Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 4) (8/11/26)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 4)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: August 11, 2026

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Main Theme

This episode continues the detailed walkthrough of the preliminary hearing in the Tyler Robinson case, focusing on the testimony of Officer Bagley regarding campus security actions taken on September 10, 2025 at Utah Valley University (UVU). The episode delves into physical locations, security measures, and legal procedures about the admissibility of evidence and clarity of the courtroom record.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Officer Bagley’s Testimony: Overview of Duties & Locations

• Assignment Details

  • Officer Bagley was assigned to secure the south end of the Hall of Flags and monitor a gathering above a tent that had generated crowd interest.
  • His shift began around 11:00am.
  • “It was to secure the top of the hall of flags on the south end. So we had people that were gathering on top of that that were looking down on top of the tent.” (01:18)

• Location Clarification

  • Utilized yellow tape barriers to restrict access.
  • The officer specified his position next to flower pots and a feugal on the south end.
  • Described campus geography using photographic exhibits.
  • “So if you can see the tent, the white tent, there’s the rooftop where the red brick is. I was on top of that.” (02:12)

2. Legal Handling of Evidence & Courtroom Procedure

• Discussions on Publishing Exhibits

  • Kathy Nestor (defense) raised a concern about documents displayed on a screen visible via livestream before official admittance.
  • Judge Graff agreed to turn off the lectern screen until proper process was followed.
  • “We’re getting reports that documents shown on the lectern screen are being live streamed. So maybe if we could just not show that one until it’s admitted.” — Kathy Nestor (03:20)

• Foundation for Exhibit Admission

  • Debate regarding whether Bagley had sufficient knowledge to authenticate photos from the day in question.
  • Judge overruled defense objection, confirming Bagley’s familiarity with the scene and its representation.
  • “He has testified that he’s familiar with it... And because that foundation has been laid, state’s exhibit 2 is admitted and may be published.” — Judge Graff (05:54)

3. Physical Layout of UVU (Clarified for Record)

• Navigating the Exhibit

  • Bagley walked through identifying buildings: Losee Center, Woodbury Business, Fugal Building, Sorensen Center, and the courtyard.
  • Bagley described location and features—ex: “Losee building…it’s made of gravel…has two different colors of gray.” (06:37)
  • Judge prompted witnesses to describe physical gestures verbally for the audio record:
    • “As you’re identifying, indicate the general location... Left side, right side, middle, upper, lower, just so the record knows to some degree where you’re pointing...” — Judge Graff (10:10)

• Public Access and Access Restrictions

  • Access to Losee rooftop discussed, noting it can be reached via an outdoor stairway beside the building.
  • There’s a handrail as a physical barrier; though restricted, it can be hopped over.
  • “There’s actually a little handrail, like a little guardrail, probably about a couple feet high that somebody could jump over.” (12:34)

4. Notable Quotes & Moments

• Officer Describes Security Measures and Access

  • “Somebody could hop over that railway.” — Officer Bagley (12:57)

• Clarity for the Record

  • “It just creates a more complete record. Thank you.” — Judge Graff insisting on descriptive direction for non-recorded visual references (10:22)

• Testimony Wrap-up

  • “All right, folks, we’re going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode…we’re going to pick up where we left off.” — Bobby Capucci (13:35)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:00 – Beginning of actual proceedings; Officer Bagley is questioned.
• 02:10-04:30 – Description of locations and barriers; first objections on visual exhibits.
• 05:34-06:30 – Arguments about admitting photographic evidence.
• 09:04-10:40 – Officer steps down to point out locations on the exhibit.
• 10:10-11:00 – Judge instructs on how to verbally clarify exhibit references for the record.
• 11:50-13:20 – Officer discusses access routes and security measures involving the Losee building rooftop.
• 13:35 – Host Bobby Capucci moves to wrap up.

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Tone & Style

• The podcast maintains a serious, methodical tone in accordance with legal proceedings.
• Dialogue is direct, formal, and focused on clarity and procedural accuracy.
• Host Bobby Capucci remains factual, providing context and facilitating easy follow-up for the next episode.

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Final Notes

• This segment covers courtroom logistics, clarifies important campus geography regarding the case, and details the specific duties and testimony for Officer Bagley.
• The episode provides solid context for the physical evidence and witness testimony that will inform later stages of the preliminary hearing.

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For additional information and documents referenced in this episode, listeners are directed to the episode’s description box.

Transcript

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What's up everyone? And welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're picking back up with the prelim hearing for Tyler Robinson. Question to officer Bagley, were you working that day? Yes, I was. Question at uvu I was. Yes. Question okay, do you remember what time your shift started? Approximately? Answer yeah, it Approximately started about 11 o' clock in the morning. Answer or question 11 o' clock in the morning? Answer yeah. Question okay, did you receive any specific assignment shortly after coming onto duty? Answer Yes, I did. Question and what was that assignment? Answer. It was to secure the top of the hall of flags on the south end. So we had people that were gathering on top of that that were looking down on top of the tent. So we wanted to secure that area. So I was put on top of the hall of flags on the south end. Question. Okay, my apologies, your honor. Could we have exhibit one published? The judge, Tony Graff. Let's go ahead and republished at exhibit one. Thank you. Question. You mentioned that you were securing the south end of the walkway on top of the hall of flags. Yes. Question and so where do we find that in this exhibit, Officer? Answer. So if you can see the tent, the white tent, there's the rooftop where the red brick is. I was on top of that. And then there's some. Actually, it looks like yellow crime scene tape. That was some of our barrier that we put up so people wouldn't go above that and walk. So I was sitting right by those flower pots, plants that were by the fugal on the south end. So Is the south end on the bottom of this photograph? Answer yes. Where that walkway kind of begins from the bottom? Answer yes. And you refer to a tent. Is that the white object that we see inside the courtyard? Yeah, the square white object with the tent. Okay, thank you. So you are securing the area? Answer yeah. Question did you have the opportunity that morning you mentioned you checked on about 11 o'? Clock? Yeah, that morning and later to walk around the campus that day? Yes. Did you walk along the hall of Flags that day? I did. Question. That walkway? Yes. Did you visit the courtyard that day as well, down below? Yes, on the south? I was down there. Okay, let's see. Officer, I'm going to turn your attention to State Exhibit 2, and that should come up on your monitor there. Let me know when you see that, if you would. Kathy Nestor, a lawyer for Tyler Robinson, jumps in. Your Honor, if we could maybe not have that on the lectern screen. We're getting reports that documents shown on the lectern screen are being live streamed. So maybe if we could just not show that one until it's admitted. Judge Graff, Mr. Grnider. Grnader. I'll submit to the court. Judge, I've got copies of these myself. They I can refer to as I'm asking questions. The judge. All right, well, I'll go ahead and grant the request by Ms. Nestor. We'll go ahead and. Inaudible Just there should be a power button to the left. Gr. I'm not sure where that's at. Did you try here? So they're going back and forth trying to get the screen turned off. Now, the judge says after it's turned off. And if at any point, Mr. Gruenider, you need to use the monitor, let's revisit that. And obviously, Ms. Nestor, you can renew your objection if needs be, but for now, the monitor is turned off. Let's go ahead and proceed. Thank you, Officer. Do you see State Exhibit 2 on your monitor? Yes, I do. And do you recognize that? I do. And what is it? This is a picture from the east side looking west of the campus. Okay. Are you familiar with what's depicted in the photograph? Yes, I am. Okay. And does it show, for example, the Losee center that we've talked about? Yes, it does. Does it depict the Woodbury business building that we've talked about? Yes. Question and what about the Fugal building? Answer yes. Does it show the Sorensen Center? Answer yes. Answer. And also the hall of Flags? Answer yes. Question. In this particular exhibit, can you also see the courtyard? Answer I can. A partial of it. Question. A partial of it. Okay. Does it fairly and accurately depict the area of campus of UVU on September 10, 2025? Answer yes. Question. Okay. Your Honor, the state offers state exhibit number two. Kathy Nestor jumps in, you, Honor. We renew our standing. Objection. We also argue that the foundation hasn't been laid in terms of the time this was taken or who took it and at what point in time this was created and how so. I don't think he has any personal knowledge of that, and we'd object. Grnader jumps in same argument. Judge. He has testified that he's familiar with it. He's personally familiar with it. He's testified that it's fair and accurate and as of the day of September 10, 2025. And that's what was asked of them. Judge Graff. All right, I'll go ahead and overrule the objection by defense noting that the witness has laid. Well, he has expressed that this is a fair and accurate representation of what it purports to be, and he's familiar with it. He was there on the day on September 10th. And because that foundation has been laid, states exhibit to is admitted and may be published. Groenender. Thank you, Judge. State moves to publish exhibit two. Officer, I'm going to direct your attention to the exhibit on the monitor facing the gallery of the court today. Can you describe. There's a large building in the middle of that photograph, slightly above the middle. But what building are we looking at there? You're looking at the rooftop of the Losey building. It's got two different grays, like a lighter gray and a darker gray. Are you familiar with the rooftop then? Yes, I am. Question. What's it made of? It's made of gravel. Gravel. Okay. You mentioned two different grades, or did you say grays? Grays. Grunadour graze. Okay. All right. Now, you described what you could see, the courtyard, but it wasn't easily visible in this photograph. Where is the courtyard located? On the state's exhibit number two. You've got the white roof that's going to be in the middle just to the top of the building where the LOSI is I described. There's a white roof there. That's the Sorenson building. And just below that you can see some grass. And that's where the courtyard is. It's just to the left of that white roof. Question, your honor, I'm going to ask. The witness could actually come down from the stand and point where the courtyard is located in the exhibit for the court's behalf, the judge. All right, do we have a second microphone so it picks up his voice? Okay, Ms. Nestor, thank you for allowing us. Officer, you may step down. Approach the monitor. And I would ask that you speak into the microphone when responding to a question.

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okay. Can you hear me? Ask the officer. The judge. I can. Thank you. Question by groenender Officer, for our benefit, could you describe again where the LOSI center is in this photograph? Answer. The low C center is going to be the one with the gray roof. It's got two different colors of gray. Question. Two different colors of gray. Okay, I'm blind. I can't see the two different colors from here. But can you describe where the court looks like? We went blank. Comes back on. Can you point to where the courtyard is located on that exhibit? The courtyard is going to be here, where this grass is in this area right here. Okay, and what about the Fugal Building? The Fugal building is going to be this building right here. Question. And the Woodbury Business building. Then Woodbury is going to be this one right here with the red brick path. And the Sorensen Center. Sorensen center is going to be the white roof one that's right here. Okay, now on this exhibit, can you see the LDS Institute building and parking structure that we've talked about? No, not really. You've got the backside of the institute building, which is right here. And the parking structure is over there, so you can't see the next Judge Graff jumps in. Mr. Grueniger, let me stop you just for the benefit of the record, because the record is picking up the audio when you're pointing it to. And I know it may be a little bit laborious to do this, but as you're identifying, indicate the general location on it. The left side right Side, middle, upper, lower, Just so the record knows to some degree where you're pointing in that way, because the video isn't being captured. The. So if you would do that, it just creates a more complete record. Thank you, Gruenider. Understood. That's fair. Thank you, judge. So again, let's point to the courtyard and if you'll describe as best you can where it's located on the photograph. On this photograph, the courtyard is going to be this grass area that's going to be towards the top of the picture. The baseball field's behind it. It's closer to the surrounded buildings. There is some grass in there. That would be the courtyard area. Question okay, and we've talked about the hall of Flags and the walkway above that hall. Where is that located on the photograph? Answer the hall of Flags is going to be right by the courtyard. Just to the west of it, there's a red brick. Towards the top of the picture, there's a red brick pathway that goes from the Fugal Building, which is on the left of the picture, towards the right of the picture, which is a science building area. Queen question okay, and then the Sorensen center, is that the building in the middle with a large white roof? Yeah, it's going to be towards the upper part of the picture. Middle of it, it's going to be a white roof. That would be the Sorensen Center. Question and just to the north and east of the courtyard. Answer yeah, north and east. Question okay, and then finally, if you would describe Losi Building, the location of that on this exhibit, the Loci Building could be pretty much in the middle, on the right side. Middle to the right, it's going to have two different colors of gray, a darker gray and a lighter gray. There's a red pathway and that will be the Loci Center. Okay, you mentioned, Officer, that there were different stories on the Loci Building. How many stories does the Loci Building have? There's four. Question Four stories. Okay, you mentioned that you were familiar with the rooftop. Do you know how to gain access to the rooftop of the LOSI building? Answer yeah, there's actually an outside stairway right here that comes up. It's going to be just to the south of the LOSI Building. There's a red pathway right directly in the middle of the picture. Off to the south of the left side of the picture is an outdoor stairway. Question Is that open to the public? Answer it is. Question and how would someone access the roof from the stairway? Answer if they came up, that would put someone right on the pathway. That goes between the Losei center and down towards the computer science building. There's a red pathway. There's actually a little handrail, like a little guardrail, probably about a couple feet high that somebody could jump over. Is that restricted? Is it off limits? Answer yes, it is. There's a natural barrier with the guardrail, and from there on there's no path. It's a gravel roof, so it's not paved like everything else. Question but someone could hop over that railway. Answer yes, Chad Grenader. Okay, thank you, officer. You can take your seat again. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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