally change. How do you handle that with people?

A (18:57)

It's hard. You know, people have to have a growth mindset and they have to be open. A lot of people are so rigid and they're sick because of their rigidity, which is the opposite of health. Health is resiliency. You should be able to have achie meal every now and then. Not real for two days. You should be able to a glass of wine and have a hangover for three days. And if you're not doing that, you're not resilient. And that's not health. So rigidity is actually the opposite of health. We want you to be able to flow through this, right? So I have to talk to people and a lot of people have these. I. They want to control the, the process. They, they don't feel safe, right. They don't trust their practitioners. So there's a lot of things that go into this fight, family dynamics as well, you know. And one thing I've noticed with people is if they're stuck in flight or fight or sympathetic arousal, their body contracts and it doesn't release toxins. So people are stuck in flight or fight. I can see on their total tox test when we do, they'll have, they'll be full of like phthalates and pesticides and parabens and pathogens and heavy metals. And then I'll ask them, you know, how many times do you have bowel movements a day? Oh, I go every three days. Wait a second. So you're telling me you're complaining of brain fog and that's how we release toxins through the bowels, you know, and you're not, you're complaining of toxin overload basically. And you're sucking fight or fight, which is the opposite of rest and digest. So how can I expect that your body's going to release any toxins? So until I can calm people down, they won't sweat properly, they won't Poop properly and then anything enters their body leads to filling up their toxin bucket. Right. And a label eventually, rather than dumping them out as they should out their drainage pathways and detox pathways.

B (20:30)

See, that's it. You say that and, and you say that to me and I'm like, that is insane. Like if you're not having a bowel movement, I'd say even once a day, maybe a little low. It's like even twice a day, you know, and, and maybe once is fine. I'm more of the belief of two. But regardless, yeah, three and four days, like on top of being absolutely miserable, like you said, the toxin buildup. And, and I, let me ask you this before I get into how bad that is that like you were getting into. But is that a lack of fiber? Is it diet related? What's the, what's the cause of that? So people that are going through that have an idea.

A (21:05)

It is the vagus nerve. So the vagus nerve connects the brain. It comes out of the back of the brain, there's one on either side. It runs all the way down. It sings love songs to different parts of your body, innervates them or sends branches, nerve branches to them, to your thymus, to your heart, to your thyroid, to your gut, to your small intestines, to your liver. And so if anything is off kilter, you're not going to have the right vagal response or autonomic nervous system response. So when people are stuck in flight or fight, they're not able to make stomach acid from the vagus nerve talking to the body. So then without any stomach acid, you can't break down food. It sits like an anvil in your gut and doesn't propel forward. A peristalsis.

B (21:44)

Wow.

A (21:45)

Yeah. So that's why people can't go to the bathroom. They don't have stomach acid.

B (21:49)

Wow. Okay, well, see, this is why I love this cause learn something new every day. When I get to talk to people like this that, you know, I, I have my own assumptions and beliefs on that. But that is very intriguing and I'm really glad to be able to get this information out of you. So you, you keep going back to that. How do we treat that issue?

A (22:09)

There are a number of reasons people can be constipated, but for stomach acid is a big one. Especially if people are bloated all the time. If they're bloated, they're constipated. That is a, a sign that they don't have enough stomach acid to move things through because it's it disintegrates their food so they can absorb and assimilate it properly.

B (22:26)

So what causes this problem to occur? Is it all diet related? Is there any stress relationship there? What, lack of sleep, like what, what is it? And then two, what are your different methods on treating it? How do you know the severity? Is it through a blood panel? Like let's, let's dive into this and get a better understanding of all of this for sure.

A (22:45)

So I spend an hour with each person when I talk to them. Oftentimes you're right, it's all of the above. What you said, stress is playing a huge role their diet. If they're eating glute and processed dairy, you know, just chemicals in general will play a big role for a lot of people with food sensitivities and just slowing down of gut motility, oftentimes there are pathogens involved. Right. So if you have something like parasites or sibo or sifa, which is fungal overgrowth in the gut, that too can slow down the transit through the gut and really cause problems for people. And you know, like I said, you're going to have eventually neuro and brain inflammation too, if you've got inflammation.

B (23:21)

So, so when you brought up parasites, how often or how prevalent is that? Because that's one of those things that you go to the docs, they're not going to even, ever even think of that or bring it up like, so how, how big of a problem is that? And, and to expound on that, if it, if it is a bigger problem, how does somebody get one?

A (23:39)

Absolutely great questions. So first and foremost, yes, parasites do not understand borders. So they do not know that this is their first world country. Second of all, our food system is not that clean anymore. It's not. And so it's very easy to get a parasite in this country, especially when people are immunosuppressed because they're full of toxins. I see people with parasites day in and day out all the time. Parasites are not bad at their job. They, they've been around as long as us, they're excellent at hiding. And there are certain symptoms that are very specific with parasites. Now the tests are sorely inaccurate. Okay, if you can find someone to do like a PCR test, we know how accurate those are from COVID wink, wink. So PCR have a lot of different, you know, things that are wrong with them. But the real art is having someone look at the slide under a microscope. A parasitologist to look under a microscope. And I have one lab that does that. And so it's the most accurate I can find. But what's most accurate is asking people's symptoms to go with that when they get them. You ask me where they get them. They get them from things like letting their dogs lick them in the face or eating raw sushi or traveling to a third world country and getting food poisoning. And then their gut was never right. I hear that so much. And there are people that absolutely get it in the United States day in and day out.

B (24:54)

And I want to bring this up because when we were doing your intro especially and you and I talked about this prior, but we talked about heavy metals and toxicities and things like that. So we got parasites. I want to talk about heavy metals and then I'm going to expound upon where I'm going with this. But talk to me about heavy metals.

A (25:12)

What.

B (25:12)

When you say that. Okay, because you and I know exactly what that means, but a lot of people don't. What, what are we looking at when we say heavy metal toxicity? How bad is that really of a problem and what kind of negative effect can that have all the way around?

A (25:27)

Everyone who comes to my clinic gets a total tox test by vibrant where we look at a urine drop ship kit to see how many mold, heavy metals and environmental toxins people have in their body. And all day I see heavy metals all day. And so there are lots of ways people can get this. They're very ubiquitous in the environment. They can be in the water supply, they can be in our food supply. If you live near a highway or at a mining site, anywhere like that, you can get them injections, vaccines, actually have metals as well, fish, shellfish and things like that. So there are lots of different places you can get them. And certain people's genes don't let them recognize and remove heavy metals as much as, as some other their neighbors sometimes. And then people have that drainage or detox pathways. They're not pooping, they're not sweating and things get clogged up. And stagnation is what breeds disease. Certain symptoms with things like, you know, over 80% of people with mercury toxicity have irrational anger. So there's lots of different things. I mean, you, you guys may have heard the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland. The reason they called him mad was because he was a hat. He cured hats with mercury back then felt hats. So that's why he was a mad hatter. You know, aluminum actually can cross the blood brain barrier. It's linked to neurodegenerative conditions. Right. So there's lots of different ways that heavy metals can present a problem within our body.

B (26:47)

Yeah, and that's where I was going. So you brought up a couple there. What are the. Well, can you give a rundown of what, what we're looking for with metals? Like what's tested? I know like you said mercury, you said aluminum. Those are the two that for me personally, that pop immediately when I think of heavy metals. Those are like right at the top. Are there any others that are commonly tested for or common problems that you see that are high in people?

A (27:11)

Yeah, for sure. Arsenic is another one we test for, for uranium which breaks down the radon and is, is radiation and it's really hard to remove as well. Tin. We see a lot of tin. I see a lot of lead. Right. So there are quite a few. Cobalt, um, is one that we look for cesium. Right. So there's lots of different ones that we can, we can see. We even look for barium. And people will tell me, oh, I just recently had a barium swallow at the hospital. Sometimes we can figure out where they come from, but a lot of times it's a mystery for people. And one of the main places I see people get the highest amount of heavy metals or if they had breast implants.

B (27:46)

Really.

A (27:46)

Yes.

B (27:47)

Why, why is that?

A (27:49)

Breast implants have upwards of 50 different chemicals in them, including epoxy resin, polyvinyl chloride, which was in the Ohio dope derailment spill, and tons of heavy metals including silicone, which is a man made toxin, not silicon I believe.

B (28:02)

And I want to know because you wouldn't have the actual facts on this. I, I don't have numbers in front of me, but I believe that heavy metals are, and toxicity like this, I think that that's a massive problem. Like, I think it's become a really, really big problem. And I'll tell you why I say this, because the more people that I work with that come in for, like, because I do a hormone optimization and people come to me to, to fix that constantly. And what I find is that when I start digging and do these tests, there's always some sort of toxic issue there going on. Like I find like, I don't want to say with certainty, but like 97% of the panels I run have some sort of toxicity issue there on top of, you know, other things. And I think that's causing some of the problems with liver, with kidneys, you know, blood counts being off, some of these side effects. I think they're big problems. And so I'm Wondering, you know, what you think.

A (28:58)

Yes, I completely agree with you. I see trends in people where they have the worst vitamin D in the toilet, like pen and then they will have like I'll see signs on their blood work or they're not absorbing B vitamins. So I know that they're inflamed people in general, it's just. Yeah, you're exactly right. I completely agree with you as to what the root causes with some of this. I mean, I just think that people, they don't understand how the body works. They don't understand the toxins when they build up can lead to a label or an ICD10 code. They don't understand that mold is sarcoid sarcoidosis and water damaged fungus in house is sarcoidosis. They don't understand that the same people who are sensitive to mold have a genetic haplotype that also predisposes them to Graves disease. So if you are someone who's in mold, you might end up with Graves disease. If you have hlatr. They don't understand that, you know, rheumatoid arthritis is Lyme's disease until proven otherwise. So there's a lot of different things that people think are root cause and they don't understand it's toxin and pathogen overload leading to labels.

B (29:59)

So I'm assuming like you, do you take clients of your own? Is, do you have one of your own practice that you take clients? Constantly. Okay, that's what, that's what I wanted to let people know because you know the, the, the type of work that you're talking about and doing. I believe that people would be hard pressed to not come and see you. I especially people that are at a loss where they're being told they don't know what's wrong with them. Everything seems fine and checks out. All right. So I appreciate all the information and I could talk to you all day about this, but we got other things that we do have to talk about in the time. So you've gone through some, some shit I, I believe over the years and you know, had some things happen and some things vaccine related maybe that you want to talk about a little bit.

A (30:42)

So I was unfortunately in California back before COVID when SB 277, SB 276 were passed by Senator Richard Pan, who wrote the laws. And what this meant was SB277 made it pretty much illegal to give vaccine exemptions, except unless there were four reasons, like an immediate family member had it all seizures, seizures to the Vaccine. There was all these reasons, okay? So I paired up with a pediatric naturopath, and both of us were very passionate about giving vaccine exemptions to people, to children that we thought had. Gosh, we all have different genes, and different genes are activated. Not everyone can handle the same toxic load. And when people don't want to realize, you know, you wouldn't give metformin to everyone, why would you give blanket medicine and a vaccine to everyone? It just doesn't make logical sense. And so I thought, you know, I'd like to help the population, these children that are fragile, by making sure they're safe to have this NDT dose of vaccines by the age of 18 in California, according to the CDC schedule. Not everyone can handle that, since we got maybe 15, right? So, you know, we started getting these vaccine exemptions. Well, what California did was when they passed SB276, they went back and retroactively punished medical doctors for following the law under SB277. And they got us from minutia, not sending charts in time or not doing the proper physical exam. And they were subpoenaing patients records through the Health and Human Services Department under the guise of checking legitimacy of vaccine exemptions, but not asking permission to open the patient's chart to do so. This happened to me personally. HHS requested a chart for me in my clinic, and we thought it was, you know, parents going through a divorce, fighting over what they wanted the kid to do, Right? So we think it was actually the Medical Board of California. So they came after hundreds of us doctors like this. They only needed two patients to get us in trouble. What they did was this nulled all of their vaccine exemptions we did for fragile children if they got us in trouble. So that was the ultimate goal. So, you know, when they came to me with these two exemptions, I did and said, you're in trouble. You know, you can get three years probation. You can take 60 hours over our reeducation. You can take a stipulated license. I said, I don't kiss the ring of kings. Here's my license. Because I didn't make money that way anymore. And I thought the bigger plate was to media blitz them. You know what happened? It was right during COVID and everyone was scared to talk about with me. Dr. Peter McCullough was the only one who would interview me. So they put on my. They put on my surrender, disciplinary surrender. Like, I was made to surrender, and it was actually willing. I didn't have to, but I. I thought it was the bigger play. And for Three years I've gone for a medical license, and I've really had to practice as a health coach. And about three weeks ago, Florida came to me and said, here's your full license without any stipulations. Yes.

B (33:24)

Nice. That's a beautiful thing. Wow. You know what? That's how God works. And it always comes back around and works the way it's supposed to, and that's why. And the darkness always comes to light. It might take time, but it always does. You know, people like yourself that work hard to show it and expose it always end up coming out on top somehow, some way. It's funny how that works, isn't it?

A (33:46)

I didn't. I didn't know if it would. I'm surprised that happened this quick. I was really happy. I was really pleased with people making the right decisions because, you know, I don't know about you, but I was censored, canceled everything else during COVID because it was very outspoken about what was happening, and it was outspoken about forcing 72 doses of vaccines on anyone. And I think what we did with the adults with COVID was what we've been doing to children for years.

B (34:11)

Yeah, I mean, at that time, I was talking, like, steroids, bodybuilding. It still got shut down, and it wasn't even anything Covid related. I've lost. I've got shut down twice a million subscribers. So, I mean, no, I. Yeah, I lost a YouTube channel, actually, three times, and, you know, millions of subscribers, and it just. Total losses and just. I just don't go away. You know, sometimes perseverance speaks volumes, you know, and people see that and it inspires them and encourages them, and it shows them that when you believe in something and you won't stop, that you will always reign supreme, somehow, some way, and getting the message that you're trying to do, if it's a good one, I think that that's part of what makes this conversation special, what we do special. It's not that you and I are special. It's the message we're trying to put out is special, you know? And I think when you look at it that way and you see it from that view, you can resonate forever, you know?

A (35:13)

Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. That's the bigger picture. It's a universal truth. It's like a smile in a different country. Everyone recognizes that it's universal. There's a moral compass, there's a code of ethics, and legality doesn't equal morality.

B (35:27)

No. You know, I don't want to get Too much into the whole vaccine thing. But my problem was never that I'm against vaccines. I mean, there's been several that are necessary, I think, you know, and, but I think when my biggest issue is when somebody is telling you that, that everybody has to do this and they. And one of the biggest obstacles that I ever had throughout my early career when I was talking to people about supplements and peptides and sarms before anybody knew what they were, is you only got 10 years of research on this. This is nothing. We don't trust you. We don't know anything long term. And then I battled this and battle it and battle it and I'm like, well, I get your point, you know, but there's still 10, 15, 20 years to go back on. But I understand you want hundreds of years, okay? Then you're telling me something that's never been tested, nobody knows anything about. And then you want me to believe that it's okay and that everything's going to be la da da da da, it's going to work. And it's like, man, there ain't no way in hell I'm buying that. I am not buying what you're selling. I never personally took it, which I'm thankful for because I already found some heart things with myself that I would be terrified right now and don't know what my circumstance would be. And maybe some people say, well, they're fine and that's okay, but I have seen a lot of negative things that have come about about that. And so I think what my point is is listen to what your mind is telling you and if something seems off, it probably is.

A (36:56)

Yeah, trust your gut, you know, trust your intuition. Knee jerk reaction first is usually onto something, you know, we survived a $10 billion propaganda campaign in my opinion because I've seen so many injuries from that vaccine, unfortunately.

B (37:11)

What, what kind of injuries have occurred and why, why does this happen? Because I don't think a lot of people, it's because everybody gets so emotional and so angry on both sides. It's, it's, you know, it's the people that, that are don't even know what they're talking about and saying, oh, you got habit or you're just evil. And the other people that don't have any science to tell me on why it's bad either. I know because I know, but a lot of people don't. I just, I like rational people that are calm and explain shit, you know, and so I would love if you could do that because I think that would Be very helpful, for sure.

A (37:46)

So the COVID vaccine inserted a spike protein and they thought it stated the site of injury, but it doesn't. It actually moves throughout the body, gathers in a lot of the reproductive organs. It was a very leaky vaccine and there are leaky vaccines. If you type in leaky vaccine in cbi, you can see the published studies on leaky vaccine vaccines. So a lot of women's cycles and a lot of people complain they felt poorly after being around people who are vaccinated. Well, so definitely the spike protein makes you a little spike protein making factory and can cause a lot of inflammation, inflammation in the heart, like myocarditis. Right. That as well. And a lot of people who have, because of the spike protein keeps being made, they keep having things like heart palpitations or, you know, brain fog and fatigue. 74% of people with long Covid have Epstein Barr reactivated, according to the World Health Organization study. So, you know, it's reactivating things like Lyme disease, Epstein Barr virus for certain people who have that lying dormant in their body. You know, unfortunately, once that happens, the body is kind of overtaken with pathogens that it's. It's spinning about. The vagus nerve, as we've talked about, that connects the gut brain axis is a little rattled in those people. Montreal are a little deficient in those people. And they don't have that same nitric oxide product production as others. So really making sure they have enough vitamins, minerals, making sure they have nitric oxide production that you're treating them with gaba, something to help calm your nervous system can really make a big difference for some of these people. And you've heard, you know, McCullough's protocol, things like zinc, vitamin C, quercetin, nattokinase, things like that actually really help long Covid too.

B (39:18)

Yep, yep. I'm familiar with all of these. I. I interviewed Dr. Robin Rose and she's a Covid expert and we got really deep into this and you know, she brought up help so many things and has helped me when I've had covet on protocols to get on that actually worked amazing. And because I've had it seven, eight times and really, yeah, I don't. I have been super susceptible for some reason. And but the last time when I had it, her protocol had me two, three days and I was like. Because I had some long ones, you know, that were a couple weeks. And so it was a really strong protocol. Let me ask you this before we move on.

A (39:56)

Yeah.

B (39:57)

What, what is in simple terms, spike Protein. And why is it so dangerous?

A (40:05)

So the spike protein is something that was manufactured. It's not, it's not something that is, is native to our body. Right. It's not something that our body has ever seen. And the messenger RNA vaccine is new too. You know, people will say it's okay, it's been around 10 years. Not been used on, on the population like it has here recently. Right. So the spike protein in general is like this key structural protein that's found on the surface of certain viruses. And that what made it famous was Covid or coronavirus. Right. So it's a glycoprotein, it's a sugar molecule, basically a protein with sugar molecules attached. And it, it extends off the virus's surface and it, it gives the coronavirus its crown like structure. That's why it's called krona, means crown down. And that's the spike protein. And there's a number of different spikes and that's actually what helps the virus. It's a crucial role in attachment and entry into the cell via the spike protein. So they use that in the virus to get inside the cell to actually get it right. That's what happened with people.

B (41:09)

I understand. It's a little passageway of, of problems, essentially. In short, I gotcha. All right. So. All right, I don't want to get any more into this because then I'm gonna get a little pissy about it and just, we'll just, we will just say that we've got a better understanding of things now as to why it occurs, what goes along with it and what has come along over the years with it, and we'll just kind of stick to that. At least we're more educated now. And, and Right. You know, that's understandable because at the time it is cause for concern and panic and lack of understanding. I just wish there was more understanding amongst people that we don't know. Right. And I understand panic and wanting things right away, but there has to be a patience to test and understand things as well and not be tricked and duped. And unfortunately, people in power or people with say so really, really proved. Wow. You know, we got to be really careful about what we listen to and do in the future.

A (42:14)

So consider our authority that we don't.

B (42:18)

That, that's, that's it. Yeah. And I've never been good with authority myself. Um, and so, you know, I, I just feel, Dr. Jess, that when somebody asks a question, any type of question, if the person answering the question gets angry. Impatient, Annoyed skews off Starts to give these political answers, that's everything but the answer. I don't for one second trust anything they're saying and believe any of it.

A (42:48)

Right. I think that's true. I mean, if you have to get defensive, oftentimes you're hiding something. Right.

B (42:53)

Or you don't know. Absolutely. All right, so I want to switch route here. I want to get into some of your products. So I've said it multiple times now. I'm a supplement guy. I've been a supplement guy. I've helped create them. I, I know I'm inside and out. I know the good and the bad. And you have a pretty precise line that you've created. It's not a wide line of all kinds of crap that supposedly does this, this and this. And I told you when I saw it, I said, holy. I mean, some of these, you sent me a couple here that I have. But the electrolyte complex, for instance, I, I, I told you, wow, this is one of the most complete electrolyte mineral complexes that I've ever seen. You talked about tudka, which I know about from the bodybuilding world, but a lot of people don't. And you know, I know I'm privy to this, that that is the best for liver. You can talk about this as well because you obviously know everybody goes to milk thistle, which is fine. I'm not saying it's not. Or nac, you know, hawthorne berries. Why is tudka the primo of primo for liver? And then let's just expound into why you created what you came up with for your product line. Why your focus?

A (44:11)

So, you know, Taika is one of our products that was launched maybe second or third. I have it right here. It's like you said, that nac in acetyl, cysteine, thistle, shilajit and tadka. Tadka stands for taurourisodeacolic acid. It's a mouthful, but actually, gastroenterologist, GI doctors will use this to move, promote and move the bile. And why should you care about the bile anyway? Okay, well, the bile helps you just absorb fats, break down fats and absorb them. It helps you absorb fat soluble vitamins like A, D, E and K. It's really important. There are a lot of things that hide in the bile. Parasites, mold. It's very. Anything that loves fat is going to be there. Okay? And so many people's bile gets stuck. Any ladies that had, any ladies that have had their gallbladder taken out, have had bile stuck, any sort of gallbladder issues is stuck bile. So that's why you should care. And it also helps regulate your bowel movements too. So Tadka is a full on liver cleanse. Taurine is the T in tech. It crosses the blood brain barrier and helps with cognition and energy. So there's a lot of published studies on this for reversing Alzheimer's neurodegenerative conditions, which is surprising because it's also for the bile. It also helps reverse liver enzymes. I really get people's cholesterol back into check with this without statins. So one of my favorite supplements that people tolerate really well.

B (45:30)

Well, and that's the thing, multitudes of benefits. And, and I learned that by giving it to steroid users, right. That are taking steroids that were causing high levels of liver toxicity. And when I was helping develop products for them, cycle support products for people on steroid cycles, this was always what I would try to make sure that was included in those formulas. And it's, you know, it's not the cheapest thing and it's not the most well known thing. So that's why a lot of people don't use it for both. Right.

A (45:59)

A lot of tech has on the market, I know at hand.

B (46:02)

No, the honestly 90% of the people that have Tadgar are from the bodybuilding industry or have been in that industry and they're catering to those people. So I love the fact that, that you're bringing that to everyday people and, and shedding light on that. And you even do have nac and milk this along with it. So you have an ultra combo on this. I love it. And T listed first on the blend. So we know that you've got the most of that in there, so that's tremendous. Now talk to me about this one because this was honestly the one that caught my attention.

A (46:33)

Element.

B (46:35)

Yeah, well it, it did because you know, I sweat a ton. I'm also taking Jardiance. So you got two things here that are working against me in terms of losing electrolytes and causing imbalances. And then I also am very aware of people's lack of selenium and copper and chromium and iodine. All of these things that people don't even really know that much about for general people that are lacking in so many areas and those are ones that I commonly see. And then we're looking at thyroid and wondering why is the thyroid back? Cause you're not getting proper iodine, selenium, you know, how did you come up with this, this combination?

A (47:16)

I had a friend who Had a similar product that had actually personally rescued me. Theirs had B vitamins in it as well. But the high dose minerals had made such a difference for me. And you have to take that on a full stomach cuz it's such high dose, it's beyond the recommended daily allowance. It will cause nausea. But people don't understand how necessary those minerals are. Boron releases free testosterone, it helps you sleep, it activates, it helps, helps with magnesium, vitamin D and helps to activate vitamin D that you know, there's B2 and vitamin E, help with hyperlactin levels. You know, it's really important and people don't understand like minerals have this quality where they look like heavy metal. And so heavy metals can get inside the body. Where minerals are like arsenic looks like charge and so they can get in there and place the, like the Krebs cycle electron transport chain where your body's making ATP and energy and they can kind of cause a traffic jam there. It stops everything because there's supposed to be a mineral there as a cofactor and instead there's a metal inserted. So minerals can do this thing called ionic mimicry where if you give them in high doses they could knock the metals out of their binding sites because they look like metals. And so if your drainage pathways are open, you can sweat and go to the bathroom and all that stuff, you can release them rather, rather than recirculating them in the body. And those minerals are so important as cofactors and enzymes and different reactions throughout the body. People don't understand how minerally deficient they are.

B (48:46)

So when I look at this, and this is for the comfort level of others. So when you have something on here and it says for instance vitamin k, you got 208% folate, 375% to the person that's worried about those percentages, what do you say that that is okay? Like how is that okay? And how do you calm their nerves on something like that?

A (49:06)

I mean really, selenium is one that can build up in the body. But a lot of those are not fat soluble, they're water soluble. So you pee them out. And a lot of those right? And then also the recommended daily allowance is pretty much bunk. People need higher dose, I'm just going to say it, they need higher dosages. And honestly our soil is stripped. An orange has about eight times less vitamin C that did in our grandparents time. So people don't understand that a lot of their, their rashes, their brain fog, their mental issues are coming from lack of minerals they're not real diagnoses.

B (49:35)

Right. That's just, that's. I, I love that so much because I even for many years did not take minerals as serious as I should. Of course, I bring them up to people and along the years. But I, you know, the older we get, the more we learn, the more experience. But man, the minerals and the deficiencies cause so many problems like that. You, you find a problem and then that's, that's the reason.

A (50:00)

That's it. I mean, that's. People don't understand, like pellagra rashes on the skin can be a vitamin B. A B vitamin deficiency. You know, scurvy was vitamin C. You don't understand how big a deal this is. And just my personal story, for years I was like taking binders and sweating and taking binders and sweating and going to hot yoga and not, you know, I was so stressed out and I was eating red meat, but my MCV and my blood work was 106. I needed B vitamins like nobody's business. And then I couldn't absorb anything. And so those minerals, like, saved my life. They reversed my labs in three weeks. So I, I learned my lesson through a personal story about how important absorption and assimilating minerals in the body is.

B (50:45)

Absolutely, Absolutely. So you are. Your product line right now. Have, is anything new come out recently? Recently? Do you have a newer product out there that you have recently released and what's on the horizon?

A (50:58)

Yes, our newest product that we released is this. These are our calm strips. And it's, it's Calm AF Aegis formulas. Guys, get your head out of the gutter. So the com strips, you open these up, they dissolve on the tongue almost like a Listerine breath strip. And there, this is a trademarked ingredient called Zenbrand and Cinnamite that have, are from Canaleaf and Mango and they have scientific fact studies to put you in a Zen state and relax you within 10 to 15 minutes. So if you guys have, you know, genes that make you kind of tinged, you have trouble breaking adrenaline down, you have trouble sleeping because of racing thoughts, this thing is great. You guys can see me take it here. Our newest product, we're gonna have a lot more strips coming out for histamine, for allergies, maybe some peptides coming up.

B (51:39)

So, so we got a pretty good, we got a Xanax replacement here. Is that what you're trying to tell me?

A (51:45)

Going on natural fanax relate. But give me all the.

B (51:49)

Absolutely, absolutely. I love the product line. I, you know, I, I don't do like heavy pro bows on here. But I, when I, when I do, it's because something deserves it. And these are top tier, top level, you know. And I told you right When I saw them, when we were talking, they grabbed my attention and I, yeah, I know, I mean I, one thing I know is like, like supplements and, and use and what we really need and what is, and what is bad formulation. And I've seen enough to know enough. Right. So I, I do, I, I want to ask you because we didn't get into this beforehand and we've brought it up a couple times here because you brought up diet. I am one that when I have anybody that I train and, and especially pros and people that are wanting to take a bunch of stuff and I break it down like this, I always tell people I'm looking at three layers and this, this is where I really want your opinion. I'm looking at diet, I'm looking at training and I'm looking at supplementation. Whether that's natural supplements, whether that's performance enhancing drugs, I don't care. Just put it all into one group. And I've always preached this and I stand by it to this day. When we're talking Results and health, 70 to 75% of what you encounter and occur is going to be diet related. 20 to 25% is going to be you're working out and 5 to less percent is going to be whatever the extra things that you're taking. And I'm not talking about things you need that are essential. I'm talking about extra shit. What is your thinking on that? Do you think I'm onto something there or do you think I'm nuts?

A (53:22)

No, I think you're onto something. It's definitely more diet and food and how, what, when what macros you're eating and when you're eating is really important, especially for women, I will say more so than for women than men. Nervous system dysregulation, being in fly or fight and sometimes things like mold, water damage in the home can make people. You can eat like a mouse and like it doesn't matter if the inflammation, if your crp, your inflammation is off the charts, you know, your blood sugars are dysregulated. Good luck. Because the working out and the, and the eating can out replace that. But in general, for the general person, yes, it's all diet and not as much in the gym as people think.

B (54:06)

Yeah, I mean I listen, I'm a workoutaholic, so. But you can't outwork A diet, you just can't. Yeah. And I see so many people try to do that, and it's not possible. I hate to break it to everybody, but it's not. You can't do it. Let me ask you this then, since we're on that topic. And, and look, I'm a nutritionist, so I structure everything person to person, and it's all situational based on so many factors. But let's just talk more generalized here on your. You know, what you feel. And I was one that suffered from lipophobia most of my life. The fear of fats and just not practicing what I preach. And for me, once I made the dietary changes and embraced fat and actually made it a big percentage of my diet where it's like 40 protein, 40 fat, 15 to 20% carb. I'm. Sometimes I go about 42%, you know, each protein, fat. Everything's changed for me for so much of the better. Like, I'm a big proponent of animal proteins, fats. I'm, I'm not scared of carbs, but I believe that on the lower end, under a hundred grams is generally where I like to keep it. High protein is of the most importance in my view. What's your stance on diet? I'm curious.

A (55:20)

I agree with you. You know, I. When I started counting my macros, it was really enlightening because you can do fat and you could do carbs, but you can't do them together because that's where people push the edge. So you kind of have to choose one. And fat helps you absorb things better. It helps you absorb your vitamins and minerals better. And I think that that is, you're. You're really onto something. Like, I get up, I try to have 20 to 30 grams of proteins within protein within an hour of waking up.

B (55:45)

There you go.

A (55:45)

Within an hour. Like, you don't need to drink coffee and sit and like stretch out your metabolism till all of a sudden the coffee ends and you're starving and you stuffing your face at like 10am this is what all. Everyone I talk to, I will. My patients do this. So that's why I feel like I have to say it here. And then, you know, people will starve themselves all day long until the end of the day and they'll have like a feast. Right. And they'll just snack starting at 7pm all night long.

B (56:10)

Yeah, right. And it's a carb feast.

A (56:12)

Normally, yeah, if it was protein, it would be better. But I tell people you really need 20 to 30 grams of protein. At least each meal. You really need to not be starving yourself and drinking coffee throughout the day to do so. And you really need to be careful as a woman. Intermittent fasting is a wonderful thing, but you have to be careful as a woman that you're regulated, regulated enough in a safe enough place to do that. Right. I'm a proponent all day long in the right scenario.

B (56:35)

Yes. I'll just so, you know, like, for, for me personally and I don't structure everybody like this, but when I get up within about 45 minutes, I, I do the higher protein, but it's simply just full fat Greek yogurt with, with the protein powder that I had mixed in it because I can't eat a lot in the morning. But that is so sufficient right before I go for a morning walk. That's how I do it. Right. And then I have coffee after like two hours of being up. And I don't eat my first full meal till about three and a half to four hours being up. But it's very, very protein fat heavy. And that's the one meal where I have a little bit more carb because I have one piece of bread with like a ton of avocado and eggs and, you know, cooked in butter. And then it progressively gets. Yes. And it's just lower carb then and just heavier fats and proteins the rest of the way through, whether it's salmon or ground beef. I do mix in like heavy amounts of lean chicken when I do a little bit lower fat day. But it has transitioned and worked into like this just insanely beautiful, like, diet pattern.

A (57:43)

I mean, you know what, this studies what fat does and keto does too. I mean, not say you're doing a full keto diet, but you're, you're heavy on the fats and, and, and the protein, which is great. And we know from the keto diet, this is the diet of the brain. Like if you want to stop epilepsy and seizures, do a keto diet.

B (57:59)

Yeah, I, like I said, I'm not terrified of carbs, but what I found is that you keep it on the lower side and, and really work on doing the other two and establishing the other two as your primaries. It, it really makes drastic changes. It really does. Now your LDL can go up a little bit. It will. But your hdl, your triglycerides, everything else, the other markers go down, or your HDL goes up, but your triglycerides go down. I'm sorry. And other markers will drastically improve. So then, then that poses the question I want to ask you, let's say LDL is, you know, a hundred, right. And or 120, where that's looked at like that statin level for doctors. But let's say that's on a person that's got beautiful blood markers, high fat diet. What do you say to that?

A (58:46)

I'm going to tell you what I say every day when I'm reading that lab because I get that lab in my blood work for everyone that comes in the clinic. They get a big, huge blood work panel and inflammatory labs, full iron, full thyroid, full cholesterol panel. So I look at it every day and I tell people if Your LDL is 120 and above, that's what I consider it, high. So you, if you look at the statistics they've raised the, or, sorry, lowered the reference ranges of LDL and you know, lvldl, all the different cholesterol panels, they've lowered that range throughout the years, throughout the decade.

B (59:19)

And so let's say what, what's your ideal range then for LDL and total cholesterol and HDL I don't consider total.

A (59:28)

You know, high until about 2 20, LDL, high till 120. The HDL I really like to be above 50 or 60, really, for good cholesterol. And then I, you know, it's important. The really, the most important markers are like apoa, apob, which are the real, the real ones that are smaller, that can oxidize in the plaques or cause plaques within the vessels easier.

B (59:47)

So. Right.

A (59:48)

Really want to pay attention to.

B (59:50)

Yes. LPOB particle sizes, things that don't get tested. That's all I want to look at. You know, for the most part, of course, I want to see all of the numbers, but those are the ones I really focus on that tell me the most.

A (60:02)

That's right, exactly. And it really matters, you know, the ratios, things are in like you can't just look at a single marker. You need to look at the whole panel and then look at the liver enzymes and the biliary tree and how, you know, liver makes the cholesterol, then turn all into all the sex hormones, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. So if I see a real bad cholesterol panel that's skewed, I know their hormones are coming to be skewed as well.

B (60:24)

Right. 100%. So you do, then you, you do full blood panel analyzations. You do basically everything in terms of what you do at your practice or do a specific specialty that people seek you out for.

A (60:38)

Yes, I'm known as the mold doctor. So I do a lot of water damage, homes, a lot of mold mystery illnesses in general, which end up being things like Lyme disease, parasites as co infections, activated Epstein Barr virus or other viruses, mold, as I mentioned, and then environmental toxicities. I do a lot of breast implant illness. I do a lot of infected root canals that are silent within the body, that cause autoimmunity, heart issues, things like that. Because all of them, just about all of them fail after about eight to 10 years. So I'm, I consider myself Sherlock Holmesing people's health when there's mystery symptoms that other people can't figure out.

B (61:11)

Talk to me about the root canal thing because I've had like 30 and I. Yeah, and it's gonna spin around backwards.

A (61:20)

Are you serious?

B (61:21)

Yeah. So it's been a fear of mine. And I know I've talked to some other people about how severe those can be. So talk about what can happen with those and what like long term, you know, needs to be concerned about with.

A (61:34)

Root canals, you know, it's the only place we lived dead necrotic tissue and think it's okay. And you know, they often leave the periodontal ligament which tells the body that there's not a problem there. But each tooth has thousands of porous channels where bacteria can hide. Each tooth has a nerve that runs from the tooth up into the cranial canal that viruses and parasites can traverse, causing a lot of different cranial path pathogenic invasions. And we all know that when you go to the cardiologist, if you're going to have, have your teeth worked on, if there's anything wrong with your balance, they give you an antibiotic before you get your tool because you can spray embolic bacteria from the teeth and the gums into the body systemically actually. Right. So endocarditis that way. And so the teeth are such a big deal. Each tooth represents a whole organ system through the meridian channel from Chinese medicine. So like for example, I saw someone yesterday who had a root canal right on these front teeth. He was suffering with erectile dysfunction. And that's the same meridian as the sex organs. So and oftentimes I'll take for example my business partner, he'd seen 30 different doctors, had brain fog, fatigue. He had a traumatic accident as a child, had two root canals here in the front two teeth. He had a cone beam scan, which is what I suggest anyone with root canals to have is a 3D cone beam scan. They can evaluate the integrity of the root canals. Oftentimes there'll be a pocket of simmering infection at the top that looks translucent. And only a trained eye can see it on those scans. Because regular dentists don't think anything's wrong with root canals. So you have to have a holistic or biological dentist read it who has a trained eye to look at these scans. When you. When we pulled these out from my business partner because the three convenience scan was actually negative. But I kind of said, I've done everything for you. I detox you. This is the last thing left. When they pulled it out, it was black with cyst on it. It smelled like death. I've had so many people tell me the same story, hundreds of my patients. And literally their brain fog, their autoimmunity, their joint pains, their infertility problems go away after they remove this root canal that then has like simmering pockets of infection and pus that come out when they pull it out. And it's very obvious if there's any pain, discoloration, weird taste in your mouth, anything like that. There's a problem with the root canal. If you trace back your history and most of your symptoms started, you know, right when that root canal started or after the root canal, you have to consider. Consider it. Wow.

B (63:47)

Okay. Good to know. Now I'm gonna have to talk to you off air about this then.

A (63:53)

Yeah, we're friends now. You have my number.

B (63:55)

Yeah. Anything else in mystery Land that is common that people would overlook for you? That is something that you just. If I'm an everyday person that you would never even think of. That is a. But something that causes a lot of problems and that you kind of. If they come into you and you go, oh, yeah, I already know what that is. And it's something we would never know all the time.

A (64:19)

I mean, think like the teeth is a big one. Root canals, mercury fillings, breast implants are another one. Any sort of titanium in the body can cause rheumatoid arthritis. There's a new study with five titanium implants. There's like a something outrageous, like 20, 25% increase in rheumatoid arthritis. Really? Parasites are a big one too, to be honest with you. And people tell me, oh, I feel better when I leave my house. I must be on vacation. I'll always find water damage in their house. I have a brand new house, Million million dollar Castle. It doesn't matter. I'll still find mold of water damage behind the walls. Because their body is telling me there's a problem with parasites. If you grind your teeth at night, you have intermittent rectal itching. You have a dairy sensitivity. You're worse with insomnia and anxiety around the full moons, which mirrors their life cycles. That is parasitic in nature for me. So there's a lot of different symptoms that you can tease out here with people and usually it's because there's a foreign body, something's been ripped out of the body that need to be that the body needed. There's a foreign object in the body that shouldn't be there, or there's something in their local environment they are constantly exposed to that's keeping them sick.

B (65:23)

Wow. Okay. There's a lot, a lot, a lot here that people just would never be aware of and I love being able to talk about this. So I know we're, we're late and I'm sorry but there's just so many good things. Tell people how they can hire you or follow you or find you. Like give us the breakdown here. I'll link it in the description. But, but let's talk about how we can get with you for help for sure.

A (65:49)

So I always say there are levels to working with me or not. If you guys want to go the most affordable route. I cut a lot of free information on social media. I educate a lot on there. So if you guys are do do your due diligence, you can learn a lot from my Instagram account which is D Rperiod J E S S period MD and I'm also on YouTube. Dr. Jessica Petross if you guys want to actually learn or do it yourself. I have a wellnessplus.com platform where it's all my protocols are put on that platform videos. Do it yourself. If you'd still rather work one on one with me, that's also an option. Hurry, quick. I'm booking out till January, but it's Dr. Jess Health and I have a whole team that have been trained in my protocols there and we have packages, so five or eight month packages for anyone interested.

B (66:38)

Awesome. Well, I appreciate the time, the information, the conversation and working through technical problems and scheduling and all of it. I we were going to make this one work and that and I'm so glad that we kept determined on it because this was gold in every way that you can imagine it to be.

A (66:57)

Oh thanks. I really hope that people listen to this and they thought, they think, gosh, that's the answer I've been looking for and there's hope for me yet. I that's my goal is when people hear this, they have some hope that their body is not failing them. It's actually really smart and alerting to them to something that we are smart enough to figure out.

B (67:15)

Right? Absolutely. Well, thank you again for your time, your efforts and the conversation. And we may have to do a part two on this because I think that we didn't get to a fraction of things that we probably could have. But this was really good. And I once again, like I said, thank you for your time, and we will put this out there and help as many people as possible.

A (67:38)

Thank you so much for having me, Dylan, I'm really honored. Thanks for helping me get the mission out.

B (67:43)

Absolutely. All right, everybody. Well, that wraps up another one. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli and Dr. Jess signing off. Sat.