Episode #78 Featuring Dr. Anthony G. Beck! A no BS approach to cracking the code on TRUE health obtainment! Sifting through facts and calling out nonsense with health and biohacking!

Summary

The Dylan Gemelli Podcast – Episode #78 Featuring Dr. Anthony G. Beck

A No-BS Approach to Cracking the Code on True Health, Sifting Through Facts, and Calling Out Nonsense in Health and Biohacking
Date: January 8, 2026
Host: Dylan Gemelli
Guest: Dr. Anthony G. Beck

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, deep-dive conversation between host Dylan Gemelli and Dr. Anthony G. Beck—a globally respected authority in integrative and functional medicine and the creator of the Balance Protocol. The pair challenge the confusion and dogma rampant in health and biohacking circles, advocating for a personalized, data-driven approach to health rather than falling for trendy, one-size-fits-all protocols and supplements. Both take a critical stance on marketing hype, biases in the wellness industry, and the pitfalls of over-simplified advice, focusing instead on empowering individuals to understand their unique biochemistry through rigorous testing and whole-systems analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “No BS” Mission – Cutting Through Health Industry Noise

• Dr. Beck stresses his focus on being great at his craft—not on fame—by training clinicians and refining the Balance Protocol to secure real clinical outcomes. (03:26)
• There’s acknowledgement of problematic “bad actors” and hype in the biohacking/supplement world, as well as the resilience of both mainstream and alternative echo chambers.
• Quote:
  • "I've been a clinician. I haven't been working on getting famous. I've been working on becoming great in my craft." – Dr. Beck (03:27)

2. Integrative, Functional Medicine—What Does It Actually Mean?

• Dr. Beck explains integrative medicine as the pragmatic combination of evidence-based, conventional, and alternative approaches, embracing the value in both while rejecting dogma and strict allegiance to any one system. (08:10–09:11)
• Critique of terms like “root cause” or “holistic” as often poorly defined or misused marketing hooks (functional medicine is not just supplement lists for symptoms).

3. Dangers of DIY Health & Biohacking without Data

• Many people self-experiment based on social media hearsay, leading to poor or dangerous choices—e.g., unmonitored prednisone use causing serious consequences (06:16–07:57).
• "No pill, potion, powder, gadget or gizmo can truly be given to you in the absence of knowing your story... much less, your data." – Dr. Beck (13:06)

4. Why Personalized Medicine is Non-Negotiable

• Both speakers decry mass-marketed “one-size-fits-all” diets, supplements, and protocols.
• Dylan and Dr. Beck stress the need for comprehensive data and context: detailed lab panels, family history, genetics, lifestyle factors, etc.
  • "I'm not telling everybody to eat a certain way. Some people do need to be carnivore, some people need to be vegan. It's all on the table." – Dr. Beck (22:37)
• The pace and complexity of ‘biohacking’ should always be determined by actual test results, not trends.

5. “More is Better” Mentality Debunked

• The hosts caution against the popular idea that more supplements, more gadgets, or doing everything at once guarantees better results (17:58–20:54).
• Real clinical rigor and critical thinking must filter fads and social media advice.

6. The Balance Protocol – Dr. Beck’s Comprehensive Framework

• Introduction to the Balance Protocol: a whole-systems, individualized approach assessing air, water, light, sound, EMF, food, environment, lifestyle, mind, and nutrition. (33:08–34:30)
• Emphasis on order of operations: foundational elements come before experimenting with advanced treatments.
• All health decisions should be guided by biochemical individuality and real-time lab data, involving over 125 biomarkers and 10 key genetic SNPs in one curated lab array developed with Genova Diagnostics. (38:01–41:55)
• Lab covers: mitochondrial function, amino/fatty acids, minerals, heavy metals, functional methylation, neurotransmitters, and more.
• “You need data… Let me show you... just like food, alcohol, water… there comes a time—when’s the exit?” – Dr. Beck (56:37)

7. Debunking Popular Health Myths

• Criticism of marketing surrounding certain ingredients or gene SNPs, such as the oversold importance of MTHFR for methylation.
  • "[People say] 'everybody needs to be on a methylated vitamin.' That's... No, you don't!" – Dr. Beck (27:20)
• Context is everything—what works in one environment, or for one person, may not for another (“context cubed”: location, environment, individual biochemistry).

8. Critical Thinking, Transparency, and Industry Disruption

• Both argue that genuine health professionals must be willing to say “I don’t know” and avoid blanket advice; only personalized, transparent reasoning builds lasting trust. (27:59–28:15)
• Dr. Beck describes operating as a disruptive force: “If anybody’s method or approach requires one side to be silenced, they're the ones that are the baby-cut-in-half people.” (45:09)
• Self-filtering: their rigorous, evidence-based approach naturally repels the impatient or trend-chasing crowd, attracting those looking for real solutions. (20:34)

9. The Pitfalls of Conventional and Alternative Dogma

• Mainstream doctors and functional/holistic practitioners often fall into the same traps—prescribing without context, managing symptoms rather than systems, and not considering lifestyle/environment. (51:05)
• Both argue for integrating the best of all systems—“I have to know your story and the data.” – Dr. Beck (13:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On learning from patients:
  • "My patients have been my greatest teachers. Yes, I've earned 23 letters at the end of my name, but I don't use any of them.” – Dr. Beck (05:05)
• On the supplement and health marketing industry:
  • “The entire market thrives on cognitive dissonance... vegan, plant-based, carnivore, all sides need you to buy into a niche.” – Dr. Beck (13:15)
• On context and one-size-fits-all solutions:
  -"If anybody’s approach requires one side to be silenced, they're the ones that want to cut the baby in half.” – Dr. Beck (45:09)
  • “Sleep, prayer, meditation, laughter, hobbies, community—that’s not sexy, but it’s fundamental health.” – Dr. Beck (31:18)
• On the power and risk of placebo:
  • “Placebo and nocebo are incredible and we should leverage them.” – Dr. Beck (52:07)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:26–07:57: Dr. Beck’s journey, mission, the illusion of “biohacking” without evidence, and dangers of self-experimentation.
• 08:10–11:35: The definition of integrative medicine vs. mainstream and “holistic” pitfalls.
• 13:15–17:23: Debating “industry niches,” biochemical individuality, why you can’t prescribe without context.
• 22:37–27:59: Personalization, “context cubed” principle, reason behind contradictions in health advice, myth-busting.
• 29:52–34:53: Foundations before fads—a true “root cause” approach, why gut isn’t always first.
• 38:01–41:55: Inside the new “super-panel” lab and Balance Protocol GPS.
• 51:05–56:37: Critique of education/indoctrination of health professionals, dangers of marketing over science, and decision making for your own health.
• 61:24–62:13: Popular genetic markers (e.g., MTHFR), debunking supplement sales tactics.
• 62:13–end: Dylan expresses admiration for Dr. Beck’s disruption, teases a future deep-dive on his lab results, and both encourage listeners to seek an individualized, informed approach to health.

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Episode Flow & Tone

The tone is forthright, conversational, and unscripted, laced with humor, mutual respect, and a clear focus on empowering the listener. Both men are passionately anti-dogma and pro-critical thinking, keen to inspire their audiences to demand more of their health providers and themselves. Tangents and clinical anecdotes are used liberally to drive home the point: there is no shortcut, no protocol, no supplement, no hack that beats knowing your body through real, rigorous, whole-systems evidence.

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For Listeners: Takeaways

• Be skeptical of hype, fear-based marketing, and “root cause” fads—insist on context and data.
• Reject one-size-fits-all advice: your health decisions should reflect your unique story, genetics, labs, and lifestyle.
• Look for clinicians or advisors open to nuance, who will say “I don’t know” and who prioritize your education and self-efficacy.
• Explore the Balance Protocol GPS (balanceprotocolgps.com) if interested in guided, comprehensive testing as a foundation for truly personalized health optimization.

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[Note: Advertisements, show intros/outros, and product plugs outside of core educational content were omitted.]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

So thank that, thank you for inviting me, man. I needed a little trip out to the desert.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Well, I got a little dry nose. You know, this Arizona, I'm a Florida boy, so you know, perfect. My throat might be a little off here.

[A]

I can't say enough about my guest today. I'm going to try to give you the intro you deserve, but I can't really sum it up into words, but he's a physician, he's a clinical researcher, he's a world renowned authority in integrative and functional medicine. He's got 30, yes, 30 years of professional clinical experience and he's not that old. So that tells you he's been going and over a hundred thousand patient encounters across six continents. Now one of the things we're going to talk about today is he is the creator of the Balance protocol which I have been blessed now to learn about, that we're going to talk about. But it's a whole systems wellness Approach. And it enables you to understand how your unique biochemistry holds the keys to moving you to ultimate well being. He's a leading expert in functional nutrition, epigenetics, nutraceutical science. I could go on and on and on. He's a sought after speaker. He's got a damn sweet book. He's got some products to talk about. So My friends welcome Dr. Anthony Beck.

[B]

Nice. Oh, love it, love it.

[A]

I'm known for my intros, bro. That's all I'm good at.

[B]

So about all that, that's not how you got to number one, baby.

[A]

Oh, man, look, you know the biohacking industry, you know the health, the supplement, all of it. It, it all. There's some great people and there's some bad actors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's your mission?

[B]

Well, and that's just it. I mean, at the end of the day, I've been a clinician. I haven't been working on getting famous. I've been working on becoming great in my craft and training other clinicians around the world in balance protocol. And so that way we can get fantastic clinical outcomes, right? Yes, I'm a capitalist, but I'm a contrarian Christian and constitutionalist for all my Cs. But I'm all in there while we're getting to know each other. But the thing is, is with that, is that I have had the blessing of people seeking me out when all of that n equals 1 and quantum and biohacking goes awry. Because if there's, if there's power in mechanisms and various molecules, supplements, protocols and so forth, that means they exert an effect on the body. Well, most of the time people are exploring those things as they should. I'm a big advocate of a person taking control of their health care. And without any quantification. Yeah, they're really just going, oh, well, I heard, you know, microplastics, but they're not testing for them. Well, I heard about mycotoxins, but. Okay, well, I did the microtoxin test so that I'm going to detox and then they're doing detoxes and it's parasites and it's heavy metals and it's Candida and it's. And it's. All these things could truly be true. But they're just trying things. And I applaud that because you don't give up hope. Right. And what's so funny is when I stand up for certain things out there on the. Because being an integrative physician, I embrace the good of both sides, if you will. The holistic. I'm a naturopath and a doctor of oriental medicine by education. So that's where the doctor part comes from. So I'm not a medical doctor, so I don't deal in prescriptions or treating diseases. Never been my model. But being in the integrative and functional medicine realms, you. You get your. Your hands in a lot of things. Patients who want to try things. It's a different demographic. You know, there's a certain amount of people who will only go conventional medicine, and there's other people that will only go this. And that's a sad place to be. And I understand both for doing it. One side is like, well, these guys are quacks or not a real doctor. And I get all that. And then there's like, oh, my gosh, I would never go see another doctor again because all they do is push down drugs. And then. So they both are true. Those are their. That's their encounters, their story. And so I've heard all those. I tell people famously that my patients have been my greatest teachers. Right? So, yes, I've earned, like, 23 letters at the end of my name, but I don't use any of them because I'm a. I'm a person who has gotten into the stories of so many patients, and they tell me what they've tried, and they've done this and they've done that, and when the failures happen, they don't post those on social media. Everybody's always talking about, hey, I tried this, and it was great. But then when things go awry, I have one right now down in Columbia. He heard about taking some prednisone, and he started taking prednisone because of histamine reactions and stuff. And he was n equals 1 in it. And lo and behold, he hits me up on WhatsApp. This is literally just two weeks ago, and asking me to basically, you know, save his life down there. And I told him, of course, go to the hospital. Yeah, okay. Because he was taking 30 milligrams a day. No. And people don't realize that, like, prednisone is what we call four times physiologic. Yeah, Right. So it's the same thing as 120ish, which is ironic. Real sidebar. I mean, we can go forever. That's actually how I got into this field, is because my mother had a nasal infection. She went to the doctors when she was younger, and they gave her a shot of prednisone, put her into a coma. When she came out of the Coma. She was a type 1 diabetic.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So that many? But now check this out. I love prednisone. It's a fantastic. When used properly. That's correct. There's a great book called the Safe Uses of Cortisol. Yeah, look at that. That changed my life. So anyways, so this gentleman, a friend and patient of mine, we have to do a titration program which is stop him cold turkey. But the moral of the story is he was trying it without any testing or looking at it and now he's paying the price. So we've got him stabilized and he's back home. He's doing fantastic. We've got him down to 12 and a half milligrams. Anyways. So that is my passion, is to give patients a clinical framework and a method that can guide them in these things. It's the order of operations. It's not whether it's this is right or wrong, it's just here's where it falls into play.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So that's the long answer to a short question.

[A]

So you said integrative and a lot of people hear these terms, naturopathic, integrative and you know, I get it, average everyday person doesn't know what that means.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when you say integrative, what does that actually mean? What does that consist of for you? Does that mean that you're taking each sides of the equation, piecing them together and you're kind of like the guy that has the answers, that utilizes all aspects. Because like you said, some people go one way, some people go the other. I always feel that it's best to stay down the middle and use all your options.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because they're both having positives and obviously having negatives.

[B]

Absolutely correct. And so that's what that is. So there's different terms. Yeah, you know, complementary alternative medicine. Yes, those different. That's a department within. Within, you know that. I mean, so it's in medicine that's there. So integrative is exactly that. It integrates conventional allopathic modalities with things that work in our evidence based. Okay. But it's also limited. It can be pretty obtuse on a lot of things. But like for instance, there's even, you know, board certified, you know, plastic surgeons that we use Arnica. And Arnica is a homeopathic.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And we know that it works. Okay. Things like that. Okay. But then there's some people that will say, well we're. I'm going to use, you know, this herb for this disease state. We see that in the. In the holistic. That's why I call it holistic. That's my. I have to beat up on. Because you just get this whole list of stuff.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I remember back in the day in. In the health food stores, you probably remember this too, that prescription for nutritional healing by that couple who wrote it. Yes. And people go on there and they go, oh, I have psoriasis when you take all of these. So it was really good for selling supplements. And it still happens. And you could tell that in my functional world. So I was one of the early pioneers and adopters in that. Back in. Right around circa 1994. 95.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

@ the end of the day, it's grown. And then people use the term root cause medicine. These terms are clumsy tools because you'll say root cause, but then they name things like inflammation. Right. But that's like saying automobile, of course. Right. So a motorcycle is an automobile. And so is, you know, a big old ram truck that's sitting out front. Pretty dope truck. Yeah. You like that? It does my style. So both are automobiles, but two totally different performances. Everything. So they'll use terms like that or leaky gut or adrenal fatigue or sibo. And even though they're saying they're treating the root cause. No, they're not. They're using the exact same model as conventional does, which is treating a name, blame it, claim it, tame it, game entity with a list of supplements. You know, the medicine cabinet of.

[A]

Spices. Tricky verbiage.

[B]

Rearrangement. And it's brilliant sales and marketing I'm horrible.

[A]

At. Right. But you know, a lot of people that are bad at marketing have the best.

[B]

Intentions.

[A]

Yeah. And really are more in the know on things because they're so dialed in and focused on the actual.

[B]

Facts.

[A]

Yeah. Then they are really kind of helping. Yeah. You know, and not to say that there's not good marketing, because there certainly is, but there's so much trick marketing. And that's what I love about you, in the way that you do things. You're not. You have zero fear in saying what things.

[B]

Are.

[A]

Yeah. And I know that that doesn't make you Mr. Popular, but it does to me make you Mr. Durable. Because I don't give a shit about the popularity. I care about what's going to actually truly work. Not band aids nonsense that's going in and out that you peeing right out. Not trying to do 25 things at once when you only need two.

[B]

Things when that's just it. As, I mean, the patients to Their own got to give them a hard time too because they've done this. Yeah. Is they're in the now business. Yeah, I know. So, for instance, you know, we watch TV and you can only advertise pharmaceuticals. Ask your doctor if it's, this is right for you. So they can do that on open TV and media and social media. It's, you know, hey, this does this, you know, and it's great for, you know, fatigue, insomnia, libido, muscle skeletal pain. Right. And then the next thing, the routine is what I call the Furious Five. Right. So, you know, gut issues and pain and you know, insomnia. And then it's always that. What we call top of mind awareness is what I've learned from my marketing thing because I'm actually the physician to a lot of the famous people that out there in the marketing. So big. So, you know, and I've, I've gone out to San Diego, I've stayed with some of these big names. I'm not going to name drop and because they tried a bunch of stuff and then I'm behind the scenes and like, hey, listen, let's do this. And then they're like, well, Beck, you need to pick a niche. You need to niche down. You need to go, okay, autoimmune or women's autoimmune? Women's autoimmune. And I said, I can't do.

[A]

That.

[B]

Right. Because I don't deal in diseases, I don't diagnose, I don't treat diseases. I support systems for everyone. And so, yes, you're a homeo sapien, but you have a biochemical individuality and a unique story and a genetics like anybody and like no one else. And so you have to know what you're dealing with in order for any of that stuff. So no pill, potion, powder, gadget or gizmo can truly be given to you in the absence of knowing your story, much less what I do is your data of your system. Now you can try it. I'm not saying that, you know, I mean, it's like, say like a, any car or automobile can get you from point A to point.

[A]

B.

[B]

Right. Okay. There's tons of stuff like that. But I go, that wastes you a lot of time and money. And then in the meantime, things don't get better all at the, you know, advance of other companies. And it's, that's really the epitome of what happens with the lure of the multi level marketing stuff. Right. And, and so those models thrive on that. But the Entire market thrives on cognitive dissonance. Y it, it depends upon that for you to be a carnivore. Vegan plant based B.

[A]

B. And it's just like when I tell people what I've done with my diet and they're like, well, are you going full keto? And I'm like, no, no, no. I'm just taking combinations of what works for.

[B]

Me. That's.

[A]

It. It is not a name of anything. It's Dylan's dialed in diet and.

[B]

You know how you feel. Okay. Because that's how it is. Thank goodness we're not veterinarians who can treat a snake and a hamster. They don't even talk. The patient doesn't even talk. But so you know what works? So I listen to the patient. That's the most important part. Because the patient is my boss. They're in control. I just work for them and see, conventional medicine won't say.

[A]

That.

[B]

No. Why? Because somebody else is paying the bill when you use insurance in case of shit and when you use insurance and he, he who pays the bills makes the rules, they determine what goes on. Well, I tell people to demand a higher level of health care from their providers and the first thing in order to hold them to task is to tell them, you work for.

[A]

Me.

[B]

Right. You don't have to ask. Can I get this test done? Well, yeah. Someone else is going to pay for it. Yeah. So back to in cases such as yourself, you know, we did some testing and the cool thing is is now we can dial you in. So I'll support you. I mean I've started and that was my background, sports medicine, exercise fizz. And so I've worked with a lot of. You were just at Mr. Olympia and all kinds of stuff. I've worked with those guys, Mr. Virginia, back in the day, in the early 90s, I managed valleys and sold gym memberships when I was in school. We did all that fun stuff and people are on gear or taking songs there. Okay. Right. And you're not going to have them not do.

[A]

That.

[B]

Right. That's their mentality. It's just like, you know, I have famous patients that are in mixed martial arts and things like that and you know, top performers in spartan and tough munters and all that kind of fun stuff and big name biohackers. The thing is though is they're. Some of them get paid. That's their job, is to abuse themselves. It makes no sense to sit there and get your head knocked around. But they're going to do it Anyway, so I'm not to judge, I'm saying, okay, if you're going to do that, let's at least get some data to see what the consequences are so you can make better things. And everybody's wanting that performance, you know, because if you can, if you can add a pound to someone's PR or reduce their time by 10 seconds, those are, that's massive, that's sponsorships. So we all want that. And you know, a lot of, a lot of people out there like to go after, I know, sports teams and all that kind of fun stuff. And that's all great for marketing. But bringing this around is that I will help people support whatever they want to do, but we have to have that trusting relationship. I have to know. And then we says, okay, let's see what the data says. In other words, if you want to push harder in this, here's the systems that you have to look at, right? And say, we're not going to go on fancy gear. Let's just talk about something like hormone. Okay. They're like people like gentlemen on testosterone or women on vaginal estrogen. Profound. I mean, in 2005-8 I was lecturing at a 4am AMMG and teaching other doctors bioidentical hormone replacement. Yeah, a lot of them are my students out there. Okay. The thing is though is they have their place. But where my thing was, was letting people know that you can put hormones on, but they're all governed by vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, right? So you better assess those if you're going to do them, not just put them in. And so everybody's like, well, these are the things that raise testosterone cells real good for dudes, right? But who says you need more? And who says that if you put, I mean, you ever seen the movie Fast and the Furious? You know, you put too much in there and the system can't handle.

[A]

It.

[B]

Right? That's what happens. So that's where I'm going with this, is because I really, whenever I try to make a difference in the health space, I call it the noise and confusion of the infospace. I ramble like this because I have a limited amount of time to let them know the met. There is a different message. And this is why you and I connect. And what is so cool is because how could we blend that efficiency and direction, but still honor and respect people's decisions to want to do these things and not poo poo any of these other companies that are providing a fantastic product.

[A]

Right? Yeah, it's this more is always better concept that we live by. What I. Here's one of the things that you and I speak the same language on, and it's a variety of things, but in particular, what I. When we were talking, when I was driving home and I told you, like the light bulb went off and I was like, I don't think you realize what you got.

[B]

Here.

[A]

It's. It's the, it's the ability to be able to convey that this is so singular. So I coached. When I really started, I was doing videos, I discovered peptides, and I was talking about steroids. Those are the two things that made me get millions of followers. Okay. And no one was talking about him. And I had a great deal of understanding, but I would constantly get comments and questions, well, can I run this? Can I run that cycle? Can I do this? Same with bodybuilders. And I'll say, first of all, I'm not your dad. You can do whatever you want to.

[B]

Do. You don't.

[A]

Need. Secondly, I don't know if I don't sit and have a full blown 30 minute to an hour conversation with you. I don't know your family history, I don't know anything about your current values. I need to see panels. I need to see this. And that just pisses people off, doesn't.

[B]

It? Oh, because you didn't give me the answer that I.

[A]

Want. Exactly. And it's like, hey, man, you can go ask any schmo out there what you want, and they can tell you what you want to hear. And then you. Then two, three months later, not only have you lost all your gains, you got no libido. You're wondering why your liver's jack, where your kidneys blown up, and why everything else is fucked up on.

[B]

You. That's.

[A]

Right. And it's because you just wanted the answer that you.

[B]

Wanted. And you. Listen, I'm not the clinician for everyone. There are certain people that we just. I just don't resonate with. Yeah, it's totally okay. I have other clinicians in my method that I match them too, because I, I do that because other people that are. My personality is different. And you know, I'm. I'm a. I'm a ball breaker for sure. Sure. And I'm very fatigued. Some people need a little bit more coddling and that's fine. I respect everybody where they.

[A]

Are.

[B]

But. And that's just. It is. They're in that now business and they want what they want. So those people, that's fine. They're going to be there. We're not a match. But those who want to apply the rule of rigor to do things the right way, in the right order over time to get there with, with, without these downsides because there's a lot and you're not hearing about them. You know what I mean? I was, I was just on a podcast recently and of course you probably saw the thing this is relevant to this was, you know, debating urine therapy. I'm, I'm, I oppose it. I think it's a ruse, it's a scam, it's a fraud for clicks to sell private label supplements. Right. And cheap photobiomodulation products from Alibaba. That's what it is. Okay, but they need that sizzle. Those people that were. That, that resonates with. They don't come to me. So it's self filtering. So I'm fine with all.

[A]

That.

[B]

Yeah. You know, but then I also get, you know, we have our executives, you know, our top, our C suite people, and they just want all the cool stuff. Then I want the superhuman package. I want $150,000, you know, for a light bed, you know, a PEMF mat and an oxygen machine. I'm going, dude, you got a lot to do all that for about.

[A]

40. The FU money that you just got to throw.

[B]

Around. And then they get nowhere, you know, and they do their little executive screenings and it's fun that they can.

[A]

Tell everybody they got the.

[B]

Stuff. That's.

[A]

It. And take them to their room with all their.

[B]

Shit. Yeah. And then they, then those are the same ones who are like, well, you know what? Now I'm going to open a med bed spot for, you know, or these, you know, these screening clinics. And you come in and we do all this stuff and it's all end result things. It's not foundational. It doesn't get into. You could guide me there because I'll start talking about my lab array that I curated. So. But that's what they do. And this is what we wanted to talk about was what is the problem now in our industry? It's got a lot of media and people now know about red light therapy or photo myrmodulation, stuff like that. Dude, I've been doing it for 30 years. I mean, I've been using, you know, methylene blue for decades. The first peptide ever did was melanotan 2 and circa. Me too, baby. Because, you know, you know, I got a little Cherokee in me. I can tan. But, but I'm an Irish.

[A]

Boy. I got Some stories for you on that one.

[B]

Man. Boy, I went a little heavy. The nausea. And I'm walking through the grocery.

[A]

Store and I'm going, dude, I lived in Maui when I did it. Do you want to know how dark I was? I literally.

[B]

Had. He's hanging 10.

[A]

Man. We was on the longboard two days. I stayed home because I was.

[B]

Embarrassed. Yeah. It won't go.

[A]

Away. No.

[B]

No. I still have, you know, moles from it. But see, so peptides are cool. Yeah. And those are fabulous. But I know that's all the rage. Research purposes only. But. But yeah, so that's where we're going. This why we have so much fun is because all the stuff is there. But I think now the market is ready for the message that. How about you find a way to find your.

[A]

Way?

[B]

Yeah. And that's what I bring. That's totally different. Right. I'm not telling everybody to eat a certain way. Some people do need to be carnivore, some people need to be vegan. Some people need to do different things. It's all on the table. But I will show you the inclusionary and exclusionary criteria for you specifically and show you that when it gets to here, you might have to.

[A]

Shift. But do you see why you're.

[B]

Unpopular?

[A]

Yes. No. But. But here is.

[B]

The. Being in the middle. I was like. And I've been accused of that on, on other shows. Like I wasn't that convenient for you to just be both.

[A]

Sides? Well, the problem is, is because what you do when it's, when it's going, okay, you need this, you need that, you need that. You're not telling the whole room you need to go buy this thing. Yeah.

[B]

Right. The perfect human diet or every homeo Saban needs.

[A]

A. You're. You're hurting somebody that's trying to sell to everybody. And that's the problem with you. That I love nice. Well, because I'm here for the people. I listen. Any human that will get on anywhere and act like they, oh, I'm just going to do that for free. I'm going to do that. Just stop it. Just stop.

[B]

It.

[A]

Y. Please. Because no one buys that. And it just, it pisses me off to know however, we can all make a lot of money in a great way where we're actually, we're. We're getting paid less for what we're doing because of what we're giving more of and still doing pretty damn.

[B]

Good. The issue is, is that when you start being a disruptive technology, people going to come at you, of course, and that's fine. Okay. I love people to substantiate their claims. Okay. What I do is I share my professional clinical experience now on the. I've even got a great chart of anybody wants my mind. It's beautiful. It's very nice. You know, the pyramid of evidence. You know, we've got the meta analysis and things like that. Yeah, yeah. The top and down the bottom. Okay. Is anecdotal. Okay. Anecdotal. What business. It's still so. Yes. All my clinical cases like you talking about, I've been involved in over 100,000 between me and all the clinicians that I've trained. I've. Rapid fire. We do. We still do it to this day. It's all anecdotal. But you know what? I also know this. When I was in college, I was a midshipman for. You know, I was going to the Marine Corps. Yeah. I was where I was going to go. I was wonderful. You know, the top gun days. And I wanted to. I wanted to fly, you know, the Hornets and. Or Harriers, you know, either one, as long as it was jets, baby. But anyways. But then I ended up meeting this blonde and that changed my whole Life. We had 16 year run. But anyway, so I digress. But the thing was, is that. So I have a very strong love, you know, for the United States military. And this was. Of course, I lived, you know, down the ocean front in Virginia Beach, Virginia, right down from Little Creek. Nice. So I've always had, you know, fun with that. A lot of my patients are famous Navy seals and stuff like that. Matter of fact, tomorrow I'm going to be on one's podcast here I was coming to towns like, oh man, come and do my show too. So. So I do a philanthropy for the military special force. That's awesome. Okay. And so with that. Those dudes are crazy. Yeah. Oh yeah, the Delta dudes, you know. Anyways, no, and so my whole thing with that is is that they talk about disruptive technology, right. When you come in and you do different things, a lot of people are going to hate you for it. They're going to be very critical and whatever. But if I can be vetted and get past those sons of bitches, it's a whole different ball game, you know, And I've had them. I have one, he's a Green Beret and he named one of his twin sons after me. And there's a. There's. I've been blessed with so many cool lives like that. So I Know what we do.

[A]

Works.

[B]

Right. And so at the end of the day, what I want people to understand is, is that there are a lot. The most that with very few exceptions, 98% of the ones that you currently see with all the followers of, I got like, what, 20,000, 80,000 on TikTok. Those are people who just worked on becoming famous, and they are. They're not a source of correct information. And what the litmus I would submit to people is, can that person differentiate me within what they're saying? Because in science, evidence, anecdotal. Okay. And when we start going up the tier to stuff, and when we do the scientific method, which I love, I was told in this other podcast I was talking about urine therapy, they said I was in the cult of science. I said, yes. I said, oh, I love the scientific method. So the thing about it is, is that I said, the thing is, is in studies we do inclusionary and exclusionary criteria. You can't test for things and be pregnant or not, smoker or not. There's a lot of different.

[A]

Things. Right.

[B]

Right. There's age groups and whatever. But in. So what I want people to realize is like, well, that's not being offered in the health and wellness space. They're not different. They're telling everybody that women, you need this. Yeah, everybody needs to be on a methylated vitamin. That's. No, you.

[A]

Don'T. I love you.

[B]

Too. Because here's the deal. I see that everybody go, all right, well, he said to do a methylated vitamin. I mean, some Marty pants, but I'm going, okay. And he's Did. Has he looked at your records? Has he measured any of your stuff there? He's know your story. Does he know what your gene snips are? Oh, well, he sold me a test, you know, it's five snips, and said I had MTHFR and therefore I should take methylfolate. And I go, they look at shmt. Do you look at. You know, there's so many that they don't look at that are the true players. And so people are making decisions to do things because of these famous people in social.

[A]

Media. Yeah, I.

[B]

Know. That's. That was one of my point. And I'm saying, I'm not trying to say I'm better than them. I'm just saying I don't.

[A]

Know.

[B]

Right. There's a lot of things that I cannot comment on because the context.

[A]

Is. So I don't know until I actually.

[B]

Know. And you don't.

[A]

Either.

[B]

No. So how about we get.

[A]

Together. Because you're just guessing because how many things have multiple similar.

[B]

Symptoms. That's.

[A]

Right. You know how many. So I do a lot of hormone.

[B]

Optimizing.

[A]

Okay. I've been doing it for years and I get the same story. I'm tired, I don't feel like having sex, my mind's all over the place. I need testosterone. I'm like, it's the same thing, brother. We got a lot of digging to do.

[B]

First. Got.

[A]

It. You may have low testosterone, but there might be a simple.

[B]

Things.

[A]

Yep. And you may not. It may be because you eat, like, because you're stressed, cuz you're cor. I mean, you know that there's cons, it's endless. And if I don't do due diligence. And it's not just a. And this is where we're going to go to the balance protocol. I'm transitioning. So it's not just a CMP and a cbc, right? That is your basic, basic, basic, yes, we need that data. But that is like, it's like the person that. Well, my ldl, my hdl, my brother, I need a full cholesterol panel that is telling me nothing. I don't know anything about you until I see your apob, your lp, your particle sizes. Then I can dig into your background and I can learn what I need to.

[B]

Know. Sex, hormone binding, gly and all that kind of definitive thyroids involved in proper thyroid.

[A]

Panel. With low.

[B]

Testosterone.

[A]

You. Let's take a look at your free. And if it's, if it's low, maybe your SHBG is high.

[B]

Quick. And then we go, okay, well, well, why is sbh and see, so what I do is, is the boring stuff, the non sexy thing. And I go, let's talk about air, water, light, sound, EMF and food. Let's talk about your lifestyle, your environment, your mindset and your nutrition. And then let's take a look at vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fatty acids that govern all of those. So I am the true root, root cause.

[A]

Guy. Yes.

[B]

Okay. You can't, you can't just say, oh, it's because you, you start with the gut. I don't ever start with the gut. The gut does not come first. That's what everybody loves to say. And I know it's sexy. And it sells all the supplements and the probiotics and the spore base, this and the things and the fecal transplants and the L glutamine and all on the enzymes, the hydrochloric acid and then the mastic gum for each poor. It's insane. But I'm going, hold on a second. If your lifestyle isn't right, if you have. I'm going to go a little woo woo, I don't even know my voice like this and go trauma, you know, because, you know, I was, I had some trauma as a child, you know, correlates sexual abuse, verbal abuse, you know, that my mom, you know, she's passed away. She. I say lovingly, she's just a jar of dirt now she lets me. She's so funny, Denny. But anyways, you know her. The thing was that she was an alcoholic. Right. Two pack a day smoker. I was with her when she went and got her white chip at aa. And then we were in. Now I was in a smoke filled room and all the coffee in the background. So they go from one addiction to the next. So I've got skin in the game, plus all this. It's patient stories. But. So the thing is, is that you got. You can't correct things with pills, potions and powders if you don't have fundamentals. And you, you should share this with people too. The value of sleep, prayer, meditation, laughter, hobbies, connection, community. See, that ain't that sexy. You can't put that into a thing or wear the dongle around your neck. It is the fact that people.

[A]

Miss. I know. I have started to study neuroscience in detail and I'm piecing together parts that I've been missing. When you realize that you have, you can never know too much. You can always know too little.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yep. And so what I. And this sounds simple, but the mind, body, connection in terms of what it means to our overall health and scenario is absolutely everything. Because if you're screwed up here, you're going to be screwed up here and vice versa. Right. Because this can throw you off up here. Anxiety, stress, lack of focus, it all correlates into one. But there's so many.

[B]

Avenues. Yeah. And so people can't navigate the maze. But see, those are the four things. So it's environment, lifestyle, mindset and nutrition. All are equal to hold up the stool. Yeah. Okay. And different people have different balances of everything. Yeah. You can kick back on two and have the other ones kind of shitty. You know what I mean? And you can kind of play around, you know, and you don't have to be perfect. You don't have to be a purist. People are like, what, Beck, you, you, you drink alcohol. And I go, yeah, I love a nice cocktail. I can have one or two because, you know, I say I'm Irish, but my liver is not right. I mean, you know, if I, if I go, I might smoke a stogie from time to time. There's different things like that. I can't use cannabis because it knocks me out because of my genes. You're gonna be. Gonna be very transparent, but at the end of the day, I'm 53 years old. I feel fantastic. I'm. I am in optimal health and I love it. I don't have a single health complaint in the world. Uh, you know, beautiful little princesses at home. My wife's 17 years younger than me, and so I have a lot going. But you know what? I still have to do the work. Right. And so. But then I still evaluate and things like that. And yes, it's anecdotal, and I'm not saying to not have conventional care because that's the other thing that's missing it. You got to still go to the doctor. You need that physical exam. You need that hands on. They need to look at your eyes, your ears, your nose, your throat, your reflexes, your skin. Don't get rid of that in conventional because there's a lot of early clues lose. Right. Because I'm a preventative medicine guy, not early.

[A]

Detection.

[B]

Right. So. And that, that's where balance protocol comes into play in our transition here. Is that. That's what it is. It is the protocol bounce. Right? So balance protocol came out of a clinical necessity of how do we get people to navigate this complex soup of all these options on the thing. It's like going to a Cheesecake Factory menu. God dang. You know what I mean? Despised me to. Yeah, I like. I like an oma casa or something. You know, where they.

[A]

Gonna. It's like a small college.

[B]

Course. Try to tell I'm here for the ten course menu. And in Orlando, it's the Victoria and.

[A]

Alberts.

[B]

Okay. Little James Black. So. So that's what it is. So people come to me and go, just tell me what to do. And I'm right. Okay, cool. Well, then let's look at these. Now. CNP, Kim, 14 UAs and all this stuff. Yes, Those come later. Yeah, I start people in a different place. Back to those vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids. Because the functional labs, how they're functioning in real time can give you the indication of why these nonspecific inflammatory markers like CRP and said rate and fibrinogen and so forth and so on, melanaldehyde go.

[A]

Up. So when you see this you're saying, okay, I'm looking at this. Chances are CRP is going to be high, chances are alt is going.

[B]

To be up and we're going to correct for it anyway. So then by the time we do those, they don't show.

[A]

Up. There you.

[B]

Go. So it's. I'm bad for.

[A]

Business. You're hitting the, the actual core cause of the problem as opposed to, well, your cholesterol. So I hears a.

[B]

Statin. That's.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. You know, and then, and, and then listen, we're not going to end the debate on cholesterol, good or bad. We're not going to end the debate on raw milk or.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Right. I'm not in all that. See, my thing is I can show you for.

[A]

You.

[B]

Right. If those are correct for you now. Yeah, that's the difference. So I'm going, I believe these people. They're saying with passion and honesty that this is what they find and they have studies to substantiate it and so does their detractor. I can explain why. Yeah, that's the difference. I'm going, you're absolutely.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And then I tell people, at the end of the day, it really, it really comes down to. See, they use the word salad. They go, that will increase.

[A]

Risk.

[B]

Right. Contributed to. Associated with. See, it's risk. No one uses the word cause they don't say that cholesterol causes heart disease because cholesterol is not the lipoprotein. See, it's word salad. In balanced protocol, we have an adage called context cubed. That was my way of seven people. Most people have heard of real estate as being location, location, location. So I say context, context, context. So then you have one context that then you're like, okay, well where do you live? Well, you're going to, you're going to eat and you're going to have different environment, lifestyle, mindset, nutrition. You guys got a good food scene here. I haven't gone all my beautiful. Anyways, so I digress. In Arizona, then you would in Florida or you would in New York or you would in Sweden or Japan. The lifestyle tell me it doesn't change. This is why everybody says, well, I go to Italy and I can eat all the pasta and it's not the gluten. I go, aha. Exactly. Well, here's why. It's not because they have magical wheat derives similar. I mean to say, yeah, it's because you're walking around, you're not stressing, you're enjoying things. The Air has changed your mood. There's so much more context.

[A]

Cued. It's a different.

[B]

Life. Yeah. So then what do we do? We. We implement that in the person's life. But then, guess what? You can't take a person from zero to all that.

[A]

Stuff. No.

[B]

No. And then in what order? What's.

[A]

Important? You know, so what blew me away when we were talking and you know this because I said, oh, hold up, hold up. Was when we started talking about the diet aspect of it. And you start telling me, because I was explaining to you things I went through, changed my diet. And you. When you started telling me, wait a minute. Yeah, wait a minute. That might be working for you now, but that may not even be the.

[B]

Key. That's.

[A]

Right. Right. So I, When I talk to people and I coach them, I tell them, to me, diet is literally the most important because it has so much bearing and effect on everything. You know, I mean, there's so many aspects that are important we have to address. But if you, you can't outwork a bad.

[B]

Diet.

[A]

No. You can train all day long and you can't outrun it.

[B]

Because. And you can't out. You can't out eat bad lifestyle environment either. You can eat perfectly. And if you ain't sleeping.

[A]

No. Sorry.

[B]

Facts. Yeah, facts. If you're, if you're in a toxic, you know, work environment and relationship environment and your. Things like that, and you don't have a connection or community thing like that, you ain't going to. You can eat all the healthy, wonderful stuff. Do Private Chef.

[A]

No. There's no.

[B]

Shortcuts. No to what we're saying. All of it. And people don't want all of it generally. But I'm saying, hey, please, no, come to the light and realize that you need to do all of.

[A]

It.

[B]

Right. Because that's really what it comes down to.

[A]

Be. Well, tell me a little bit and tell everybody that's listening what we discussed about how you are figuring out. Because you said it was a formula, it's numbers. How are we figuring out, like, for me, what my macronutrient intake needs to be? Because you were dialing into me on the phone and I want to share.

[B]

It. Perfect. Okay. So particularly in the biohacking space and things like that, what I did was, is I said, okay, well, that's my shtick. People get that. But then in order for me to do it, I had to rely upon multiple labs in different places and doing different things. And I said, well, what if I could put it all into one Curated program, and it was all inclusive. So that way it is, you know, affordable and accessible for people, of all things. Because that's another bad thing about the market, man. The consulting industry has gotten out of.

[A]

Control. That's a whole nother.

[B]

Topic. People waste so much money and things. And some. Anyways, and so I said, I set out to fix it, so. And I can name drop. So I've been with a company called Genova Diagnostics for 30 years. Yeah. Renowned lab. And, you know, I've been with them from the very beginning, back when they were called Great Smokies. And. And I've sent tons of clinicians to work with them, and they've sponsored me to talk before. So anyway, at the end of the day, I was like, listen, you guys have the technology, you have the standard that matches me and always has been. But I said, we. Because they asked me. They came to me and said, hey, listen, well, we really want to. We see what the industry is doing, but things are kind of changing. We have different competitors doing different things. And I said, yes. And I said, the problem is, is it's all over the place. People are going here for their dried urine test, and they're going over here for their sibo test, and they're going over here for, you know, their. Their mycotoxins is all over the place. And I said, so people are trying different things because they don't have a framework. I have the framework, but I have to use those other places, too, in order of operations. I said, but what if I could bring them all together and put them into this order? So, like, for instance, key number one of balance protocol is air, water, light, sound, EMF and food. So we need to assess functionally all those things. Okay? And I could rapid fire real quick off the top of my head, right? So we've got malabsorption. People want to know what's going on. The gut dysbiosis. They want to know what's going on that everybody's in love with. The mitochondria. I love the mitochondria, too. I'm a mitochondrial master. Okay. Okay. But I also love the endoplasmic reticulum and the Golgi apparatus. Okay. And some other things. Every part of this, all of it, baby, it was all divinely created. Man don't just, you know.

[A]

Beautiful. Just.

[B]

Don'T. Just don't give the woodwinds the. You know what I.

[A]

Mean? The cellular membrane. Why does no one talk.

[B]

About. Oh, my God, the protection. And then there's that. Okay? And so then I look at the, all the mitochondrial markers. Literally the entire citric acid cycle has all of its chemicals, right? And I assess those in every patient. So people are talking about mitochondrial health and doing supplements for it and different things like that, but they haven't even looked at that. So then I screen for microplastics, petrochemicals, I screen for norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin and the enzymes that cover those, all the B vitamins, true functional methylation markers, 6, 9, 12, all of those functionally. I look at every amino acid, essential and non essential. I take a look at every fatty acid, every 3, 6, 7, 9 sat fats in the enzyme that governs them. I take a look at all the minerals and heavy metals and guess what? I put them all into one lab. It's incredible. It is the starting place and I finally brought it to fruition. So they, and I said this is what I want. They're like, they said nah, we can't do that. About a month later they called me up, Dr. Bear, we're going to build out your test for you. And I, and I said well which one? He said all of them. And I went, I said dude, don't do that because I mean I will dedicate my entire year, decades to this.

[A]

One. Well, they sat down and really.

[B]

Looked at it and they did. And I said but hey listen, we're going to have to look at some genes relative to these functional markers too and include them in the same array. And they said, you got it? Yeah, we just bought you know, five more multi million dollar gene snip assessment, which ones you.

[A]

Want. That's.

[B]

Amazing. So I flew up to, to Asheville, North Carolina, finally toured the place. Never been after all those years, you know, everybody there, they, they made it past the flood when the hurricane came through and everything was really wild to see that up there. But anyways, and, and we did it. It's incredible, man. So it's all in one place. So everybody's you know, wanting to look at different things and there's this, you know, pentadecanoic acid supplement out there now the, you know, the fatty 15 stuff. And everybody's like, oh it's wonderful. To all defendant things like that. I'm going, well guess what? Have you Tested your, your C15? It's not a new fatty acid. I've been testing it for three decades. It's included in the array. So if you, if you supplement it because it sounds good because of the benefits of it and you don't know what yours are. You could throw things imbalanced. Yeah, because there is this balance of, you know, and just. We'll talk about the membranes, we're going to talk about your three sixes, nines and etc. Everybody goes, well, you know, seed oils are bad because they cause inflammation. No, they can and may if you're not imbalance of these other things. Okay, so in other words, you can strike a match here, but not in space. The potential is based upon its environment, which it occurs. So I'm not saying that, you know, seed oils. Well, what does that mean? Are we talking about, like, I eat, I really enjoy my cold pressed, organic, non GMO canola rape seed. It's fantastic. The scientific method is conclusive. It has its benefits. But then what would you say, the people that say it's all this, when they show that picture of it coming out of the gummy and the deodorizers and the, and the Tulane and the acetone, I go, yeah, I'm not talking about.

[A]

That.

[B]

Right. You know, that's like not every, not every wife and woman is my.

[A]

Wife. Right.

[B]

Okay. Your kids aren't my.

[A]

Kids. Well, and that's just it. I hate that because then, then you do that and you start making those comparisons and comparing everything to everything else when it's just not a.

[B]

Fact. That's the context and that's the breath of fresh air that I want to bring to the.

[A]

Market. So easy to say, though. It's so easy to just throw everything into one.

[B]

Cabinet. You got it. Because why is it that one says it's good, the other one says it's bad marketing, cognitive dissonance. But I go, it's like King Solomon. Okay, I'm a Christian, I love the gospel. Still a student learning there. But one of my famous stories is the Solomon, you know, the wise king, you know, the story of, you know, there's these two, two ladies and there was one baby and they were arguing, well, whose baby is it? And one was like, it's mine. And says, no, it's mine. And he says, well, in his wisdom story was. He says, we'll tell you what, we're going to cut the baby in half. And you both get half. And the one went, no, no, no, no, it's hers, she can have it. And he goes, that's the moment. Okay. Oh, kind of a funny parable, but I use that as if you want a litmus test because. Don't believe me, because I'm passionate too. But I'm going, if anybody Method or approach requires one side to be silenced. They're the ones that are the baby cut in half people. They're the ones, ironically, that also have the force of the police state for enforcement of their way. That's your clue. A good tree will bear good fruit. So at the end of the day, are they able to give you your inclusionary, exclusionary criteria for what they're.

[A]

Selling? And that's just it. And when somebody gets angry or they have to argue or they have to yell at you to make a point, they're.

[B]

Lying. And anytime anyone says you're gonna die, people are gonna.

[A]

Die. You're full.

[B]

Of. You're full of. And they're the ones you go, nope, nope, hold on a minute. I don't ever do doom and gloom. I'm like, well, you might get sick. You're probably asking troubles and whatever. I'd be.

[A]

Concerned. That scream the loudest are always the culprits. The ones that throw the most stones are always the ones you can't.

[B]

Trust. That's.

[A]

It. It's the same.

[B]

Story. It is so true. And people know that, but yet they still. That hope, that faith that I can get better. And when I'm in desperation, they do. And I'm going, I love you. And I understand it's a very difficult challenge. Right. You know, but you. You're missing information to make a decision. I mean, my gosh, people. And I joke about it because I train a lot of OB GYNs. And the thing is, is I'm going. It's so funny because. And I will tell you about. Not in the biohacking stats, but in wellness industry. It's about 75 to 80% women anyways. And so the ladies have taught me well. Okay, not pandering, but it's the truth. Just look at the.

[A]

Demographics. I.

[B]

Mean. No, I know. So the thing is, is it's. It's like, well, they'll go. And this is. Might be a little off, but I mean, we could do. We're in the safe space. We do. You know, they'll go and they'll pick up a person to go and sit in a chair and scoot down a little bit closer in a cloth gown, buy a list of what company they're paying a monthly thing to on a Ponzi scheme to who they go to. And they're all up in their business and they just met that guy. I know, and I know that's weird, but I. It's a funny example if you kind of think about it. For A second. That intimacy being made of a decision of who's going to pay for it randomly, this person's going to be on there. You granted there's always someone in the room, and I don't mean to be insensitive or anything like that because I have three daughters, but the thing about it is, is that I think we can make better litmus tests and decisions for where we get our care from. No one cares where they, no one asked their doctor where they went to school because it doesn't matter. People ask me, I'm like, hold on. I say, you're just trying to judge me. Let me save you the trouble. You're not going to like it, okay? I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not doing that anyways. And I stay in my lane, okay? I'm an educator, motivated, inspire. That's what I do. So my point is, is that I want people to be able to learn a litmus. And that is, where do I get my trusted information from. If it's product centered only if it's dogmatic, that there's just only one way to eat, or everything is bad or this, that and the other, or it's fear monger based, or they start with don't do any of this before you do this. And oh my gosh. And people are sick and tired of it. Do you know this man? They are. The number one complaint is I don't know how to believe and they're killing us, all right? And listen, I like the Maha thing, but I don't support what it is and how it's doing. And if that pushes people away from me, that's fine too. I like some of the stuff that's going. Of course, I go one issue at a time, not this blanketed thing. You know what I.

[A]

Mean? I always like things and concepts, but it doesn't mean I like everything that's right, you know, that's.

[B]

It. And I'm not perfect either. I make mistakes. I might have. I might mispronounce a, an enzyme or a snip or something even after doing it for so long. So that doesn't.

[A]

Matter. I had somebody do that to me on a post. They said I said a GHK peptide. Well, you didn't say you. Well, why do people pay me thousands of dollars to coach upon peptides? I go 100 miles an hour because I'm just making a point. We didn't say.

[B]

You. Well, my wife, like, I talk about a lot, so she's a TikTok affiliate. She gets, you know, products and stuff like that in the cause we homeschool our daughters, get all that fun stuff in these calendars and things and fun stuff. And one time she was doing this calendar and this, this thing for a little girl, she's nine and one. And it was this letter and words of the day, learning her stuff like that in phonics. And the letter B came up and she goes, B says B. B says BA Brown beaver. Brown beaver. Ba. Ba. Ba. Everybody goes B didn't say BA dude. But you want to know something about that? Millions of views and her thing on that she has sold hundreds.

[A]

Of. I.

[B]

Know. Because of the controversy. So here's one of the things I won't let everybody know. I'm gonna spill the beans, okay? Because you got the Golden Hippo people and dumb names. My whole thing is, is this. They do that controversy on purpose because people love to correct. And it's like so matter of fact, I'm. And, and I've been encouraged back make a mistake, get controversial. I'm like, but that's not me, believe me, I'm already messed up. A soup sandwich. I'll make a mistake. I'll get it for free. I'm not going to start now getting contrived because I. You got to use this hashtag or do. And I'm like, anyway, so be careful of who you getting your info from. I am not just the only clearinghouse of information, but I just want people to know that look and see. Are they selling fear, worry and doubt or are they saying, listen, you have a biochemical individual, genetic uniqueness. You need.

[A]

Data. I want to make a point too that you brought up about the schools. Okay? So one of the things that I know. See, I'm not the conspiracy guy. And people know that about some conspiracy. No, but I'm. I'm the guy that keeps it as real as it gets. Knowing what I've been through, you know, I don't have time. I don't waste.

[B]

Time.

[A]

Yeah. I.

[B]

Absolutely. Dude, yours made. It's.

[A]

Crazy. So I don't, I don't around when it comes to giving information. If I know it, I'll tell you. If I don't, I shut.

[B]

Up.

[A]

Yeah. And I can tell you right now, when it comes to schooling right now, they are getting embedded.

[B]

With. That's.

[A]

Incredible. And, and that's how it works. So they're taught a certain way. So you can't fault the doctors that are prescribing things anymore because that's what they're taught in.

[B]

School. It's all.

[A]

Indoctrinated. Yes. Yeah. So my point is, is, yes, they went through the program and they went through the school, but how do you know what the program even is anymore? And what they're being taught? That's the problem. So I don't give a care in terms of what their 50 letter Alphabet soup is after their name. That is half of it's made.

[B]

Up.

[A]

Yeah. I care about when I talk to somebody like you. That's running down 75 things that a doctor would never ask me. How many times you go to a doctor and you got something wrong with you? And they'll say, well, what are you.

[B]

Eating? They don't have time for that because someone else is paying for.

[A]

You.

[B]

Exactly. You get 7.6.

[A]

Minutes. Right. What are you eating? Well, how are you sleeping?

[B]

It. It's not in their.

[A]

Model. It's. I'm gonna write you this. And. And you know, this is going around right now, and that's what we've been.

[B]

Seeing.

[A]

That's. And, but how do you know it's been going around? You didn't even test.

[B]

Anything.

[A]

Yeah. What. What test is that? That's telling me that's going around. I don't know. So what you're saying is, which is so nice, is like certain. I'll. I'll shut up on the products themselves, but certain products that are very popular right now. And how do you know it's even.

[B]

Working? That's right. It can be. How about you go get.

[A]

Proof? But that's just it. How do you know? But then on the other side, the people that say it's not doing anything, which pisses me.

[B]

Off.

[A]

Yeah. How do you know that? Either you don't. Because you feel something. Because not everything makes you feel.

[B]

Something. Not at.

[A]

All. And some of it, as you know, is placebo.

[B]

Effect. And you think you feel something, and that's that mindset. Placebo and nocebo are incredible and we should leverage.

[A]

Them.

[B]

Yeah. It's the same thing when it comes down to, you know, projecting where you are and mentally going through. And there's a lot of exercises that I do down through balance protocol. It's a very complex thing and people can learn about it@balance protocol.com. but the thing is, is that I think what is important is to peace and be still. And here's a starting point, and that's what I wanted people to learn, and that's what I put together, and that's what I'm sharing and sorry with you. I'm going Listen, man, okay, I get all the stuff. There's wonderful things out there. Love the molecules. I've helped formulate for lots of them. I know everybody gets this. I'm just telling you, I'm. I'm an insider, which is fine. I have my own product line. Okay? That's what it is. So. And they're not private label. I manufacture them. But the thing is, is this. No matter what it is, Let me show you. It's. It's like mom and dad raising you of how to select a mate, Right? So in other words, you can't go, okay, well, he has to make me laugh. And I got daughters. Make me laugh. Six foot tall, tall, dark and handsome. Six figure income. I'm going to. Hold on a second. What's his relationship with his mom and dad? Okay, where did he grow up? Who's his people? Thank you. How does, how does he treat, you know, the waitstaff when they come around? You know what I mean? That kind of fun stuff. What's his emotional intelligence? And so there's, there's, there's litmus is there? And. Oh, my gosh, courting and all that stuff. Knowing what families you're going to be married into and all this, you got, you got to consider all that stuff. But people don't do that for stuff that they're literally putting into their body. That's going to move physiology. I'm wondering, why are you so.

[A]

Quick? It's.

[B]

Insane. No, it's like, come on, man, you do. We don't do that anywhere else. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, I mean, just like attorneys, you know, it's like, there's some that are great for a traffic ticket, but not for a murder one. You cannot. These guys. Dude, what's with all these attorneys and billboards around here? I think that's Vegas in the area. Holy moly. We don't have that in Florida. Accidentes. It's pretty funny. So. But my point is, is people are picking decisions for stuff like that. They're marketing. So I see this, this psychosis in different realms too. Now. Now I'm super steeped in it. And so when it comes to, like, our kids in school and stuff. Exactly. I mean, I. I did home EC and shop and learn how to ledger and in your balance, a checkbook and write it. I mean, this was cool. None of that stuff is cool anymore anyway. This is square and. But you know what? People are doing that too, right? We're on our phones, we're on social media. We're on things like that. We're so connected to that. And all the Facebook ads come by, you know, and the Instagram stuff and the reels and the tiktoks and the doom scrolling and people go, oh, that sounds good. I do have fatigue, insomnia, low libido. And I think, exactly. And I'll try this. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going. So it's tough. I'm, I'm, I'm swimming against the tide for sure. But this is why I'm so grateful and blessed to come on your platform and share with your listeners this. And hopefully it's a breath of fresh air. And it just really encouraged them because am I selling them something to you? Damn right I.

[A]

Am.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. But it's a way. And it's not attached to any pill, potion or powder. It is a program that is allowing people to find out for themselves. So you can go decide. So I'm giving you a tool that you can now apply in whatever you do. Now, do I have a team of clinicians that can. That can help along the way?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. But we stay in our lane in improper things like that. Right. And so what we got to do is not negatively demonize that industry because it's fantastic. There's a. There's a lot of great products out there. People love to take me to the shows and lock the floor and then go to the booze and okay, tell me about this moment. Because there's a lot of shenanigans and charlatans stuff in there. Right? But we love a good entertainment like the Roman Amphitheater. And it was just gruesome, but that's kind of how it is. But I want people to know that you are a category of one, and you've got to know what makes you different. And now you can go, oh, I do use some Urolithin A. That is a neat little molecule. But guess what? What it does to mitochondria, mitophagy and stuff like that. And I go on say, well, guess what? I curated a lab will be able to tell you, you can do before do it. And then bang. Because now here's the thing, there's certain supplements that you got to stop they all. But I feel so much better on it. I'm going, well, then that's your clue that you shouldn't. You got to work on some other stuff. Right? Because I'm. I seem to be the only person to say, hey, take this, but then stop it.

[A]

Here.

[B]

Right? Because when you've had Enough. You've had enough. You know, just like food, alcohol, water or is that always. Yeah, there's, there comes. When's the exit. And so again I've never seen anybody else talk about when to stop something.

[A]

That's. That's.

[B]

It. And I'll show you how to. When is.

[A]

It. When it's financially beneficial to tell anybody to.

[B]

Stop. And that's why I defend my colleagues. They are my colleagues in the conventional medicine space because people poo poo them because of all their bad stuff and the three hundred and some thousand people they kill every year from error. And that's true. And all that stuff is there. Okay, but then I go hold on a second though, okay. They have certain standards that are protective and are established in that care. So don't, don't get sucked into the. I just want proof now just give me, you know, non seed oils and no gluten and take away this and take away this and whatever. I gotta take all these supplements. That ain't gonna work either. You see what I mean? And so it's, it's a balance, it's a balanced understanding. Balance protocol, bro. That's it. Because there's been a lot of great guests. I've watched your shows and things like that and certain things might similar, maybe similar vernacular but I can, I could absolutely say that it's the only place I still remain the one. And I say that with all humility and benevolence that it's translating all of those. They all have their space, right. I guess. Fantastic. But wouldn't you like to know everything that kind of stuff. And before you do a parasite cleanse, before you start biohacking, before you start doing any of that stuff, let me take a look at 200. I mean, excuse me, 125 biomarkers and 10 snips to start. Now you know, now there's.

[A]

Both. I don't know what's doing.

[B]

What. That's it. And then now you can work with people such as yourself and stuff like that and then just really take. And then. So that's, that's my, my call to my, my my fellows like you too is like hey listen, I'm not competing for business. No, let them go through. And it's. We call it balance protocol gps. So get protocol started. And it's your navigational thing. So that was. See I put my little.

[A]

Marketing. I know you have to. We got to.

[B]

Tell. Gotta have a little fun with it. Like when I go to eat and they're like well this Chilean Sea bass was caught off the Madagascar by Javier and on the ship the Susanna and then arrived this morning like, oh, you list so much more tastier. So I, I recognize that. Okay, so I'm trying, but at the end of the day, I'm going, well, I'm just really not really Texas. I need some pee, I need some blood, and I need a cheek swap. Exactly right. And so that kind of stuff will come together and they can get that information and then you can work it off your.

[A]

Patient. What we're gonna do is, you know, you. We did the test, everybody. There was a retest that we're gonna do now. It was a slight.

[B]

Lab. They were not.

[A]

Perfect. Misfire. But we're gonna, we're gonna do another episode where we just break down my testing so you can see all the layers of the test where I'm good, where I'm bad, what needs fixed and how we're gonna fix it. Yes, I'm fine to talk about all that because all it does is help. I. I don't. I mean, what the. We're all screwed.

[B]

Up.

[A]

Absolutely. Everybody screwed.

[B]

Up. And listen to, to your point and on into your attribution is. Is when you guys are trying things and being that guinea pig. Okay. For other people. So you can have the experience and learn that and bring that skin in the game, the man in the arena. You do certain things to your.

[A]

Body.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. And it happens. And that's totally fine. So that's what I'm saying. If they're every single person who does anything, biohacking should do this.

[A]

Program.

[B]

Yeah. Because it is everything. Just get started. It's the starting point. It's not the end. All to begin.

[A]

All. I would argue every human needs to do.

[B]

It. It really does. And I know that's. That might sound duplicitous having said everything that I said, but, man, I'm telling you, it. This is my. My life culmination. I have a fantastic lab, you know, powering it. It's unbelievable. The value is. Is there and it's incredible. If you mind if I just. It's say I don't need to be whatever, but balance protocol, GPS.com, if you go there, you can read all about it, you can get it right there. We send the test kit directly to you, all the states and Canada, and you do a little blood sample, you do some urine, you, cheek swab sitting in the lab. Couple weeks later, we have all that, you get an amazing report. Not this little 10 page, you know, 10x gene SNP report. Okay, not at all, because this is designed to be self steering, right? So you get a full explanation of all the biomarkers, the 10 genetic SNPs that matter right now. And then you have also an online community over at balanceprotocol Me where you can go in and ask your questions free. And also there's, there's educational materials, guides, snip logic, what to do, all this kind of fun stuff because you know, if I can give one example that's kind of famous out there, I don't know if you have time but.

[A]

Yeah, we'll gotta wrap it, but yeah, go.

[B]

Ahead. But anyways, it's just like, like when people talk about like mthfr. Yeah, we've heard about that real quick, I. That's one of the snips that we do. But the problem is is people think that MTHFR governs their conversion of folate or folic acid and that's categorically false. That is, you gotta have, you've got the folate receptor, then you have dhfr, then you have mth Dr. Those govern how the bidufolate and then shmt, there's others, but people love to say the mother effrogene and then sell you methyl vitamins for it when it's not even the one that really moves the mark. You gotta look at what creatine's doing Comti and all these other stuff, bigger pictures, all I wanted to share because that's huge in the market now. But the cool thing is this lab includes all that too and I explain it all and debunk that entire thing that's designed to sell.

[A]

Supplements. I love.

[B]

It. It's crazy.

[A]

Man. Well you know what? I love the disruption because it's making a difference, it's making an impact and you're doing it for the right reasons, you're not doing it for anything other than trying to actually help people sift through everything. And I personally find that to be such a strong trait and characteristic that we're lacking and I appreciate it, that's why I wanted you to come down here. I wanted to give you the proper spotlight and with the proper questions so that you could actually be heard in the proper way. So I hope I did.

[B]

That. No, it's great, I mean, I appreciate you letting me share my philosophy with your listeners and it's, it's again, it's a blessing I received this opportunity, it's fantastic. And I just, at the end of the day I am in a loss of words because we're at the precipice of something so phenomenally great to the market. And I can say that, like, this is literally the culmination of my entire three decade career and I've curated something that can change and transform people's lives. That is not a marketing shtick, is I, I've done hundreds of thousands of these, but I'd never own in one place. So it's so cool and accessible and affordable now. And it, it'll, it'll really help your audience with all these experts that are awesome in their field, will make them so much more lovely and.

[A]

Delicious. We gotta watch episode two so we can go through my panels and we'll get into a deep dive on everything more intrinsically and go through it from there. Brother. Thank you for coming down, flying down to see me. When guests come down to see me, it humbles me because it makes me feel like, hey, it's worth it to come down here and talk to him. So thank you. Dr. Anthony Beck. Check him out. We're going to link everything in the description, but he definitely needs to be heard in a variety of ways. So that wraps up another one, everybody. We appreciate you and thank you. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli and Dr. Anthony Beck signing.