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The Epstein Chronicles with Bobby Capucci

Episode: House Epstein Probe Moves Toward Alan Dershowitz
Date: June 12, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles, hosted by Bobby Capucci, focuses on the increasing scrutiny of Alan Dershowitz in the ongoing Congressional probe into Jeffrey Epstein’s criminal network. Capucci discusses recent developments, centered on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s plan to request Dershowitz’s testimony as part of its investigation into Epstein’s enablers and legal defenders, particularly relating to the infamous 2008 non-prosecution agreement (NPA). The episode examines Dershowitz’s public statements and motivations, critiques his ongoing defense of Epstein, and reflects on the wider culture of enabling Epstein’s abuse.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dershowitz’s Public Persona and Involvement

Capucci opens by emphasizing Dershowitz’s high-profile role as both Epstein's and Donald Trump’s lawyer. He notes Dershowitz’s habit of appearing on TV to defend Epstein and to “counter narratives” (00:20–01:30).
Capucci is skeptical of Dershowitz’s motivations:

“It’s pretty coincidental that every time something pops up about Jeffrey Epstein, here comes Alan Dershowitz on Newsmax or Fox News attempting to counter narratives. And what would his motivation for that be? Who's he still protecting? His client's not here anymore.” (01:30–02:00)

2. Congressional Interest in Dershowitz’s Testimony

Rep. James Comer (Chair of House Oversight) will seek voluntary testimony from Dershowitz, especially following the testimony of Leslie Groff, Epstein’s longtime assistant, and meetings with survivors (02:10–03:30).
Capucci signals that having Dershowitz under oath is overdue, expressing doubts about how transparent Dershowitz will be, given lawyer-client privilege claims (02:00–03:20):

“How much is he going to claim is privileged? Well, that was my client. I can't say much.” (00:55–01:10)

3. Dershowitz’s Narrative and Public Statements

Capucci provides a rundown of Dershowitz’s go-to defenses (“I got a massage, but my underwear was on. My wife was with me.”) and accuses him of downplaying or whitewashing Epstein’s abuse (04:50–05:50).
Capucci contrasts Groff’s likely partial ignorance of Epstein’s abuse with Dershowitz’s supposed full awareness:

“Alan Dershowitz, no chance. Dude knew exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was and didn't care for one second. In fact, has run around demeaning these little girls who were abused.” (06:00–06:30)
He critiques Dershowitz’s repeated dismissal of abuse survivors’ claims:

“He demeans these women who have been abused, calls it a hoax, says this is BS, that's BS. You know what's really BS? The fact that Dershowitz wants to tell us it started and stopped with him being [Epstein’s] lawyer.” (05:40–06:00)

4. Focus on the Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA)

Capucci insists the Congressional focus should be on the NPA and its irregularities (03:30–04:00):

“If I was in Congress, I would focus completely on the non prosecution deal, 100%.” (04:17)
He condemns the 2008 plea deal as illegal and calls for all attorneys involved (including Dershowitz) to be scrutinized for collusion with the Department of Justice.

“All of you, Mr. Dershowitz, should be looked at. Yeah, that's right. I think that all of you in collusion with the DOJ cooked up this deal.” (10:20–10:35)

5. Virginia Roberts and Survivor Testimony

Capucci recounts how Virginia Roberts (Giuffre) accused Dershowitz of abuse and later dropped the suit, noting her death in April 2025 (07:30–08:30).
He frames Roberts’ withdrawal and ultimate fate as indicative of the grinding cost for survivors:

“She'd get a few more bucks from Alan Dershowitz. And then what? She'd still be called a liar, just like with Prince Andrew. So in Virginia's estimation, enough was enough.” (08:15–08:26)

6. Dershowitz’s Reply & His Willingness to Testify

Dershowitz claims he’s eager to appear, offering a “more nuanced and calibrated description of the complexity” (09:10–09:30).
He continues to posture as the reasonable legal actor:

“Everything I did in relation to the Epstein case, I'm proud of.” (10:00)
Capucci is openly skeptical:

“I'm sure you're proud that you got that son of a... the deal of the century. I'm sure you are.” (10:10)

7. Leslie Groff’s Testimony and Her Role

Groff maintains she was deceived by Epstein, having “no knowledge of Epstein’s crimes,” whereas Capucci distinguishes her likely unawareness from Dershowitz’s culpability (06:40–07:10).

8. Debate Over Who Prompted the Congressional Inquiry

Confusion is raised over whether it was Groff or Dershowitz himself who triggered Comer’s invitation for testimony (11:00–12:00).
Capucci dismisses Dershowitz’s distancing from Groff and refocuses on his involvement in structuring the NPA (12:00–12:30).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Dershowitz’s Media Appearances:
“Nobody has had a bigger mouth than Alan Dershowitz. This dude has been on every program, every TV station talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was just, you know, a regular run-of-the-mill diddler... Well, we know that's a bunch of BS now.” (00:12–00:32)
On the Need for Oath-Testimony:
“I think it's a great idea to get him under oath. And I think that all of Epstein's legal team should be brought in.” (01:10)
On the 2008 Plea Deal:
“They said that the victim was 17 and 10 months. So it would make it look better for Jeffrey Epstein. That's what they were doing. How can we make Jeffrey Epstein look like he's not the monster that he is?” (07:00–07:20)
On Dershowitz’s Excuses:
“There's always some kind of excuse, right? And he does it in like this snide manner. It's very arrogant and it's very cocky. And he does it time and time again.” (05:00–05:20)

Timestamps for Key Segments

00:00–01:30: Introduction, Dershowitz’s media blitz & skepticism about his motives
02:10–03:30: House panel to seek Dershowitz’s testimony, sparked by Leslie Groff & survivors
04:17: Capucci’s call to focus on the NPA in Congressional investigation
05:40–06:30: Capucci critiques Dershowitz’s dismissive tone toward abuse survivors
06:40–07:10: Distinguishing Groff’s likely ignorance from Dershowitz’s informed involvement
07:30–08:30: History of accusations by Virginia Roberts and her withdrawal
09:10–10:00: Dershowitz’s comments about his willingness to testify
10:20–10:35: Call for attorneys involved in the NPA to face possible disbarment
11:00–12:00: Disputing who prompted the Congressional call for Dershowitz’s testimony
12:30–End: Closing remarks, focus on future answers and ongoing scrutiny

Conclusion

This episode dissects the mounting Congressional investigation targeting Alan Dershowitz for his role in negotiating Epstein’s non-prosecution deal and defending Epstein publicly. Capucci holds nothing back, blending legal critique with personal skepticism and highlighting the enduring obstacles to accountability. He underscores the importance of transparency, survivor testimony, and broader scrutiny of Epstein’s legal enablers as the probe advances.

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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, nobody has had a bigger mouth than Alan Dershowitz. This dude has been on every program, every TV station talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was just, you know, a regular run of the mill diddler and how he had no connections as far as intelligence or powerful people whatsoever, and that he certainly didn't blackmail anyone. Well, we know that's a bunch of BS now, considering what Bill Gates just told us, I would think that Alan Dershowitz might want to reevaluate some of his past commentary, but for some reason, I highly doubt it. And now he's out here popping off at the app again, talking about how he wants to be deposed by the Congressional committee. Well, now he's getting his wish because it looks like Mr. Comer is going to call him in for a chat. Now it's going to be voluntary because Alan Dershowitz has said that he wants to get before the committee and set some straight. And now it looks like he's going to get that opportunity. But I wonder how much they're going to be able to get from him. How much is he going to claim is privileged? Well, that was my client. I can't say much. And look, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Dershowitz was out here partaking in the abuse besides what we've heard from the allegations made by Virginia, and they ended up settling their suit with nobody accepting liability or wrong. So we can't sit here and say with, you know, certainty that Dershowitz did this or did that. But what I can say is, is he's reprehensible and he's done everything in his power to try and whitewash what Jeffrey Epstein really was. And whether that's out of self preservation or something else, I don't know. But I think it's a great idea to get him under oath. And I think that all of Epstein's legal team should be brought in. And if I was in Congress, I would focus completely on the non prosecution deal, 100%. Today's article is from the Guardian and the headline House Panel to Seek Testimony from Alan Dershowitz about Jeffrey Epstein. This article was authored by Anna Betts. Representative James Comer, the Republican who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, announced that he would be asking Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney, to appear before the panel as part of its investigation into the late sex offender. You mean Donald Trump's lawyer? Because that's what Dershowitz is as well. Right? Not just Epstein's lawyer, but Donald Trump's. And I know everybody is entitled to the best legal representation that they can get, but it sure is pretty coincidental that every time something pops up about Jeffrey Epstein, here comes Alan Dershowitz on Newsmax or Fox News attempting to counter narratives. And what would his motivation for that be? Who's he still protecting? His client's not here anymore. Could it be that he's still protecting all of his friends? Quite possibly. I'm going to ask Alan Dershowitz to come in. We will have questions for him and we will give him an opportunity to come in, Comer said on Wednesday morning, adding that the decision was based on the testimony of Leslie Groff, Epstein's longtime assistant, who testified before the committee on Tuesday, as well as meeting that I had afterwards with several of Epstein's survivors. Well, it's about time. I'm shocked that Comer even met with survivors in the first place. Did Donald Trump approve that? Is he going to take away your sippy cup? Oh, James Comer's a bad man. He met with the Epstein survivors. This is bigly bad. I mean, we know that loyalty is a one way street when we're talking about the President. We will have questions for him and, and will give him an opportunity to come in and answer several questions that arose Yesterday based on Ms. Groff's testimony and some things that someone of the Epstein survivors said, Comer said. And it's been a long time coming. Alan Dershowitz has a lot to say about what Epstein wasn't, but he doesn't have much to say about all the other things that were going on around him. I never seen anything untowards. I got a massage, but my underwear was on. My, my wife was with me, we went to the island, blah, blah, blah. And there's always some kind of excuse, right? And he does it in like this snide manner. It's very arrogant and it's very cocky. And he does it time and time again. He demeans these women who have been abused, calls it a hoax, says this is BS That's BS. You know what's really bs? The fact that Dershowitz wants to tell us started and stopped with him being his lawyer. We know it was more than that. Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I know you know the depths of it and I'm not going to sit here and tell you I have evidence of Alan Dershowitz taking part. I don't But I think there's plenty of evidence that Alan Dershowitz knows a whole lot more than he's ever let on. Now, the one thing I will say about Dershowitz is him being the lawyer, he at least has some kind of credible. Excuse me for not talking about Epstein. Look, I was his lawyer. I can't break confidentiality, even in death. And I get that, and I respect that. But considering that you should just shut up about the topic in general. But God forbid Alan Dershowitz does that. God forbid. He just shuts up and moves on. Has to keep interjecting himself, has to keep running his yap. And now that his narrative about Jeffrey Epstein never blackmailing anybody has been blown out of the water by Bill Gates, he wants to testify all of a sudden. But he has to make sure that the narrative is all patched up. The transcript of Grof's testimony has not yet been released by the committee. In her opening statement, Grof told lawmakers that she had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes while working for him and described her former employer as a master manipulator and deceiver. Well, he definitely was that. And when it comes to people like Leslie Groff, okay, I'm more than willing to think that she was deceived, at least in part, by Jeffrey Epstein. Alan Dershowitz, no chance. Dude knew exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was and didn't care for one second, in fact, has run around demeaning these little girls who were abused. Oh, Epstein was with a girl who was 17 years old in 10 months. What he fails to point out was there girls that were as young as 14 that were involved in that. But as part of the deal that Dershowitz helped create with main justice, they said that the victim was 17 and 10 months. So it would make it look better for Jeffrey Epstein. That's what they were doing. How can we make Jeffrey Epstein look like he's not the monster that he is? That was the goal. And, boy, were they successful. Dershowitz defended the disgraced financier as after he was first arrested and was a member of Epstein's legal team that negotiated Epstein's now controversial 2008 plea deal. And in 2014, Virginia Roberts, an Epstein survivor, alleged that Dershowitz sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager as part of Epstein's sex trafficking operation. Dershowitz has strongly denied those claims and has never been charged with any wrongdoing related to Epstein. Roberts sued Dershowitz in 2019, alleging that he defamed her when denying her claims but dropped the lawsuit in 2022 and said that she may have made a mistake in accusing him. Or maybe she just was tired of it. The whole entire song and dance. What would it prove? She'd get a few more bucks from Alan Dershowitz. And then what? She'd still be called a liar, just like with Prince Andrew. So in Virginia's estimation, enough was enough. That's really what it came down to. Nothing more, nothing less. Roberts died in April of 2025. In a telephone interview with the Guardian on Wednesday, Dershowitz said that he had volunteered to testify before the House committee, pointing to a recent appearance on Newsmax in which Dershowitz said on the show that he'd be willing to appear before the committee. Such a gracious guy. Mr. I kept my underpants on, Dershowitz. I can present a much more nuanced and calibrated description of the complexity of these things, the Harvard law professor told the Guardian. He added, I'm not a reluctant witness. I wanted to testify, as I said, from day one. I want the truth to come out. What truth? What do you even mean? What he's saying is he wants to go on whitewash. What exactly is the truth, Alan Dershowitz, that you and your buddies made sure that Jeffrey Epstein got the deal of the century and that he could go on and continue to abuse people? Is that what you want to tell us? Because that's what happened. So save your snide, arrogant for somebody else. Everything I did in relation to the Epstein case, I'm proud of, he said. I'm sure you are. I am sure you're proud that you got that son of a. The deal of a century. I'm sure you are. I'm sure you're proud that you guys cut a deal that was illegal with the federal government. That's right. I said it illegal. And furthermore, that whole deal should be thrown out. And all of you, Mr. Dershowitz, should be looked at. Yeah, that's right. I think that all of you in collusion with the DOJ cooked up this deal. That's what I think. And I think that if there was a special counsel appointed to the case, they'd come to the same conclusion. Dershowitz also pointed out that the Newsmax host, Greta Van Sustren said on her show on Tuesday that she had reached out to Comer's office to ask about Dershowitz and his willingness to testify and claimed that it was her reaching out as well as his offer to testify that led to Comer requesting she his testimony on Wednesday. In response, spokesperson from Comer's office told the Guardian that the House Oversight Committee will speak with anyone who has information about the federal government's handling of the Epstein and Maxwell cases and their crimes. Well, I just thought that Comer told us that it had to do with Leslie Grof. Is Dershowitz lying or is Comer? They added that yesterday Leslie Groff named, when asked who else should come before the committee, Alan Dershowitz and said that Chairman Comer also met with survivors yesterday and stated that Dershowitz should be interviewed. Dershowitz told the Guardian that he hardly knew Grof, but said that he saw her on a couple occasions sitting behind the desk at Epstein's office and that she arranged, I think perhaps some flights when I was going down there to be his lawyer to speak to the U.S. attorney or the State Attorney, but I never had any substantive conversations with her. Who cares? I don't care about any of that. I care about what role he played in the NPA and if there was anything that was unethical that happened there. People should lose their law license, right? They should be disbarred. And considering that Jeffrey Epstein was still abusing girls while he was under that NPA and out on probation, the deal should be null and void. And not only should it be null and void, it should be looked at for criminal conduct. How about we talk about that and what part specifically you played when it comes to reaching out to Main justice and pitching them whatever kind of deal that you guys pitch them. That's what I'm interested in hearing about. And it looks like we'll get those answers sometime soon, but until then, that's going to do it for this one. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.