Bill Gates Among Seven Asked to Testify in House Epstein Inquiry

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles Episode: Bill Gates Among Seven Asked to Testify in House Epstein Inquiry
Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: May 26, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci breaks down the latest developments in the congressional inquiry into Jeffrey Epstein's criminal network, focusing on seven high-profile individuals—including Bill Gates—who have been formally asked to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Capucci analyzes the significance of these subpoenas, sheds light on the likely resistance from some central Epstein associates, and expresses skepticism about the potential for real accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Who Has Been Asked to Testify? (01:01)

• The list now includes: Leslie Groff, Sarah Kellen, Leon Black, Doug Band, Ted Waite, Katherine Rummler, and Bill Gates.
• Capucci is particularly interested in the inclusion of Groff and Kellen, two long-time Epstein assistants with deep, protected connections to the core of Epstein’s operations.
• He notes that these associates “have a whole lot to lose. More to lose than just about anybody else in Jeffrey Epstein's whole circle” (02:13).

2. Skepticism About Congressional Action (01:50)

• Capucci voices doubt that Groff or Kellen would ever subject themselves to incrimination by testifying voluntarily:
  “I have some doubts about either of them showing up willingly. And if you want to talk to the core of four, my guess is you’re going to have to compel them to be there under subpoena.” (03:10)

3. Context of the House Inquiry (04:30)

• Host summarizes the CBS News report, noting that Committee Chair James Comer stated that the individuals may provide information on:
  • Mismanagement of the federal government's investigation into Epstein and Maxwell
  • Ways in which Epstein and Maxwell sought favor and exploited influence
  • Potential violations of ethics rules among elected officials
• Capucci points out that the inquiry noticeably doesn't address oversight of the DOJ or FBI:
  “Notice it doesn’t talk about how the DOJ needs to be overseen or how there needs to be a look at the FBI... They got to make sure the institutions can keep on humming even if the institutions are completely broke.” (05:05)

4. Reactions from Those Subpoenaed (06:50)

• Gates's team stated he intends to cooperate and has nothing to hide regarding Epstein:
  “‘While he never witnessed or participated in any of Epstein’s illegal conduct, he’s looking forward to answering all the committee’s questions to support their important work.’ Oh, what a hero. What a white knight, what a savior. Give yourself a round of applause.” (07:12)
• Katherine Rummler and her spokesperson claim she only interacted with Epstein as a criminal defense attorney, with nothing shady involved.
• Groff's attorney declined comment.

5. Non-Prosecution and Protection Deals (03:25 & 07:50)

• Capucci revisits how Groff and Kellen received immunity via Epstein’s 2008 non-prosecution agreement:
  “If the federal government pursued the case the way they should have... every body would have been charged. So that’s why you see them get the non-prosecution agreement as basically a payoff to remain quiet.” (03:38)
• He underscores the circumstantial evidence against them and the likelihood of a grand jury indictment were it not for their legal shields.

6. The DOJ's Role, Released Files & Broader Network (08:40)

• Host criticizes media understatement of Epstein’s victim count:
  “Dozens. The Justice Department Itself said over a thousand. Where do they get these numbers from?” (08:53)
• Files were only released after legislative pressure and a presidential signature, suggesting ongoing institutional reluctance.

7. Bill Gates’s Connections & Contradictions (09:50–13:21)

• Gates’s apology to the Gates Foundation staff is recounted, in which he downplays his relationship with Epstein, despite admitting to traveling with him and sharing a private jet.
• Capucci mocks Gates’s minimization:
  “Yeah, you know, hardly knew each other. I fly on jets with people all the time who I don’t know. I mean, I’m flying commercial, but that’s not the point, I guess.” (10:55)
• Discusses Epstein’s emails containing unverified but scandalous allegations about Gates’s affairs and attempts to secretly treat his wife for STDs, which Gates’s team calls “absolutely absurd and completely false.”
• Capucci points out the tension between Gates’s denials and his admissions:
  “So he was lying, okay? Just like he's been lying about everything that has to do with Jeffrey Epstein. And if you want to believe him, cool. I don't care. Personally, I don't believe the guy at all.” (13:15)

8. Katherine Rummler’s Involvement (13:21)

• Rummler’s email describing Epstein: “she adored Epstein.”
• Noted that she arranged a White House tour for Woody Allen at Epstein’s request.
• Her recent resignation from Goldman Sachs is attributed to the pressure following document releases.

9. Leon Black’s Dealings with Epstein (14:10)

• Details from DOJ files:
  • Black sought Epstein’s advice on managing a secret affair and paid large sums for his “services.”
  • Black entered into financial settlements and non-disclosure agreements with a Russian woman, facilitated by Epstein.
  • Black paid Epstein $158 million for “tax and estate planning.”
• Capucci lampoons the so-called exonerations of such figures:
  “Well, he’s been cleared. Donald Trump’s been cleared by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton’s been cleared by Donald Trump. I guess we could just pack it in, huh? No need to have any subpoenas, no need for an investigation.” (15:28)

10. Overall Skepticism and What Comes Next (16:18)

• Capucci does not expect significant new revelations from these depositions but remains open-minded:
  “But with that said, we’ll keep an open mind and we’ll see what happens.” (16:35)
• Commits to continued coverage as events develop.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On congressional reluctance:
  “They got to make sure the institutions can keep on humming even if the institutions are completely broke.” (05:05)

• On Bill Gates:
  “Oh, what a hero. What a white knight, what a savior. Give yourself a round of applause. Bill Gates.” (07:12) “I fly on jets with people all the time who I don’t know. I mean, I’m flying commercial, but that’s not the point, I guess.” (10:55)

• On Groff and Kellen’s refusal:
  “I highly doubt that Leslie Groff wants anything to do with being under oath when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Considering how she benefited and how she grew her wealth on the back of pain and suffering, I’d be pretty scared if I was her too.” (08:07)

• On institutional accountability:
  “Well, he’s been cleared. Donald Trump’s been cleared by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton’s been cleared by Donald Trump. I guess we could just pack it in, huh?” (15:30)

• On the value of new depositions:
  “Have you learned anything new from any of these depositions yet? I know I haven’t.” (16:26)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:01 — Review of new individuals asked to testify/subpoenaed
• 03:10 — On the likelihood and significance of Groff and Kellen testifying
• 05:05 — Congressional focus and omission of DOJ/FBI oversight
• 07:12 — Host’s mocking of Bill Gates’s response
• 08:40 — On the actual scope of Epstein’s victims and DOJ document release
• 09:50 — Gates’s apology, timeline, and possible contradictions
• 13:21 — Details on Katherine Rummler and her ties to Epstein
• 14:10 — Leon Black’s financial and tactical relationship with Epstein
• 16:18 — Host’s skepticism and final thoughts on the efficacy of the inquiry

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Episode Tone & Language

Bobby Capucci’s approach is pointed, irreverent, and uncompromising. He expresses deep skepticism toward official narratives, prominent figures’ denials, and the sincerity of institutional investigations. The episode is laced with sarcasm, rhetorical questions, and a “no punches pulled” attitude that characterizes the show’s brand.

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode offers a dense, critical breakdown of political, legal, and financial ties in the Epstein case, focusing heavily on what’s left unsaid or uninvestigated by the powers that be. Through pointed commentary, Capucci questions the possibility of real accountability and keeps listeners abreast of every shift in the congressional inquiry.

Transcript

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we have some more news on the Congressional subpoena front, as we're now adding Leslie Groff, Sarah Kellen, Leon Black, Doug Band and Ted Waite, the former boyfriend of Glenn Maxwell, to the list. And of course we talked about Katherine Rumler and Howard Lutnick previously, so these are added on to that. And again, I don't expect much from Congress, but it'll be interesting at least to see people get put under oath. And as far as Sarah Kellen goes or Leslie Grof, I highly doubt that either of them are going to put themselves into legal jeopardy by incriminating themselves in front of Congress. So I doubt that Leslie Groff and Sarah Kellen are ever gonna show up. Now maybe if you subpoena them and you try and compel them to do so, but short of that, asking them to come, okay, I guess. But if you know anything about the case, you know that both of them have a whole lot to lose. More to lose than just about anybody else in Jeffrey Epstein's whole circle. Considering the scope and the length of time that they were both with Epstein. And according to all the reports we've heard, the both of them were key components in his criminal enterprise. So it's not like those two were just, you know, hanging around. They weren't just invited to a party. And there's a reason that the both of them were given protection under the NPA because Epstein and his lawyers knew that they were dead to rights. If the federal government pursued the case the way they should have pursued the case, then everybody would have been charged. So that's why you see them get the non prosecution agreement as basically a payoff to remain quiet. Now of course there was a financial component to all of that as well and both of them received a ton of money from Jeffrey Epstein. So I have some doubts about either of them showing up willingly. And if you want to talk to the core of four, my guess is you're going to have to compel them to be there under subpoena. Alright, so this article was published by CBS News and the headline Bill Gates among seven Asked to Testify before House Committee on Possible Epstein Ties this article was authored by Faris Tanios. Microsoft co founder Bill Gates is among seven people who on Tuesday were asked to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee regarding its ongoing investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The six others are Leslie Groff, a former longtime executive assistant to Epstein Sarah Kellen, another former Epstein employee Katherine Ruemmler, former White House counsel to former President Barack Obama Leon Black, co founder of Apollo Global Management Doug Band, a longtime personal aide and counselor to former President Bill Clinton, who along with his wife, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, both testified separately on Epstein before the House Oversight Committee last week and tech billionaire Ted Waite, a former boyfriend of Epstein, associate co conspirator all around scuzzbag, fellow child abuser and bipedal serpent. You mean Ghislaine Maxwell hol attended Chelsea Clinton's 2010 wedding as a guest of Maxwell. And you notice they say here that Maxwell wasn't the plus one. Ted Waite was. In the seven letters, House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer writes that the committee believes the recipients have information that will assist in its investigation. Comer explains that the committee is reviewing the alleged mismanagement of the federal government's investigation is into Epstein and Maxwell Ways in which Epstein and Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence to protect their illegal activities and potential violations of ethics rules related to elected officials. Notice it doesn't talk about how the DOJ needs to be overseen or how there needs to be a look at the FBI, right? No, no, no, can't have that. That's what they're trying to protect. They got to make sure the institutions can keep on humming even if the institutions are completely broke. The seven were given testimony dates ranging from April 16 to June 9. A spokesperson for Gates indicated that he planned to testify before the committee Gates welcomes the opportunity to appear before the committee. The spokesperson told CBS News in a statement. While he never witnessed or participated in any of Epstein's illegal conduct, he. He's looking forward to answering all the committee's questions to support their important work. Oh, what a hero. What a white knight, what a savior. Give yourself a round of applause. Bill Gates. Meanwhile, this idiot has been lying about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein for all these years, but all of a sudden he's just so sorry and he wants to come clean. Jennifer Connelly. A spokesperson for Rummler, told CBS News that Rummler welcomes the opportunity to appear before the committee. At the time she interacted with Jeffrey Epstein, she was a practicing criminal defense attorney and shared a client with him. The spokesperson said she has done nothing wrong and had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal activity on his part. Well, we talked about her earlier, so we're just gonna keep it moving. It's very obvious that Rummeler was very much closer to Jeffrey Epstein than she ever let on and that she's been lying about her relationship to him for all these years. An attorney for Groff said she had no comment on the letter. Oh, I bet not. Like I said, I highly doubt that Leslie Groff wants anything to do with being under oath when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Considering how she benefited and how she grew her wealth on the back of pain and suffering, I'd be pretty scared if I was her too. And I think there are mountains of evidence, circumstantial and otherwise, that would easily lead to a grand jury indicting Leslie Groff and Sarah Kellen. CBS News also reached out to Black Band and Waite for a comment and is attempting to contact Kellen. None of the seven have been criminally charged with wrongdoing in connection with with Epstein. Nice little qualifier, but do you really think that's the case? Do you really think that none of them have been targeted? If that's the case, then why is Leslie Groff and Sarah Kellen Vickers protected under the npa? And why did Judge Nathan call Sarah Kellen Vickers a co conspirator in open court? So you can save your qualifiers when you're talking about Sarah Kellen Vickers. The House request comes after the Justice Department in December began the process of releasing millions of files related to its decades long investigation into Epstein, a wealthy financier pedophile who was accused of running an extensive sex trafficking operation. With Maxwell's aid, the two are believed to have victimized dozens of underage girls and women. Dozens. The Justice Department Itself said over a thousand. Where do they get these numbers from? Yo, you don't have to, like, be an expert in what's going on in the case, but you should at least have the very basics down right? The Justice Department only released the files after Congress passed a bill in November signed into law by President Trump, compelling it to do so. In 2008, Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida to state charges of soliciting prostitution in exchange for having a federal case against him. Dropped charges for soliciting prostitution. Not soliciting prostitution from a child. Right. Not abusing a child, just soliciting prostitution. Yo, what's going on with cbs? Is Barry Weiss writing all these articles? Sure seems like it. A New York federal grand jury indicted Epstein on child sex trafficking charges in July of 2019, but he was found dead weeks later in August 2019 in a Manhattan jail. His cause of death was ruled a suicide. No questions about it. Not alleged, not called, but ruled a suicide. So that's the end of it. Maxwell was convicted in 2021 of federal sex trafficking charges and later sentenced to 20 years in prison. The release files, however, have revealed the wealthy financier's deep connection to the the rich and powerful that persisted well after his Florida conviction. Last week, Gates apologized to the staff of his philanthropic Gates foundation for his ties to Epstein, which he said began in 2011 and continued through 2014. Imagine knowing what Jeffrey Epstein was and showing up to his house asking for money. Hey, you know, hey, Jeff, I was wondering if you wanted to help me save the world. I know you abuse kids and. But we're gonna overlook that. You got a couple mil for your boy. Like, what? You don't have anybody else you can go and get money from? Nobody. Not one single person. I'm pretty sure there's some rich people out there that would love to help you out, even if it's only for tax purposes, but Jeffrey Epstein, Bill Gates. Nobody believes you, buddy. According to audio of the apology obtained by the Wall Street Journal, Gates told staff he and Epstein shared a private jet together once and spent time in Germany, France, New York and Washington. Yeah, you know, hardly knew each other. I fly on jets with people all the time who I don't know. I mean, I'm flying commercial, but that's not the point, I guess. Included in the trove of DOJ files were two emails Epstein sent to himself on July 18, 2013, containing unverified allegations that Gates had extramarital sex with Russian girls that resulted in sexually transmitted disease requiring antibiotic treatment. In one email, Epstein claimed Gates also sought surreptitiously to give antibiotics to his then wife, Melinda Gates. Well, that's weird because he did admit that he had those affairs, right? So what do you mean alleged pro tip? It's not alleged when it's proved to be a fact.

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The emails appeared to have been written by Epstein on behalf of an aggrieved employee of Gates who was resigning regarding those allegations. Against Spokesman told CBS News in January that the claims are absolutely absurd and completely false. The only thing these documents demonstrate is Epstein's frustration that he did not have an ongoing relationship with Gates and the lengths he would go to entrap and defame him at last week's town hall. According to the Journal, Gates admitted that he did have affairs, one with a Russian bridge player who he met at bridge events and and one with a Russian nuclear physicist who I met through business activities. So he was lying, okay? Just like he's been lying about everything that has to do with Jeffrey Epstein. And if you want to believe him, cool. I don't Care. Personally, I don't believe the guy at all. Katherine Rumler wrote that she adored Epstein. Rumler served as the White House counselor under Obama from 2011 to 2014 before joining the law firm Latham Watkins in 2014 and then Goldman Sachs in 2020. Rumler appeared several times in the Justice Department's release files, including a December 2015 email exchange in which she wrote that she adored Epstein. How cute. What a great cute couple. Helicopters volcanoes. In May of 2015, Epstein asked Rummler if she could get filmmaker Woody Allen and his wife Soon Yi a tour of the White House, which took place in December 2015, according to White House records. Last month Rummler announced she would resign from her role as top lawyer for Goldman Sachs in the wake of the release files. Well, the least you could do imagine being one of her colleagues over at Goldman Sachs. Pretty awkward conversation at the coffee machine. So Kathy, get any chicken noodle soup from Uncle Jeffy lately? The DOJ's documents show that Black, co founder of investment firm Apollo Global Management, received advice from Epstein on how to keep a six year affair with a Russian woman from going public. In one September 2015 email, Epstein suggested to Black that he hire former law enforcement officers to approach the woman about signing a non disclosure agreement. Choose method of message delivery. My choice to highly respected former law enforcement agents. Fill in the blank Immigration Scotland Yard SFO who may knock on the door and present the terms, Epstein wrote. In October of 2015, the woman signed a non disclosure agreement with with Black in which he agreed to pay her $100,000 monthly for 15 years, forgive a 1 million dollar loan and provide 2 million British pounds for her to obtain legal status in the UK Senate Finance Committee. Documents also show that Black paid Epstein 158 million for tax and estate planning services. Black stepped down as chairman and CEO of Apollo in 2021, a law firm retained by Apollo's board to review Black's dealings with Epstein cleared Black of any possible wrongdoing. Well, he's been cleared. Donald Trump's been cleared by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's been cleared by Donald Trump. I guess we could just pack it in, huh? No need to have any subpoenas, no need for an investigation. I mean, I don't know why you're laughing. Have you checked the Dow? I mean it's under 50,000. So? So that means we can talk about Epstein again, right? Wasn't that the barometer that was set by Pam Bondi? Now as far as these subpoenas, look, it's a good step, right? But I have my doubts about what we're gonna learn. Have you learned anything new from any of these depositions yet? I know I haven't. But with that said, we'll keep an open mind and we'll see what happens. And when we have some concrete dates for all these people, we'll get those added to the catalog as well. All right, everybody that's going to do it for this one. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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