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what's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the unnamed captain and his interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question. Okay, you can just speak. Answer. Did you what if I told you there was a memo written by Officer Redacted stating that he told officers Redacted, redacted and redacted that at 1:50pm on August 9 that inmate Reyes was going WAB and possibly not returning? Question. Didn't know anything about that. So no one made you aware about that? Nope. So 150. If they knew that he was like, I remember I told you that it comes out automatically from R D. It says the X, Y and Z inmate won't be returning, so he needs to bring his belongings to court line. So if they knew he was wab, who informed him? Because I bet you I can guarantee on the century paperwork that was generated that morning, that night. So that would have been the seventh. Because it's generated on the seventh for the eighth. No, the eighth. For the ninth. I know it didn't have Wab on it. Question okay, so my question is that WAB stands for with all belongings, right? Answer yes. Question so, and here's my question for you. If Officer Redacted was aware of that, he would be made aware by who? Answer he would have been made aware by R D staff. Question who was the R D staff that day? Answer well, the only one I could because he's not on our roster, he's not Correctional services. I can only go by this question and who is that? Answer, Ms. Small. Question, Ms. Small. Okay. Answer. But I can tell you, Ms. Small, she works from, I think her end shift is 10 o'. Clock. So that means she would have been there around 2. Because I think she worked 2 to 10, I don't think on the weekends, I don't think the R D staff stayed past 10. Past 10. You understand what I'm saying? Question okay. Answer so they didn't stay past 10. Question so my question is if R D knew, should that control document on the first page, should that have been updated by then? Answer Yep, this E1 should have. This is not a correct E1 question. So the E1 is wrong. So at that point, that 4pm Count that out. What is that? The Last column, what does that say? Answer. Which one, sir? Question. The. The outcount. The outcount shouldn't have shown one o' clock for the shoe. Answer. Right, because it would have said too, you know what I'm saying? Because that means that the outcount from the shoe was Jeffrey Epstein. Question. And if you look at it, is the Epstein popping up on another column over there under attorney visit? Answer. It should have been. Question, Is there an attorney? Answer. Attorney visiting. Question, Is he on there on attorney visiting? Check the first or second column. Okay, let's see. Question. Is there one that says attty? Answer. Okay, no, sir, I don't see attty on it. Question. Can I see that for a second? This one right here. Answer. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Question. I pointed to the first column that said it. Answer. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. It shows that there was a total, a total of three inmates that was out at Attorney General and out at attorney visiting during the 4pm count. And one of them did one of those inmates belong to the shu. One of those was Zulu Alpha. Okay. And then at that point, they also for Zulu Alpha, they are showing that one inmate was four is still on outcount, which means possibly that it's mentioning Ephraim Reyes. Then answer. Okay. Question the last column. Answer the last column it says out count. It still says one for Zulu Alpha. Question. So it should have been updated by then, being the fact that this is the 4pm Count. Answer. Right. Question they should have been updated by then because they got a notification at 1:50pm that he's not coming back. Answer Correct. Question so the E1 document is wrong. Answer. Right. Question. Now, if redacted, told officers redacted, redacted and redacted that inmate Reyes wasn't going wab and that Epstein would need to be assigned a cellmate upon arrival from his attorney visit. He gets cut off by the captain? Yes, sir. He continues with the question. The investigator Reyes has to communicate where who dropped the ball and at that point. Answer. Okay, I mean, for the sake of time that we talked about before is that means they would notify by me that he needed a cellmate. Question. Yeah. Answer they knew. They knew the expectation. So that means if you know that at 1:15pm or 1:50pm he wasn't coming back, that means you should have got on the phone and contacted the operations lieutenant. And we discussed this and this is where we talked about. If they did that, they let redacted know. Redacted is the one who Dropped the ball. Question. Huh? Answer. Yeah. Question. All right. And what you're saying though is I think that what you said is during the morning shift, the zero dark hundred to 8am or I think it was 8am Right. Answer. Yes, sir. Question. It's 8am they wouldn't have known. Question or answer. They wouldn't have known. Question. Right. Because they. Because if the counts weren't done at 4 and 10, they wouldn't have necessarily known. They wouldn't have necessarily known. Question. But what about like if they had a conversation at 12am with the ops lieutenant about the fact that the counts are off redo or was it 10pm it's midnight. Question. The midnight one was the one where the count is. He gets cut off. If you look at it. Yeah. The count indiscernible. Question. Redacted. And she worked 10pm and she worked from 4pm through question. So this is it right here. So we're talking about a 10, 20, 19. That's going to be. So this E1 was generated at 035.17 hours. And this shows that there are 72 inmates in the shoe. Can you look at the counts for that day? The very last page. Yeah. Question. Or could it be the second to last? So I'm assuming you're looking for za. Correct. Question. And then if you could just circle za so we know what we're looking at. Answer. Za. What is the count on? That is. It appears. It says the count on that day was 73. Question. And that cleared count was 72. Correct? That is correct. Okay, do you want to follow up? Question. If there was a mistake with the count and the lieutenant caught on to the mistake, what was the quota? Was the protocol next part redacted. Answer. All right, this is what happened. So if on the officers I count, I count the unit and they say 73, the control center would have been like no bad count. They're not going to tell you what you counted. They're going to make you count again. So the procedure is once the bad count has been made notified, the control center notifies the lieutenant and the lieutenant is supposed to go up to the unit to. To observe the count. Question. All right, so if the ops lieutenant in this case should have gone and observed. So if there's a bad count, that's the protocol answer. That's policy. Question. Okay. Answer. So you go upstairs. Well, I'm sorry, that's the expectation question. So expectation, not policy answer. I. I can't. I'm not going to sit up here and quote policy when I don't know it verbatim. Question Absolutely answer. But I will tell you, the expectation is that the supervisor, correctional services, a lieutenant on an announcement of a bad count will go to the area of the count and will observe the said count. Question what if the supervisor claims that when they called in the count and when they said 73, they said hey, we're calling in 73 but we know we're off by one. Does that make any sense? Answer that doesn't. That means the institution count is going to be bad and that is worse. And the worst thing that you can have happen besides the inmate. It's three things. An inmate died, your account being off or an inmate escaping. Those are the big things right there. If your account is bad because that's what we get paid to do where the masters of count, that's what we do. Accountability of inmates in a correctional setting. That's what you do, that's what you're paid for. So you call me as a lieutenant and you tell me, hey lt, we keep counting the unit and the unit and the count is bad. So the next thing I'm going to tell you, give me some staff up there, I want a stand up bed book. So then I'm going to identify each inmate by their face and their cell assignment to get the count question. So what if they say we're off by one but we know where the one is, that one is over there. And then the lieutenant responds, all right, I'm going to verify where that one staff is. You redo the count. Would that make sense? Answer no. What I'm telling you is when it was supposed to have been done. Question. So even if they said like hey, we wrote down 73. So let's say Thomas, who is not a typical shoe guy, he's the one that calls us in, he says I wrote down 73 on the count slip. But that's because one of our guys that we're counting for is over at let's say R D. And then the lieutenant then says, I'm going to verify that this person is there. You reconduct the count and create a new slip answer. Okay, so it was one ra I, I believe that's R D. RA I believe is R D. Right. So no R D. There was nobody in R D. There's no one. So if the policy is lieutenant is on there, I'm going to watch you do it. And so that's the second count. The third count is the standing bed book count that I use the bed book cards And I go cell by cell and I make the inmates say their names and number. And I physically identify them all by face. If that don't work, all of this stuff is supposed to be annotated in the log. That bad count one, Bad count two. Shoe reports bad count three, Bad count four. Bed count was identified. The next thing would have been was to go back through the prior counts to see of the movement of who was in or out. Because if your account cleared here at 10, you only had one out of the unit, which was Epstein when we came back, that means your account should have went from. If it was 72 here, that's telling me that it must have been 71 at boom. So it's 76. Is that the 4:00pm count question? Answer. Yeah, it was 76. Then at 10:00pm count, at 9:30 count it was 73. So where did those inmates go? Where did those inmates go? So somebody was in there messing with the numbers and order for the count to clear. Question. In order to find out where they went. Is it we have to go into truscope. Is that where you would find out? Answer. You would. You could go into True Sentry is supposed to be foolproof, all proof. Question. Okay, so sentry answer. But it's only as good as the people that's putting the information in there. Answer. Sure, sure. And are the shoe the people that are putting the information or is it the control center? Answer. So this is what happens in theory. You've got when the inmates come back from court and they do the transfer orders and it goes to control. R D is supposed to update those inmates coming back in. Control center gets the transfer order and they're verifying anytime any internal movement is done inside the unit, like shu, the OIC is supposed to do it. If a case manager and unit manager or a counselor moves the inmate on the unit, guess what? They're supposed to make that Sentry Indiscernible PP34 transaction in Sentry to make the appropriate move. So looking at these, do you believe that their gets cut off? These are all bad. They're all bad. Uh huh. All right. Question. All of them. Answer. They're all bad. All bogus. All right, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. 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