Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 10) (3/31/26)

Summary

The Epstein Chronicles
Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode: Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain’s Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 10) (3/31/26)
Release Date: March 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the in-depth examination of the Office of the Inspector General’s (OIG) interview with an unnamed Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) captain regarding the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Host Bobby Capucci walks listeners through newly-released, redacted interview transcripts, pinpointing operational irregularities and failures in oversight the night of Epstein’s death. The main focus is on housing unit procedures, staff responsibilities, and post-incident revelations that raise further questions about the events leading up to and following Epstein’s death.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shoe (Special Housing Unit) Counts and Assignment Slips

• The episode opens with Capucci reading through the OIG questioning of the captain about “shoe count slips,” focusing on procedures and staff assignments responsible for inmate counts.

• Staff are identified by code names and redacted information, emphasizing the complexity and opacity of documentation.

  • Quote:
    Question: “...can we go to the shoe count slips themselves...can you just put an initial by it or circle...which one it is that would have been conducted at the shoe.” (02:00)

• The two primary designations, “ZA” and “ZB,” are established, with “ZA” being the total shoe count and “ZB” more specific to the 10 South unit, where Epstein was housed.

  • “So ZA is total SHU, and then you have inmates up on 10 South.” (03:30)

• Staff signatures and responsibilities are dissected, revealing gaps or inconsistencies in who was present and conducted official counts.

  • “If that count wasn’t actually conducted, are they the only two responsible for falsifying it, or are there others?”
    Captain: “This would be the whole unit, the OIC, everybody that was in the unit.” (04:20)

2. Staffing, Responsibility, and Overlapping Duties

• The captain discusses typical staffing, with four staff per unit, each with unique ranges and responsibilities for feeding, monitoring, and rounds.

• Distinctions are made between routine “rounds” and “counts,” emphasizing failure points:

  • “So they feed us. They feed the ranges, they monitor the ranges by doing 30-minute rounds...So, if nobody counted, that means who helped assist in counting in 10 South for the five guys?” (05:00)

• The captain attributes the counts and responsibility to the team, making clear that if official counts were skipped or falsified, it implicates everyone assigned.

  • “If the overall count was not conducted, everyone was responsible.” (07:45)

3. Falsification and Procedural Failures

• Capucci spotlights the critical admission from the captain that if official counts weren’t conducted, all involved staff bear shared responsibility for that falsification, not just the two whose signatures are on the slip.

  • Notable Quote:
    “Because everyone would have known...that it wasn’t conducted.” (07:55)

• The captain distinguishes between “doing rounds” and accurately recording them according to policy, noting the difference between being present to feed and actually performing legally required checks.

  • “Just because you’re on the range, that means you did around? A round is physically stopping what you’re doing.” (11:00)

4. Post-Incident Discovery and Accountability

• Following Epstein’s death, the captain describes new directives for camera monitoring and reviewing staff adherence to procedure.

  • Quote:
    “We had to monitor the camera footage...and I was appalled to what they were doing on those off hours.” (13:03)

• When questioned about whether counts or rounds were performed on August 9th and 10th, the captain admits that at the time, he presumed they were done, but surveillance reviews revealed otherwise.

  • “I was told that the officers...did not do the rounds from the time they walked into the unit until the time they found inmate Epstein deceased in his cell.” (14:10)

  • “I would have thought they would have been done. But…now I know.” (14:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Staff Responsibility for Falsification
  “If the overall count was not conducted everyone was responsible.” (07:45)

• On Distinction Between Rounds and Counts
  “So can a round can’t be a count, but can a count be a round?”
  Captain: “No.” (12:15)

• On Post-Incident Realization
  “When I had to monitor the footage per the new directive...even after we had the situation with Epstein, staff still wasn't doing it right.” (13:55)

• On Appraisal of Staff Conduct
  “I was appalled to what they were doing on those off hours.” (13:03)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:00 | Introduction – episode focus and context | | 02:00 | Breakdown of SHU (Special Housing Unit) count slips | | 04:20 | Staff responsibility and implications of falsification | | 07:45 | Implications for the whole unit – shared responsibility | | 10:50 | Distinguishing between rounds and official counts | | 13:03 | Captain’s reaction after reviewing surveillance footage | | 14:10 | Acknowledgment of failed procedures the night of death | | 15:50 | Conclusion and episode wrap-up |

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Episode Tone and Language

• The tone is serious and methodical, maintaining focus on granular details and official testimony.
• Host Bobby Capucci adopts a direct, no-nonsense approach, giving transparency to the investigation’s findings and sharing reactions verbatim from the interview subject.
• Language is technical, reflective of correctional procedures, yet accessible due to Capucci’s clear narration.

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Summary

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles provides a detailed breakdown of OIG interviews with an MCC captain, interrogating the staffing, record-keeping, and oversight failures the night of Jeffrey Epstein’s death. Key insights include frank admissions about falsified inmate counts, systemic accountability, and revelations only discovered in the aftermath through camera surveillance. Capucci emphasizes the gravity of each lapse, underscoring the broader pattern of negligence and procedural breakdown that shrouds one of the most controversial deaths in recent criminal justice history. This installment is essential listening for those seeking transparency in the Epstein case.

Transcript

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21 terms and conditions what's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up where he left off with the unnamed captain from the MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question okay, can we go to the shoe count slips themselves and that should be the last like pager 2 answer C. Yup. Those are the inmates that went to the attorney visiting. So those three would have been on the count Slip now you said where? Question the very last page. It's like the actual slip Answer by the captain these Question Yep. So these are the slips that the actual shoe for the ones that are in the shoe. Can you just put an initial buy it or circle it or whatever which one it is that would have been conducted at the shoe. Answer okay, I think it's Zulu Zulu Bravo. Zulu Alpha. Question so Za and ZB are the two shoes. Answer yes. Question Are there any more than that Answer you have? So that's you've got food service, GS, indiscernible attorney visit. That's Kilo India. That's court Kilo Zulu. Yeah. So Zulu Alpha would have been that and then that would have been 10 South. Question alright, so 10 South. Answer Charlie Alpha. Charlie Alpha. Question but no, just specific to the shoe. Like where? Not I don't know if 10South is considered shoe but I'm just talking specifics to like where Epstein was in the shoe. Like who? You know, the. I'm assuming the 72. 73 count answer. Yeah, right here. That would have been the Zulu Bravo and Zulu Alpha question. All right, great. And are you able to tell me who all are on those slips? Answer. It says redacted and Tova Noel and redacted Question. Okay, and that would have been for the 4:00 clock question. All right, four redacted in Toveno. Well, for the 4:00 clock count. Question. Okay, and now what is the difference between the ZB and the za? Answer. I believe the ZA is total shoe. Question. Okay, answer. And then, then you had the inmates that were up on 10 South. Question okay, so the ZB is at 10 south then. Answer yes. Question. So we're focused on ZA. Answer yes. Question all right, so ZA. And that one was signed by who? Answer. It looks like Noel and redacted and redacted Question. Now if that count wasn't actually conducted, are they the only two that are responsible for falsifying that or what other people he gets cut off by the captain. This would be the whole unit, the oic, everybody that was in the unit. Question. Okay, answer. Because that means on evening watch I believe you have 1, 2, 3, 4 staff. And they all have a different range that they have a responsibility of. Question. Okay, answer. You know what I'm saying? So they feed us. They feed the ranges, they monitor the ranges by doing the 30 minute rounds. So the OIC has the key. So those other three staff the number two, the three and the four. I believe they're supposed to do rounds, feed, do issue cosmetics, do whatever they need to as far as the normal operations inside the unit. So if nobody counted, that means who count? Who helps assist in counting in 10 south for the five guys? Question. Right answer. Because I believe the lieutenant is supposed to come up normally the activities will go up, I believe, and do the count in Zulu Bravo. So that means that one of the lieutenants will would be up in the unit when the count was going on. Question so in this case a lieutenant should have actually been present. Answer yes. Question which lieutenant on that date would that have been? Answer so that would have been. That would have been probably redacted, took the count and then redacted or mis redacted. Would have been in 10 South. Doing the count in 10 South. I believe if I could remember, it's been a while because it's only per. There's only one staff member inside of 10 South. Question so redacted. Should have been present for the count at 4pm Answer yeah, because I'm looking and you have 10south number one was redacted and then you had 10south. Number two was G redacted So G redacted probably was up there doing property question now is this the only four of the four or should there have been a lieutenant as well as in the 10pm 12pm or 12am 3am and 5am answer so redacted question so who is redacted? Answer redacted is one of the officers Question what's the first name on that? Answer redacted and then I'm looking here so 10 South 2 is redacted which is the property officer. So during that time I was hiring redacted to go up here and get the property situated on the evening watch question so is redacted even working in the shoe at that point I think he would have had the first he gets cut off by the captain because you know that. Because that would have been redacted. Let me look at the day because I don't think he would work that because it said redacted is the number one question and that's where I'm confused by looking at some of these counts why would they even have he gets cut off by the captain Redacted was on overtime so redacted was day watch. So that means redacted probably came in late Question okay answer so redacted probably did the count because redacted didn't get there and now he was notorious for that. Okay, redacted's a good guy but he had some health problems and maybe he didn't get there on time. So redacted went on ahead and since the count started at four he probably went ahead and did the count. Alright. And are you able to tell on that? Does this have a time for when the count was supposedly conducted? It's all of them going to reflect four question just four answer four it's not going to say 405. 404 the count is 4pm question okay, so in this case though the one for the overall shoe that would have been you said is that a indiscernible or are you just telling that's 410south answer overall shoe would have been Zulu alpha question yeah and who was on that? That's where he gets cut off by the captain Noel and redacted questions so redacted redacted and Noel would have been the ones that did the overall but what you're saying is everyone if the overall account was not conducted everyone was responsible answer yes Question for falsifying that answer Yup. Question Because Everyone would have known. Answer they would have known. Question that it was conducted. Answer that it was conduct that it wasn't conducted. Question now, is there any kind of like, hey, we fed them. That's how we did our count. Answer no count. 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Question 12. Answer 12, 12:30. You know you can't do it like that. So let's say you know, you're feeding up there. You're up here feeding, but the round is going to be. Because you're not monitoring, you're doing a service. Just because you're on the range, that means you did around a round is physically stopping what you're doing. So if I'm feeding during the time I'm supposed to. I'm supposed to do around, secure the slot, I go to the beginning of the range. 1, 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, whatever, whatever, whatever. Document the time I did the round, then go back to feeding. It's not while I'm up there. Okay, I'll feed the range. It took me 7 minutes, 7.9 seconds to feed a round. And so that's telling me that you did a regular round for an hour, one hour, because you was up there for 45 minutes. Did you do a round? Question. Right. Answer did you Can I physically watch you go from cell to cell? That's around. Question but what about so can a round can't be account, but can account be around? Answer no. Question. So every 30 minutes, if you're doing a count at four, you also have to do around at four? Answer. Yup. Question okay. Answer. Because if I go up there at 4, if I go. Let's say I start at 4 at 4, what's going to be that round? You understand what I'm saying? Because count. I'm taking accountability of the units. So if it takes probably two or three minutes to count, that would be 403. And I count in that range, I go to the next range. I'm done at 409, 416, 420, 427. Guess what? Between 30 to 5, I got to go and do another round in between that time frame not to exceed 40 minutes. That's the policy. Question. Okay, do you know anything about the shoe not conducting rounds? Answer Do I know of the shoe not conducting rounds? Question if the personnel in the shoe. Do you know anything about that? Answer Do I know the shoe not conducting rounds? Question if the personnel in the shoe. Do you know anything about that of them? Answer I would have never known that those staff were not because again, that's not my purview. Question. Sure. Answer to sit down and monitor the rounds. Question I just mean, like, had anybody told cuts him off. Answer no, I would have never known until after the Epstein thing. We had to monitor the camera footage of what the shoe staff did, and I was appalled to what they were doing on those off hours. Question so now after the fact, are you aware if any of these counts were conducted or not conducted? Answer I was not made aware that no count was conducted because I do not monitor camera footage of the staff. So I wouldn't know. Question no, I'm saying after the fact. So now. Answer Now I know. And I was. And again, when I had to monitor the footage per the new directive that was put out for central office and the captain would have to monitor X amount of hours of shoe footage per week, even after we had the situation with Epstein, staff still wasn't doing it right. Question but in what I'm asking is in those instances, do you know if the 4, the 10, the 5 on these August 9th and August 10th, he gets cut off by the captain? I would have thought they would have been done. But do you now, do you know if they were or weren't? Captain, I was told that they were not conducted 4pm as well. I was told that the officers that were assigned to the morning watch shift did not do the rounds from the time they walked into the unit until the time they found inmate Epstein deceased in a cell. Question that I think what you're referring to is on August 10th. I'm saying August 9th. Answer August 9th. I would have not have known that. Question no, no, now I'm talking about. Answer Now I'm aware of it. Because if the inmate didn't come back from court, how did you clear court? Question and did you know that prior to this conversation though, have you ever he gets cut off by the captain? No. Question. So what I'm saying is you didn't have or never heard up until this date that it's possible that the 4pm and the 10pm were not conducted? Answer that is correct. Question all right. And no one ever brought this to your attention. Answer that is correct. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing. Game night's fun until someone spends five minutes lining up one shot. Chalk. Breathe. Rechock. Still aiming. While they figure it out, I fire up Champa Casino. I can spin anywhere, anytime. And there's always a new social casino game every week. Spins happen way faster than that shot. Play [e-mail] let's Chumba.

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