Tomfoolery with Alok Vaid-Menon

Summary

The Dylan Hour with Dylan Mulvaney: Episode Summary – "Tomfoolery with Alok Vaid-Menon"

Release Date: April 30, 2025

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Introduction

In this vibrant episode of The Dylan Hour, host Dylan Mulvaney welcomes her close friend and multifaceted artist, Alok Vaid-Menon, for an engaging conversation filled with humor, personal insights, and heartfelt exchanges. The episode centers around the theme of "Trying New Things", setting the stage for a dynamic and candid dialogue between the two personalities.

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Trying New Things: The Mango Juice Challenge

[00:15 - 03:49]
Dylan introduces the episode’s theme by highlighting how Alok has inspired her to step out of her comfort zone over the past two years. In a playful twist, Alok brings a unique beverage choice—mango juice—which Dylan had never tried before, showcasing their mutual encouragement to explore new experiences.

• Dylan Mulvaney: “And here. Cheers to you getting me to try this.” [03:17]
• Alok Vaid-Menon: “It’s like nectary.” [03:38]

The tasting session serves as a metaphor for their friendship—embracing unfamiliarity and supporting each other through new endeavors.

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Friendship Dynamics and Personal Growth

[04:17 - 11:09]
The conversation delves into their friendship, highlighting how Alok has been a catalyst for Dylan’s personal growth. They discuss Alok’s meticulous nature in preparing for their interactions, such as selecting outfits and managing social engagements, contrasting their different approaches to social settings.

• Alok Vaid-Menon: “I'm glad that we have that on the record.” [02:39]
• Dylan Mulvaney: “I will say we're definitely clashing in many ways, but I think that's representative of our relationship.” [04:56]

Alok shares insights into balancing a busy lifestyle with meaningful connections, emphasizing the importance of community and deep relationships over superficial interactions.

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Comedy and Creative Pursuits

[12:14 - 16:01]
The duo transitions to discussing their ventures in comedy and performance. Alok talks about his new comedy show, blending sharp humor with personal anecdotes, while Dylan reflects on her stand-up comedy experiences pre-transition. They exchange compliments and playful critiques, showcasing their mutual respect and comedic chemistry.

• Alok Vaid-Menon: “I luv it, Stream it.” [14:00]
• Dylan Mulvaney: “You have made me so much smarter. And I actually... if being stupid is a part of my brand, it's going to be a problem down the line.” [15:49]

Their conversation underscores the significance of vulnerability and authenticity in creative expression.

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Exploring Musicals and Broadway Aspirations

[24:18 - 37:35]
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing musicals and Broadway. Alok shares his desire to audition for a Broadway musical despite his apprehensions, while Dylan encourages him to embrace the experience. They reminisce about past performances and theatrical endeavors, blending humor with genuine interest in expanding their artistic horizons.

• Dylan Mulvaney: “Have you ever seen Such a Beautiful Night? Do you know that song?” [24:33]
• Alok Vaid-Menon: “I auditioned for a musical.” [25:04]

Their dialogue highlights the challenges and excitements of trying new artistic forms, reinforcing the episode’s central theme.

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Family, Trauma, and Healing

[31:38 - 37:35]
The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as Dylan and Alok discuss family relationships and personal trauma. Dylan recounts a poignant dinner with her father, exploring the complexities of familial bonds and the journey toward self-acceptance. Alok offers profound insights into healing, emphasizing the importance of breaking free from imposed identities to discover one’s true self.

• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Healing often gets marketed as feeling good. Bubble baths. Nice confessional. Cries.” [29:56]
• Dylan Mulvaney: “I feel like I'm working through a lot of people pleasing still.” [30:26]

This segment underscores the emotional depth of their friendship and their shared commitment to personal growth.

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Advice Segment: Empowering Boundaries and Authenticity

[47:44 - 49:34]
In the Advice Segment, Alok addresses a listener’s concern about creating boundaries and standing firm in one’s convictions without succumbing to the need for approval. He advises embracing authenticity and trusting that true connections will form with those who appreciate the real self.

• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Trust divine filtration. The more you are, the more you're going to magnetize the people who are interested in what you have to offer.” [49:10]
• Dylan Mulvaney: “I think that I love to talk more than anything and I love to talk to my friends.” [54:11]

Their guidance emphasizes self-acceptance and the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive, like-minded individuals.

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Overshare: Light-Hearted and Personal Revelations

[42:04 - 57:19]
The Overshare segment invites Dylan and Alok to engage in a rapid-fire round of personal questions, revealing quirky preferences and anecdotes that highlight their personalities.

• Dylan Mulvaney: “What's your favorite fruit?”
  Alok Vaid-Menon: “Mangoes.” [43:22]

• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Joy is an unshakeable foundation. It's my center of gravity.” [40:54]

• Dylan Mulvaney: “Your backpack is my purse.” [09:49]

This playful exchange showcases their comfort and deep understanding of each other, adding warmth and relatability to the episode.

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Closing Remarks

As the episode draws to a close, Dylan and Alok reflect on their journey together, expressing gratitude for their bond and the ways they influence each other’s lives. The final moments blend humor with a touch of sentiment, leaving listeners with a sense of camaraderie and anticipation for future episodes.

• Dylan Mulvaney: “It's been a really special...” [56:49]
• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Everyone's wrapping up. The electricity is about to be cut out.” [57:19]

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Notable Quotes

• Dylan Mulvaney: “I feel like I'm working through a lot of people pleasing still.” [30:26]
• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Trust divine filtration. The more you are, the more you're going to magnetize the people who are interested in what you have to offer.” [49:10]
• Dylan Mulvaney: “What do you want in the world?” [40:01]
• Alok Vaid-Menon: “Joy is an unshakeable foundation. It's my center of gravity.” [40:54]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dylan Hour masterfully intertwines humor, personal growth, and deep conversations, offering listeners a window into the enriching friendship between Dylan Mulvaney and Alok Vaid-Menon. Their ability to balance light-hearted banter with meaningful insights creates a compelling narrative that resonates with both longtime fans and new listeners alike.

For more engaging conversations and behind-the-scenes insights, subscribe to The Dylan Hour wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

[Dylan Mulvaney]

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[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Hi everyone, I'm David Duchovny. Join me on my podcast, Fail Better, where we use failure as a lens to reflect on the past and analyze the current moment. I I speak with makers and performers like Rob Lowe, Rosie O'Donnell and Kenya Barris, as well as thinkers like Kara Swisher and Nate Silver to understand how both personal setbacks and larger forces impact our world. Listen to Fail Better wherever you get your podcasts. Lemonad.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

In your car, in the shower, on a walk through the Dylan Hour. Feeling sweet, feeling sour? I feel nothing. The Dylan Hour. My couch is open. It's better than therapy. All you soccer moms, all your theys and thems, all your bottom boys, my bisexual femmes, come one and all disassociate with me. It's free, grab a drink or two or three. You have no friends. All good. You got me. It's the an hour. Love ya. Hello there and welcome back to the Dylan Hour. I'm your host, Dylan Mulvaney, and today's theme of the episode is trying new things. Because the drink that this guest selected is definitely one that I've never tried before, and I didn't plan on it. But this guest really does bring out the trying things in me. They have gotten me to do a lot of things over the last two years since we met each other. And I think a lot of my Days of Girlhood series was essentially trying new things. But I want to never stop learning and I never want to stop trying. And I would like to welcome now to the show one of my nearest and dearest friends, an amazing poet, comedian, actor, speaker, writer. All the things my amazing friend Alok. Hello, honey.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Hi.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

This is my roommate. And I was a little surprised to see the purse that you brought with us. Do you have it next to you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Huh.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That looks a lot like my purse.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, I keep on taking your things.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I thought so.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But you give me so much of just your time, your energy, your advice that I feel like a purse or two isn't so bad.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm glad that we have that on the record.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I'm a little nervous. I'm also a little upset because when I asked you what beverage you would like, you shared something that I've never tried, nor I ever planned to.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

How could you have never planned?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Because I don't think I like this. I think I already know that I don't like this. So without further ado, everybody give it up for Megan in our drinks. All right, Usually I try to do a quippy name, but I am too upset about this one. So this is mango juice. And here. Cheers to you getting me to try this.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I mean, the straws are really cute. They are. They.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

They're like a little bendy. Yeah. Oh, first six.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Like my gender.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

First six.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay, ready?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Uh huh.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh, it's gray.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's thick.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. Like viscous.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Is that normal for this? Oh, wow.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's like nectary.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Mmm.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think we put it through the.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Blender like, three more times.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Like, it's like pulpy.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. It's like, it's not horrible. It's not what I would grab for.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It gets better. I was really afraid that I was gonna have to, like, take your purse and then that becomes your vomit receptacle.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think this is a good time to tell you that I don't like fruit. I don't like vegetables.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You're a fruity person who doesn't like fruits, which is a hot take, period.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And you are a fruity person who does like fruits.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Love Fruits are the ultimate queer community. A banana.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Horrid.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Like, the more fruits I eat, the more my gender expands. Wow. That's deep.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

This is pretty sweet. I think we should just go into it bitter and sweet of the week. Are you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. Are you happy?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Well, you're good at transitions.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I am.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you. It's only been in two years. Whoa. Okay.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Bitter. Okay. So I'm just kicking off my tour.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And I have a spreadsheet of 32 outfits, and I had to put them together in four hours.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Which for any of our audio listeners alok selected their Christmas apparel for today.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just selected this dress because. Yeah, I know you like it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I love this. Thank you. That's really sweet of you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I was thinking, I was like, okay, podcast interview with Dylan. Let me bring something that brings her joy. She might be a little nervy. She might be vomiting on me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I will say we're definitely clashing in.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Many ways, but I think that's representative of our relationship. Relationship.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's very telling.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So I put it off to the last one. I had four hours. It felt like I was on, like, an episode of some reality TV show. Like, like some challenge.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Like, it's almost Tetris, but with outfits.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just was throwing Things in at the end and I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What's the state of your apartment now?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's just complete chaos.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Did I try to get you to wear this for a holiday party?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I did.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Did you wear it?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I bet you would have gotten kissed if you did.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That was not a problem for me. Speak for yourself.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I kissed multiple people at that party.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And 2. Remember how I became obsessed with holiday parties in December?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So now I just want to be the holiday party I wish to see in the world. Every year I'm bringing Christmas cheer everywhere I go.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Hell yeah. That is so epic of you. And then how about your suite for the week?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

My suite for the week was. My flight was delayed last night coming into la, but then we stayed up even later, so late. And that was my suite. I have someone speaking to me before. They're like, what brings you joy? I said doing things that I should be sleeping, but I'm doing them anyways. Like, just chit chatting with my girlfriend.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I have no idea how alok finds the time in the day to pick up my phone calls. Nine times.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Chronic chit chatter. Love, love.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think that's why we actually do phone calls.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Love when people, like, don't call, just text me. I'm like, hate texting. No, I love being on the phone.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But you're very like, when it's over, it's over.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. I have things to do.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And you like, you. You're like, do you have anything left?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Well, my biggest hot take is that I feel like the G and the LGBTQ community deserves more representation. By which I mean G and I feel like when I don't say bye on the phone, I just hang up. I'm pledging allegiance to that G. To the ghosts. They need to be seen.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Do you believe in ghosts?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Of course. Who wouldn't?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I saw one at the end of my bed when I was six. So your suite was. Your suite is just catching.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Just catching up with you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, my God. This is my roommate. So I often will stay in a lokes apartment if I'm visiting or they stay in my extra bedroom. What's the vibe there? Paris Hilton pillow?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Actually, like, if you were to imagine what my vibe is. Sophisticated, elegant, developed, heightened. Heightened conceptual, intellectual, avant garde. Imagine the diametric opposite of that. And that's staying at your place specifically.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

My extra bedroom is more chaotic than the rest of the house.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's literally like there are two possum pillows and I don't understand which.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That's what we're spooked about because There was only one. And then I walked in last week and there was a second and nobody had been in there.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Appreciate is the invitation that if I was to ever invite anyone to my bed, we have two possum pillows to.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Communicate with and Paris Hilton. Okay, so speaking of trying new things, you were putting outfits together for this tour, which you so lovingly invited me to open for at your Netflix is a joke show.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh, I thought you were gonna talk about the time that I invited you to open my European tour and you pulled out.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Honey, are we talking? We're gonna air that out on the station. Speaking. Well, alok does provide me ample opportunities because they want me at my best.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just think she's so funny and she's just shown the world only the tip of her iceberg. She's actually one of the weirdest people I know. It's just. She's just cosplaying as this, like, very, like, I think, demure.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That's what's scary though, is now every guest is just telling everyone how different I am off of this podcast. And I'm like, no, no, I'm a weird girl.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You contain multitudes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We're multitudes. We're multi hyphenates, which that when I think about you, I just think about all the different shit you do.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You do a lot of different things.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I do a lot of things.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Can you give us like a list?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. Okay, let's see. I dissociate. I self sabotage.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yep. Poetry.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I procrastinate.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yep.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Stand up. I talk on the phone a lot. Speaking gigs. I think about meditating, modeling.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wow, what a list. And right now you are sort of in your actress era.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't know if it's like an era because I've been the principal actor in my own self destruction for 32 years. So according to my iPhone, I have about 10 hours of screen time a day. So I've got a lot going for me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

When did the acting bug bite you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So the thing is, when I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

When you didn't have enough going on.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

My biggest fear is bedbugs. So if we could just opt for another metaphor.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Do you ever have bed bugs?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes. So I was performing in Colombo and Sri Lanka.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I remember the cockroach.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I started experiencing some itching, and then I googled how to know if it's a bedbug. It seemed like a bedbug. So we had to take each article of clothing and our luggage and put it outside in the sun, which is a really humbling moment for me to realize That I cosplay as Dora the Explorer because my backpack has everything you need. Outfits, cough drops, like anti diarrhea medication. But nothing's marked. So if someone's like, I'm having diarrhea, I hand them a pill and I don't know what's gonna happen.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Your backpack is my purse. Because you didn't bring any purses.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So true. Like this is. Okay, this is. I don't wanna, I don't wanna traffic in gender stereotypes, but the difference between being non binary and being trans is best encapsulated between a backpack and a purse. Because I still have like a school backpack that I just take with me everywhere.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't own one backpack.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's the butchest thing in the world.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I actually think the day I came out as a woman, I burned my backpacks. Jansport. Nowher.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I mean, don't one of the backpacks say trans?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, right, transport.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

But I feel like I'll be in full glam, like a six inch heel with just my big butch backpack behind me. I just want people to know I'm down to study. Always, any moment.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Did you ever have that runner in your like middle school or high school that was like had the big backpack and then would really just like book it across the quad?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Are you talking about me?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I thought so, but I didn't want to put that on you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I always was like, you're going to have back pain when you're older. You need one of those pull backpacks. But I just felt too cool for that. You felt too cool for it, which is really. Read the room. I was not too cool for that. But you know, we all have self perception and that deserves to be honored.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay, back to bitter and sweet for just one second. I didn't share mine with you yet. Okay, so my bitter is that my tummy's been hurting and it's been a real strain on our friendship. You really keep trying to get me to do something about that and I don't want to.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And I'm just glad that we'll have once again more evidence. I feel like it's for you, trying to get you to do anything. I have to be like a court of law. Like I have to be a lawyer presenting data, evidence, like making pitches. So. And like two years whenever you're literally having like there's like a, there's like a hole inside if you. I could be like, remember when I foretold this and you just foreshadowed it? Oh shit.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, my sweet. Is that my celebrity crush? Liked me back on Raya. So do you know who I'm talking about?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, but I bet they're going to, unlike you after you're airing your business.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, they don't know. Oh, shit. Well, I think I can. Because if we're meant to be together, then they're going to have to accept the fact that I have a podcast and I talk about shit on here.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay, so like, in terms of like, least hot things to lead with in flirtation, saying I have a podcast, if there's like, other synonyms, we could have, like, I have a podcast, air all my dirty laundry to millions of unsuspecting.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

People, which we're doing less of. Also, I will say that my sweet was that my comedy set did go really well last year.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So well. You're so funny.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you. And I think that I owe getting back into stand up because of you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's true, actually.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It is true. I was doing standup comedy for like a year before my transition. Kind of a non binary rite of passage. And I then.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That was a reference to Che Diaz shit.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

A moment of silence.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So, yes, you opened for me and I was sitting there in the audience just flummoxed, just gobsmacked, just delighted beyond belief. Because you're such a professional.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

By which I mean you waited until the very last minute to write anything. She sent me a script with so many typos, I said, girl, if there was a teleprompter, you'd be mispronouncing your own name.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, but I actually think I would read it correctly. If it was written correctly, I'd probably misspell it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, but you were so funny. Such a natural and beloved. Everyone literally lost their shit for you. And then after my own show, if you recall, the entire staff of the comedy club wanted photos with you, the true comedic superstar.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Stop. I'm pivoting from this compliment because speaking of procrastination, you now have a brand new comedy show.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That you would call me. You were like, where did you went to Stanford.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And you just locked yourself in a room.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And just wrote like, the windows.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

The basement of a library. It's more dramatic. No windows.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right. And what was that process like for you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Devastating.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I thought so.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's so hard making art.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I had never called you before where you actually sounded like, not well, I genuinely.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Every single time I'm writing something new, it's not like riding a bicycle. I have to like, relearn how to do it every time. And I get so bored of my bs. I'm like, oh, I'm making another joke about that. Be funnier, you know? So I'm just, like, the harshest critic of myself, and I'm heckling myself as I write.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How do you feel about your current show?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I love it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I luv it, Stream it. Camila Cabello. Other than that, I love it. I love it. I'm feeling really proud because I put in the time. It's really great. But what I feel most proud of is that I really challenged myself. I wrote an artistic vision of statement before writing my standup comedy show about what I hope to accomplish for my own creative and personal goals. And I did it, period.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Proud of you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Thank you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How does this sort of iteration of the show differ from what you just were performing for the past few years?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. So I feel like to this point of having multiple selves, many people know me for my, like, extreme, erudite use of words, like erudite and being articulate and, like, speaking and waxing poetic. And that's definitely a part of me, But I'm also really into tomfoolery. Like, obsessed.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And what I wanted to do in this show was to show people what really goes on in my brain and how basically every thought is telling, like, a knock, knock joke at my skull, trying to get out, but a really.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Smart knock jock joke. Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just really love humor so much, and I love being snarky, and I love. I love comedy.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think what's funny about your comedy is that my favorite moments of the show were when you would lean in and be a little smooth stupid. And then I think your favorite jokes to tell are the really, like, sharp ones or, like, getting that good pun in there. And I like. Do you feel like I bring out a little bit of your, like, wild, silly, stupid self?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Absolutely.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. You. I don't know if that's the kind of influencer you want to be, but you make me feel more stupid, and I am very grateful for that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That's the nicest thing you've ever done.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Thank you for your leadership and making me lose intelligence.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You have made me so much smarter. And I actually. If being stupid is a part of my brand, it's going to be a problem down the line. I will say, like, an MFA would be really good for me. You're. Do you have an mfa?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, but I have two Master's degree.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. That's. That tracks. Yeah. As far as, like, being, like, you love friendships. Like, I've heard you talk about how, like, friendships to you are like your, like, love interest. Relationships.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Right. And then as I ignore, like, 15 of your calls. Yes, yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But, like, it's giving codependent in a healthy way.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't know if that might be an oxymoron.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's on my end, I think. Oh, I don't know. Because I don't have, like, a lover to call, so I call you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Well, let's interrogate this. I'm loving, like, my subtle glances to the camera. It's like we're both in on it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

More than I am. I love it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay, so, like, there was this viral TikTok. Wow, I just made a reference to your community.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you. We don't know how much longer we're gonna be around.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You know, you guys are getting criminalized, erased, and hunted. I'm talking about trans people, not TikTok. Anyways, I was gonna say tiktokers as well, so intersection. Anyways, so I saw this viral TikTok about someone saying, like, how hard it is to be alone and not be in a romantic relationship. And I was thinking about that, and I was like, actually, one of the joys of being trans is, is that from a very young age, I felt like no one is going to love me, so I need to learn how to love myself. 1 and 2. How to build meaningful relationships so that I always have community and I'm never truly alone. Because I was afraid I might lose my family. I was afraid I might lose so many people. I wanted to know that I could actually create meaningful relationships with people. And so friendship has actually always been my primary relationship and way of being in the world. I don't believe in small talk. I'm just interested in going deep with people. And I have friends all across the world in every single time zone. So I never actually have to feel alone because I can call them at any time of the day anywhere.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And I've never felt that sense that we need to be in a romantic relationship in order to have access to that kind of care and support, because I have it so available within my own community.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's kind of like that Charlotte quote in Sex and the City when she's like, maybe, you know, we're each other's soulmates and guys can just be that thing that we just have fun with sometimes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I've never felt more seen you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, this is good. Sex and the City. Which character are you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I feel like there's a bit of me in everyone but Miranda. Mostly.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I feel that. Yeah, I feel like I was Charlotte and I'm moving towards a Carrie or Samantha hybrid situation.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I see more of a Carrie situation, but I hold that I did smoke a cigarette. I had your aspirations.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That was scary.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[C]

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[Alok Vaid-Menon]

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[Dylan Mulvaney]

It'S the dealing hour in the beginning of our friendship conception. We went out to dinner. Well, first I went to see your. Your last comedy show. And I went, hi Alok. And you walked by me. I don't think you heard me.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Nope.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But I was so scared. I was like, oh my God, this person hates me.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What? I want to be very clear to Everyone listening is that I have what I call permastopha permanent stank face. And what that means is in combination with your post 911 racism and my parmastifa, people think that I'm angry all the time, and I'm not angry. My default face is just not. And so everyone thinks like, oh, alok hates me. Is it that I hate you or.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Is it that you're projecting?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just feel like if you have promostife and you're white, people give you the benefit of the doubt. But if you have promostoma and you're brown, it's a double whammy, you know, Like, I have to overcompensate for people's racism being like, so great to meet you. And I can't just be like, hey, people, like, you're so angry. Really? It also depends on, like, what's the status of my gender presentation in a given day. Right. I think about this a lot. If I was to get hate crimed, what would the headline say? And it depends on which version of my gender I'm giving. If I have a long beard, things are gonna get complicated. If I just happen to be in my hetero herb outfit that I'm, you know, you've seen it. When I'm in my sweatpants and I'm flying, things might be a little interesting. Or if I'm giving full glam a wig, it's just I'm all over the place.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You came home last night, though, and your airport outfit was giving like, CIS woman, mother. Like it was. You looked so femme and soft, and I was like, hello.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You look beautiful.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Thank you. I like to keep it changing.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You are always changing.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Always.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Quite literally and figuratively.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Why did we bring up her? Oh, because after my show, you probably expected me to deliver an hour and a half emotional testimony and then be emotionally available for someone I didn't even know.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, yes. But our first dinner, we. Then after the comedy show, I think I was probably going through it in.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Some sort of media just being targeted again.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It just. That feels casual.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Just being scared of those.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes. But not like you. I mean, it's not a competition, but.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And. And actually that one was like, before any of the crazy ones.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So we went out to dinner. I. I was, like, kind of nervous, but I loved.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I kind of like, what were you thinking? Were you thinking, I'm just gonna be like, sage prophetess, poetess being like, discursive analysis?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I was scared that I was just gonna say the wrong thing and then.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You were gonna like, Cancel you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Not that you were just gonna, like, run to every cool person, be like, Dylan Mulvaney. Is not it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But we really did connect. We really connected and gave. You gave me one of the greatest gifts in the world, which is Mori. And Maury is our life coach that we both share. And I was going through it, and I had asked, like, everyone in Hollywood. I was like, I'm looking for, like, a therapist or someone who. Who can help me not want to die and try to do all of this world. And you were, like, the first person that was like, this is the woman you need. And I feel like, because we've both gone to her now for so long, that we have, like, a way of communicating. Like, for example, one of the big themes with Morrie is, like, higher self. And I feel like you sort of bring my higher self out. I probably don't bring your higher self out.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, you do. My high self is someone who laughs a lot, so.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, really?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay, that's promising.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. I remember leaving that being like, whoa, this girl's an artist.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wow.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I remember being like. Because I wasn't as well versed as I am now in your theater background.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Because of the dance and songs that I do for you while you lay in bed.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. Or your just deep, like, archival knowledge of every musical ever created ever. I'm obsessed with Broadway and I'm new. Like, I'm queer and questioning. I'm really trying to learn more about the musical community. I feel like I just have. I've had a fraught relationship in the past, but I'm healing.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Speaking of trying new things. You've tried it all at this point.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

But I've just not done musical.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No musicals. But we can talk about Broadway first.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Like, was there auto tuning in the musical community yet?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I'm. I pushed for that. It's not there yet.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

If I could be that girl. If I could do that, I'd be open.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have you ever seen Such a Beautiful Night? Do you know that song?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. Oh, and I thought you were about to ask me to start singing and I was gonna walk off your podcast.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You haven't seen the Lizzie McGuire Movie?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Of course I have. Yes. I just. The ability to, like, remember songs is something that sticks with you musical people in a way where it takes me, like, it takes me about 45 seconds to the song. You can get it in, like, three seconds.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What scares you about a musical?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, it's not that it scares me. It's just that it's new to me. Just like mango juice. And I'm down to try new things.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How about this? Every time you go, I finish this glass of mango juice.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I auditioned for a musical.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You auditioned for a Broadway musical.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That's a hot take. Imagine me showing up being like, do you sing? I'd say I identify as a singer.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What would be your song? Like, your 32 bars?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't know what that means.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It means, like, 32 bars of the song. Like, do you have, like, a. What would you go to? What do you actually think you sound the best on? Be honest.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Do you know that fundamental girl group dream.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Never heard of them.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So this is where I'm aging myself. They used to have this anthem, he loves me, he loves you not. He's into what he's.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Give us a little bit.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm not gonna sing it just the tiniest. That album.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Honey, we're on camera.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I knew I was a faggot when I felt that alb. I literally. It was the first album I ever bought after O Town, actually. And then I bought that album.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I will Venmo you $14 if you sing a little bit of it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Turn that up in the car. He's into what he's got. He loves me, he loves you not. And I'd just be singing that song, feeling myself.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay, so I don't know if that should be the song that you sing for the audition. Maybe we go with, like, happy Birthday or, like.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think it's an interesting take because a lot of times people think that comedy is just about making people laugh. I'm also, like, it's about scaring people. So what if Broadway was not just about being good at music? It was also about making people furious and upset at how bad you are at music. And then I could influence a whole new genre of you come to hate. Listen. Because it's the worst singing you've ever heard in your life.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

The Broadway producers right now are like, yes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I receive a special Tony Award for my contributions to the canon of the most number of people who have walked out of a show.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wow. Now, how about favorite musical? Do you have one that's dark? Have you seen Wicked?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't think so.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, y'all, there's a time for firsts. And we are going to Wicked together. We'll take an edible.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

This is how our relationship. You're helping me grow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay, deal. You'll do that?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. I think what I had is, like, you know, I grew up Indian. I love saying that. As if I'm not Indian right now. And I was, and then I just. Not for me. But we used to watch Bollywood all the time, AKA musicals. And I used to dance and sing to all of the musicals. So actually, my first grade talent show, I did an interpretive dance to a Bollywood song called I Love my India. And I'm spinning around the stage, doing this free dance, singing along, and then the entire auditorium laughs at me. And that's the first time I remember experiencing shame. So maybe I need to heal this relationship because maybe that just circumvented me from being the next big Broadway sensation.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Because what was the response to that performance?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Everyone thought that as a boy, I shouldn't be so camp. Spinning around. Well, my interpretive dance was really, I mean, avant garde, like, groundbreaking.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And I do think you are camp. We're different shades of camp, really, don't you think?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Was that racist?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No, no. Personality camp.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, I think so. I think you're like. Like, I'm like. I was going to say I'm dark camp, and then I was like, if it contexts this conversation, we should find some other word. You're like, like a drag queen, took a gender studies course camp.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like a CIS girl at her first drag show camp.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, you're like. You're like standing out. You're like standing out after a toast at a wedding camp.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, the highlight of my life.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Like, you were so great. And all you said is, you're like a sister to me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You are so amazing. Yeah, okay, I'll take that. How about that? After that first dinner, I feel like what we both learned was that I had a tremendous amount of healing to do. And I think you had already done a lot of that healing as far as, like, this industry and existing as a trans person. What were the steps that you think that someone, like, I needed to take in order to get through that healing?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think a lot of people don't have a self concept. They only know themselves through what their parents, their religions, their cultures have told them that they should be. And in order to heal, you have to break up with that false self that was created to please the people around you and actually ask yourself, who do I want to become? It's not even who am I? Because that's too tall of an order. How do you know if you've not experienced it? But what is the kind of person I want to become? When I saw you, I knew you wanted to become a person that loved mango nectar. And this is a major moment in your healing evolution. And I want to say kudos. To that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That's what you saw in me.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I did. And what's important to realize is that healing often gets marketed as feeling good. Bubble baths. Nice confessional. Cries.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Can we take a bath tonight?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. But it's actually extremely painful because you have to contend with the fact that a lot of people who you thought loved you didn't. Because love doesn't require you to maintain a fiction of yourself. And it requires you to actually say, I'm lovable for the very parts of me that are inconsistent and weird.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. And I'm. Thank you. I feel like I'm working through a lot of people pleasing still. I don't see you doing a lot of people pleasing on the regular.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I do.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Really?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. It's not as bad as you. So I've got my own.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You've got your own.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think the way that you show love, though, is that you are such a connector. I think you've brought a lot of really special friends into my life. Like, I think that you do. You kind of get off on, like, pairing people up. It's like, oh, this is a good person for you to know.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

My favorite thing to do in the world.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So hot.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just feel like loneliness is the worst.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I would never want that for anyone. So anytime I have a friend moving to a new place, I'm like, oh, you have to meet with my six friends there. It's kind of annoying because I'll send up follow up texts like, hey, have you two changed each other's worlds yet?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have you ever set up a love interest before?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Many.

[C]

Really?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Why is nobody doing that for us?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Maybe we're not ready.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Maybe we're a tall glass of mango juice and maybe people are like me and they don't like that.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Or maybe we're the love connect we've been seeking, the two of us.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, I think we're already in love, but are we gonna kiss?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What's the next transition you have?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So. Oh, my dad.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Whoa. So we speaking about family trauma?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Speaking of family trauma. Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I just helped you with your transition.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you. You have. And in many ways, we were in San Diego, and that's where I'm famously from.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, notoriously.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

We went out to dinner, a very nice dinner with my father.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Jimmy, what's the name of that place again?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Mr. A's. Top of the building.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What did you gather from that relationship.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

To Mr. A's called mixes A's. And it's where all the gender queers in San Diego go to have nightmares for their businesses.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't think we have a Mrs. A's yet.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm gonna do the MXAs. But if you want to hold down the MSAs, I, I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. Deal.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That sounded like a gun rights organization grand collab. We had. We had dinner with your dad, and you made so much sense to me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How so?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You are like a used car salesperson. You can make a pitch for anything.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, he sells insurance.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You can sell anything to me. You can call me and be like, we gotta go to the Caribbean at a 7pm flight. I'll be like, dylan, I've got plans. And you'll be like, imagine yourself on the beach. You just make the pitch so well.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Or I make myself sound so sad that you don't have. I'd be like, I just really.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And then like watching you. Because the thing is, like, I'm extrovert, assumed. And you are too, but you can actually do that. I can't. When I'm at a function, I'm like, unless we're talking about trauma, I don't go here. I just want to talk about my mommy issues. Otherwise. Otherwise, I don't give a shit. You, on the other hand, can, like, ping pong to anyone. How's your life? How's it going? What's it going? I'm like, where did you learn that? And then I remember that my dad doesn't say bye on the phone, whereas your dad would literally be like, it was pleasure doing business with you. I love you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

He's like, hey.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And it's just annoying because every time I'm like, we can outgrow who our parents wanted us to be. Then I'm like, fuck. My parents are both nerdy bookworms who are bad at social skills. Why am I the same?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Also, this is now a musical episode of the podcast I have to have. I haven't had dinner with your family yet.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't think much speaking would occur.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I. I would be the type.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think you'd feel very nervous.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I get nervous talking.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Talking. Talking.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, that is, actually.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And then my parents would literally be like, why does she talk so much? And I'll be. Because you weren't saying anything.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Right. It's a. Oh, it's a tactic. I remember in acting class, like, when you don't say anything, it, like, makes people nervous.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. But we talked about events. We've been to a lot of events together. We've been plus ones for each other. But at Sundance, we had a little.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Bit of a snafu.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

A Snafu is what I would call it, right? Because about. I would say two days in, we had done about 74 events, and I didn't want to keep going to them. And you did.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

The thing is, because you're so social passing, I forget that you're actually an introvert. And, like, the thing is, like, I'm not an introvert. I'm just a bitch. So there's different frequencies. I can be at 74 functions, but I just want to be talking about trauma at the 74 functions, right? Whereas you are like, I'm done. I've reached. I've reached my limit. I can keep going.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But then when do you turn into a bitch?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What I'm just saying is, like, I'm not interested in any of the frivolity. I'm not interested in the small talk. I just want to talk about the meaning of life. That I can be every single moment of every single day, all the time. It's obnoxious. It's like, chill.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But you are also.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That's why they invented weed edibles. Specifically for me to stop talking to people about the meaning of life.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, my God.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Conspiracy.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What do you talk about when you're on the edibles?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Being high.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, great. I like that side of you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

All I do is say, wow. Well, I do.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I do say that. Like, you know, when we entered a friendship, I thought that that meant that, like, I'd pick up the phone and I'd get these, like, incredible, like, inspirational messages from you. But it's like, dylan, what the fuck are we wearing? And who are we kissing this weekend?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So we were having this snafu, and it was a really huge moment of awakening for me where I realized, like, I, too, had misperceived you. And the truth is, you actually need to, like, recharge, replenish.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I like to be alone.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You love your alone time.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I want to take the makeup off.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And you just. There's no better image for you than eating snacks in your bed. And I'm saying, dylan, take off your makeup. And you're like, no. And then you fall asleep with the makeup on, the makeup and the snack mixed into the makeup. So you've got actually about six different categories of snacks. Trader Joe's Hot Chips, Deleterious for your health. Just in your blush, just there, your lashes falling down.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What are you doing tonight?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And then for 24 hours, no one hears from you again.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, I go off the radar. I don't like to talk.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Done.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But you were kind of the darling of Sundance and so you really did.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Have to hit all of the sides. I did. It was belle of the ball situation.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How was that, like, was that experience exciting for you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I feel like I've never felt more me than in a tight mini mini skirt and like 20 degree weather just running through Utah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Everyone else is in sweatpants, in parkas.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

As they were trying to pass a draconian antiquarian.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I actually, famously, I have a scar on my tit because of how many times I taped them together that week. Because I was wearing these tiny little corsets in, like, negative 2 degrees.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Looked like Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber. Whenever they're at different. They're the same event but in different outfits.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That was us versus the entire festival coordinated properly. Probably thought we were in, like, Miami, but really we were in, like the tundra.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Of Utah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But during the peak.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I will never have the worst anti trans bill there.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

After we just finished all the 700 totino's pizza rolls. The only thing we ate that week. And then. But it was on Sunday night. We were leaving Monday, and I ripped the last piece of boob tape off, and it was just blood. Still a scarf there.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Hot. But your film, I love that you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Made a compelling cameo in the short doc.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I had like, three lines.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's a big deal. It's your Sundance debut.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Alex Hedison, the director.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

My favorite is when people would ask you in interviews, like, what was the most challenging part about being in the documentary?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, my.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And you'd be like, I showed up.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I. We were doing the, like, the carpet line at. At Sundance, and they were asking me all about the film. Hadn't seen it yet. And I was there. We did like one dinner or something, and it was. Was like, it was really easy for me, and I think maybe a little harder for them.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

But this is where I need you to learn how to be less sincere. You could have used us in a moment to say, I felt called by a higher power to be there. Being in the orbit of Alok made me realize trans people are sacred, you know?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's all about tones.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I'm not there yet.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's like whispering. It's a gesture.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Like, I had a great time.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

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[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's the Dealing Hour. Oh, this is a great pivot, everyone. It's usually what a girl wants, but today it's what a they wants. What a girl wants. And I'm actually going to be a part of that. Honoring the she they in my bio.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh, hey they. What do we want?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What do you want?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What do I want in the world?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It could be anything.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Anything.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Anything.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I've never been asked that question. How am I supposed to know?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Just think about the song. What a girl wants, what a girl needs. What do you. Well, that's different. Wants and needs is two very different things. I need a stomach doctor.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wowzee.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I want.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What do I want?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I want each person to live the fullest and freest version of themselves. Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wow, that's beautiful. And when you say freest, does that mean like happy?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Not necessarily, but joyous? Yeah. Happiness comes and goes, but joy is irrefutable.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Do you feel joy today?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So much.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What was the happiest joyous day of your life?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Well, the conflation of those two, I think is the issue.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Joy is an unshakeable foundation. It's my center of gravity. So even if things are bad in my life, there's still joy because I'm able to be there and show up. Joy is the opposite of dissociation. I'm feeling the thing. Happiness is pleasant sensation, but it comes and goes. So there are times where I'm joyous even when I'm sad. And there are times when I'm happy and joyous at the same time too.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Cute. Cute. I feel really happy with you right now. I think what I would like for us, a shared want is like two partners that we can take on cruises and to any sort of vacation that we'd want or that can come on tour with us when we inevitably have like a two hander comedy show maybe on Broadway. But that also really love to hang out, the two of them, so that we can hang out and we don't have to worry about them.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That is never something I ever thought about one day.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Really?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Really. That is so far from my realm of imagination.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Am I allowed to want it for you?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think that's actually called oppression. Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think it's time for our next little segment. Are you ready? It's overshare. Don't care. You know, I'm a fan of oversharing.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I feel like I'm on, like, a game show.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I was on the Price is Right. Have you ever been on game show?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. It's actually one of my biggest dreams.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Really?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Which one?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wheel of Fortune.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. You could win that. You'd be. Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Jeopardy. Like, I feel like I would get too much performance anxiety because that's like. That's like. That's like my people, like, the people who are good at Jeopardy. It's like, I love those people.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What about reality television? Dancing with the Stars?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Oh, the masked singer.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I would be chopped really early. I think I could do, like, real world.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What if we did a real world with all trans people? That would be crazy. Set at a camp. Summer camp in the woods. Murder.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Canoeing.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Go to your next. Go to your next.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Great.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So back to overshare. Don't care. I'm a big fan of oversharing. You have been very open, so I feel strongly about this one for you. I'm just gonna do lightning. Round of questions. Are you ready?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think so.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Favorite era in history or in my life?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Favorite era or Taylor Swift era. I love the new album. I really do. I love it. I'm gonna say that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite fruit.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Mangoes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Least favorite fruit.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Pomegranates.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite season.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Spring.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite European city?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Amsterdam.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite piece of queer pop culture?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Chapel. Rowan.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How often do you cry?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Not enough.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Favorite holiday?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Holidays that are secular, but kind of Christmas in camp. Disguise. Dream date on a podcast with you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Hobby you'd like to take up?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Knitting.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What are you most scared of? Trying Musicals. Wow.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So that was really stressful.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That was really well executed. I was not sad about the Taylor Swift of it all. Do you think we get Taylor Swift on the Dylan Hour?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I would be so. I've never actually felt proud of you, but if you were to do that, maybe you could earn my love.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Can you imagine if, like, we really. Taylor saw this and she was like, damn, I want them to be close. And she was like, I'm gonna heal.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

If she wanted to heal the trans and non binary divine.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's right. It's on that couch right there. But more so era, like, think about fashion.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh, so we're going back to the question now.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah, I just wanted you to, like, kind of like, check in on that, because I don't really place you ever in a specific era.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, I think the joy of being queer is that all these categories are suggestions.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So are you saying that my affinity for 1960s clothing is anti queer?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, T. What I'm saying is that, like, you can. You can draw inspo from everything in time travel with fashion.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

So you don't need to pick one.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. This idea of having to pick when people was like this or this or pick. I'm like, why can't we have it all, period?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. We now both love Chapel Rowan.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I wish that people would sometimes say comma, comma, you know, not all sentences need to finish, comma. There you go. Thank you.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Then it's a run on sentence.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That's what it means to be alive.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And then you say period.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I feel like the sentence keeps going and then you die. So maybe, like, the tombstone could just have a period on it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, that's. I say, like, we're still in a prayer and.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Or if, like, if you're getting cremated, we could find a way to, like, print a period and put it with the body as it's being burned.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Is that how. Is that you telling me how you want to be buried?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm still thinking about that. I'm queer and questioning around that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I want to be in a tree. Like, I want to be down there with. I want my body not in a coffin or anything, just to go into the shirt or a Bora Bora. I didn't write this down anywhere. So this is actually my last testament.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm dying.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You get all my clothes, but then disperse them to the people we like.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't know if I want. I'll take your purses.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That was dark.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Do you hate my outfits?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, I like them, but it's just like, I don't know if we wear the same things, you know, because often you give me fat.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I like your clothes.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And I'm like, are you serious?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I told you to wear that dress.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, but would you wear this dress?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. Never? Yes. Why not never?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

If I was going to a Christmas party with a big ass bow in.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

My hair, like in the Powerpuff Girl Trio. You're Blossom. You're Blossom. I'm the one with the black hair.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Wait, no, no, no. Buttercup and then I'm bubbles.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Actually, probably you're bubbles. I'm butter cup.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So it's just like, we have different vibes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You don't want my chunky knit?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Not particularly.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. But maybe just, like, I don't feel the need.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't feel the need.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You could shadow box it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I don't feel the need to, like, shame you. I'm just saying, what do you want.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Of my stuff when I'm dead?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Your lamp collection.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Really? Yeah, I think I would, like.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Are we talking about what you want when I die?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

How did we get here?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't know.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Is this us coping with the political situation trans people are under in this moment?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Famously, that is what we always talk about before we go to bed.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

So true.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Where I. Every time I'm, like, thinking, like, I'm, like, five years from now, and it looks like, I don't know what this is gonna look like in five years, like, why are you planning for five years from now? We need to be talking about tomorrow. Yep, exactly. You've given me a lot of advice over the years. How about answering a little advice for one of my listeners? Are you down?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm so down.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Hello, honey. Dear Dylan, this is Madison. Lately, I've been struggling with a constant worry about people liking me.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I recently started my own business, and I'm wondering how to create boundaries, be a boss babe, and stand firm in my opinions and convictions without constantly worrying about needing to seem nice or sweet. I know I'm a good person, but I fear that if someone disagrees with me or if I have an opinion about something, it makes me a bad person.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Help.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Madison. I may not be your girl because I. I think I call. I think I'm Madison. I think I picked up the phone and I just left that voicemail for myself. Alok.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. Try.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. I. I will say that I have gotten better with letting go of what other people think of me by first going to, like, as I. I. I don't totally recommend having to lean on other people for support, but in those really tricky moments where you can't find the good in yourself, go into the people that you truly love and that truly love you so much and, and just having a check in and being like, I'm. Am I this thing that people are perceiving me as? Or, or, you know, can you tell that I'm putting something on? Like, I love being called out by my friends on, like, they were like, what are you doing? What are you saying? That's not who you are so I. I do think having those few people that you can turn to when you need.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What I would say, Madison, is you're not for everyone, and you have to trust divine filtration. The more you you are, the more you're going to magnetize the people who are interested in what you have to offer. And for every person who's a naysayer, there's going to be three more that are signing up for you. So rather than focusing on the losses, see them as clearing space for the people you needed in your court all long.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Who are the people that are, like. That are typically drawn to you? Like, what kind of people do you bring in?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Water signs, O Deeply felt.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah, I bring in moms.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. I have a big. I love moms. I should. I haven't met your mom yet.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Once again, I'm. I'm just not really sure you would communicate.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think we'd get there maybe if.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You, like, sat next to each other.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And read, oh, we could go see a musical. You. We could go see your opening night on Broadway.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I think my mom would literally be so embarrassed at how bad I was. She would just be, like, hiding in the bathroom.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I feel like, can you believe that's your child?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

She'd be like, no, I can't.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Intermission.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Booked it.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Out.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Out. Speaking of her exit interview, she's leaving my musical. She's like, I'm done with this shit. This gig is over. Chopping me.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Change last name.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Going to the family tree and just snapping a branch.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Family tree. It's time for blasts from the past. We have a photo that we found online of you, and it is this one right here.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Give us a little context.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Okay, so I remember getting that pink kurta and literally being, like, so into it. I would wear it all the time. And I'm sitting there in my childhood home in College Station, Texas, next to my older sister Elka, and I think that's, like, a little party we were having. I think it might have been one of her birthday parties. Cute. Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Are you still close?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I need to apologize to her publicly because during her birthdays, I felt like I wasn't the center of attention. So I would make my parents write, happy birthday, Elka, and Alok on her birthday cakes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

No. Oh.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Or, like, give me a separate cake on her birthday. It was my half birthday, and I feel like that was really messed up of me, and, like, there's not enough apologies I can have for how rude I was at five to do that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Is it, like, has she Never invited you to, like, an adult birthday party of hers.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

She has. She's a real. She's a real trooper. She's been through a lot and she shows up.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What's your relationship to birthdays?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I love a good birthday.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What I do on birthdays is I. I bring people around and I make them compliment me. And if they don't do it in an articulate, interesting or insightful way, I give that feedback and ask them to do a draft too.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. Yeah. Should I give you a compliment right now?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No. It's on my birthday.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Let's talk really quick.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

LA versus New York.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

What are your thoughts?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm an unapologetic and flagrant New York supremacist and LA is cosplaying as a city and it's like. If small talk was diffused across millions of people, that would be it. It's like the Good Place. Equal parts gorgeous and dystopian. It's like every moment I have to remind myself, this is not hell.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That was more offensive than calling me a man. This is my town and I love it.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

What does that say about you? I want personality. I want people who have struggle and emotional baggage.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I'm sitting right here.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I want people. I want people like seasons build character. You know, when it's cold outside, what are you gonna do? Talk about boring things? No, you're gonna talk about. About what? Trauma.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But you don't end up talking because you're in your bed alone. Under the condition.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's la, where everyone's separated from each other and the most diverse area is a highway where you can't even talk to people unless you're screaming at each other.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, and it's a little convenient when your friends live in your building.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Why did you want to bring up the most politically controversial opinions that I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have about LA versus New York?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's just I get really supremacist when it comes to this and it's not okay. I need to have more loving grace and accept that there are different frequencies for different people. I get that I brought you onto this show, but my body does not.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Just show the worst parts of yourself.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wow. I feel like you've done a good job.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Thank you. Thank you so much. The birthday cake thing still kills me.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It was. I love sheet cake and I still to this day order people have a birthday, like, get a nice bakery. Now I go to the local grocery store and I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How do you feel about ice cream cakes? Love cold stone. That's my birthday cake order is the birthday cake remix.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Who do you think came up with ice cream cakes?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Someone that I would totally kiss. How long ago do you think that was?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

That sounds like an error related question, which makes me think of Taylor and I don't want to go there now. We can pivot to the part where I'm grilling you. You know, I feel like this podcast comes at an interesting point in your career and your life where you've been under so much scrutiny for so long and now it's like you showing the world who you really are outside of who other people say that you are. How does that feel?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think it's another place for me to put my foot in my mouth and a new way to connect with people and. And like, show them other parts of myself. I think that I love to talk more than anything and I love to talk to my friends. And I think that so many very conservative people have podcasts that I thought it was time that we throw a few more trans people in the ring.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'm not really sure that there's like more of a dystopia than a conservative podcast. Like those two words together are something.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

That I think we've been on a few without our knowledge.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Really. I've made so many guest cameos, I had no idea.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah, and you've been on those for a long time.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

A long time.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

How long has this career been for you now? What's left to do other than the Broadway musical?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Oh, like professionally, any.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. What do you want to try?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I'd love to be a dramatic actress. You know, just like, no jokes, just like embodied crying. And then I'd love to like go across the world and lecture people on my method and act very serious about it and say extremely far fetched things. Like, in order to get in character, I immerse myself in mango nectar baths. And then people are doing mango nectar baths in order to like get into.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It because of you. That sounds like a cult.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's just an acting thing.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

It's just for actors.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

It's just for actors. It's a method.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Have you ever found yourself in a culture cult?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I mean, we're all in cults.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I would be the first one to join. I wanted to be a. A Mormon for a while there.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And while you were touring?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

While I was in Book of Mormon because they were so nice and they're so hot and they're all like dentists and I love keeping up with my teeth.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

But you don't go to doctors but you do go to dentists as an adult?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. I love a dentist because they also do Botox in Utah.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

The dentists do Botox?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yes. See, this is our dynamic. I teach you things, you teach me things.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yes.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

And they're both. They're all hot. Great teeth. Would you ever get veneers? I don't think we should.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

I haven't thought about that.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't think you need them.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Thank you. Would you let me know if I.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Did well in the way that maybe. No, I wouldn't. I don't.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

But also, you've got a beautiful smile. The way that maybe you tell people that you don't like their partners is maybe the way that I should start telling people if they need veneers or not.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Wow.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I don't think so.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

You know, compassion, Passionate. Courageous. To be honest.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

I think it's about time. Take your last sips. Do you need a ride home?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Yeah. Okay. Are you going over Down?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Yeah. Okay, cool. You're down. Yeah. Okay. Hey, everyone. It's been a really special.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

The final video footage of Dylan Mulvaney before she passes away, driving.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Well, at least we know that. I want to be buried in a tree and. Or sprinkled in board where my clothing is going, going.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

And I think we do know where it's going.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You want my lamps?

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Where's retirement home?

[Dylan Mulvaney]

You think I have grandma clothes as I'm wearing a grandma dress? I'm also sad because I feel like the way we should have ended this episode is with For Good from Wicked. You being Alphabet, me being Glinda, and you don't know the words.

[Alok Vaid-Menon]

Everyone's wrapping up. The electricity is about to be cut out.

[Dylan Mulvaney]

Okay. Yeah, I have been changed for good. Drink your juice, Shelby. Want even more of the Dylan Hour? Now is a great time to subscribe to Lemonada Premium. You'll get bonus content, outtakes and more from conversations with fabulous guests like Joe Locke and Dylan's dad, Jim Mulvaney. Just hit the subscribe button on Apple podcasts. Or for all other podcast apps, head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe. That's Lemonade Premium premium dot com. The Dylan Hour is a production of La Monada Media. Our supervising producer is Jess Kryncic. Producers are Carmen Laurent, Keegan Zema and Aria Bracci. Audio and video production and engineering by Jordan Lynn, Ivan Koraev and Brian Castillo. Our SVP of weekly programming is Steve Nelson. Our theme song was composed by Daniel Mertzluft and arranged by Aaron Kaufman. Special thanks to Mega Strickland executive producers Stephanie Whittles, Wax, Jessica Cordova Kramer, Katherine Law and Dylan Mulvaney. You can find us online at Lemonada Media and you can find Dylan on TikTok and Instagram. Ylan Mulvaney Follow the Dylan Hour wherever you get your podcasts or listen. Ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership.