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Episode 85 Featuring World Renown Glutathione Expert Dr. Nayan Patel! A full blown MASTERCLASS on EVERYTHING Glutathione!
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Thank you so much for that. I had no idea that I had a little bit of impact in somebody else's life.
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You did. And you know, I, I told you a little bit off camera, but I had always been looking for a lot of the things that you were doing scientifically with which we're going to get into with your products. And I want to discuss. But I had been kind of fascinated with that mechanism of action and how it works. But I also knowing and being told so often, well, you can't do that. You know how many times I heard, you can't do that, you can't do that. And I'm, I'm, I'm the one that always says, yeah, you can. You just got to either find the right person, you or find the right way. So, you know, you've done amazing things. We're talking about it right now. And I said you were a glutathione expert. So tell me first, why glutathione? Why did you decide to be an expert in that? What is so intriguing and so special?
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I wish there was some magic story, some Cinderella story behind that, but there is none, right? Because I was first hired to actually work on vitamin C, right? And one of the doctors came to me and said, hey, can you work on vitamin C? And he has a patent on liposome technology. But this is back in the, in the 90s, right? He comes to me say, hey, can you make some liposome vitamin C? Because at that time, liposomes technology was only available in the pharmaceutical side, right? So we made the first liposome vitamin C back in the late 90s, vitamin C. I made some CoQ10, some PQQ. And I told the doctor, I said, hey, can I also make some glutathione? Oh, don't bother. It just smells awful, tastes bad, don't bother doing that. Plus, if you have vitamin C, we don't need glutathione. We'll be fine. Right? Okay. Again, these are the doctors talking. And I said, okay, I, I still made it. I still made it, right? It was so cost prohibitive to launch a product in, back in the 90s, I mean, you're talking about vitamin C available for two or three dollars for a bottle of 100, right? Versus this will be costing you at least 80, 90 bucks for 100. So it was like so cost prohibitive back then, 25 plus years ago. I said, okay, if people pay any amount, if the results are earth shattering, right? People, I mean, look, look at today. If there are some medications, if he can cure hep C, it's cost you hundred thousand dollars, right? And people will pay a hundred thousand dollars over three months if it cures hep C, right? That's only about 90 pills, right? Think about it. Saying it is insane. If the results are earth shattering, people will pay the money. And so I said, okay, I want to figure out what. I want to figure out glutathione. And the reason about glutathione was simple. Because there's not a single product in the world, not even one. In fact, you can combine all the antioxidants in the world, combine every one of them, and glutathione by itself can do outperform every one of them combined really. And when I, when I realized that potential of glutathione, I said, it's insane if I don't work on it. But at that time, my brain was not fully developing. I was still, I think I was still neandero, I was a caveman kind of a thing, right? At the time, it was not fully developed yet. I was just, still, I was looking for a shortcut. I was looking for an easy way out. I said, hey, maybe I, I'll just make liposomes and figure out how to get it into the system. Because liposomes works for the pharmaceuticals. It will be easy for me, right? And I made it. And I was not getting results. I was, I was, I was expecting, yeah, I got results, but not everybody. And I couldn't figure out why. I said, what's going on over here? I said, okay, now forget about that. You know, the next best thing is I'll just inject it straight into the bloodstream. How? I mean, once again inside your bloodstream, my job is done, right? So I did the first injectable glutathione back in the, in the first 2000, right? 2000. The injectable glutathione available to, to all the doctors in the United States. I say, hey, let's use it. I say, well, the half life is too short. The results are not very good. So one of my doctor's friend from Vegas comes to say, hey, that's okay. My patients will be sleeping after having a heavy night of party, so I'll use all of them, so don't worry about it. So I got my first client in Vegas getting a whole bunch of glutathione. But I knew it was short lived. I couldn't figure out why. And then so I started digging into more detailed work. Right. I said the research was done in 1999. 1991. There was a study done where it showed that the glutathione begin by IV, everything was ended up in the urine within five to 15 minutes. Yeah, I says, okay, it still worked a little bit. How did it work then? The researchers later found out after about 90 minutes to two hours later, they saw a rise of one of the amino acids in the bloodstream, which was cysteine. So the glutathione is made up of three amino acids. Glycine, glutamine, cysteine.
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Right.
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Cysteine got broken down and got into the bloodstream and later been used to make your own body's natural glutathione. So the body was already making the product.
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Right.
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Using the components from the glutathione that was broken down.
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Makes sense.
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I said, okay, then why am I paying so much money? Yeah, right. Why am I paying so much money? Yeah, because as a pharmacist of a. The thing is people don't realize everybody thinks the pharmacists make all the money because the drugs are so expensive. No, the drugs expensive because of the pharmaceutical company. It has nothing to do with the pharmacist. Pharmacists are always looking for the best cost effective therapy for every client. That's ingrained in our learnings. We always looking for the best cost effective treatments. If that means that if I could tell you, hey, if you can sleep better, you'll lose weight. I'm going to do a sleep better before I give you a GLP drug. Yeah, exactly. Right. We were talking earlier that, hey, by the way, when you lose fat, the way the body gets rid of fat is through breathing carbon dioxide.
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That's right.
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So literally you can breathe out your fat, but if I tell you, if you just breathe properly, you lose weight. Come on. Really tough cell. It's a tough signal and people don't want to hear those kinds of things. Okay, then we'll give you some drugs and then we'll tell you what to do afterwards. Anyway, so long story short, IVs were, were shortlived the liposome I could not figure out why was not working. As I said, there has to be different technology. And every technology in the world existed that never enters the peptides, that the glutin is a tripeptide. There's no technology in the world existed at that point that can actually help peptides get into your system. And to me, I said, okay, and why peptides? Why. Why am I dealing with peptides? Because in early 2000s, I was actually making all the hormones. Now we call them peptides today, but at that time, you're making all the hormones in the pharmacy. Because I have doctors come in and say, hey, can you make me all these hormones for me? I said, well, some of the hormones I can make, some of the hormones I cannot make. So we're making all the hormones, the estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, dha. All those things were easy to make because those are all good Allen hormones, so easy to make. And then they goes, oh, how about some of the pituitary hypothalamic hormones like acth, gdrh, lhrh, cortical, relin, all those things? I said, well, those are a little bit harder to make, you know. And so I was working with a couple of researchers trying to figure out. I said, hey, how about we just do a research base modules where you get. You get some approvals and we'll do some research projects together and see if that works out. And what we found out is that those peptides or the hormones, the needs are very, very small if it's done correctly. And so there were my. My learnings came in first. I said, the glutathione, if it's done correctly, our knee is actually very small, yet we're injecting 5 grams, 10 grams of IV pushing some Parkinson's patients. And that's absolutely barbaric, but that's what is necessary to get their symptoms under control. So I know this is a long story, but it just got to a point where I said, have to work together on this thing. About this time, I went to USC School of Pharmacy. I was in a research department over there. And a colleague of mine was the head of the USC Keck School of Medicine, and he was in the research department over there. And so I said, hey, would you mind quitting a job and coming working with me? I said, no. I said, what are you talking about, quitting my job? You know, I'm a tenured employee. In two more years, I get full pension for the rest of my life. So what you're telling me is that you took the job in two years from today. The answer is yes, you took the job, but it was two years from today. And he goes I didn't say that but yes, that is exactly what it means. I said great, so on your weekends I'm going to do some homework for me. So I hired him on the spot and he started working research. The research was good, but glutide, I said let's work on glide molecule. I said well I work on large protein molecules and we have this technology that we've been working on. I said that I want to specific glutathione. So while he was not even working for me, we started working together, right? And it, it took us some years and it took, took a lot of candleite nights and we burn everything off. We even burn whatever of a lyophizers. Oh my God. I was just, I have any money and I burned a $40,000 lyophir one time in my lab and I was so mad at myself, I said how am I going to pay for this thing anymore? And it was just. But you know, like everything else, right? And when it comes to 2007, we had a molecule ready in my hands with a glutathione because guess what? No doctor, nobody was, was believing that this is going to be able to be created, right? So my pharmacist brain thought hey, let me get something just unique enough so they're stable enough. Once it's stable enough I can play with it to make it better for me. So I have the first stable molecule at room temperature water based system, glutathione ready in my lab.
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Anyways, couple terms you said so the audience knows because I know we know it but liposome and yes, the lyophilized machine. What are those things?
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Oh okay, absolutely. So liposome technology is, you know what they do is they take this molecule which is very hard to absorb or very easy to get destroyed, and they put layers of this soy or the lecithin type layers on top of it. So layer after layers after layers. So when it goes to the stomach, the stomach kind of opens to the layer. Like killing the onion, right? Yeah, opens up the layers and by the time it comes to the last layer, hopefully it's passed through the intestines. It doesn't get broken down into the stomach acid and intestines, it gets absorbed. So that's the premise of liposome technology. And it works pretty good for all those products that get destroyed by the stomach acid. But glutathione, it doesn't get distributed by the stomach acid. Well, it does get destroyed by stomach acid too, but it also gets destroyed by the enzymes. Because when you eat, I'm assuming you eat meat. Oh yeah, right. You eat meat. Oh yeah, absolutely. So let's say you eat a piece of steak. Does a steak muscle go straight to your muscle? I wish. No, it's just that, Right. No, it does not. Right. What it does, the body actually uses. Use your own energy to break it down into what? Amino acids.
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Right.
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And the amino acids gets absorbed and you need 3,001amino acid chain coming together to make one muscle fiber. Right. So all those amino acids have to come together to make a, to make the muscle fiber for you.
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Right, right.
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And so the body is designed to do what? To design to take all this proteins, peptides, whatever you eat, break it down, absorb the amino acids and use the building blocks to make it for you. Now I wish there's all these peptides that we can give you that doesn't get broken down and you can use up as is. But in reality, all the peptides will get broken down by the human body. And so even though glutath is a natural peptide, the body makes it naturally. So you think that body will absorb it because it needs it. The body is not designed to take what it needs from outside sources. The body is designed to take the raw materials and make all the stuff you need from inside. And so when I realized that part, that was the game changer. So liposome technology was, was the technology that did not serve the purpose for glutathione. It served the purpose for all the other molecules, but not for glutathione. The lyophilization process is, what you do is you create a product in a liquid based system. And some of the liquid based systems have a very short life because they ex, they, they get, they get denatured, they get, they get oxidized very, very fast. So what you do is you draw all the water out. Okay. It makes a powder form. Yep. And then what the doctors do is they add the water and inject into your body instantaneously.
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That's what I was going. When you get the bottle, just for everybody listening, you get your, your vial of peptide and that's what you're doing. Then it's creating that so then they can clean it up with the bacteriostatic water. Boom.
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Injected.
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Right. That's it.
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So via the laugh as a machines, I have, I have two of those machines in my.
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You that right on site.
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I Was doing that on site to doing all this work, you know, again, I wanted to make sure that we create. Again, it's all lab servers. We have it, but they're still expensive, right? If I get a pharmaceutical grade machines, they're like two, three million dollars for a small machine like that. Right. But even the small machines for with my paycheck, $40,000 is a lot of money back then, yeah, 25 years ago. And when I blew the machine up, I said, oh my God, I just like almost killed myself that day. I said, what am I going to do now? So. But the good thing is we are both researchers, scientists, and with my engineering background. So before I went to pharmacy school. This is one more story. Before pharmacy school, I was engineering school.
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Ah, okay, that makes sense.
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And so I said, hey, so between me and Dr. Tran, we were both of us, I said, I think we can fix this machine. No way. So. So we fixed the machine. Took us almost six months to fix the machine because we didn't have the money to do anything else. So we fixed the machine ourselves. We cleaned up everything. All the gaskets, everything was all cleaned up from inside and everything. Oh my gosh. It took us six months to do that process, but we did it. We did it ourselves.
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Do you have your own compounding pharmacy?
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Yes, I do.
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Okay, so if you can, can you kind of say like what it takes, like cost wise? Because I have to imagine that's a tremendous cost to set up a compounding pharmacy, isn't it? With the machines you're talking about, to have the right equipment and then also, I mean, to just have the right knowledge base on how to do that. Is that difficult? I mean, cost wise and then hiring the right people, the time and then what's like the approval process for that? Because it just sounds intense.
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It is intense today, 45 years ago, there was no laws.
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And nobody knew. Right?
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Nobody knew. Right. It was a wild west kind of a deal. And so the costs were. The real cost was. Was there. Because guess what? The industry was not making small equipments for labs. Small labs. Everything was massive equipments. So if I want a small blender for my lab. No, that's too small. We don't make a giant sized blenders if you want those. No, I want a small one in my lab.
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Right. It wasn't meant for like a small setup.
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It was not meant. So we had to go offshoot and get people to custom make the machines for us so that it was a little expensive at that time, but we needed those Machines to, to get those products out.
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You're like a step ahead of everybody then because there wasn't that many people doing these types of things back.
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Well, there or were there in California. California was the first state to start issuing licenses for company pharmacies. And I think my license was either 8 or 9 or something like that.
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Wow.
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I was one of the very few because I think it. The physically they all applied. Yeah, the hospitals applied for it, some of the combat pharmacists applied to it. So they all applied together. And so the order was whatever orders you get. So I think I was, was one of the very, very first few licenses in the state of California at that time. You know, it's. I see the journey today. And yes, it is very costly to make it. Making medication is an art. It's absolutely art. It is very costly because we have learned over the years that, that making medication, it's good if nothing happens to anybody, but if something happens to one person, it's a big deal. It's a big deal. So we are prepared to make medication 100% safe so nobody gets injured from this medication. And that takes a lot of repetition of procedures and processes to making sure that nothing gets out of line. So we have a full audit teams, internal audit teams that we have that we check on a monthly basis and there's cross contamination issues that could happen. So we make sure that you don't get somebody else's medication in your model. So all those things have to be adjusted and verified. My latest lab was built in 2010 and that laboratory was actually compliant with the laws that were just passed in 2019.
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Really?
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Yeah, the laws passed in 2019 and I was compliant before, 90 years before that. So the thing is, what that means is that we had the foresight of what it takes to make good medicine. Yeah. And so we never have to worry about those, those changes in the labs.
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That's so comforting because I got to tell you, I mean, I like regulation, I like monitoring. I like it difficult because I want to ensure what I'm putting in my body and then what I'm also telling others because, you know, for me, I try to help people and get them on the right path, put them on the right things, and my word goes a long way. So I want to have credibility like you and people like yourself on here that I know have gone through this rigorous process of being verified of people looking into. And then you, of course, you know, you have the right mentality, the right vision, the right desire with what you're doing. But, you know, there's a lot of people, they see somebody that does something well and they try to replicate it with a bad premise behind it all and the bad motive. And so it's refreshing to hear, well, your knowledge base, but what you've gone through and what it's taken you to do what you do. And that's why I was, you know, wanting to see the process and what it takes. Because it's a testament to your hard work and your effort and your willingness to comply.
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That's right.
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Because Moto, you know how this works. Anybody that does anything with business knows people are always looking for shortcuts. And always you take a shortcut with something like what you're doing. And like you said, it could take somebody's life or it could drastically affect it.
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Absolutely. And we've been in the business for over 27 plus years. In 27 years, we are very proud to say that not a single person has ever got injured with a medication. And that's some. And we have made some crazy, crazy medications for all kinds of people. I mean, most in the United States, but we have people flying in from overseas, from Middle east and Europe and Asia. People flying the United States as a medical tourism. And they have some very funky requests from the physicians. We made some really unique products in my lifetime and with zero injuries. And that we are very happy about that because we may have made enough money doing that work because a lot of times the work we do doesn't pay off the time it takes to get it done. So we are still scraping for, for, for some money. But the thing is, we have been very blessed with that. The ability to serve so many people in. Around the globe.
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It's awesome. Let me ask you this. I want to go back to something you said earlier that I, I find fascinating because you said you were doing the vitamin C and the other things and you said when you brought up glutathione, they're like, oh, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Why was there such a lack of understanding and knowledge of how important, important and how impactful glutathione was back then? And how did you find that before others? Like, why did you see that? Because for me, knowing what I know and how important it is, I mean, it is vital. And we're going to get into that.
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But let me tell you how important glutathione is first. I think the audience needs to hear this part, please. If they don't know this part, then they will understand Why I went to this rabbit hole. So imagine you come to your house, you and your wife come, walk in the house, and you have kids and you have hope. You have somebody living in your house. The house is absolutely a mess. There's trash everywhere. You go to the kitchen. The stove is completely filthy. Look at the dishes, has not been done yet. Your counter is all messy. Oh, my God, let me go to my bedroom. He goes back to. The bed's not made yet, the clothes everywhere. The laundry hasn't been done yet. The bathroom's dirty. And he goes, my God, where do I begin? And then about the time the kids comes out, say, hey, dad, can you make some dinner for us? Well, I would love to make dinner for you, but who's going to clean up this mess first? So what you do is you bear. Do bare minimum, clean the stove, do some dishes and make some dinner, and then you serve the dinner and then you get what you do after that. Are you now let's do some homework with the kids or do other things? No, I said you do what you have to do. I gotta clear this mess first.
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Right?
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Right. You what you do based on what you do. You're not being effective by cleaning your own house because you're a very good person that have a business entrepreneur. You have other things to do in life, but you're doing some work that doesn't require your attention.
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Right?
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Right. Imagine you had a maid. Now in your house, you come home and everything is spotless. The kids are there. So, dad, let's have absolutely. You know what? Let's have dinner together. Let's cook together, take some vegetables out. Hey, you chop the vegetables, I'll get the meat on the grill. And let's just work together and get all those things done. Now you have a different relationship with the kids. They say, hey, once the dinner's over, let's get into your. What book are you reading right now? Let's do some book clubbing right now. Let's discuss what you just read today. What did you learn today? The connection is completely different. Right. You're a different person now. Right. The thing is, the maid made all this happen to you.
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That's right.
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The maid gets zero glory. Zero glory. So when I talk about this maid, the reason I'm taking this story is because glutathione does two things for us. Is an antioxidant which is neutral to all the free radicals. So all the damage that can happen because of free radicals, so oxygen or nitrogen gets neutralized immediately, and that happens Every single second. Because you breathe in oxygen, it causes oxygen species. You got to neutralize those things, right? So that's. We need to do that part. The second part is also aging conjugations in your liver to detoxify all the chemicals you're exposed to. By the way, by the time you wake up in the morning, by the time you leave your house, within an hour or two, you're exposed to at least 70 different chemicals that your liver has to detoxify. That's just in the morning. That's just in the morning. Right. By the end of the day, you're exposing yourself to 300 different chemicals, chemicals that your body has to get rid of it every single day. And so the glutathione conjugates and aids the liver in getting rid of this molecule. Now glutathione doesn't get the glory because all it does is take the trash out.
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Yeah, right, exactly.
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But without that, the body has zero time to repair and restore. If you get a cut on your leg, the body knows there's a cut, but the body is full of toxins and sugars and every single thing. How long does it, how long does it take to take to heal the cut take?
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A long time. Long time.
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It's gonna be a long time.
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You're not healthy.
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Yeah, right. If you're a baby, like in few days, it's completely healed, right? So think about those kinds of things. So even though glutathione may not be like this molecule that's going to heal your whole body, but what it's doing is actually unleashing your own body's potential to heal itself.
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Really.
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And to me, that is way more powerful because the thing is, you can see the cut from outside. What happens if there's some disease from inside that you don't even know? The body knows where the problem is. By the time you do a blood test or scans or something and nothing shows up, I say, well, there's something wrong with you still. The body knows what the, what the problem is. But the body's too busy dealing with your jun from the everyday basis. So if you get rid of all the things out, good, made for your body. Now the body is actually ready to what, to restore, repair your whole, your whole body.
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So would you say then that glutathione would be key and like anti aging, so to speak, and then when we're talking about like senescent cells and spill out from cellular debris and oxidative stress, how would we talk? I really want to get your insight on.
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Absolutely.
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Cellular repair and how glutathione is so key in that asset. Because that's my wheelhouse. I want to hear what you have.
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So basically what you say is senescent cells and all the, all the zombie cells and all those things, that's a defense system built into it because the body has gone out of control from oxidative stress.
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Yep.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So yes, you want to work on citizen cells. But that's like you're telling me, oh yeah, my house is dirty. But let me, let me clean the yard first. I don't care about the yard. I don't care about the yard. Yeah, yeah, but if the yard is dirty, then it gives a wrong perception. It doesn't really matter. Right. Yeah. What's going on inside. But if the yard's not clean, the mosquitoes are coming in. The mosquitoes get inside the house. I said I understand all those things out. But what you got to do is start from inside out completely. So what happens is that when the oxidative stress increases in your body, gluten gets produced and neutralize every single thing. Everything goes back to normal. Oxygen doubles now, but it doubles. The body will try to produce more glutathione. Sometimes it can, sometimes it cannot. Right. If it can produce that high amount because you have all the other nutrients in your body to do that portion cell goes back to normal. Everything is, goes back.
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Right.
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Now it triples. If it triples, guess what happens now? Now there's, there's internal damage to the cells. The cells are getting damaged and we call them the cellular damage is happening. The cell you'll still survive. But now it's causing inflammatory cells. Yeah, that's right. That's bad. So what most people are doing is oh, let's get the inflammation down. No, inflammation is good for you because it's telling this body that the inflammation is what is sending signals which are the pituitary that hey, come fix me.
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Right.
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But if you the inflammation down, who's going to fix the problem? We have no, we have no noise. We have no signal to go fix the problem. Right, Right. If there's no phone calls coming in that said, hey, come fix me. And the body thinks that everything is good. And so all these senescent cells and zombie cells, I'm not saying we should not get rid of it because those cells are bad. We have to try to get rid of it. But don't get rid of it by anti inflammatory markers. Get rid of it by cleaning the body and Allowing your own human body to remove the debris out. And as you age, it's not just the senescent cells and the zombie cells we're talking about as you age. We eat a lot of junk proteins, I've noticed. Right. Eat a lot of junk protein.
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I've noticed it quite a bit.
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And so what happens? Let's say, for example, to make a muscle fiber, you need 3,000amino acid chains. Yeah. Different amino acids. So you have 2500amino acids, but your fibers are missing. I would love to have this fiber acid, but you know what? It's just not there. I'll just stuff something in there. It won't be a strong muscle, but it'll look like a muscle. It look bulky, so you'll be. It looked like a muscle, but there's no strength built into that. So that could happen as well. Or the proteins get misfolded, and that could happen. So now you have all this junk proteins inside your body because the body says, I didn't make it. Correct. Because they got the wrong signals. All these things needs to be reversed. But you got to start from cleaning the trash out. Without that, nothing actually works. And that's why glutathione is. If you only take one supplement in the whole wide world, it better be taking trash out of glutathione. Because if you can do that part, you're literally unleashing your own human potential to completely eradicate all kinds of problems inside your body. If you think about it, oxidative stress is linked to each and every disease in the world. Yep.
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Everything.
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Every disease. And so I'm not here to reverse diseases, but what I'm here is to. I want to unleash the human potential to fight, to have a fighting chance to deal with this. Because we knew when we went to the last pandemic, right, there was no drugs, there was going to kill a virus. The only people survived is who? A strong immune system. That's right. These are the only people that survived. Yes. There's tens of thousands of people dying every single day in Europe. Right. Of the weak immune system?
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Yeah.
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In America, all people dying because of weak immune system. People that had intact immune system, they didn't die.
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So would you say glutathione is one of. Or would you say it is the key to getting, like, the building foundation of our immune system?
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It is the key because it is not building the immune system. What it's doing is allowing the body to build its own immune system, because the body will respond to all the invaders. If the body has time to respond to it. Yeah. And the body. If the body's too busy dealing with all the chemicals, processing all this, all those chemicals on a daily basis, then the time gets limited. I understand it gets limited. So the better question is, which vitamin do you take? Right.
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Yeah.
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I take one pill. That's it. Right. Besides glutathione. I take one product besides glutathione. And the reason is because I take magnesium every single day because I have no time to ground myself. Magnesium discharge, electrical charges from your body, and it's my way of detoxing. Electrical charges.
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Yes.
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And so I need magnesium every single day. Even with that. Magnesium sometimes is low. So that. Guess why I eat a banana on top of it every day as well.
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I love it.
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So that's what my personal regimen is. And I was down from 30 vitamins per day to one in the last 14 years. My energy level has gone up high. My protein intake has not changed. I'm vegetarian, but my protein in my body is at all time high. Really? Because of just amino acids. Right. My stubborn muscle has gone up. I don't exercise as much. Right. And so what has happened is the diet alone, the body will start stacking your body with whatever the needs are going to be. And so when I realized that part, I said, oh, my God. I mean, don't get me wrong, if you exercise it, do all the right things, you will definitely build the muscles really fast and good muscles really fast. But it's a very necessary. But if you are a. If you're a dad, if you have a job and you have kids and you're just, you're just doing the regular stuff like you like, like you and me, right, have a job and you have kids and raising a family, all those things. We don't have time to work out eight hours a day every day.
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It gets tricky.
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It's tricky, right? So what can I do to make sure that I can have the same potential of having longevity in life without killing myself in doing the. Doing all the exercises.
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Right.
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And I figured out that if I can just control what goes in my mouth, I can literally help my body.
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I preach that often. And it's more on the diet side where I tell everybody, you know, you can't outwork a bad diet. You know, you just can't do it. I know everybody thinks you can, but you cannot. And what you're putting into your mouth is everything, really. I mean, you can train all day long, you can take all the supplements and every peptide and everything else under the sun. And it's not going to. It's what you do with how you eat and what you take and supplement. Like what you're talking about when I say supplements, I'm talking, like performance enhancers and things that everybody think are going to make them the greatest thing on earth. That's not how it works.
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It's just. They'll look good, though.
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Yeah, they'll look good on the surface.
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On the surface.
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But what is going on inside, it's a, it's a terrible thing. It's like the, the not to go off top of it. It's like the calories in, calories out, guys. Yeah, all calories are equal.
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Oh, really?
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Really? Show me the blood panels on the McDonald's eaters versus the lean protein and, you know, vegetables and eating right people, and then we'll talk. Then tell me they're all equal.
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Exactly.
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You know, that's a totally different argument. So, okay, let's dig in a little bit more to the glutathione aspect of things. So like you said, it's important for, like, detoxification, oxidative stress.
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I wish I had some of my customers testimonials over here because I had so many people calling me and said, hey, how come you don't say the gutter is good for sleeping? Oh, my God, I sleep like a baby now. You know, I said, well, because the thing is, it doesn't affect everybody the same way. Yeah. So here's the thing. Your brain is 2% of your total body, yet it consumes 20% of all the oxygen that you breathe in. Wow. And here's the thing. If you breathe less oxygen, because guess what? Most people are shallow breathers. They don't extend the belly when they breathe. Right. That means the diaphragm never comes down. It doesn't come down. They just, they're just being on the top of the lungs, in and out, in and out, all day long. They're not going all the way down. And the shallow breathers, so guess what? They don't have enough oxygen to begin with. And then with less oxygen, guess what? Now the brain gets everything first. The body doesn't get nothing, Right? So the highest amount of oxygen stress is in your brain. And people don't realize that that needs to be neutralized. If you don't neutralize it correctly. And then most people. Again, it's very hard to generalize everybody in the same category. But anxiety, sleep issues, it's, it's, it's, it's some Other factors as well, they're involved with it. But if I can reduce oxygen stress down, the body actually gets a chance to relax it. And you think better. If you can think better, then guess what? I want you to think about one thing. If you can think better, the thing which you do have versus what you don't have. Yeah. If you just have an abundance mindset that, hey, everything I need, I have most of the things anyways. Yeah, right. If you make $50,000 a year versus $500,000 a year, if you have good habits at $50,000, you're gonna have a good habit of $5,000 a year. If you make it right. If you have bad habit, if you cannot survive 50,000, guess what? You will not be able to serve at 500, 000 either. It doesn't really matter. It's a mindset. And so abundance mindsets needs to kick in for everybody and practice daily gratitudes. Right. But the thing is, it's easier said than done because you can do that part. But if you're cranky, if you didn't sleep at night, if you have so many oxy stress in your brain, it's really hard to kick in that part. So we've been partnering with some NFL teams for glutathione concussion protocols and things like that. And what we have done is with one of the researchers in Pittsburgh have done some brain mapping studies and they use the topical form of the glutathione that we make it. And he goes, oh my God. This is the only glutathione that actually crosses blood brain barrier. I have never known about that part. I said it's like instantaneous, like the light bulb goes up in your brain. Right. And so we don't know what all the, all the ramifications are at this point yet. It's very early on. But there's a potential that if we can do that part that one day we'll be able to predict that, hey, if I can reduce the oxygen stress in your brain down, we can delay the onset of all kinds of neurological issues that exist today. Because today there's not a single cure or a drug that can reverse any of the neurological disorders today. Yeah, exactly. And so if the glutathione is what the body produces to deal with it. And now if, you know, you enter the blood brain barrier, there's a potential long term. And so anecdotally I've been noticing something great because in my, because I've been using for a few years now myself that my Sleep patterns are good. I used the ring for like 30 days. That trash it after the 30 days because my worst score was 90. That was my worst day. Right. And every day was either 94 or 95 or anything like that. So why this stuff? Right? So I don't wear anything on my. On my body at all. Because what do I measure? Has everything is just got improved so much right now.
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You already know.
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I already know. But here's the thing. I know you're going to ask me this question about testing for glutathione. I'll just tell the answer right now before you ask me this question. Because. Because foreshadowing. Because testing of glutathione. Because I thought, hey, if I'm doing gluten every single day, my level should be very high.
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Right?
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Right. When I first got the product ready in 2007, I was giving the very high dose of glutathione because I thought, hey, blood is inert, completely, no problem. Right, Right. Like give some high doses. And oh, my God, I had so much bad reactions in people. Yeah. The doctors are saying, hey, this thing is, we need to work on this one better. Because I get all kinds of herxheimer reactions happening. People are just detoxing like crazy. He goes, okay, let's calm down. Let's. Let's figure out. Let's figure out. We're not sent the product yet. So we did some clinical trials, and what we found out was only 100 milligrams is all you need. So about four sprays twice a day is all you need to sustain your. Sustain your whole body. So I've been using four sprays twice a day. Perfect. That's all you need. And so after six years of using the product, I did my blood test and my results came back. My gluten levels are low, low, normal, low. I call the CEO of the company. I said, this. This is wrong. I'm a little annoyed with you right now because I know my gluten levels are good. Yeah. And he goes, well, you know, I understand you. You believe in your product, but I also believe in my product. And my product is a machine. And machines, they just. They just interpret. They don't analyze. Yeah, they just tell you what it is. They don't. They don't. Oh, this is. Then. So let me just give them high number. No, this is analyze what it is. So let's dig into more detail. And what I found out was if you take the glutathione, what your body needs, it's like for example, Dylan, let's say you need $5,000 a month to survive. If I give you $5,000 every single month, how much money you have left over in three months?
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Well, that's just it. Probably in the negative.
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Zero. Yeah. Because you, I, you need 5,000, I give you 5,000.
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But I would spend more.
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But what happens if in five years instead of zero amount, repeat. Because whatever your needs are, it's been met. Yeah. So if my needs are met on a daily basis, guess what? My levels never rises. But then it goes. But what you need to look at it is not the glutathione levels. It's not about how much money, how much money is left over. That's the wrong mean. What did you have now? I give $5,000 a month. You have a new car, a house, you have some, some new toys. What, what, what else? You have everything money can buy, right? So he opened my eyes for the very first time that, hey, don't look at glutathione levels, look at all the things that glutathione can do to improve your body. And then he gives you a 72 page report. All my mitochondrial supports, all my cholesterols, my heart health, my liver. Oh my God, it's like perfect working. And when I saw this results, and the CEO saw that result, you know what this is? I need this. I need this, I need your product. Because I've never seen these results before. This is, this is insane. Like every different organ systems in a perfect, like a, like a young kid. And when I saw these results. So even though I said you, you look at the wrong markers, don't look at glutathione. Because you only take what your body needs.
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Exactly.
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The body doesn't store anything extra. If it has a store, guess what? It has to work. So don't give any activity.
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That's the more is always better concept. And then a lot of times it's actually going to have an adverse reaction. Like what you were saying. I mean, so many of us, I still try to not do it, but every once in a while you get that mentality. Like you said, you're taking 30 supplements. Well, this does this. This does this. Well, yeah, you start doing that and then you start having all these reactions and not. And then you don't know what's causing it.
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What's causing it? Because you're taking so many different things and not just supplements, even the pharmaceuticals. Yes. So I just had it happen.
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The whole heart medication they put me on 1, 2, 3, 4. And then I start getting weird heartbeats and palpitations, think I'm dying. And it's because that's too much going on.
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Yes.
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You know, and it's called stacking.
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Yeah, everything is stacking. It's. They never gets off. No, just.
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It just keeps going on and on until something bad happens and then you start taking one and one off and one off and then you just don't want to take any because you're scared. It's a, it's a vigorous, vigorous thing that goes on that we all go through. I've done it because I coached people in bodybuilding, so you can imagine what I've coached on that and seen in that aspect. And then everybody will want to run 20 and 30 peptides because one's great. Let's add this. Well, this can do this. Well, this can do this. That's like, brother, I know, it's too much like, you know.
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B
Well, thing is, if you understand what peptides are, it. They're all, all signaling molecules.
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A
Exactly.
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And the signals are already there in your body. You just, you're not just listening to it. So get rid of the noise. The body can listen to all the signals you have. Get rid of the noise. The noise is what? Pollution, food, alcohol, cigarettes. Get rid of all the stuff. When the noise goes away, the body listens to every signals you got. And when that happens, you can absolutely rebuild your body. I don't care if you're 30 years old or an 89 years old. And that's the reason, I'll go to the reason I said 89 years old, because my dad, there's a story about my dad in there because my dad had the same heart issue. Completely blocked artery, right. 100% blocked. And the doctors comes out and says, oh my God, I can't believe he survived. Is completely blocked. He should have been dead. Angio put a stent in there and of course slew of the medication comes out. And I said, dad, you don't need any of this medication.
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Yeah.
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Because you don't have cholesterol issue, you don't have heart issue. Yes, you have the clogged arteries, that's inflammation. But the medications are giving you something, something different that doesn't build the inflammation, doesn't do the root cause, deals the symptoms. Yeah, right. So I said, dad, you don't need any of this medication for the stent. I'm going to put you on a blood thinner for a few months because I don't want you to get clot out on me.
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Right.
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So I'll put you in blood thinner for three months. But other than that, no medications? No. I put him in glutathione. He was my patient number one. Really? Patient number one. He was 17 years old. He was a little chubby. Nothing. Not fat, little chubby walks, diabetes for 35 plus years, arthritis for 30 plus years, blood pressure issues, but nothing. He was surviving. Surviving like an average person. 78. My mom passed by 25 plus years ago, so he was single. So I said, I'm just counting my days and things like that, but plus, this happens, okay? I put him on glue. I said, dad, just take this one. And I had no idea what to do, right? I said, just take it because I think it might do good for you. I had no other ideas, right? So I started giving him the glutathione. And about two and a half years later, I. First thing I noticed was that his sugar was completely normal. Completely normal. His sugar levels were just perfect. So he started eating a whole bunch of carbs and sugars and things like that. Said, dad, what are you doing? Uh, but anyways, he's. Then I said, see that? He started walking six miles a day. Six miles a day. He was arthritis. Six miles a day, walking with no pain. That, that happens and then goes around. And by the time his age of 84 now is, he's traveling the countries now he's traveling every single year, some country on his own, right? Packs and bags and leaves, right? 84 comes on, he gets his hip issues and he goes to chiropractor and say, oh, that's because your knees are bent. Get your knee replacement done. So I take him to a doctor and he convinced the doctor to give both the lupus at the same time. Two knee replacement at the age of 84. The doctor says, I can do it, but I mean, the recovery is going to be sound fun. Six months of recovery and I don't know, my dad goes, I'll do whatever it takes. Right? Okay. Both knee replacement done at the same time. Walked out of the hospital in a day and a half. Walked it out. Of course they would have in a wheelchair, but he walked to the car after that. They did them for 30 days. He was walking the whole block by the, by his house, whole block. Three months later, he was in India, traveling. Three months later, he was only traveling.
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Amazing.
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So now he's 85 now, right. But then he's, he's, he's traveling everywhere, right? This is not during the pandemic, right? He says, oh, no, no, no, just before he shuts down the whole country. Just, I'm going to leave. So he. He goes to India, then goes to Africa. He go from Zambia, Zambia, goes to Kenya. And he has this letter from his doctor, say I have to travel because of my condition at this age. I have to get my offers in order. I don't know what he had in the letter, but he had something in the letter. He just goes everywhere. During the pandemic, he traveled literally, like, almost 13 different countries. He went to Costa Rica with us for 10 days. He went to national parks, Yosemite National Parks in California to do hiking over there. He went to Australia, New Zealand. He hiked the glacier Mountain over there. I mean, talking about. And then last year, it was. It was 89 years old, right? In India, traveling, still traveling. Right now he's. He's getting too barbaric, eating street foods. I said, dad, what are you doing eating street foods? Come on, right? I said, just go to a nice restaurant. Just have it. Just. Just utilize street food, man. I said, don't push it. Sure enough, he got loose bowel movement because he lives in America. So he gets bowel movements, just a little bit of dehydration, but then in the shower, boom. Falls down.
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Oh.
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I said, dang, what the hell? But thing is, he broke his skull. There was bleeding going on. But he calls up. He. I mean, he's still Cohen, Carlos, everything was fine. Calls the hospital, comes, picks him up, everything. Emma's right away, goes to the hospital, and he goes, oh, my God. This is. This is not fun, right? MRI comes out and says there's intel bleeding going on, but he's talking to us. There's no loss of memory, of course. Who do I call? This Chief Neurosurgeon for NFL. The friend of mine, right? I say, Dr. Maroon. I say, please. My dad falls. I said, where is this? He's in India. I said, okay, what hospital? Give me some information. Okay, I'm gonna go in my chamber right now, but I'll call him back in two hours, right? Because he has to go to the chamber, because he does this chamber thing in the hyperbaric chamber. So he was in the chamber, and within two hours, there was a neurosurgeon visiting my dad in India.
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Wow.
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And he gets. He calls me. I was, hey, I'm here with your dad right now. Over here. I just. I got a call that, hey, he's fall down, so I just want to check up on him. There's some internal bleeding going on, but he's very healthy. I mean, there's absolutely no brain damage whatsoever. None. It is absolutely insane. I've never seen this before. At the age of age 89, right? I said, if everything goes okay and if the bleeding stops in the next three or four days, in 10 days, he'll be able to travel back to America. So he hears that, my dad, of course, he said, I told you I'll be fine. I said, don't worry. I said, dad, my brother's going to come with you. He's going to come right now and he's going to come pick you up, right? Yeah. I said, no, no, don't worry, I'll be fine. They start making all the phone calls. Everybody talks to everybody and say, I fall down, but I'll be okay. And it's about 11:30 at nighttime, right? Then go to sleep. I said, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Takes a selfie, you know, takes a selfie on the cell phone and he goes to sleep. And that was his last day. He didn't wake up again. The thing is, from the age of 78 to 89, 13 countries, right? He walked six miles a day. He enjoyed his life. He did all the traveling with arthritis for 30 plus years, diabetes 2 diabetes for 30 plus years, blood pressure issues, angiograph, all these things, no medication. And he was not just surviving, he was living his life. And to me, that story gives me hope for everybody that's listening to today that, that no matter how old you are, your body will never give up on you. Yeah, you will give up on yourself, but your body will never give up on you. So please, please do the right thing. Do the right thing about eating the right foods, sleeping properly, not drinking alcohol, not smoking, doing the glutathione. If you have to do all those things to give a fighting chance for body to literally heal itself.
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A
Adding life to your years, not years to your life. Right? That's the key. That's the key. And, and I want to tell everybody to go check out your websites because you have a lot of information and I've studied it pretty thoroughly and talking about all the benefits of glutathione. Cause there's more we didn't get to, but like you brought it up. Insulin resistance, health and so many other things that you've brought up about it. But I want to really drive home how important it is.
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Sure.
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I think that it gets talked about a hell of a lot more than it ever did, but I still don't think enough.
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Well, there's only one book of glutathione, which is the glutathione revolution in the last 20 plus years. Yeah. There's too many products. You know, here's the one thing that I want to tell people as well. When you do the wrong thing, when you take a wrong glutathione product, it's not that it's not working for you. It's working a little bit for you, but what's not working for you is that you. You're losing on time. Yeah. Which you'll never get back.
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Right.
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Which you'll never, ever get back. And that's the most important part for me is it's not that you. That. That you should try other products, but what happens is that you're missing out on time. And I'm sorry that it took me 14 years to release the product to the public because I discovered 2007 and I didn't release the product in 2021. Yeah. It took me 14 years to release the product. But because I wanted to make sure that it was actually absolutely safe, I want to make sure that it does what it's supposed to do now to make sure that you can take in perpetuity and still get the results after 10 years if you're taking the product. Yeah. And once I got this data back in, I could not even wait for one day to reuse the product. I know as I'm in the middle of pandemic to lose the product. I had no supplies coming in because every. The whole world was shut down.
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Yeah.
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And I released a product release, a company during that time because I could not wait at that time. But now I tell people, please don't waste time on trying something else because you're just wasting time. Eventually you are going to end up using this product for rest of your life. And I want to make sure that. Why waste time if you have it already available to them?
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A
All the money in the world does not buy back time.
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B
Nobody.
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I had lost a couple years. Long story. And you can't get it back. And I. That's why I hold such a significant value on it now because I understand just how valuable every second is. And I think people need to realize that and taking the proper steps to ensure that you're getting longer lifespan but living better and actually enjoying it because it's. I mean, what is it if you're not living it? We need a couple more hours to get through what I need to go through. So I'm probably gonna have to do a part two. So tell everybody where to get your products and you got a little offer for them too for my guests.
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B
I want to use your name for sure for, for your audience because I want to honor you for having me over here on, on your thank you podcast.
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A
Appreciate it.
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B
If you go to oralwellness.com a u r o wellness.com just the code is Dylan on there. D Y L A N At least you get some some money off the product to try it out at the same time. Also check out our newest product that we are launching.
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A
I'm excited, man.
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B
Yeah, I got. I, I am so excited that the same technology, another tripeptide that's coming up. I don't know if we have time to discuss all about detail about. That's going to be part two for sure.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But one of my favorite combat that's GHK kcu. It's, it's.
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A
I'm a skin care guy. We'll get into that next time. But I've got years upon years and so that is one of those compounds and I get into the big deal. I like the healing protocols. So like I like KPV and GHKCU and, and BPC and TB500 but the.
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B
GHKCU specifically it is absolutely amazing. When I first used for six weeks alone and when I saw my scan and the lady that did the scan, she was like a 25 year old girl because let me see your scan. I said do you need a sunscreen, sunblock? I said, nope, perfect. Let me, let me do your skin. Let me show you what's wrong with your skin, right? Yeah. And the skin comes out the hell. What are you doing? What are you doing? Right? It's a she, she wants to buy the product for me and you launch the product yet? And when she saw that, oh my God, I've never seen a single dot of sun damage on my whole face. I'm bald, right? So I mean it's everywhere, right. I'm in California, it's the sun all the time. And so yeah, that is absolute game changer. And for your audience, I just want to make sure they understand that hey, we are here to serve you. Right? So my goal is to try the products and there is no harm, no foul. If you don't like the product for any reason, right. Give me one star review or call my office, we'll do a full refund for you. Because I don't want, I don't want people to feel like, oh, should I waste my time or not? No, there's no wasting time.
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A
That's that's credibility. And I love.
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B
There's no wasting time. I don't care who you are. Everything needs to be done correct.
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A
Well, when you come back, which I hope you do, I want to get into, like, other aspects that we. That we got to get into. That I know. You know, so I want to get into, like, hormones, testosterone, TRT peptides. Like, we got to get into that.
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B
Because that's 20, 27 years of my life.
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I know that. I know. And that's what I've been doing for 15. So I want this conversation with you badly. So, man, listen, thank you so much for coming out here and thank you for waiting for me after that mishap. Just so everybody knows, I. I showed up here and I normally bring a shirt ironed, and I wear a tank top in the car and everything's ready so I don't get wrinkles. And I get out of the car and I said to my wife, holy, I didn't bring my shirt. So I'm sitting here and Dr. Patel in a. In a suit, I'm in here in a tank top from the gym. So I blitzed in the car, did one of those jerk moves and passed somebody going 100 miles an hour, only to let them get up to the stop sign to me and pull up next to me. And I'm just like, not looking at them, you know, run into the store, buy a shirt, and get right back over here. So thanks for putting up with that nonsense. I appreciate it. I love what you do, man. And I knew this was why I was looking forward to this interview. But you just over exceeded expectations, which were already high. So thank you. I appreciate it. I can't wait to talk to you more off camera. And again on. Try your products. Get out. Check out this man's book. Follow him. Definitely try the product. He has put years of his life into this with good reason. So. And I stand by him a trillion, not a million, a trillion percent. So, Dr. Patel, thank you again for your time. I appreciate it. And that concludes another episode. Everybody stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli signing off.
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Sam.