Doug Band And His Epstein Related Congressional Transcript (Part 9) (7/25/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Doug Band And His Epstein Related Congressional Transcript (Part 9)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: July 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bobby Capucci continues his multipart coverage dissecting Doug Band’s congressional testimony regarding his connections to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The focus centers on Band’s recollections (or lack thereof) about emails, the use of Bill Clinton’s email and devices, and his knowledge or involvement with Epstein's trafficking network and associates. The episode spotlights tense exchanges, inconsistent statements, and the challenges investigators face unraveling high-level association with Epstein’s criminal enterprise.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Doug Band’s Connection to Epstein and Maxwell

• Introduction by Interviewer (Nancy Mace):
  • Revisits the question of whether Band met or knew girls associated with Maxwell or Epstein; Band repeatedly answers, “not that I recall” or “no” [01:01-02:55].
• Attempts to Probe Band’s Knowledge:
  • Did not recall Maxwell introducing him to young women or knowledge of her introducing anyone else [01:40].
  • Vague on seeing other female assistants around Epstein/Maxwell, other than Sarah Kellen [02:10].

2. Discussions About Associates and Social Circles

• Sarah Kellen and Brian Vickers:
  • Nancy Mace presses Band about details on Sarah Kellen and her husband, Brian Vickers, highlighting Band’s selective memory [02:56-03:58].
  • Band claims Vickers was simply “a friend of a friend” and distances himself from their circle.

3. Use of Bill Clinton's Email and BlackBerry

• Email Attribution:
  • Mace questions why Band allegedly used the “WJC” (William Jefferson Clinton) email account. Band gives convoluted answers, admitting some were from him but claims technological confusion [04:00-05:30].
    • “We had different emails. People were setting up different things back then. I don’t know.” — Doug Band [05:07].
• BlackBerry Testimony and Contradictions:
  • Mace asks about sharing a BlackBerry with Clinton. Band denies any sharing, but then confronted with an email in which he wrote, “Actually, the president’s, but we share it,” Band says he doesn’t recall sending it and suggests he may have been overstating his importance [06:13-08:57].
    • “It's possible. I was trying to sound important or overstate something. I don't know.” — Doug Band [08:45].

4. Clinton, Epstein, and Little St. James

• Presence on the Island:
  • Direct denial that Band or Bill Clinton visited Little St. James. Band states, “I have no information that he [Clinton] visited the island” [09:45-10:18].
  • When questioned about a Vanity Fair article which attributed to Band that Clinton visited in January 2003, Band now repudiates the claim, saying he doesn't recall the specifics and in testimony says he has no info Clinton went [10:58-12:48].
    • “My testimony today, as I said, I don't have any information that he did.” — Doug Band [13:01].

5. Communications, Gifts, and Relationship Dynamics

• Band and Ghislaine Maxwell:

  • Band characterizes his relationship with Maxwell as “friends” and denies any sexual involvement [16:03].
  • When pressed on flirtatious or sexual innuendo in emails (“spank bottoms tonight,” “like naughties,” and “hung like a horse”), Band claims embarrassment, deflects, and doesn’t recall sending such emails, repeatedly denying any romantic or sexual relationship [16:09-17:28].
    • “No ma’am. Absolutely not. Never.” — Doug Band (when asked about sexual relations with Maxwell) [16:13].
    • “As I said, it was flirtatious, silly banter. Me providing poor attempts at humor, writing dumb emails that were obviously embarrassing to see now.” — Doug Band [16:21].

• Gift Exchanges and Social Interactions:

  • Band says he does not recall ever receiving or giving gifts to Maxwell or Epstein [18:24-18:50].
  • Repeatedly is unable to estimate the frequency of communications or in-person meetings with Maxwell, highlighting evasive answers [19:00-20:00].

6. Legal and Advisory Contacts

• Cheryl Mills:
  • Band confirms speaking to Cheryl Mills (former Clinton White House and State Department counsel) about how to select representation for his testimony, emphasizing she’s a friend and denying she's an intermediary [14:35-15:43].

7. Mental State and Well-being

• Mental Health Questions:
  • Mace pointedly asks Band if he’s suffered from depression or suicidal ideation. Band states “No,” and “Yes” he’s happy with his life [15:44-15:52].

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On professional memory lapses:
  • “I think I've recalled a lot of things from various questions today.” — Doug Band [03:58]
• On denied knowledge:
  • “No, I do not.” (when asked if he had knowledge of Maxwell introducing young women) — Doug Band [01:40]
• On conflicting testimonies:
  • “I just don't recall this email or sending this email.” — Doug Band [07:54]
  • “My testimony today, as I said, I don't have any information that he did [visit Little St. James].” — Doug Band [13:01]
• On embarrassing emails:
  • “As I said, it was flirtatious, silly banter. Me providing poor attempts at humor and writing dumb emails that are obviously embarrassing to see now.” — Doug Band [16:21]
• Direct questioning by Nancy Mace:
  • “Are you being this way to be obtuse, to obfuscate, to be intentionally confusing…? I have a feeling you know where all these bodies are buried, and this is just disappointing.” — Nancy Mace [12:28]
• On discussions with Cheryl Mills:
  • “Cheryl Mills is an old friend of mine and I spoke to her about being asked to provide this interview and who to select for counsel.” — Doug Band [14:35]

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Memorable Exchanges

• Nancy Mace repeatedly expresses frustration with Band’s evasiveness:
  • “You believe so? Is it your testimony today that every single email in the Epstein files from this WJC email account is from you?...you're being difficult. Like, I honestly had real hope for you to be like a really great witness for us. I think this is going to go down as one of the greatest cover ups in American history.” [04:00]
• Band’s suggestion of ‘braggadocio’ regarding device sharing:
  • “It could be. It’s possible.” — Doug Band (on overstating his importance in an email) [09:09]
• Mace’s directness about the stakes:
  • “I have a feeling you know where all these bodies are buried, and this is just disappointing.” [12:28]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:01] – Testimony begins: Band’s memory and denials about women/Maxwell/Epstein.
• [02:56] – Sarah Kellen, Brian Vickers, and questions on selective recollection.
• [04:00] – Email accounts, testimony about WJC email and “BlackBerry” confusion.
• [06:10] – Contradictions over claims of sharing a device with Bill Clinton.
• [09:09] – Banter about braggadocio, awkward or flirtatious emails.
• [10:18] – Chelsea Clinton’s wedding, Clinton/Epstein social overlap.
• [11:25] – Vanity Fair quote and the Little St. James controversy.
• [13:01] – Band’s repudiation of Vanity Fair attribution under oath.
• [14:35] – Cheryl Mills and legal advisory connections.
• [15:44] – Band’s mental health, well-being, and relationship characterizations.
• [16:09] – Sexual relationship denials, embarrassing email banter.
• [18:24] – Gifts and frequency of contact.
• [20:00] – Episode wraps up, promises to continue in the next installment.

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Summary

This episode highlights the repeated frustration of the committee as they try to pin down Doug Band on his knowledge, involvement, and connection — both direct and circumstantial — to Epstein and Maxwell’s operations and inner circle. Despite documentary evidence (emails, press articles) suggesting closer social and professional proximity, Band’s replies are consistently evasive, citing lack of memory or downplaying significance. Nancy Mace’s sharp questioning and sarcasm underline the exasperation investigators feel during high-profile testimony, as potential leads on elite networks are met with denials, memory lapses, and plausible deniability.

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Transcript

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[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we left off with Doug Band and his transcript from his Congressional interview. Question and the same question to a female named Redacted. Did you ever meet or become introduced to a girl named Redacted that had an association with Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein? Answer not that I recall. Question and you did not meet with Ms. Maxwell on or around this date of November 2, 2002? Answer I don't recall meeting with her around this date. Question so it seems that in these messages, Ms. Maxwell is trying to introduce you to women or trying to introduce you trying to meet up with a group or entourage of women. Do you recall anything about Ms. Maxwell trying to introduce you to women or young girls? No, I don't recall that. Do you have any knowledge as to why Ms. Maxwell was traveling with or inviting a group of women or young girls to meet with you? No, I do not. Question Mr. Band. Ms. Maxwell was part of one of the largest international sex trafficking operations. She mentions international people, international women, international and young girls. And she's clearly trying to invite them to introduce to you. Do you have any knowledge of Ms. Maxwell introducing a group of women or young girls to anyone that you knew at the time of your relationship with Ms. Maxwell? Answer no. Mr. Emmer jumps in. We discussed Sarah and Redacted. Do you recall seeing any other woman or women that are described as assistants with Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell? Ban no, I don't recall seeing any other women. Nancy Mace jumps in. Can I follow up on something you mentioned earlier? You remember meeting Sarah Kellen. Is that what the testimony was, a woman named Sarah Band? Yeah.

[Nancy Mace]

Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

And then you mentioned the male named Brian Vickers. Who is Brian Vickers, Mr. Band? Her husband.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Okay. Do you recall Sarah's last name? I don't. Question but you recall her husband's full name? Answer Brian Vickers is a famous race car driver. He was a friend of Ms. Mace. I don't know who he is. Doug Band. He was, as I said, a friend of a friend of mine. So I met him. This is probably mid 2000s, Ms. Mace. How many years ago was that? Doug Band? 10, 12, something like that. Nancy Mace, mid 2000s banned no, sorry, I was going to say mid 2000s 20s. I don't remember specifically. Question but you remember his name and that he was married to a girl named Sarah. But you don't recall anything else in any other question today but that one you recall certain selective details but not others? Answer I think I've recalled a lot of things from various questions today. Answer As I said, Brian is a friend of a friend. I saw him out socially. There were a couple of race car drivers who hung out and spent time with a friend of mine that was a very different social circle and I knew Brian. Nancy Mace, I don't know who he is. Okay. And your testimony today is that every single email from WJC account in the Epstein files is from you, Doug Band? I believe so. Nancy Mace, you believe so? Is it your testimony today that every single email in the Epstein files from this WJC email account is from you? Banned. Well, as I said, some of these emails again, and I'm not trying to be difficult, Nancy Mace, you're being difficult. Like, I honestly had real hope for you to be like a really great witness for us. I think this is going to go down as one of the greatest cover ups in American history. And I think you know more than what you're telling and I'm just extremely disappointed to hear. Do not recall. I'm not an attorney. I never went to law school. I'm a high school dropout. But I'm not a moron. And I just had so much. I read that Vanity Fair interview and I thought it was very honest and very telling. And here you are today contradicting even some of your statements. So why would you use an email that was purportedly from the President of the United States, former President of of the United States? Why would you be using an email with his name on it? Answer. Like I said, I don't know. We had different emails. People were setting up different things back then. I don't know. Nancy Mace, you don't know why she gets cut off by Band? I don't. She picks back up. I frequently use an email of a current OR Former President. Mr. Band. President Clinton did not use email. Nancy Mace So why would you use email? Had your own email, right? You had your own email and the Epstein files that you used from yourself. Doug Band Band we had. There were different devices. Different. It was different back then. Nancy Mace, did you and President Clinton share a device, a BlackBerry? Doug Band no. Nancy Mace, you didn't share a BlackBerry? Are you familiar with President Clinton's testimony in front of the House Oversight Committee? Did you review any of President Clinton's testimony before in preparation for.

[Nancy Mace]

For today?

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Doug BAND we reviewed a little bit in preparation.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

And President Clinton, in his testimony, he said that they shared a BlackBerry. Is that correct? Do I recall that you guys, they shared an email or they shared a BlackBerry? Mr. Burleson, there's an email that says. Sorry, there's an email from that email from the WJC addressed to Glenn saying specifically that this is a shared. Gets cut off by Mace. Shared BlackBerry. Did you and the President share a BlackBerry? Doug Band no, he did not. Nancy Mace okay, so are you familiar with an email dated October 4, 2001? It's from. It's to Glenn Maxwell. It's from you. Doug Band, Your email, it says you back. Another way to get in touch with me quicker is on my BlackBerry. Actually, the president's, but we share it. Are you familiar with this email? Mr. Shapiro will call that five. Mr. Harness five. Number five. Nancy Mace I'm not an attorney. I just pretend to be one on oversight. Are you familiar with this email? Doug Band I don't recall this email. Nancy Mace what's the date of the email? Band Thursday, October 4, 2001. Nancy Mason who's the email from? Doug Band it says from Doug Band to gain. Nancy Mace and whose email too? Doug Band Ghislaine Maxwell. Nancy Mace and can you please read me the email? For the record? Doug Band I think the email. Nancy Mace Cuts him off. What does the email say?

[Nancy Mace]

Mr.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Band, will you please read it to me? I don't have a copy in front of me. Can you please read it? Mr. Band yeah, ma', am, you back. Another way to get in touch with me quicker is on my BlackBerry. Actually, the president's. But we share it. Ms. Mace, do you recall sending this email? Let me guess, you don't recall? Mr. Band. No, ma', am, I do not recall sending that email. Ms. Mace, do you not recall or is it a factually inaccurate statement, that email? Is that inaccurate? Mr. Band? I just don't recall this email or sending this email. Nancy Mace. Okay. Is the statement that you wrote in the email to Ghislaine Maxwell, is that true or false? Doug Band. I don't remember. I don't know what. As I said. But we didn't share a BlackBerry. It was mine.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

So your testimony today is that you didn't share a BlackBerry with the president, but we have an email saying you shared a BlackBerry with the President from you to her, and then now you're saying that you don't recall.

[Nancy Mace]

Is this. Is.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Is that what we're doing today? Is that what we're saying? I'm just clarifying for the record. Mr. Green. No. He also said he didn't share a BlackBerry with the president.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Then why would you send an email saying you did? Mr. Band again, I don't recall this email. As I sit here today, I was trying to sound important or overstate something. It's possible. I don't know.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

You say your testimony might be that you are trying to sound more important. BAND I just said that it's possible. I don't know. I don't remember. This is 25 years ago.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

So that would be braggadocious or bragging. Band. It could be. It's possible. Mace, we're going to get into some bragging here in a minute, okay? All right. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever visit any Clinton home office residence, property owned by the Clintons? Mr. Band? Not that I. Not that I know of. I don't know.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Did Glenn Maxwell ever visit any Clinton Homer office? Mr. Band? Not that I recall, but it's possible. I don't know. Nancy Mace, how many times were you in the presence of the Clintons in either Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? Mr. Band. How many times in the presence of President Clinton?

[Nancy Mace]

Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Them together. Everybody together. Band. I don't recall ever being in the presence of all of them together. Other than the wedding, which we talked about. Chelsea's wedding. I'm sorry, I don't think there was. I don't think he was at the wedding.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Okay. Wasn't there a dinner somewhere where you met Epstein with Clinton present or. No, at the very beginning. Mr. Band. That was just President Clinton. You said all of them. Sorry. MACE okay, so today your testimony, I want to clarify, you're testifying today that President Clinton never visited Little St. James, is that correct? Mr. Band as I said earlier, I have no information that he visited the island. NANCY have you ever personally been to the island? BAND no. Did you decline an invitation to the island? Did you ever decline an invitation to go? BAND I don't ever recall being invited to the island. Mace okay, in 2020, you spoke with Vanity Fair about your split from the Clintons? BAND correct? MACE okay. Did you tell the Vanity Fair that President Clinton visited Little St. James in January of 2003? Doug Band as I said earlier, I had several conversations with Vanity Fair over a period of time. Ms. Mace okay, I know the stuff you said earlier, and it's just a bunch of gobble gobbledygook. Doug band okay. Ms. Mace did you tell Vanity Fair that President Clinton visited Little St. James in 2003? Band I do not recall the specifics of my conversation. MACE where would they get that quote? It came from your mouth to his ear. Dan Adler, the reporter in Vanity Fair, where would he get that quote? Mr. Shapiro it's not a quote.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

It's not a quote. Okay, Not a quote. Technically not a quote. He states that you said that Clinton went to the island in January of 2003. Where would he get that information from? Mr. Band I do not recall having the specifics of the conversation I had with Vanity Fair over a long period of time. Ms. Mace how long ago was the interview? Mr. Band I don't remember. The article was five or six years ago. Ms. Mace do you recall what you did yesterday? Mr. Band Do I recall what I did yesterday? I came to Washington. Ms. Mace okay, so your 2020 statement or conversation with Vanity Fair, not a quote. And your testimony today are opposite. So Vanity Fair says that you claim that Bill Clinton went to the island in January of 2003. Your testimony today is that he did not. So which one is true?

[Nancy Mace]

Mr.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Band sorry, my testimony today, as I said, I don't have any information that he did. MACE Are you being this way to be obtuse, to obfuscate, to be intentionally confusing this play on words? Why do this? Mr. Green? I'm sorry, what's the question?

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace?

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

You know what the question is? Why do this today? Why answer questions in this manner? To be obtuse? I have a feeling you know where all these bodies are buried, and this is just disappointing. Mr. Band I'm answering the questions to the best of my ability. Nancy Mace. No, you're not banned. And the best of my recollection, I am.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

So you don't know which statement is true. Whether the Clintons visited the island in 2003, which is what you told Vanity Fair, or your testimony today, which is the opposite, which one is true? Which statement is true?

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[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

A the statement you told Vanity Fair that he visited the island in January 2003 or today, your testimony under oath, which one is true? BAND I'm telling you today as I sit here in a voluntary interview, that I do not have any information that he went to the island. Ms. Mace why would you say that to Vanity Fair then, if you have no information that he went to the island, if that's your testimony today, why'd you tell Vanity Fair that he did? Mr. Band As I said, I don't recall conversations that I had with the reporter over a period of time. MACE did anyone discuss your testimony on this subject with you before today? Mr. Green other than your attorneys? Ms. Mace other than your attorneys. Thank you. I didn't go to law school. You're so good. Mr. Band not really. I talked to some friends here and there about appearing. Ms. Mays did you talk to either of the Clintons before your testimony today? Mr. Band no, ma', am, as I said earlier, gets cut off by. MACE did you talk to anyone affiliated with the Clintons regarding your testimony today?

[Nancy Mace]

Mr.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Band Cheryl Mills is an old friend of mine and I spoke to her about being asked to come provide this interview and who to select for counsel. Ms. Mace who is Cheryl Mills?

[Nancy Mace]

Mr.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Band Cheryl Mills is a little friend of mine who worked in the White House. MACE why is she affiliated with the Clintons? Who is she related to the Clintons? How is she affiliated with the Clintons? Ban she worked for the Secretary Clinton at the State Department and I believe is a friend of their advisor. Ms. Mace is she attorney an attorney? Band she is. Ms. Mace does she represent him? BAND I don't know if she represents them or not. Actually. Ms. Mace did she represent them in Epstein interviews? Mr. Emmer? She did Ms. Mace. So did you know Cheryl Mills represented the Clintons their Epstein testimony? Were you aware of that? Mr. Band? I saw her that she was at the testimony, but again, I don't know the relationship. Mr. Ms. Mace, when did you speak to Cheryl Mills last? Band I speak to Cheryl. I've spoken to her regularly for 30 years. Mace is she an intermediary between you and the Clintons? Band I have no idea. Not that I know of.

[Nancy Mace]

Miss Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Have you ever suffered from depression, Mr. Band? No ma'. Am.

[Nancy Mace]

Miss Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Do you have any suicidal ideation? No.

[Nancy Mace]

Miss Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

You happy with your life, Mr. Band? Yes, ma'. Am. Okay. Alright. How would you characterize your relationship with Maxwell, Mr. Band? We were friends.

[Nancy Mace]

Miss Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

How do you define friends? Band? We were socially friends and we spent time together.

[Nancy Mace]

Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Did you have any sexual relationship with her? Mr.

[Nancy Mace]

Band?

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

No Ma', am. Absolutely not. Never. Question by Mace. Okay, so you don't have a sexual relationship with her. Why would you discuss sexual things with her over email? Mr. Band? As I said again, it was flirtatious, silly banter. Me providing poor attempts at humor and writing dumb emails that were obviously embarrassing to see. Now Ms. May. So are you hung like a horse, Mr. Shapiro? Not seriously asking that question, Congresswoman. Mr. Green. You don't have to answer that, Mr. Shapiro. You don't have to answer that. You don't need to answer questions about your personal anatomy.

[Nancy Mace]

Ms. Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Why would she say you're hung like a horse if you didn't have a sexual relationship with her? In an email that you wrote to you, why would she say that, Mr. Band? You'd have to ask her. I don't know. Nancy Mace. Okay, and in an email from you in 2002 from the WJC account, it says you want to spank bottoms tonight. What was that in reference to? Banned. I don't recall that email or sending it at all.

[Nancy Mace]

Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Is spanking a fetish of yours or hers, Mr. Green? Again, you don't have to answer that.

[Nancy Mace]

Mace.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Is this another one where you don't recall? Is it her fetish or yours? Why is that in an email to a sexual predator of kids? Alright, in another email in 2002, you wrote to her like you like naughties. Why would you write that in an email that you like naughty's if you did not have a sexual relationship with this woman? Banned. I don't remember the email or recall the email. As I said, I did not have a physical, romantic or Any relationship with her other than a friendship in any way whatsoever, ever. MACE okay. In an email in 2002, Ghislaine Maxwell wrote to you in reference to organizing a birthday thing. I think we went over this earlier. I don't know if it was your birthday or President Clinton's birthday. It was an email where you talked about earlier. Bear Minnie it was a restaurant called Bear Mini. Was that for your birthday or for President Clinton's birthday? BAND I have no idea. Ms. Mace When's your birthday? Mr. Band October 28th. Ms. Mace when is President Clinton's birthday? Band August. Ms. Mace this is October, so it was October 13th, 2002. So it must be to organize your birthday. She references a birthday gift. Do you recall what the birthday gift was? Banned I do not recall. Ms. Mace did you receive any gifts from Ghislaine Maxwell? I don't recall receiving gifts from Ghislaine Maxwell. Did you receive any gifts from Jeffrey Epstein? Band no, I don't recall ever receiving any gifts from Jeffrey Epstein. MACE Is it that you don't recall or that it never happened?

[Nancy Mace]

Mr.

[Interviewer / Nancy Mace]

Band As I said, I don't recall receiving any gifts from him. I barely knew Epstein. Ms. Mace, did you give Glenn Maxwell any gifts? Banned not that I know of. MACE all right. Okay. How frequently did you communicate with Glenn Maxwell? Band well, I don't know really. What answer is going to satisfy you what the right answer is? I mean, I on sort of an average day received and sent probably around five hundred and a thousand emails. Question so my question is, how frequently did you communicate with Ghislaine Maxwell? Band I don't know. MACE how much time did you spend with her in person? Band I don't know how much time I spent with her in person. MACE okay, did you request a plane to use a plane from Maxwell for the NCAA Finals in 2006? Band I don't recall doing that. But in preparation of today I've read that email. Okay, did you ever have any one on one time with her, meaning alone time, just the two of you in a room with nobody else? Band I don't recall ever being alone with her. Mace okay, that's all I've got for right now. Alright folks, we're gonna wrap up right here as well. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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