Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 14) (4/4/26) - The Epstein Chronicles

Podcast Episode Summary – The Epstein Chronicles Episode Title: Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 14)
Host: Bobby Capucci
Release Date: April 4, 2026

Overview

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci continues his detailed examination of the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) interview with the unnamed MCC (Metropolitan Correctional Center) Captain—focusing on the Captain’s testimony regarding the chain of custody of Epstein’s inmate file, administrative irregularities, possible document tampering, and the circumstances surrounding Epstein’s cell assignment in the days leading up to his death. The discussion sheds light on the MCC's internal failures, staff rumors, and the broader culture of mismanagement that permeated Epstein’s detention.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Missing Inmate File

[00:30 – 03:45]

The Captain details repeated failed attempts to locate Epstein’s inmate file, which should have been in the OIC (Officer in Charge) office.
- Q: “Where is that file located?”
  A: “It’s supposed to be located in the OIC, right here in the OIC.”
- Both the Captain and a lieutenant (whose name is redacted) state they've never seen the file, and that it was likely “purposefully taken.”
  - Quote: “In my belief, yes, those documents were purposefully taken.” – Captain [01:12]
- The Captain called the lieutenant after Epstein’s death, who claimed to have “no knowledge” of the missing file.
Speculation arises that documents may have been removed intentionally following Epstein’s death:
- Q: “So it’s likely that someone took documents out if they should have been in there and they're not in there?”
  A: “Yeah.”
  - He emphasizes that this action would constitute tampering or cover-up.

2. Lieutenant’s Sudden Absence and Rumors of Faked Injury

[03:45 – 08:15]

The lieutenant who would have handled the files reported a leg injury and was absent for six months immediately after Epstein’s death.
- The Captain expresses skepticism about the timing and legitimacy but notes he received a doctor’s document.
  - Quote: “He provided documentation… but I can’t, I’m not a doctor, so I can’t tell you what it is and I’m not going to call the doctor to verify if that was the situation. But basically it said that he had a substantial leg injury that prevented him from coming to work.” [05:41]
- There were internal rumors that the injury was faked to avoid fallout from the Epstein situation.
  - Quote: “He was saying that he was having difficulties with the staff and his other peers because, you know, the appearance that he faked the injury… So he was getting it from the lieutenants and… the line staff.” – Captain [07:46]

3. Responsibility, Oversight, and Supervisory Failures

[08:15 – 10:35]

The Captain discusses how, in hindsight, “somebody removed files” and clarifies supervision roles in the prison hierarchy.
- Quote: “If I’m a third party looking at this, somebody would say I’m wrong. They would say, you failed to supervise your staff, you should have been auditing all the paperwork, you should have been more responsible and been in the unit more, you should have done more rounds, you should have did more training…” [09:30]
- He contrasts expected supervisory standards with the reality, claiming he did “this, this, that and the third,” but “everybody has a job to do in a prison.”

4. Administrative Failures and Falsification of Records

[10:35 – 15:19]

The Captain recounts discovering that documents were potentially falsified or not maintained correctly.
- “You start going through fine-tooth combing through documents… now you finding out that people are fudging documents and creating documents that or counting inmates that wasn't in the institution.” [10:54]
There’s an implication that paperwork was not properly maintained, perhaps intentionally, to conceal mistakes or more serious wrongdoing around the time of Epstein’s death.

5. Physical Access and Layout of the SHU (Special Housing Unit)

[15:19 – 19:50]

The Captain provides detail on how access is controlled through keys and the physical orientation of the unit.
- Entry into the unit and file access required staff keys; the “OIA number one key” was used by staff.
  - Quote: “It’s a prison key… it’s the OIA number one key.” [18:47]
- Clarifies that multiple staff members had access.

6. Epstein’s Cell Assignment Irregularities

[19:50 – 27:30]

Shocking revelation that Epstein was not in the cell to which he was officially assigned for the six days prior to his death—a breach of standard procedure.
- The Captain reveals cell rotations happened but weren’t reflected in the “Sentry” administrative system.
  - Quote: “After we went back and we started looking at the sentry paperwork and all that stuff, the inmate was not in the right cell for six days.” [22:13]
- The administrative trail did not match the physical reality; Epstein was moved, but the paperwork failed to record this.
  - Quote: “So the inmates were moved, right? Physically. But the sentry paperwork would never be done.” – Investigator [24:30]
  - Captain: “Correct.”
This confusion around cell assignment is flagged as another layer of administrative dysfunction and raises questions about routine compliance and possible deliberate obfuscation.

7. Unusual Amount of Linens and Clothing in Epstein's Cell

[27:30 – 29:55]

The Captain reports Epstein had “so much linen and so many T-shirts and so many blankets” beyond what is standard.
- Standard issue is described as “one blanket, maybe two… two T-shirts, two boxers, two pairs of socks.”
  - Quote: “No, we’re taught to get you one blanket, maybe two… You get one, two…until you get two T-shirts, two boxers, two pairs of socks.” – Captain [28:37]
- Staff routinely look the other way, sometimes providing more at inmates’ request, often to avoid complaints.
  - Quote: “Because they don’t want to hear an inmate crying.” [29:49]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On possible cover-up:
“In my belief, yes, those documents were purposefully taken.” – Captain [01:12]
On widespread staff rumors:
“He was saying that he was having difficulties with the staff and his other peers because, you know, the appearance that he faked the injury…” – Captain [07:46]
On institutional failure:
“You start going through fine-tooth combing through documents… now you finding out that people are fudging documents and creating documents that or counting inmates that wasn't in the institution.” – Captain [10:54]
On cell assignment irregularity:
“After we went back and we started looking at the sentry paperwork and all that stuff, the inmate was not in the right cell for six days.” – Captain [22:13]
On policy violations and standard practice:
“Because they don't want to hear an inmate crying.” – Captain [29:49]

Timestamps for Important Segments

00:30 – Start of OIG interview transcript and discussion of missing file
01:12 – Captain surmises documents were “purposefully taken”
05:41 – Details on the lieutenant’s injury and staff rumors
10:54 – Captain reflects on systemic falsification of records
18:47 – Discussion on keys and physical control of SHU access
22:13 – Revelation Epstein was not in his assigned cell for nearly a week before his death
28:37 – Captain describes excessive linens and the culture of staff compliance
29:49 – “Because they don’t want to hear an inmate crying.”

Conclusion

This episode uncovers a troubling portrait of internal chaos, administrative lapses, and possibly intentional obfuscation within MCC during the critical days surrounding Epstein’s death. The testimony from the unnamed Captain, as discussed by Bobby Capucci, reveals a culture where records were poorly kept, procedures frequently ignored, and staff trust deeply eroded—planting seeds of continued controversy and suspicion about the circumstances of Epstein’s demise.

For all referenced documentation and more detail, listeners are encouraged to check the description box for this episode.

[End of Summary]

Transcript

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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right back in to the unnamed captain and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question and none of that was in there. Answer none of that was in there. Question and where is that file located? Answer it's supposed to be located in the oic, right here in the oic. Question when you say the oic, is that the shoe where the OIC sits? Answer yeah. Question and anyone could have had access to that? Answer yes. Question and had you ever seen that file before that time? Answer no. Question did you ever locate it after that time? Answer no. Question so it's likely that someone took documents out if they should have been in there and they're not in there. Is that so? Someone likely took things out? Answer yeah. Question who did it? But someone likely did. Answer in my belief, yes, those documents were purposefully taken. Question and can you think of a reason why they would have been taken? Answer I don't know, sir. Question all right, but you had never seen them before? Answer no, sir. Question and would that be he gets cut off by the captain? That wouldn't be my purview to go through to audit those files. Question okay, who would be the person to ask about that? Answer that would have been the lieutenant. Question so redacted? Answer Redacted or lieutenant Redacted? He would have been the one that would have audited the files. Question okay. Answer because they do the SROs. Question and did you ask him where the file was? Answer of course I called him. Question and what did he say? Answer he didn't know. He had no knowledge. Question all right, so he claimed he doesn't know anything about it. Did he ever say that he looked at the file before? Answer no. No. I don't remember him saying that. But when I called him that Saturday, because I had a conversation with redacted on that Saturday and that Sunday because he was supposed to come to work that Sunday. So once he found out about the situation with Epstein, because I had called him and I said, hey man, where is his inmate file? What are you talking about? I said, his shoe file is not up there. Xyz. So I informed him I of what happened Sunday. I get a call that he broke his leg and then redacted, was out for like six months. Question and did he really break his leg? Answer I wouldn't know. Question Is there any reason to believe or had you heard that he actually didn't? Answer again, he was supposed to be in that training like I said. Right. What do you call it when you go for reserve training? Yep. He was in military. Question Military training. Answer because of his military training. So he tells me they they're doing the PT that next day, which was Sunday. He broke his leg. Question did he ever provide any kind of documentation? Answer hmm. Question no. Answer hmm. He did provide something, but it was from a doctor. I mean and that was sent through. He provided documentation, but I can't, I don't, I'm not a doctor, so I can't tell you what it is and I'm not going to call the doctor to verify if that was the situation. But basically it said that he had a substantial leg injury that prevented him from coming to work. Question so have you had any conversations with him since? Answer oh, he came back. So then. So redacted went out in August through September, October, November, December, October. I think he came back either December or January. Question of 2019 of 2020. Question okay, so he came back and he went back up to the shoe as the OIC Question and ever in any conversation did you guys talk about this matter? I had discussed it with him on the phone twice and tell me about those discussions. Answer those discussions. So basically I asked him about the inmate file. I talked to him about it that Sunday. He alerted me that he was injured. When he came back, we had discussions that the staff when he would me and redacted were I go, I would say out of all the lieutenants me and redacted. We spoke a lot. I thought very highly of him. And he would talk and he was saying that he was having difficulties with the staff and his other peers because he, you know, the appearance that he faked the injury. Question oh, so there was a rumor. Answer and not to be part of what everybody else was going through during that Epstein situation. So he was getting it from the lieutenants and he was also getting it from the line staff. Question okay, so on him, is there anything that, you know, I Know he wasn't there those days, but if there's anything there that he did. Wrong answer. What? Redacted being wrong. I'm not going to say he did something wrong or purposeful, you know, to say that, you know, to cause the death of inmate Epstein. Of course not. I'm not going to say that. Question. Yeah, and I'm not asking that or saying that. I'm just saying he gets cut off. Answer. This is, in my opinion, in if I'm a third party, I'm a third party. And I'm going to be honest, if I'm a third party looking at this, somebody would say I'm wrong. They would say, you failed to supervise your staff, you should have been auditing all the paperwork, you should have been more responsive or you should have been more responsible and been in the unit more, you should have done more rounds, you should have did more training. You understand what I'm saying? Question. Sure. Answer. But guess what? That's not my purview as the captain security. I did this, this, this, that and the third. But everybody has a job to do in a prison. The officers have a job to count, maintain accountability for the inmate population. The lieutenants all oversee the staff and make sure they're doing their jobs right. And then ultimately me as the captain over the lieutenants, I have to reassure that they're doing their jobs right. But when you go back and you start going through fine tooth combing through documents that you thinking that, you know, your staff are doing the right thing and now you finding out that people are fudging documents and creating documents that or counting inmates that wasn't in the institution. Question well, in this instance it sounds like somebody removed files. Answer. And doing all of these things that after the fact, you're like, I can't believe this is happening. Question. So if somebody removed files, though I'm assuming if they're trying to cover something up, it would have happened like the 10th, the 9th or the 10th. Correct. Answer the 10th. As soon as they found out he passed away. Question. And well, did a lot of people have access to that room at that time? Answer. It was at the time it would have been. And it's not a room. You're talking about wherever this file was located. So when you come into the unit, you walk into the unit. Alright, this is a good transition. Alright. I believe that this is the map of the shoe, right? Can you tell me what we're looking at here? Where are the staff located and where would this file be? And then where Would Epstein's cell be if you know, My understanding is that his cell was the closest to them and approximately 15ft away. Answer Question. But that's without ever putting eyes on it. Answer Right. All right. Question. Aside from video. Answer. So the office. Birdcage office. I'm trying to figure out which one is the entrance into the unit. Question Speaking of entrances into the unit. My understanding is that there are two ways. Two doors that you've got to go through. One is in control. He gets cut off by the captain. Yeah. Investigator resumes his question Accesses. And then the interior is what the shoe staff. And how do they open it from the shoe staff? Answer by key. Question by key. Answer by key. Question and what's the key called? Is it a gay key? Answer It's a prison key. Question oh, just a prison key. It doesn't have a special name. Answer. Redacted phonetic spelling. Question Excuse me. Answer. It's a redacted key. It's a prison key. Question. But it's not like a special name that you call it in the shoe. Answer no, it's the OIA number one. Key Question okay, but. So they physically have to open in in order to get anyone in or out of the shoe. They physically have to open. He gets cut off by the captain after they open it. Question and there is only one way in and out. Answer Right. Question okay. Answer no, but I mean. Yeah. Yes, precisely. I'm trying to figure out, even if this is orientation of me looking at this is I'm trying to figure out because I know this is the. This is the first floor. Question. I'm assuming there's. He gets cut off by the captain. There's your stairs. So I'm trying to figure out this is L. Yeah, that's L. Then you've got J. So he was on L tier. Right? Question. Answer. So L tier. It wouldn't be like this. And then you would have had the officer station, which this would have been the officer station. And that's going to the officer station. There would have been a file cabinet. But because the desks go up around like this. So that file cabinet sat right behind the desk. So hopefully that's better orientation. And then the cell, I think it's LTR that Jeffrey Epstein was assigned to was 16. Question when you say assigned to answer or something like that. Question. It sounds like. Was he not in that cell? He wasn't in the right cell. He was not there. He was in a different cell than he was assigned. Didn't know that. No. Well, Tell me about this. So where. So is the first time that he was ever not in the right cell? He was not in the right cell, sir. After we went back and we started looking at the sentry paperwork and all that stuff, the inmate was not in the right cell for six days. Question so that means for six days he was in the wrong. Gets cut off by the captain. So basically he was assigned to this cell. He died in this cell. Question but for six days he was going to the wrong cell. So it wasn't like just the one day that he was found dead. Answer Right, so they had him quartered over here. But I. It was inmates already over there. And then. You understand what I'm saying? But he was found in this cell. Question I don't understand. When you say he gets cut off by the captain. Wait, let's point to the cell because I just want to get an idea, but I think it's L. I think he was found on ltr, right? Do you know that? Question that's my understanding. Yeah, that's my understanding too. Question ltr L tier. Again, I don't know the layout. There's got to be somewhere where it says it on this. Answer because that's G. Yeah, that's. It should be J and L. So when you come up the steps, I think this was supposed to be. That's his assignment, this cell over here. But he was found in one of these cells over here. Question now do you know why did you ask that question? Answer because what they were doing consistently is, is that they do cell rotation which is supposed to be done between every 30 days. They may have moved the inmates, but they weren't changing the PP34 transaction in Sentry. Question alright, so what, he gets cut off by the captain. So the inmates were moved, right? Physically. But the sentry paperwork would never be done. Question so he was supposed to be moved. They just didn't follow with what the necessary paperwork was. Answer no, he was in this cell. They must have moved him in sentry. They must have moved him. Right? But he. When the sentry assignment came up, it showed that he was still remained assigned to that cell instead of him being physically found in this cell. Question but what I'm saying is like it sounds like they were supposed to move him. They just never did the paperwork to say that he was moved. Answer Correct. Question okay, so it's not like, I mean, I guess they technically put him in the wrong cell, but because he wasn't technically assigned to that, but the move was supposed to happen they just didn't follow with the administrative part of it. Answer. Right. Question so aside from the administrative failure, is there any other suspicion about the fact that he wasn't in the assigned cell? Answer. It was. And also the suspicion was why did he have so much linen and so many T shirts and so many blankets? No, we're taught to get you one blanket, maybe two. You get one, two until you get two T shirts, two boxers, two pairs of socks. Question Was that question asked? I mean, did you ask like, hey, redacted or any of that shoe staff since then? Question. Answer. Of course. Question. And what did they say? Answer I mean, they're going to be like, I don't know, how would I know? Question who was responsible? Answer but you know what? That happens all the time, sir. Because I will tell you, I could clean out shoe, I've done it. And they could say, I've went up there physically. Supervisors going in there, cleaning out the shoe. I think I did it three or four times. Well, and then less than a week I could go back, do rounds and inmates got all the stuff back. Question who was responsible for giving it to them? And Answer the staff. Because the staff have the keys. Question. And they just say you need more. Here you go. Answer Here you go. Question well, would the staff do it or would the lieutenant do it? Answer I don't think the lieutenant would do it. Question. So he gets cut off again by the captain. It's more staff. Question. Okay. Answer. Because they don't want to hear an inmate crying. Alright folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.