Episode #80 Featuring Lori "ICE" Fetrick! The QUEEN of American Gladiators UNFILTERED! Life, Health, Longevity, American Gladiator Stories, Testosterone for women and MORE!!

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The Dylan Gemelli Podcast

Episode #80 Featuring Lori "ICE" Fetrick! – The QUEEN of American Gladiators UNFILTERED!
Released: January 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy and wide-ranging conversation, Dylan Gemelli sits down with legendary American Gladiator Lori "ICE" Fetrick. The duo dives into Lori's iconic past on American Gladiators, her transition into wellness and fitness, and her perspectives on health, hormone therapy, aging, mindset, and nutrition. Lori brings her trademark candor and humor, offering inspiration and actionable insight for women (and men!) seeking to take control of their health and redefine what’s possible at any age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lori’s Path from Gladiator to Fitness Icon

• Lori reflects on her journey from bodybuilding into television as "Ice" on American Gladiators.
• She shares how her early athletic background and entry into competitive bodybuilding paved the way for her Gladiator fame.

  “A guy walked over to me and he goes, wow, you have the genetics to be a bodybuilder. Have you ever thought about it? And I looked at him and ‘what's that?’ Seriously, I had no idea.” (29:17 – Lori)

• Lori describes the abrupt end of the show:

  “When the show ended, it ended. Like, it stopped. No, there wasn't... Hey, by the way, we don't think we're gonna film again. Chains were on the door, no phone call, no email, no thank you, nothing. Like, it just ended.” (46:41 – Lori)

• Post-Gladiators, Lori tried her hand at gym ownership, real estate, insurance, and ultimately, returned full circle to the fitness industry, building a modern brand around her reputation, experience, and message.

2. Hormone Health, HRT, and Aging Gracefully

• Lori is adamant about the power and importance of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for both men and women, especially during aging and menopause:

  “I contribute a lot of my energy and... keeping going and new projects and everything to honestly, hormone replacement therapy. Without that... my energy runs low. My zest for life kind of drops off.” (04:27 – Lori)

• The conversation takes aim at outdated stigmas and medical misconceptions regarding women and testosterone/HRT. Both discuss the challenges of educating women, overcoming resistance, and the shortfalls of traditional medicine and “normal” lab ranges.

  “Most women, they just kind of go underground, and all of a sudden, they just kind of like, ‘no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully.’ I'm like, why? You don't need to.” (04:57 – Lori)
  “If you want to listen to me, yes, you need to get your bloodwork done… And by the way, you can't just go to a normal general doctor.” (08:05 – Lori)

• Lori shares a personal story about persistent health issues during perimenopause that were only solved after hormone testing and proper supplementation—highlighting the need for medical self-advocacy.

  “Until I went to one doctor and he goes, ‘let's check your hormones’...The minute I started taking progesterone, everything cleared up.” (10:34 – Lori)

3. Biohacking, Bloodwork, and Supplement Strategies

• Lori and Dylan jump into peptide use, the rise of “web MDs,” and dangers of unregulated supplements. Both stress the importance of deep, regular bloodwork and working with specialized or naturopathic doctors.
• Lori’s panel: Every 6 months, deep bloodwork, closely monitoring the impact of nutrition, sleep, and stress:

  “I know when my body's off and I can usually tell what's kind of making it off, you know, a little bit. I am so in tune with what I'm eating, how much sleep I'm getting, my stress...” (18:03 – Lori)

• On peptides:

  “There are so many different peptides out there that they don't know what to do, what to take, how to take it, how to mix it... you need to learn how to take them.” (15:25 – Lori)

4. Nutrition Evolution: From Bodybuilder Diets to Carb Cycling

• Despite 35+ years of experience, Lori’s approach to nutrition is remarkably consistent—clean eating, moderation, and “food is fuel.”
• Body composition changes with age, and she made significant adjustments for recent bodybuilding competitions—especially integrating carb cycling.

  “I've stayed away from fried foods, I've stayed away from dairy... as far as like sugar, we all know it's the worst thing you could put in your body, but yet we crave it, you know.” (20:34 – Lori)
  “I never tried [carb-cycling]...Holy shit. I tried it. Fired up my metabolism like you would not believe… I went from 18% body fat down to 9.5% body in three months.” (22:21 – Lori)

• Lori details her macro split, cycling 2 days low-carb (30–50g), 1 day high-carb (up to 200g), with constant high protein, adjusting fats depending on carb intake.

5. Body Image, Aging, and Longevity Myths

• Both hosts challenge cultural expectations around aging:

  “What you need to try to do, I think, is make people think what you do is normal, not aging is normal. …The way that you're living, you need to normalize it.” (52:18 – Dylan)
  “That's my whole thing. It's like, you don't need to grow old.” (51:57 – Lori)

• Lori wants to redefine what’s expected for women—and men—at 50, 60, and beyond. Her message: “If I can touch one woman at a time, or man or whoever it may be, to want to take care of themselves better... that's my whole thing.” (51:57 – Lori)

6. Inside American Gladiators: Stories, Injuries, and Life Backstage

• Lori reminisces on the events, injuries, and camaraderie of the original run:
  • The infamous “Joust” and “Powerball” (most injuries occurred in Powerball, mainly ACL tears, and the human cannonball event taking its toll).
  • Lori’s favorite events: “Powerball” and “Pyramid,” describing them as a blast and fun as being a kid.
  • The show’s abrupt cancellation, touring life, ego dynamics amongst the cast, and trying (unsuccessfully) to get involved with subsequent reboots or documentaries despite brand ownership disputes.
• She talks about building her podcast (“Chillin with ICE”) to showcase not just the persona but the real people behind the spandex.

7. Supplements & Recovery: Lori’s Current Stack

• Lori’s current must-haves:
  • Collagen (“all about the skin and the hair and... slowing that process down” – 55:12)
  • Creatine (newly accepted for women: “This is really good for us.” – 54:39)
  • Whole-food protein (“I get my protein through whole foods...That is why it's called a supplement.” – 55:13)
  • NMN (precursor to NAD, for cellular vitality)
  • D3 with K2, DHEA, a multi-vitamin, omegas, ZMA (zinc + magnesium) for sleep and recovery
  • Peptides: BP157, TB500, GHK CU (hair and skin)
• She stays away from plant protein and pre-workouts except “occasionally for a pump.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Breaking Age Stereotypes:

  “Most women, they just kind of go underground... ‘no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully.’ I'm like, why? You don't need to.” (04:57 – Lori)

• On Women's Reluctance with Testosterone/HRT:

  “They get freaked out, even broaching HRT that they're going to get man attributes... Even when I talk about it, they're... still scared of it.” (06:10 – Lori)

• On Carb Cycling Transformation:

  “Fired up my metabolism like you would not believe. I went from 18% body fat down to 9.5% in three months. I wasn't hungry... It was more food than I wanted to really eat.” (22:20 – Lori)

• On Normal "Lab Ranges":

  “What they're telling you is normal is based upon a number of people that are already unhealthy.” (11:56 – Dylan)

• On Show Business Realities:

  “After Gladiators, I started bartending, to be quite honest with you, because I didn’t know what else to do... when the show ended, it ended.” (46:41 – Lori)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:17 – 02:55 | Dylan introduces Lori and their connection through Jim Lazay
• 04:27 – 09:00 | Lori discusses the impact of HRT, menopause, and the stigma against women and testosterone
• 10:34 – 11:17 | Personal anecdote: hormone imbalances, perimenopause, and health issues solved by progesterone
• 14:53 – 19:13 | Deep-dive into peptides, bloodwork, and the pitfalls of general practitioners
• 19:40 – 25:58 | Nutrition approaches: from 80s bodybuilding to modern carb cycling with practical advice
• 29:17 – 35:33 | Iconic American Gladiators stories: auditioning, hitting the big time, favorite events, injuries
• 46:41 – 48:32 | Life after Gladiators: entrepreneurship, podcasting, returning to fitness
• 54:23 – 58:15 | Lori’s supplement stack and the evolution of beliefs about creatine, collagen, NMN, and more
• 59:02 – 59:57 | Lori plugs her podcast and social media

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Where to Find Lori "ICE" Fetrick

• Podcast: Chillin with ICE [all platforms]
• Website: lorifetrick.com
• Socials:
  • Instagram/TikTok/X: @LoriIceFetrick

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Tone and Takeaway

Lori’s message is empowering, unfiltered, and relentlessly optimistic—challenging listeners to rethink what aging, fitness, and vitality can look like if you’re willing to question, learn, and put in the work. Dylan creates an open, supportive space for broad-ranging banter that’s both technical and relatable. The takeaway is clear: You don’t have to accept the status quo. With dedication and the right knowledge, “growing old gracefully” can mean growing stronger, healthier, and more vibrant than you ever imagined.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Great to have you here having me. Thanks for coming. So.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

It's, it's, it's cool how we met because I, you know, I, I actually be one of my first podcasts when I started work, you know, doing this, I was trying to approach different people in health and wellness. And I don't remember how it was, but somehow I got introduced to Jim Lazy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And he was one of my first guests.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then, you know, he's obviously talked to you about some things and with your doing a show after 60 there that you just did, which we're going to talk about. So that's how we got connected, was me giving you a little bit of, little bit of help just in, you know, nothing crazy, but enough.

[B]

I hope it definitely helped for sure. And Jim speaks very highly of you.

[A]

You know, some people like to about me, but no, Jim is phenomenal. He is such a good dude. Like, as soon as I met him, I was like, wow, this guy is incredible. He obviously speaks very highly of you. So I want to talk about all of this.

[B]

Yeah, I know where to start. It's funny when you said you've done this and this and this, and once in a while I do sit back anyway, God, I have done a ton. I've done a lot. And everybody's like, aren't you tired? Don't you want to just retire? And I'm like, no, that's the way.

[A]

It'S going to go. How do you, how do you keep going? And I not listen. I am Mr. Anti Aging. So I don't look at anybody in 50s, 60s, whatever that wants to tell me, oh, they're getting older. How do they do it? But in fairness, it does get a little tough. You have to do things smarter as you get older. So what is, what is some of the keys to you keeping going? Because it seems like you go at a pretty rapid rate.

[B]

I know, right? I. Every time I think about, I'm like, okay, I'm tired just thinking about what I've done and I'm like, maybe I should slow down. No, I actually, I contribute a lot of my energy and you know, keep going and new projects and everything to honestly, hormone replacement therapy, HRT without that. Because I can tell even when I run low, my energy run low. Yeah, my energy runs low. My zest for life kind of drops off. It's like we talk about, you feel kind of dead inside. And so I'm like that. I contribute huge to anti aging, to my energy, to just Life in general feeling good. Because that's the one thing about, you know, once these hormones die or these stop producing, especially for, you know, females in our. In our whatchamacallit, menopause stage. You do you. Most women, they just kind of go underground, and all of a sudden, they just kind of like, no, I'm just going to grow old gracefully. I'm like, why? You don't need to. You know, and thank God. Just recently, the Black Box label just, you know, finally came off. Yeah. I mean, after how many years? I mean, it's insane.

[A]

I've been battling it on my end as a coach and somebody that understands it for well over a decade.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's the stigmas and the misunderstandings.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

Tell me this on your end, because, you know, I still have trouble with women that don't grasp the concept that they need testosterone or they. They get freaked out, even broaching HRT that they're going to get man attributes.

[B]

I was gonna say, first of all, it's coming from a man.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And a lot of women don't want to. They know. Well, they don't understand my body. They don't know. And so no matter what degrees you have, no matter what you've done in your life, they still go. It's still a man telling me what to do, you know, that's the first thing, you know. But then again, even when I talk about it, you know, they're just like. They kind of come back and they kind of kick back. So I didn't mean to enter, you know, interrupt your question, but the women are. They're still scared of it. You know, they're still scared of it. They're. Even though they. It came off, they don't understand it. They don't understand the study. They don't. It's almost like they don't want to. And it's like, I don't quite get that. Yeah. You know, and they're like, well, you know, this is the way our bodies are made. And it's like, I disagree with you on that early on.

[A]

And I kind of told you the coaching I've done with bodybuilders and pros in my. I was doing a lot of YouTube stuff, and my wife said, you have got to start catering to women a little bit more. You have way too many men, not enough women. And so I really spent time studying women in menopause. What are women lacking? Like, why there's no way on the planet Earth that you go through, like, menopause or aging and have all of these problems. We've got to be able to figure something out. Well, there's a mis hormone balance there of progesterone, estrogen and testosterone. And one of the things that I do, and I'm wondering what you do with women. I explained to them, look, men need estrogen too. If we drain our estrogen, we got problem.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So for you, I mean, how do you. How do you get over that, that problem when you're talking to people? Because, I mean, it's hard.

[B]

You can lead a horse to water, to be honest with you. I mean, that's the only thing I keep. I mean, I can talk to them until I'm blue in the face. And it's. It's whether or not they're going to go do it. I have men coming and talking to me, going, please talk to my wife.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You know, they won't, you know, they're like, they won't listen to me. And I'm like, I'm more than happy to. Because a lot of it is. Their marriage is suffering, you know, because of that. Exactly. They have no sex drive, no libido, no nothing. They're gaining weight, they're miserable. And it does. It affects the marriage. And so that's why. Please talk to my wife. So I explained to the, to the wives, you know, about we need these hormones, you know, just because our, you know, our ovaries are pretty much, you know, this, the hormones kind of dry up and go away for lack of better, you know, scientific. And the amount that it barely makes, you know, because it still barely makes, but, you know, it's still there that this is what we need. And so when I explain to them, because they look at me and they go, how do you look the way that you look at 62 with the energy that you have? And I'm like, well, if you want to listen to me, yes, you need to get your blood work done. You need to get tested. And by the way, you can't just go to a normal general doctor because if. Exactly, you know, it's like, let's hypothetically say that, you know, just. Let's grab some numbers here. And that is your testosterone is supposed to be for a female between 5 and, I don't know, 100, let's say, and you're at 5. They're gonna go, you're within range. No, you're at the bottom of the barrel. You know what I mean? It should be at a hundred for your optimal, you know, just life. And so they go and they look at me and their eyes wide open, they go, really? You know, and it's really interesting because we were talking about this just the other day, and it was almost like it was. I was. I was about 45, I was in the perimenopause stage, and my body PH balance was off. Okay, so let's go. Let's get a little too detailed for the audience, but let's do it anyway. And that was. I started getting basically, for an entire year, yeast infections. And I was like, what? I went to two OBGYN two. Well, maybe it's the type of underwear you're wearing, maybe it's the type of person you're having sex with. They had everything. But let's check your hormones. And because you're in perimenopause and your hormones are just shifting and they're unbalanced, your PH is unbalanced.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So no matter what you do, no matter what medications you do. Until I went to one doctor and he goes, let's check your hormones. And I was also having a little bit of heart palpitations. I was like, what's this? You know, you need some progesterone. The minute I started taking that progesterone, everything cleared up. Yeah, everything cleared up. And I was like, oh, my God, it was my hormones. Yeah. Do you know, imagine how many women go through life and they have. The only reason I'm saying that is because actually my girlfriend's going through it right now. And I was like, dude, go check your hormones right now. She goes, I have an appointment to get my blood work done. And we know exactly that's what the problem is. Her PH is so off because she's in perimenopause.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So just little things like that.

[A]

I know women have a little bit more complexity than men with the hormone panels. It's complex for both. But as you guys age, it's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

There's more to diddy into.

[B]

Unbelievable. And.

[A]

And you fix one thing, but then you still don't necessarily have the correction that you need. And that's why I said, here we go. Because you bring up the. That there's so many levels here of frustration to me. Yes. But one of the main ones is. Is these ridiculous levels that they tell you are normal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That their levels keep changing as, you know, conducive to the dog shit health that we have right now.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

So what they're telling you is normal is based upon a number of people that are already unhealthy.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's Insane. It's. It's. It's quite frustrating and insane. Absolutely. And so many women are out literally suffering through this. Yeah. Because they have a shitty doctor.

[A]

Oh, you know how many guys that I get that come to me, whoa, I'm in range. My testosterone is 250, 300. I'm like, listen, right? That is just dreadful. If you get any lower, you're basically gonna be at like depression stage. Oh. And it's just. But you brought up the progesterone too. See, that's another factor for women that really starts to happen sometimes even late 40s. But 50s, 60s especially, I look for. Aside from what you've said, you know, creatine is another thing that I've done a lot of work with with women to put them on, and it helps with menopause and.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There's a lot of things that you can do. But what you nailed it with testosterone is one of the probably biggest components.

[B]

Biggest components of the.

[A]

Just. I hate that midlife crisis. It's so cliche, but that's what it is.

[B]

That there's no other, there's no other phrase for it. It is midlife cris way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now, between the, between the testosterone, between the progesterone, that's the other thing. My. One of my friends had a, a hysterectomy. And yet she went to her doctor and said, hey, should I be on progesterone? He's like, no, you had a hysterectomy, you don't need it. Wait a minute, hold on a second. Just because you doesn't mean you don't need progesterone. I mean, for your hair, for your skin, for. I mean, there's a list. Everything better sleep.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Everything for progesterone. And these doctors are still out there going, no, you don't need it. Nope, you don't need that. It's like, thank God that the industry has, I mean, gone to. There are more and more doctors out there called anti aging doctors.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, but a lot of people don't know to look for them. They just go to a normal general doctor.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it's just frustrating and they're not getting the help they need.

[A]

I have a lot of colleagues, friends, people I interview that are naturopathics. They were, they were doctors and got out of it because of the mess. And look, I don't even honestly fault some of them because that's what they're taught. Yeah, they're taught. And when you spend six figures or even seven, if you go to school long enough and get all these medical degrees and all of a sudden you're taught basic bullshit.

[B]

I know. They spend like, I think some. One doctor said we spent like three months on female hormones. Three months. Well, that's me getting into it.

[A]

They spend all their time learning how to write prescriptions, of course, you know, and that's sad.

[B]

I know. That's our healthcare system. I know.

[A]

Well, what you brought up is very important. Seeing a specialist, whether that is a. Like a real good endocrinologist or that there's really good people. Naturopathics, that's what people come to me for when they want to hire me. It's hard, but I've been doing it forever. The amount of letters you have after your name does not necessarily mean you're quality.

[B]

Exactly. And then you can get into the peptides as well, you know, and that's a whole nother. You know, just to me, they are somewhat, I want to say new, you know, just for the general public, you know. And then the other thing is, is there are so many different peptides out there that they don't know what to do, what to take, how to take it, how to mix it. Yeah. Which I came to you for, Dylan. How do you do this? You know, because there's a couple peptides that are very, you. Complex.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and you're like. And you kn. You do need to learn how to take them.

[A]

You know, here's the problem I run into. It's the wild west out there now. Because people saw something and then they try to. Everybody wants to do it and sell it and be a part of it because they know they can make any. And it's dangerous because you don't know who you're taking advice from or buying from. I discovered peptides in 2011.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And there was about eight that you could pick from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All underground market. That's the only place you could get them. And I have watched it now transform in 2000.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And the problem is, is there's a lot of web MDs out there that think they know what they're talking about and they don't know anything. So they're giving advice. They're telling people to take this, this and this, telling them to buy it from who knows where. And it's dangerous.

[B]

I got a question for you. And somebody, somebody approached this and they, they, they said this to me and it made sense. I don't. It might have been you. I don't know, maybe it was. Who knows? My doctor Told me to start taking ipermorelin to increase my own hgh. Okay, well, if my own HGH is tiny, so then what am I really increasing? It's so minute. Why wouldn't I just take hgh?

[A]

So what they're trying to do is that's like a last ditch effort, right? So they're, you're talking about a growth releasing hormone peptide. So it's going to, hopefully it's going to have your body release it itself as opposed to taking exogenously. So the, the hope is that it's strong enough to allow your body to start producing it naturally.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Now, depending on how severe of a problem you have.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In your body, but ipamorlin is probably one of the most commonly used and prescribed.

[B]

That's why I asked.

[A]

And it's, it's a lot safer than. And less expensive.

[B]

Way less expensive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your own HGH start dying out around 30 to 30?

[A]

I mean, it's like everything else, it starts to just.

[B]

We all just start dying at 30, 35. Were we not meant to last? We're only meant to last, what, to 50?

[A]

Well, you know, the body will naturally decline if you let it.

[B]

Yes, yes. Right.

[A]

And if you take care of yourself, you eat while you sleep, while you do everything, you can certainly mitigate it. Now we've got things that we know how to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It takes or stop it. Really. Yeah. But it. Then again, there's, there's so many factors. Yeah. You gotta check. And so for, for somebody like yourself, how often do you run your blood panels?

[B]

And every six months.

[A]

Okay. And then how deep of a panel do you take?

[B]

My panel's deep because my, my doctor is all about it. And so. And I can. Well, I'm a little different than the average person as well, because I can, I know when my body's off and I can usually tell what's kind of making it off, you know, a little bit. I am so in tune with what I'm eating, how much sleep I'm getting, my stress level, how much water I'm intaking. So it's, I'm just on automatic pilot right now, to be honest with you. But yet I know when something's off. And so that's when. But every six months I have to go and do a really deep panel. And that's for her. It's also also for me. You know, I kind of want to know where my levels are, you know, and it's kind of a pride thing. I Guess. Yeah. Because when they come back and she's like, your blood work looks like a 30 year old. And I'm like, yes.

[A]

Well then here, there, here's some questions for you because I'm curious because I. One of the million polarizing things I talk about, nutrition, you, I don't know how deep you go into that in terms of like discussing them with people, but man, oh man, oh man, I get into some, some, I get all kinds of people here to talk about this and you know, some people that are pro keto, pro carnivore, pro carbohydrate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And instead of having good discussions like I have with people, you see them just give their thoughts and then back it up. And people just get so mad and want to call you names and fight. I'm like, listen brother, yeah, yeah. What works for one does not work for all.

[B]

Bodies are so different.

[A]

So tell me as you've aged, what kind of changes you made and what your diet's like now that you. Do you stick to something or is it.

[B]

It's very, it's my, it's interesting you say that because my diet really has not changed much in 35 years.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I keep it clean, I keep my diet clean. I allow myself. If I want something that's off the charts, I eat it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not all the time. It's always in moderation, it's always in balance. I never used to track my macros. I, the only time I really tracked them recently is because of my show, you know, and then I was like. And then that was even eye opening because I was like, wow, I'm not eating enough protein.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I just really made it very clear to me because now I had to track him. I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of people like the first thing I'll ask em when they, I'm having sugar cravings or I'm doing this or I'm doing that. My first question is how much protein are you taking and taking? I don't know. I go, let's start there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so I've stayed away from fried foods, I've stayed away from dairy. And it's not, I stay away from them for a reason. I mean, I do. I mean as far as like sugar, we all know it's the worst thing you could put in your body, but yet we crave it, you know. So I allow myself once in a while to definitely indulge fried foods. I got away from that right when I started bodybuilding. When I was in my late 20s. But I was never a big fried food person. I wasn't raised that way. So I contribute my nutrition also to the way I was raised because my mom was a very health conscious.

[A]

She.

[B]

She ruined our cookies, let's put it that way, and tried to put all the, you know, wheat germ and. And, you know, raisins instead, or, you know, chocolate. And so that part of my childhood sucked. You know, we weren't allowed to eat any kind of sugary cereals. We were in shredded wheat, you know, kind of thing. So that's how I was raised. So therefore, growing older and getting into bodybuilding and being aware of my body, I realized food is my fuel. Food is nothing more than fuel. So let's put it in to feel good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, when people go, I don't feel good, how are you eating? What are you drinking? All these questions come up. I eat once a day. Well, maybe that's why you feel like shit.

[A]

Yeah. Think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's crazy. Like, I get these people that'll tell me they can't lose weight and whatever, and I'll be like, what's your diet? That's the first question, obviously. And then some of these people, they're eating like 4 or 500 calories a day.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

And I'm like. And they don't understand. And we have to talk about shut your metabolism.

[B]

And that was another interesting thing. On doing this show, I always talked about carb cycling. Okay. I know it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I never tried it.

[A]

Did you try it?

[B]

Holy shit. I tried it. Fired up my metabolism like you would not believe. I went from. And this was only in three months. I went from 18 body fat down to 9.5% body. I wasn't hungry. As a matter of fact, if anything was more food that I wanted to really eat, you know, but it fired up my metabolism to where it was like, even today, I'm sitting here two weeks after my show, most people, what, gain 20 pounds?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay. I've gained five. And that's hard because I am eating everything and anything I can because I lost to my.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, and I need to put that back on because the fact that it goes and you lose it in place, especially for women, you lose it in places where you don't want to lose it, obviously. Your face, your boobs, your butt. And it's like, okay, we gotta start eating.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So five pounds in two weeks. And I'm talking like, honestly, I'm. I've been Eating pizza. I've been eating burritos, I've been eating this Haagen Dazs ice cream. Five pounds. And I contribute that to. Seriously, My metabolism just went on fire when I did the carb cycle. Oh, yeah.

[A]

So walk me through, like, what that looks like for you. The. The carb cycling just for people that don't.

[B]

Super simple. Two days. Okay. So when we're talking macros, we're talking, like, all I'm counting is protein, carbs and fats. Yeah, that's it.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

The only reason I say this, because last night at dinner, somebody goes, I don't even know what macros are. You know, I was like, all right, so protein, carbs and fat. Um, my protein was supposed to be 200 a day. I was lucky to get 180, and that was a lot. But on a carb cycling low carb day, it was 50 grams and under. Okay, so 30 to 50. Yeah. For two days, everything else was the same. My protein stayed at 180 to 200 every single day, no matter what. The only thing that changed with my carbs and my fats. So carb cycling is two days, low carbs, 50 grams one day high up to 200 grams.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The next day was keto. I'm like, really? Still no carbs? Okay, let's call it what it is. No carbs that day. And then it went back to low carb. So I got 50 grams the next day, and then I went back to a high carb day. Okay, so it was just cycling between two days. Low, two low, one high, three low, one high.

[A]

How was your fat intake then?

[B]

Okay, so on the low days, my fat intake was at least I. I want to say 50 to 60 gram grams. Avocados, olive oil and eggs. Those were my fats that I was intaking. Of course, you could probably add some healthier ones in there, a little bit more. But that was only for competition reasons, Right? Of course, on my high carb day, actually, it was. It was more like around 25.

[A]

Yeah, you go low, low fat, lower.

[B]

Fat on a high carb day, you have to. Yeah. So by doing this and eating five meals a day every three. Every three hours, I was eating. So my life consisted of. If I wasn't cooking, I was eating or I was in the gym. It was just like every three hours revolved around the food. So that was a little much for the average person, but yet even that they can take it and moderate it. Yeah, you know, kind of thing. So eating every Three hours. Put your metabolism on fire. Your carb intake up and down, up and down, up and down. Your body doesn't get used to it, and that's what we want to do. Once your body gets used to something, it settles in as, you know, it plateaus, and then you're just. You have to start over again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, or. Or even decrease it more, let's put it that way.

[A]

And that's a lot of people don't understand. When you're training and bodybuilding, you gotta have higher carb days. You have to. Or you're just always gonna be too flat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's hard for people to, like, antiquate that are, like, so pro keto and so pro. And I mean, look, I had an eating disorder my whole life, and until like a year and a half ago, I was eating no fat. And I mean, like, the lowest fat ever. Terrified of it. Even as a nutritionist.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

I went from eating 20 grams of fat a day to now about 130.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

And I have never. Aside from steroid use, I've never been this cut or lean.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I. I mean, severely undereating. I train, I do 15 to 17 miles a day on the elliptical and. And Then walk another five and then weightlift do. I'm. If I don't eat 3,500 calories a day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I'm taking jardiance on top of it, which you lose 4 or 500 calories a day. I still. I do. What you do, which most people should do is not count so much the calories, but the macros.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Exactly. Where the macros are the most important.

[B]

Wish I knew more of what I know today. Back when I was bodybuilding, when I was 28, I mean, we were just like, no fat. We're exactly that cut it off.

[A]

The worst thing you could do.

[B]

And your body holds, you know, and it's not going to release the fat. And nobody knew it back then. Or nobody talked about it back then. Oh, my God, it was terrible. But I was 28, though, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So your body did adjust now being 62 and going from 18 and down to 9%. The one thing that they don't tell you is your skin is like. Yeah, we're not gonna go real fast, like the fat go. So we're just gonna hang out here for a while. The elasticity is a little bit slow on the draw. That's. That's the downside. When you do get older and you lose that body fat, you Know when you're younger, it bounces.

[A]

Absolutely. You know, but I still even have these people like, well, we can't, we're. We're getting ready for a show. We can't eat the fats. We can't eat the fats.

[B]

And I'm like, need to eat the fats.

[A]

That is so ass backwards. You have to. You know how mad I am of all the years I missed out eating grass fed butter on everything I cook. I, I tell my wife all the. I missed out like the last 15 years of enjoying this.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's, you know, even going back to the gladiator days, you know, it's like we were all chicken and rice. That was almost the 80s and 90s.

[A]

What were you gonna do? That was the ideal.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Let's go back there then. So before you start doing American Gladiators, what are you doing? Like, what, what's going on? Are you training? Bodybuilding?

[B]

I was bodybuilding and I was competing. I wanted to go probably. And so I had started, I'm gonna say 23, 24 area, and I walked into a gym. I mean, I was always an athlete. But then I got out, you know, out of school, everything else, and started working and all of a sudden started looking around me going, oh, my God, this is my life. The women in the back were very, very heavy, no, sedentary. They didn't move. And I was like, oh, God. So I started going to the gym at lunch and then somebody goes, oh, you need to go to a more serious gym around the corner, which was Brignoli's at the time. And it was like a bodybuilding gym.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And a guy walked over to me and he goes, wow, you have the genetics to be a bodybuilder. Have you ever thought about it? And I looked at him and what's that? Seriously, I had no idea. And so I came into it when Rachel McClish was like, there, and I was like, I saw her, you know, her photos and she was very feminine and very beautiful and yet a little muscular. So I kind of started bodybuilding in that era there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Corey Everson came around and I was like, oh, my God, you know, she's insane. So I was doing local. I went local state, and then I went nationals and I would. I did the nationals twice. I was heavyweight. You have to win the nationals, obviously, to become pro. My second time at nationals, I placed third. And that's when the gladiators that year came along.

[A]

Was that the 80s?

[B]

It was, it was, it was like late 80s, 88, 89ish. Right in there. So I tried out for the Gladiators, made the team. And I was like, screw body, you know, because we always knew. I mean, the biggest thing that I wanted to become pro for was obviously I wanted the magazine covers, I wanted the endorsements, you know, I wanted to, you know, rep brands and stuff. And so, okay, now I'm going to be paid to be on television and battle people and have fun and tackle them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Even better.

[A]

Literally. Like my favorite show that, that. Because we once we got cable is when I found it. And. And I think we got cable in like 87, so. And I was only 5, you know.

[B]

You know, it made me feel old.

[A]

But I remember that one the first time me and my dad watched it. And I was like, whoa. You know, because I was watching cartoons every Saturday morning. And this was. I think it was on usa. I want to say it was on usa. It was on one of the cable channels. But anyway, so what was that like when you first went on there to do these different kinds of events and like these. You know, because like those. The joust, for example. I mean, does it look like it.

[B]

It is out.

[A]

There's an awkward. Like, what is.

[B]

It is so awkward. And those joust sticks are so heavy.

[A]

They look terrible.

[B]

And where we had to grab it, especially for the women, the stick was thick and very round. And then they gave us these ginormous gloves. So it was just like super awkward and super heavy. But man, once you connected with it, because you'd get the momentum going. Yeah, you just ring somebody's bell. It was just insane.

[A]

Mad because you. I mean, I didn't notice it as much when I was a kid as I got a little bit older and go back and watch, you guys got really mad if somebody. One of the.

[B]

Okay, that was more laser.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They just. And I hope he listens to this because seriously, he would get pissed if he lost. He would throw it down and throw. Throw his helmet down. And I was like, damn. For the girls, it was more. It wasn't like that if we lost. I mean, okay, you know, kudos to you. You obviously, you got a good hit in or something like that. I barely lost, to be honest with you, because I had some strength behind me. There was only like one girl, Peggy Odita, five nine, 185 pounds. When she hit you, she hit you. I mean, it was like everyone when she was on the show, we were like. We'd look at the schedule and go, you got j. I don't want it.

[A]

That was on, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And she was.

[A]

And you remember that one?

[B]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Come on. The bigger they are, you know, it's like. You do remember. So the joust was very hard. We talk about it a lot on the Netflix documentary that we did about the. The human cannonball. Yeah, the one with swings down. Everything on my. Any. Any kind of injury I have is on my left side. And even my chiropractor. And I was like, why is everything on my. And all of a sudden, the correlation came in. Human cannonball. I always put my left foot forward, and that little tiny pad they gave us that was like 2 inches thick was supposed to protect us. Well, by the time they swung down in the momentum and the trajectory that they had, they were 10 times their body weight. So. Okay, think about that for a minute. A girl's weighing 125 pounds, and when she hit you, it was hard.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So everything was my left side. And I got nerve damage. My ulnar nerve in my left side. Ye. I have some kind of, like, you know, I thought it was my psoas. Come to find out, it's just scar tissue up here by my left rib, you know, from my arm hitting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, my. My ribs over and over. So, you know, that was not fun. But. But there was a lot of games that were a blast.

[A]

I'm curious.

[B]

Power is obviously my favorite because we. Because, you know, I got to tackle, you know, so that was unbelievably fun. And even some of the NFL guys that I would do comic cons with, they're like, damn, girl, you tackle better than some of our linebackers. Yeah, it was. It was a blast. But I would say one of the other ones besides Powerball was pyramid, and that was the one. It had, like, big pillows that all went all the way at the top. We stood at the top. The contestants were at the bottom, and their goal was to run up that pyramid and ring the bell. Well, we could push them, we could grab them, and it was like playing.

[A]

On.

[B]

Mattresses, because when you grabbed them and you. And you fell, you would just boom, boom, boom. But they were soft. Big, huge matches. It was fun, like being a kid.

[A]

Tell me that. This one, my by far my favorite one, was when you guys were up there shooting, and they would run and try to. And they get to the end and throw the balls, but they'd have the gun and try to shoot it and hit the target. Man, when that one came on, I was glued. I could not. That was by far My favorite.

[B]

And it was. It was the viewer's favorite. Yes. Which is interesting.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I love that.

[B]

I don't know if it was a contestant's favorite, because by the time that when that tennis ball hit him, it was going 120 miles an hour. They'd get welt. Really legs or. If I'm out.

[A]

That's what I was going to ask. You did that because it looked like.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Blind.

[B]

There was one episode, a dude got hit in the eye, and his eye just swelled.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Even though they had protective eye gear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it was great for viewers, but for us, it was kind of boring, really, because the gun always malfunctioned, you know, so it was like one of those things to where we'd be like, it just shoot air, you know, and all of a sudden we'd be like, it, it's not working. And the contest would be running all over the place.

[A]

The other one I always liked, aside from Powerball, which I think everybody liked, was the one when you guys were in the big cue balls and you'd roll them like, God.

[B]

Yeah, that one was clear.

[A]

Yeah, that one was cool, too. I like that one.

[B]

It's so funny how the viewers had their favorites, but they were boring.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. For. And, and that actually, the, the atmosphere thing, at first, it kind of freaked me out because they actually, they were made of these big, thick metal, like, you know, and so they'd have to take a drill to put the, the cage on after you crawled in it. And I thought, okay, come in. California earthquakes. I mean, you name it, it runs through your head because you're literally locked in that thing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And if something happened, okay, they're gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where's the guy with the drill? Let me out.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow.

[B]

But then somebody said this, these things are so thick that if there was an earthquake, you would be more protected than anybody else. So, I mean, it's like, still not.

[A]

A very good, you know, So I, I, My assumption is the most injuries probably occurred on the Powerball, right?

[B]

Yeah. That's where all the. The most. Okay. So the biggest injury was an ACL tear.

[A]

Really? I don't think I remember saying that or hearing about it. Yep, I'm pretty sure I did. It happened on Powerball.

[B]

It happened on Powerball. And that was Turbo, as a matter of fact. And they showed it in slow motion. Of course. They're like. And the leg just goes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And you just kind of go, oh, I can't watch it again. But that Was the biggest injury on the entire show was the ACL tear. I was in Orlando, Florida at the live show. Oh, no. It was breakthrough and conquer. Same thing, though, because the breakthrough, you had to tackle them. Yeah. So the girl's running at me. I grab her, I pull her back. When I pulled her back, I didn't realize her knee was under my leg.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And I literally felt it go snap and it just made my stomach hurt because I heard it and she screamed and then I felt bad. Yeah, I bet I was the one who did it, you know?

[A]

Oh, man. So I have a question. I never really asked Jim about this when I talked to him. Did they like why? It's a two part question one, did they like monitor your physiques and if somebody's not keeping up with, you know, how they need to look, is it a problem?

[B]

They didn't care because we had such egos that there was no way we were going to go on.

[A]

That's what I figured. There's always little. There's always somebody that can't handle the fame or whatever that parties and lets himself go. But maybe.

[B]

Yeah. No, these gladiators are like, just imagine five guys and five girls with the.

[A]

Biggest egos in a world that makes sense. Then my next question you probably just answered because I was going to say words. Was there like a limit? If you lost too much, you couldn't be on the show.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Not.

[A]

There probably wasn't enough loss anyway.

[B]

Right, Exactly. Now where we did kind of gain weight, I'll be honest with you, is on the tour. Really? Because it wasn't televised. You know, I look back on some of the photos and a lot of us, we did, we gained a little couple pounds here and there. And you know, the abs weren't in, they were soft. And we started looking soft. But we were also on the road for six months eating kind of food, to be honest with you.

[A]

Well, and then how was your training?

[B]

And terrible.

[A]

Hard.

[B]

Yeah. And we were in a bus traveling around for six months with 10 gladiators.

[A]

I don't think people realize when teams go play sports and they take long distance or when you're on the road, like the WWE when they used to be on the road all the time, how hard that is to go make yourself train.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

After those flights and that long sauce. Yeah. You're drained.

[B]

You have no desire to go train.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, and then the comfort food, it's. Comfort food is real, you know, and then you're like, oh, God, do I want chicken? And rice again.

[A]

So, yeah.

[B]

Oh, a piece of pizza sounds great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Jim was the only one who kept like on the diet. I think him and Tower, they used to bring in like a hot plate into their hotel rooms. They were like crazy, like, you know, over the edge kind of guys. We're going to stay, right? I think it lasted for the first month.

[A]

We don't. I don't travel without having my own kitchen and my own vrb. I do not eat out. I will not do it. So I get it.

[B]

I understand that too. Because for the first time I had to start taking my food with me to the show. So I. When I traveled to Vegas for the nationals, it was like, oh, shit. I have to take like a day and a half to two days for, for, you know, for food.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you get in the hotel rooms, they don't have microwaves, they don't have hot plates. They want you to eat in the restaurants. I go down the restaurant, I bring my. My chicken and rice. Hey, can you heat this up? Nope. We can't heat your own food up. I was like, okay, wait, we have a problem here. You know, you have an entire hotel full of bodybuilders right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's no microwaves. And you're not going to heat anybody's food up in the restaurants.

[A]

Messed up.

[B]

Yeah. So I can see where you could bring your entire kitchen.

[A]

I'm telling you, I was just at a convention three weeks ago and I left every day at 2 o' clock for an hour and I told all the people that needed meetings wherever I'm gone from this time. And I went my ass back to my house cooked, and then turn around and came back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not doing is hard, but if you.

[B]

Want to eat clean, you absolutely have to cook your own food. That's right, parrot. Bring it with you.

[A]

And you'll like what I do every time. When I like when I fly now, tomorrow I will get off the plane and I will go to the. Either Whole Foods or the locals. I'm staying in Provo, Utah. Whatever they have, I got it marked out, whatever the hell it is. And I'm going straight there before I even go to my house. You get everything I need. You can do it. You just got to make this.

[B]

Just a lot of people don't. I mean, they can't even sacrifice and do it at their own home.

[A]

I know.

[B]

More or less on the road. Come on, you know.

[A]

So how many years were you on the show?

[B]

I was on the shed for nine years.

[A]

Okay. Was that. The duration of it. That first.

[B]

I missed the first 13 episodes. It was like the first season and like, and a half, in a way, I guess. And then I came in.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then midway through, that's when, you know, myself, Nitro. Gemini Laser wasn't there with us. There was another gladiator that we held out for more money.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

They fired us for one season, and they're like, we don't need you then. So we were like, okay. So the ratings drop. Nitro didn't go back. I went back. He went back another year later to be a commentator, as a matter of fact.

[A]

Really?

[B]

So nine to ten years. Wow.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Well, then when it came back, was it 20?

[B]

When.

[A]

When was this?

[B]

Okay, 208.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that was the same.

[A]

Yeah, it was. Yeah.

[B]

Hulk Hogan and Leila.

[A]

It was not the same.

[B]

They overproduced it.

[A]

It was terrible. I. I tried to watch it a little bit, and I couldn't do it.

[B]

It was terrible. I watched. I went to a couple of the showings, and, I mean, Mike Adamley, our host, was just incredible at hosting our show. I remember he didn't need a teleprompter. He didn't need nothing. He was just like, boom, off the cuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hulk Hogan and Leo Ali sat there for three. Three hours trying to do an opening.

[A]

I thought, it just looks terrible.

[B]

It was bad.

[A]

You can tell how fake it is. Yeah, it's terrible.

[B]

You know, they're doing. They did it again. It's coming out on prime next spring, I heard. I'm interested to see how everybody's going to take it this year. I mean, how it's going to be perceived.

[A]

We'll see. I mean, I even tried to watch he man when they reproduced it like the cartoon. And I watched one episode and said, what. What the.

[B]

What is this the biggest mistake they made? And we all. And I say we all. There was three and two or three of us. Myself, Nitro and even Jim and possibly Tower, we all throw our hat in the ring. Like, hey, you know, what if we were like, commentators backstage, talking to contestants, talking to new gladiators, whatever. Bridge the gap. Bridge the gap from generations. Because if you think about it, okay, so I was, what, 28, 29. I'm 62 now. So everybody that watched it in, you know, that were my age, they had kids and now they have grandkids. So it would be. It would make so much sense to where. It's like if they just had us, the people that were had, you know, the grandparents had to be like, oh, my God, come here, Bobby. You got to see this. This is a show that I grew up on. This is so cool. And they're gonna want to watch it. And then they bring in their family.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They didn't want anything to do with this.

[A]

These guys were coaching, like, or something, or they sleeping.

[B]

Did not want anything to be with us. I think it came down to the documentary, though, because the owner, the owner of the trademark, Johnny, he had a documentary that was on ESPN 30 for 30. Well, I would say the A team didn't want anything to do with it. And so we went over to Netflix after that. He hated us.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. And so he does have a say so in the shows. And so I can guarantee you that's why he's like, nope, I don't want anything to do with him.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

That's just gonna hurt his own show. Yeah. Her longevity.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

You know, gotta let him learn the hard way. I don't know if they ever will. I mean, it's. It's really crazy. I mean, they don't want us to eat. And what I mean by that is, for 35 years, we've got nothing but cease and desist letters. Everything we do, really. I have my podcast, Chillin with Ice. I trademarked it. They're challenging it. They do not want me to own Chillin With Ice. What are they gonna do with it? They just don't want me to own it.

[A]

That is disgusting.

[B]

It really is.

[A]

Because you made the name.

[B]

I know. And it's like. They're like, nope, not at all. And that's our. That's our biggest pitch, to be honest with you, is they just don't want anybody else to eat, you know? Ridiculous. It really is.

[A]

There would be no Ice if there wasn't either would be no Laser if there was no gym. There would be none of it.

[B]

We're still marketing their show.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's what they don't. I mean, I don't know.

[A]

They want a piece of everything, is what it is.

[B]

Oh, my God. I'm making. I'm making. Not off my podcast. If anything, it's out of my own pocket.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm still marketing your stupid show 35 years later because of who I.

[A]

Am talking about it right now. Which is going to be in front of a lot of.

[B]

Getting there. Exactly.

[A]

Shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So who was the most intense back there? Man and woman.

[B]

Laser is one. Yeah, he was intense. The women, I would say probably I was the most intense for the females.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Just Because I was like, I always, you know, I wanted to win. So are you going to back search.

[A]

It, like psyching yourself up beforehand, getting crazy, or is it just like another day at the office?

[B]

No, we did. We psyched ourselves before. Before the games.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Kind of have to.

[A]

Yeah, well, yeah, I would assume so.

[B]

You have to because the contestants are ready.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're like, you know, they're on fire. And if you just kind of go out there, go. Another day at the office. You need to get your ass. Yeah, you know, definitely.

[A]

I played four sports in high school, and I know the different settings. Like, for tennis, I wasn't doing that, but I know for football games, what I was doing, you know, and exactly what you guys are doing is just as impactful, if not more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Okay, so then what happens when you're done?

[B]

Okay, well, that's for the long list of everything I've done since then. 35 years. I tried my hand at a lot of different things. You know, after Gladiators, I started bartending, to be quite honest with you, because I didn't know what else to do Right. Right at the time. Because when the show ended, it ended.

[A]

Just stopped.

[B]

Like, it stopped. No, there wasn't. Hey, by the way, we don't think we're gonna film again. You know, we were doing the live show down in Orlando. We went to do the show. Chains were on the door, no phone call, no email, no thank you, nothing. Like, it just ended. Wow. That fast. That abrupt. So after that kind of quickly bartend and then you kind of grasp something and go, okay, I need to do something. I opened a gym in Orlando, Florida. I own that. I ran it for four years, sold it, came back to Cali because that's my home base. Opened a tanning salon, did the same thing, Owned it and sold it at the height, you know. And then after that kind of, I did real estate for about 10 years. I owned my own insurance group company for life insurance. Did that. Then basically I started getting more into fitness again around 50.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

50 was a turning point for me. You know, I was like, okay, let's get this show on the road. Started getting my body back again. Started training hard, started dieting down, created my website, did all that kind of fun stuff. I was training people online, this and that. Realized that that wasn't my forte because of the fact that I just didn't like training people online. Yeah, that's too hard. I. I'm a more in person. It's hard, but yet I didn't Want to spend eight hours a day in the gym.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like in between that cross thing just kind of really started. And that's when social media started taking off of course and started building up my sites. You know, all my social medias. Tick Toc was the first one really. TikTok was the first site. Social media site that I really went on. I did a couple videos and they were kind of funny and they, they, they took.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And everybody's like oh my God, we didn't know how funny you were. And then I realized, wait a minute, a lot of people don't know the gladiators. They don't know who we are. They just knew that, you know the Persona. That's when I started my podcast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And started interviewing all the gladiators.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like okay, let's get everybody to know each other here. You know, he.

[A]

The whole is to that people want to know.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is all we see is something on TV and don't know anything in wonder.

[B]

Wonder who are they? What are they like started doing my podcast, got behind the scenes with all the guys and the girls and everything else with that and just kept building my brand. And I didn't realize I was building a brand to be quite honest with you. You know, there's like what brand am I building? Oh yeah, it's me. Um, and then basically it started evolving. You know, TikTok really picked up. I got like 300,000 followers really quickly. And then my IG lagged and I started doing that a little bit. And then all of a sudden fitness companies, you know, different supplemental companies started coming to me going wait, how old are you? And you look like this. Seriously? And I was like, yeah, let's do this. I represent V Shred. I done a couple. I'm, I'm actually, we're creating it right now. Is my, my anti aging lady Stephanie. She's amazing. We're actually creating a, like an online or you know, HRT, peptides, everything else. I'm going to be the spokesperson and I brought to that, that to them. Yeah, you know, let's do this. And so I'll be a huge part of that. That'll start. That'll be launching probably the mid February.

[A]

Very nice.

[B]

So I, I'm now. It just kind of, it just kind of happened. I just kind of put my head down Dylan. And kind of did my thing. I kept training, I kept eating clean. I kept out there, you know, just you know, talking to women and men about what I'm doing. They started Asking questions. And it just evolved.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is how it happened.

[A]

And God's got a plan for everybody. It's just. It'll. It'll happen.

[B]

And of course, that's funny when you say that, because when V shot came to me, I was 60. That was two years ago. And it was the endorsement contract I always wanted. And I was like, really? God, you had to wait until I was 60 to get this? You know, timing was everything.

[A]

Yeah, that's. The timing's never off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just isn't always what we want. But.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then you realize, whoa. Okay, it makes sense now. Right. So that's. That's what it's all about. So what's your plans now? Are you gonna just continue to be in fitness as long as you possibly can?

[B]

Um. Interesting. When I did my figure competition just three months ago, I mean, I mean, that was kind of on a whim as well. Right. It was like I hadn't competed in 35 years. Everything changed. We were no longer barefoot. We were wearing 5 inch heels. Figured whole learning experience there a lot different. And taking my body to a new place that I haven't taken it before, I'm always challenging myself. That's me. I realized, you know, it's kind of like, okay, what can I do next? How can I challenge myself? I never want to get bored, so I might possibly. Maybe it's. It's. It's a. It's a little ways away. But it's in July, and it's another Masters figure competition since apparently I lost because my posing wasn't the best. I was like, okay, wait a minute. My body was there, but my posing.

[A]

Was not always something.

[B]

And somebody's like, well, how do you lose to posing? Well, because of the fact that I wasn't accentuating the parts of my body that I should have been better.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I might do it, but it's a long way away, you know, so we'll see how that goes. But yes, I'm going to stay into fitness. I'll keep my body the way it is. I feel great. So it's not even about a job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just I feel good.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

And I want to inspire and I want to, you know, talk to more women. And, and my whole thing is if I can touch one woman at a time, or man or whoever it may be, to want to take care of themselves better, to, to, you know, they want to eat better, they. They, they want to feel better. And so that's my whole thing. It's like you don't need to grow old.

[A]

What you need to try to do, I think, is make people think what you do is normal, not aging is normal.

[B]

So there you go.

[A]

The way that you're living, you need to normalize it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And make that seem like this is, this is what it's supposed to be.

[B]

Because it is, it is.

[A]

But they, you know, everybody goes through certain things in their life, whether it's like addictions, struggles with finances, struggles with mental whatever. So they need people that can help them to get past.

[B]

And I understand that, I completely understand that. But the first thing you need to take care of is the one body that God gave me.

[A]

That's exactly right. That, I mean, that goes, then you.

[B]

Can do whatever you want.

[A]

Well, and it goes right into the Bible that's always talked about. We have everything we need. It's right here. But the problem is we look for excuses or, you know, no accountability for anything anymore. When everything's sitting right here. If you just do it.

[B]

I don't want to call people lazy, but a lot are because of whatever it takes. If it takes work.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it does, it does take a little work, you should just say, but anything worth it.

[A]

I mean, people are lazy, but people want shortcuts. People want things handed to them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think too, the conveyance of the message that that's non. Existent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every shortcut leads to a longer route.

[B]

Absolutely it does.

[A]

And I, and I, look, we've all been there. You've been there, I've been there. But I think the difference is when you, when you learn it and you figure that out, you never take a shortcut again.

[B]

No. Put the work in and guess what? Everything else is going to be easier later. It's just right in the very beginning. It's the front loading part of it. That's right.

[A]

That's like when I tell people don't buy the cheap shit because you're going.

[B]

To spend more money later on. It's so true.

[A]

Yeah. That's never cheap on anything because I'm saving money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And headaches.

[B]

Yeah. But that's. If you think about it, that's kind of also their life.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know. You know, I got another question for you because I can't believe.

[B]

I know it's, it's, it just flies.

[A]

What is like your go to supplement or supplements, like I told you, like mine is. Creatine is like the most proven supplement that works for people whether they're teenagers or 80. Because like, you know, and by the.

[B]

Way that's another thing that just happened for females just recently. Just recently.

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, you weren't supposed to ever take creatine because it was gonna make you big and blokey. You're gonna hold water. I mean, that's why I never took it, because that's what I was told.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all of a sudden it's like, whoa, wait a minute. This is really good for us.

[A]

You realize that was all marketing.

[B]

Everything. Yeah.

[A]

Everything's telling people creatine monohydrate is so bad and it's gonna make you bloat. Is like the biggest crack I know.

[B]

And now I know. Well, now I didn't know for the last, you know, 25 years there ever.

[A]

Nobody did, because every company out there made it seem like that so they could sell the ones that actually don't work.

[B]

Right. Exactly. You know, my go to supplements. Definitely collagen because, you know, I'm all about the skin and the hair and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, trying to slow that process down as much as I possibly can. So the collagen, the creatine, a good solid protein. Yeah. Honestly. And that's not. And the biggest thing with the protein is people are like, how many shakes a day? No, I get my protein through whole foods.

[A]

Yes. That is why it's called a supplement.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Do you do. So I. I like Animal Pro. Like beef protein more, but I do take whey, too. Like, I have more beef protein isolate. But do. Do way. Do you have a preference? No, I don't touch plant protein. Do you have.

[B]

Nope. Not at all.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Not at all. No.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I have a friend who's a vegan, and I'm like, what. How can you eat? You know, wherever we go, they're like, honey. But other than that, I definitely. My God. Let's go the N. M, N instead of the NDA. I get the N. Okay.

[A]

So I talk about this constantly. And I'm so glad you said that because you NAD doesn't. If you take straight nad, it does nothing.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Your cell can't absorb it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So NMN is the best precursor. There's. There's other methods you could do, but. Yes. Nmn. I can talk to you about that off camera.

[B]

I. I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Far.

[A]

And I've had the biggest experts on the planet that I've discussed that with. I. I work with a company now called Wonderfield.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They have the best NMN supplements. So I went with them because I. 1. I understand the NAD thing. Which people don't.

[B]

No. They don't. They just. They see somebody advertising it and they're like, oh, I need that. You don't do any research on their own. That's the other thing.

[A]

Those, the NAD injections don't do anything. In fact, they could have an adverse effect.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Sometimes women have to take a little bit less.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Than men do. I had to do that test. My wife, she couldn't do 900. She had to cut it in half. So that's why I was curious how much you took.

[B]

If. God. I honestly, I gotta see what the bot probably. It's been a while. It's probably 500. I'll do my DHEA. I do my D3 with my K2.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've always been a huge advocate about D3. Yeah. You know, because it just does wonders for your body. Multivitamin and my Omegas. Let's see what else is in that.

[A]

Magnesium probably.

[B]

Oh, zinc. And my magnet, I have. I take a stack at night. Yeah. And it's called zmas. And they're just basically the zing and magne. Magnesium Magne together. Helps me sleep. Love it. Recovery, everything.

[A]

Yeah. Mag. You know, I'm so, so damn important. Yeah.

[B]

And you know, I'm starting to. I'm trying to go through my list of, you know, what's on my shelf because now it's like, you know, again, just kind of autopilot. It's like boom, boom, boom, boom down below.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm taking during the show, which was interesting. I never did before is. I never did a pre. Not a pre workout enhanced for energy, but a pre workout, like a pump. I never did that before. And it was kind of cool though, in a way.

[A]

I like them once in a while. You take them every day. That's when you. You just don't. They don't even work.

[B]

No. I know. Nice.

[A]

Once in a while.

[B]

That was cool. That was kind of fun. Anything else? I think that's pretty much it. It as my supplementation, you know.

[A]

But that's a good stack of stuff.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nothing over the top.

[A]

No. Because you end up taking 50, 000 things before you know it.

[B]

And then I take my peptides.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the peptides I do take is the BP157TB500. I do the GHK CU for the hair and the skin.

[A]

Yeah. That's a given.

[B]

It's so funny.

[A]

Everybody's.

[B]

Now they're like, I take the glow stack and it's like they. They try to sound like they know what they're talking about. And I go, so what is that, by the way? Okay.

[A]

They go, tell me what it is and what they do.

[B]

Exactly. And they don't know.

[A]

No.

[B]

And I'm like, where'd you hear this from?

[A]

And actually that the GLOW stack is not even complete because it's missing kpv, which is what the CLO stack is. Which. That. Because of adding kpv. But we'll have to do another session.

[B]

Exactly that. I know, I know.

[A]

Well, tell people because you said you mentioned you have your podcast, so tell people where to follow you, your show, everything. And I'll link it all in the description.

[B]

Beautiful. I have my podcast chilling with Ice and that's obviously across the board on all platforms. My website, lorifetrick.com that has everything that's happening, you know, that I'm doing right now. God. Let's see what else. All my socials are Lori, ICE, Fetrick for TikTok and IG and actually X. And then let's see what else is there.

[A]

We'll figure it out. I'll link, hopefully. Thank you. They'll all be in that. I'm very good about it.

[B]

I bet you are. I bet you are.

[A]

We'll thank you so much for coming.

[B]

Thanks for having me on your show. This is. It's been amazing. It's awesome.

[A]

This is the kind of conversations that I like because there's. It's never ending. And so we can definitely have enough for another part.

[B]

So much. Which is insane.

[A]

Well, we'll do another one.

[B]

I know. Thank you so much, Dylan.

[A]

Well, I appreciate you coming in, so thank you. All right, everybody, that wraps up another one. Make sure that you check Lori out. She's all over the place. Watch her show especially and stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli signing.